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OK I get my device tomorrow and I'm so happy! I plan to root it and I just wanted to know if flashing an ICS can potentially harm the device? Say that I flash back to a GB rom will everything still be perfect and work? Thanks
Sorry for all the questions just want to be sure for my device's arrival!
Do a nandroid backup first and if something goes wrong you can allways restore the back up and voila everything working perfect again. I do it all the time
Any flash can potentially harm a device...like docmarioce stated nandroid first. You can always pull one of the GB recovery ROMs from the Dev forum to go completely back to GB.
I'd highly, highly recommend watching some of qbking77's youtube videos on flashing, he's done an amazing job putting these together.
^^^ yeah, QBKing is awesome!
Darrien13 said:
OK I get my device tomorrow and I'm so happy! I plan to root it and I just wanted to know if flashing an ICS can potentially harm the device? Say that I flash back to a GB rom will everything still be perfect and work? Thanks
Sorry for all the questions just want to be sure for my device's arrival!
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You have to Odin back to EL29 if you are on an ICS ROM and want to go back to GB.
Read, read, read before flashing any ROM
Enjoy your new phone!
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Don't use the recovery found on ANY ICS ROM. That means if you flash CM9, Calk's, Blendz, Venum (any ICS Rom leak), you will have ICS Rogue Repack Recovery which is known for BRICKING so many phones.
Note that, it's not the creator of the Rogue Recovery repack to blame, it is that Samsung is packing faulty kernels; Steady Hawkin, the creator, has even bricked his phone using his own tried and true methods. For some reason, the samsung kernels for ICS mess up the partitions on the phone when the recovery on an ICS leak is used.
So to sum things up.
1. DO NOT FLASH/WIPE/ RESTORE anything with the recovery repacked with the ICS leak ROMs.
2. If you want to flash, odin stock EL26 CWM.
(You might want to use the autoroot method by sfhub to install because odin'ing stuff gives you a yellow triangle on boot—Don't trust me on this, just a guess)
3. DO NOT FLASH/WIPE/RESTORE or even think of using the recovery found on any ICS ROM. Some CM9 users have bricked their phone simply by wiping cache on the recovery in CM9.
When you boot into recovery on an ICS ROM LEAK, and you see ROGUE, DO NOT FLASH/WIPE RESTORE! Run away!
My tone might be overexaggerated, but there have been many bricks reported on the CM9 dev thread here that I frequent. Those who used the rogue repack kernels found on ICS rom leaks instead of taking the safer route of odin'ing stock EL26 CWM and flashing/wiping/restoring on that, have bricked their phones.
CM9 thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1544233
More info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525495
Be safe, and read read read.
Flashing ICS
I have successfully flashed a ICS ROM and then restored a backup to GB. This was before I was warned I have seen many of my friends hard brick there phone. I am waiting for a stable ICS ROM with a stable CWM.
Paden32 said:
I have successfully flashed a ICS ROM and then restored a backup to GB. This was before I was warned I have seen many of my friends hard brick there phone. I am waiting for a stable ICS ROM with a stable CWM.
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same here. i actually wiped everything and it didnt brick. works just fine now! GB >>>> ICS
Flashing ICS
I have been hearing from people that the official ICS rom comes out March 15 I hope it does cant wait.
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I have been hearing from people that the official ICS rom comes out March 15 I hope it does cant wait.
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ICS is actually being pushed to the International version now in some places. I don't honestly thing we will see a March 15th date for us however (but hey I could be wrong)
As for Flashing ICS please read carefully there have been a ton of Bricks flashing ICS roms with ICS based kernels that have a recovery added to them. Your best bet honestly is to relax and chill read for awhile or a bit and when you feel confident in doing it then do so. My words for you ALWAYS keep Odin handy and if you do want to go back to a GB based rom then Odin a GB rom (like sfhub's EL29 Stock rooted) and push a GB based kernel with his auto root package.
Some people are lucky when using the ICS kernel recovery; in fact I am one of them . But eventually that luck will run out. I'm fortunate that I learned about its dangers before I could get a chance to brick my phone.
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Some people are lucky when using the ICS kernel recovery; in fact I am one of them . But eventually that luck will run out. I'm fortunate that I learned about its dangers before I could get a chance to brick my phone.
