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So, then, why would anyone buy this?
I can't tether. I can't automatically record all phone calls. I can't file explore.
Maybe Sharepoint, XBox live, and the Zune stuff that these Commercials highlight so well.
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Maybe Sharepoint, XBox live, and the Zune stuff that these Commercials highlight so well.
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I like the ads. They're pretty good as an introduction to the platform.
Remember, most people have no clue that WP7 exists and is coming out soon. For us, this stuff is old news but you have to spoon feed consumers. If you jump straight to specific features and hardware, people will miss the point that this is a whole new platform. Once these sorts of basic ads are out and consumers are aware of the new Windows Phone's existence, you build on that and show off features and hardware.
I can already see an ad where the person is flipping through the interface, typing on the screen, and then in the last few seconds, flips out a physical keyboard and types something snarky.
Then some other ones showing off XBL gaming, Zune, etc. So much opportunity here for some pretty awesome ads. The more detailed ads will come in due time. They're just getting their feet wet. Google and Apple have a lot to be afraid of.
You make a good point, and I know this is the early stages as more will come. BUT, I have to be a jack ass and point out this great commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yatSAEqNL7k
and this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diUjVY8zRJc
Very unfair
I'd also like to point out how they're branding it. Notice... they're not saying "Windows Phone 7". I have been critical of the naming but I figured a while back that this is how they would brand it and I'm glad to see that they are. Noone cares about the number really. Many people will think it's 1.0. So instead of telling your buddy that you've got a "Windows Phone 7 phone" or something awkward like that the convention will just be to say "I've got a Windows Phone". If they actually know that WM6 existed (many people don't) they may ask "the old one or the new one" and you'd respond "windows phone 7". It's the same as someone saying "I've got an iPhone". They wouldn't say "I've got an iPhone4 phone". Or "I've got an Android 2.2 phone". It's just "Android" or more likely "I have a Droid". Man does Google have their branding all mixed up. I'm surprised this hasn't caused more of a problem than it seems to be. People just call every Android device a "Droid". Just imagine if Verizon didn't launch that ad campaign. Advertising matters, a lot.
Right again, WP7 the name has nothing to do with WM. Windows Phone is brand new, I forgot what the 7 actually means.
Most people I've seen with Androids don't know or just don't care what version they have.
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You make a good point, and I know this is the early stages as more will come. BUT, I have to be a jack ass and point out this great commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yatSAEqNL7k
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diUjVY8zRJc
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Video chatting has been around for years. I felt like a douche doing it then. People looked like douches doing it then. And nothing has changed.
I'd love to stick with Microsoft products for mobile devices, but I have requirements since finding out what I can truly do with my Touch Pro 2. Imagine recording every single phone call in and out of this phone. Android doesn't even do that. It's been such a treat to have all that data.
So hopefully by the time I'm ready for a new device, WP7 will be ready to meet the standards.
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Right again, WP7 the name has nothing to do with WM. Windows Phone is brand new, I forgot what the 7 actually means.
Most people I've seen with Androids don't know or just don't care what version they have.
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Yea, they just get confused/annoyed when their friend's phone has a feature that theirs doesn't.
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Video chatting has been around for years. I felt like a douche doing it then. People looked like douches doing it then. And nothing has changed.
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Haha, I agree. Never seen the appeal. The only time I can see it being useful is long distance relationships and people traveling who have kids at home.
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Video chatting has been around for years. I felt like a douche doing it then. People looked like douches doing it then. And nothing has changed.
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The point is, have you seen it advertised like Apple. They made it look amazing. At the same time they showed off the retina display.
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The point is, have you seen it advertised like Apple. They made it look amazing. At the same time they showed off the retina display.
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tbh I don't think that Apple made it look more amazing than years ago, when Video calling was new.
I also haven't seen someone acctually using it more than, let's say once a year. It's really uncommon and not a point worth advertising. Even if WP7 doesn't support it (idk if it does), noones gonna miss it and point it out, except maybe Apple fanboys that think that "FaceTime" is totally awesome just because it's Apples idea
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Maybe Sharepoint, XBox live, and the Zune stuff that these Commercials highlight so well.
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A lot of good Droid commercials don't show any real phone features either. Unless changing your arm into a robot arm is a feature of a droid, or having circular lines shoot out of your phone .
They just show cool futuristic themes and graphics.
But the commercials do show a "feature" of the phone. They're trying to build an angle for their marketing. The angle/feature being that they want to advertise that you can consume content faster on wp7 and you're not a slave to your phone...whether it's true is irrelevant, but that's the advertising campaign they're pursuing.
Robot arms were for the new keyboard. Lines shooting out of the phone was showing the wifi hotspot capability.
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Robot arms were for the new keyboard. Lines shooting out of the phone was showing the wifi hotspot capability.
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no it wasn't, there is no kb on the droid x...it was a vessel for that phone to come out of (I'm talking about the droid commercial they show in theatres). The commercial had nothing to do with droid other than it appearing at the end. It's just something futuristic and mysterious.
