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Notice the super sluggish network speed?

Is this Sprint? The last few days everything is so slow. Internet, market just takes eons to load everything.

sprints 3g is horrid. theres a lot about sprint that worries me at the moment. the halting of wimax roll outs, clear is broke, sprint is virtually broke, the chance that sprint goes lte and ceases to deploy wimax to areas that they think dont need it...like my area. what happens to all the evo customers? the epic customers? the shift customers? if they unveil a nexus 4g at ctia, will it be lte or wimax?? i have to drive a long ways to get a poor wimax sig.
thankfully im not under contract.
in my opinion every sprint customer has a lot to contemplate if they dont like being taken advantage of by corporations. personally, i do not and i am but one of thousands joining the class action lawsuit over this $10 'premium data charge'. usually i wouldnt waste my time but i cant watch media on my evo the way it was meant to be viewed, in HQ. sprint refuses to acknowledge that their network is incapable. /EndMinorRant

I feel your pain. Watching videos even on youtube takes a long while to buffer.
In my area a speedtest on 3g (where I know 4g is available but MIUI 4g isnt working) i got .14mbps download .06mbps upload

tailsthecat3 said:
sprints 3g is horrid. theres a lot about sprint that worries me at the moment. the halting of wimax roll outs, clear is broke, sprint is virtually broke, the chance that sprint goes lte and ceases to deploy wimax to areas that they think dont need it...like my area. what happens to all the evo customers? the epic customers? the shift customers? if they unveil a nexus 4g at ctia, will it be lte or wimax?? i have to drive a long ways to get a poor wimax sig.
thankfully im not under contract.
in my opinion every sprint customer has a lot to contemplate if they dont like being taken advantage of by corporations. personally, i do not and i am but one of thousands joining the class action lawsuit over this $10 'premium data charge'. usually i wouldnt waste my time but i cant watch media on my evo the way it was meant to be viewed, in HQ. sprint refuses to acknowledge that their network is incapable. /EndMinorRant
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tlxxxsracer said:
I feel your pain. Watching videos even on youtube takes a long while to buffer.
In my area a speedtest on 3g (where I know 4g is available but MIUI 4g isnt working) i got .14mbps download .06mbps upload
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Yea and on my status bar it says 1x where it usually says 3g in the stock rom. The stock rom lies? This is all to unfair. They say its 3g but its not, that's false advertising. Then they slap that 10 bucks extra for 4g when we don't even have 3g speeds. ABSURD!
Tailsthecat3, I'd like to join this lawsuit, how can I?

myself and everyone i know using sprint has called to complain.
my advice is to call sprint and complain about the slow speeds. file reports with the better business bureau.
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you guys might want to check this out...
I personally called the attorney and I think everyone without 4g service should do the same.
"Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor, Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor, is investigating claims that these charges may be improper.
If you purchased a Sprint EVO 4G or EPIC 4G cellphone, we would like to hear from you so we can investigate whether you incurred this charge, how many customers have been affected, and whether there may be valid legal claims for a refund. Please contact us by responding to this email or by calling us directly at (646) 504-7781.
About Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor
Scott A. Bursor, has represented plaintiffs in class action lawsuits against Sprint and other wireless carriers since 2002. Many of these cases are discussed in detail at Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor.
Contact:
Scott A. Bursor
Email: [email protected]
Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor "
courtesy of PhyscoAssassinx over at ppcgeeks
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i contacted these folk via phone and i got a call back within a couple hours. i advise everyone to do the same.

I seriously doubt Sprint's coming out with LTE smartphones this summer. They've got to deploy their network evolution in order to do that, since it's what's going to allow sprint the flexibility to deploy multiple technologies interchangeably on the same towers. And they'd need to use their own bandwidth (probably in the 1.9 GHz range) to do so, since their 2.5 GHz is invested in clear. The 1.9 GHz spectrum is currently used for CDMA, but network evolution will allow them to move some of that onto the 800-900 MHz that will be vacated by iDEN, as well as make room on 1.9 with more efficient versions of CDMA 1x for voice. until those things start to happen, LTE is totally hypothetical.
and regarding the LTE rollout on Clear, it looks like Sprint and Clear are close to kissing and making up on the issue of wholesale data pricing for smartphones (I saw an article detailing that last week, I believe in the wall Street journal, but maybe elsewhere). That's been the major sticking point between Sprint and Clear, and should pave the way for Sprint to pump some cash into clear and get the ball rolling on more WiMax.
As for Sprint being "nearly broke", that doesn't even warrant a response. If you're really concerned about it, check out the actual numbers from their 2010 10k filing: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/110224/s10-k.html there's nothing that indicates that Sprint is "nearly broke"

