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[Q] Anyone know of an "all bands" 3g Android phone?

Given the fun and FUD surrounding the AT&T-Mobile merge, does anyone know of an Android phone that can play 3g on *anyone's* GSM network? I noticed that the crApple Ipuke 4 has 4 3g bands (presumably so they can have "One SKU to connect them all") Are there any Droids with that capability?

There are some phones listed as "Coming Soon" under the tmo site that have all bands. I'm not sure that any are available at this time.

tronmech said:
Given the fun and FUD surrounding the AT&T-Mobile merge, does anyone know of an Android phone that can play 3g on *anyone's* GSM network? I noticed that the crApple Ipuke 4 has 4 3g bands (presumably so they can have "One SKU to connect them all") Are there any Droids with that capability?
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So far the only phone capable of ALL GSM Bands is Nokia N8. No Android or Windows or the Apple is capable of doing so as of now... iPhone doesn't support 1700...
AT&T might have such a phone in future if the merger ever happens... And man, that will be an awesome feeling to have a phone of my choice of OS and I don't have to bother being restricted with one career...
I am worried, if Canada will ever see that phone... :-(

The Samsung Vibrant has the 1900 band which works for AT&T (AT&T use 850,1900), so it may cover all area, but it works in NYC
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creativedevil said:
... And man, that will be an awesome feeling to have a phone of my choice of OS and I don't have to bother being restricted with one career...
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Lol cell phone career giving you choice? Thats the best joke i have ever heard

Not sure what the original question is exactly, because GSM is really only one band around 900 Mhz. My understanding is this is normally used for EDGE, and 3G speeds / HSPA usually occurs only on the much higher frequencies.
And technically speaking, there is no GSM in the Americas, only in Eurasia. Here we have 850Mhz which should be referred to as CLR not GSM.
But if you're talking about Android phones that are 3G capable on both AWS frequencies (T-Mobile) and PCS (AT&T, Bell), check out the newly-announced LG G2X. Appears to have frequency bands for both, as well of course as CLR (Edge speeds).
The iPhone 4 does *NOT* have such a radio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands

The N1 has you covered on most bands, but not quite all of them. By the time the merger goes through, though, there will probably be more and better options.

linkmaster_6 said:
Lol cell phone career giving you choice? Thats the best joke i have ever heard
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Hahaha very funny, isn't it? Well, its not... cuz you obviously didn't get the point... Its not a choice given by career, its about the the contracts you have to go with... and if there ever is a phone which can support all the frequencies, it will give an option to switch between any GSM providers. Currently it is only possible with Nokia N8...

The G2x should support all popular bands.
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Anomaly said:
The G2x should support all popular bands.
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Unfortunately it doesn't for 3G connection.
http://www.gsmarena.com/t_mobile_g2x-3888.php

Galaxy Nexus GSM vs. CDMA

What's the differences between the two, if any?
I've been contemplating whether or not I should get the GSM version or CDMA. Are there any major differences between the two?
Sent from the future.

If you're on sprint, you kind of need to change to Verizon if you want the CDMA version. CDMA also has LTE aka true 4G, so speed will probably be better. VZW also has further reaching 3G coverage than AT&T, generally. On top of this, in my experience VZW's customer service is great, but everyone's mileage varies there.
The GSM version is not "official" for the US - you will have to pay full retail price on one ($600-ish) and sign up with tmobile or att to use it. No carrier subsidy.
Without further information about you, it's hard to say anything more.

I think the op was asking about the hardware spec. CDMA version has bigger battery and twice the storage space.

Does this mean that the Verizon version will not work on at&t? Or have slower speeds?

thanks. I wasn't referring to carrier information, though. I meant as far as hardware and software.
Did android 4.1 come with the Verizon version as promised?
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SocialReject said:
thanks. I wasn't referring to carrier information, though. I meant as far as hardware and software.
Did android 4.1 come with the Verizon version as promised?
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Verizon comes with 4.0.1 with a small update leading it to 4.0.2

ootz0rz said:
Does this mean that the Verizon version will not work on at&t? Or have slower speeds?
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Yes, verizon version will not work on ATT.
In the US is very simple. Two types of radios: CDMA and GSM.
Verizon and Sprint use CDMA.
ATT and TMO use GSM.
The smaller carriers generally use either CDMA or GSM and piggy back off the larger carrier towers.
Hopefully android devices which have hardware and software capable of using both radios will arrive and it'll become less of an issue, but as of now, the galaxy nexus is either GSM or CDMA, but not both.
Hope that helps!

