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I have noticed that there is a large amount of double posting & people simply not following the rules in this section. There is like one moderator for that section & he is a developer, and of course spending his time on that, all of the rest are retired.. We need more mods there (At least two of them)
So please add a some mods there, I would even be more then happy helping out. It is just needed..
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I have noticed that there is a large amount of double posting & people simply not following the rules in this section. There is like one moderator for that section & he is a developer, and of course spending his time on that, all of the rest are retired.. We need more mods there (At least two of them)
So please add a some mods there, I would even be more then happy helping out. It is just needed..
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completely agree. having to fish through 20 pages of arguing and name calling is becoming slightly obtrusive. I would also be willing to help out
Thanks for pointing this out, can you please help us by reporting these posts by clicking on the "!" this will alert other moderators to take action.
Thanks again,
Mr. Clown
Flagged this one for discussion with the mods.
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completely agree. having to fish through 20 pages of arguing and name calling is becoming slightly....
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I'm SO glad someone is doing something about this! Thank you.
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willcwells said:
I'm SO glad someone is doing something about this! Thank you.
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Pulser has brought the issue to our attention, and I can assure that within a week or so there will be significant improvement.
@All: As the clown said, please use the Report Post option for threads that need to be dealt with. All Senior and Forum mods are notified when reports come in, so someone will act swiftly.
Just so everybody knows...I started moderating this forum a week ago...and I am doing my best to keep up with things...and I would say I am doing a pretty good job so far.
I agree with the OP things are bad right now but we are working to change that.
If you want to help send me a PM with anything you see that I can help with.
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Just so everybody knows...I started moderating this forum a week ago...and I am doing my best to keep up with things...and I would say I am doing a pretty good job so far.
I agree with the OP things are bad right now but we are working to change that.
If you want to help send me a PM with anything you see that I can help with.
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Yeah I'm just saying there are a ton of people in that one section.. And your basically the only one because the other is a dev.. I just don't think 1 mod can handle all that, because like you said.. It is pretty bad
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Yeah I'm just saying there are a ton of people in that one section.. And your basically the only one because the other is a dev.. I just don't think 1 mod can handle all that, because like you said.. It is pretty bad
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I will be going into the vibrant forum now as well, to help out where possible in the clean-up operation
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I will be going into the vibrant forum now as well, to help out where possible in the clean-up operation
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Okay, Thanks!
I tried to PM mikechannon about the issue that is still occurring on the Vibrant forums.
Instead of it getting better, it seems to be getting worse..
"There is constant flaming/off topic going on there. I have posted about this issue before, and the MOD's just said to report those post.
Even though I have been reporting those post that contain cursing/advertising/off topic/spam/etc they some how don't seem to get moderated.
In some threads there have been several "Clean Up's" yet there still seems to be flaming & off topic.. Once again :/
I know there is one moderator that is for that section specifically (Krook6023) and there is sometimes another moderator that comes around, I can't think of his name at the moment.."
Is there any more we can do?
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I tried to PM mikechannon about the issue that is still occurring on the Vibrant forums.
Instead of it getting better, it seems to be getting worse..
"There is constant flaming/off topic going on there. I have posted about this issue before, and the MOD's just said to report those post.
Even though I have been reporting those post that contain cursing/advertising/off topic/spam/etc they some how don't seem to get moderated.
In some threads there have been several "Clean Up's" yet there still seems to be flaming & off topic.. Once again :/
I know there is one moderator that is for that section specifically (Krook6023) and there is sometimes another moderator that comes around, I can't think of his name at the moment.."
Is there any more we can do?
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The latest Android sections are a mess, plain and simple. The sheer number of users with Galaxy devices in general is a lot. We have many mods scattered throughout the site who are not online 24/7, so if we don't catch something, simply report it and be patient. We cannot stop the flaming from happening, but we do our best.
We see all Reported Posts, no exceptions but we evaluate the severity and act based on it.
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The latest Android sections are a mess, plain and simple. The sheer number of users with Galaxy devices in general is a lot. We have many mods scattered throughout the site who are not online 24/7, so if we don't catch something, simply report it and be patient. We cannot stop the flaming from happening, but we do our best.
We see all Reported Posts, no exceptions but we evaluate the severity and act based on it.
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My question is why not to open moderator applications for those sections?
I see stuff in there that I reported last week, and is still there.
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My question is why not to open moderator applications for those sections?
I see stuff in there that I reported last week, and is still there.
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Can you point me to it? I don't see anything reported by you in the Reported Posts. As for the applications, they are closed at the moment and we do have mod(s) in that forum: 1 full time (krook as you mentioned earlier), as well as me, and a couple of others who swing by every so often.
Well one problem is we can't really report threads within the app
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I have another tab open, I am going through all the things I reported..
Right now I have 11
But the search function closed, so I will wait for 10 minutes
I have offered to Mike to be CoMod of the fora. Hopefully I will be able to clear up issues you guys have been having in coordination with Krook
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Can you point me to it? I don't see anything reported by you in the Reported Posts. As for the applications, they are closed at the moment and we do have mod(s) in that forum: 1 full time (krook as you mentioned earlier), as well as me, and a couple of others who swing by every so often.