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Yes some have been lucky this is true. But when I see one of our own devs Brick their device from doing it not just users (thought they do count as well) I tend to be on the safe side and give people the way not only myself but others have done things for flashing between different roms and have so far always been safe
Here is what worked for me...
Download stock rom for ics fc07
Download rogue stock fc07 kernel
Place both on external SD card
Use sfhub's one click root method
Use sfhub's clockwork method
Make a backup
Wipe everything and run calks format all zip
Flash the rom and kernel (and modem) in the same setting and ur gtg
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Would you guys recommend not flashing anything ICS?
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Would you guys recommend not flashing anything ICS?
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I would say as long as you have Odin and take your time (whether its going to ICS or back to Gingerbread) then you will have no problems. If you want to be really safe, make it a rule that you flash ICS from a Gingerbread EL26 kernel w/CWM Recovery and if you want to flash something else once on ICS, Odin flash back to stock Gingerbread, Odin flash kernel with recovery and go from there. You can always PM me and I can shoot you links as well. Some people aren't having problems flashing from ICS w/ custom recovery but many have..including some devs
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Mobile odin??
Edit... Never mind
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Is ics worth people bricking there phone,then going to different phone because there mad?
My brother has ICS and he loves it but I'm not taking the chance of bricking phone.....i keep seeing alota people who bricked there phone.
But is anyone sticking with GB and making more Roms and themes.
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Well as far as sticking with GB development despite working on an ICS rom, sfhub released an update to his GB rom as well.
But if you odin over a stock ics rom and don't do anything stupid you should be pretty safe from bricking. Obviously usual risks for writing firmware to a device apply. Custom rom's should be flashed from GB instead of ICS CWM. Though I have had no issues flashing from ICS, taking risks that you were told not to take is your own fault.
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Well as far as sticking with GB development despite working on an ICS rom, sfhub released an update to his GB rom as well.
But if you odin over a stock ics rom and don't do anything stupid you should be pretty safe from bricking. Obviously usual risks for writing firmware to a device apply. Custom rom's should be flashed from GB instead of ICS CWM. Though I have had no issues flashing from ICS, taking risks that you were told not to take is your own fault.
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Well i know....but I can't take that chance so I'm sticking with gb till its safe lol,but it seems like no one else is making any new roms or atleast themes for GB
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ScubaSteev said:
Well i know....but I can't take that chance so I'm sticking with gb till its safe lol,but it seems like no one else is making any new roms or atleast themes for GB
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Using the 1-click ODIN method to flash an official leaked build of ICS is perfectly safe. Bricking happens when you use a recovery to wipe data and/or caches. Something about the new ICS kernel not being fully compatible with the current recoveries or something. As long as you don't mess with a custom recovery and just ODIN the stock leaked ROM, Kernel, and Recovery, you will not brick the phone. Until Samsung releases the kernel source, stay away from CWM or anything else that's not stock. Let me reiterate this point: stock Samsung leaks flashed via ODIN are safe. Do not touch any CWM/Kernel repacks or flash anything (other than stock leaks) via ODIN or otherwise until Samsung releases the kernel source.
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Using the 1-click ODIN method to flash an official leaked build of ICS is perfectly safe. Bricking happens when you use a recovery to wipe data and/or caches. Something about the new ICS kernel not being fully compatible with the current recoveries or something. As long as you don't mess with a custom recovery and just ODIN the stock leaked ROM, Kernel, and Recovery, you will not brick the phone. Until Samsung releases the kernel source, stay away from CWM or anything else that's not stock. Let me reiterate this point: stock Samsung leaks flashed via ODIN are safe. Do not touch any CWM/Kernel repacks or flash anything (other than stock leaks) via ODIN or otherwise until Samsung releases the kernel source.
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Well i might try it.....i don't have a computer though so i still wont beable to try ics
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I've flash a ROM through an ICS Rogue Recovery several times, I just use Calkunlin's format-all ZIP.
I think most of the bricks happened with people flashing over AOKP/CM9/Codename through CWM. I've only flashed TW leaked based ROMs and had no issues, but of course ODIN would be the safest way to go about flashing ICS. All the ICS I flashed were from Rujelus22 (beta's) and FD05 from Agat63 (last night but for a little bit, then format all and flashed back to the previous ICS ROM).
