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Nokia Lumia Hype??

Sorry for the dissertation, but this just seemed to never end once I started to write. Feel free to read as little or much as you want, and comment on any combination of thoughts found below. If you just want to skim, I tried to bold the jist of each paragraph, to give you a quick idea of what I am talking about.
Question: Does anyone really understand all the Nokia Lumia (specifically the 900) hype surrounding its release?
I just fail to quite understand why exactly this phone is supposed to be the WP7 savior (the same having been said for the 710/800, which you can't even buy yet, on the att website that is). Its been toughted as the first real windows phone, but I just don't see it.
From the outside looking in, its specs are basically shared with the Titan and Focus S, both of which will have been released for 6+ or so months before the 900 hits my shelves in the states. Same ish processor, RAM, storage, screen size, etc.
Now the camera is supposed to be superior, because of its designer, Carl Zeiss, and his optics technology. I have never heard of this fellow, and maybe he's the best thing since sliced bread for mobile platform cameras, and maybe the Lumia phone will have the best ever camera experience for a mobile, or maybe not, I have not seen any reviews yet so its still up in the air. My Focus S basically shares its camera with the Galaxy S2, which has been toughted as a fantastic phone camera, rivaling that of the iPhone 4S, and takes decent pictures IMO. So what if the Nokia Lumia 900 phone has a good camera, so do many other phones, and if you really want a good picture, you know you are not getting it from a cell phone.
I can't speak to its slightly different processor, I don't know if its any faster than the snapdragon in the Titan and Focus S, but I have not read anything, anywhere, that suggests that it should be. The proc runs at the same clock speed, and seems to share similar architecture, so I assume its probably about the same speed. There are lots of specifics that affect phone speed, and who knows what all in the Nokia may, but the Titan benchmarks slower than the Focus S, and has an overclocked proc., so go figure.
Its form factor is shared by the Focus S, as is its screen size. Now I will say that I do like the squarish figure. I enjoyed the feel of the Flash in my hand, and was disappointed the Focus S wasn't the same shape, but I know most people have different views on this, so I can't see it as a game changer either. I prefer the Focus S lightweight, flexing plastic feel, to the hard metal finish on the Titan, that to me feels like a brick. Maybe the polycarbonate finish of the Lumia feels better, maybe not. But I am willing to bet some people will like it while others will see it as plastic and cheap.
Its screen is AMOLED, what Nokia calls a ClearBlack. I hear its screen is supposed to perform better in direct sun light, but my Focus S looks fine to me. And hell, some people prefer the Titan screen to the Focus S any who, so again, nothing grand here.
Yes it will have certain Nokia only apps. But those who really want them already have them, so its really a moot point.
The only real bonus I see is the 4G LTE, as opposed to the current 4G HSPA+ that the 2nd gen phones have. But hell, I never get anywhere near the max throughput of my phone as it is, and rarely use it outside of WiFi because its just too damned slow. I don't see ATTs network magically becoming much faster over night, perhaps somewhere down the road, but who knows, probably not even ATT. Maybe this is a deal break for some people, but to me, carrier networks are still too far behind the speeds we expect to see and compete with our home networks from Comcast and Fios.
Now, knowing what I know about the Lumia, if I were to get a phone when it comes out, I would probably get the Lumia, over the Titan or Focus S, simply because its something new, Nokia is a good manufacturer, and I like the square look. But if Microsoft, or Nokia, expect people to flock and purchase this phone OOC, or instead of a high end Android or iPhone, I don't see their hopes and dreams coming true, unless someone just really wants the newest windows phone released, because nothing about it says anything other than "I am no different that the 2nd gen phones released last year.". If people did not want them then, and chose something else instead, they probably don't want them now, either.
Again, its basically a Focus S with LTE, but its being talked about as though its something grander and far superior to whats currently available. IMO, windows phones don't need specs like Android, my phone OS is faster than any other phone I tested, including the 4S and Skyrocket. But if they expect me to upgrade, and pay money to do so, they are going to have to give me more than an incremental upgrade, and really convince me that I am purchasing a superior, more advanced product, otherwise I will just save my money and stick with what I have got, which is pretty dern good.
Is there something I am missing? Am i the only one who just doesn't get it? Thoughts?

Oops, once again I accidentally hit the thanks button. oO Anyways.. I think it's not the specs that makes the Lumia (800 or 900) so compelling. It's just its design. Its look and feel (in your hands). Windows Phone looks totally different from any other mobile OS on the market. So does the Lumia (if you leave the N9 aside, that is ). It doesn't have the generic over and over reused look that Samsung und especially HTC devices use to have.

No. I think that pretty much covers it.
I think it is the long term strategy between Nokia and Microsoft that is the difference and not just the current product line. MS actions clearly tell the story that they are ready to sacrifice today for the right answer tomorrow.

dkp1977 said:
Oops, once again I accidentally hit the thanks button. oO Anyways.. I think it's not the specs that makes the Lumia (800 or 900) so compelling. It's just its design. Its look and feel (in your hands). Windows Phone looks totally different from any other mobile OS on the market. So does the Lumia (if you leave the N9 aside, that is ). It doesn't have the generic over and over reused look that Samsung und especially HTC devices use to have.
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i mentioned that a bit - i have never felt a similar nokia device, so I cant comment in its feel, but the look is appealing - if I were OOC I would get it, because I love the WP OS, and its the newest thing to get, but if I am an iPhone fanboy, there is just nothing special

On your bulletin about the Lumia 800 or 900 potentially feeling 'cheap... the answer is a very loud no.
I got the chance to man handle the Lumia 800 at a Windows Phone camp last November in Nokia San Diego and was awestruck at the feel of the device. You really need to hold in person to judge it, but most major editorial tech news site layers it with praise in regard to the design and feel of it. I haven't seen anyone even come close to calling it 'cheap'.
The Lumia 900 I played with at CES. They didn't have any on display to touch, but I convinced a rep to let me see his and again, same wow factor the 800 has.
However, I give the slight edget to the 800 since the display is curved and it really makes the device 'flow' in your hand.
Now, the spec argument is dead with any Windows Phone device. Looking at what device you can buy today, every Windows Phone holds its own very well against other smartphones in terms of everyday use. Yes, Android phones can do random CPU or GPU stuff faster, but when it comes down to using your phone WP rocks. See those videos by Ben the PC Guy to get an idea.
The reason why this device is expected to be the savior can be attributed more to the relationship between Microsoft and Nokia. It will be the first phone that the two push really hard here in the US. Sure the 710 has been out for a month, but the 900 will be so in your face that it will get people to stop and notice.