There are lots of droid commercials that don't sell a feature. They just sell the image of droid being advanced, being "scifi".
^oh, I haven't seen one at a theater. My bad.
The one that didn't make sense to me was the Stealth Fighters one. Airplanes dropping boxes on the ground, with Droids in them didn't make sense to me
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^oh, I haven't seen one at a theater. My bad.
The one that didn't make sense to me was the Stealth Fighters one. Airplanes dropping boxes on the ground, with Droids in them didn't make sense to me
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I'm just saying, the point of a commercial is to introduce something memorable and to tie that recognition to a product. It's not an infomercial where you always sell features. It's a 30s effort to make something stick in someone's mind.
Take coca cola commercials...they don't always tell you how good it tastes. They have a lavish commercial and give you the impression that coke brightens your bad day.
Look at Geico...they have 25s of random nonsense with a gecko...then just say the line, "saved money on car insurance".
MS is going for a similar approach...they don't try to prove that wp7 "makes your day easier" they just say it does and try to imply that it is less of a hassle.
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The point is, have you seen it advertised like Apple. They made it look amazing. At the same time they showed off the retina display.
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This is a very sad state of affairs tech industry is in. There are so many great technologies out there that disappear without a trace simply because companies can't present them properly to general public. You have to wait for Apple to take the idea, distort it by putting in a walled garden "ecosystem" and make a simple interface that an average Joe can get without getting scared by options, settings and multiple ways of achieving the results.
I can only pray that Apple TV doesn't take off to kill development of DLNA.
Director of windows phone 7 confirmed tethering support will be supported via update, but not at launch...Hope this help....
http://www.wmexperts.com/director-windows-phone-7-confirms-tethering-support
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Director of windows phone 7 confirmed tethering support will be supported via update, but not at launch...Hope this help....
http://www.wmexperts.com/director-windows-phone-7-confirms-tethering-support
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Update: Apparently, Mr. Watson misspoke. According to Paul Thurrot (who was also on the Windows Weekly Podcast), tethering will not be available at launch, but will be a feature added in the future. Thanks monomer!
But ...
http://www.windows7phoneforums.com/news/wp7_tethering_update_12.0.html
Is there any real official solution/status on tethering?
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Update: Apparently, Mr. Watson misspoke. According to Paul Thurrot (who was also on the Windows Weekly Podcast), tethering will not be available at launch, but will be a feature added in the future. Thanks monomer!
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Well I have faith in our community of developers. If MS don't make it so people can tether, eventually one of us will.
I just randomly ran across this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40717043
and didn't realize how poorly the devices are selling at launch.
I'm not trying to knock WP7 and although I prefer Android I still like WP7 a lot and do think it has the potential to contend if it can just get off its feet and convince people to get on board.
Something else I thought of was when there is a CDMA iPhone in Q1 2011, this will hamper sales of WP7 since VZW has so many customers and it seems like most will go for an LTE iPhone over a WP7 device, if only due to name-recognition.
Personally, I hope it succeeds because as I've said before, it will force Apple and Google to stay on top of their game as far as quality is concerned and it's something new and fresh and I'm always about that.
Just needs to freaking sell more.
nope its not a flop
It's not really a flop, it's just that there's so much on the market right now. When Iphone, and Android both first came out, there really wasn't all that much available that people would flock to. Even more when right now WP7 only has about 2-3 major carriers available. I think when more updates for WP7 come in, and when the other major networks receive WP7, that's when we'll see a jump in it. I get questions on WP7 all the time at work, or people telling me that they didn't like WM6.5 too much, so they aren't going to bother with WP7.
Verizon and Sprint will open up a HUGE market - especially for the "Really" crowd who don't like the prices of AT&T.. Sprint could potentially be the largest customer magnet for WP7 with their great network pricing - especially if MS incentivizes their network/phone/plans/hardware.
Apple iPhone (2007): 1,000,000 in 74 days, one phone in one country
Google G1 (2008): 600.000 in two months, one phone in two countries
Palm Pre (2009): 300,000 in one month, one phone in one country
WP7 (2010): 300,000 (?) in one month, 9 phones worldwide
Yes, it's a flop.
Opposite reason.
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It's not really a flop, it's just that there's so much on the market right now. When Iphone, and Android both first came out, there really wasn't all that much available that people would flock to. Even more when right now WP7 only has about 2-3 major carriers available. I think when more updates for WP7 come in, and when the other major networks receive WP7, that's when we'll see a jump in it. I get questions on WP7 all the time at work, or people telling me that they didn't like WM6.5 too much, so they aren't going to bother with WP7.
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WM 6.5.5 Energy ROM was great to me on my FUZE, I have had no problems with it (Lags, freezes etc.). The things I like about 6.5.5 I find missing in WP7. For that reason, I won't switch to WP7 until I actually see the results of the next couple of releases.