You could always just revert to GB through ODIN, and flash an ICS ROM that way. ICS is great, but if GB is working perfectly fine for you and you don't mind waiting, I say stay on it.
As the poster above stated most bricks happen when coming from CM9/AOKP/AOSP/Codename. I've flashed through fb21 rogue repacked kernel multiple times. I just stay with the leaks(Blend ICS, Blend ICS XPLOD, Venums Anakonda, and Calkulins E4GT 2 ROMs). They work great and I really haven't had any bad experiences with them. I use stock(no cwm) kernels and mobile odin back to fb21 repack to flash new ROMS. I'm a flashaholic and flash back and forth when new versions come out.
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Well when i get a laptop ill have to try it out
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Pick up mobile odin, you can flash sfhub's one-click packages but you'll have to do the modem separately.
Esoteric68 said:
Pick up mobile odin, you can flash sfhub's one-click packages but you'll have to do the modem separately.
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There is that and a good program it is but he can also flash from cwm on gingerbread if he has a kernel installed and id find that preferable. Of course if not can always flash a rogue kernel using mobile odin.
Remember don't use touch recovery!
quick questions can i restore a GB backup on ICS or should i odin back to EL29?
Odin
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tykalx said:
quick questions can i restore a GB backup on ICS or should i odin back to EL29?
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ODIN only. Don't even think about restoring a GB backup on ICS.
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Mark.J.Linskiy said:
I've flash a ROM through an ICS Rogue Recovery several times, I just use Calkunlin's format-all ZIP.
I think most of the bricks happened with people flashing over AOKP/CM9/Codename through CWM. I've only flashed TW leaked based ROMs and had no issues, but of course ODIN would be the safest way to go about flashing ICS. All the ICS I flashed were from Rujelus22 (beta's) and FD05 from Agat63 (last night but for a little bit, then format all and flashed back to the previous ICS ROM).
You could always just revert to GB through ODIN, and flash an ICS ROM that way. ICS is great, but if GB is working perfectly fine for you and you don't mind waiting, I say stay on it.
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I don't think the bricks have anything to do with AOKP/CM9, etc but rather formatting caches from within a GB recovery packed with an ICS kernel. Calk's format-all zip may be a safe way to do it, but from what I've read, it was the format process through recovery that caused the MMC chip failure. And even the AOKP instructions specifically say to flash from GB kernel/recovery because doing it from an ICS kernel/recovery can brick the phone. It's the ICS kernel at fault here, but we're not going to know specifically why until the source is released. Until then, I'd recommend not messing with repacked ICS kernels.
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ODIN only. Don't even think about restoring a GB backup on ICS.
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I don't think the bricks have anything to do with AOKP/CM9, etc but rather formatting caches from within a GB recovery packed with an ICS kernel. Calk's format-all zip may be a safe way to do it, but from what I've read, it was the format process through recovery that caused the MMC chip failure. And even the AOKP instructions specifically say to flash from GB kernel/recovery because doing it from an ICS kernel/recovery can brick the phone. It's the ICS kernel at fault here, but we're not going to know specifically why until the source is released. Until then, I'd recommend not messing with repacked ICS kernels.
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Most of the bricks were caused by people flashing over AOPK/CM9/etc, I know it has to do with the Kernel as well but I'm saying that chances are much higher if you're flashing over those ROMs. Thing is, to flash a TW ICS leaked based ROM, I only use Calkulin's format all, but I've also flashed Kernels/Modems through the Rogue repacked after wiping dalvik/cache and haven't had an issue. I know for sure that formatting manually before a ROM flash will probably cause a brick as well and flashing the AOSP based ROMs in an ICS recovery will most likely do the same. Either way, Odin is the safest and best way, especially if some is hesitant.
Hope you don't take it as me being a jerk or anything, just saying it how I know it, even though I may be wrong.
Mark.J.Linskiy said:
Most of the bricks were caused by people flashing over AOPK/CM9/etc, I know it has to do with the Kernel as well but I'm saying that chances are much higher if you're flashing over those ROMs. Thing is, to flash a TW ICS leaked based ROM, I only use Calkulin's format all, but I've also flashed Kernels/Modems through the Rogue repacked after wiping dalvik/cache and haven't had an issue. I know for sure that formatting manually before a ROM flash will probably cause a brick as well and flashing the AOSP based ROMs in an ICS recovery will most likely do the same. Either way, Odin is the safest and best way, especially if some is hesitant.
