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Desire HD owner desiring a tablet

I know there are a lot of ppl out there like me who are thinking of getting a tablet especially now that we are gonna be bombarded with all sorts of tabs in different sizes, OS' and brands.
personally I wanted to get a Galaxy tab but it just seemed to give me nothing more than a bigger screen than my DHD. now I'm happy that I waited as there seems to be interesting tablets coming out such as HTC Flyer, Galaxy tab 10.1, Motorola xoom, Blackberry playbook, LG optimus pad, iPad 2 ....
I for one wanna know what other DHD owners think about tablets; their arguments in buying or not buying a tablet, price ranges, capabilities and so on.
so please share your ideas.

I will buy a tablet this year. I just dont know which.
I would love to get the HTC Flyer, I think Sense for Tablet looks spiffy, but I'm a bit dissapointed they are not using Honeycomb. Samsung seems to have a nice one... Lets see how much they go for before I decide on anything.

I would buy one if i could afford it but sadly i am a poor student so it won't be anytime soon.
But if i should buy one right now it would probably be the Xoom even though it should be madly expensive well that is if least if the rumors are true ($800!!)
The Flyer also looks nice but that's all i think would very much have liked it with Honeycomb and a dual core CPU, simply because if i have to pick up my tablet instead of my laptop, i at least want it to have a lot of tabs open in the browser + maybe a game or something else and i think a dual core would be better for that.
But buy the time i am buying a tablet the iPad 2 and Galaxy Tab 2 are probaly out so i think i would go for the Tab sin i have bought far to many apps to go on a new platform.

junta_mpb said:
I will buy a tablet this year. I just dont know which.
I would love to get the HTC Flyer, I think Sense for Tablet looks spiffy, but I'm a bit dissapointed they are not using Honeycomb. Samsung seems to have a nice one... Lets see how much they go for before I decide on anything.
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FYI
HTC confirmed that the flyer will be updated to Honeycomb.

A while back I bought a netbook, as it was easier than going upstairs into the spare bedroom to use the desktop - especially if I just wanted to browse a page or two or check my email. I then got a smartphone, as I could check email, and browse the odd page a lot easier. The next step does seem to be to get a tablet. However I dont think I need one. Then my nephew came to stay for the weekend, he brought his ipad with him (hes only 5 years old!!). He spent his time on my phone, and I spent some time on his ipad. I got to admit, being able to pick up a tablet and start surfing within a few seconds is really convenient. Also with the bigger screen it was easier, and more readable.
I dont need one, but will probably get one - it wont be an ipad/ipad2 - but probably an android tablet. The motorolla xoom, if it was cheaper. I am willing to spend £300, no more than that on a tablet. The htc flyer also looks good, if it could be linked tightly to a phone, i.e. sync apps, app data between tablet and phone...then that may sway me to go with a htc tablet.

iSkull said:
But buy the time i am buying a tablet the iPad 2 and Galaxy Tab 2 are probaly out so i think i would go for the Tab sin i have bought far to many apps to go on a new platform.
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thats an interesting point, to go with the same platform or not. it is nice to have the same platform as your phone which would give you some advantages such as using your apps and the fact that you are comfortable with it. but I for one wanna have something a bit different so it would just be bigger screen. maybe Honeycomb can serve the purpose since its not gonna be a smartphone OS.

junta_mpb said:
I will buy a tablet this year. I just dont know which.
I would love to get the HTC Flyer, I think Sense for Tablet looks spiffy, but I'm a bit dissapointed they are not using Honeycomb. Samsung seems to have a nice one... Lets see how much they go for before I decide on anything.
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It does look very nice. The addition of a stylus sounds good. The only down-side is that its "only" 7" screen.

xpuser said:
I dont need one, but will probably get one - it wont be an ipad/ipad2 - but probably an android tablet. The motorolla xoom, if it was cheaper. I am willing to spend £300, no more than that on a tablet. The htc flyer also looks good, if it could be linked tightly to a phone, i.e. sync apps, app data between tablet and phone...then that may sway me to go with a htc tablet.
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yes, having your phone linked with your (future) tablet seems to be an essential point. I liked how this was implemented in Blackberry's Playbook where you can sync (almost instantly) with your blackberry through bluetooth. so yeah I hope for android and HTC it goes beyond syncing contacts and calendar.

Iachimo said:
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HTC confirmed that the flyer will be updated to Honeycomb.
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In that case, Im getting it.

I use tomtom for navigation, a pda for personal stuff, a netbook for quickly surfing the web at night, and used to have a nokia x6 abviously for phone calls, games and navigation. When I bought my DHD, I dont use those mentioned gadgets anymore as the DHD does it all. What will a tablet do that my DHD cannot do? A bigger screen I suppose, I'll just use my netbook. So I dont think I need a tablet. My DHD is plenty enough.