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Apple iPhone (2007): 1,000,000 in 74 days, one phone in one country
Google G1 (2008): 600.000 in two months, one phone in two countries
Palm Pre (2009): 300,000 in one month, one phone in one country
WP7 (2010): 300,000 (?) in one month, 9 phones worldwide
Yes, it's a flop.
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hahaha.. the amount of devices is irrelevent when the marketshare doesn't grow per device available. (hd tv sales didn't multiply by 10 just because there were 10 different tvs on the market)
and where did you pull this 300k number from?
I'd imagine that M$ are less than happy with the sales thus far.
I know loads of people that want a WP but are not willing until M$ "finish making it".
I have been out of contract since June but I am holding out for the HTC pro 7 and copy'n'paste and most importantly- tethering.
It strikes me that part of the problem with dumbing down the OS in the name of mass appeal is the masses are only interested in the amount of apps in the app store.
If the above is correct then I guess ownership will increase in line with the increase in apps.
the amount of devices is irrelevent when the marketshare doesn't grow per device available.
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The amount of countries is and the year, too.
and where did you pull this 300k number from?
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150,000 Facebook users after one month, times 2 (assuming 50% of people log in to Facebook with their Windows Phone 7 phone).
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is what? most countries and carriers only offered 2 phones available in stock and a 3rd perpetually on back order. In most cases only having one device available for resale in volume.
150,000 Facebook users after one month, times 2 (assuming 50% of people log in to Facebook with their Windows Phone 7 phone).
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50% attach rate to facebook would be amazing and a huge success for everyone involved.
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It strikes me that part of the problem with dumbing down the OS in the name of mass appeal is the masses are only interested in the amount of apps in the app store.
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what exacty is dumbed down? sure, its not 100% polished, but dumbed down?
most countries and carriers only offered 2 phones available in stock and a 3rd perpetually on back order.
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That's not true. They were widely available across Europe only a few days after launch. The rumors about limited stock were bogus. Some stores only had two or three devices, but they didn't get sold. That's a flop by any measure.
50% attach rate to facebook would be amazing and a huge success for everyone involved.
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There are 57 million iPhone users on Facebook, that's more than 50% of them.
what exacty is dumbed down? sure, its not 100% polished, but dumbed down?
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Oh come on. This hardly deserves to be called a smartphone OS and you know that.
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That's not true. They were widely available across Europe only a few days after launch. The rumors about limited stock were bogus.
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And you have proof of this how?
in the US alone i couldn't get ahold of an LG or focus during launch week.
There are 57 million iPhone users on Facebook, that's more than 50% of them.
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Not if you include ipad/itouch devices..
Oh come on. This hardly deserves to be called a smartphone OS and you know that.
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Now you're just being ignorant and silly.
Oh yes that's what I am... not.
Not if you include ipad/itouch devices..
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So what? If only 20% of users log in to Facebook, that still makes less than a million WP7 phones sold in one and a half months, which is still a flop by any measure.
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Oh yes that's what I am... not.
So what? If only 20% of users log in to Facebook, that still makes less than a million WP7 phones sold in one and a half months, which is still a flop by any measure.
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a flap only in your eyes
A success considering the crappy economy, a single carrier, a pricey phone with 2 year contract and a holiday season full of stiff competition.
My so called dumb wp7 smartphone does 720p video, takes 5mp pics, uploads to the cloud to save images, integrates with facebook, has a single hub for all my contacts, does netflix fantastically, has twitter/facebook/shazam/seesmic/IMDB/fandango apps, plays games, integrates with my xbox live gamertag is fast, snappy and best of all works as a phone all day long. No dropped calls, no terrible battery life, great voice/speaker quality. Its hardly a flop.
If anything WP7 reflects realistic market conditions rather than fanatic brand obsessed markets.. a year from now we'll all be laughing abnout this anyway still trying to call MS a failure just because thats all you know
Measured against overall smartphone sales, WP7 is the slowest selling OS of the last four years. Sorry, but that's what I call a flop.
The economy has been far worse when Android launched, the G1, iPhone and Pre all were only on one carrier in one or two countries, whereas WP7 is available in many countries on much better hardware and still nobody's buying it.
Your phone doesn't even let you load your files onto it. How lame is that? No wonder nobody's buying this, after all, people want their files. WP7 is a flop both technologically and in terms of sales.
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Measured against overall smartphone sales, WP7 is the slowest selling OS of the last four years. Sorry, but that's what I call a flop.
Your phone doesn't even let you load your files onto it. How lame is that? No wonder nobody's buying this, after all, people want their files.
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Hahaha loading pics? seriously? Let me tell you something. I went to ATT, bought my focus, plugged in my windows live id and integrated my flickr and facebook ID with WL id and voila, 10+ years of digital photography was on my phone without me having to "load it".. Its called the Images hub and it works great and it continually integrates with services that can extend that hub. Pretty "smart" eh
BTW, until numbers are produced, you're guess is just a guess tarnished with spite and nothing else. I'm quite intrigued where this obsessive ms hate comes from!
