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Hi, First let me say that I love this site and have learned massive amounts of stuff by reading and searching and the occasional question.
I have noticed lately that the number of people who have been members for 2 weeks and have 1700 posts is rapidly increasing. I also see a lot more posts like:
"yeah I think my bro had a progam like that once whre you had to move thing diffrnt LOL maybe LOL "
and
"yeah that would be so cool if someone could do that, too bad i don't know how to program LOL "
and surely a lot more posts getting jacked by flame-wars and outright trolls. I know that this is somewhat inevitable when a site like XDA offers so much. IT will get hugely popular and sooner or later the AOL'ers arrive and turn it to ****e. I really, really hope that doesn't happen to my favourite site...but it kind of feels like it's starting to go that way....is there anything to be done? Some kind of flag on people who get senior member status within 6 hours of joining? Some kind of age-verification system before allowing new members? Some kind of post-filtering algorithm that auto deletes any post with more than 5 smiley's and two LOL's in it??
Seriously though, maybe I'm being a jerk, but does anyone else notice this lately? Any thoughts?
Hello mlalahoi.
As you can see by the 'Join Date' on the top right of my post I have been here a while.
Yes this forum used to be different but it also used to be a lot smaller.
But word of unofficial WM upgrades, iPhone themes and free unlockers travels fast.
Combined with the growth in popularity of HTC it self and WM OS in general the number of users on this site has increased significantly in the past 1.5 years or so.
The administration of this site strives to keep it as free and accessible as it always was so instead of limiting user registration they increased the number of moderators to cope with the onslaught of junk posts that inevitably accompanies the increase in user base.
But we still can't catch every post, specially in general forums where there can be as many as 3 pages of new threads per day.
This is where you and other users who care about this site come in. In the top right corner of every post there is a '!' button.
You can use it to report posts that are offensive, wrong or plain SPAM. The moderators will get a notification with a link to the post and will take appropriate action.
Lets all keep the forum clean together!
thats a good point to be raised. one has to flip so many pages just to view some serious and productive comments.
help
why is it that i try to download but get an attachment.htm file that doesnt open but my desktop or where eve i save it
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why is it that i try to download but get an attachment.htm file that doesnt open but my desktop or where eve i save it
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Probably (a) you're either using a download manager (don't) or using 'save as' (don't) or (b) you've posted this question in the wrong thread by the way (i.e. it should have its own thread I think).
Disable any download managers. Free Download Manager is one that I use and makes this mistake on attachments if I let it.
Sorry for the semi-sarcasm - wasn't a genuine flame mate. Enjoy the attachments, very important part of the site.
(Oh, look - my posts just went up by one!! )
Hi mlalahoi i do agree i joind when i first got my hermesthanks to my teachcher showing me the wounders of XDA-Dev and I essecialy agree with the silly posts that flood xda....
XDA statuses are not something to flash off (even though i carnt wait to upgrade )
What i dont agree with is this:
mlalahoi said:
Some kind of age-verification system before allowing new members?
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Im not as old as others on this website but XDA has inspired me to try C+ programming everything...
I can agree that it is probibly the young population that causing the flood... but not all of us are alike!
Couldn't agree more with this thread. I am among those who might soon attract derision from some of you true 'senior' members. I recently joined and I am happy to say that all but 4 of my posts have been helping other members. Of the 4, 2 were questions and 2 were comments. But I would hardly say I am even close to being senior in my knowledge, yet here I am getting awfully close on post count alone.
But since I have joined and taken an active interest in the titan pages where a lot of work is going on at the moment, I have seen at least 10 ppl become senior members by asking dumb questions and making completely erroneous advice that in some cases could almost brick a device - all in name of their beloved post count.
For an interested novice (but definitely not a noob) like myself I would welcome a ranking system whereby you could see the seniority of a poster not by their post count but by their reputation for actually helping others or doing useful development.