Iachimo said:
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HTC confirmed that the flyer will be updated to Honeycomb.
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Can there be Sense for Honeycomb? I've heard rummors that Google had gone the Apple and WP7 way in terms of third party UIs. Or am I mistaken?
I personaly think 7" are a little too small - worse than 4.3" in terms of mobility (for me even the 5" Dell is too much) and worse than 10" in terms of the big screen experience the tablets are supposed to provide (something like comparing the tiny iPhone's screen to the DHD). On the other hand Sense and alluminum body... sounds like a DHD on steroids .

tkolev said:
Can there be Sense for Honeycomb? I've heard rummors that Google had gone the Apple and WP7 way in terms of third party UIs. Or am I mistaken?.
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Seems im the bringer of good news in this thread.
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The flyer will have a new sense based HTC skin. Ill get the pictures today and post a link here.
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I want the Adam Ink... if they get them in stock.

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If the HTC Flyer gets upgraded to a quad core or decent tegra chip, or something future friendly, then I'll probably go for it.
Edit: Ah, I didn't see your post Iachimo - we posted at a similar time - nice pic.

But i agree the specs are a tad weak when u compare it with the current competition. Allthough im pretty sure its a "feeler" product just so see how the market responds and what user difficulties the owners run into. Six months later they will try to launch the 10'' version (probably with dualcore and integrated gpu (wouldnt count on tegra))

Iachimo said:
Seems im the bringer of good news in this thread.
FYI:
The flyer will have a new sense based HTC skin. Ill get the pictures today and post a link here.
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Yes, but it's shipped with 2.4 (the new Gingerbread) not 3.0 (Honeycomb)
... Or not?

shipped with 2.4 and getting 3.0 in the future.

Iachimo said:
shipped with 2.4 and getting 3.0 in the future.
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My point was that it might have to loose Sense if you go for a 3.0 update (if it's true that there will be no custom UIs for HC).

Iachimo said:
But i agree the specs are a tad weak when u compare it with the current competition. Allthough im pretty sure its a "feeler" product just so see how the market responds and what user difficulties the owners run into. Six months later they will try to launch the 10'' version (probably with dualcore and integrated gpu (wouldnt count on tegra))
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True true, that seems to be what HTC has been doing, and I must admit its pretty annoying when they announce something and then 3 month later they release 10 better devices. I was looking at videos from the Barcelona congress and HTC has at least 4-5 more devices than all other manufacturers! I'm not sure I wanna go down the same road with tablet that I did with the phone (btw I had the desire befire DHD)

Laptop Dock

Sorry if this has been discussed before! I searched and didn't come across a similar thread.
Just curious to see what people think and know about Samsung releasing a laptop dock akin to that which was released for the Motorola Atrix as well as the Asus Transformer attachment. I always thought it was a neat idea and with the horsepower commonly found in today's smart/super phones, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
I'm sure most of you are familiar with the concept. If not, this is what it basically looks like:
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Anyways, I'm asking because I see a lot of people on here that like to use their Notes as more than a phone; whether it's by connecting it to a TV/monitor via an MHL connector or plugging in extra USB accessories (mice, storage, etc).
What do you guys think? Will Samsung do something like this? Would you guys use it if it were available?

No and No. Phones still don't have enough processing power to rpelace a laptop (trust me, i owned an Atrix and a lapdock for 6 months, using it daily), and very few people would buy an accessory to a phone that is already made to faciliate the use as "more than just a phone" in it's natural form factor.

RamenBooko said:
What do you guys think?
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OMG that is amazing. RedFly done properly. The Note already has both the power and resolution to run as a laptop. I for one would love it. I just bought a collapsable bluetooth keyboard to type better when I'm in a cafe
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I'll just leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NcHgSY3xYLo#!
BTW, we don't have enough processing power for phones to replace your laptop.
Nor do we have the battery technology to provide an acceptable use.
Nor do we have the software in place to handle these properly.
...in short this is possible with today's technology but VERY VERY quirky, and definitely not worth having.
2 years ago I drafted a proposal for accomplishing this task: To manufacture an Omnia (one do it all device) and my conclusion was for 2 modular devices.
1) Superphone/Smartphone which does most tasks:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=951027#post951027
2) A tablet which converts into an Ultrabook:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921388post&p=921372
P.S. You can some of my ideas have made their way into actual devices today, such as the Dell Streak, XPlay, Lenovo Yoga, and ASUS Transformer.
(P.S. Those are the latest ones I've posted, they evolved from a long line of mock ups that dates back ~2years. I did update both a while ago but haven't posted up, if there is demand I'll post those up too)

