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Motorola Defy vs HTC Desire HD

I know it's a bit strange question but I have no idea which phone to buy - Motorola Defy or DHD It seems that defy has even better processor than DHD or equal. And the price differs so much!
I don't really need that anti-water protection and so on, but after reading some reviews, it seems like Defy is just a great great phone for its price! Is it comfortable to hold in hand? Could you please say some words about it, I will really appreciate it

The two are very good phones... desire HD has 4,3" screen amoled, 8mpx camera, and it has froyo, and in the future 2.3 It has too 768 MB RAM and his processor is better than the defy´s that is secure...
Desire HD is more powerfull... if you like this, and its not important for you that it is a little big... this is your phone.
Defy is very cheaper, and is very more resistance.

its a bit like compairing a BMW with a Ford. They both do the exact same thing... get you from A to B. The Beemer just does it with a bit more panache. You need to decide if you can justify the extra cost.
The Desire HD is a premium phone with a bigger and better screen, better CPU, more RAM, better OS.... etc etc.
The Defy is very good value for money but it has cloth seats, not leather. It is a very good phone in my opinion and offers a better bang for your buck. It will do everything (almost) that the Desire does, the Desire HD does it just a little better.

as i will be replacing my touch hd (blackstone) within the next month i´m also considering both the dhd and the defy.
the only plus for the defy is it´s outdoor use: long-living batteries and water-resistantance. as i expect to undergo longer hiking trips next summer a dhd which lasts bearly a day without recharging is a bit of a plotstopper.
but it is just nicer and .. bigger. i love the display, here web browsing is fun!
so i still have a tough choice to make ..

I had the dhd and although its nice the speaker is awful. You can't hear the ring when its in your pocket. This for a premium media device is very sad. The sound quality is very tinny. Speaker is very important to me.
The defy is also ready for dropping or a bit of rain. I got bored of treating phones with such care.
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trickyhenry said:
I had the dhd and although its nice the speaker is awful. You can't hear the ring when its in your pocket. This for a premium media device is very sad. The sound quality is very tinny. Speaker is very important to me.
The defy is also ready for dropping or a bit of rain. I got bored of treating phones with such care.
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I prefer vibro mode, so I don't care about how loud is the speaker
Could you please compare some staff like sound quality with headphones, overall performance, GPS, camera, and so on?

as it's pretty relevant to this topic and only slightly a thread ninja.
how does the defy hold up against just the normal desire? the defy actually appears to preform better(with launcher pro) so really what the desire has on it is better firmware support (being already 2.2) and not having this speaker problem
so really the defy for me is $11 dollars cheaper per month then the desire or the same price as the wildfire... what would you pick?

ZootHornRollo said:
its a bit like compairing a BMW with a Ford. They both do the exact same thing... get you from A to B. The Beemer just does it with a bit more panache. You need to decide if you can justify the extra cost.
The Desire HD is a premium phone with a bigger and better screen, better CPU, more RAM, better OS.... etc etc.
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Yeah, yeah etc., etc... Well I have this BMW and I love the idea that I can chuck my Defy in my sleeve pocket etc. no matter the weather. I'm thinking of making a holster for it on my snowboard.
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Yeah, yeah etc., etc... Well I have this BMW and I love the idea that I can chuck my Defy in my sleeve pocket etc. no matter the weather. I'm thinking of making a holster for it on my snowboard.
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nice moto nice defy

So camera, screen, sound via headphones, camera are better on dhd. More likely to get gingerbread quicker. Dhd has faster processor. Dhd has sense. 4.3 screen.
Costs more.
Defy has better speaker, ruggedised.
GPS same.
Its a question of what you need or want not which is better.
Defy is a great mid range phone
Dhd is a great top end phone with a very poor speaker.
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aikidoka90 said:
desire HD has 4,3" screen amoled.
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Hi
Just a little mistake here.
DHD a LCD screen, no AMOLED, even not SLCD i though

Dont worry about the price, buy a phone for what you want. I bought the defy purely for its smaller size and weatherproof. Its a gps on my mtb bike and motorbike and doesnt look like a tablet when held up like a phone...

The DHD has that big, beautiful screen going for it. The Defy has the same resolution hidden behind Gorilla Glass and at least twice the battery life. Had a regular Desire before I got the Defy and boy I sure don't regret making that switch! I never have to worry about my phone again, like when I was using Nokia dumbphones and featurephones

I had the same decision to make
. I am a big fan of HTC and their phones but I went for the Defy after holding the Desire HD in my hands. It is just too big, does not feel comfortable.
The other really big pro has been already mentioned: battery runtime ftw!
The water resistance is a nice plus for me, which I hopefully does not have to test (even though I already lost two phones because of water damage).
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Le_Poilu said:
Hi
Just a little mistake here.
DHD a LCD screen, no AMOLED, even not SLCD i though
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I was wrong, and you too xD
According to I´m reading desire HD has a SLCD screen... the defy yes, it has only LCD screen. But this is not very important to me... You only see the difference if you compare them next to each other...
Thanks for point my mistake, I thought than DHD had Amoled screen, but seems that samsung can´t fabricate Amoled screens to all...