At ppcgeeks they have a system whereby you can vote for ('rep') a post or poster to indicate if it was useful or just drivel. This way you have a more democratic system than just relying on the poor overworked moderators to do the filtering. These 'rep' votes increase your reputation as a useful poster.
It's very unlikely this system could be abused because you can't 'rep' yourself. This would really weed out the trolls.
Rank a post, Rank a poster
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. . . I would welcome a ranking system whereby you could see the seniority of a poster not by their post count but by their reputation for actually helping others or doing useful development.
At ppcgeeks they have a system whereby you can vote for ('rep') a post or poster to indicate if it was useful or just drivel. This way you have a more democratic system than just relying on the poor overworked moderators to do the filtering. These 'rep' votes increase your reputation as a useful poster.
It's very unlikely this system could be abused because you can't 'rep' yourself. This would really weed out the trolls.
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This seems like a great idea! I wonder if this forum's software has this feature available . . . ?
Edit: I just checked out the ppcgeeks forums - another nice feature is Multiquote - really slick way to respond to 2 or more posts at once, rather than having to cut and paste like here.
PLEASE put a limit (# of characters, # of lines - whatever!) on signatures, and while you're at it, limit the size of images embedded in signatures.
Some (many) posts are oneliners, followed by 20 lines of signature accompanied by some huge animated GIF.
Cheers!
/Mats
There is already a limit for signatures
And everybody is free to use it at their own discretion
Of course! there is... and I feel fine cause everybody is interested on fill it with Information about their device and current OS it helps to void unnecesarry posts asking whats your device?... are u unlocked?... wich Rom are you using? and some crap that wast space here...
My signature exceed the limit thats why I insert an image and a link to an external resource to my Job...
Think about it man.... BTW is this thread necessary? MODS hehehe
See ya!
ZilverZurfarn said:
PLEASE put a limit (# of characters, # of lines - whatever!) on signatures, and while you're at it, limit the size of images embedded in signatures.
Some (many) posts are oneliners, followed by 20 lines of signature accompanied by some huge animated GIF.
Cheers!
/Mats
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Examples please !!!!!!!.....................which signatures are particularly offensive to you. ( obnoxious to the point that it is necessary to start a new thread about it ) or are we just mimicking the current climate over at ppcgeeks, where the animated sigs were really getting out of hand.
I vote for a contest for the most obnoxious signature. It has to be one that already exists, no making up sigs for the contest.
Just an observation - Not trying to be obnoxious. But one line of message and 10 lines of signature looks silly, regardless of how informative the sig may be.
When we're at the subject of huge animated gifs, there's one Mikey1022 who I think wins the competition hands down.
If you find this subject uncalled for, please feel free to delete this thread.
/Mats
http://keyboardcowboy.ca/mirror/linkinpark/ It's an archive of the Linkin park forums from ~2002, Arcsim's sig wins the contest for sure (the entire book of genesis).
Dave
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
http://keyboardcowboy.ca/mirror/linkinpark/ It's an archive of the Linkin park forums from ~2002, Arcsim's sig wins the contest for sure (the entire book of genesis).
Dave
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Now that is an excesssive signature.
Good shout on silly sizes of signature but my pet peeve is people quoting a MASSIVE first post on a thread and just adding "Really?" or "How does this work?" or something..
Am i included?
Most people with big sigs are contributers and already there is a limit
Just checked Arcsim's oh that would do my head in
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
http://keyboardcowboy.ca/mirror/linkinpark/ It's an archive of the Linkin park forums from ~2002, Arcsim's sig wins the contest for sure (the entire book of genesis).
Dave
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i cried my eye sockets out hahhahhahha
and for those big signatures..i agree with ZilverZurfarn...there really are too big signatures out there.....
denco....you wanted an example?....look for the 2. post in this thread orb wrote 2 lines and his signature is surely about 20...
but what the hell...they don't bother me....
heheheh...the whole genesis ehhehehehe
Are animated gifs allowed in sig? I tried to load one and it wouldn't let me saying animated gifs were not allowed. But I have seen others with them. They are senior members. Same category as me.