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Flaming/Language:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8818168&postcount=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8609894&postcount=11
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8443643&postcount=24
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8445059&postcount=28
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8916560&postcount=10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8558127&postcount=10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8007080&postcount=8
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8860408&postcount=29
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8602177&postcount=17
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8605661&postcount=29
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8753377&postcount=30
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8008585&postcount=18
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8008972&postcount=21
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8009632&postcount=24
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8293273&postcount=3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8293557&postcount=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8308154&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8318862&postcount=18
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7876315&postcount=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8962431&postcount=768
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8887289&postcount=110
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8851999&postcount=44
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8577161&postcount=13
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8248888&postcount=5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8961973&postcount=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8948492&postcount=3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8902506&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8830399&postcount=23
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8962535&postcount=769
Off Topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8916762&postcount=16
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8781120&postcount=9
That is just a scratch off the top.
And not to offend you.. But even if there are MODs in that forum, we still need more. If there is still constant flaming/off topic, then isn't that a hint to get more mods?
Why not make master vibrant mod?
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Alex530 said:
Why not make master vibrant mod?
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I wouldn't mind helping out..
Similar to "Thanks" button, please add "Unhelpful" or "Dislike" button
Some forums on here have grown out of control with nonsense and useless posts and it is too much and even unnecessary work sometimes, for mods to have to deal with. The thousands of users that read these posts daily are perfectly capable of judging these posts and should be able to + or - a post based on its usefulness. This +/- button could be attached to every post similar to the way the "Thanks" button is. It wouldn't require every post to be +'ed or -'ed, but usually the REALLY HELPFUL posts would be +'ed (similar to being thanked) and the real BS posts would be ranked down. Simple.
People who don't bother to read or search first before posting something are an annoyance for many in this community.. and posting stickies at the top of every page titled "PLEASE READ FIRST" or anything similar just doesn't work. Users then "flame" one another, and that doesn't help in correcting the problem either. Additionally, the mods shouldn't have to be monitoring posts like they would a kindergarten class.
Allowing users to simply rate posts with a +/- like on many other sites, would improve the visibility of helpful posts on this forum greatly, while allowing nonsense posts to be hidden. When a posts receives an overwhelming number of -'s as opposed to +'s, that post will be automatically hidden so that other users may ignore it. There is already a "Thanks" button to thank users for being helpful; I think it's unrealistic to not include a way to flag unhelpful posts as well since there are just as many of those. (These aren't always derogatory or negative posts that SHOULD be reported to mods, but instead just wasteful and nonsense posts that add nothing informative to a thread).
Yes, this is a community where we are all here to help each other. In reality though, some users just don't care about anything except what they're here for and end up cluttering the forums with questions that have been answered several times before, or posting in wrong sections, etc . Those posts should be able to be flagged or ranked down by us users (this can be limited to even junior/ senior members for those worried of abuse in such a system, which is really not a threat at all [I explain in a post further down]). Please consider this improvement.
Thoughts?
Love it.
TechReport.com does a similar thing, and if you get five downvotes the post isn't automatically displayed.
Would streamline the site immensely, although I have a sneaky feeling something along these lines may well be implemented in the future.
This would cause so many problems too... All it would take is a few pissed off kids to downrank a helpful/brutally honest/ROM post into oblivion.
I think the way it is is fine, Although I wish they had a "Report as Trolling" button so we could send those ****ers into space somewhere...
posts like this
Not at all. If other users see a post getting downranked and they think it shouldn't be, they can just + it and if the overall community thinks the post shouldn't be downranked, enough people will + it to unhide the post. You sound like you have no faith in the community to do something right. It is such a large community that it will take a large number of posters to downrank something. And the general consensus about the post will eventually trump inappropriate downranks. It's so simple but difficult to explain. Also, this wouldn't require every post to be ranked. It's just there as an option.
Check out some androidandme posts for example. It works wonderfully on there.
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This would cause so many problems too... All it would take is a few pissed off kids to downrank a helpful/brutally honest/ROM post into oblivion.
I think the way it is is fine, Although I wish they had a "Report as Trolling" button so we could send those ****ers into space somewhere...
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Good point Sidekick (Hi btw ) but I do think this would occur much less frequently than the opposite (ranking down trollers and threadcrappers, myself included )
Also, 'sensible users' could easily just rank it back up.
^^ Exactly. It's already a system in place on many sites, and it's obviously used because it works.
I'm in for this. We all know XDA has grown too fast for moderation to keep up. Let the users help out.
This is definitely a really good idea, it would bring up the quality of posts especially on the development related threads. +1 from me
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Some forums on here have grown out of control with nonsense and useless posts.
The issue of lazy people who don't bother to read or search before posting something annoys a lot of people in this community.. and posting stickies at the top of every page titled "PLEASE READ FIRST" or anything similar just doesn't work. Users flaming one another doesn't help in correcting the problem either. The mods also have enough on their hands to have to worry about monitoring and deleting and moving wrongfully placed posts.
So, in an effort to better the experience for everyone, why not allow users to simply rate posts with a +/- like on many other sites. When a posts receives an overwhelming number of negatives, that post will be automatically hidden (check androidandme.com for example).
I think this will be a more effective and simple way for the community to keep tabs on itself. There is already a "Thanks" button to thank users for helping one another. I think it's unrealistic to not include a way for users to rank down unhelpful posts as well. The report button just unnecessarily pushes more work onto the mods.
Yes, this is a community where we are all here to help each other. In reality though, some users just don't care about anything except what they're here for and add nothing positive to the community. Those posts should be able to be ranked down by us users.
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How about a [Solved Button]? For those Damn threads you read about a Million Replies to just to find out Help is No Longer Needed!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178716
PMGRANDS said:
How about a [Solved Button]? For those Damn threads you read about a Million Replies to just to find out Help is No Longer Needed!