I'm outside of Philly and have no problems. My 3g is fast and 4g flies.
I'm getting 1000mbps download on 3g and 7/8mbps 4g
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I seriously doubt Sprint's coming out with LTE smartphones this summer. They've got to deploy their network evolution in order to do that, since it's what's going to allow sprint the flexibility to deploy multiple technologies interchangeably on the same towers. And they'd need to use their own bandwidth (probably in the 1.9 GHz range) to do so, since their 2.5 GHz is invested in clear. The 1.9 GHz spectrum is currently used for CDMA, but network evolution will allow them to move some of that onto the 800-900 MHz that will be vacated by iDEN, as well as make room on 1.9 with more efficient versions of CDMA 1x for voice. until those things start to happen, LTE is totally hypothetical.
and regarding the LTE rollout on Clear, it looks like Sprint and Clear are close to kissing and making up on the issue of wholesale data pricing for smartphones (I saw an article detailing that last week, I believe in the wall Street journal, but maybe elsewhere). That's been the major sticking point between Sprint and Clear, and should pave the way for Sprint to pump some cash into clear and get the ball rolling on more WiMax.
As for Sprint being "nearly broke", that doesn't even warrant a response. If you're really concerned about it, check out the actual numbers from their 2010 10k filing: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/110224/s10-k.html there's nothing that indicates that Sprint is "nearly broke"
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excellent info.
i typed that they are virtually broke. not nearly broke. and if the vast subscription losses in the past are anything to go by, sprint is virtually broke(the gains are far less than the losses suffered). no they wont tell you that they have no money but when you see the losses are greater than the gains, in business, youre losing. if you see all the techs stationary, garaged vehicles, not working on or installing technology to roll out more wimax, that tells me that they cant pay, in layman's terms, the workers to work or build wimax stations.
not making this into a thing, it just worries me that wimax isnt gonna be rolled out to heavily populated areas that arent major cities. 23 miles south of boston is massachusetts' south shore. it is an extremely heavily populated area with much commerce...yet, unfortunately there is no wimax to be found.

in southern oregon, testing to a server is kansas
521kbps download
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You should definately look at that site if you think sprint is broke. All the dumb people attacking sprint with a class action law suite only hurt sprints ability to push 4G to you. Because of all the complainers about the $10 add on sprint is now charging it to all smart phone customers (to help offset the cost of the stupid lawsuit they have to deal with, and also to help make the network faster for all you complainers). Now everyone has to pay the $10 for because of the cry babies. Everyone wants things right now, realize if you live in the boondocks it takes longer to get what the city does. If you don't like your slow speeds living in the woods then move, or stop complaining and pay the $10 so your speeds can eventually get better. Or you can always be the prick that is *****ing and moaning when I walk into a store to get my phone fixed because I was the dumbass that bricked it trying to mod this sweet phone.
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You should definately look at that site if you think sprint is broke. All the dumb people attacking sprint with a class action law suite only hurt sprints ability to push 4G to you. Because of all the complainers about the $10 add on sprint is now charging it to all smart phone customers (to help offset the cost of the stupid lawsuit they have to deal with, and also to help make the network faster for all you complainers). Now everyone has to pay the $10 for because of the cry babies. Everyone wants things right now, realize if you live in the boondocks it takes longer to get what the city does. If you don't like your slow speeds living in the woods then move, or stop complaining and pay the $10 so your speeds can eventually get better. Or you can always be the prick that is *****ing and moaning when I walk into a store to get my phone fixed because I was the dumbass that bricked it trying to mod this sweet phone.
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nice job