No, it's just a standard LCD, not S-LCD.

thanks!
Sh4gr4th said:
I had the same decision to make
. I am a big fan of HTC and their phones but I went for the Defy after holding the Desire HD in my hands. It is just too big, does not feel comfortable.
The other really big pro has been already mentioned: battery runtime ftw!
The water resistance is a nice plus for me, which I hopefully does not have to test (even though I already lost two phones because of water damage).
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hey guys,
just wanted to say thanks for this discussion ... i own a hero :=)) great phone, but somethings wrong with the 2.2 roms.. they got battery drain when screen is on (also read launcher pro can cause, but not verified.. but will check it with my DEFY)...
i ordered (DEFY) the phone today, and also wanted to say (owned a DHD for 1 week, but provider had bad signal strengths so i redigned...) ...
i really loved the DHD because it was a pleasure to hold it in my hands :=) but personally after bringing it back, 2 days over.. it thought it has also been the right decision because it's just too big. like mentioned above, mountainbiking, running, everything critical, slip one time. and the phone is gone. that's for sure.
so... :=) for now i've been engaged with HTC, blackstone (touch HD - winMo) before - great phone, htc hero now... (also great phone..) - DHD shortly--- (tooo big) -- now a Motorola DEFY... i'm really exited how everything will be.. but :=) i've found out that everything of HTC Sense can be replaced by something similar (some even better)... so I'm really looking forward to use my DEFY with launcher PRO + snowstorm (perfect weather widget) ... :=) and I'm sure I'll get happy.
Just hope the performance rulez it all :=) (read that the 800mhz processor is quite compareable with an desire 1000mhz processor.. some experiences?)
maybe also SetCPU useable?
I'm exited guys :=) and just wanted to say thank you for your nice discussion (was really interesting to read) .. and it became quite a text .. just for saying thanks ... :=PP
best regards
greets,
mike

senergy said:
Dont worry about the price, buy a phone for what you want. I bought the defy purely for its smaller size and weatherproof. Its a gps on my mtb bike and motorbike and doesnt look like a tablet when held up like a phone...
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telstra aye? I'm right to assume that you are Australian yes? waht kind of bloatware/extra apps does telstra jam on the defy? also is it all black?

Jt612 said:
telstra aye? I'm right to assume that you are Australian yes? waht kind of bloatware/extra apps does telstra jam on the defy? also is it all black?
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Yes im australian, and yes telsta put a bit of bloatware but its nowhere near as bad as blur.
Yea its all black

senergy said:
Yes im australian, and yes telsta put a bit of bloatware but its nowhere near as bad as blur.
Yea its all black
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Cool how long have you had it?

Nokia Lumia 800 vs. Nokia Lumia 900

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Well, now that we're out of the smartphone beta test, I figure I can compare the phones that pulled us out of such a state. On one hand, we have the brilliant Lumia 800. On the other hand, however, is it's big brother, the Nokia Lumia 900. Today, I plan to weigh the pluses and minuses of these two great devices and help decide once and for all who the best post-beta smartphone is.
Form Factor
Since this is purely a hardware battle, considering it's the same software, let's jump right into form factor. Both the Nokia Lumia 900 and 800 have a wrap-around seamless polycarbonate shell encompassing everything short of the glass, however, the 800 is made of a more dense polycarbonate, affording it a bit more heft and reassurance and making a seemingly bulletproof phone seem less fragile. The other big difference is the glass used, the Lumia 900 has a flat panel glass front where the 800 opted for a curved glass that allows your fingers to slide much more easily and giving an overall uniformity on all sides of the device.
The main issue with the lumia 800 was the charging door, it required a hard press on a mound of plastic on the top of the device, some users complained of the door itself bending out of shape. While this has not occurred to me personally, I see where it could. The Lumia 900 resolved these issues with a visible charge port that is easily accessible without tricks.
Overall, a charging port doesn't save the phone, the Lumia 800 wins this battle.
Screen
As mentioned before, the Lumia 800 has the curved glass, but what about the visuals? Much to my shock, the viewing angles on the Lumia 900 are better than that of the 800. You get a much broader range of sight and the colors retain vibrancy. While the head on view should be even, the auto-brightness sensor on the Lumia 800 seems to underperform in sunlight. The Lumia 900 remains strong. My only issue with the visuals on the Lumia 900 has to do with the capacitive buttons, they glow a slightly dingy looking yellow rather than white. This pertains to the buttons though so the 900 takes the cake on this one.
Sound Quality
Well, both through headphones and the loudspeaker, the Nokia Lumia 900 is louder. However, in my personal experience, you sacrifice just a tiny bit of sound quality. This is not, however, noticable without considerable effort. The call quality on both is simply amazing and through a set of sennheisers it's hard to not fall in love.
For this one, I have to give it a draw.
Yeah, but how does it feel?
This is a tough one, and for this test I operated both devices for two days with no case. The Lumia 900 is a massive piece of hardware, I can palm a basketball pretty easily and it still feels pretty sizable, if you're a big screen phone type then it's excellent, however, the Lumia 800 feels as though it was designed to fit comfortably in any hand.
The 900 seems to have a finish on the polycarbonate that isn't quite as smooth, it detracts from the overall uniformity of the device but aids in gripping it. Neither of these devices feel bad in hand, but for the overall market, I'd suggest the 800.
Extra! Extra! Read all about it!
Well, as far as extras go, the 900 wins on FFC alone, the FFC takes decent pics and is perfect for video calls. If the 800 had this feature, there'd have been no competition.
Bugs! Defects! *squash*
Well, Nokia is quick and generous in knocking out those bugs, but what did we have for each device? The Lumia 800 was plagued with a messed up battery and volume, and the 900 has a purple tint in low brightness, a connection issue, a creaky screen corner, and a tinny rattle when it vibrates. Now, I'd like to state that I've encountered none of these issues despite having the Lumia 800 three weeks prior to launch and the 900 on launch day. I feel as though these issues were few and far between but complaints are always louder than praise. I do know, that if I did have such issues, Nokia Care would promptly resolve them by whatever means necessary. However, as I must compare them, I have to give the point to the 800 as all of it's issues are software fixes, you can't patch a creaky screen with an update.
Overall:
While neither of these phones are a bad pick up by any means, the points are in favor of the Lumia 800. If you need a FFC, get the 900 by all means. You will not be disappointed either way. I use both as daily drivers, my 1 year old also has a lumia 800 as does my wife. You can't really go wrong with any of them, either way you're getting the best support, both software and customer. Most importantly though, you're getting the best combination of software and hardware to ever hit the mobile market.
Well, thanks for taking the time to read my random review. Enjoy the rest of your Tuesday.