How about in the UK? Is there only one of these versions? And how do I find what version I have?

UK is gsm
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ZPrimed said:
If you're on sprint, you kind of need to change to Verizon if you want the CDMA version. CDMA also has LTE aka true 4G, so speed will probably be better. VZW also has further reaching 3G coverage than AT&T, generally. On top of this, in my experience VZW's customer service is great, but everyone's mileage varies there.
The GSM version is not "official" for the US - you will have to pay full retail price on one ($600-ish) and sign up with tmobile or att to use it. No carrier subsidy.
Without further information about you, it's hard to say anything more.
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LTE IS NOT true 4G.
There is no True 4G in the US.
Google the definition of 4G.

Hi everybody, I have a verizon Galaxy Nexus I understand it's a CDMA, is there any hardware differences between this and a GSM one? or is only software? will this device work on a GSM network if I flash a GSM Rom on it?
thanks for your help!

jhonyDroid said:
Hi everybody, I have a verizon Galaxy Nexus I understand it's a CDMA, is there any hardware differences between this and a GSM one? or is only software? will this device work on a GSM network if I flash a GSM Rom on it?
thanks for your help!
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Don't even think about flashing a GSM rom on it.

mudferret said:
Don't even think about flashing a GSM rom on it.
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thanks for your answer!
I thought it was some kind of adventurer try to mix roms but can you tell me what would happen by doing this? and, is there any way to get this CDMA phone work on a GSM network?
best regards!

jhonyDroid said:
Hi everybody, I have a verizon Galaxy Nexus I understand it's a CDMA, is there any hardware differences between this and a GSM one? or is only software? will this device work on a GSM network if I flash a GSM Rom on it?
thanks for your help!
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Your CDMA version has a CDMA radio, a LTE radio, and antennas tuned to the correct LTE and CDMA frequencies used by Verizon.
The GSM version has a GSM radio with antenna turned to all common GSM frequencies.
The radios and antenna hardware are completely different in these versions and so by this fact the firmware (the software or flash able 'radio') is 100% different. Flashing the wrong one can cause all kinds of issues from not working until reflashing the correct ones yo bricking your radio (depending on how the firmware is flashed, size differences, etc.)
CDMA and GSM and LTE are all very different. LTE is based off GSM which is why you have a SIM card in LTE (though CDMA can have SIM cards if that is how the company set it up, which also is why without the SIM card you can't use your CDMA parts either).
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jhonyDroid said:
I thought it was some kind of adventurer try to mix roms but can you tell me what would happen by doing this?
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You will destroy your phone. It won't work ever again.
is there any way to get this CDMA phone work on a GSM network?
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No. It's a hardware issue that can't be fixed with software.
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siberslug said:
LTE IS NOT true 4G.
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Sure it is. Just like EDGE is "officially" 3G whenever carriers think it's in their marketing interest to say so. No one owns the term "3G" or "4G" so there's no such thing as "true" or "official". It is certainly marked performance advance over HSPA+, with real world LTE uplink speeds higher than HSPA downlink. It's at least as big of a jump from EDGE to UMTS (200kbps to 600kbps) was.
If you're referring to LTE Advanced, expect that technology to be labelled 5G when it hits the carriers. Why? Why the hell not? It's just a stupid marketing gimmick. Most consumers don't even know what the hell it means, with something like 70% of the population thinking that the iPhone 4/4S has 4G. Mo G's mo money.

Just to go along with what you are saying, the ITU changed it so that the current "4G" techs such as LTE, WIMAX, and HSPA+ are considered 4G.

Nexus vs Galaxy S2 LTE

First off I'm sorry if this is the wrong forum, MODs please move if it is.
Ok so I haven't seen that many reviews on the Rogers version of Samsung galaxy S2 LTE (not the HD from korea). Right now I debating between which one I should pick up. I had a Samsung S1 (i9000m from Bell) and I've always loved it. I love modding phones (ie custom ROM and other stuff). I plan on doing on these as well. The pros for S2 LTE is that: it is LTE compatible, 8mp back 2mp front camera, slight better processor (though I doubt there will be a big difference in performance).
Wheres the Nexus pros is that it is HD and has ICS, slightly better battery life, and of course being nexus, first in line for updates. The screen is also slightly bigger. It just sucks that the LTE from rogers isn't HD like the korean counterpart.
I do live in a LTE enabled zone so I will be able to utilize it (6GB data plan). Any thought on what phone is better? I've went in and tested both out and I honestly can't decide. I love the screen on the nexus but also the camera + LTE on the S2 balances out.