Thank you
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tailsthecat3 said:
excellent info.
i typed that they are virtually broke. not nearly broke. and if the vast subscription losses in the past are anything to go by, sprint is virtually broke(the gains are far less than the losses suffered). no they wont tell you that they have no money but when you see the losses are greater than the gains, in business, youre losing. if you see all the techs stationary, garaged vehicles, not working on or installing technology to roll out more wimax, that tells me that they cant pay, in layman's terms, the workers to work or build wimax stations.
not making this into a thing, it just worries me that wimax isnt gonna be rolled out to heavily populated areas that arent major cities. 23 miles south of boston is massachusetts' south shore. it is an extremely heavily populated area with much commerce...yet, unfortunately there is no wimax to be found.
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There's a difference between Sprint being broke or not, and the state of the WiMax rollout. Sprint doesn't operate or build the WiMax network, that's Clear. You'll notice I don't argue with your statement that clear is virtually broke (I don't necessarily agree either, but I feel the statement is accurate enough that there's no point splitting hairs). It's no secret that Clear needs immediate cash to fund the WiMax rollout - that's a problem that's plagued every independent wireless start up that's ever tried to roll out a nationwide network. Companies like Verizon or AT&T can use the cash flow that comes from all their other businesses to either directly fund or leverage their network rollouts. Stuff like local phone service or plain old long distance may not have a huge profit margin, and it's certainly isn't as exciting as 4G wireless, but it's great to have on hand when you're making a multi-billion dollar investment that's expected to take years to pay for itself.
Now, the question is: Where is Clear going to get that cash? the most likely source is Sprint, since Sprint owns 54% of Clear to begin with, and has the greatest vested interest in Clear's WiMax rollout. Is Sprint "virtually" or "nearly" broke? I'd be hard pressed to use either word, given that they're embarking on a 4-6 Billion dollar project (Network Evolution). Make no mistake, Sprint's trucks aren't sitting in a garage. Clear's may be, but that's all pending further investment from Sprint.
In fact, I'll go a bit further and venture into purely speculative areas; I say Sprint would ideally like to buy out Clear altogether. I think it was a mistake to divest Sprint's 2.5 GHz bandwidth to begin with, one that was only nessecary due to the Gary Forsee's gross mismanagement of the company in the 2-3 years following the Sprint/Nextel merger. had the company been in better hands then, they could have built out 4G themselves and none of this would have been the issue. If Sprint can get the cash together, I'm sure they'd be in a stronger position owning WiMax outright (and network evolution would make it much, much simpler to integrate clear's network into it's own).

My SpeedTest numbers are consistently at about 300 kbps during peak hours and about 1 mbps during none peak hours.
I am in the hinterland so I do not have any idea what 4G is like.

My 3G has been slow in san francisco =[

SlickJamesBtch said:
You should definately look at that site if you think sprint is broke. All the dumb people attacking sprint with a class action law suite only hurt sprints ability to push 4G to you. Because of all the complainers about the $10 add on sprint is now charging it to all smart phone customers (to help offset the cost of the stupid lawsuit they have to deal with, and also to help make the network faster for all you complainers). Now everyone has to pay the $10 for because of the cry babies. Everyone wants things right now, realize if you live in the boondocks it takes longer to get what the city does. If you don't like your slow speeds living in the woods then move, or stop complaining and pay the $10 so your speeds can eventually get better. Or you can always be the prick that is *****ing and moaning when I walk into a store to get my phone fixed because I was the dumbass that bricked it trying to mod this sweet phone.
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I just got this phone. The stock rom said 3g on the stays bar but it wasn't. I never have bricked a phone, I find it quite hard to do so lol so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong put didn't sprint charge that 10 bones fro evo customers from the start? Way before people started complaining? Its nonsense. There is no way it makes any sense to charge 10 bucks for 4g when you don't even get 3g speeds. Its the definition of unfair. They could simply only charge 10 bucks to areas that get 4g. And when an area gets 4g, than start charging those customers in that area. Its completely logical...in my opinion. And about the woods...seriously the all the assuming is moronic(in my opinion) I live in Oregon Ohio and most of the time I'm in downtown Toledo. No woods just a very urban area. Last but not least, if I'm getting charged 10 bucks for 4g when I don't even get 2g speeds, then I'LLL ***** ALL I WANT. I deserve to. Disagree? That's literally wasting my hard earn money I work for. Right?
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Sprint never charged $10 for 4G on the EVO, not since day one. The $10 fee was for both 3G and 4G. the reasoning was, a phone like the evo is going to get more use on either network, and the end user is going to get more value out of it. something like navigation, which works fine on 3G, is more valuable to you on a 4.3" screen becuase you can see it while you're driving. And all the various widgets and apps that use data in the background run better on a 1GHz processor.
but whether you buy that or not, the reason why Sprint charged the $10 fee for the EVO and EPIC then is the same reason why they charge it to all smartphones now (and really, the reason why anybody charges anyone else anything): because they CAN. If nobody wanted to pay the fee, and the EVO bombed, they'd have dropped it like a hot potato. But obviously enough people thought that overall value was good enough to pay for it, so they didn't. It's the same reason why Verizon's going to tiered data pricing this summer; most people won't mind it. If they start flocking to sprint for unlimited data, you can bet Verizon will raise their prices $10 and offer unlimited data.
As for *****ing about network speeds though, don't let me stop you there. whether you pay $10 extra or not it's your right as a consumer to ***** and moan. Personally I'm getting 2Mbps down on 3g every morning, but by 9 am or so it drops to less than 500Kbps, which is a pain in the neck IMO.