Thanks for the insight mate. My contract is now up so I'm overdue and upgrade for my Omnia 7....
Can't be bothered waiting 6 months for Apollo so it's either the 800 or 900 for me. Being in the UK I've only had a play with the 800 and absolutely loved it. Loved how solid it felt and the size seemed great. I'm not sure if I'd be able to deal with something bigger than my Omnia 7 since I've got fairly small hands.
Still, I wanted to wait until the 900 was around so I can at least try both out for size. Out of curiosity, is the 900 noticably bigger than say the Focus (/Omnia) or maybe the Galaxy S2 since that's the same size screen?
Other than the FFC and Larger screen (depending if size is important) it seems there isn't really much of an advantage to the 900...

It feels similar to s2 in terms of size, the sharp edges though make it a little bigger at the corners. I'd suggest the 800 first, but they're both just amazing.

z33dev33l said:
It feels similar to s2 in terms of size, the sharp edges though make it a little bigger at the corners. I'd suggest the 800 first, but they're both just amazing.
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Thanks for the info. I always remember disliking the S2 for it's size. Me and my baby hands!

Awesome comparison.

A 1 year old child with a mobile phone??? Whatever next? A 2 year old girl wearing lipstick?

He wants to be like daddy and he loves the sesame street and other shows I pin to his homescreen. It's also a great tool just in case he wanders off at some point.

nice little review, I also have both the 800 and 900 and both phones are excellent. I have never encountered any of the problems either with both devices. the 900 is a big phone but for me with LTE the 900 wins for me.

Lte is a myth in my area, but I don't see a need for faster internet.

Right, well I went into a Phones4u today as they now have them in-store and had a play.
It is very nice, however it seemed like the scroll speed of the screen was pretty slow and it was quite off-putting.
Also with my baby small hands i think it really is too big. I couldn't reach all the corners with my thumb without having to shift the phone around in my hand.
My Omnia 7 is about as big as I could go I think. The 800 may be the one for me it seems. The 800 also just felt a bit more solid to me. I do a lot of outdoor activities out in the mountains and would be terrified of something that big in my pocket / bag getting smashed / damaged.

It's my personal preference, I'm remodeling and my 800 will be the only device I trust to bring with me.

z33dev33l said:
It's my personal preference, I'm remodeling and my 800 will be the only device I trust to bring with me.
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It's silly really, the only thing that is putting me off getting the 800 is the fact it came out in November and it seems like an old device now!

z33dev33l said:
It's my personal preference, I'm remodeling and my 800 will be the only device I trust to bring with me.
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I gotta say from being a nokia lumia 900 user, there are some weird sensitivy bugs with it, and seeing an 800 in person was nice, the 800 felt like it was better made. I have a question, when you are on a heavy website like engadget or theverge on the desktop view does the pinch to zoom lag? I have a titan sitting around and it doesnt do that, and also i have tried this with multiple 900 and found the same problem.

I'm trying on both the 800 and the 900 and encountering nothing. Honestly, the only site that ever gave me trouble was xda.

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I'm trying on both the 800 and the 900 and encountering nothing. Honestly, the only site that ever gave me trouble was xda.
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well, thanks for telling me, I know there have been number of people reporting this issue, has your lumia been dropped though?
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Mine hasn't, my son's has and there's no issue there.

lovenokia said:
I gotta say from being a nokia lumia 900 user, there are some weird sensitivy bugs with it, and seeing an 800 in person was nice, the 800 felt like it was better made. I have a question, when you are on a heavy website like engadget or theverge on the desktop view does the pinch to zoom lag? I have a titan sitting around and it doesnt do that, and also i have tried this with multiple 900 and found the same problem.
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While Engadget (desktop) was loading, pinch to zoom wasn't completely smooth. After the page finished, it was as smooth as any other site.

Both phones are just GREAT with incredible formfactors but really love the Lumia 900.

Kenzibit said:
Both phones are just GREAT with incredible formfactors but really love the Lumia 900.
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I could like the 900, but for 3 reasons, two of which were mentioned in the comparison:
1 - the 900's polycarbonate not only feels less dense, but is also textured. Both lend to a cheaper feel, IMO.
2 - I just can't get past that flat panel of glass with metal ridge. I'd prefer to take my risks with the curved display. It lends immensely to the original form factor and feel.
3 - the 900 is physically the same size as the Titan/TitanII, yet has a smaller display. This shows HTC's ability to pack a display in a housing. I was really expecting the 900 to be the near the size of the HD2. The 900 is just too huge for my desires of portability and single-hand use/typing.
I agree, the 900 is a lovely device and I'm trilled that people are taking to it so well. I was worried that I might like it more than my 800 and would have to swap. I went to an AT&T store just before release and asked a rep to show his 900 to me. I immediately had my love for my 800 validated and reassured.

The HTC One X can replace your point and shooter camera...

In my opinion, some might not agree, but the HTC One X can and does a great job as a point and shoot camera. So far I am impressed how well pictures turn out.
http://hggadgets.blogspot.com/2012/05/can-htc-one-x-replace-your-point-and.html
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ElCamino said:
In my opinion, some might not agree, but the HTC One X can and does a great job as a point and shoot camera. So far I am impressed how well pictures turn out.
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Me too only thing stopping me from returning mine right now lol. Taken some stunning pictures and the quality allows some forgiveness when using image editing apps.

