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Many of us, Windows Phone users, have come to enjoy taking pictures and swiping to see the images (like a filmstrip) then swiping back to take another picture. It's a brilliant features and one I've come to be almost depended on.
Apple has apparently blandly ripoff the feature to iOS 5.
The most interesting part is that Microsoft has a patent for this feature: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...9619.PGNR.&OS=DN/20110119619RS=DN/20110119619
"2011: Year of the copycats?"
More information: http://wmpoweruser.com/now-apple-steals-windows-phone-7-camera-viewfinder-also/
day2die said:
Many of us, Windows Phone users, have come to enjoy taking pictures and swiping to see the images (like a filmstrip) then swiping back to take another picture. It's a brilliant features and one I've come to be almost depended on.
Apple has apparently blandly ripoff the feature to iOS 5.
The most interesting part is that Microsoft has a patent for this feature: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...9619.PGNR.&OS=DN/20110119619RS=DN/20110119619
"2011: Year of the copycats?"
More information: http://wmpoweruser.com/now-apple-steals-windows-phone-7-camera-viewfinder-also/
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APPLE is running low on innovation, so copy and paste is the second best for them...
lets see what microsoft will do??
maybe apple just pay MS for it ?
Yeah, soon Microsoft will be making money from every iPhone that is sold just like the $5 they get from every android device sold, lol.
Microsoft dont even need to sell there own OS and they make money, its kind of unbelievable when you think about it, they win whichever OS is chosen by users.
doesntexist said:
Yeah, soon Microsoft will be making money from every iPhone that is sold just like the $5 they get from every android device sold, lol.
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Not gonna happen.
Microsoft doesn't sue Apple over patents, Apple doesn't sue Microsoft. They have so many patents that it would quickly turn into a nuclear war. Patents in this case are very similar to nukes because they assure mutual destruction.
vangrieg said:
Not gonna happen.
Microsoft doesn't sue Apple over patents, Apple doesn't sue Microsoft. They have so many patents that it would quickly turn into a nuclear war. Patents in this case are very similar to nukes because they assure mutual destruction.
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Agreed
And I expect we will see a notification menu like apple after they copied how notifications show on the display.
patents are lame, dead
software patents are lame and dead. the idea that someone owes you money for doing something in a similar manner is absurd. first to implement and grab the market wins.
Since the Windows Phone is somewhat unpopular among most people, I believe most of them do not know the Apple has actually steal this feature from there.
TTRpwnage said:
Since the Windows Phone is somewhat unpopular among most people, I believe most of them do not know the Apple has actually steal this feature from there.
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I have to agree totally!!
It's even worse. Almost everybody believes that Apple invented touchscreens!!!
doministry said:
I have to agree totally!!
It's even worse. Almost everybody believes that Apple invented touchscreens!!!
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well you have to give them credit for putting a phone in the equation...up until the iphone everybody thought Apple was those computers that only rich people could own (from my perspective). You can't blame a company for innovative business strategy.
vangrieg said:
Not gonna happen.
Microsoft doesn't sue Apple over patents, Apple doesn't sue Microsoft. They have so many patents that it would quickly turn into a nuclear war. Patents in this case are very similar to nukes because they assure mutual destruction.
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you haveto wait and see what will happen to this....
any way MS invested 150 million in apple in 1997 which was $4.5 billion in 2010, so maybe MS will close one eye on this...
HTC paid US$5/- for every android phone they built and sold, which was 30 million= US$150 million, and its spaculated that other ANDROID OEM's had paid MS US$7.50 to US$12.80 for each device they built or sold...
so maybe APPLE and MS do not fight but MS is collecting tons of money from patents they hold..
doministry said:
I have to agree totally!!
It's even worse. Almost everybody believes that Apple invented touchscreens!!!
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DUMB ppl will believe anything.... so do you think APPLE invented TOUCSCREENs????
truffle1234 said:
DUMB ppl will believe anything.... so do you think APPLE invented TOUCSCREENs????
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Agreed - I had a Windows CE phone YONKS ago! It was a Trium Mondo (still got it in my loft and it still works!) - then got a Siemens SX45 also Windows CE (still got that too and it works as well!)- Pretty sure that was before ANY iPhone!