hercules rockefeller said:
Sprint never charged $10 for 4G on the EVO, not since day one. The $10 fee was for both 3G and 4G. the reasoning was, a phone like the evo is going to get more use on either network, and the end user is going to get more value out of it. something like navigation, which works fine on 3G, is more valuable to you on a 4.3" screen becuase you can see it while you're driving. And all the various widgets and apps that use data in the background run better on a 1GHz processor.
but whether you buy that or not, the reason why Sprint charged the $10 fee for the EVO and EPIC then is the same reason why they charge it to all smartphones now (and really, the reason why anybody charges anyone else anything): because they CAN. If nobody wanted to pay the fee, and the EVO bombed, they'd have dropped it like a hot potato. But obviously enough people thought that overall value was good enough to pay for it, so they didn't. It's the same reason why Verizon's going to tiered data pricing this summer; most people won't mind it. If they start flocking to sprint for unlimited data, you can bet Verizon will raise their prices $10 and offer unlimited data.
As for *****ing about network speeds though, don't let me stop you there. whether you pay $10 extra or not it's your right as a consumer to ***** and moan. Personally I'm getting 2Mbps down on 3g every morning, but by 9 am or so it drops to less than 500Kbps, which is a pain in the neck IMO.
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for the convenience of a 4.3" screen and 1GHz processor, you're buying an expensive phone with those specs (subsidized by your contract). for your 5GB/unlimited data you're paying a monthly data plan fee. the $10 premium data fee makes no sense in light of those facts. now it's for all smart phones (even non-4g), and sprint still isnt calling it what it is: an increase in data plan pricing. they just rolled it out for the evo to begin with because sprint customers were dying for a great android/4g phone and they could slip it in there relatively unnoticed.
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hercules rockefeller said:
Sprint never charged $10 for 4G on the EVO, not since day one. The $10 fee was for both 3G and 4G. the reasoning was, a phone like the evo is going to get more use on either network, and the end user is going to get more value out of it. something like navigation, which works fine on 3G, is more valuable to you on a 4.3" screen becuase you can see it while you're driving. And all the various widgets and apps that use data in the background run better on a 1GHz processor.
but whether you buy that or not, the reason why Sprint charged the $10 fee for the EVO and EPIC then is the same reason why they charge it to all smartphones now (and really, the reason why anybody charges anyone else anything): because they CAN. If nobody wanted to pay the fee, and the EVO bombed, they'd have dropped it like a hot potato. But obviously enough people thought that overall value was good enough to pay for it, so they didn't. It's the same reason why Verizon's going to tiered data pricing this summer; most people won't mind it. If they start flocking to sprint for unlimited data, you can bet Verizon will raise their prices $10 and offer unlimited data.
As for *****ing about network speeds though, don't let me stop you there. whether you pay $10 extra or not it's your right as a consumer to ***** and moan. Personally I'm getting 2Mbps down on 3g every morning, but by 9 am or so it drops to less than 500Kbps, which is a pain in the neck IMO.
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For sure. Valid point. I'm just really bummed now because i just got this phone. I previously had the hero and I notice no difference with performance. Besides angry birds not being choppy... I wanted a better browsing experience and better video experience. I haven't even got to watch an HD video yet, because they wont load. It takes soooo long to download 1 thing at the market. Its bizarre. Plus the 720 HD recording ..I haven't seen that yet.
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augoza said:
I just got this phone. The stock rom said 3g on the stays bar but it wasn't. I never have bricked a phone, I find it quite hard to do so lol so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong put didn't sprint charge that 10 bones fro evo customers from the start? Way before people started complaining? Its nonsense. There is no way it makes any sense to charge 10 bucks for 4g when you don't even get 3g speeds. Its the definition of unfair. They could simply only charge 10 bucks to areas that get 4g. And when an area gets 4g, than start charging those customers in that area. Its completely logical...in my opinion. And about the woods...seriously the all the assuming is moronic(in my opinion) I live in Oregon Ohio and most of the time I'm in downtown Toledo. No woods just a very urban area. Last but not least, if I'm getting charged 10 bucks for 4g when I don't even get 2g speeds, then I'LLL ***** ALL I WANT. I deserve to. Disagree? That's literally wasting my hard earn money I work for. Right?
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ive had a few evo's. on my second or third, in epst, my evdo mode was set to CDMA only. out of the box! needless to say, that particular device was returned because of other issues but i found that odd. figured id mention it because like you stated, my display read 3G but it was running 1X.