First, polycarbonate is not plastic.
Otherwise, form factor, screen, Nokia exclusive apps and games that NOT just anyone can get as you seem to think, I could go on.

@OP - The hype is that Microsoft/Nokia apparently think it's 2009. And they're extremely happy about this brand new game-upper of a device.

z33dev33l said:
First, polycarbonate is not plastic.
Otherwise, form factor, screen, Nokia exclusive apps and games that NOT just anyone can get as you seem to think, I could go on.
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Yes actually, it is plastic.
Polycarbonates, known by the trademarked names Lexan, Makrolon, Makroclear and others, are a particular group of thermoplastic polymers. They are easily worked, molded, and thermoformed. Because of these properties, polycarbonates find many applications. Polycarbonates do not have a unique plastic identification code and are identified as Other, 7.
Polycarbonates received their name because they are polymers containing carbonate groups (–O–(C=O)–O–). Most polycarbonates of commercial interest are derived from rigid monomers. A balance of useful features including temperature resistance, impact resistance and optical properties position polycarbonates between commodity plastics and engineering plastics.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate
A plastic material is any of a wide range of synthetic or semi-synthetic organic solids that are moldable. Plastics are typically organic polymers of high molecular mass, but they often contain other substances. They are usually synthetic, most commonly derived from petrochemicals, but many are partially natural.[1]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic

gonintendo said:
Yes actually, it is plastic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic
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Polycarbonate is a plastic, however it is not to be confused with other more commonly used plastics derived from ethylene and propylene.
The properties and uses of a polycarbonate are so different from even a high density polyethylene plastic that it is hard to classify the 2 in the same category.
I bring up polyethylene and polypropylene because when people use the term plastic, typically they are referring to these. Not everyone has a degree in chemical engineering and a history in polymer chemistry, however I do and I find your comment ridiculous.
On a side note I do want to congratulate you on the ability to to use wikipedia. You just proved how good information used in the wrong hands makes ignorant people feel intelligent.

jz9833 said:
Polycarbonate is a plastic, however it is not to be confused with other more commonly used plastics derived from ethylene and propylene.
The properties and uses of a polycarbonate are so different from even a high density polyethylene plastic that it is hard to classify the 2 in the same category.
I bring up polyethylene and polypropylene because when people use the term plastic, typically they are referring to these. Not everyone has a degree in chemical engineering and a history in polymer chemistry, however I do and I find your comment ridiculous.
On a side note I do want to congratulate you on the ability to to use wikipedia. You just proved how good information used in the wrong hands makes ignorant people feel intelligent.
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The fact of the matter is that polycarbonate is a plastic. It's a great plastic for making a phone with, different from what's usually used, but it's still a plastic. What people refer to when they say plastic and how commonly used it is doesn't change that. It's like saying mercury isn't a metal because when people think of metals, they think of steel and aluminum. And pardon me for trying to back my claim up with evidence.

It may be a plastic...but is an awesome one for making a phone. It isn't like buying a cheap plastic phone.

Wow, this thread has gone sideways. I thought this was a valid question that I have even found my self asking.
Nice, but so what?
I personally am glad to see Nokia entering the market in the states again. I swore by Nokia phones when they were available. They are certainly a nice product, but there are other ones too. It is good to have another quality manufacturer still in the game.
At the end of the day, MS is strugling in the phone OS business and Nokia was strugling in the Hardware (and OS) business. Together, they garner significant press and attention from the investment community.
Together they make hype....
Simply put; the hype is self serving to win market share and clearly doing ok. There is no such thing as bad press, even a thread gone sideways.

N!njaDuck said:
Wow, this thread has gone sideways. I thought this was a valid question that I have even found my self asking.
Nice, but so what?
I personally am glad to see Nokia entering the market in the states again. I swore by Nokia phones when they were available. They are certainly a nice product, but there are other ones too. It is good to have another quality manufacturer still in the game.
At the end of the day, MS is strugling in the phone OS business and Nokia was strugling in the Hardware (and OS) business. Together, they garner significant press and attention from the investment community.
Together they make hype....
Simply put; the hype is self serving to win market share and clearly doing ok. There is no such thing as bad press, even a thread gone sideways.
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Agree with you on all but one minor detail, nokia has been consistently putting out really nice hardware since they finally ditched resistive touchscreens. (The N8 and onward, iirc). It was pretty much just their software that was holding them back. (And even then, there were and still are are symbian diehards.) The E7 specifically is one of the nicest looking and feeling phones I've ever seen. Before that, I thought it was impossible to make a phone with a landscape keyboard look nice.

z33dev33l said:
First, polycarbonate is not plastic.
Otherwise, form factor, screen, Nokia exclusive apps and games that NOT just anyone can get as you seem to think, I could go on.
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jz9833 said:
Polycarbonate is a plastic, however it is not to be confused with other more commonly used plastics derived from ethylene and propylene.
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Hmm... So it is a plastic?

Nokia = name brand. Known by us older generation as the very high quality almost unkillable phones of our times. I had an old nokia that i dropped in the snow once. I ran over it 4 times with my truck while it was out there. 4 days later i found it. Damn thing still was working. You couldn't read the display as it got cracked but it still dialed and answered calls.
Nokia is also known for innovation. I had a nokia that would do exchange, but wasn't a smart phone. The phone actually split into a keyboard so that half the querty was on the left side and half was on the right of the screen.
http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/nokia-6800-unlocked/4505-6454_7-30532370.html
How many phones of that time did that? And look at the style of that phone. For it's time it stood out.
Most nokias were traded in, or donated in still working condition after you upgraded to the next.
So the sheer thought of a premium nokia handset that looks like the lumina 900 with Super plastic as you guys have pointed out, that doesn't feel like plastic, and clear black display - it frankly makes my generation druel (i'm 37). Don't get me wrong, i love my titan, but i would give it up for the nokia in a heartbeat even though i know i would be losing a replaceable battery and going a little smaller screen size wise then my titan's massive and awesome 4.7
Nokia also has all the contacts. They are one of the biggest phone manufactures to the globe. (note i didn't say smartphone). If they can bring windows phone to most of those customers, you are going to see it take off. In each country that nokia has released a new phone, so far sales have skyrocketed. Places are selling out.. Nokia is bringing marketing to the platform that was never attempted by other oems - like there life depends on it (which it does).
So that my friend is the hype - at least for me.

grimchicken402 said:
Hmm... So it is a plastic?
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ROTFLMAO......