ElCamino said:
In my opinion, some might not agree, but the HTC One X can and does a great job as a point and shoot camera. So far I am impressed how well pictures turn out.
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I still think the iPhone 4S takes better pictures. I have both and have compared extensively. It's very noticeable in the HDR mode, where the 4S easily beats the One X

Just tested "Camera ICS" from the market - seems better.
Here's what I got with it:
Bitrate: 7k to 20k, mostly in 10-12k range
Frame rate: 24.53
Resolution: 1920x1088
Audio: AAC, 32KHz
I think our camera hardware is capable of decoding a higher bitrate on the fly, but I wonder why did HTC limit it so much?
And just as a thought... I wonder if it'd be possible to let main CPU handle the on the fly decoding, essentially allowing easy high-bitrate capture..

DarkDvr said:
Just tested "Camera ICS" from the market - seems better.
Here's what I got with it:
Bitrate: 7k to 20k, mostly in 10-12k range
Frame rate: 24.53
Resolution: 1920x1088
Audio: AAC, 32KHz
I think our camera hardware is capable of decoding a higher bitrate on the fly, but I wonder why did HTC limit it so much?
And just as a thought... I wonder if it'd be possible to let main CPU handle the on the fly decoding, essentially allowing easy high-bitrate capture..
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I'm thinking it's because of the limited storage capacity.

DarkDvr said:
Just tested "Camera ICS" from the market - seems better.
Here's what I got with it:
Bitrate: 7k to 20k, mostly in 10-12k range
Frame rate: 24.53
Resolution: 1920x1088
Audio: AAC, 32KHz
I think our camera hardware is capable of decoding a higher bitrate on the fly, but I wonder why did HTC limit it so much?
And just as a thought... I wonder if it'd be possible to let main CPU handle the on the fly decoding, essentially allowing easy high-bitrate capture..
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Nokia did the same with a lot of their phones. I remember having the Nokia N86 8MP which produced photo's that were smaller than 3mb in size. I thought then that phone manufacturers weren't serious about cameras in their phones, even when they advertise them as replacements. I now think it's a balance between what's possible in the phone and speed of use. Consumers want a picture taken with zero lag, fast save times and excellent quality from a phone chipset. While phones have very good silicon, I don't know how they stack up against a highend compact like the Panasonic LX or Canon S for example. I think these phones could produce better pictures but there will probably be an increased processing time. But if the manufacturers were serious about making a replacement camera phone, then why not have two camera apps. One stock one with current setup and one which gives full control over exposure, ISO, shutter speed, F-stop (if it's variable which I doubt) etc.

It's not an SLR... you're asking too much and clearly have no idea how cameras work so the options would be lost on you even if they were possible.

HTC One X can replace my piont and shoot camera look at these:
this is captured using 14 megapixels cheap benq camera with CCD by Sony
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HTC One X can replace my piont and shoot camera look at these:
this is captured using 14 megapixels cheap benq camera with CCD by Sony
this is HTC One X
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LoL are you taking the piss?

Hi,
here is my comparison from one x camera.
left picture in hdr mode, and right is automatically.
cheers
starbase64

Raider0001 said:
HTC One X can replace my piont and shoot camera look at these:
this is captured using 14 megapixels cheap benq camera with CCD by Sony
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I prefer the quality of your 14mp Benq...
This won't replace my camera's - currently a Zoom Q3HD for audio/video and Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5.
I photograph and film a friends rock band and solo act (I'm not professional, I just use Auto settings) The last solo gig I went to my wife took better photo's with her GSII than the One X took! I put it away I was so embarrased. Even my HTC Desire managed to get ok pictures at a gig on auto.

BenPope said:
It's not an SLR... you're asking too much and clearly have no idea how cameras work so the options would be lost on you even if they were possible.
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Not sure if you mean this for me but I never said anything about an SLR and I don't think I'm asking too much. I reread my post and I didn't mean for it to sound like the phones could beat a high end point and shoot but they should be able to produce better pictures with more detail, tones and dynamic range THAN THEY DO NOW.
Also, please don't jump to conclusions. I do know a thing or two about photography and these options would not be lost on me.
Regarding the original post, I use a Panasonic Lx5 and Pentax Dslr so I wouldn't expect a phone camera to replace these but I would expect a camera phone advertised and supposedly designed to replace a lesser camera to be better than what's currently on offer from phone manufacturers. I'm not sure how they'd better the cameras but I'm sure the trend for thinner devices doesn't help as it's sure to limit what they can achieve. Always a tradeoff.
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I hadn't tried any of the camera modes, only auto...
But...
These look pretty good to me.
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Not sure if you mean this for me
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Yes, it was. I should have quoted, but it's a pain from XDA app. You said "one which gives full control over exposure, ISO, shutter speed, F-stop", exposure is related to both shutter speed and F-Stops, the latter is clearly not adjustable on a fixed aperture lens (28mm, F2.0). Even ISO is technically not adjustable on a digital camera. You want to be able to do two things; shutter speed and exposure tweak (let's call it ISO, everyone else does, and the results are pretty much equivalent). That will adjust your blur and how bright the image is. Manual focus would be cool, too.
And I wouldn't have two apps, just basic point and shoot mode and advanced mode, with either fixed ISO or fixed shutter both with auto exposure, or full manual control.
Oh, and my apologies, I was a tad harsh.
Edit: I concur that the images are underwhelming; too much compression odd white balance, and, considering it was advertised as a good low light camera, too much noise in low light. I'm hoping these will be improved though.