The Industrial Designers Society of America recently announced their annual International Design Excellence Awards (IDEA). Microsoft had won a total of seven awards. Our Windows Phone 7 alone have won awards in three categories..The IDEA program is considered by many as the ‘Oscars’ of design competitions.. Before Windows Phone7- 3 awards the iphone was the only phone to win one award in 2008... http://blogs.technet.com/b/next/archive/2011/06/30/microsoft-scoops-7-idea-awards-for-design-excellence.aspx
....now Microsoft should bank on this to make the consumers understand that it is much "cooler" to use a WP7 device than an iPhone or an Android....
FTC said:
....now Microsoft should bank on this to make the consumers understand that it is much "cooler" to use a WP7 device than an iPhone or an Android....
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cooler than iphone ? never gonna happen. ever. the "I'm a mac" commercials cemented the status of who was and was not cool, for the two people that weren't sure yet.
android is not cool, android is FUN, fast and evolving.
windows is still pushing OFFICE like it matters, like its fun... no one cares.
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cooler than iphone ? never gonna happen. ever. the "I'm a mac" commercials cemented the status of who was and was not cool, for the two people that weren't sure yet.
android is not cool, android is FUN, fast and evolving.
windows is still pushing OFFICE like it matters, like its fun... no one cares.
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Office is important for people who aren't kids.
ohgood said:
cooler than iphone ? never gonna happen. ever. the "I'm a mac" commercials cemented the status of who was and was not cool, for the two people that weren't sure yet.
android is not cool, android is FUN, fast and evolving.
windows is still pushing OFFICE like it matters, like its fun... no one cares.
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But Office does matter. That's why Office 2010 is the fastest selling Office in Microsoft's history. The "I'm a Mac" ads were pretty cool, but backfired after a while, because the Mac came off as a smug ass hat, where the PC was more like the clumsy nice guy. Microsoft countered that brilliantly with the "I'm a PC" ads and they had success, Apple stopped with their campaign. I think that's the only time where Microsoft had actually a good advertisement campaign.
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windows is still pushing OFFICE like it matters, like its fun... no one cares.
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....no fun with WP7? Really? What about all this smooth gaming, Zune and FB implementing?
ohgood said:
cooler than iphone ? never gonna happen. ever. the "I'm a mac" commercials cemented the status of who was and was not cool, for the two people that weren't sure yet.
android is not cool, android is FUN, fast and evolving.
windows is still pushing OFFICE like it matters, like its fun... no one cares.
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Spoken like a true Android/Apple fanboy.
DavidinCT said:
Spoken like a true Android/Apple fanboy.
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To be fair, I agree with his point about Apple. Deserving or not, they are pretty well entrenched in America (see: average consumer) as "the brand to own."
steve jobs resigned, what do you think, what will be apples future?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/24/steve-jobs-resigns-as-ceo-of-apple/
(i know its not exactly defy general topic, but im curious what you guys think)
I think will be somehow like when Gates leaved Microsoft.
The company will remain doing a good job but will not grow or push the technological barriers anymore.
I believe the "Magic" will go with Jobs.
Nooooooo!!
Now Samsung will lead (that's a good thing!!)
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sad...best brainy CEO ever quits
Serious health problem. He did right decision. Otherwise he will gone in few years. If it not too late...
felipeap said:
I think will be somehow like when Gates leaved Microsoft.
The company will remain doing a good job but will not grow or push the technological barriers anymore.
I believe the "Magic" will go with Jobs.
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totally agree
Microsoft only does a great job caring for themselves and they did that from day 1. Gates stole most of microsoft from HP and these arrangements with other companies and keeping the price high.
I always thought apple was better on that area, at least until the lawsuits came. The resignation of steve jobs wound do apple that good I'm afraid. Look what was happening when he only temporarily gone.
I've gone to ubuntu. Free and great product for that low resources. Now only the company's and software developers to stop putting windows ahead of the others.
labsin said:
Microsoft only does a great job caring for themselves and they did that from day 1. Gates stole most of microsoft from HP and these arrangements with other companies and keeping the price high.
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What a load of old FUD, go get your facts right before posting.