This phone definitely doesn't feel cheap.
Something that Nokia has done very well is consider how the device will feel in the hand (not counting low-end phones). Every mid to high-end Nokia I've had has felt amazing and never ever cheap. And I've been buying their more expensive devices ever since the 7210 came out almost a decade ago.
The 800 is so solid and sexy. I don't mind the specs of the Focus S, but at the AT&T store they've had to tape the back cover to it because it keeps popping off with the security thingy glued to it. I also really really really hate the feel of actual plastic. Polycarbonate feels dense.
Wait til I post the results of my accidental "drop test". Was in the case and flew out of my pocket onto pavement, hit the corner near the audio jack, landed on the display and slid. There's a tiny nick out of the corner and a 1-2mm scratch on the glass, outside of the display. There are also a few tiny, tiny marks that look like small hairs that you want to blow off the screen that can only be seen while black and clean.
Needless to say, I was hoping that I'd have gone about a year before dropping the device... not 3 weeks, but am super impressed with how it handled the impact.

its good to get some input from some people who have actually had some face time with the devices
and I purposefully used the term "plastic" to describe its material composition, a. because I knew it was plastic, but more so b. because I figured it would stir debate over its feel and form factor.
so what it seems to boil down to is, its not so much the device or its specs, although by all accounts it looks to be the best WP yet, although not leaps and bounds better than previous offerings. its not so much its form factor, although it seems to be of high quality and feel. its more about the name recognition and marketing that should coincide with its release that should stir the market into finally recognizing the WP OS and its phones.
lets hope it works.

windows phone 8 will be cool-till then android baby!

Question: Does anyone really understand all the Nokia Lumia (specifically the 900) hype surrounding its release?
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I'm thinking its because it's hype. No one has used the device, and the current lumia users are having quite a few issues with their devices. That's not to say that Nokia and Microsoft isn't repairing the issues, but as far as first devices goes, you don't want to have many big issues. I think the main hype is besides the N8, this is the bonafide first Nokia phone that's getting a somewhat bigger push than any phone Nokia previously released
So what if the Nokia Lumia 900 phone has a good camera, so do many other phones, and if you really want a good picture, you know you are not getting it from a cell phone.
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very true, but if anything, people don't want to invest so much in "just a camera" and would prefer to consolidate when necessary. It's a futile argument I do admit, but its one many people have. It's also why the apple iphone camera painstakingly tries to get the best photographic experience for casual users
Its form factor is shared by the Focus S, as is its screen size. Now I will say that I do like the squarish figure. I enjoyed the feel of the Flash in my hand, and was disappointed the Focus S wasn't the same shape, but I know most people have different views on this, so I can't see it as a game changer either. I prefer the Focus S lightweight, flexing plastic feel, to the hard metal finish on the Titan, that to me feels like a brick. Maybe the polycarbonate finish of the Lumia feels better, maybe not. But I am willing to bet some people will like it while others will see it as plastic and cheap.
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I think most realize its polycarbonate, a totally different beast.
I reviewed the focus s and it was the first phone I did review. And sadly, I wasn't enthused, I wasn't impressed with it, and overall I just felt the device itself was mediocre. Especially with the brightness issue that the focus s had that wasn't on the focus flash - a phone I would prefer over its big brother any day of the week.
Its screen is AMOLED, what Nokia calls a ClearBlack. I hear its screen is supposed to perform better in direct sun light, but my Focus S looks fine to me. And hell, some people prefer the Titan screen to the Focus S any who, so again, nothing grand here.
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compare the screen to the focus flash and you will writhe in disappointment of the focus s screen in terms of brightness and contrast. Super Amoled+ has better and richer colors, but overall it just wasn't that great.
The titan screen while huge, wasn't much to write home about. For some reason, the bigger the screen on slcd on windows phone, the worst the quality gets. I am perfectly loving the htc radar screen because it is just leaps and bounds above the titan screen. Higher DPI, more color richness, definitely a great screen
Yes it will have certain Nokia only apps. But those who really want them already have them, so its really a moot point.
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I think apps are very important and a great selling point for any phone. And that matters to have more apps that many would find on competing factors. It's not a moot point in the eye of the average user who is used to using a plethora of apps
Now, knowing what I know about the Lumia, if I were to get a phone when it comes out, I would probably get the Lumia, over the Titan or Focus S, simply because its something new, Nokia is a good manufacturer, and I like the square look. But if Microsoft, or Nokia, expect people to flock and purchase this phone OOC, or instead of a high end Android or iPhone, I don't see their hopes and dreams coming true
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Agreed. Now tell that to some other wp7 users...watch a flame war spark
Again, its basically a Focus S with LTE
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little bit premature to say that considering you've never used the device. just saying

Lumia 900 problems?

Now that we are nearing the release of the Lumia 900, we hear many things that reviwers are gripping about. Number one thing I thought was fixed was the Camera. What seems to be the big problem with this compared to the iphone 4s which carries the same megapixel lens. Are the devices being shipped with the fix that Nokia did for the 800 series

Test shots with the demos in my store are very nice and easily as good as a 4s imo. You do have to have a steady hand though I've noticed.

Watching more reviews, I thought the battery life was suppose to be overwhelming, Sounds like the battery life doenst last much longer than the competitors with LTE

From the specs and sample photos the camera on the Lumia 900 is quite good (for a cellphone) but not great. For details take a look at this article:
NOKIA LUMIA 900 VS. APPLE IPHONE 4S CAMERAS
I think some of the disappointment comes from the high expectations some reviewers have for a top-of-the-line Nokia phone. The N8 set a high bar for camera performance, beating out even $400 compact cameras. But the Nokia Lumia phones aren't aiming for N8 (or even N95) level photography.
The key to a good digital camera is the one spec that is hardly ever published: the size of the image sensor. The sensor is the area that functions as the "film" of the camera, and the bigger the sensor the better the camera. It's the same physical principle that you can better photo print to frame and hang on your wall from a larger negative rather than a smaller one.
The Lumia 900 (and almost every other smartphone) has a 1.7" sensor. In comparison the Nokia N8 has a 1.2" sensor. That's about four times larger than a standard smartphone. (Which is also why the N8 is a bulky little thing and not a uber-thin smartphone.)
I know those numbers probably don't mean anything to you, but here is a visualization of sensor sizes.
Nokia’s 41-Megapixel Camera Phone Sensor Compared to Other Sensors
The point is, the Lumias aren't designed to inherit the N8's camera phone crown. That honor goes to the Nokia Pureview which puts a huge 1.12" sensor in a phone to produce a 41 megapixel image. That's closer to a compact DSLR than any kind of point-and-shoot sensor.
So the Lumia 900 camera can be fairly compared with the HTC Titan and the iPhone. But the N8 and Pureview are far out of its league.