I think the point about there being more smartphone OS's to choose from is valid. When iPhone launched it was the only one of its kind. A simple UI for non-business users that was cool, had a big ass screen, and built in iPod, I remember how "cool" everyone who had one felt.
Android came out and the only real competitor was iPhone. But you couldn't get an iPhone on the other 3 networks so tmobile opted to get a G1 on contract instead of buying a used iPhone and unlocking it.
Now let's look at what WP7 has to contend with:
1) iPhone which people love, has a simple UI, and orders of magnitude more apps available than WP7, not to mention the "cool" factor. Everyone knows there's going to be a CDMA iPhone so that is going to really take away from WP7 sales IMO because now people can get their iPhone on a decent network.
2) Android phones on EVERY network, very popular right now and getting more popular by the day. Has had almost 3 years to polish up the OS and has more UI options like Live Wallpapers, Launchers, etc... and tons more apps than WP7.
3) MS already has a bad name in the mobile world for having phones that "lag, are hard to figure out, for business users only" etc... so they are fighting that as well.
4) Advertising - IMO the ads are horrible. They showcase that supposedly iPhone and Android users have to spend more time on their phones because they don't have those big ass tiles? Come on, show us more features of the phone.
5) No front facing camera on any phone is a killer IMO, look at the iPhone 4, the Evo, Epic, MT4G, Nexus S. It's the new trend and people are liking it a lot. I am willing to bet we are going to be FLOODED with VZW Facetime over LTE ads which will crush these amazingly stupid dude jumping out of an airplane and can supposedly open his camera app like one second faster than an iPhone or Android could type ads.
For these reasons it is going to be hard for MS, they are going to lose more $ than they make and will have to keep their head above water till there are much more apps and some of these missing features.
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a flap only in your eyes
A success considering the crappy economy, a single carrier, a pricey phone with 2 year contract and a holiday season full of stiff competition.
My so called dumb wp7 smartphone does 720p video, takes 5mp pics, uploads to the cloud to save images, integrates with facebook, has a single hub for all my contacts, does netflix fantastically, has twitter/facebook/shazam/seesmic/IMDB/fandango apps, plays games, integrates with my xbox live gamertag is fast, snappy and best of all works as a phone all day long. No dropped calls, no terrible battery life, great voice/speaker quality. Its hardly a flop.
If anything WP7 reflects realistic market conditions rather than fanatic brand obsessed markets.. a year from now we'll all be laughing abnout this anyway still trying to call MS a failure just because thats all you know
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not so sure.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2140...0_to_1_against_android_iphone_study_says.html
Hahaha loading pics?
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I said files, not pics. Don't be silly.
BTW, until numbers are produced, you're guess is just a guess tarnished with spite and nothing else.
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More numbers: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2140...0_to_1_against_android_iphone_study_says.html
You can do the math. Find out how many Android and iPhone users there are and take that times 0.0045.
I'm quite intrigued where this obsessive ms hate comes from!
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Oh, come on! MS hate? Really? WP7 a ****ty OS, plain and simple. That doesn't say anything about the rest of Microsoft's products - Windows 7 for example is great.
found this interesting because of the on going flop thread...
http://wmpoweruser.com/official-1-5...ped-faster-than-original-iphone-a-good-start/
well he's saying that the manufacturers sold 1.5 million to the carriers, not actual people, so if people don't buy the phone it will just sit on the shelves.
They need people to go to the stores and buy these phones!
but this is great news for WP7, and I do think they have a good product, let's hope they force google to ramp up their product as well.
^ doubt it. Google and Apple aren't taking notice of WP7. The only people that care about wp7 is wp7 sites, and this small part of xda. Search around you wont see any Android vs WP7, or IOS vs WP7 threads anywhere. If you do, its very brief.
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^ doubt it. Google and Apple aren't taking notice of WP7. The only people that care about wp7 is wp7 sites, and this small part of xda. Search around you wont see any Android vs WP7, or IOS vs WP7 threads anywhere. If you do, its very brief.
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but I think that that will change real fast
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^ doubt it. Google and Apple aren't taking notice of WP7. The only people that care about wp7 is wp7 sites, and this small part of xda. Search around you wont see any Android vs WP7, or IOS vs WP7 threads anywhere. If you do, its very brief.
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How can you say that Google and Apple aren't taking notice?
Do you work for them or have insider knowledge or something?
Any sale of a competing device is something they don't want be it 1 or 100 units so it would be foolish of them to not take notice.
1.5 millions WP7 units bought by retailers means 1.5 million not Apple or Google phones not bought. Why would they not take notice?
And once again, here you are being negative in a WP7 thread. Why do you hang around here if you have so little faith in the OS?
I think Google and Apple are taking notice, MS is nothing to ignore, look what they did to apple in the computer OS world, now they're doing it again.