Hope you don't take it as me being a jerk or anything, just saying it how I know it, even though I may be wrong.
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No, I don't think you are being a jerk at all, and I'm trying to learn something along the way as well. We are both simply trying to prevent another bricked device, I just tend to be extremely cautious, perhaps even unnecessarily cautious. But I came here from an Evo 4G that was bricked by a bad recovery (Team Win Recovery Project touch recovery killed quite a few Evos), so I only use the absolute safest method possible for myself, which is ODIN and stock leaks. I will go back to CWM once the source is released and we know what's actually going on.
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No, I don't think you are being a jerk at all, and I'm trying to learn something along the way as well. We are both simply trying to prevent another bricked device, I just tend to be extremely cautious, perhaps even unnecessarily cautious. But I came here from an Evo 4G that was bricked by a bad recovery (Team Win Recovery Project touch recovery killed quite a few Evos), so I only use the absolute safest method possible for myself, which is ODIN and stock leaks. I will go back to CWM once the source is released and we know what's actually going on.
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Yeah, I completely understand. I didn't touch a single ICS ROM until I was asked to do some testing, and even when updated the Beta I would Odin back to GB then flash it. The developer told me he had no issues with flashing the format ZIP and flashing his Betas so I tried it and no issues. It's always good to stay cautious, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with what you're doing, since after-all, it is your personal device. I recommend people use Odin as well, especially for those who aren't completely sure what they're doing. Makes perfect sense for staying away from CWM until the source is out.
All so understandable......better to have more people then less people asking question.s and giving answers....its helping me alot
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All so understandable......better to have more people then less people asking question.s and giving answers....its helping me alot
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Yup, that's what makes it a good community. Glad it's helping you out, and if you decide to flash, good luck!
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Yup, that's what makes it a good community. Glad it's helping you out, and if you decide to flash, good luck!
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Ima try to learn a little more then flash....thanks for all info guys/gals
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I've been on ICS roms for about a month (Calkulin's with ICS4ICS theme) and I have to admit that the battery life is absolutely horrible compared to GB roms
Need to brush up on my vocabulary.
-odin
-modem
Best tutorial for custom recovery?
Currently stock rooted. EL29? Idk what that means either.
Coming from an htc evo 3d.
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eyeisdasteve said:
Need to brush up on my vocabulary.
-odin
-modem
Best tutorial for custom recovery?
Currently stock rooted. EL29? Idk what that means either.
Coming from an htc evo 3d.
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Brush up on vocabulary by reading everything in the forums here .... El29 is the last GB ota .... Please read and really understand before doing anything like flashing ics on the phone or you will run a good chance of bricking ....have fun learning and be safe this is nothing like a HTC
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Epix4G said:
Brush up on vocabulary by reading everything in the forums here .... El29 is the last GB ota .... Please read and really understand before doing anything like flashing ics on the phone or you will run a good chance of bricking ....have fun learning and be safe this is nothing like a HTC
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Haha. I noticed.
Figured someone could explain what the odin and modem was tho.
Ill poke around.
And try not to brick. I have a usb jig on the way. So im not crazy worried.
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eyeisdasteve said:
Need to brush up on my vocabulary.
-odin
-modem
Best tutorial for custom recovery?
Currently stock rooted. EL29? Idk what that means either.
Coming from an htc evo 3d.
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Odin is a program used to flash recoveries/kernels, roms (usually just stock roms), and modems. There's an open source alternative called Heimdall that works well too. you can purchase Mobile Odin from the Play Store if you want to flash kernels directly from your phone. This makes it convenient when you cant or dont feel like using Odin on your computer to flash a new recovery onto your phone. ALWAYS USE **PDA** SLOT FOR RECOVERIES/KERNELS/ROMS. ALWAYS USE **PHONE** SLOT FOR MODEMS. Odin/Heimdall DO NOT flash .zip files. They only flash .tar files (kernels/roms) and .bin files (modems). Again, ALWAYS USE **PDA** SLOT FOR RECOVERIES/KERNELS/ROMS. ALWAYS USE **PHONE** SLOT FOR MODEMS.