TremF said:
I prefer the quality of your 14mp Benq...
This won't replace my camera's - currently a Zoom Q3HD for audio/video and Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5.
I photograph and film a friends rock band and solo act (I'm not professional, I just use Auto settings) The last solo gig I went to my wife took better photo's with her GSII than the One X took! I put it away I was so embarrased. Even my HTC Desire managed to get ok pictures at a gig on auto.
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I couldn't tell the difference on his pics, myself, they both seemed bad. I don't know anything about the Zoom, but I know the Panasonic Lumix are great cameras. I also don't think we can expect phones to replace full lensed cameras, but it can certainly replace those crappy cheap point and shoot. The lumix definitely isn't a cheap point and shoot (I see a number of $50 point and shoots that people buy). I will have to say that this is the first phone where I've been fine with not carrying my point & shoot camera though. In fact, I brought it on this last vacation and never brought it out with me. The advantages of the auto dropbox syncing and uploading to social networks, etc. make up for the photo differences in most situations.
The 'auto' mode on the one x camera app sucks though, I almost always set it to HDR mode. If anyone knows of a way to make it default to HDR, that would be kinda handy. I hate that it always resets to auto.
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BenPope said:
Edit: I concur that the images are underwhelming; too much compression odd white balance, and, considering it was advertised as a good low light camera, too much noise in low light. I'm hoping these will be improved though.
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I must have missed that they advertised it being a good low light camera, it definitely is not. I noticed the noise in low light and low light mode really didn't do anything. I assumed low light would slow the shutter speed and I'd get a low noise, lighter (but likely blurry because I was on a moving boat) photo. From what I can tell, the low light mode only increased the contrast, which is pointless.... I can do that from a photo app (similar to the equally useless digital zoom option).

I think the hox takes ok pictures but the dynamic range is low and the images are quite noisy at times. However that said I always have my phone with me and your best camera is always the one you have with you.

UMI Rome MT6753 5.5 Inch Octa Core 2500 mAh 13MP Back Camera Sony IMX164 Only $99.99

UMI Rome MT6753 5.5 Inch Octa Core 2500 mAh 13MP Back Camera Sony IMX164 Only $99.99
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UMI IRON PRO, U Health & Speaker First Test
Highlights of UMI Rome:
-5.5 Inch HD AMOLED Screen,1920*1080 Pixel,
-153.8*77*7.9mm
-MT6753 1.3GHz 64bit Octa Core
-3GB RAM + 16GB ROM
-13MP Back Camera Sony IMX164 + 2MP Front Camera
-2500mAh Battery
-Android 5.1 System
The Newest News of UMi Rome :
UMi Rome Is A $99 Smartphone With MT6753 & 3GB of RAM
UMi is known for making value for money smartphones and this is evident from its recent releases like the UMi Iron Pro and the UMi Hammer S. Now, the company is going to take things to a whole new level with its brand new device, called as the UMi Rome. This latest release from the company will bring the best specifications that we have seen on a phone under $100.
The UMi Rome will feature the fast MT6753 octa-core chip clocked at 1.3GHz. This is the same chip that powers most other mid-range flagships in the market under $200. Along with the powerful processor, the company has included 3GB of RAM. Yes, you heard it right! The phone will indeed feature 3GB of RAM with 16GB of internal storage to make sure that you no longer have to settle for slow smartphones at a budget price.
As for the display, the UMi Rome will feature a large 5.5-inch screen with 1280 x 720p resolution. With this display, you are sure to enjoy watching movies and playing games on the device. At the back, there will be a 13MP Sony IMX164 sensor with dual LED flash. What makes the UMi Rome even more interesting is the presence of an LED flash up front aiding its 2MP shooter. It will surely attract a lot of selfie lovers to this device.
The phone is also pretty compact, measuring just 7.9mm in thickness. Inside this body, you get a 2500mah battery that's large enough to last an entire day. Finally, the Rome will run on the Android 5.1 Lollipop OS.
As you can see, these are great specs for a phone that costs just $99.99. In fact, this budget device can take on the so called flagships like Cubot X15 and Ulefone Paris in a number of areas.

3GB RAM + 16GB ROM, $99.99, really?

The IMX164 is an 8mp senso. So the 13mp is an interpolation.

i saw some real pictures here:
but it seems not at $99.

Looks like a cross between an iPhone and an Elephone P8000.

UMi Rome Is A $99 Smartphone With MT6753 & 3GB of RAM
UMi is known for making value for money smartphones and this is evident from its recent releases like the UMi Iron Pro and the UMi Hammer S. Now, the company is going to take things to a whole new level with its brand new device, called as the UMi Rome. This latest release from the company will bring the best specifications that we have seen on a phone under $100.
The UMi Rome will feature the fast MT6753 octa-core chip clocked at 1.3GHz. This is the same chip that powers most other mid-range flagships in the market under $200. Along with the powerful processor, the company has included 3GB of RAM. Yes, you heard it right! The phone will indeed feature 3GB of RAM with 16GB of internal storage to make sure that you no longer have to settle for slow smartphones at a budget price.
As for the display, the UMi Rome will feature a large 5.5-inch screen with 1280 x 720p resolution. With this display, you are sure to enjoy watching movies and playing games on the device. At the back, there will be a 13MP Sony IMX164 sensor with dual LED flash. What makes the UMi Rome even more interesting is the presence of an LED flash up front aiding its 2MP shooter. It will surely attract a lot of selfie lovers to this device.
The phone is also pretty compact, measuring just 7.9mm in thickness. Inside this body, you get a 2500mah battery that's large enough to last an entire day. Finally, the Rome will run on the Android 5.1 Lollipop OS.
As you can see, these are great specs for a phone that costs just $99.99. In fact, this budget device can take on the so called flagships like Cubot X15 and Ulefone Paris in a number of areas.