My experiences using 8 different WP devices

After trying 8 different Windows Phone 7/7.5 devices in the last year and a half, I have decided to compile my opinions on each and rank them from best to worst.
Keep in mind that these are just my opinions on devices I've owned based on the experiences I've had with each...yours may be different.
1. Samsung Focus S
Pros
Best screen available for a WP device
Excellent speaker and call quality
Thin, light, fast
Super easy to interop unlock and debrand
Has all available hardware that WP7 currently supports (apart from LTE)
Very fast HSPA+ connection (Faster than Lumia 900 and Titan's HSPA+)
Cons
Battery doesn't last as long as other WP7 devices
Headphones audio quality and volume isn't as good as some other devices
2. HTC Titan
Pros
Largest and good quality screen
Very good camera exclusive features and sound enhancements
Excellent build and speaker
Great battery life
Cons
Can't be dev/interop unlocked
Mediocre call quality/reception
Unlocked AT&T devices can't enable internet sharing on other carriers
3. Samsung Focus
Pros
Good OLED screen (pentile though)
Very easy to unlock and enable internet sharing for any carrier
Has custom ROMs
Great speaker and call quality
micro SD card support
Cons
Build quality is poor and feels cheap
Gen 1 device that is missing some features newer WP7.5 devices have
4. LG Optimus 7
Pros
Very solid and sturdy build
Very stable. Least bugs experienced.
Easy to dev unlock
Internet sharing update possible for most if device is flashed to a different region
Cons
Lackluster screen and speaker
Gen 1 device that is missing some features newer WP7.5 devices have
5. Nokia Lumia 710
Pros
Solid build
Exclusive Nokia apps make a difference
Call quality and reception are great
Custom ROM may be possible
Supports Tmobile AWS frequency and AT&T 4G
Cons
Questionable battery life
Missing some hardware features
Internet sharing not yet available
6. Nokia Lumia 900
Pros
Gorgeous hardware and design
Gorgeous screen
Exclusive Nokia apps make a difference
Call quality and reception are great
LTE support
Unique design
Cons
Buggy with software issues even after the patch update
Camera is terrible
Can't be dev/interop unlocked
7. LG Quantum
Pros
Has a hardware keyboard
Easy to dev unlock
Cons
Screen and speaker are poor
Unappealing design and hardware
Heavy
Gen 1 device that is missing some features newer WP7.5 devices have
8. HTC HD7
Pros
Custom ROMs
Easily unlockable
Cons
Poor screen
Poor build quality
Poor battery life
Gen 1 device that is missing some features newer WP7.5 devices have
If you are in the market for a Windows Phone 7.5 device and want the best device available, I would recommend the Samsung Focus S based on my experiences with multiple devices and hardware vendors.
I am aware that there are some interesting devices I've not yet used such as Dell Venue Pro, Titan II...and even the Fujitsu 32GB waterproof device, which may be a solid purchase as well.

Thanks for your opinion but it's very subjective... For example, what do you mean by (for Samsung Focus) "Build quality is poor and feels cheap"? I don't think so. Also, that sentence "Gen 1 device that is missing some features newer WP7.5 devices have"... Why don't you wrote about "low screen resolution" like some noobs here?
Another one: for Lumia 900 you wrote "Camera is terrible" what is completely not true. Lumia's 900 camera isn't "terrible" just regular (comparing with the other WP7 devices). If you expect something really amazing (like Nokia 808 PureView camera) - it's your personal problem)
P.S. I'm tried 6 of listed handsets and can't agree with you in many cases...

sensboston said:
Thanks for your opinion but it's very subjective... For example, what do you mean by (for Samsung Focus) "Build quality is poor and feels cheap"? I don't think so. Also, that sentence "Gen 1 device that is missing some features newer WP7.5 devices have"... Why don't you wrote about "low screen resolution" like some noobs here?
Another one: for Lumia 900 you wrote "Camera is terrible" what is completely not true. Lumia's 900 camera isn't "terrible" just regular (comparing with the other WP7 devices). If you expect something really amazing (like Nokia 808 PureView camera) - it's your personal problem)
P.S. I'm tried 6 of listed handsets and can't agree with you in many cases...
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If you look up most reviews on the Focus, they mention that Samsung focus feels plastic-like and cheap. For example -http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/22/samsung-focus-review/
And this was when this phone came out in 2010. By 2012 standards its build is downright poor. Feels like a toy and very loose compared to something solid like Nokia 900 or LG Optimus 7.
Gen1 device/missing features stands for missing front facing camera, HSPA+ and other features found on gen 2 devices hardware wise that gen 1 don't have. It is something one should consider in my opinion.
And compared to other WP devices, I found Lumia 900 as a point and shoot to be terrible. It can take decent pictures only when conditions are ideal. Low light shots, or closed quarters close up shots are worst I've seen on any smartphone for at least 3 years. I can post some test shots I've taken with the Lumia if you want to see what I mean...
Keep in mind I am not trying to argue with you.
I respect everyone's opinions, and am just defending my statements above...

I agree on the subjectivity. Battery life is very important to me so the Focus S would never be at the top of my list. But that is me.
1. Battery
2. Build quality
3. Screen quality(not size)
4. Camera

disolitude said:
If you look up most reviews on the Focus, they mention that Samsung focus feels plastic-like and cheap.
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I don't need to look up the reviews 'cause I own Focus; also, I'm working for company specialized in mobile platforms development so I do have an experience in handsets comparison! Focus isn't cheap; and build quality is OK. Try to define your "cheap" first. Right now I do have 5 handsets in front of me, on my desk: Focus, HTC Incredible, HTC Surround, Galaxy S2, and iPhone 3gs. Can't call any of these handsets "cheap" but Incredible has a "cheapest" look... Focus and Galaxy S2 are sharing the top place for me.
P.S. Today I'll try Lumia 900 camera by myself (brand new handset is waiting for me home ), you don't need to post your pictures (better I'll post mine)

nicksti said:
I agree on the subjectivity. Battery life is very important to me so the Focus S would never be at the top of my list. But that is me.
1. Battery
2. Build quality
3. Screen quality(not size)
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While I agree that there are different needs, I don't think there is a category rule you can use to determine the best device.
For me it's more of a combination of things and how it all comes together as an experience.
I think Nokia Lumia 900 would be my favorite device if it didn't have the software bugs it did. (Even after the update). It could meet all of your requirements, but with bugs its not a great experience...
Getting SMS notifications when they arrive and not having to check if your data is working every 30 minutes kinda overshadows the great battery, screen quality and build quality imo.