Take Apple's business model and UI and kang it to run more efficiently and universally, that's what they did with their computer OS and it looks like that's what they're doing with WP7.
Not to mention most stores have very low stock so most of the 1.5 million phones are most likely in the hands of consumers..
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How can you say that Google and Apple aren't taking notice?
Do you work for them or have insider knowledge or something?
Any sale of a competing device is something they don't want be it 1 or 100 units so it would be foolish of them to not take notice.
1.5 millions WP7 units bought by retailers means 1.5 million not Apple or Google phones not bought. Why would they not take notice?
And once again, here you are being negative in a WP7 thread. Why do you hang around here if you have so little faith in the OS?
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Wasn't being negative, just posted something that you didn't like.
Apple and Google are more than likely looking at WP7 the same as WebOS.
The thing is you guys act as if the competition will just stay the same. You act as if they wont update.
Just a little piece of what's coming next year:
IPhone 5
IOS5
Nexus 2(not s)
Ipad 2
EVO 2
HTC Knight(maybe the same as EVO 2)
honeycomb
Maybe even cdma iPhone
Galaxy S2
That's just a small part of the competition. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes.
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Wasn't being negative, just posted something that you didn't like.
Apple and Google are more than likely looking at WP7 the same as WebOS.
The thing is you guys act as if the competition will just stay the same. You act as if they wont update.
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There's a slight difference between WebOS and MS - cash, and lots of it. Apple and Google knew that WebOS was a long shot, and that it had to succeed very, very quickly, because they knew Palm couldn't withstand losses for very long before they were in real trouble.
Safe to say MS doesn't have that problem. They can afford to take the long view, and they will. There's no possible way that MS won't have a significant presence in the mobile space.
And to be honest, Apple hasn't really updated - not in any sort of appreciable way, and they've paid the price. Steve's stubbornness is detrimental to their OS, and he'd better relent on some of his "True-isms", or they'll continue to pay a price.
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There's a slight difference between WebOS and MS - cash, and lots of it. Apple and Google knew that WebOS was a long shot, and that it had to succeed very, very quickly, because they knew Palm couldn't withstand losses for very long before they were in real trouble.
Safe to say MS doesn't have that problem. They can afford to take the long view, and they will. There's no possible way that MS won't have a significant presence in the mobile space.
And to be honest, Apple hasn't really updated - not in any sort of appreciable way, and they've paid the price. Steve's stubbornness is detrimental to their OS, and he'd better relent on some of his "True-isms", or they'll continue to pay a price.
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You make some good points, but I'm thinking Microsoft is following the exact same road.
I highly doubt they will have a significant presence in the mobile market. I'm pretty sure they will share the same market as WebOS and Rim.
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You make some good points, but I'm thinking Microsoft is following the exact same road.
I highly doubt they will have a significant presence in the mobile market. I'm pretty sure they will share the same market as WebOS and Rim.
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It's possible, but I think it's too early to tell. I think what they're really aiming for is the 80% of the total cell phone market that still uses a feature phone. With those kinds of numbers, they don't need a piece of Google or Apple's pie (pardon the pun).
For what it's worth, a good friend, and longtime iPhone user switched to WP7 after he saw mine. And every other iPhone user I've showed it to has displayed elements of envy. Whether or not it's enough to cause them to switch, is another thing, and as of yet not known.
Regardless, it will be interesting to watch, especially if MS keeps updating and innovating the platform.
WP7 is already tons better than WebOS ever was. It has actual developers and an actual app store, supported on phones with big screens and fast processors etc.. not even comparable.
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It's possible, but I think it's too early to tell. I think what they're really aiming for is the 80% of the total cell phone market that still uses a feature phone. With those kinds of numbers, they don't need a piece of Google or Apple's pie (pardon the pun).
For what it's worth, a good friend, and longtime iPhone user switched to WP7 after he saw mine. And every other iPhone user I've showed it to has displayed elements of envy. Whether or not it's enough to cause them to switch, is another thing, and as of yet not known.
Regardless, it will be interesting to watch, especially if MS keeps updating and innovating the platform.
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That's another good point. I didn't even look at it from that point of view.
However IOS has become too blah, and IOS 5 or maybe 6 will address this. You can't beat Apple by following the same road.
What's innovative in WP7? When they allow the unreal engine, things will be more interesting.
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WP7 is already tons better than WebOS ever was. It has actual developers and an actual app store, supported on phones with big screens and fast processors etc.. not even comparable.
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That's highly opinionated. However your other points are correct. The Pre2 was a nail in the coffin.
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You make some good points, but I'm thinking Microsoft is following the exact same road.
I highly doubt they will have a significant presence in the mobile market. I'm pretty sure they will share the same market as WebOS and Rim.
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doesn't rim own like 24% of the smartphone market?
No.
http://www.google.com/m/url?ei=vDQR...IQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHQAMucpmohpAbaW31UQAreEuVYIw
vetvito said:
No.
http://www.google.com/m/url?ei=vDQR...IQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHQAMucpmohpAbaW31UQAreEuVYIw
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That's just one quarter's worth of numbers. RIM still has the most smartphones in use in the US right now.