What can offer a smartphone for $ 89 nowadays?
Over the past few weeks we have seen Chinese phone makers release phones for under $100, some for as little as $70. And for the money they have all looked pretty good, but as prices creep lower so does the amount of RAM available in them.
The answer gives you the UMi Rome , with the design, features and price, this phone could be one of the most affordable smartphone .
UMi Rome has 5.5 AMLED "HD 2,5D display and MediaTek MT6753 octa-core 1.3GHz SoC, well 3 GB of RAM , 16 GB of internal memory , Battery 2,500 mAh and Lollipop Android 5.1 pre-installed. The phone has the intricate CNC’d chassis visible around the edges of the device.
Impossible not to notice how the rear and the lower frame with speaker and micro-USB socket of the device then are guided by Galaxy Note 5 (also the shape of the camera is almost identical), although in the render below the similarity is slightly less marked.
Umi Rome was priced at $ 90. At this price these parameters look great.

As anyone else bought this phone? I'm having some difficulties with it..
Bad touch sensitivity, and LED notification does not work

I have bought it.Should arrive today
Is it true that the phone has no amoled display as promissed?

Shindy1 said:
I have bought it.Should arrive today
Is it true that the phone has no amoled display as promissed?
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It do have AMOLED screen.

Made the test with a black screen pic?

tasanhalas said:
As anyone else bought this phone? I'm having some difficulties with it..
Bad touch sensitivity, and LED notification does not work
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Hy,,if you want led notification you have to install the flash alert 2 apps, where you can turn on the front or the back flash

jozsi86 said:
Hy,,if you want led notification you have to install the flash alert 2 apps, where you can turn on the front or the back flash
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Hi, thanks for the suggestion! The apps I tried didn't allow front flash, so I quit trying. That one works

How is with baterry life ?
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Hy,,if you want led notification you have to install the flash alert 2 apps, where you can turn on the front or the back flash
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Umi rome have 2 point touch and led notification doesn't work on it.

Unboxing & First Hands-on
Full Review
Camera Samples:
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/ka033r6zc3s64/UMI_Rome_Camera_Samples
Geekbench 3 battery test:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/battery3/182887
Temperature Check:
http://peecee.dk/uploads/122015/IMG_20151231_025419_436.jpg
AMOLED Panel - Model Name: E555HBM2
http://peecee.dk/uploads/122015/s7yler.jpg
http://www.panelook.com/E555HBM2_EDO_5.5_OLED_overview_25401.html

UMI Rome short review
I received an UMI Rome today and made a lot of tests of it and I must say that even for $110 I’m rather disappointed. Here are some of my early findings.
Build quality
The build quality is ok for the price. The phone feels rather solid and weighs 183 grams with screen protector on. But it’s thick and it also feels rather thick and clumsy in the hand. The specs from UMI say 7.9 mm which is a lie even if I measure beside the protruding camera. Beside the camera it’s 9 mm thick and over the camera it’s 10.4 mm. Too thick in my opinion. Also the buttons on the side rattles a bit and feels a bit ”cheap”.
Display
It’s no AMOLED display as far as I can see. On the contrary it seems to be a rather mediocre LCD HD 1280x720 display with not so good viewing angles and a lot of light leakage at the top of the display. If it’s really an AMOLED I wonder how it can have that much light leakage at the top? It’s also no real 2.5D display. The glass has slightly rounded edges but that doesn’t make it 2.5D when there is so much borders on the sides of the display. It just looks 2.5D when the screen is off. The aspect ratio between actual screen and the rest of the front is very good though. The worst downside of the screen is perhaps that it only has a 2-point digitizer. It’s many years since even the cheapest smart phones on the market started to have 5-point touch displays. Really bad. Also the screen has very bad touch sensitivity but probably it gets a bit better if I remove the screen protector.
Radio reception
All radios are suffering from very bad reception. I wonder how they managed to build such a large phone with so bad antennas? The wifi signal is generally 20 dB lower in WiFi Analyzer in the Rome than in my cheap MT6735 reference phone. Also the 4G download speed is low. In Ookla Speedtest I get below 30 Mb/s download speed and below 8 Mb/s upload speed on the same spot as I get 100/40 Mb/s in the MT6735 reference device. The max speed in my 4G network is 100/100 Mb/s on LTE B20. I think the modem in MT6753 is capable of 150 Mb/s download speed and therefor I draw the conclusion that the reception in the Rome is very bad due to bad antennas. Also the GPS reception is very bad. There is no way that I can get a fix inside whereas the MT6735 reference gets a fix in only a few seconds. Even outside it takes a long time to first fix. Seems like antenna problems again. I almost wonder if there’s some production error in my Rome, if all the antennas are wrongly or badly connected somehow? I haven’t tried the BT yet but I suspect that it suffers from the same problem.
Performance
In AnTuTu V6 I get a score of 37,500 which is ok I think. The Mali-T720 GPU in the MT6753 is relatively fast and therefor even most 3D games runs ok. Especially since the GPU only has to drive a HD display. In Geekbench 3 the multi-core score is also ok at 2,900. However, it’s the single-core score that really counts in my opinion and that score is quite low at 620. The low single-core score is reflected in the Sunspider 1.0.2 java test. The Rome needs almost 1200 ms to finish that test with the stock browser. It’s not fair to compare with my $800 iPhone 6S but the 6S finishes the same test almost 6 times faster. One good thing I’ve noticed with all MT6753 devices is that they don’t overheat like the miserable MT6752 SoC does in all devices that I have tested. 5 minutes of HD video in YouTube over WiFi only brings the highest monitored temp in CPU-Z to less than 45°C, whereas the MT6752 easily reaches 70°C.
Cameras
The main camera is quite good but only 8 MP (IMX164 confirmed) interpolated to 13. The photos looks natural in colour and whitebalance, unlike the photos from UMI Hammer 5" for example. Setting the camera resolution to the true resolution, 8 MP in this case, seems to make the photos sharper and better. Maybe because the interpolation mess up the photos. The front camera is a rather bad GC2355 fixed focus 2 MP camera. Maybe good enough for video calls but definitely not good enough for the users who wants to take selfies.
Root
This is the greatest strength of this and other UMI phones. The phone comes pre-rooted with just a flick of a switch. Also SuperSU is already there as soon as you activate developer options and unlock the bootloader. Many thanks to UMI for the initiative to sell the phones pre-rooted (maybe depending on which version of Rome it is for different markets?). Also the Rootjoy PC software deserves a lot of cred even though there’s no other firmware available for the Rome yet (and might never be?).
Software
The phone comes totally free from bloatware. No Chinese crapware and not much gapps crap. Again UMI should have a lot of cred for that I think. All there is is just a standard Android 5.1 + SuperSU.
I add a few screen dumps below from some of the tests I made. If I make any new observations worth sharing I will add them in edits below the original post.