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There is actually another thread about this in here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178716
Unksi said:
There is actually another thread about this in here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178716
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I know... Sorry!
I actually Started the other thread!
Lol, just trying to Promote the Idea!
Yea.. I didn't think anyone would listen either :-! Oh, well. I tried.
Preach it! This system would be extremely helpful for everyone, especially since there is alot of cluttering going on.
Ehh.. I think writing an essay was enough for me. If people like this maybe they can just keep bumping it until it catches attention.
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Ehh.. I think writing an essay was enough for me. If people like this maybe they can just keep bumping it until it catches attention.
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I Hear that... I Feel the Same way as you do with my Idea! I actually thought I'd have a lot More comments than I have in my thread. But oh well... Lol!
meeeowww..
Potential for abuse = Huuuge...
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face......
Realistic threat of abuse = Non-existent
Again, I refer to a site like Yahoo that uses this in their comments section that sees multiple times the amount of traffic than does this site and.. EDIT - nevermind
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Realistic threat of abuse = Non-existent
Again, I refer to a site like Yahoo that uses this in their comments section that sees multiple times the amount of traffic than does this site and.. EDIT - nevermind
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First off, I apologise, I did not pay attention and therefore my last post was irrelevant, allow me to respond properly....
Also, I hope that you didnt decide to edit your post because you noticed I was a mod, contrary to popular belief, users DO NOT receive bans/infractions for speaking their minds
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People who don't bother to read or search first before posting something are an annoyance for many in this community.. and posting stickies at the top of every page titled "PLEASE READ FIRST" or anything similar just doesn't work. Users then "flame" one another, and that doesn't help in correcting the problem either. Additionally, the mods shouldn't have to be monitoring posts like they would a kindergarten class.
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Couldnt agree more....
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That is why allowing users to simply rate posts with a +/- like on many other sites, would improve the quality of posts on this forum greatly. When a posts receives an overwhelming number of negatives, that post will be automatically hidden so that other users are aware and may ignore it (check androidandme.com or any Yahoo news articles for examples). I think this will be a more effective and simple way for the community to keep tabs on itself. There is already a "Thanks" button to thank users for helping one another. I think it's unrealistic to not include a way for users to rank down unhelpful or even negative posts as well. It's like not wanting to acknowledge the fact that there are a lot of nonsense posts throughout the forums. And the report button just unnecessarily pushes more work onto the mods and the majority ignores it, so it's not effective.
Yes, this is a community where we are all here to help each other. In reality though, some users just don't care about anything except what they're here for and add nothing positive to the community, and end up cluttering the forums with questions that have been answered several times before, or posting in wrong sections, etc . Those posts should be able to be flagged or ranked down by the community. Please consider this improvement.
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Im not sure if this is possible with the version of VB that XDA uses. It probably is but then there is always the possibility that it may not work smoothly due to the existing amount of tweaks to the system that are already in place.
The problem you describe is due to the "gimme gimme gimme" mentality of the current userbase and we are currently taking steps to address this.
In the meantime please alert us to any such posts and we can remove duplicates and tag items as [SOLVED]. We dont mind doing it if people are willing to let us know that it needs to be done.
IISiDeK1CKII said:
This would cause so many problems too... All it would take is a few pissed off kids to downrank a helpful/brutally honest/ROM post into oblivion.
I think the way it is is fine, Although I wish they had a "Report as Trolling" button so we could send those ****ers into space somewhere...
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It could be an issue, there will always be a certain "fanboi" mentality that would be inclined to abuse such a system. Some of the developers can be quite blunt (and rightly so) when it comes to people asking dumbass questions in a thread, I would hate to see for threads to be tarnished with downvotes (even if it is just one) all because some asshat wasnt happy about receiving a public dressing down.
There is already a Report button... Use it, we dont like trolls, they will be promptly escorted off the premises.
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Not at all. If other users see a post getting downranked and they think it shouldn't be, they can just + it and if the overall community thinks the post shouldn't be downranked, enough people will + it to unhide the post. You sound like you have no faith in the community to do something right. It is such a large community that it will take a large number of posters to downrank something. And the general consensus about the post will eventually trump inappropriate downranks. It's so simple but difficult to explain. Also, this wouldn't require every post to be ranked. It's just there as an option.
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As much as I hate to say it, I have to agree with the bold part at the moment.
I think that too much of the current userbase just want the easy option and want it now.
I think that we would need to adress the issue of discipline and improving the content of posts before we could implement a system like this, we are currently doing this but it will take time.
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I'm in for this. We all know XDA has grown too fast for moderation to keep up. Let the users help out.
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If you want to help, drop us a PM when you see something that needs attention or use the report button.
I think its unfair to say that XDA has grown too fast for the mods to keep up, we have a highly dedicated and hard working team of many moderators who give up their free time to keep this place running. New moderator applications are being processed at the moment as well, so expect to see a few more jackbooted, goosestepping, uptight internet rent-a-cops strutting around sometime soon.
The problem lies not with the amount of users we have to deal with, it is the amount of stupidity and ignorance displayed by some (too many) of them.
I guess that is going to come off as a pretty negative post but I am not against such an idea, I just think there are more pressing matters to attend to first.
If you havent already done so I suggest you read the forum announcement by Svetius outlining the roadmap for the site.
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There is something really common on xda that make it annoying to read topics and create huge topics with tons or pages, it's the members useless posts.
Usually a dev post a new hack/rom/kernel etc...