sensboston said:
I don't need to look up the reviews 'cause I own Focus; also, I'm working for company specialized in mobile platforms development so I do have an experience in handsets comparison! Focus isn't cheap; and build quality is OK. Try to define your "cheap" first. Right now I do have 5 handsets in front of me, on my desk: Focus, HTC Incredible, HTC Surround, Galaxy S2, and iPhone 3gs. Can't call any of these handsets "cheap" but Incredible has a "cheapest" look... Focus and Galaxy S2 are sharing the top place for me.
P.S. Today I'll try Lumia 900 camera by myself (brand new handset is waiting for me home ), you don't need to post your pictures (better I'll post mine)
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The focus does feel cheap. I have one and it just feels like plastic, which picks up scuffs and scratches like crazy. I'm betting he means "cheap" as in the materials used feel low quality and I agree.

red12355 said:
The focus does feel cheap. I have one and it just feels like plastic, which picks up scuffs and scratches like crazy. I'm betting he means "cheap" as in the materials used feel low quality and I agree.
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This is correct. Materials used and the way its put together makes it feel cheep to me.

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The focus does feel cheap. I have one and it just feels like plastic, which picks up scuffs and scratches like crazy. I'm betting he means "cheap" as in the materials used feel low quality and I agree.
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I've put silicon case and screen protector on my Focus at the very first week; and phone is in the perfect (like a brand new) shape now. Could recommend you to do the same for all your "looks expensive" handsets
P.S. However, I definitely should stop writing in "General" forum - people here listen to themselves only...

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I've put silicon case and screen protector on my Focus at the very first week; and phone is in the perfect (like a brand new) shape now. Could recommend you to do the same for all your "looks expensive" handsets
P.S. However, I definitely should stop writing in "General" forum - people here listen to themselves only...
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Some people may not actually want to cover up the design aesthetic of their phones. Sure, a silicon case will protect it, but it they may derive little pleasure from knowing that it's save vs. looking nice.
I prefer the look and feel of my Cyan Lumia 800 OUT of the included case. Yes, the case it nice, AND it's much safer to have the case on; but that comes at the cost of me enjoying its aesthetic less.
It's a gamble/tradeoff either way.

anseio, agree with you but it's definitely not a point to say "that phone is CHEAP". You know, I may give my brand new Lumia 900 to my two years old daughter playing in the sandbox. Guess how the great "expensive looking" Nokia will looks after half an hour? Worse than "the cheap"? I think so. And it's exactly my point.
Samsung Focus is a great handset; absolute champion in WP7 sales last year and phone definitely not "cheap".

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Some people may not actually want to cover up the design aesthetic of their phones. Sure, a silicon case will protect it, but it they may derive little pleasure from knowing that it's save vs. looking nice.
I prefer the look and feel of my Cyan Lumia 800 OUT of the included case. Yes, the case it nice, AND it's much safer to have the case on; but that comes at the cost of me enjoying its aesthetic less.
It's a gamble/tradeoff either way.
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It should be a punishable crime to put the Lumia 800 (or 900) in a case.

red12355 said:
The focus does feel cheap. I have one and it just feels like plastic, which picks up scuffs and scratches like crazy. I'm betting he means "cheap" as in the materials used feel low quality and I agree.
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There is cheap and there is inexpensive. The Focus, which I too have owned, feels cheap. There is build quality and quality of build. The Focus seems to be put together very well but the materials used makes the overall feel.... seem cheap. I have an Omnia 7, which for all intents and purposes, is the same device. However it feels much more substantial. The same can be said about the DVP. With the gorilla glass and some metal, it feels like a solid piece of equipment. Spot on with the Quantum though.

sensboston said:
Samsung Focus is a great handset; absolute champion in WP7 sales last year and phone definitely not "cheap".
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I agree that the Focus is great. Hence why Focus is my favorite gen 1 device, despite the plastic feeling, hollow design...

fatclue said:
it feels like a solid piece of equipment
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Hmm, that the point! Someone wants a "solid piece of equipment", I prefer light elegant design with the brilliant screen But... One more time - you can't call phone "cheap" in this case.

Focus S is my device but I run with two batteries
I thought the drain was just me, so I picked up an extra battery. I think mine mostly is because of microcell when I'm not at work my phone last all day when at work 6~ hrs before I give it some attention.

You should try the Omnia7, I'm still rocking it and loving it
I'm going to bypass getting a new phone anytime soon and wait for the Apollo releases.

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You should try the Omnia7, I'm still rocking it and loving it
I'm going to bypass getting a new phone anytime soon and wait for the Apollo releases.
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Sadly none of the carriers in North America have this phone. It did look like a very solid choice when it came out and I thought about importing it... Its essentially a samsung focus with better build quality so it should be one of the best WP devices around.

1st Focus= cheap? no way, maybe you haven't seen cheap, plastic high end phones...
Focus is the engine of the WP train...Maybe it squeaks a bit, but surely CAN take a lot of abuse and never show any signs of that, unlike the metal body of an OMNIA7. Have you seen how a supercar's body shatters upon impact? I bet that feels cheap too... Focus is still the KING of them all,just think about it :unlockable+sd card expansion+best battery life+Amoled screen , what else would you need from a 2 years old device ....
2nd. apart from the FFC, I see no diff from the 1st to the 2nd gen WP devices...I wonder who could tell what gen is a device from seeing and using just the touch screen.
I've also tested a lot devices, even handed some to my family and witnessed the results based on their demands, so here's my top ( I've only had the 900 for a few days but the battery is not impressive ): 1.Focus 2.Focus S 3. Omnia7 if you're kind to the brushed metal body.

htc9420 said:
1st Focus= cheap? no way, maybe you haven't seen cheap, plastic high end phones...
Focus is the engine of the WP train...Maybe it squeaks a bit, but surely CAN take a lot of abuse and never show any signs of that, unlike the metal body of an OMNIA7. Have you seen how a supercar's body shatters upon impact? I bet that feels cheap too... Focus is still the KING of them all,just think about it :unlockable+sd card expansion+best battery life+Amoled screen , what else would you need from a 2 years old device ....
2nd. apart from the FFC, I see no diff from the 1st to the 2nd gen WP devices...I wonder who could tell what gen is a device from seeing and using just the touch screen.
I've also tested a lot devices, even handed some to my family and witnessed the results based on their demands, so here's my top ( I've only had the 900 for a few days but the battery is not impressive ): 1.Focus 2.Focus S 3. Omnia7 if you're kind to the brushed metal body.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but the Omnia 7 does not have a brushed metal body, it is faux brushed polycarbonate (BTW, I own one). It has a metal bezel but that's it. The gorilla glass gives it its heft and thereby "feels" like a more solid device. Honestly, the most solid feeling device is the DVP. The lack of internet sharing (wi-fi) is what has kept me away though. My wife has one and I'm always on it when she's not using it.