MacArthur67 said:
I received an UMI Rome today and made a lot of tests of it and I must say that even for $110 I’m rather disappointed. Here are some of my early findings.
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Thanks for the short interview, I found it very useful. Your review reflects most of the issues which people have complained in Umi forum. I also ordered mine around 2 weeks ago, hoping it will be okay for my usage.

Through rootjoy update firmware to v3.03

themathers said:
Thanks for the short interview, I found it very useful. Your review reflects most of the issues which people have complained in Umi forum. I also ordered mine around 2 weeks ago, hoping it will be okay for my usage.
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The phone is ok but not worth the money really. The battery time turns out to be a lot worse than I thought and there is no way that it's real 2500 mAh. I might test the real capacity over a test load just to prove my point. I did that with the UMI Hammer (the 5", not Hammer S) and it turned out that the specs were greatly exaggerated (not to say faked). I found a lot of other small bugs and problems in the Rome also but hopefully some of them will be fixed with firmware upgrades soon.
I think that the Elephone M2 (same SoC) is a lot better buy at 150 USD (what I paid on pre-order in October 2015), which really means a lot because I don't like the Elephone brand.

MacArthur67 said:
The phone is ok but not worth the money really. The battery time turns out to be a lot worse than I thought and there is no way that it's real 2500 mAh. I might test the real capacity over a test load just to prove my point. I did that with the UMI Hammer (the 5", not Hammer S) and it turned out that the specs were greatly exaggerated (not to say faked). I found a lot of other small bugs and problems in the Rome also but hopefully some of them will be fixed with firmware upgrades soon.
I think that the Elephone M2 (same SoC) is a lot better buy at 150 USD (what I paid on pre-order in October 2015), which really means a lot because I don't like the Elephone brand.
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Yea, I received the phone. The build is quite good, but the touch screen quality is quite bad, and camera quality does not do better. It's been one day, so I am still trying to see what I can do to improve. I also got Iron Pro for myself, Rome is for my gf, and Iron Pro is quite good though. Umi does produce a nice design and good build phones, but they should do better with their software. And they should stop using false/hype marketing like big companies, they shouldn't do that with their growing reputation *crossed fingers for new update

Has G4 got the best camera?

Hi there everyone...
I'm currently using Nokia 808 whose camera is fantastico and an android phone whose camera is just ok. Planning on getting a cellfone whose camera is... if not better, then atleast comparable to that of 808. So, has G4 got the best camera currently available in the market?

The G4 does have one of the best cameras, maybe head to head with the Galaxy S6 series and the Sony Z5. However, after owning all of the others I prefer the LG G4 because of the manual camera controls and RAW, but the Z5 indeed focuses faster and has some nice features, tough lacking manual controls.

Thanks man. I once had Sony Z3 compact but didn't like its colors so returned it back.

jamaljan said:
Hi there everyone...
I'm currently using Nokia 808 whose camera is fantastico and an android phone whose camera is just ok. Planning on getting a cellfone whose camera is... if not better, then atleast comparable to that of 808. So, has G4 got the best camera currently available in the market?
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Hi . I have an 808 and also an LG G4 and I can give you a couple of remarks:
-in strong daylight the 8MP 808 jpeg has a bit more details (default settings, no extra sharpening) than the G4 raw, but the LG has much better white ballance- truer colours.
-in low light and indoors the LG is king, the 1.8 aperture lens is fantastic in capturing all the light it can. Because of the very good OIS you can switch to manual mode and take pictures handheld with an exposure of half a second if your hands are steady enough. I also took amazing pictures using the 30 seconds exposure using a tripod . Of course if you need to freeze an image the 808 xenon takes lead.
The LG has outstanding focus compared to the 808 who most often than not fails to focus on the desired objects. Its jpegs have a little too much sharpening tough , especially when comparing with the 808, but its not always a bad thing. You will be better served by using raw though.
I also had in the last year a Lumia 930, an S5, a note 4, and I can tell you nothing comes close to the LG when it cames to the camera.
Would I recommend it ? Oh yeah.

I love my G4 camera. I was just in Iceland and saw the northern lights. They were very pale but with manual mode i managed to take them!
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costindaemon said:
Hi . I have an 808 and also an LG G4 and I can give you a couple of remarks:
-in strong daylight the 8MP 808 jpeg has a bit more details (default settings, no extra sharpening) than the G4 raw, but the LG has much better white ballance- truer colours.
-in low light and indoors the LG is king, the 1.8 aperture lens is fantastic in capturing all the light it can. Because of the very good OIS you can switch to manual mode and take pictures handheld with an exposure of half a second if your hands are steady enough. I also took amazing pictures using the 30 seconds exposure using a tripod . Of course if you need to freeze an image the 808 xenon takes lead.
The LG has outstanding focus compared to the 808 who most often than not fails to focus on the desired objects. Its jpegs have a little too much sharpening tough , especially when comparing with the 808, but its not always a bad thing. You will be better served by using raw though.
I also had in the last year a Lumia 930, an S5, a note 4, and I can tell you nothing comes close to the LG when it cames to the camera.
Would I recommend it ? Oh yeah.
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thanks, its quite helpful. Hopefully G4 will produce good results just like my 808. However, I usually use my phone to take pictures of my kids and lots of them. So, taking pictures in RAW and editing them is not an option for me.
What do you have to say about the sound quality of G4? I just saw a video comparison of G4 and S6 - the sound on S6 seemed better. If you compare the audio recorded in 808 video, how is the result of the audio track in videos recorded by G4? (when you watch them on a PC/laptop)

