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Skyfire out for touch hd

apologeez if this article has already been made but too excited to care. just installed skyfire on my htc touch hd and it works. go to skyfire.com and download it.

Is this likely to be better than Opera already preinstalled?

I'm afraid it's still the same upscaled vga version that's been out for a while.

clown is correct, it's still an improvement over the old skyfire with which you had to use vgaFix with (even nice then alpha), but it's still not quite it.
Also, clown, I have a question (hope you read this), since you're using Dutty's Rom....do people know that if you add where you live to the world clock, it will sync with the weather and display it in the New Appointment in Calander? I don't want to start a thread if everyone already knows.
Thanks

It does 'work', in the sense you can see Flash/video content in-page, but it's important to remember Skyfire is a proxy browser - everything goes via their own server first, and all your form filling goes back through their servers too.
I'm liking the rich media, but not enough to risk them seeing my credit card details, passwords and browsing history!

Tried it a couple of times, and tbh, it's slow as hell.
Think I'll be taking it off soon.

c_lee said:
It does 'work', in the sense you can see Flash/video content in-page, but it's important to remember Skyfire is a proxy browser - everything goes via their own server first, and all your form filling goes back through their servers too.
I'm liking the rich media, but not enough to risk them seeing my credit card details, passwords and browsing history!
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Somehow I doubt the $100k+ salary microsoft engineers care about your credit card number.... or would waste their time looking at your browsing history. Even if they were able to go through all that data and find your card number, you think they'd risk their job for the measily couple Ks in your bank account....ya I doubt that. Not to mention you're one of how many 100s of thousands of people using it daily. But hey, that's your perogative

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Somehow I doubt the $100k+ salary microsoft engineers care about your credit card number.... or would waste their time looking at your browsing history. Even if they were able to go through all that data and find your card number, you think they'd risk their job for the measily couple Ks in your bank account....ya I doubt that. Not to mention you're one of how many 100s of thousands of people using it daily. But hey, that's your perogative
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It's not the Microsoft bods I'd be worried about, and I believe that's the point...

c_lee said:
It does 'work', in the sense you can see Flash/video content in-page, but it's important to remember Skyfire is a proxy browser - everything goes via their own server first, and all your form filling goes back through their servers too.
I'm liking the rich media, but not enough to risk them seeing my credit card details, passwords and browsing history!
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What do you think; the opera mobile, o.mini, IE mobile etc. work in different way than the skyfire? You are wrong!
Like you said before : "everything goes via their own server first"
And the main benefit from it is that pages are loaded quicker.

Feromon said:
What do you think; the opera mobile, o.mini, IE mobile etc. work in different way than the skyfire? You are wrong!
Like you said before : "everything goes via their own server first"
And the main benefit from it is that pages are loaded quicker.
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Opera Mini uses proxying (it compresses to OBML) but in doing so they break end-to-end SSL, and so many secure sites (eBay etc.) refuse the traffic. Opera Mobile connects direct unless you specifically set up a proxy service. Skyfire uses the same concept as Opera Mini, and so breaks the SSL chain, but unlike O-mobile there's no option to turn it off. Because the proxy compression process results in unencrypted data on Skyfire's server (albeit transiently) a number of credit card companies have said the idea (based on how O-mini does it) breaks their rules on fraud protection, so the customer wouldn't be compensated if the card details were stolen.
IE Mobile on WM6.1 does not use proxying. Project Deepfish did, but that was closed in 2008 and the servers disconnected.

c_lee said:
Opera Mini uses proxying (it compresses to OBML) but in doing so they break end-to-end SSL, and so many secure sites (eBay etc.) refuse the traffic. Opera Mobile connects direct unless you specifically set up a proxy service. Skyfire uses the same concept as Opera Mini, and so breaks the SSL chain, but unlike O-mobile there's no option to turn it off. Because the proxy compression process results in unencrypted data on Skyfire's server (albeit transiently) a number of credit card companies have said the idea (based on how O-mini does it) breaks their rules on fraud protection, so the customer wouldn't be compensated if the card details were stolen.
IE Mobile on WM6.1 does not use proxying. Project Deepfish did, but that was closed in 2008 and the servers disconnected.
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I think it's not quite true but maybe I'm wrong. Correct me if so...
Opera does exactly the same. Both Opera and Skyfire pre-render websites through their proxies, the difference being that Opera is text-based and Skyfire is image-based.
That's why Opera loads slower and scrolls quickes (loads the whole text part of the website at once), while Skyfire loads quicker and scrolls slower (loads only the visible part as compressed image, google maps style).