It has little to envy to the radar Htc Nokia Lumia 800

Recently I had a Nokia Lumia 800 and yesterday I have my new HTC radar, and the truth the only differences that I see are more in 3 megapixel nokia, 8 gigabytes of internal memory and processor speed increase.
These 2 phones as Qualcomm MSM8255 processor shall know have Adreno GPU 205, the same for the 2, only the Nokia frecuencioa of this peak relog to 1.4 while the radar is a 1 gigahertz.
Probe yesterday my camera photo radar and sincerely removing megapixels has little to envy to the Noiia, Htc this greatly improving their cameras.
I bought the radar because I fell in love with mobile materials and because I read your specifications, alos where Lumia games to play, the play the radar.
you are with me?
a hug from Spain

besides the front camera htc radar has, for me a handicap

Didn't the Radar have a non-removable battery too?
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Didn't the Radar have a non-removable battery too?
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no have removable battery, iqual than the lumia 800

I'm really sorry but what are you trying to say? I dont understand very well
I'm really concerned because i think i'm going to buy a Radar, too

kevin_23 said:
no have removable battery, iqual than the lumia 800
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I know. I just wasn't sure about the Radar. I don't like this trend on all new smartphones not having a removable battery :/
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barclays said:
I'm really sorry but what are you trying to say? I dont understand very well
I'm really concerned because i think i'm going to buy a Radar, too
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what I mean is that costing the radar unless the Lumia nokia 800, there are no major changes unless you need more memory, then if it is better to have 16 gigs Lumia compared to 8 radar.
The camar photo radar is very accomplished and makes some great pictures
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I think he is trying to say that the radar has same specs but costs less than the Lumia
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Also say that in the music department, the radar has srs htc mobile, and note that for helmets ...

The lumia 800 here in australia is worth about $490 dollars unlocked compared to the $380 that you will pay for the HTC Radar. Alternativly the lumia 710 is $329. On pure spec its makes sense to go for the 710, we will assume that the 800 is in a diffrent catagory based upon price. The lumias are second generation a compared to gen 1.5 of the HTC radar. As with all windows phones the diffrence from gen 1,1.5 and 2 is pretty small. Perhaps a small increase in speed and a front facing camera for gen 1.5 and gen 2.
As per the rumor mill it would appear no current phoens will be getting the upgrade to windows phone 8 so there is really no point in the faster processor. The screen on the radar is SLCD and is said to be very good quality even compared to the OLED of teh 710. The radar has a bigger battery and a front facing camer so you have to weigh up if a bigger battery, a slightly larger screen and front facing camera is worth that little extra bit of money.

800 has better build quality, better software, more memory, and better sound quality.

The Radar's design is very meh to say the least IMHO. The screen is also a bit reflective, and to me there's not much room for non amoled panels here on WP7. Anyway, due to the lower clock speed and the bigger battery it should be pretty tough as far as battery life is concerned. Also, Htc phones generally are decent music players (through headsets/earbuds), despite having poor loudspeaker performance. However I don't really care, after using Cowon devices I'll never go back to a phone for my music, no matter what: plugging my headsets to my Lumia is like stabbing my ears compared to what I can get from my J3. Heck, this thing doesn't even have an equalizer
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Another very big downside for Radar: it doesn't have a digital compass (funny given it's called radar LOL )

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800 has better build quality, better software, more memory, and better sound quality.
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are sure that the audio quality of the Lumia 800 is better than the radar? I argue that the srs long while Nokia has no equalizer

kevin_23 said:
are sure that the audio quality of the Lumia 800 is better than the radar? I argue that the srs long while Nokia has no equalizer
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On loudspeaker, yes. I don't think I ever stuck headphones in my radar, I only used it as an interim device for 4 days.

z33dev33l said:
On loudspeaker, yes. I don't think I ever stuck headphones in my radar, I only used it as an interim device for 4 days.
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that's your problem, but I tell yol and I had the 2 and it shows that the radar is better built, like most of HTC, k and the sound quality is great, anyway, I do not detract from the nokia Lumia , is a magnificent phone, somewhat more advanced than the radar, a hug

kevin_23 said:
that's your problem, but I tell yol and I had the 2 and it shows that the radar is better built, like most of HTC, k and the sound quality is great, anyway, I do not detract from the nokia Lumia , is a magnificent phone, somewhat more advanced than the radar, a hug
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To me the Lumia sounds just slightly better than the GS2, which was crap to say the least. Having an equalizer would help for sure, every WP7 device I tried sounded quite canned and flat: an equalizer won't save you from stereo crosstalk and cpu noise, but it will definitely help improving a little the flat dynamic range.
A few days ago my Cowon C2 died, so I had to use the Lumia for a while. Low impedance earbuds (most in-ear earbuds) really show how cheap the DAC is, but if you use higher impedance ones (24 OHM and higher) the situation improves a little. When I had to plug the phone via aux-in to my car stereo I tried to use the equalizer in order to make it sound a little less flat, also cranking up the built in amp in order to keep the phone volume low helped a bit reducing the output noise, but when I got a call and answered without unlugging the phone the in call volume was so high that I nearly shat myself

i have buy the lumia 800 and sell it last week...4 me the sound was not good...the camera was ok...but not soooo good....and the display really bad...s.amoled but the colors are not naturally...and tooooooo dark on automatic light mode...now i have buy the titan and iam happy ... everything works well and no wifi problems
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tooly26 said:
i have buy the lumia 800 and sell it last week...4 me the sound was not good...the camera was ok...but not soooo good....and the display really bad...s.amoled but the colors are not naturally...and tooooooo dark on automatic light mode...now i have buy the titan and iam happy ... everything works well and no wifi problems
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the htc titan is great, I would say that better than the Lumia 800, that screen should look great, a hug

"Look" of the device (aesthetics)