And some member post to say thanks instead of using the thanks button
Others complain about something not working even if the OP said it wouldn't work
And then you have the members that answer to the one complaining that he has to learn to read but instead of having one member saying this there is always like 5 members doing it
So I'm requesting a down vote or something similar that would hide or delete the usless posts in a thread to make it smaller and easier to read and could help lighten the xda database
Thanks!
(just kidding)
This needs to be seriously considered by the mods - will make life better for all of us.
would be nice if goes to happen
that is a great idea.
i guess we can say thanks here
Not exactly what you are looking for, but we added an easy way to obscure posts by folk on your ignore list. So, if there are one or two posters in a thread that are generating lots of useless posts in your view, click their name and choose to add them to your ignore list.
The ability to minimize or in other ways hide post with less information (e.g. post of people saying thanks, or posts with questions which has been answered) is very useful, especially for threads with high activity, such as the cyanogen thread and ICS sdk thread in i9000.
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Not exactly what you are looking for, but we added an easy way to obscure posts by folk on your ignore list. So, if there are one or two posters in a thread that are generating lots of useless posts in your view, click their name and choose to add them to your ignore list.
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Are you thinking about implementing the idea or not yet ?
exadeci said:
So I'm requesting a down vote or something similar that would hide or delete the usless posts in a thread to make it smaller and easier to read and could help lighten the xda database
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That's a really nice idea! The down voted posts does not have to be deleted but the users can choose if they would see them.
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exadeci said:
Are you thinking about implementing the idea or not yet ?
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This is already done. Click someone's username and see it
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This is already done. Click someone's username and see it
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Ignoring an user for some posts will make us miss all the good ones he might post and having to ignore half of the posters on a topic doesn't seems to be the best
While having the possibility to vote to hide/delete would be better
Could we have a straight answer ?!
0 no, maybe it will happen...
Mods do something
This needs to happen. It would make XDA a way better place. Everyone needs to put a link to this thread in their sig like I did....we need more attention in this thread so that this idea gets pushed to the top of the list.
G1ForFun said:
This needs to happen. It would make XDA a way better place. Everyone needs to put a link to this thread in their sig like I did....we need more attention in this thread so that this idea gets pushed to the top of the list.
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I'm 50/50 about the idea. I can see the benefit, but I can also see it being abused. Either way, your enthusiasm doesn't change the fact that no-one has posted here for over 3 months. I'm guessing that there's not too much interest in it.
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This needs to happen. It would make XDA a way better place. Everyone needs to put a link to this thread in their sig like I did....we need more attention in this thread so that this idea gets pushed to the top of the list.
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The admins are aware of the request.
Whether 1 or 1000000 people request it makes no difference. If it's doable and beneficial then it may well happen....
Sit tight....
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I'm 50/50 about the idea. I can see the benefit, but I can also see it being abused. Either way, your enthusiasm doesn't change the fact that no-one has posted here for over 3 months. I'm guessing that there's not too much interest in it.
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Jee, I sure would give it more than a few hours before making a comment like that. I am just one person trying to bring recognition to an awesome feature request that seems to have been buried and lost.
If you have something to add besides your negativity, feel free.
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The admins are aware of the request.
Whether 1 or 1000000 people request it makes no difference. If it's doable and beneficial then it may well happen....
Sit tight....
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I appreciate the response. I figured there was no harm in making this feature request more visible to the community, but you have pointed out that this does not matter. Apologies. I'll keep my fingers crossed for this feature to be implemented in the future.
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Jee, I sure would give it more than a few hours before making a comment like that. I am just one person trying to bring recognition to an awesome feature request that seems to have been buried and lost.
If you have something to add besides your negativity, feel free.
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Did you read my post in an angry voice or something? I meant no disrespect - I was just giving my opinion and then saying it didn't look like a popular idea.
maybe add option to mark topic as bloated
and the user or the modder will hide/vote those bloated posts
I haven't had this problem until recently. Has something changed? But I find it really annoying and discourages me from answering queries.
The problem I have is the way XDA now combines recent posts - even when totally different subject matter. i.e. if I answer 2 questions or make comments in 2 areas one after the other in a close time frame, XDA combines those posts into one post. This is really annoying.
As a reader of the posts it is also so very hard to follow. Two or three responses in the one post...
So just now I did not bother responding to some quires. Well actually I did try, it combined them, it made no sense, so I deleted all but the first. Obviously not the desired result of this change. (and I've now deleted a couple more that made no sense at all). Frustrating!!!!!!!!
In my opinion not a good idea at all
Do you mean the double post remover?
I don't understand your issue, from the description... It essentially does what multi quote does
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Do you mean the double post remover?
I don't understand your issue, from the description... It essentially does what multi quote does
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An example
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19190386&postcount=34
I hit the QUOTE button and this is what I get. Didn't used to happen thus way
Whatdoyaknow said:
I haven't had this problem until recently. Has something changed? But I find it really annoying and discourages me from answering queries.
The problem I have is the way XDA now combines recent posts - even when totally different subject matter. i.e. if I answer 2 questions or make comments in 2 areas one after the other in a close time frame, XDA combines those posts into one post. This is really annoying.
As a reader of the posts it is also so very hard to follow. Two or three responses in the one post...
So just now I did not bother responding to some quires. Well actually I did try, it combined them, it made no sense, so I deleted all but the first. Obviously not the desired result of this change. (and I've now deleted a couple more that made no sense at all). Frustrating!!!!!!!!
In my opinion not a good idea at all
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Testing it here
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No, for some reason doesn't happen on this one. But my previous example it did/does.