I really don't understand it....everytime I go to their web page I can't seem to download it eventhough I already selected touchscreen and click the download button, nuthin happens

Feromon said:
I think it's not quite true but maybe I'm wrong. Correct me if so...
Opera does exactly the same. Both Opera and Skyfire pre-render websites through their proxies, the difference being that Opera is text-based and Skyfire is image-based.
That's why Opera loads slower and scrolls quickes (loads the whole text part of the website at once), while Skyfire loads quicker and scrolls slower (loads only the visible part as compressed image, google maps style).
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Opera Mobile is not using a proxy, Opera is however launching a new version with a option to use a proxy, search on Opera Turbo.

Browsers

does anybody think that opera made opera mini & 10 final because they are starting to develop a browser for wp7? or is this all just a big coincidence that they did the day after MIX or maybe they have giving up on windows phones & are just gonna focus on android??
thoughts?

No native code equals no alternative browsers.

vangrieg said:
No native code equals no alternative browsers.
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im not so sure i believe that there wont be other browsers, why else would they say that they have no problems with other browsers on the platform just to not allow it or to force them to use the IE engine (wouldnt they need native code or special access to even do that?)
is it possible to get flash working without native code? cuz if not then that shows that they are willing to let it be used i think there will be opera on wp7 & im not talking about that mini crap

Why wouldn't they say they have no problems with alternative browsers? Sure they are nice unlike Apple, you can make any application you want... as long as it's done in SL/XNA.
And of course they do their own stuff in C++, they're not crazy.
As regards Flash, yes, that will be done in C++ as well, no doubt about it. But that adds value to their IE, while Opera is another matter. We'll see. So far they said specifically that SL/XNA is "the whole developer story".

Opera is going to be an option on WP7, but it can never be the default browser.

vangrieg said:
Why wouldn't they say they have no problems with alternative browsers? Sure they are nice unlike Apple, you can make any application you want... as long as it's done in SL/XNA.
And of course they do their own stuff in C++, they're not crazy.
As regards Flash, yes, that will be done in C++ as well, no doubt about it. But that adds value to their IE, while Opera is another matter. We'll see. So far they said specifically that SL/XNA is "the whole developer story".
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at the same time options with different browsers add value to wp7 & unless that new IE is better & faster then safari then they will need it

No because alternative browsers may easily have Google as default search engine.

vangrieg said:
No because alternative browsers may easily have Google as default search engine.
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IE on the pc can have google as the default search engine & even if the bowsers have it also you still wont be able to set google as the search button so people will still be using bing at the end of the day anyway

vangrieg said:
No native code equals no alternative browsers.
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Opera Mini doesn't run natively.

Yeah, but it's also not a browser really.

Microsoft never said that they wouldn't allow apps that competed with app that come with the platform. They said that It just can't be the default app. If you open a link in a outlook mail or you text message it will automatically go to the IE browser. But your allowed to use alternative browsers.

Shasarak said:
Opera Mini doesn't run natively.
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Uhm.. so what are you saying it is? .NET?

vangrieg said:
No native code equals no alternative browsers.
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It's not that simple. Opera's income from the mobile market segment does not come directly from the end users (it's free, remember?). They deal with manufacturers and network operators to get their browsers integrated with their software. Microsoft have announced that OEM partners will be allowed to run native code so this COULD mean that Opera could be bundled with some phones if Microsoft sees it fitting. I doubt it though.

Nilzor said:
Uhm.. so what are you saying it is? .NET?
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The opera mini I use seems to be a java app.

Nilzor said:
I doubt it though.
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Well that's the point anyway, isn't it?
asadk said:
The opera mini I use seems to be a java app.
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It's latest WM version is native, there's nothing that prevents it from being made in C# or whatever - it's not a browser anyway, as it doesn't include a rendering engine, just a UI client for a cloud service.

vangrieg said:
It's latest WM version is native, there's nothing that prevents it from being made in C# or whatever - it's not a browser anyway, as it doesn't include a rendering engine, just a UI client for a cloud service.
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Opera Mobile is a native app; Opera Mini is Java.

Shasarak said:
Opera Mobile is a native app; Opera Mini is Java.
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Previously, yes. However, there is now is a native Opera Mini for WM. Of course, it's still using pre-rendering on Opera's servers.

Since iphone has such a huge market share, wont the anti-trust laws apply to Apple for not allowing any other browser other than safari??????

There will be Opera for WP7S. Microsoft has already said they will allow 3rd party browsers.
Flash has to be native code, and Microsoft has already siginaled there will be exceptions to allow native code. It is just they prefer you to do it with Silverlight or XNA if you can, and probably won't allow you unless contact them first with a reason.

krjcook said:
Microsoft never said that they wouldn't allow apps that competed with app that come with the platform. They said that It just can't be the default app. If you open a link in a outlook mail or you text message it will automatically go to the IE browser. But your allowed to use alternative browsers.
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By the way, I don't see why this restriction of making alternative default applications is often dismissed as minor. How are you going to use Opera really if it can't be launched from other apps by clicking links, without copy/paste, no access to filesystem and without the ability to access IE bookmarks even? It'll pretty much be limited to entering URLs manually or using whatever built-in bookmarks/cloud storage they ship with. While technically and legally this is indeed "allowing third party browsers", realistically it's very close to "you can't use anything but IE on WP7".