Is the Google Pixel as good-looking as you are (despite your receding hairline, adult-onset acne, and massive weight gain)? Rate this thread to express whether you think the Google Pixel is attractive. A higher rating indicates that you would even go as far to say that the Google Pixel is a beautiful phone.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Overall 4.5 stars, the white face of the phone looks a little yellowish to me. Although I love the blue back (despite the glass being an odd choice), the yellowish white front makes me wish I'd ordered a black version.
EDIT: And whoever was in charge of the notification LED should be fired. Just all-around terrible and a complete misstep considering the size of this Pixel's bottom bezel/chin, where it should've been placed instead of the tiny corner of the earhole speaker.

dispatch said:
EDIT: And whoever was in charge of the notification LED should be fired. Just all-around terrible and a complete misstep considering the size of this Pixel's bottom bezel/chin, where it should've been placed instead of the tiny corner of the earhole speaker.
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Yeah, I remember reading a review where the guy said there was no LED notification. But then I saw a video where a guy pointed it out.......and how f*cking small it is!!! My S6 LED will light up the room. The one on this phone looks wimpy. But i'll have mine in my hand tomorrow so maybe it won't be as bad as it looked on the video? (don't ruin my dreams, lol)
As far as looks are concerned, I don't care what a phone looks like. I'm just gonna throw a case on it anyway, lol. All I care about is the software and internal hardware. The outside of the phone means nothing to me. I would rock the world's ugliest phone if it had great hardware and software. I don't care if the phone is beautiful or ugly or looks like an iPhone. None of that matters to me. It's what's inside that counts

:\ Meh

It is a bit too close to the iPhone. Basically can't tell the difference between the two if looking at the front (especially from a distance). That being said, I love the look of it.

Parfait ou presque de loin le meilleur Google depuis mon Google One !

Understated, but gorgeous. I thought it may be too boring at first, but it's really growing on me.

I think it is an ugly rip off of the iPhone. The iPhone being a very attractive design anyway, means the Pixel isn't doing too bad. The two tone back is gross. What idiot designed the back? The front is very attractive, but the glass doesn't round off as smoothly as the iPhone's does, or that on the S7 or honor 8.
The size is brilliant and I wish it were even smaller.
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dispatch said:
Overall 4.5 stars, the white face of the phone looks a little yellowish to me. Although I love the blue back (despite the glass being an odd choice), the yellowish white front makes me wish I'd ordered a black version.
EDIT: And whoever was in charge of the notification LED should be fired. Just all-around terrible and a complete misstep considering the size of this Pixel's bottom bezel/chin, where it should've been placed instead of the tiny corner of the earhole speaker.
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I quite like the notification. I have to say, EVERYTHING I disliked on seeing online, has instantly grown on me. Just a solid total package device.
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Yeah Google Pixel design is innovative in today's smartphones, and the finish seems tougher than regular unibody design. But personally I feel weird to the design, it looks unfinished.

undecided
I've read a few reviews on this phone now and it seems to have a lot of very cool features and the idea of getting preferential software updates is a bonus.......and the pictures look crisp and high quality.....but i'm not sure if its really going to be worth the money (^_^)

I'm really wanting to get the Pixel...its one of the nicest Android phones out...the design is great in my opinion. just can't seem to get off my iPhone.
any note worthy accessories that come with this phone?

blueghost003 said:
I'm really wanting to get the Pixel...its one of the nicest Android phones out...the design is great in my opinion. just can't seem to get off my iPhone.
any note worthy accessories that come with this phone?
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Well the only thing that looks like it would be really cool to me is the VR headset they will be releasing at a later time. With the high definition provided by the Pixel it looks to be one of the better phones for VR. For me though the promise of preferential android updates way ahead of anyone else is a selling point ?

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It is a bit too close to the iPhone. Basically can't tell the difference between the two if looking at the front (especially from a distance). That being said, I love the look of it.
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YES! Google has put out iPhone-looking phones before, like the Gphone:
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Were these re-branded HTC Desires? Similar, but not close.
My good friend's daughter had one, I loved the keyboard that slid out. I had heard it was kind of inconvenient because of no OSK. I had used a Palm Treo for about 3 years, then I was given an original iPhone 2g, I have to admit I was hooked on the Treo's physical keyboard and "Blackberry" look. I knew where all the buttons were and I never had to look at it to type. I really missed this with iPhones and newer Androidevices. I guess all new phones owe some kind of design to iPhones, but I like that some makes try to veer away from that with wrap-around screens, and the huge rectangular all-screen ZTE ZMAX. If the Note 7 had been less, well inflammatory...
Has anyone seen the 6 X-Files episodes from earlier this year, they were using a few propotypes, there was one episode where a woman pulls out what looks like an iPhone, but it's an android OS. I think it was the "bandaid-nose man" ep, a woman takes a call on what looks like a Pixel phone, but it had an iOS statusbar. Then she plays "Downtown" on it while getting crammed into a trash compactor. But the front face was more like the Pixel. They may have been using an i6-style clone or a regular branded Goophone.
This video was floating around the end of 2015, showing a modular idea, but it was never to be made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnaBvyB_Uhg
But this page shows a side-view of the Pixel phone, it's less like the iPhone 6x models and more like the iPad Mini design, with that beveled slant, my ipad Mini does that, my 6s does not:
The i6 doesn't have that, the screen is placed right on top of the case:
I think I like the Pixel's design in this respect, much better.