85gallon said:
Are animated gifs allowed in sig? I tried to load one and it wouldn't let me saying animated gifs were not allowed. But I have seen others with them. They are senior members. Same category as me.
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Yup they are allowed, but they are not supposed to be uploaded attachment. If you us a image hosting service you can hotlink to the animated image and that's how everyone has one.
Grassy ass!
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There is already a limit for signatures
And everybody is free to use it at their own discretion
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I have only seen a few users that had 3 sig pics and also would take up half a page... Not many folks do it tho...
cav sioyea
Think LP ones is crazy. Idiot.
Similar to "Thanks" button, please add "Unhelpful" or "Dislike" button
Some forums on here have grown out of control with nonsense and useless posts and it is too much and even unnecessary work sometimes, for mods to have to deal with. The thousands of users that read these posts daily are perfectly capable of judging these posts and should be able to + or - a post based on its usefulness. This +/- button could be attached to every post similar to the way the "Thanks" button is. It wouldn't require every post to be +'ed or -'ed, but usually the REALLY HELPFUL posts would be +'ed (similar to being thanked) and the real BS posts would be ranked down. Simple.
People who don't bother to read or search first before posting something are an annoyance for many in this community.. and posting stickies at the top of every page titled "PLEASE READ FIRST" or anything similar just doesn't work. Users then "flame" one another, and that doesn't help in correcting the problem either. Additionally, the mods shouldn't have to be monitoring posts like they would a kindergarten class.
Allowing users to simply rate posts with a +/- like on many other sites, would improve the visibility of helpful posts on this forum greatly, while allowing nonsense posts to be hidden. When a posts receives an overwhelming number of -'s as opposed to +'s, that post will be automatically hidden so that other users may ignore it. There is already a "Thanks" button to thank users for being helpful; I think it's unrealistic to not include a way to flag unhelpful posts as well since there are just as many of those. (These aren't always derogatory or negative posts that SHOULD be reported to mods, but instead just wasteful and nonsense posts that add nothing informative to a thread).
Yes, this is a community where we are all here to help each other. In reality though, some users just don't care about anything except what they're here for and end up cluttering the forums with questions that have been answered several times before, or posting in wrong sections, etc . Those posts should be able to be flagged or ranked down by us users (this can be limited to even junior/ senior members for those worried of abuse in such a system, which is really not a threat at all [I explain in a post further down]). Please consider this improvement.
Thoughts?
Love it.
TechReport.com does a similar thing, and if you get five downvotes the post isn't automatically displayed.
Would streamline the site immensely, although I have a sneaky feeling something along these lines may well be implemented in the future.
This would cause so many problems too... All it would take is a few pissed off kids to downrank a helpful/brutally honest/ROM post into oblivion.
I think the way it is is fine, Although I wish they had a "Report as Trolling" button so we could send those ****ers into space somewhere...
posts like this
Not at all. If other users see a post getting downranked and they think it shouldn't be, they can just + it and if the overall community thinks the post shouldn't be downranked, enough people will + it to unhide the post. You sound like you have no faith in the community to do something right. It is such a large community that it will take a large number of posters to downrank something. And the general consensus about the post will eventually trump inappropriate downranks. It's so simple but difficult to explain. Also, this wouldn't require every post to be ranked. It's just there as an option.
Check out some androidandme posts for example. It works wonderfully on there.
IISiDeK1CKII said:
This would cause so many problems too... All it would take is a few pissed off kids to downrank a helpful/brutally honest/ROM post into oblivion.
I think the way it is is fine, Although I wish they had a "Report as Trolling" button so we could send those ****ers into space somewhere...
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Good point Sidekick (Hi btw ) but I do think this would occur much less frequently than the opposite (ranking down trollers and threadcrappers, myself included )
Also, 'sensible users' could easily just rank it back up.
^^ Exactly. It's already a system in place on many sites, and it's obviously used because it works.