RIght now? Prove it.
I see what you mean, they were at 40%.
What you're missing is that the vast majority of the 1.5 million units _sold_ by manufacturers are actually also sold to end-users - as we all know a lot of stockists worldwide are on backorder at the moment.
I personally know several developers (myself being one) that did not get their hands on an actual device until after the six week mark due to low stock locally - this from people across three continents.
Worth mentioning is also that two weeks out of those six there was hardly any stock at all anywhere as manufacturers only part-delivered what was initially ordered from the carriers in Europe and Australia. It was only just before the US launch that they were able to even start meeting demand.
Looking at the raw figures though, compared to the iOS and Android launches, I would say these sales are on par. Of course that's not an entirely fair comparison as more people, overall, are buying smartphones today than they did back then but still.
vetvito said:
RIght now? Prove it.
I see what you mean, they were at 40%.
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I was about to get on you... Its a pretty well known fact that RIM holds the majority stake in the smartphone market. Been that way for awhile now. Don't know how much longer that will be but if WP7 got to that level I think itd be considered a great success.
I decided to share this commentary here from my WP7 fansite http://www.L337ware.com because I wanted to see how you all felt about the subject and honestly my site doesn't get alot of traffic being a homegrown effort.
"First off I have to admit I may be a victim of my own self imposed hype. Now that I got that out of the way I can’t help being a little bit dissapointed at the Windows Phone 7 news coming out of CES 2011. For example where is the promise of new blockbuster applications such as Pandora, Skype, Hulu, and many more key fixtures available of other platforms? How bout some cool new phones to compete with the flood of amazing Android powered hardware on the way? Maybe some new XBox live features like voice support? Instead we get the somewhat creepy rantings from the queen of the butterfly cult and a lackluster list of future game titles. I don’t really need it to justify my purchase but while Microsoft was all over Kinect sales numbers they seem to shy away from talking about the market performance of their now heavily discounted Windows Phones. Honestly most people are well aware of the features of the more immediate update but talking more about the plans for the later half of the year would have giving early adopters quite a bit of comfort. I’m a pretty avid fan of Microsoft and their products but even I can’t help feeling slightly underwhelmed. While I know Microsoft is in this for the long haul and have seen many times how quickly they can refocus a brand to please it’s users I have to say that CES 2011 is not really get me excited for Windows Phone 7."
L337Ware said:
I don’t really need tit to justify my purchase...
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If I'm at a strip club, I need tit to justify my purchase
i like your site! if i can remember , i'll read it!
zukа said:
If I'm at a strip club, I need tit to justify my purchase
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Thank you so much for catching the random tit. Now that we all know what thoughts I'm surpressing while i'm on the internet we can carry on with our evening.
good thing i didnt jump on the wp7 at first site. i rather had wait to see how the developers would or would not embrace it. also the current phones seem to be outdated after reading the new android phones show cased at ces. the dell venue pro did peak my interest for its portrait slider and large screen but i wanted a front facing camera also. guess ill have to keep waiting for the next best thing
yes no new news for wp7 at ces was dissapointing. they did seem to avoid talking about their phones
c_legaspi said:
good thing i didnt jump on the wp7 at first site. i rather had wait to see how the developers would or would not embrace it. also the current phones seem to be outdated after reading the new android phones show cased at ces. the dell venue pro did peak my interest for its portrait slider and large screen but i wanted a front facing camera also. guess ill have to keep waiting for the next best thing
yes no new news for wp7 at ces was dissapointing. they did seem to avoid talking about their phones
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Honestly passed the geek **** fight that occurs when we start talking about our toys the Windows Phone has been a great experience so while I won't try to change your mind I will say it's been one of the most comfortable platforms I've used for a mobile device in my lifetime. I have no regrets from picking it up over iOS or Android but like a greedy child I want more and I want it from Microsoft yesterday.
zukа said:
If I'm at a strip club, I need tit to justify my purchase
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ok, LMFAO...heh
That was good...anyway back on topic..
As quoted here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10393777#post10393777
Maybe we are waiting for the Mobile World Congress starting on February 14th for new models to hit ?
Reflexx1 said:
Nothing really new.
When an MS rep was questioned, he did say something like (I'm paraphrasing), "We're saving some news for a later date. Only if there was an event coming up dedicated to mobile devices in Barcelona, Spain where we could talk about this..."
Making a not so thinly veiled reference to the Mobile World Congress starting on February 14th.
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Another site for my favs...I'll read it as long as it's updated
Nice site. If you need any casual contributers, give me a holler.
Reflexx1 said:
Nice site. If you need any casual contributers, give me a holler.
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I may definately take you up on that. It's a bit daunting doing all of this by myself and the few Android users I have now as casual contributors act like they will get struck with lightening if they post anything productive on the site.