I thing iphone5 will sell good but next one will be disaster because it will be roadkill for upcoming androids which have many big players competing on open platform.
http://www.osnews.com/story/25480/Microsoft_To_Acquire_Nokia_s_Smartphone_Division_
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Microsoft To Acquire Nokia's Smartphone Division? posted by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Jan 2012 11:25 UTC This rumour is not new, nor is it particularly earth-shattering. However, with Windows Phone 7 failing to make a dent in the market place, and Nokia's Lumia 800 not making huge waves either, the rumour's been taken out of the shed again: Microsoft is supposedly acquiring Nokia's smartphone division later this year. Stephen Elop will resign from Nokia shortly afterwards.
This time around, the rumour's being rekindled by Eldar Murtazin, the Russian editor-in-chief of Mobile-Review.com. He has a pretty good track record regarding Nokia, and has often had very, very early access to device prototypes and other information. However, as always, a firm pile of salt should be readily available at all times when reading this.
"Steve Balmer, Andy Lees and Stephen Elop, Kai Ostamo will meet in Las Vegas to finalize agreement about Nokia smartphone unit," he tweeted. The deal is apparently so that Microsoft also gets a few manufacturing plants, and, of course, an extensive patent portfolio. The Nokia name is set to disappear from the Microsoft smartphones that would follow from this acquisition.
It would leave Nokia with its feature phone business, networking equipment, and an assortment of other activities. While many think this would mean the end of Nokia, I highly doubt it will be - the company is 140 years old, has survived multiple crises and product transitions (they started out as a paper company, after all). Nokia will survive, even without smartphones, but that doesn't make it any less tragic.
This deal certainly wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. It's becoming ever more clear that all those naysayers were right, back when the Microsoft-Nokia deal was announced. Stephen Elop is a mole, with only one goal: to drive Nokia into the ground, so that Microsoft can swoop in and acquire the interesting parts for a relatively low price. The N9 demonstrated that Nokia did have an option besides the failing Windows Phone 7, and that the deal with Microsoft wasn't a necessity at all.
We'll have to see how it all pans out over the course of 2012, but this doesn't seem like a crazy prediction. Sad.
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Patent mongering ?
Company absorbtion ?
Apple-like hardware control ?
Discuss
wouldn't be surprising. Symbian still the most used smartphone OS, I just don't understand why the company didn't improve, and update it. They killed the proven Symbian OS ,for a unproven unpopular OS that they have no control over.
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It won't surprise me either.
My 2 years old Symbian nokia, can do at least everything my WP7 can do, + even much more things.
the only problema is the screen-res thats 320x240.
Nokia went from actually good OS with no future, to an actually bad OS, with a very doubt future.
Eh, last I checked the lumia 800 series was doing great in Europe...
z33dev33l said:
Eh, last I checked the lumia 800 series was doing great in Europe...
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If you have a link to official sales numbers, please post. I've read a lot of speculation on both +/- for sales over there, but no official numbers.
Either way, I'm second guessing microsofts intentions, if any.
I started ignoring anything Eldar Murtazin says a long time ago
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If you have a link to official sales numbers, please post. I've read a lot of speculation on both +/- for sales over there, but no official numbers.
Either way, I'm second guessing microsofts intentions, if any.
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Strangely the same request for confirmation doesnt seem to be made when the talk is of low WP7 sales, just accepted as the truth.
Anyway, Nokia has denied it, update at the botttom of this story: http://www.slashgear.com/microsofts-nokia-smartphone-division-acquisition-tipped-imminent-05206304/
The rumor may or may not be true (and it most likely is not), but public denials are not now, nor have they ever been, proof that an acquisition is not imminent. I have worked for numerous companies that have been acquired, and in every case, right up until the day the acquisition was officially announced, the companies that I worked for denied the "rumors". That is just standard business practice to avoid too much market volatility.
efjay said:
Strangely the same request for confirmation doesnt seem to be made when the talk is of low WP7 sales, just accepted as the truth.
Anyway, Nokia has denied it, update at the botttom of this story: http://www.slashgear.com/microsofts-nokia-smartphone-division-acquisition-tipped-imminent-05206304/
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yep the truth is still tied up somewhere... apple loves to flaunt 4 million sales in a weekend, android 500,000+ activations a day... and microsoft, balmer only says that sales were less than expected. not much to go on. :-(
you mentioned the update, her's the text:
Update: Nokia UK has given us the following comment:
“We’ve put these rumours to rest a long time ago. The focus for Nokia is on executing on our partnership around Windows Phone and growing the ecosystem, and each company has the tools they need to do so”
yes, that sounds like the normal corporate-speak for "we don't want insider trading or speculations hurting our stocks" as normal.
still waiting on official numbers, and apparently waiting a little longer for a possible aquisition.