Modem is the radio. Kernel versions dont have to match the modem version. You can be on kernel EL29 but still have a modem of FD16, and vise versa. Some people have better luck with the latest modems, some people have better luck with older modems. Your mileage may vary.
As for recoveries, they are always (always) packaged and flashed with a kernel. This is how Samsung does business (at least on most of their phones). Some kernels include a custom recovery, others dont. As of now, no ICS kernel comes with a custom recovery (actually this statement might not be accurate now that i think about it). Whenever you flash an ICS rom (which comes prepackaged with a kernel), you will always lose your recovery. No bigs, just Odin a kernel (ALWAYS USE **PDA** SLOT FOR KERNELS/ROMS. ALWAYS USE **PHONE** SLOT FOR MODEMS.) that includes a custom recovery (the most popular one is EL26 with CMW [search for it]). Most roms you encounter will be flashed through Recovery. If it's a .zip file, it's flashed in Recovery.
"Currently stock rooted" means you're on a stock rom that's rooted.
"EL29" most likely refers to the kernel that is packaged in the rom, but it can refer to your modem version too. The first letter represents the year; the second letter represents the month; the number represents the date of the month the kernel/modem was built.
E = year (2011)
L = month (December)
29 = date (29th, hurrrrrr)
So if someone's modem is FD19, that means:
F = 2012
D = April
19 = 19th
All ICS kernels begin with F because all ICS kernels were leaked/released in 2012. All GB kernels begin with E because they were all released in 2011.
The last stock rom/OTA released by Samsung was EL29. There have been some Samsung ICS leaks however; they range from FB## - FD##.
cnstarz said:
Odin is a program used to flash recoveries/kernels, roms, and modems. There's an open source alternative called Heimdall that works well too. you can purchase Mobile Odin from the Play Store if you want to flash kernels directly from your phone. This makes it convenient when you cant or dont feel like using Odin on your computer to flash a new recovery onto your phone. ALWAYS USE **PDA** SLOT FOR RECOVERIES/KERNELS/ROMS. ALWAYS USE **PHONE** SLOT FOR MODEMS. Odin/Heimdall DO NOT flash .zip files. They only flash .tar files (kernels/roms) and .bin files (modems). Again, ALWAYS USE **PDA** SLOT FOR RECOVERIES/KERNELS/ROMS. ALWAYS USE **PHONE** SLOT FOR MODEMS.
Modem is the radio. Kernel versions dont have to match the modem version. You can be on kernel EL29 but still have a modem of FD16, and vise versa. Some people have better luck with the latest modems, some people have better luck with older modems. Your mileage may vary.
As for recoveries, they are always (always) packaged and flashed with a kernel. This is how Samsung does business (at least on most of their phones). Some kernels include a custom recovery, others dont. As of now, no ICS kernel comes with a custom recovery (actually this statement might not be accurate now that i think about it). Whenever you flash an ICS rom (which comes prepackaged with a kernel), you will always lose your recovery. No bigs, just Odin a kernel (ALWAYS USE **PDA** SLOT FOR KERNELS/ROMS. ALWAYS USE **PHONE** SLOT FOR MODEMS.) that includes a custom recovery (the most popular one is EL26 with CMW [search for it]).
"Currently stock rooted" means you're on a stock rom that's rooted.
"EL29" most likely refers to the kernel that is packaged in the rom, but it can refer to your modem version too. The first letter represents the year; the second letter represents the month; the number represents the date of the month the kernel/modem was built.
E = year (2011)
L = month (December)
29 = date (29th, hurrrrrr)
So if someone's modem is FD19, that means:
F = 2012
D = April
19 = 19th
All ICS kernels begin with F because all ICS kernels were leaked/released in 2012. All GB kernels begin with E because they were all released in 2011.
The last stock rom/OTA released by Samsung was EL29. There have been some Samsung ICS leaks however; they range from FB## - FD##.
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K sweet. Very informative.
Not a noob by any means.
But new phone in all. Just trying to learn all the stuff.
Htc is much different. Thanks alot.
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Ok. So if I want to flash Calkulin's rom. Download the rom and radio. Use odin (mobile odin) to flash them.
What about recovery? I didnt see it mentioned.
EDIT: I see it says I need custom recovery to flash. So would I just odin a kernel that has recovery already?