I'm in for this. We all know XDA has grown too fast for moderation to keep up. Let the users help out.
This is definitely a really good idea, it would bring up the quality of posts especially on the development related threads. +1 from me
Aspeds2989 said:
Some forums on here have grown out of control with nonsense and useless posts.
The issue of lazy people who don't bother to read or search before posting something annoys a lot of people in this community.. and posting stickies at the top of every page titled "PLEASE READ FIRST" or anything similar just doesn't work. Users flaming one another doesn't help in correcting the problem either. The mods also have enough on their hands to have to worry about monitoring and deleting and moving wrongfully placed posts.
So, in an effort to better the experience for everyone, why not allow users to simply rate posts with a +/- like on many other sites. When a posts receives an overwhelming number of negatives, that post will be automatically hidden (check androidandme.com for example).
I think this will be a more effective and simple way for the community to keep tabs on itself. There is already a "Thanks" button to thank users for helping one another. I think it's unrealistic to not include a way for users to rank down unhelpful posts as well. The report button just unnecessarily pushes more work onto the mods.
Yes, this is a community where we are all here to help each other. In reality though, some users just don't care about anything except what they're here for and add nothing positive to the community. Those posts should be able to be ranked down by us users.
Thoughts?
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How about a [Solved Button]? For those Damn threads you read about a Million Replies to just to find out Help is No Longer Needed!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178716
PMGRANDS said:
How about a [Solved Button]? For those Damn threads you read about a Million Replies to just to find out Help is No Longer Needed!
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There is actually another thread about this in here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178716
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There is actually another thread about this in here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178716
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I know... Sorry!
I actually Started the other thread!
Lol, just trying to Promote the Idea!
Yea.. I didn't think anyone would listen either :-! Oh, well. I tried.
Preach it! This system would be extremely helpful for everyone, especially since there is alot of cluttering going on.
Ehh.. I think writing an essay was enough for me. If people like this maybe they can just keep bumping it until it catches attention.
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Ehh.. I think writing an essay was enough for me. If people like this maybe they can just keep bumping it until it catches attention.
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I Hear that... I Feel the Same way as you do with my Idea! I actually thought I'd have a lot More comments than I have in my thread. But oh well... Lol!
meeeowww..
Potential for abuse = Huuuge...
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face......
Realistic threat of abuse = Non-existent
Again, I refer to a site like Yahoo that uses this in their comments section that sees multiple times the amount of traffic than does this site and.. EDIT - nevermind
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Realistic threat of abuse = Non-existent
Again, I refer to a site like Yahoo that uses this in their comments section that sees multiple times the amount of traffic than does this site and.. EDIT - nevermind
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First off, I apologise, I did not pay attention and therefore my last post was irrelevant, allow me to respond properly....
Also, I hope that you didnt decide to edit your post because you noticed I was a mod, contrary to popular belief, users DO NOT receive bans/infractions for speaking their minds
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People who don't bother to read or search first before posting something are an annoyance for many in this community.. and posting stickies at the top of every page titled "PLEASE READ FIRST" or anything similar just doesn't work. Users then "flame" one another, and that doesn't help in correcting the problem either. Additionally, the mods shouldn't have to be monitoring posts like they would a kindergarten class.
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Couldnt agree more....
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That is why allowing users to simply rate posts with a +/- like on many other sites, would improve the quality of posts on this forum greatly. When a posts receives an overwhelming number of negatives, that post will be automatically hidden so that other users are aware and may ignore it (check androidandme.com or any Yahoo news articles for examples). I think this will be a more effective and simple way for the community to keep tabs on itself. There is already a "Thanks" button to thank users for helping one another. I think it's unrealistic to not include a way for users to rank down unhelpful or even negative posts as well. It's like not wanting to acknowledge the fact that there are a lot of nonsense posts throughout the forums. And the report button just unnecessarily pushes more work onto the mods and the majority ignores it, so it's not effective.