Viamonte said:
No and No. Phones still don't have enough processing power to rpelace a laptop
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Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
Regards,
Dave
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Windows is a big pile of poo that eats resources as its primary mission. Back when I was a student the uni had a 266MHz DEC Alpha that had 400 users on it at any time. It had a monster 4GB of hard drive space and 512MB RAM running DEC UNIX.
My Galaxy Note has similar power! My Commodore 64 had a lot less power and it was great for word processing. But unlike the Note, there was no way it could play 1080p video (with MHL adapter) to a monitor or play 3d games. We hold awesome computing power in our hands. Efficient code (c++ from NDK not Java from SDK) on this phone will kill the need for a laptop.
Android is Linux. And that means it's 5 times as fast as if it ran Windows. Five times is not an exageration. It really is slower than that.

foxmeister said:
Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
Regards,
Dave
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In case you haven't noticed we are in 2012.
Times change and so does the needs of society.
Personal Computing has come a long way from 7 years ago, hell from 3 years ago if you know the industry.
Obviously you were nitpicking one comment of mine.
Yes, it can *be* a laptop and do tasks, but it would much less efficient than using an actual laptop, therefore (by definition) not upto the task!

My Asus Transformer runs like a laptop just fine. I doubt the note would be worse .

PurpleMelbourne said:
Windows is a big pile of poo that eats resources as its primary mission.
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PurpleMelbourne said:
Android is Linux. And that means it's 5 times as fast as if it ran Windows. Five times is not an exageration. It really is slower than that.
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/smh
/reads again
/smh

E_man5112 said:
My Asus Transformer runs like a laptop just fine. I doubt the note would be worse .
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Exactly! Bigger screen attachment, then it could run the tab version of ics. Then, apps for tab mode that are better like quickoffice could be used. The tab version of ics (also sorta honeycomb) is a step closer to a full blown laptop, as they are starting to do toned down processes like "hardcore" word processing (that you can actually save in spots and move it ha apple). I know the note has no ics yet, but im talking for the future.

You can run Ubuntu Linux with MHL video adaptor for 1920 x 1080 video and bluetooth keyboard and mouse. You then have a windowing computer with Firefox, Open Office, VLC video and a few other things on screen at the same time.
I'm looking forward to trying it out when I can afford a 64GB SDHC card.

ekin said:
Obviously you were nitpicking one comment of mine.
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I think you will find I directly quoted an earlier poster, but either way adding to a discussion isn't nitpicking! So, obviously not!
Yes, it can *be* a laptop and do tasks, but it would much less efficient than using an actual laptop, therefore (by definition) not upto the task!
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Rather missed the point here didn't get you?
Yes, using a phone as a laptop would be less efficient, but take the Note and stick it in an Atrix style dock, and run a lightweight flavour of Linux, and it becomes much more efficient in that role. I wouldn't want to compile applications on it, but given most business users only tend to use laptops for document creation, email, and web browsing, what you would have is certainly up to that task.
The point is that the hardware is more than capable.
Regards,
Dave
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Yea, I think you're spot on about the device being more than capable of running a lightweight Linux distro.
For me personally, I carry around my laptop right now for school purposes. Making diagrams, light photo editing, productivity suite (Office), etc. If I could just carry around something similar to the lapdock, that would be awesome.
I think there is a market for this since, as someone mentioned above, a lot of users need a laptop for very basic use (web, email, productivity). I'm surprised that Samsung hasn't attempted this yet for their awesome phone lineup.

foxmeister said:
Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
Regards,
Dave
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Then why don't you try using a computer with 7 year old software and tell me how your experience went?

I am actually developing this exact thing right now. Stay tuned!
Sincerely,
John Andrus
livi design

Oh ya, and it'll be MHL compatible with 40 phones right from the get go.
Well, I was wondering when someone would force my hand lol. I look forward to sharing my device with you all. I'll have a contest to beta test it and give out several of em.
So I'm not really ready to announce anything, so can you guys keep it to xda?
John Andrus
livi design

andjohn said:
Oh ya, and it'll be MHL compatible with 40 phones right from the get go.
Well, I was wondering when someone would force my hand lol. I look forward to sharing my device with you all. I'll have a contest to beta test it and give out several of em.
So I'm not really ready to announce anything, so can you guys keep it to xda?
John Andrus
livi design
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Something like that would be pretty neat.
openSUSE is my fav distro, rpm > deb. Which is why the delay, restraint and murder of MeeGo was one of the worst things of 2011.
I might be able to help once things get to beta (i really cant afford to brick the NOTE).

Viamonte said:
Then why don't you try using a computer with 7 year old software and tell me how your experience went?
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So.... how many people here are still running Windows XP? How many enterprises still use Windows XP as their primary client OS? (Hint - look here)
Virtually all enterprises still use XP and Office 2007, and I've seen a few that are still using Office 2003.
Now ask yourself - how old is Windows XP?
Whilst it has obviously been updated over the years, for the most part a PC that ran XP 7 years ago, could still run XP equally well today, even with the latest service packs applied and the user experience is practically unchanged.
In the server space, I'd be willing to bet that Windows Server 2003 installations outnumber later versions, and ditto SQL Server 2005.
In terms of hardware, my late 2010 model Macbook Air, which I use on almost a daily basis for real work has a Core 2 Duo CPU inside, which is an architecture that dates from 2006.
Software hasn't moved on as far as most people would like to think - Wirth's law still very much applies!
Regards,
Dave