WP7 Issues and reporting to MS?

How would anyone tell MS of an issue with WP7?
I found a issue that would stop me from using WP7:
If your Exchange Active Sync User ID contains a space, you cannot type in the space to complete your login info!!!
I cannot use this platform with my own exchange server or my companies Exchange server.
Currently WM 6.5 and older did not stop the use of a space in the User ID.

Do you have a developer device? In that case I'd get in touch with those who sent it to you.
On a side note, are you running your own exchange server? Do you use SSL on it? If so, are you using a self-signed certificate on it? Does it work? WM was very bad at it - it would just throw an error and you'd have to install the certificate manually. WP7 won't allow users to install certs, so unless they corrected this Exchange would be a no-go in these cases.

vangrieg said:
Do you have a developer device? In that case I'd get in touch with those who sent it to you.
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Even the Emulator has the same problem.
vangrieg said:
On a side note, are you running your own exchange server? Do you use SSL on it? If so, are you using a self-signed certificate on it? Does it work? WM was very bad at it - it would just throw an error and you'd have to install the certificate manually. WP7 won't allow users to install certs, so unless they corrected this Exchange would be a no-go in these cases.
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Running GoDaddy SSL's on both Exchange servers. I can access Exchange(EAS) when the User ID has no space.

Well, the emulator isn't indicative of the real device behavior, it has tons of bugs and I think it doesn't even have mail - you'll need to unlock it for that. MS certainly won't comment on the problems you got this way.
Re GoDaddy - what about the certificate? Is it from Verisign or is it self-signed? When you go to the web interface, does the browser warn you about certificate problems at first?

vangrieg said:
Well, the emulator isn't indicative of the real device behavior, it has tons of bugs and I think it doesn't even have mail - you'll need to unlock it for that. MS certainly won't comment on the problems you got this way.
Re GoDaddy - what about the certificate? Is it from Verisign or is it self-signed? When you go to the web interface, does the browser warn you about certificate problems at first?
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The emulator/dev has email with EAS. It does work with a (no-space) user id. From Verisign. Browser does not warn of problem. GoDaddy SSL works for any device with the EAS feature (Palm devices (WebOS or WM 6.1), iPhone, iPad, Andriod, Any other WM 6.5 or lower device)
Can anyone with a developer device confirm the problem as well?

The emulator has no ability to add accounts, not even the unlocked one??? It sounds like you have access to the updated bits that the rest of us don't. Maybe you could share?
But at any rate, you should be reporting/asking these sorts of things on the connect site at http://connect.microsoft.com/windowsphone
You're the first person I've seen post on here that has a device so consider yourself fortunate

RustyGrom said:
The emulator has no ability to add accounts, not even the unlocked one??? It sounds like you have access to the updated bits that the rest of us don't. Maybe you could share?
But at any rate, you should be reporting/asking these sorts of things on the connect site at http://connect.microsoft.com/windowsphone
You're the first person I've seen post on here that has a device so consider yourself fortunate
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I pulled the unlocked emulator from this site. I think it was sometime in June.

Pdiminico said:
I pulled the unlocked emulator from this site. I think it was sometime in June.
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That one doesn't support syncing to exchange, or any other accounts, at all... at least not that I'm aware of?

Sorry, you are correct. Just tried the emulator version and it never syncs up. The setup does complete but, never reachs EAS.

EAS - WP7 User Name with Space Issue
This is still an issue with RTM devices. Here is a thread on the MS forum:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...f96-3037-4f57-ac6a-83bc030aeec6?prof=required
The 7.0.7355.0 build still has the same issue.

vangrieg said:
Do you have a developer device? In that case I'd get in touch with those who sent it to you.
On a side note, are you running your own exchange server? Do you use SSL on it? If so, are you using a self-signed certificate on it? Does it work? WM was very bad at it - it would just throw an error and you'd have to install the certificate manually. WP7 won't allow users to install certs, so unless they corrected this Exchange would be a no-go in these cases.
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to install self-signed certificates simply email them to yourself and open the attachments on the phone. This is how my school installed self-signed certificates for their mail server so I could get my school emails straight to my phone.

[Q] Only mobile versions of websites?

How do I set my Tilt 2 to only load regular websites and not the mobile versions? I have tried a multiple browsers, set them to not load mobile and they still load mobile. Is it a setting within the phone itself?