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eyeisdasteve said:
Ok. So if I want to flash Calkulin's rom. Download the rom and radio. Use odin (mobile odin) to flash them.
What about recovery? I didnt see it mentioned.
EDIT: I see it says I need custom recovery to flash. So would I just odin a kernel that has recovery already?
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Both roms tell you what recovery they come with, and tells you that you need to flash them through recovery.
Edit: Yep, just Odin a kernel that has a custom recovery.
So rogue kernel. Would that be the rogue recovery?
So which kernel should I use to odin on just stock EL29 that has recovery?
EDIT: Or....the kernel (with recovery) and rom pack into the zip?
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So rogue kernel. Would that be the rogue recovery?
So which kernel should I use to odin on just stock EL29 that has recovery?
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Yep, they come with Rogue Recovery. You can Odin EL26 with CWM and that will give you CWM so that you can flash those ROMs.
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Yep, they come with Rogue Recovery. You can Odin EL26 with CWM and that will give you CWM so that you can flash those ROMs.
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K sweet. Almost got this figured out. Haha.
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No prob. Also, a HUGE thing to remember...
Just stick with EL26 or EL29 (GB) recovery. Using an ICS recovery (anything beginning with "F") can lead to you permanently bricking your phone. People have been successful using ICS recoveries, but lots of people have also hard bricked their phones using them (me included). Very very very very few people (if any, I cant recall any) have bricked their phones using GB Recoveries.
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No prob. Also, a HUGE thing to remember...
Just stick with EL26 or EL29 (GB) recovery. Using an ICS recovery (anything beginning with "F") can lead to you permanently bricking your phone. People have been successful using ICS recoveries, but lots of people have also hard bricked their phones using them (me included). Very very very very few people (if any, I cant recall any) have bricked their phones using GB Recoveries.
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Ok sweet.
Ill make sure an triple check everything before i flash it.
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Every time u flash a rom it will change your kernel resulting in a different recovery sometimes as Samsung recovery is in the kernel not seperate like HTC ....don't sweat it keep the el26 and mobile Odin and you can flash anything .....also most ics won't come with anything but stock recovery to try to keep people from bricking ics kernels and cwm are to be avoided at all cost right now ... and rom manager sucks for Samsung if you are thinking of using it
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Don't believe anyone has mentioned him yet...
QBKing77's channel on YouTube will be your best friend for figuring stuff out on this phone
Epix4G said:
Every time u flash a rom it will change your kernel resulting in a different recovery sometimes as Samsung recovery is in the kernel not seperate like HTC ....don't sweat it keep the el26 and mobile Odin and you can flash anything .....also most ics won't come with anything but stock recovery to try to keep people from bricking ics kernels and cwm are to be avoided at all cost right now ... and rom manager sucks for Samsung if you are thinking of using it
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How would I even get into stock recovery?
And ok. I think I'm getting the hang of this.
EpicFlair said:
Don't believe anyone has mentioned him yet...
QBKing77's channel on YouTube will be your best friend for figuring stuff out on this phone
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Yes I actually saw some of his videos. Basically put everything I read here and put it into visuals.
+1
eyeisdasteve said:
How would I even get into stock recovery?
And ok. I think I'm getting the hang of this.
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Same as clock work Vol up and power
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Same as clock work Vol up and power
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Ok sweet.
I do realize we can switch between radios and they don't necessarily have to match the rom. I think iylt just goes against how I thought it went together. I have ane evo 3d as well as this phone and that is not the case with that phone. In fact when I am on a later radio with an earlier build rom everything messes up and force closes are everywhere. Just wondering why we are able to upgrade the radio with "no" problems when that modem was built to use a different build. Not to mention its not even the same version ie gb rom and ice cream modem. Any thoughts on this subject?
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patrao_n said:
I do realize we can switch between radios and they don't necessarily have to match the rom. I think iylt just goes against how I thought it went together. I have ane evo 3d as well as this phone and that is not the case with that phone. In fact when I am on a later radio with an earlier build rom everything messes up and force closes are everywhere. Just wondering why we are able to upgrade the radio with "no" problems when that modem was built to use a different build. Not to mention its not even the same version ie gb rom and ice cream modem. Any thoughts on this subject?