Not just windows, the version of office is usually 2003 or even older. The problem aren't those. Using a 7 yo SAP must be a nightmare with krueger, or internet explorer 6 (i can vouch for this one, it was the version i my office). But the hole goes deeper. The fact your Core 2 duo is from 2006 only serves to demonstrate old pcs were stll light years ahead of our Note. Try 2002 and then maybe we're equaling things.
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My Pentium 4c 2.4GHZ with Hyper threading runs XP SP3 perfectly well and is MORE than capable of doing everything I would be doing on the go. Asking why someone would want this kind of accessory for there Note is like asking why people by Netbooks or Tablets..... Jeeze. People sure seem to get a lot done with those on the go. My ancient computer described before easily outperforms any experience with a netbook i have had and id rather use a tablet than either... So this device makes sense... although I personally would rather just go get an Asus Transformer Prime myself....
But there is a reason Asus is developing the Padphone thing.... some people arnt savy enough or want to deal with the added time of a file transfering process that is neccesary with two devices.
P.S. Pardon the spelling mistakes. Had to type this up quick

Galaxy nexus beat windows phone

World demands justice for Galaxy Nexus owner who 'beat' Windows Phone
I knew we had a fast phone and this proves it.
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Huh?
Sent from the future.

Thread of the decade.

http://www.talkandroid.com/102027-galaxy-nexus-owner-beats-windows-phone-in-windows-phone-challenge/

I use both and eash OS has it's strengths and weaknesses. I actually prefer WP to Android except for my dirty little shame: Every Nexus I get turns into a portable torrent box. And since I don't have a computer this is my all in one. And they did a fantastic job with Android Chrome, I must admit.
But this pissing contest **** has got to stop.
Why can't people except that in some areas on different OS's will always be better. Some hardware specs will always be better. That's life. Personally? I root for a three horse race. Each OS, Android, iOS, and WP all pushing and pulling to stay ahead.
The end result? The consumer wins.

Bravo sir.. bravo
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I am a Windows developer and I don't like metro stuff at all. Guess we are going to get stuck with it but I absolutely hat eto be forced into any UI...

I LOVE MY GNEX!

Does anyone actually by Windows Phones?
I think Microsoft really dropped the ball. They were one of the few in the mobile smartphone game with their windows mobile platform. It was a true multitasking device that was capable of doing almost anything.
Then the iPhone came out and basically did less then WM phones just made things prettier. Know instead of Microsoft stepping up their game with their age looking UI they just hung back for a while.
Then came Android, which almost feels like it would have been the natural succession for Microsoft except they just waited. So all of us WM phone users started to jump over to Android. Now we are so happy there, why would we want to even try a Windows phone.

Q.Entity said:
but I absolutely hat eto be forced into any UI...
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So, how many Windows Shell replacements have you done? Because you're basically forced into the current Windows look.
I agree, I hate metro, too, but you've been 'forced into a UI' for a long time.

im going to try this, any tips to which rom to use?

"no the gsII is faster"

bmstrong said:
I use both and eash OS has it's strengths and weaknesses. I actually prefer WP to Android except for my dirty little shame: Every Nexus I get turns into a portable torrent box. And since I don't have a computer this is my all in one. And they did a fantastic job with Android Chrome, I must admit.
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you don't have a computer but multiple $500 cell phones?

neotekz said:
you don't have a computer but multiple $500 cell phones?
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Yep. At any given time I tend to have three or so and swap back and forth. Right now? Main EDC is a stock GN with a back up 4s. The 900 is my next and I'm considering a SGS3. If the SGS3 has TW puked onto it, that's out. I sell the 4s and move into the 5. If I find a Titan 2 cheap I may grab one to play with it. (Forgot to mention I'm still looking for a Finny.)
I love Mobiles.

I had an interesting 'battle' with a windows rep today. I beat her hands down loading a webpage. She wasn't very happy.
But she did beat me updating a Facebook status.
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How do you show it off?

Most of us have had that encounter, usually with someone holding an iPhone. They say their phone is better but of course we know it's not.
So how do you show off your phone? What is it that you do to wow people and make the hipsters cry?
My wife owned an iPhone at one point. It pretty much did the work for me by pissing her off and losing her music from her CD's she put on it after syncing with iTunes. I showed her Google Music, the cloud, the ways I could customize it, and how my maps and navigation worked flawlessly as a native app - unlike her iPhone.

I just use the iphone launcher whenever i see them using their iphone and say hey look i have an iphone too. Then i go to the yahoo and play a flash video. Then i tell them that my iphone is better then their.
After that i get their iphone and smash it on the ground
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I press the back button the home button the menu button and search button (i hate the one button on iphone)
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Majin: So true the 1 button sucks

You can do face unlock, Google Music, show them a sexy theme, video chat on mobile data, and with phones like the galaxy nexus use nfc and google wallet at the check out. James Bond bad assness with Google wallet.
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There's no impressing the iPhone hipsters.