Deviatorz said:
First off I'm sorry if this is the wrong forum, MODs please move if it is.
Ok so I haven't seen that many reviews on the Rogers version of Samsung galaxy S2 LTE (not the HD from korea). Right now I debating between which one I should pick up. I had a Samsung S1 (i9000m from Bell) and I've always loved it. I love modding phones (ie custom ROM and other stuff). I plan on doing on these as well. The pros for S2 LTE is that: it is LTE compatible, 8mp back 2mp front camera, slight better processor (though I doubt there will be a big difference in performance).
Wheres the Nexus pros is that it is HD and has ICS, slightly better battery life, and of course being nexus, first in line for updates. The screen is also slightly bigger. It just sucks that the LTE from rogers isn't HD like the korean counterpart.
I do live in a LTE enabled zone so I will be able to utilize it (6GB data plan). Any thought on what phone is better? I've went in and tested both out and I honestly can't decide. I love the screen on the nexus but also the camera + LTE on the S2 balances out.
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Personally I'd go with the Nexus because the processor is almost up to par with the Exynos in the GSII vs the GSII LTE has a Qualcomm Snapdragon, which for day to day tasks is good, but GPU performance is nowhere near the Mali 400 in the Exynos.
AT&T has the Galaxy S II Skyrocket HD which is pretty much the Korean GSII with a 4-button layout. It sounds exactly like what you're looking for.

Had the at&t galaxy s2 lte and took it back. Qualcomm snapdragon sucks compared to the omap in fhe nexus, but had to use it for lte.
Nexus is so much more fluid day to day i would not look twice at the lte unless you really need limited lte .

Sounds like nexus is still the top. I might just pick it up. Idk something about the shape of the phone just doesn't catch me. Btw is the nexus 4G capable? While looking through the specs, it said its 3G or maybe that website is wrong?

Deviatorz said:
Sounds like nexus is still the top. I might just pick it up. Idk something about the shape of the phone just doesn't catch me. Btw is the nexus 4G capable? While looking through the specs, it said its 3G or maybe that website is wrong?
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It supports 4G on both GSM & LTE variants of the phone.

Deviatorz said:
Sounds like nexus is still the top. I might just pick it up. Idk something about the shape of the phone just doesn't catch me. Btw is the nexus 4G capable? While looking through the specs, it said its 3G or maybe that website is wrong?
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It is an HSPA+ device. Which is the faster 3G on AT&T (like "4G"). It is not LTE on AT&T.
zephiK said:
It supports 4G on both GSM & LTE variants of the phone.
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Ehhh. It supports HSPA+ on the GSM version. and it supports LTE on the CDMA version.

martonikaj said:
It is an HSPA+ device. Which is the faster 3G on AT&T (like "4G"). It is not LTE on AT&T.
Ehhh. It supports HSPA+ on the GSM version. and it supports LTE on the CDMA version.
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In USA, AT&T and T-Mobile markets HSPA+ as 4G.
LTE is marketed as 4G.
Therefore, the GSM & LTE both supports 4G.

I don't believe it supports Tmo's 42mbps network, however. Or does it?

zephiK said:
In USA, AT&T and T-Mobile markets HSPA+ as 4G.
LTE is marketed as 4G.
Therefore, the GSM & LTE both supports 4G.
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Yes very true, but considering OP is comparing to a 4G LTE device on AT&T, it is a good idea to make the distinction that the Galaxy Nexus is HSPA+ and the Skyrocket (SGSII LTE) is an LTE phone.
adrynalyne said:
I don't believe it supports Tmo's 42mbps network, however. Or does it?
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It is only 21mbps. Anything over 14.4mbps T-Mobile calls 4G, however.
T-Mobile only has a couple 42mbps phones I think. The SGSII and the HTC Amaze 4G are the only 2 that come to mind.