Hi there,
It is indeed a settings option
- open opera and type: opera:config
- scroll down to "user prefs"
- scroll all the way down to "UAProf URL Enabled" and uncheck that box
- scroll down a little more and save "user Prefs"
- restart opera
& you are set 2 go!

cam123 said:
How do I set my Tilt 2 to only load regular websites and not the mobile versions? I have tried a multiple browsers, set them to not load mobile and they still load mobile. Is it a setting within the phone itself?
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try iris browser..
also see at the bottom of the page for deskop view.

I had no idea about opera:config. Worked perfectl. Thanks.

NP, glad 2 be off some help

_7_ said:
Hi there,
It is indeed a settings option
- open opera and type: opera:config
- scroll down to "user prefs"
- scroll all the way down to "UAProf URL Enabled" and uncheck that box
- scroll down a little more and save "user Prefs"
- restart opera
& you are set 2 go!
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yup this is the best way

cutecool said:
yup this is the best way
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I wished that had worked for me. I've tried just about every fix listed on these forums, and the only way to get full sites on my tilt2 is to tag ?m=false onto every non mobile page I want to load. Engadget and CNN are the two I am always testing on.

cbeck said:
I wished that had worked for me. I've tried just about every fix listed on these forums, and the only way to get full sites on my tilt2 is to tag ?m=false onto every non mobile page I want to load. Engadget and CNN are the two I am always testing on.
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hard luck bro, try iris browser or skyfire..
btw wat do u mean by ?m=false where to tag this to c complete website

I happen to be on the opposite end. I wish the browser will automatically detect if it has a mobile version but for some reason, my phone always loads just whatever I type on the url. In order for me to load the mobile version, I always have to add m.
Is there anyway that even if I type like engadget.com, it will load m.engadget.com. It's just easier instead of having to add that m.
I think the original rom always tries to load the mobile version because htc probably made change to the preference or code but the energy rom which has the updated stock opera will load the full version by default unless you add the m.

PUTALE said:
I happen to be on the opposite end. I wish the browser will automatically detect if it has a mobile version but for some reason, my phone always loads just whatever I type on the url. In order for me to load the mobile version, I always have to add m.
Is there anyway that even if I type like engadget.com, it will load m.engadget.com. It's just easier instead of having to add that m.
I think the original rom always tries to load the mobile version because htc probably made change to the preference or code but the energy rom which has the updated stock opera will load the full version by default unless you add the m.
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nope then too even after changing from the opera:config the facebook doesnt opens its default website, it automatically redirects to m.facebook.com even i wish i had an alternative for facebook to open as www.facebook.com. even if i change the url to www. it again redirects to m.facebook

cutecool said:
hard luck bro, try iris browser or skyfire..
btw wat do u mean by ?m=false where to tag this to c complete website
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it tags onto the end of the site url after the "/" or after ".html"... but I just checked, it looks like whether or not is works is site specific. Works fine on Engadget (which is what I browse frequently) but not CNN.
I do use skyfire, but it just seems to me that it has been getting consistently slower in page loads/refreshes when scrolling and more prone to timeouts over the last year. I had thought updating from the older version would help, but it seems about the same.

cbeck said:
it tags onto the end of the site url after the "/" or after ".html"... but I just checked, it looks like whether or not is works is site specific. Works fine on Engadget (which is what I browse frequently) but not CNN.
I do use skyfire, but it just seems to me that it has been getting consistently slower in page loads/refreshes when scrolling and more prone to timeouts over the last year. I had thought updating from the older version would help, but it seems about the same.
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skyfire is blocked for my country due to security reasons...
i just wanted full version on Facebook on my TP2

mobile website loading not desktop version

Can anyone else confirm that going to www.crutchfield.com loads a mobile version instead of the regular desktop version? Any idea how I might see the regular version?

I dont have an RT device so cant duplicate and it appears that internet explorer on windows phone 7 loads the desktop version of the site.
Usually the URL for mobile sites has the http://m. or http://mobile. prefix instead of http://www. manually removing m or mobile usually forces sites into desktop mode. Most mobile sites also have a button near the very bottom (alongside where you expect to see copyright info) to reload the desktop site. Hopefully 1 of these 2 will be the case.

On my windows phone (samsung focus, original), it loads the same mobile version as on my surface.
You cant change the url because it will just continue to auto detect you.

RobbieRobski said:
You cant change the url because it will just continue to auto detect you.
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My little test with both facebook and gmail.com worked fine. facebook.com on its own directed to the mobile site. http://facebook.com over-rode the mobile site and loaded the full version. You just have to be incredibly specific.

Regardless, you can use the IE developer tools (Tools menu, or press F12, which on Surface is Fn+PgDn). Use Tools->Change user agent string, and select another browser. Then refresh the page, and it should show correctly. (Idiotic web developers trying to be overly "clever" about detecting mobile browsers...)