I show them how rich my screen is compared to theirs, and then I start tethering to a wifi device.
I left android to get a 4S and then I saw the light last week and came back to android with one of the best phones made.

dnalevelc said:
I show them how rich my screen is compared to theirs, and then I start tethering to a wifi device.
I left android to get a 4S and then I saw the light last week and came back to android with one of the best phones made.
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You better change your avatar.

Nothing. I just give them my device and tell them to have a look. Most people just like to look at the widgets.

I just pull it out my pocket, unlock the screen and let the live wallpapers + customizations do the talking. Once they all into my phone saying I wish my phone could do live wallpapers I start doing other things they can't with their iPhone. I used the dlna feature on a family members tv and she was showing it off to her man (both have iPhones) and then hooked it up by mhl to mirror the whole phone to really impress. Few days later her man came home with my phone the att variant n gave her his 4s. She really wanted this phone and went as far as saying I should've never showed him lol
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D1rk said:
...get their iphone and smash it on the ground
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Damn, you beat me to it.
Also, if I want to impress someone, I don't mention Google Music; I haven't had good results with it.

KCRic said:
Most of us have had that encounter, usually with someone holding an iPhone. They say their phone is better but of course we know it's not.
So how do you show off your phone? What is it that you do to wow people and make the hipsters cry?
My wife owned an iPhone at one point. It pretty much did the work for me by pissing her off and losing her music from her CD's she put on it after syncing with iTunes. I showed her Google Music, the cloud, the ways I could customize it, and how my maps and navigation worked flawlessly as a native app - unlike her iPhone.
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If your on a custom rom that's is able to use theme Chooser like paranoid android then just switch themes endlessly with out a reboot and stuff. Use screencast to record your screen. If they smoke weed like me use roll a joint, that's an app iPhone will never see lol. Adjust your dpi using rom toolbox. All that iPhone users have that I want and continue to hate on is their library of games they got almost all the good ones, rage, CALL OF DUTY ZOMBIES! Need I say more I hate them for the games! If we get those games also android will be the shiit lol
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Normally just the size, brightness and texture to the screen, a simple unlock to a live wallpaper and a text with swype does it.. Not to mention the arrangeable homescreen.
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I just converted 1 this weekend,she is with garbage AT&T but she still got there version of our phone.(side note she actually cried after realizing how bad her iphone 4s is,she felt stupid)

habitformer said:
I just converted 1 this weekend,she is with garbage AT&T but she still got there version of our phone.(side note she actually cried after realizing how bad her iphone 4s is,she felt stupid)
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1 down more stupid ppl to convert! Slowly but we are making progress lol
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yeah it was obvious to me,after i showed her nova launcher and the paranoid android video she slammed her crown and ginger ale,then we went to the store to grab it.rooted rommed and slammed in 25 minutes,she wants me to show her how to theme now,also she is now on xda...i feel my job is done.

It's just a phone, who cares. I didn't buy this phone to upstage iPhone fans, and I didn't buy it because I have a dislike of Apple products. I bought it because it is the best device for me. If someone asks me about it, I'll tell them what they want to know and why I like it better. 99% of my friends have some variation of the iPhone, and they are very happy with it. In fact, 2 of them still bought the iPhone after playing with my phone. And no amount of widgets or live wallpapers, or face unlock, or whatever else Android has that iOS doesn't will change their outlook. If you want to know why, the answer is simple: not a single android device manufacturer puts out a product that is as polished as the iPhone, and even android 4.0 is not as polished as iOS. That's why my phone is not winning any converts, despite the fact that's it can do much more. I'm no iPhone fan, but that's the truth.