X-weApon-X said:
YES! Google has put out iPhone-looking phones before, like the Gphone:
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Were these re-branded HTC Desires? Similar, but not close.
My good friend's daughter had one, I loved the keyboard that slid out. I had heard it was kind of inconvenient because of no OSK. I had used a Palm Treo for about 3 years, then I was given an original iPhone 2g, I have to admit I was hooked on the Treo's physical keyboard and "Blackberry" look. I knew where all the buttons were and I never had to look at it to type. I really missed this with iPhones and newer Androidevices. I guess all new phones owe some kind of design to iPhones, but I like that some makes try to veer away from that with wrap-around screens, and the huge rectangular all-screen ZTE ZMAX. If the Note 7 had been less, well inflammatory...
Has anyone seen the 6 X-Files episodes from earlier this year, they were using a few propotypes, there was one episode where a woman pulls out what looks like an iPhone, but it's an android OS. I think it was the "bandaid-nose man" ep, a woman takes a call on what looks like a Pixel phone, but it had an iOS statusbar. Then she plays "Downtown" on it while getting crammed into a trash compactor. But the front face was more like the Pixel. They may have been using an i6-style clone or a regular branded Goophone.
This video was floating around the end of 2015, showing a modular idea, but it was never to be made.
But this page shows a side-view of the Pixel phone, it's less like the iPhone 6x models and more like the iPad Mini design, with that beveled slant, my ipad Mini does that, my 6s does not:
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The i6 doesn't have that, the screen is placed right on top of the case:
Were these re-branded HTC Desires? Similar, but not close.
My good friend's daughter had one, I loved the keyboard that slid out. I had heard it was kind of inconvenient because of no OSK. I had used a Palm Treo for about 3 years, then I was given an original iPhone 2g, I have to admit I was hooked on the Treo's physical keyboard and "Blackberry" look. I knew where all the buttons were and I never had to look at it to type. I really missed this with iPhones and newer Androidevices. I guess all new phones owe some kind of design to iPhones, but I like that some makes try to veer away from that with wrap-around screens, and the huge rectangular all-screen ZTE ZMAX. If the Note 7 had been less, well inflammatory...
Has anyone seen the 6 X-Files episodes from earlier this year, they were using a few propotypes, there was one episode where a woman pulls out what looks like an iPhone, but it's an android OS. I think it was the "bandaid-nose man" ep, a woman takes a call on what looks like a Pixel phone, but it had an iOS statusbar. Then she plays "Downtown" on it while getting crammed into a trash compactor. But the front face was more like the Pixel. They may have been using an i6-style clone or a regular branded Goophone.
This video was floating around the end of 2015, showing a modular idea, but it was never to be made.
But this page shows a side-view of the Pixel phone, it's less like the iPhone 6x models and more like the iPad Mini design, with that beveled slant, my ipad Mini does that, my 6s does not:
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The i6 doesn't have that, the screen is placed right on top of the case:
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I think I like the Pixel's design in this respect, much better.
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That phone with the physical keyboard was the T-Mobile G1, made by HTC. This was the first Android device *ever*. Initially there was no OSK but that came pretty soonish. When it came out, it was the only touchscreen smartphone in existence that supported widgets and had robust notifications. It was pretty cool at the time. I think it was also the only 3g touchscreen smartphone at the time as well.

I just got my pixel yesterday and my initial impression was that it looked like an iphone. I was a bit peeved because I ordered the silver phone, and the front and half the back is white. but I decided I didn't care because I was putting it in a case anyway so....What's up with the back half of the phone anyway why couldn't they keep it all metal? maybe RFID reader wouldn't work under metal?

"Look" of the device (aesthetics)
rcintorino said:
I just got my pixel yesterday and my initial impression was that it looked like an iphone. I was a bit peeved because I ordered the silver phone, and the front and half the back is white. but I decided I didn't care because I was putting it in a case anyway so....What's up with the back half of the phone anyway why couldn't they keep it all metal? maybe RFID reader wouldn't work under metal?
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I think that's another "iPhone emulation" thing because the iPhone slate gray models have the black face and the silver and rose gold etc. models have the white face. Previous to that with the iPhone 4s for example, maybe iPhone 5 as well they had either black or white in which case the front and the back were white or black and no other colors.
Starting with the 5S Apple started doing this thing where you could get silver gold and a couple of other variations in color, rather than just black or white. And then of course starting with the 6 you had four different colors I believe, three of them having the white touch screen. And then the whole 5C issue, the plastic iPhone I've never really seen anybody using those but I think those had several different colors too, and the whole device was that color. But that whole thing about the front of the device being white or black depending, that's completely an iPhone thing, I don't know why google would want to do that but I kind of like it and I like the way the pixel phones look, it's kind of like a duotone thing.
It would be nice if you could order the pixel phones in other customized colors I don't know if they will do that though.
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That phone with the physical keyboard was the T-Mobile G1, made by HTC. This was the first Android device *ever*. Initially there was no OSK but that came pretty soonish. When it came out, it was the only touchscreen smartphone in existence that supported widgets and had robust notifications. It was pretty cool at the time. I think it was also the only 3g touchscreen smartphone at the time as well.
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Yeah I remember it because iPhones were brand-new and then suddenly this G phone thing came out and Steve Jobs was pissed, and went ballistic. I had never seen a real iPhone at the time, then my friends daughter whipped out the phone like is in the image and I thought wow, I actually would have bought something like that had either money at the time. But then my brother bought an iPhone and he gave me his old Treo 650, which was a great phone until my cat pawed it, and somehow broke the H key on the keyboard. That was when my brother had finally bought an iPhone 4 and gave me his original, that's when I got hooked on not just iPhones but all smart phones. That was just about six years ago and things have changed so much. My first ever cell phone was a little piece of **** Siemens phone, I didn't even use it that much except that I had a phone when I was out. Eventually Cingular gave me a better fliptop Motorola phone, and then they gave me one with the camera and it even. Actually I dug those phones because they had a little music box built-in and you could create all these weird drumbeats and you could slide sounds around and make a little songs it was great. All I remember is between 2002 and 2008 or so, there wasn't really that much change with the cell phone market except with a few of the high-end phones like the Treo, and not very many people but those because they were really expensive at the time. But then when the iPhone came out and then the androids, there has been a an explosion of smart phones the likes of which will probably never end. And these things aren't phones anymore my iPhones and my androids are part of my home network and I can hook into it even when I'm not at home.
That's why security is a pretty big issue with me too.
Sorry for the tome!
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I actually purchased the phone largely in part due to its aesthetics. I actually enjoy the design of the phone: the chamfered edges, the two-tone back, and the clean front. I'd probably give it a 4.5 out of 5. There are things I wish I could change, but they're so minor, that they border on nitpicking. I wish the proximity sensors were aligned to the right of the speaker to give the front a better sense of balance. I wish the phone didn't taper downwards and was instead uniform. And I wish the glass panel on the back was made with a tougher material. It makes me a bit nervous how easy it seems to scratch according to other reviews (I've decided to put a naked skin on the glass panel of mine). Aside from that, I actually like the fact that it looks like an iPhone? I know people find that alarming, but I think older iPhones had some of the cleanest industrial designs, though I've since lost interest in the design ever since the inception of a camera hump. Oh, and this is a weird one, but I hate 2.5d screens. Those curved edges really make it difficult to add a screen protector, and I personally don't think the curve contributes very much to the overall feel of the device.

Chamfered Edges, that's what I was trying to think of, I love that!

Very Smart

I have the little pixel and it reminds me so much of a metal version of the Nexus 5. Love it! It's sexy, but terrified of scratching it.