It would be awesome if MS could have their own branded phones like Apple.
hexcorev2 said:
It would be awesome if MS could have their own branded phones like Apple.
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Well that would upset HTC, Samsung etc. and also take all the Nokia-coolness away from the phones.
slimshady322 said:
Well that would upset HTC, Samsung etc. and also take all the Nokia-coolness away from the phones.
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posted before I did
the nokia venture is ultimately a bad idea especially if it is relegated to the dumb phone scene
vetvito said:
wouldn't be surprising. Symbian still the most used smartphone OS, I just don't understand why the company didn't improve, and update it. They killed the proven Symbian OS ,for a unproven unpopular OS that they have no control over.
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You would say that.
Where again where Symbian sales heading for Nokia? They were bleeding marketshare. The writing was on the wall for Symbian. Argue that Nokia should have gone to Android, but not that they should not have stuck with Symbian.
Symbian was not going anywhere positive. The overhead of making your own software has exponential penalties when you are losing sales. The app catalogue was not progressing. Now instead of slowly dying like RIM, Nokia made a gamble. Microsoft could provide them with some perks that the open source world of Android could not.
Now, just like I see a conflict of interest with Google owning Motorola, I see a problem with Microsoft owning Nokia. But maybe they can spin it like Google did -
"We did this to protect the ecosystem. Motorola will operate separately. Don't be worried."
nokia showed an overall growth w/ symbian last year
isn't that extremely positive for a sinking ship
And it is still number one in terms of international handset maker even if samsung is closing in really fast
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You would say that.
Where again where Symbian sales heading for Nokia? They were bleeding marketshare. The writing was on the wall for Symbian. Argue that Nokia should have gone to Android, but not that they should not have stuck with Symbian.
Symbian was not going anywhere positive. The overhead of making your own software has exponential penalties when you are losing sales. The app catalogue was not progressing. Now instead of slowly dying like RIM, Nokia made a gamble. Microsoft could provide them with some perks that the open source world of Android could not.
Now, just like I see a conflict of interest with Google owning Motorola, I see a problem with Microsoft owning Nokia. But maybe they can spin it like Google did -
"We did this to protect the ecosystem. Motorola will operate separately. Don't be worried."
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Selective reading? You miss the part where I said "improve". All they had to do was update.
You do know Symbian still outsells Win phone, don't you?
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Saying all Nokia had to do is improve Symbian is kind of like saying all Microsoft needed to do to compete with the iPhone was to improve Windows Mobile
Anyway, it looks like the market and analysts are now expecting good things from Nokia. Hopefully they are right
technically speaking, winphone is a improvement of WM. Unless you're not thinking logically.
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vetvito said:
Selective reading? You miss the part where I said "improve". All they had to do was update.
You do know Symbian still outsells Win phone, don't you?
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I did not selectively read. Because improving it oh so easy. The OS was flat not not attractive. Symbian Anna and Belle are improvements but its nowhere near Android.
Your product is crap. Just improve it.
Last numbers I saw Symbian was still the #1 OS in certain markets. That because Nokia puts Symbian on near everything. Have you owned any Symbian phones? I have. Remember Nokia's share used to be 40%. Last number I saw was in the 20s. Why? Smartphone explosion.
Symbian was sinking and taking Nokia with them. Fact.
So you ditch it, and still sink? Meego was a great alternative, all I'm saying is don't foolishly put all your eggs in one basket.
Symbian, Meego, and Winphone couldve helped Nokia.
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So you ditch it, and still sink? Meego was a great alternative, all I'm saying is don't foolishly put all your eggs in one basket.
Symbian, Meego, and Winphone couldve helped Nokia.
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What about the expenses and overheads of the company? What about the business aspect of that decision? Nokia's problem was they had too many OSes.
Symbian S40, S60 5th edition, Symbian UIQ, S^3, Meego, Maemo. And a partridge in a pear tree.