L337Ware said:
... we get the somewhat creepy rantings from the queen of the butterfly cult and a lackluster list of future game titles.."
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sad but true they need to pick up the pace and satisfy us, their community and costumers. Both the iOS and Android, their competitors, are growing really fast, adding a lot more for our beloved WP7 to catch up with
heh
now that I've cooled down from the shock I can say that most of us put too much of expectation into yesterday announcement, and when it not satisfy our needs most of us (like me) felt like being cheated or thrown out
as for the new models, I just really don't think that it would make difference, since what we want is the change in software, not a 4.5" with Tigra and half-day battery to go along with it
i really like the l337ware site, definitely one for the bookmarks
hassler said:
as for the new models, I just really don't think that it would make difference, since what we want is the change in software, not a 4.5" with Tigra and half-day battery to go along with it
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Says who ??? Out of all the specs of ALL the WP7 phones, nothing is like WOW. Really, everything on every model has been done already by another maker or platform. I don't think anyone wants a 4.5" display, unless it's a tablet, it does not fit in the pocket too well. MS needs a show stopper, a really HOT WP7 phones, they don't have one. There is nice phones don't get me wrong but, no WOW phones.
I can honestly say CES had some Android phones that were faster and nicer displays, still not WOW but, a very strong Hmmmm. If they were WP7 models, I might get a happy about them.
Still dreaming for a Verizon WP7 phone...and not the Trophy
Agreed. Wp7 still doesn't have a superphone that can compete with you-know-iWho.
i am not sure what ppl were hoping from the CES and microsoft, WP7 was just launched in Oct 2010 and we are still waiting for the first update... adding on new things to the OS before the update will be not a wise thing to do...
come on guys this is CES not Mobile world Forum, and i hope some of you were not hoping for more hardware to be launched 3 months after the initial launch of the OS and 6 devices..
i was only hoping for the update date or week only... any way MS was tight liped with the WP7 and i think they will be tight liped for the update as well...
Here's a bit more info extracted by mobilitydigest:
http://mobilitydigest.com/windows-phone-7-updates-from-ces-2011/
efjay said:
Here's a bit more info extracted by mobilitydigest:
http://mobilitydigest.com/windows-phone-7-updates-from-ces-2011/
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The indecision on the Skydrive stuff is beginning to p*ss me off.
Well I have to say, that it's probably better off to wait for the MWC in February for phone news, I will wait for that to see whether I should wait for some decent spec'd wp7 devices, or just jump on the android ship.
WP7 is impressive OS but there is no killer WP7 device on the market. Dell Venur pro is one worth buying but I don't like its portrait keyboard. I'll wait for Nokia WP7 phone later this year.
adesonic said:
The indecision on the Skydrive stuff is beginning to p*ss me off.
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Well me too.....
I went into an ATT store today to see if it was worth picking up a focus S to play sidebar to my lumia 800 today and a representative walked up to me ecstatic. The first words out of her mouth were "I've been waiting for someone to stop drooling over that tired old iPhone for 30 minutes so I could show them this phone, hi, I'm Katie." she then proceeded to pull out her own focus, walk me over to an iPhone, and show me how much smoother the wp7 device was and even used the term "peoplecentric." All the while I feigned ignorance and awe at the phone. She was absolutely ecstatic about wp7 and spent a good 20 minutes just raving about how revolutionary it was. After her spiel I showed off my lumia as well as my son's and told her that the focus series were the only U.S. based phones I have. I asked her if she'd get commission if I did buy it, she hesitantly admitted that she would, and I bought it for that reason alone. She gave me some sense of hope for the dreadful carrier interference in the success of a superior OS.
Dude, did you get her facebook?!
Okay, kidding. Nice to see that someone is doing a great job showing off WP7.
...maybe AT&T got my memo lol...cool story!
Very cool !
z33dev33l said:
I went into an ATT store today to see if it was worth picking up a focus S to play sidebar to my lumia 800 today and a representative walked up to me ecstatic. The first words out of her mouth were "I've been waiting for someone to stop drooling over that tired old iPhone for 30 minutes so I could show them this phone, hi, I'm Katie." she then proceeded to pull out her own focus, walk me over to an iPhone, and show me how much smoother the wp7 device was and even used the term "peoplecentric." All the while I feigned ignorance and awe at the phone. She was absolutely ecstatic about wp7 and spent a good 20 minutes just raving about how revolutionary it was. After her spiel I showed off my lumia as well as my son's and told her that the focus series were the only U.S. based phones I have. I asked her if she'd get commission if I did buy it, she hesitantly admitted that she would, and I bought it for that reason alone. She gave me some sense of hope for the dreadful carrier interference in the success of a superior OS.
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For that reason alone?
It showed that not all carrier salespeople are completely blind. I've actually been one of those who's encountered numerous reps who think we're running winmo and one who said it was laggy compared to his vibrant which I was excited to disprove. It was nice to see a knowledgeable rep.