fake? Craigslist ad claims "LTE GSM Gnex"

http://orlando.craigslist.org/mob/2976413972.html
I looked up the version he said he had. It's some Korean version.
The ad claims claims it's a GSM LTE version (not verizon lte version). I have both verizon and att service so can use either. I also have unlimited data on both.
Anyways, we all know the Verizon Gnex CDMA antenna is not very good. I had since day 1. Loved the phone, hated the antenna. My verizon LTE ipad gets LTE signal at home wheras my Verizon LTE Galaxy Nexus never picks up LTE signal at home or other areas of Orlando.
I have the Nokia Lumia 900 and I know ATT LTE coverage is very strong in Orlando as well as Verizon.
So wondering if this is a fake LTE GSM gnex? I am sure it's fake but does the guy think he's fooling some people claiming it gets LTE signal?

Most likely fake.
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Edit: 1) It's a GSM Galaxy Nexus box picture.
2) Korean Galaxy Nexuses come with 1750 and 2000 mah battery (apparently)
3) http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/mobile-phone/smart-phone/kt/SHW-M420KTSKC-spec thats the model that he posted. Support Specifications WCDMA / GSM

Even if it were a GSM/LTE device, you'd still have to be ultra careful about the LTE bands, because there are like 170 different LTE bands planned by carriers, world wide.
It's going to be a huge mess.

It's most likely fake. Even if it has a Lte radio, it doesn't mean it will work on At&t's Lte bands.

I actually talked to the guy. He goes to asia a lot. He actually was an educated dude and travels to asia a lot.
It is the Korean model like you guys say. He confirmed it. He says Korean run a 1.7/1.8 LTE band in S Korea now.
So I guess it's got LTE but it sure doesn't help me in the USA since it will not pick up LTE signal with ATT.

Yup the only GSM Galaxy Nexus with LTE is the i9250K which as stated above is the South Korean Galaxy Nexus
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Probably is LTE and very probably won't work on LTE in the US.
So, he's probably being truthful but it probably won't work.
Probably.
Just meet him, place your AT&T SIM in it and see what happens. If it doesn't work, offer $250 on the spot. After he cools down, walk away empty handed.

Will the ONE X ever work on 4g with another carrier

In the US?
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Look onto getting the evo 4g lte if you want a one x on sprint
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Android310 said:
In the US?
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Since you're on an international forum, technically the phone doesn't work with any 4G carrier. 4G is defined as LTE or better. It's an HSPA+ phone capable of 21MB throughput on a compatible 3G network. Only in the U.S. is HSPA+ called 4G but what AT&T and T-Mobile are using is in fact 3G. They are the only two GSM carriers in the U.S. T-Mobile U.S. uses AWS (1700/2100) which isn't compatible with either One X (or most other phones). Their refarming their network so that data can be carried in the 1900Mhz spectrum. At that point most GSM phones will be compatible. But by the time their done the Two X will be out.
The Evo 4G which is a totally different phone supporting CDMA and LTE would work on VZW as they're a CDMA carrier also. Whether they carry a version of it or not is anyone's guess. Other than running Sense 4.0 and having a Qualcomm chip there's little in common between the One X's and the Evo 4G.

Thanks Barry.
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Didn't even know I was on a international forum. I thought xda was mainly only US.
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BarryH_GEG said:
4G is defined as LTE or better. It's an HSPA+ phone capable of 21MB throughput on a compatible 3G network.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_(telecommunication)
LTE isn't 4G either.
"Although marketed as a 4G wireless service, LTE as specified in the 3GPP Release 8 and 9 document series does not satisfy the technical requirements the 3GPP consortium has adopted for its new standard generation, and which are set forth by the ITU-R organization in its IMT-Advanced specification."
But it is a forerunner technology(4G candidate system), along with HSPA+.
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G#Data_rate_comparison
I personally believe that the term 4G should be discontinued and we should only refer to the actual cell technology instead of what is now a marketing term.

TheAndroidSwap said:
I personally believe that the term 4G should be discontinued and we should only refer to the actual cell technology instead of what is now a marketing term.
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I agree and knew by strict definition LTE as it's currently implemented isn't 4G. But, especially in the U.S., it's confused the hell out of people so to say HSPA+ isn't 4G and that even what's closest (LTE) isn't either would just confuse them further. LTE's a lot closer to 4G than it is to 3G where HSPA+ has nothing to do with 4G at all.