But I've posted over 100 times and it has only just started doing it
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Testing it here
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No, for some reason doesn't happen on this one. But my previous example it did/does.
But I've posted over 100 times and it has only just started doing it
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Yes, feature was added recently to try cut down on double posting.
It doesn't apply when you are the OP of a thread.
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Yes, feature was added recently to try cut down on double posting.
It doesn't apply when you are the OP of a thread.
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Please register my dissatisfaction with this change. It is most annoying for users and readers.
Perhaps make it an option or opt out.
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Perhaps make it an option or opt out.
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That's like saying: "Please remove that feature". If they allowed users to have a choice, then most would "opt out" and the feature would seem as if it doesn't exist. This would allow those users to double (or more) post and just spam the thread.
It doesn't do that when you use the android app
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That's like saying: "Please remove that feature". If they allowed users to have a choice, then most would "opt out" and the feature would seem as if it doesn't exist. This would allow those users to double (or more) post and just spam the thread.
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Maybe so, but this is much worse
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Maybe so, but this is much worse
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Not if they are trying to limit spam (which they are).
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Not if they are trying to limit spam (which they are).
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I don't see much evidence of spam, show me an example of spam that would make this so necessary
Is there enough spam to impose this dumb idea on us all. I get on for a few minutes at a time and may answer a few questions etc. Does that make me a spammer. I think not, but this is imposed on me anyway
A bit heavy handed I think.
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Not if they are trying to limit spam (which they are).
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This prevents <10 post user spam.
But, and this is the key thing, there's no actual reason for EVERYTHING to be in separate posts.
The only justification for wanting this to be different is if you are trying to increase your postcount, whether by spamming, or wanting to just get it higher...
It prevents a user constantly bumping a thread as well.
There's nobody stopping you answering a few questions. But it will automatically combine the posts, a bit like multi-quote does (which is the preferred way to answer several questions).
This is a standard feature used on a wide range of forums including vbulletin.org. By merging together sequential posts from a user, it reduces resource usage, as there's less individual posts needing loaded.
^what he said......
I'm sorry but I just don't see the issue here.
If you are responding to multiple posts in a thread, use multi quote. Problem solved.
Is there enough spam to warrant this?
Yes. There is enough spam to warrant much more stringent methods of preventing it imo.
This is a simple feature which greatly increases the readability of a thread.
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I don't see much evidence of spam, show me an example of spam that would make this so necessary
Is there enough spam to impose this dumb idea on us all. I get on for a few minutes at a time and may answer a few questions etc. Does that make me a spammer. I think not, but this is imposed on me anyway
A bit heavy handed I think.
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Exactly what they said (below). Using multiquote is not hard (I did it in this post ). If you want to answer multiple questions, do it in one post (using multiquote). It is unnecessary to make 2 (or more) different posts to answer 2 (or more) different questions when there is a way to do it in 1 post.
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This prevents <10 post user spam.
But, and this is the key thing, there's no actual reason for EVERYTHING to be in separate posts.
The only justification for wanting this to be different is if you are trying to increase your postcount, whether by spamming, or wanting to just get it higher...
It prevents a user constantly bumping a thread as well.
There's nobody stopping you answering a few questions. But it will automatically combine the posts, a bit like multi-quote does (which is the preferred way to answer several questions).
This is a standard feature used on a wide range of forums including vbulletin.org. By merging together sequential posts from a user, it reduces resource usage, as there's less individual posts needing loaded.
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^what he said......
I'm sorry but I just don't see the issue here.
If you are responding to multiple posts in a thread, use multi quote. Problem solved.
Is there enough spam to warrant this?
Yes. There is enough spam to warrant much more stringent methods of preventing it imo.
This is a simple feature which greatly increases the readability of a thread.
Sent from my HD2. Still kicking the arse out of all your phones...
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^what he said......
I'm sorry but I just don't see the issue here.
If you are responding to multiple posts in a thread, use multi quote. Problem solved.
Is there enough spam to warrant this?
Yes. There is enough spam to warrant much more stringent methods of preventing it imo.
This is a simple feature which greatly increases the readability of a thread.
Sent from my HD2. Still kicking the arse out of all your phones...
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I beg to differ, it reduces the readability of the thread enormously and is really annoying. That's why I'm raising it.
Please show me the evidence of spamming that you mention. I have not seen it myself.
Surely if a person was spamming a moderator could remove it and warn the spammer. That's what I've seen on other discussions and boards that I have run.
It would save this heavy handed autocratic approach - punishing us all.
lol...
that's all I have
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I beg to differ, it reduces the readability of the thread enormously and is really annoying. That's why I'm raising it.
Please show me the evidence of spamming that you mention. I have not seen it myself.
Surely if a person was spamming a moderator could remove it and warn the spammer. That's what I've seen on other discussions and boards that I have run.
It would save this heavy handed autocratic approach - punishing us all.
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Spam runs deep in the subforum I'm in and I don't see any problem with the new feature .
In fact I like it
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i dont get why would you like spam
Why are you judging members by their post count?
For lack of a better alternative. I challenge anyone to come up with a better alternative.
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OK. You need a 'user points' system. I'm more familiar with Drupal than vb (you should probably upgrade sometime), so I'm not sure what's available for vb, if anything. You want something similar to this: http://drupal.org/project/userpoints
Users then earn points for performing certain actions on your site (not just posting), you can assign different amounts of points for different actions. Points can be removed too.
Then have a minimum userpoint limit for posting in certain forums.