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It's just a phone, who cares. I didn't buy this phone to upstage iPhone fans, and I didn't buy it because I have a dislike of Apple products. I bought it because it is the best device for me. If someone asks me about it, I'll tell them what they want to know and why I like it better. 99% of my friends have some variation of the iPhone, and they are very happy with it. In fact, 2 of them still bought the iPhone after playing with my phone. And no amount of widgets or live wallpapers, or face unlock, or whatever else Android has that iOS doesn't will change their outlook. If you want to know why, the answer is simple: not a single android device manufacturer puts out a product that is as polished as the iPhone, and even android 4.0 is not as polished as iOS. That's why my phone is not winning any converts, despite the fact that's it can do much more. I'm no iPhone fan, but that's the truth.
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Polished I think not!!! You got one because "99% of my friend has some variations of the iphone" ??? Wtf and you have been the 1% that has a better phone just drop the same amount of cash as you would for an iPhone and get a High-end android phone and get the real android experience when root that High-end Android phone! They are late to everything dual core, 4g(some) and real multitasking features not to mention a home button, menu, and ITS OWN BACK BUTTON!!! Need I say more lol:beer:
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Polished I think not!!! You got one because "99% of my friend has some variations of the iphone" ??? Wtf and you have been the 1% that has a better phone just drop the same amount of cash as you would for an iPhone and get a High-end android phone and get the real android experience when root that High-end Android phone! They are late to everything dual core, 4g(some) and real multitasking features not to mention a home button, menu, and ITS OWN BACK BUTTON!!! Need I say more lol:beer:
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Perhaps you should lay off the weed, because it is clearly clouding your judgement and reading comprehension skills. I have the E4GT and had the Evo 4G before that. Nowhere in my post did I state or imply that I have an iphone. I never had an iPhone and don't want an iPhone. Why do you think I'm in this forum? My post was making the point that the vast majority of people with iphones love their device, and 2 of my friends who played with my E4GT still went with the iphone. And my phone is rooted with a custom kernel, so it actually performs better than the E4GT out of the box. As to my belief regarding why, you can re-read my post. And yes, every time I use an iPhone or iPad, I am always impressed by the smoothness of the UI and the speed of the device, so it is in fact more polished. I also have the quad-core Asus Transformer Prime, which I wish I never bought as it is an underperforming, buggy piece of crap, and you can read all about it in it's section on this board. Want to know why people dump Android for iOS, go out and buy the Prime, try to use it, and you'll have your answer in 5 mins. And I don't blame Android, I blame lazy manufacturers who slap an unoptimized kernel and OS onto cutting edge hardware, fill it with bloat, and then release the product without apparently doing something as simple as trying to access the internet with it, just to do a basic quality control. If I sound angry, it's because I am. With Android, it always seems to be a crap shoot. You can get lucky and stumble on a good device such as the E4GT, or you can spend money on the most bleeding-edge device, and be left with a device that has trouble displaying a powerpoint presentation. Now put yourself in my position; do you really think that I would be more unhappy with the iPad than I am with the Prime? If the iPad at the very least works without the browser crashing randomly and often, then the iPad is already better. Yes, IMO the E4GT is better than an iPhone, but the iPad is much better than the Prime, and it has half the hardware. Don't be a fanboy.

Agreed. Brand loyalty only hinders progress. User experience is a subjective thing, there is no definitely better answer. I know plenty of people who've "converted" to and from both "sides".

Do not buy Nokia Lumia 900! No update to WP8

Wait for couple of months to get may be Nokia Lumia 1000 which works with WP8. There is no upgrade to WP8 from WP7.5. We will get upgrade to WP7.8 but not WP8.
Make a choice.. if you need a phone that will be obsolete this year.. go for it.. else wait for new one which will be released soon.

Still gonna get one. Like the design. Has everything I want in a phone. Not b
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Think about it.
Even 2 years from now 85% of the wp devices will still be 7.8. Im fine with it. There will still be apps.

I got my luma 900 just a month ago .. and I kinda knew they probably won't upgrade it due to hardware limitations of current devices.
NFC
Pureview 808 Camera
Dual core support
Front facing camera excluding the lumia 900 for kinet features
as to name a few........
But there are rumours that Nokia might support its phone to further extent than microsoft, specially the lumia 900 as it does have a front facing camera, so we might get the kinet like experience.
7.8 may be like What Vista did for XP.. cosmetic change. All we are getting is the New screen with resizeable Tiles with 3 different sizes
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"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
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I suppose this growing pain could be averted if they offered a trade up program. I rather not pay full off contract price + sell on lumia900 on ebay.
I'm also concerned that I'll be left out of new apps

Its a nice phone but...
Is it worth buying one just for the sake of having one, when you can get a better one in just couple of months? Moreover if you want to unlock it, you might have to wait till October and by then a new Lumia with WP8 will be there?
Anyway you will be paying $99 or $499 for this now or same later for a new one!

I say exercise your choice and get one if you want one.

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Not going to happen in the next 12 months. The first wave of WP8 nokias are going to use MSM8960, which supports camera modules up to 20Mpix, not 40Mpix, which is required for PureView PRO .. 3x zooming, oversampling, and all that good stuff.
So.. unless Windows NT can do what the Symbian core can, and they can put that same set up GPU+Companion DSP chip inside the camera module.. I don't see how they will have one ready before 2013.
The only way the 808 is able to do all that on a old ARM11 CPU, is because Symbian is very modular and they are able to control 2 graphic processors. That is what you get with "in house" software platform.. real innovation. Now we have to wait for "off the shelf" components to get things moving forward.

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Is it worth buying one just for the sake of having one, when you can get a better one in just couple of months? Moreover if you want to unlock it, you might have to wait till October and by then a new Lumia with WP8 will be there?
Anyway you will be paying $99 or $499 for this now or same later for a new one!
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I just got my lumia 900 and to be honest, if you want to have the latest stuff you dont ever buy anything!!! You'll be just waiting for the next 'better' device to come out.
Phones are like pc's, when you walk out of the store it's old and there's "much better" hardware available.
I do like to have the latest stuff but i allso want to be able to make a call. So i have my new Lumia 900 as my main phone and a HTC HD2 to flash whatever i want on it.
And to be honest i do have doubts about WP8 coming out that soon.