Yes, this is a community where we are all here to help each other. In reality though, some users just don't care about anything except what they're here for and add nothing positive to the community, and end up cluttering the forums with questions that have been answered several times before, or posting in wrong sections, etc . Those posts should be able to be flagged or ranked down by the community. Please consider this improvement.
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Im not sure if this is possible with the version of VB that XDA uses. It probably is but then there is always the possibility that it may not work smoothly due to the existing amount of tweaks to the system that are already in place.
The problem you describe is due to the "gimme gimme gimme" mentality of the current userbase and we are currently taking steps to address this.
In the meantime please alert us to any such posts and we can remove duplicates and tag items as [SOLVED]. We dont mind doing it if people are willing to let us know that it needs to be done.
IISiDeK1CKII said:
This would cause so many problems too... All it would take is a few pissed off kids to downrank a helpful/brutally honest/ROM post into oblivion.
I think the way it is is fine, Although I wish they had a "Report as Trolling" button so we could send those ****ers into space somewhere...
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It could be an issue, there will always be a certain "fanboi" mentality that would be inclined to abuse such a system. Some of the developers can be quite blunt (and rightly so) when it comes to people asking dumbass questions in a thread, I would hate to see for threads to be tarnished with downvotes (even if it is just one) all because some asshat wasnt happy about receiving a public dressing down.
There is already a Report button... Use it, we dont like trolls, they will be promptly escorted off the premises.
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Not at all. If other users see a post getting downranked and they think it shouldn't be, they can just + it and if the overall community thinks the post shouldn't be downranked, enough people will + it to unhide the post. You sound like you have no faith in the community to do something right. It is such a large community that it will take a large number of posters to downrank something. And the general consensus about the post will eventually trump inappropriate downranks. It's so simple but difficult to explain. Also, this wouldn't require every post to be ranked. It's just there as an option.
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As much as I hate to say it, I have to agree with the bold part at the moment.
I think that too much of the current userbase just want the easy option and want it now.
I think that we would need to adress the issue of discipline and improving the content of posts before we could implement a system like this, we are currently doing this but it will take time.
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I'm in for this. We all know XDA has grown too fast for moderation to keep up. Let the users help out.
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If you want to help, drop us a PM when you see something that needs attention or use the report button.
I think its unfair to say that XDA has grown too fast for the mods to keep up, we have a highly dedicated and hard working team of many moderators who give up their free time to keep this place running. New moderator applications are being processed at the moment as well, so expect to see a few more jackbooted, goosestepping, uptight internet rent-a-cops strutting around sometime soon.
The problem lies not with the amount of users we have to deal with, it is the amount of stupidity and ignorance displayed by some (too many) of them.
I guess that is going to come off as a pretty negative post but I am not against such an idea, I just think there are more pressing matters to attend to first.
If you havent already done so I suggest you read the forum announcement by Svetius outlining the roadmap for the site.
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At present XDA has no rules governing signatures except where the are offensive but I personally feel some signatures are just far too long/tall. I have a 1600 x 900 resolution monitor and have just seen a post where the post was only two lines but the signature then took up nearly all of the rest of the monitors vertical space. I know I can hide signatures when I am viewing the forum but I'd rather not since some contain useful links such as to other roms or kernels I may want to try.
Would some mild restrictions be asking to much?
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At present XDA has no rules governing signatures except where the are offensive but I personally feel some signatures are just far too long/tall. I have a 1600 x 900 resolution monitor and have just seen a post where the post was only two lines but the signature then took up nearly all of the rest of the monitors vertical space. I know I can hide signatures when I am viewing the forum but I'd rather not since some contain useful links such as to other roms or kernels I may want to try.
Would some mild restrictions be asking to much?
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We already have restrictions of 1000 characters, of which 500 can be nonBB chars. If you see a specific one that you would like to report, feel free to click on the little triangle in the upper right hand corner of the post and a mod will look into it. Also, there are other rules such as promoting other sites, or selling stuff are not allowed.