Then you'd have better control over what activities you were encouraging users to do, rather than just encouraging short spam posts.
Chalenge accepted.
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12aon said:
]Why are you judging members by their post count?
For lack of a better alternative. I challenge anyone to come up with a better alternative, and share it with us.
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First of all I'd like to say "challenge accepted"
@wbaw: I like your Idea of a 'user points' system. To make sure that there are only posts that are above a certain level of standard, you need to create some kind of 'filter'. But I think that, such a system as you have suggested could be exploited as well. As long as there are technical rules to be fulfilled one can just do so and get his status right.
@12aon: In my opinion we need a rating system for the quality of posts and based on this a hiding mechanism for posts.
Let me explain why I came up and what I mean by this.
I have to confess that I'm a heavy user of youtube. And here you have a good example what I mean. You do not only have the ability to press a "like", "+1" or "thump up" -button but also the possibility to press "thumps down". What I figured out is, that the rating of the videos are surprisingly close to my own opinion. That implies that everyone is sensitive to the quality of a video (or post?!?) and furthermore that the average opinion about the quality is in average the opinion of the single reader itself (myself).
In the XDA-Forum you have the "Thanks" button. What I suggest is a ... hmmm ... "ingratitude" button (or just do "thumps up and down", "plus and minus", "happy and sad" or whatever you like). Each user has a single voice for each post.
With this mechanism in place, a post that is below a certain threshold could be automatically minimized. I don't mean that they should be deleted, because there might be answers that refer to this particular post. But by minimizing it, bad quality posts get out of the focus of the reader. If wanted, one can still expand and read it (by pressing some kind of an "open button").
That is the first step. In the second step there is a user rating that is based on the post rating of all his posts. So if one does not mind his behavior or is asking stupid questions over and over again. His Account is restricted to post only in the non developer parts of the forum.
The first advantage by applying this functionality is, that silly posts get quite fast out of the focus of the reader.
The second advantage is that silly poster (no offense here ^^) are removed from development forums in the long run.
The third advantage is, that one have to take care of all his posts even in the long run (writing 10 posts does not necessarily means that one have learned its lesson). So the over all quality of the forum itself is increasing.
In my opinion this functionality is a little bit better than restricting everyone (even the high quality poster) to non development forums just because they are not active enough to reach 10 posts.
The problem is, to define the threshold. I've some ideas in my mind, but that would leave the scope of this post which is to invite a new (I know its old, but new to this forum) idea.
Cheers
Ponsel
p.S. Sorry 4 my bad English. Its not my native language.
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OK. You need a 'user points' system. I'm more familiar with Drupal than vb (you should probably upgrade sometime), so I'm not sure what's available for vb, if anything. You want something similar to this: http://drupal.org/project/userpoints
Users then earn points for performing certain actions on your site (not just posting), you can assign different amounts of points for different actions. Points can be removed too.
Then have a minimum userpoint limit for posting in certain forums.
Then you'd have better control over what activities you were encouraging users to do, rather than just encouraging short spam posts.
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I appreciate your ideas on this topic, although I have to admit I am really mystified by this: "....rather than just encouraging short spam posts".
Why do you believe that encouraging users to post in the proper sections with helpful answers to other users is "encouraging short spam posts"? I seriously don't get this idea. It is not really any more difficult to try a little to post even marginally helpful answers to other people in the General and Q&A forums as opposed to "short spam posts".
It is not like getting 10 not-spam posts is that difficult. Probably hundreds do it any given week here. Is it too much to ask that people read a little first, gain some knowledge, try to be a little helpful to others in the General, Q&A, Themes and Apps, and Accessories device forums, or in the general discussion forums, in order to be able to post into any dev thread on this site?
I am not sure if there is a way to add this type of functionality to VBulletin, but I think it just becomes a meaningless stat over time just like the thanks counter, and users will figure out a way to scam it as well.
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First of all I'd like to say "challenge accepted"
@12aon: In my opinion we need a rating system for the quality of posts and based on this a hiding mechanism for posts.
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This is already in the works from what I hear, there will be rating buttons on each post, enough positive votes raises it up, enough negative votes hides it (not delete).
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Ponsel said:
First of all I'd like to say "challenge accepted"
@12aon: In my opinion we need a rating system for the quality of posts and based on this a hiding mechanism for posts.
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This is already in the works from what I hear, there will be rating buttons on each post, enough positive votes raises it up, enough negative votes hides it (not delete).
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That sounds great. I'd love to increase the visibility of my favorite ROM and further more rate away bad posts.
Cheers
Ponsel
p.S. Just writing to increase my "noob counter" ;-D
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That sounds great. I'd love to increase the visibility of my favorite ROM and further more rate away bad posts.
Cheers
Ponsel
p.S. Just writing to increase my "noob counter" ;-D
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I would advise not writing posts to simply increase your post count. That can get the wrong kind of attention. Instead, simply try to write good posts that help people less experienced than you in your devices General or Q&A forum and it won't ever be a problem to worry about.
@wbaw - While the user points system would be a massive change to how things are run at the moment, I can't help feeling that mf2112 is completely right when he says that it'll become just like the thanks button.
In an ideal world, it would be a great idea and would work perfectly well. But in amongst the realms of the internet, a lot of people will simply do all they can just so they can post something wherever they'd like to.
@Ponsel - Even though this rating system can be a great idea and will probably be put into action at some point, I can't help feeling that this system will be exploited aswell.