Just said my piece on why you SHOULD get a Lumia 900:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27703336&postcount=23

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I just got my lumia 900 and to be honest, if you want to have the latest stuff you dont ever buy anything!!! You'll be just waiting for the next 'better' device to come out.
Phones are like pc's, when you walk out of the store it's old and there's "much better" hardware available.
I do like to have the latest stuff but i allso want to be able to make a call. So i have my new Lumia 900 as my main phone and a HTC HD2 to flash whatever i want on it.
And to be honest i do have doubts about WP8 coming out that soon.
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EXCEPT... I have a 9 year old computer running win7 and some brand new ones running XP for customers. So please, enlighten me, in what way exactly are the two scenarios alike?
I'm adding that I also used to run Windows on an ALPHA processor but yeah, blame the architecture.

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Is it worth buying one just for the sake of having one, when you can get a better one in just couple of months?
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Where are you getting "couple of months" from?

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Is it worth buying one just for the sake of having one, when you can get a better one in just couple of months?
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Windows Phone devices will not be available "a couple of months" from now.
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Do not buy Nokia Lumia 900! No update to WP8
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Mods any chance you can consolidate threads and just make one I hate MSFT because of lack of WP8 upgrade megathread? The forum is getting unreadable.

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EXCEPT... I have a 9 year old computer running win7 and some brand new ones running XP for customers. So please, enlighten me, in what way exactly are the two scenarios alike?
I'm adding that I also used to run Windows on an ALPHA processor but yeah, blame the architecture.
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I actually posted the same comment to another forum as I don't understand why people feel that we should have no reason to be upset over this news. I agree that I don't want a crappy OS and I believe that obviously I can't get OS functionality for a phone that doesn't have the NFC or other hardware to make it work. That being said if you just bought a pc 2 months ago and Microsoft came out saying you couldn't upgrade it to Windows 8 many people would legitimately be very upset.
The best part about it is to make Windows 8 compatible with previous PCs (many many hardware combination) requires quite a bit more code/drivers then making a Windows Phone OS compatible with Gen 2 devices that have very similar hardware. We are not talking about Android where there are hundreds of hardware combinations.
The other thing that bothers me is that everyone is talking about how they don't want a crappy user experience. Well I don't buy into that argument as Microsoft is allowing and encouraging low end devices for future Windows Phone devices. For example they are allowing less memory (256MB) then first asked for. The even allowed this pointing out that it would not allow certain apps to run. Now less then 6 months later every one is saying the upgrade is linked to performance concerns. If this will not be possible to run Apollo then why did they just start this trend?
I have seen companies say that upgrades are not possible and then due to pressure turn around and deliver perfectly working upgrades. I think this is a matter of don't want to versus can't be done.
I think that if Microsoft can deliver a new properly performing Kernal then the Gen 2 devices should receive it with the functionality that works with the hardware in those devices. If someone says it can't be done well they do it for Windows so it is possible.

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I actually posted the same comment to another forum as I don't understand why people feel that we should have no reason to be upset over this news. I agree that I don't want a crappy OS and I believe that obviously I can't get OS functionality for a phone that doesn't have the NFC or other hardware to make it work. That being said if you just bought a pc 2 months ago and Microsoft came out saying you couldn't upgrade it to Windows 8 many people would legitimately be very upset.
The best part about it is to make Windows 8 compatible with previous PCs (many many hardware combination) requires quite a bit more code/drivers then making a Windows Phone OS compatible with Gen 2 devices that have very similar hardware. We are not talking about Android where there are hundreds of hardware combinations.
The other thing that bothers me is that everyone is talking about how they don't want a crappy user experience. Well I don't buy into that argument as Microsoft is allowing and encouraging low end devices for future Windows Phone devices. For example they are allowing less memory (256MB) then first asked for. The even allowed this pointing out that it would not allow certain apps to run. Now less then 6 months later every one is saying the upgrade is linked to performance concerns. If this will not be possible to run Apollo then why did they just start this trend?
I have seen companies say that upgrades are not possible and then due to pressure turn around and deliver perfectly working upgrades. I think this is a matter of don't want to versus can't be done.
I think that if Microsoft can deliver a new properly performing Kernal then the Gen 2 devices should receive it with the functionality that works with the hardware in those devices. If someone says it can't be done well they do it for Windows so it is possible.
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Agreed. I get that the OS may be missing functionality because I lack certain hardware, im not asking for new hardware. Im just asking that I get ALL the functions possible so I am not out in the cold when apps come out that are compiled specifically for WP8 but don't need the new hardware to run them because the developer chose not to make 2 different versions.