jamaljan said:
thanks, its quite helpful. Hopefully G4 will produce good results just like my 808. However, I usually use my phone to take pictures of my kids and lots of them. So, taking pictures in RAW and editing them is not an option for me.
What do you have to say about the sound quality of G4? I just saw a video comparison of G4 and S6 - the sound on S6 seemed better. If you compare the audio recorded in 808 video, how is the result of the audio track in videos recorded by G4? (when you watch them on a PC/laptop)
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The G4 has good mikes but , to my knowledge it does not have the high amplitude mikes like the 808. When recording, sound is good but not great.
So , your mileage may vary, I am satisfied by the sound quality but is by no means a contender to recording concerts. To do that you may be better served by a Lumia 950 - 950 XL.
The jpeg of the G4 are very nice if you don't zoom a lot into your images. There are compromises , evidently.
If Nokia still made phones, and used the 808 sensor with a high performance OIS and raw , it would be a dream cameraphone. Sadly , there is only G4 and maybe Lumia 950-950 XL , but the Lumia is plagued by numerous bugs so far.
I am happy with my G4, great performance, good battery, very good screen, good speaker and antenna performance. Take care though to buy a G4 with warranty, there are some troubles with some series.

The LG G4 has great mics for recording concert :
I recorded Lifehouse in Paris Bataclan (yes where the terrorist attack happened)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74RdMUSosHE
But you can't zoom in landscape mode otherwise the sound will activate a "zoom mode". But you can zoom in portrait mode without having sound problem. That's why I didn't zoom in my video.
Note : I might had one of my finger of the left mic. Listen it loud with headphone !

costindaemon said:
Hi . I have an 808 and also an LG G4 and I can give you a couple of remarks:
-in strong daylight the 8MP 808 jpeg has a bit more details (default settings, no extra sharpening) than the G4 raw, but the LG has much better white ballance- truer colours.
-in low light and indoors the LG is king, the 1.8 aperture lens is fantastic in capturing all the light it can. Because of the very good OIS you can switch to manual mode and take pictures handheld with an exposure of half a second if your hands are steady enough. I also took amazing pictures using the 30 seconds exposure using a tripod . Of course if you need to freeze an image the 808 xenon takes lead.
The LG has outstanding focus compared to the 808 who most often than not fails to focus on the desired objects. Its jpegs have a little too much sharpening tough , especially when comparing with the 808, but its not always a bad thing. You will be better served by using raw though.
I also had in the last year a Lumia 930, an S5, a note 4, and I can tell you nothing comes close to the LG when it cames to the camera.
Would I recommend it ? Oh yeah.
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costindaemon said:
The G4 has good mikes but , to my knowledge it does not have the high amplitude mikes like the 808. When recording, sound is good but not great.
So , your mileage may vary, I am satisfied by the sound quality but is by no means a contender to recording concerts. To do that you may be better served by a Lumia 950 - 950 XL.
The jpeg of the G4 are very nice if you don't zoom a lot into your images. There are compromises , evidently.
If Nokia still made phones, and used the 808 sensor with a high performance OIS and raw , it would be a dream cameraphone. Sadly , there is only G4 and maybe Lumia 950-950 XL , but the Lumia is plagued by numerous bugs so far.
I am happy with my G4, great performance, good battery, very good screen, good speaker and antenna performance. Take care though to buy a G4 with warranty, there are some troubles with some series.
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Thanks man. The issue here is that G4 is not widely available. I'm getting one which has a 7 days checking & replacement warranty. And now after your post am worried since if there will be issues I'll be screwed as the price is quite high. What to do...

Well, I loved the phone too much and bought it without a warranty. So far so good. There are bad batches with every product. I've been pretty lucky with my phones so far and thought to choose to be optimistic. You will have a better chance of trouble free product with the ones manufactured after September 2015.

costindaemon said:
Well, I loved the phone too much and bought it without a warranty. So far so good. There are bad batches with every product. I've been pretty lucky with my phones so far and thought to choose to be optimistic. You will have a better chance of trouble free product with the ones manufactured after September 2015.
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how do I find out that the product that am purchasing is manufactured after September 2015 ? specially since am from Pakistan so the batches that we have here have been imported which takes times so maybe they are old batches?

jamaljan said:
how do I find out that the product that am purchasing is manufactured after September 2015 ? specially since am from Pakistan so the batches that we have here have been imported which takes times so maybe they are old batches?
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Check the box or the back of the phone (behind the battery) if the Serial Number does not starts with 505-509.
Mine was 505 (means 201505 - May and the motherboard was already replaced - covered by EU warranty )
So you should get an unit starting with 510 or higher.

davebugyi said:
Check the box or the back of the phone (behind the battery) if the Serial Number does not starts with 505-509.
Mine was 505 (means 201505 - May and the motherboard was already replaced - covered by EU warranty )
So you should get an unit starting with 510 or higher.
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Thanks so I should only buy something whose serial n. starts with 510 or higher and not less, correct? :good:

jamaljan said:
Thanks so I should only buy something whose serial n. starts with 510 or higher and not less, correct? :good:
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Yes, just to be on the safe side, as davebugyi also said.

dears, the model no. is H818P and Serial No. starts with 512. Should I go ahead and buy it?

Sounds as safe as you can be. Go for it.