I say this because quite a few times, in my short time here, I've seen moments when there's been a casual discussion going on with 6/7 people and everything's going great. Then all of a sudden, one states their opinion and none of the others agree with it or like it, so they all gang up on the individual.
In this instance, the 'gang' could quite easily vote all the individuals comments down, thus resulting in him/her being penalized.
Obviously the situation would be able to be rectified in the end, but until a mod has been able to view the whole situation, the individual would still have to be without certain posting rights, which wouldn't be fair.
The third advantage is, that one have to take care of all his posts even in the long run (writing 10 posts does not necessarily means that one have learned its lesson). So the over all quality of the forum itself is increasing.
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^^^I really love this bit because as you mention, people will have to take care of what they post, even if they have thousands of posts. Also, I really do think it would improve the forum quality aswell. Only time will tell as to whether it with get implemented or not and whether it would even be effective, but I do like the idea so far.
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Ponsel said:
p.S. Just writing to increase my "noob counter" ;-D
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would advise not writing posts to simply increase your post count.
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I just could not resist to show how easy it is to exploit the "noob counter" system. You just need to start a discussion and keep trolling.
But here's the non trolling reply:
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@Ponsel - Even though this rating system can be a great idea and will probably be put into action at some point, I can't help feeling that this system will be exploited aswell.
I say this because quite a few times, in my short time here, I've seen moments when there's been a casual discussion going on with 6/7 people and everything's going great. Then all of a sudden, one states their opinion and none of the others agree with it or like it, so they all gang up on the individual.
In this instance, the 'gang' could quite easily vote all the individuals comments down, thus resulting in him/her being penalized.
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I know, that my idea is not without any fault. But I think that this problem can be solved by a good threshold. I think its to early to go into details, but to support my idea and to encourage everyone to participate in this discussion (I can't fight the feeling that I'm just trolling again ^^) I'll now suggest one possible solution how to solve this problem.
I think the threshold should work in two steps:
Step 1. As long as there are no more than 5 ratings the post is visible.
Step 2. As long as there are 10% or more positive votes the post should still be visible.
These numbers have materialized out of thin air in front of my inner eye and I'd be glad if some "number cruncher" could calculate better ones. But first let me explain why I've chosen this particular ones.
First of all I'd like to state that I'd rather let a bad post stay visible then losing a good idea. So I would be very careful when filtering them out. By the method that I've suggested, a post would be as visible as long as not at least 6 persons have rated against it. And even then a single positive vote can keep the post above the threshold until there are 10 negative votes against it.
Normal posts will get voted very seldom (just because they don't polarize as much).
Posts that polarize will get some positive and some negative votes and stay above the threshold.
I figure that bad posts are so obvious bad that barely anyone will ever vote them positive (well ... the poster should not be allowed to rate his own post ^^).
The rating system for the account itself must work somehow different. I've no Idea how it should work, but I think that the lowest 5-15% of the "most unpopular" accounts should be restricted on non development forums (these numbers are out of thin air as well ^^).
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Ponsel said:
The third advantage is, that one have to take care of all his posts even in the long run (writing 10 posts does not necessarily means that one have learned its lesson). So the over all quality of the forum itself is increasing.
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^^^I really love this bit because as you mention, people will have to take care of what they post, even if they have thousands of posts. Also, I really do think it would improve the forum quality aswell. Only time will tell as to whether it with get implemented or not and whether it would even be effective, but I do like the idea so far.
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Well in this point I'm not sooo optimistic because normal posts rarely get a rating at all. Giving those assumption someone with a lot of posts might stay above the threshold. It might be advisable to take only the posts with a rating into account, but I'm not sure.
I hope my remarks support my Idea of a rating system for posts ^^
Cheers
Ponsel
only issue i have is i am very experience in flashing roms just new to this site and i have a couple very specific questions about ombg nand and i could not ask. which is my main reason for signing up. there is a ton of great info here but i was having a specific issue with the rom on my rhod400 and i hope to get a answer in general since i couldnt ask directly in that thread.
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only issue i have is i am very experience in flashing roms just new to this site and i have a couple very specific questions about ombg nand and i could not ask. which is my main reason for signing up. there is a ton of great info here but i was having a specific issue with the rom on my rhod400 and i hope to get a answer in general since i couldnt ask directly in that thread.
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As others have stated, you should make some helpful posts around the forums. If you say you're sharp at flashing, I'm sure there's a ton of questions you can answer around the forums.
The TP2 is a strange device, in that it runs both Android and WinMo. We really need an "Android General" section for the TP2, which I have tried many times to get...
So unfortunately there's not a whole lot you can do. Just don't go spamming forums with worthless drivel... that will certainly get you unwanted attention.
This is the kind of thing we think about a lot. We actually do have a "points" system in beta on some forums but there are a lot of issues that come into play when you start showing/hiding threads based on points. What if a group gets together and starts voting competing projects down in collective voting blocks?
Right now we simply ask that in order to post in certain sections, that you help others out first. It may not be the ideal solution but it is working for the community at the moment.
Anyway, rest assured we continually evaluate the best way to balance user interaction vs limiting the cruft.
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This is the kind of thing we think about a lot. We actually do have a "points" system in beta on some forums but there are a lot of issues that come into play when you start showing/hiding threads based on points. What if a group gets together and starts voting competing projects down in collective voting blocks?
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I'm not quite sure how to answer this. I'll try it anyway
My suggestion is for single posts, not for threads. Probably its a good idea to disable the the voting for the initial post of a thread.
It's all about visibility. I don't want to delete the post, just minimize it within the thread.