But in a btw, since 'killing off" Symbian, they have released updates and new phones using Symbian. Maybe there is a place for Symbian like there is a place for Bada and Brew.
Vet, you obvious do not like Windows Phone. At all. But Symbian was a dead end. And Meego? Cmon. They are not getting to 50,000 apps in under a year with Meego. The only valid argument I can understand is Nokia should have ditched Symbian for Android.
Has anybody heard about Microsoft or Nokia planning a commercial for Superbowl. This would be the perfect opportunity for Microsoft or Nokia to debut a commercial showing off the OS among the many viewers who will be tuning into the Superbowl. Lots of people watch the superbowl just for the commercial. I hope some of that advertising money will bring about an amazing commercial for WP7.
I hope they do, and believe they will. Its a perfect time to advertise both WP & the Lumia's.
I guess they could push the 710. Seems too early to advertise the 900, that's ~6 weeks.
Ok the superbowl is amognst us today. Has anybody heard of any MS commercials that will be branding WP7.
This is the perfect time for MS to market their product like crazy. WP should have sponsored the superbowl. lol
If any commercials post them here:
PG2G said:
I guess they could push the 710. Seems too early to advertise the 900, that's ~6 weeks.
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There will be movie trailers for summer films during the Superbowl, so it's never to early to build up anticipation.
Samsung is planning a 4th quarter commercial stating something dramatic.
What does MS or Nokia have to rebound off of this
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Samsung is planning a 4th quarter commercial stating something dramatic.
What does MS or Nokia have to rebound off of this
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it will be interesting ... maybe bill gates and that comedian guy trying on shoes again ? LOL (just reserving a place to comment later
Was just a Samsung Galaxy Note commercial. Oh well.
Didn't see any iPhone or other droid commercials, also didn't see any carrier commercials cept for USCC, no sprint,no AT$T,no T-mob or Andrizon. So not a total disappointment.
Yeah, that commercial was pretty lame.
guy: "*GASP*, is that a pen?!"
Yes, and they were laughed out of existence in the early 2000's as completely cumbersome and useless.
And now it's some sort of godsend? No thanks, I've had a stylus device. There is no positive to it whatsoever.
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Didn't see any iPhone or other droid commercials, also didn't see any carrier commercials cept for USCC, no sprint,no AT$T,no T-mob or Andrizon. So not a total disappointment.
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The competition (with 90%+ market share) didn't advertise, so its ok that m$ (with -4%) didn't ? I figured people would be raising hell over a lack of marketing.
Also, the pen the note has is... well you should try it out...
Seems the official web-stream from NFL.com was a different story...
Ads for Verizon and the Samsung Galaxy II all over the place.
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The competition (with 90%+ market share) didn't advertise, so its ok that m$ (with -4%) didn't ? I figured people would be raising hell over a lack of marketing.
Also, the pen the note has is... well you should try it out...
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its not m$ its MS and they have way more than -4%.
prohibido_por_la_ley said:
its not m$ its MS and they have way more than -4%.
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M$ is widely understood to mean microsoft, it seems the $ is derogatary or just a dollar sign, depending on the point of view.
The "-" was a typo., it was supposed to say 'around' 4%, which is a best guess, since there are no official sales numbers from M$. Last I read it was 43% android and 45% iphone, but those numbers change from source to source too.
Even if the samsung note ad was over the top, it has people talking. The stylus may have been a plan to get it even more free publicity, attracting the old palm pilot lovers, I don't really know. The screen size is a draw for me...
I was so disappointed that there wasn't an add for the Lumia 900.
It probably made the most sense, since the device is not expected for another month and a half...but still.
samsabri said:
I was so disappointed that there wasn't an add for the Lumia 900.
It probably made the most sense, since the device is not expected for another month and a half...but still.
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imo windows phone no-show is better than samsung paying millions for that stupid galaxy note commercial.
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Yeah, that commercial was pretty lame.
guy: "*GASP*, is that a pen?!"
Yes, and they were laughed out of existence in the early 2000's as completely cumbersome and useless.
And now it's some sort of godsend? No thanks, I've had a stylus device. There is no positive to it whatsoever.
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I have to say, nothing has tempted me to abondon Windows Mobile as much as Galaxy Note. For the artistically inclined, Galaxy Note is a godsend.