If I can jump in here for a second, there is an excellent option regarding signatures here on the Forum.
Use the Unofficial XDA Toolbar. It's a browser plugin that allows you to set all images in posts to a maximum size, toggle all signatures on or off, and jump back to the top of a page. Please throw a 'thanks' to FSM 'Archer' when you see him around, as this is his work.
The toolbar also allows you to use a toggle setting, to hide individual obscene/oversized signatures on a user-by-user basis, so you don't have to hide them all - just the annoying ones.
TBH this has improved my XDA experience 1000-fold. Just the 'jump to top' button alone is worth having. If you use XDA a lot and your browser doesn't support it, it's worth a browser upgrade. Believe me
Hope this helps you out!
If you see a huuuge sig then pm a mod and we will consider asking the person to resize it.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
Yeah I've already reported the one in question.
I'm glad someone brought this up because I have seen some ridiculous signatures myself.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA
Talking about ridiculously long signatures... I will change this
Edit. Have made it shorter than usual... 6 phones less
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At present XDA has no rules governing signatures except where the are offensive but I personally feel some signatures are just far too long/tall. I have a 1600 x 900 resolution monitor and have just seen a post where the post was only two lines but the signature then took up nearly all of the rest of the monitors vertical space. I know I can hide signatures when I am viewing the forum but I'd rather not since some contain useful links such as to other roms or kernels I may want to try.
Would some mild restrictions be asking to much?
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I get what you mean, but as a users signature is limited to 1000 characters.
HOWEVER if they have a really big image, then i agree with you, as that is annoying having to scroll down so much just to see the next post. So i think they should be restricted to a certain image size in there sig.
So i totally agree with you
Sometimes you see these humongous signatures which fills up your screen and makes you have to scroll down to read the next post.This is not only annoying,but also wastes your bandwidth sometimes as they have multiple number of images.I made this thread to provide an easy way for all of you to report them.
I hope this thread will gain official recognition by xda and will help reduce the number of humongous sigs that we see nowadays
P.S.Thread was a.cid's idea,I just made it.
You mean like that one? ^^^^^^^^^
Prawesome said:
Sometimes you see these humongous signatures which fills up your screen and makes you have to scroll down to read the next post.This is not only annoying,but also wastes your bandwidth sometimes as they have multiple number of images.I made this thread to provide an easy way for all of you to report them.
I hope this thread will gain official recognition by xda and will help reduce the number of humongous sigs that we see nowadays
P.S.Thread was a.cid's idea,I just made it.
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You mean like that one? ^^^^^^^^^
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Couldn't have seen that one coming
I think it would probably be more appropriate to click on the report button when encountering such a signature. You could set examples by posting your sig code here: Share Your Sig Code Please
You could also encourage people to use [floatleft] [/floatleft] and [floatright] [/floatright] in their sigs to compress them a bit by better utilizing the width of the screen instead of 'stacking' signature elements.
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Couldn't have seen that one coming
I think it would probably be more appropriate to click on the report button when encountering such a signature.
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There's no reason this thread wouldn't be allowed to be here, right?
Obviously the only downside would be incase a mentioned user notices it and doesn't like it, but it's the same with the spam users thread.
Just my 2 cents xD
On-topic - I generally won't notice many with huge sigs due to mainly using the app, but I'll try my best to remember this thread when relevant
''Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver''
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There's no reason this thread wouldn't be allowed to be here, right?
Obviously the only downside would be incase a mentioned user notices it and doesn't like it, but it's the same with the spam users thread.
Just my 2 cents xD
On-topic - I generally won't notice many with huge sigs due to mainly using the app, but I'll try my best to remember this thread when relevant
''Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver''
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Not up to me as it isn't my forum.
I know what you mean though, less people using the website now and more using the app.
While I like the sentiments behind this thread, perhaps rather than a 'name and shame' style list (at this stage), just reporting those users with massive, oversized, ridiculous signatures would be best :highfive:
That way we can action them quickly and directly :good:
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