So you want people to wait six months for a new phone, because the L900 won't get some features that won't work on the device anyway.
Hey, you know what. Get an Android. They all have at least a two year upgrade path, right?
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So you want people to wait six months for a new phone, because the L900 won't get some features that won't work on the device anyway.
Hey, you know what. Get an Android. They all have at least a two year upgrade path, right?
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Sorry, not exactly sure what you are saying about 6 months... Who is saying wait six months for a new phone? I am saying build an update for the Lumia, not hold off on Windows Phone 8.
The funniest part is everyone's response is "get another phone".... We are talking about a Microsoft product. The life cycle of the Xbox has been from 2005 until now with all updates going to all versions of the console.
Windows 7 operates on computers with only a 1 Ghz single core processor and 1 GB of RAM and Windows 8 preview requirements are the same.
The Lumia has a 1400 MHz (1.4Ghz) processor and 512 MB of ram ( and remember one set of hardware is easy to optimize versus the combinations on a pc) and yet they say the Kernal/ OS cannot be ported.
A follow up to the argument about missing hardware would once again be you don't see Microsoft not allowing computers to update to Windows 8 with a single core or restricting updates because they don't have an SSD or a certain video card or even a camera.
So far I don't see one legitimate reason why the OS can't be ported and there is no denying that it hurts Nokia and it hurts the sales of all the Windows Phone 7 in the mean time.
Finally, to address the comments about how the phone does everything it did before well once again how would you feel if your Blu-ray player couldn't get the latest update to play a new Blu-ray. I mean it will still turn on, play the movies you already bought so what is the difference... What about a GPS? Why offer upgrades? It still turns on, does navigation, why not buy a new GPS to get updates? I am sorry to put it to this level but once again I don't think anyone has the right to criticize that people are upset about this decision.

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Sorry, not exactly sure what you are saying about 6 months... Who is saying wait six months for a new phone? I am saying build an update for the Lumia, not hold off on Windows Phone 8.
The funniest part is everyone's response is "get another phone".... We are talking about a Microsoft product. The life cycle of the Xbox has been from 2005 until now with all updates going to all versions of the console.
Windows 7 operates on computers with only a 1 Ghz single core processor and 1 GB of RAM and Windows 8 preview requirements are the same.
The Lumia has a 1400 MHz (1.4Ghz) processor and 512 MB of ram ( and remember one set of hardware is easy to optimize versus the combinations on a pc) and yet they say the Kernal/ OS cannot be ported.
A follow up to the argument about missing hardware would once again be you don't see Microsoft not allowing computers to update to Windows 8 with a single core or restricting updates because they don't have an SSD or a certain video card or even a camera.
So far I don't see one legitimate reason why the OS can't be ported and there is no denying that it hurts Nokia and it hurts the sales of all the Windows Phone 7 in the mean time.
Finally, to address the comments about how the phone does everything it did before well once again how would you feel if your Blu-ray player couldn't get the latest update to play a new Blu-ray. I mean it will still turn on, play the movies you already bought so what is the difference... What about a GPS? Why offer upgrades? It still turns on, does navigation, why not buy a new GPS to get updates? I am sorry to put it to this level but once again I don't think anyone has the right to criticize that people are upset about this decision.
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Well said! People buying Windows 7 PCs now will be able to upgrade to Windows 8 when it comes out for $14.99.
I got my Lumia 900 for free as a replacement for a faulty X7, but for those in the market for a phone, someone give me a reason why they should buy now instead of waiting until WP8 is out?
MS pretty much brought a "sales pause" upon itself. Hopefully this doesn't turn to become Nokia's final knockout blow!

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EXCEPT... I have a 9 year old computer running win7 and some brand new ones running XP for customers. So please, enlighten me, in what way exactly are the two scenarios alike?
I'm adding that I also used to run Windows on an ALPHA processor but yeah, blame the architecture.
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I'm not refering to what OS you run on what hardware m8.
The only thing i'm saying is if you want to wait for wp8 you'll probably still be waiting when it comes out because wp9 will be anounced 6 months later...
I've been here before with the HTC HD2 as they sold it being candidate for an upgrade to wp7. If it was'nt for XDA i would be still running WM6.5 on it.
I'm not saying it's a great move from Microsofts side but i just need a functional phone so i'm not that excited about it all though it's a shame for such new devices to be left out of the update (the lumia 900 isn't the only device this applys to).

Nokia has already came out and said anything that is not hardware dependent they will bring to the Lumia 900. MS hasn't even released all the new features in WP* yet so none of us really knows yet what we will be getting in 7.8. Hell some new android phones don't even ship with the newest software and you have to root it to get it. I for one think Nokia will keep updating the Lumias if for no other reasons to keep up the goodwill as thye have for the updates they have already released. Lets let the dust settle before we hang them out to dry completely. If you want go back to Android or iPhone then more power to you. I would still rather have my Lumia than any of them.