Did you get her phone number ?
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So, when a salesperson favors Android or iOS over WP, they are "blind", but when one refers to the iPhone (which is another product they are responsible to sell) as a "tired old" device, they are cool? Gotcha. No hypocrisy going on here.
RoboDad said:
So, when a salesperson favors Android or iOS over WP, they are "blind", but when one refers to the iPhone (which is another product they are responsible to sell) as a "tired old" device, they are cool? Gotcha. No hypocrisy going on here.
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No when people go in asking about wp7 and the salespeople try to tell them about android instead or say incorrect things about the os they are blind..
Jesus does one positive story about at&t bother you that much?
She was obviously a little upset at the lack of an iPhone 5 this year. The slight differences in the 4 and 4s were a downer. She mentioned how she was an apple fangirl until she saw the 4s. Either way, the point was that it's nice to see a knowledgeable rep at att.
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oh look, n8ters boyfriend/second account...
No when people go in asking about wp7 and the salespeople try to tell them about android instead or say incorrect things about the os they are blind..
Jesus does one positive story about at&t bother you that much?
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Thank you for yet another childish, offensive, utterly ignorant post (which as been reported). Go back to second grade, please.
As for the "one positive story" comment, it wasn't positive. It displayed the exact same kind of ignorant bias on the part of a salesperson that all of the WP zealots condemn every day. But since it was bias AGAINST iPhone, that makes it all OK.
No, the reason for praise was the fact that att miraculously hired a knowledgeable rep.
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No, the reason for praise was the fact that att miraculously hired a knowledgeable rep.
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Again, favoring WP over iOS does not make one knowledgeable. Nor does favoring iOS over WP.
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Again, favoring WP over iOS does not make one knowledgeable. Nor does favoring iOS over WP.
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that had nothing to even do with it, yet that's all you derive from the story.
Shows your own bias.
It was the fact she actually knew about the os and didn't try to talk him into another os when he mentioned wp7.
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She was obviously a little upset at the lack of an iPhone 5 this year. The slight differences in the 4 and 4s were a downer. She mentioned how she was an apple fangirl until she saw the 4s. Either way, the point was that it's nice to see a knowledgeable rep at att.
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Ahh, you didn't mention her resentment at first. What I don't understand is what people were expecting to be different with ip5 as compared to the 4s ? A different numeral ?
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that had nothing to even do with it, yet that's all you derive from the story.
Shows your own bias.
It was the fact she actually knew about the os and didn't try to talk him into another os when he mentioned wp7.
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Yes, I have a bias - against hypocrites. The OP didn't say "it was great to find a salesperson who knew about WP", he went out of his way to point out how she called the iPhone a "tired old" device. And he also implied that not favoring WP makes a salesperson "completely blind". That is what raises my ire. It is ignorant and hypocritical.
I never said or implied any such thing. I merely respected the fact that she was knowledgeable about the device rather than shoving me over to android or ios like every other GSM carrier. Most cdma carriers don't even know they offer windows phones. What you took from it, you took because you wanted to flame bait me. You took one sentence from the entire statement and made it out to be everything. Sadly I didn't recall her sales pitch from memory, otherwise there'd be full chat logs.
I believe with the 4s people were expecting improvements beyond a camera. Their processor still doesn't make it run as smooth as wp7 so I hardly call that an upgrade, and the best software increase is something they bought off of their own market.
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I never said or implied any such thing.
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Oh really?
z33dev33l said:
The first words out of her mouth were "I've been waiting for someone to stop drooling over that tired old iPhone..."
...She gave me some sense of hope for the dreadful carrier interference in the success of a superior OS.
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z33dev33l said:
It showed that not all carrier salespeople are completely blind.
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Maybe it wasn't your intent to give off a fanboyish vibe, but considering how much fanboyism there is on display in this forum (from both zealots and haters), perhaps you should proofread your posts to ensure they convey the tone you intend, and not something more incendiary.
If it is my job to sell something, would I not be considered incompetent? Yeah, this Audi is terrible, lets enter my comfort zone with a ford. That Audi is running on steam and therefor is inferior. I never said that I don't have a personal preference, however I believe it was clear that I'm not praising her for hers. It was simply pleasant that someone knew something about that which they were selling. When I tell carriers that I want social network integration, they veer me towards android, that is not the best option. When I had a vibrant and I asked about phones with netflix, they veered me towards the vibrant 4g with promises of "it's coming." The HD7 was readily available. The carriers are generally ignorant assuming that winmo and windows phone are the same thing. When cellphones are your financial income, take the time to learn about them.
RoboDad said:
Maybe it wasn't your intent to give off a fanboyish vibe, but considering how much fanboyism there is on display in this forum (from both zealots and haters), perhaps you should proofread your posts to ensure they convey the tone you intend, and not something more incendiary.
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Talk about backtracking. I equally suggest that perhaps you look at people's posts more neutrally instead of assuming there is fanboyism in them, which you seem to have done.