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modem's should have zero interactions with apps in a way that can cause them to force close. are you sure you're not confusing modems with kernels?
Hello!
If there is a thread for this already this can be deleted and I would like to be shown the link, but from what I can tell most threads are old info or a bit misleading.
So right now I'm running an ICS ROM. I hadn't looked into the fact that going from ICS to a new ICS ROM back brick the phone, so I looked a bit more into it. From what I gathered, using a recovery on and ICS rom to install a new ICS ROM has a CHANCE to brick the phone?
If this is true, what is the easiest way to go from one rom to another? For my recent ROM I used the guide where I use odin mode to install the stock GB ROM then use another tool to get CWM on my phone then use THAT to install the ROM.
So my main question, is, is that the easiest way to go about changing between ICS roms? Can mobile ODIN be used more effectively? If that's what I have to do that's what I have to do....but I feel like there should be an easier way....hopefully.
Thank you all and thank you devs for all of your hard work!
There's an el26 + cwm kernel our there. I know you can get it from several threads to include the Frankenstein rom. All you need to do is mobile Odin that flash and as long as what rom you flash has an ics kernel you are good to go. No need for multiple flashes and odins
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Ya mobile Odin makes it ez. Flash a non-stock recovery kernel prefferably the el26 cwm on mobile Odin then in cwm use calkulins wipe all zip then flash rom of choice
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okay here's my question is there 1 safe recovery I can use for gingerbread and ICS so I don't have to keep changing recoveries?
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Could be wrong but at this point in time, I wouldn't count on anyone saying "Yes".. to that question.
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davidstjohn1 said:
okay here's my question is there 1 safe recovery I can use for gingerbread and ICS so I don't have to keep changing recoveries?
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Well recovery is packed into the kernel, you can not use the same kernel for both operating systems lol. The phone simply will not boot a GB kernel (linux kernel 2.6.x) with an ICS Kernel (linux kernel3.0.x).
For flashing from ICS i am on CM9 so i just use the safe recovery thats been in the nightlies for awhile, alpha6 as well. TWRP is available for both TW and AOSP i believe. Agat's recovery is available for TW etc.
I think the question you should have asked is which ICS recoveries are safe? Keep in mind a zip with an unsafe updater binary is not safe on a safe recovery except those like TWRP that replace the updater binary when flashing.
Thanks, I'm learning a lot the last week this is def cool learning all of this. Thanks. I didn't realize the kernel was part of the recovery. I come from the Evo 4G and things were really much simpler.
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Yeah the recovery is packed in the initramfs of the kernel on our phone.
I won't say yes but, Agat recovery had allowed me to backup, restore, flash ICS to ICS and even wipe. i am not going to mislead you but it had worked for me everytime. I hard bricked using other recoveries in ICS. Agat is my recovery of choice. I would wait if not confident... Word on the street is that source code is out.
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davidstjohn1 said:
Thanks, I'm learning a lot the last week this is def cool learning all of this. Thanks. I didn't realize the kernel was part of the recovery. I come from the Evo 4G and things were really much simpler.
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Throw some of the stuff you remember about the evo out the wind and keep an open mind about learning how Samsung works. I came from the evo as well and believe me you made a good choice. Learn odin it can be your best friend. Also pick up a jig just in case you need one, they are only a few dollars on ebay.
Good Luck
RainMotorsports said:
Well recovery is packed into the kernel, you can not use the same kernel for both operating systems lol. The phone simply will not boot a GB kernel (linux kernel 2.6.x) with an ICS Kernel (linux kernel3.0.x).
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Not to nitpick but I think you meant you can't boot a GB ROM(not kernel) with a ICS kernel or a ICS ROM with a GB kernel. And also you can, I've seen 2.6.x kernels booting ICS frameworks, it just requires some mods.
For flashing from ICS i am on CM9 so i just use the safe recovery thats been in the nightlies for awhile, alpha6 as well. TWRP is available for both TW and AOSP i believe. Agat's recovery is available for TW etc.
I think the question you should have asked is which ICS recoveries are safe? Keep in mind a zip with an unsafe updater binary is not safe on a safe recovery except those like TWRP that replace the updater binary when flashing.
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The CM9 ROM has all EMMC erases disabled so it is technically "safe". And I believe that there are a few instances where TWRP doesn't manage to replace the update-binary.