I'd like to mention the REALLY low threshold. 10% means that every 10 negative votes can be countered by one single positive vote.
If there is a project that figures that there is a competitor the competitor itself must have accumulated enough interest to be recognized as such one. That means that there is a fan base to keep it above the threshold mentioned in point 3.
Last but not least. It might sound harsh, but if a Project can not build up as many fans as needed to defend itself, then probably this project might be not worth working on it (just a thought).
Cheers
Ponsel
We can mention who all have voted up/down on every post (through some expandable option, ofcourse)..
This way, group behaviour can be identified, and accordingly dealt with, by the mods...
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[*]Last but not least. It might sound harsh, but if a Project can not build up as many fans as needed to defend itself, then probably this project might be not worth working on it (just a thought).
Cheers
Ponsel
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Sorry but an app that is genuinely useful but may only have a handful of responses is just as, if not more valuable to a site like this than some annoying fart/wallpaper application which may have hundreds.
Quantity of responses/thanks clicks is no gauge for quality.
This is a difficult issue to approach and I don't really have an answer for you but my personal feeling has always been that the post count limit should be raised.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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Sorry but an app that is genuinely useful but may only have a handful of responses is just as, if not more valuable to a site like this than some annoying fart/wallpaper application which may have hundreds.
Quantity of responses/thanks clicks is no gauge for quality.
This is a difficult issue to approach and I don't really have an answer for you but my personal feeling has always been that the post count limit should be raised.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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You,sir,are amazing... LOL... Anyway,i also agree that the post count limit should be increased rather than decreased..
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Sorry but an app that is genuinely useful but may only have a handful of responses is just as, if not more valuable to a site like this than some annoying fart/wallpaper application which may have hundreds.
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See point 4 on my list. A project as small as you seems to have in mind, would never collect enough attention to be recognized as a competitor. it's just to small.
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Quantity of responses/thanks clicks is no gauge for quality.
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Neither is a "noob counter".
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This is a difficult issue to approach and I don't really have an answer for you but my personal feeling has always been that the post count limit should be raised.
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Following your argumentation that even small projects might contribute to the developer community, I'd like to express the thought, that even the first post of a completely new account could include the spark of genius that is needed to solve a problem for which even recognized developers could provide a solution since years. One should not use different standards to similar problems. :angel::laugh:
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Quality of a post is not only based on its contents, but on the manners of the poster as well. The phrase quoted would have made me hesitating to give a positive vote (neither would I rate it down, because your arguments help to figure out the pro and cons of my suggestion and we urgently need to discuss the boundaries of a new idea before doing a field test).
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Ponsel
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See point 4 on my list. A project as small as you seems to have in mind, would never collect enough attention to be recognized as a competitor. it's just to small.
The examples given aren't really important, its the principle, just because something is popular does not make it any more relevant or valid. I'm also unsure where the idea of competition comes from. XDA is about collaboration not competition.
Neither is a "noob counter".
It's not a counter, it's a period of introduction to the forums and a chance to contribute to the community befor gaining access to the development forums. It's unfortunate that such measures are necessary but due to the majority of new member simply wishing to ask inane questions or make demands of the developers, they are necessary.
Following your argumentation that even small projects might contribute to the developer community, I'd like to express the thought, that even the first post of a completely new account could include the spark of genius that is needed to solve a problem for which even recognized developers could provide a solution since years. One should not use different standards to similar problems. :angel::laugh:
Very true and one of the major drawbacks to this rule. However, anyone with such knowledge will no doubt either make ten useful posts or alert the relevant party via PM. Anyone who has the attitude of "I know the answer but I'm not sharing it because of the ten post rule" is probably not suited to XDA.
Quality of a post is not only based on its contents, but on the manners of the poster as well. The phrase quoted would have made me hesitating to give a positive vote (neither would I rate it down, because your arguments help to figure out the pro and cons of my suggestion and we urgently need to discuss the boundaries of a new idea before doing a field test).
lol, the phrase you quoted here is my mobile signature and not directed at you or your post here
Cheers
Ponsel
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Responded to your points in red.
Here is my take on the 10-post "issue". I signed up for the forum a few days ago to hopefully get an answer regarding the win mobile phones and Ive searched for an answer and could not find one. I'm not a windows phone user so I dont have a lot of knowledge about the devices so Im not the best person to help (hence lowering my post count). So I have to reply with posts like this to be able to post a real question in the category I really want to post it in. I've asked the question in the Q&A section but because its flooded with everyone's questions I dont think people actually go there to help assist anyone (my short observation).
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Here is my take on the 10-post "issue". I signed up for the forum a few days ago to hopefully get an answer regarding the win mobile phones and Ive searched for an answer and could not find one. I'm not a windows phone user so I dont have a lot of knowledge about the devices so Im not the best person to help (hence lowering my post count). So I have to reply with posts like this to be able to post a real question in the category I really want to post it in. I've asked the question in the Q&A section but because its flooded with everyone's questions I dont think people actually go there to help assist anyone (my short observation).
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The development section is not the place for questions. I can assure that posting a question there will get you a response, however it won't be the one you want.
So here is my partial proposed solution to the issue. Upon signup, perhaps the users need to go through a rotating question system (10 questions?) and another captcha? This may take the user longer to sign up and be able to post but maybe there wont be so many abandoned user accounts, not sure if you have current viability on this or not.
Abandoned accounts is not the problem...
The problem is that people think that the dev area is for newb questions...it isn't...
Hence, the initial limitation posed to all, so that they atleast try and understand what this site is about...
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