Screwed for iPhone 4GS rant

WE have been duped by Sprint people. Go to their website and you will notice the announcement of the iPhone 4Gs. You can even pre order it. This privilege was not given for the Samsung Galaxy S 2 ET4G.
Why...was this you say...it's obvious that Sprint knew it had made a deal to buy a **** load of IOS devices to secure this deal with Apple.so they didn't promote the galaxy ET4g. Now they have a big announcement tomorrow. They are going out of their way to let you pre order the iPhone as well.
Sad, and yes I feel they used us to get this deal, by canceling all perks, while giving us crappy service. My Photon has a red circle and no service, and I don't have a ET4G yet. Service has been terrible most of the summer all over NY and in mid town NYC.
If service was being interrupted to better service I may stick around, but not getting signal, failed messages, and paying for it and no credit with lies is unacceptable. Not being able to pre-order the phone I wanted because they made a deal with Crapple is also unforgivable. Price isn't the only thing that matters in a business relationship. It's I pay for service and expect to have it when I want it, not when you decide to give it.
Hell I was told by a customer service rep that I should be happy because I have had a lot of usage on my line. I then said yes that is true, but when I need my service to work it failed to deliver....I missed important calls. and meetings with people because of failed service.
People were telling me when they called the phone rang 3x's and hung up no message was able to be left. Others told me that they would get a network busy message please try again later. One rep verified this condition of calling me, and could not get through. The phone rang 3x's and the line just went dead when they called. I have been to tech centers, and have made many battery pulls, and software reboots, and finally I was told that there was a net work issue and they did not know when it would be cleared. Now when I call to talk about it they put me on hold no music and never come back to talk.
I just don't see it getting better, and when the next generation of phones IE Prime or what ever hits Verizon, and this is not cleared I am gone. When I feel I have to beg for service, or a credit for not receiving service after paying my bills for 15 years, and at one point having a $300 a month phone bills for business it's time to go.
My bill analysis shows that I average 240 msg a month, and average about 2g of data a month, and since I use my phone mostly for calls a Verizion 69.00 phone plan with 10 data, and 10.00 for data equals what I am paying now. So if this doesn't clear with the loss of perks I am outta here.lol

My service is better than ever...by far too. I never saw over 8Mbps download speed in Los Angeles on 4G and now....
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Enjoy the larger bill on Verizon. It fast and rather reliable
Life is too short to complain on services you are not happy about. Great thing about America is that we have three major carriers
The sprint network can't compete with Verizon in "most" areas,

Can I have your phone when you leave? I've got a line with no phone....

care cup \__/
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When sprint cancelled premiere the writing was on the wall. It was on your august bill statement. In addition, sprint raised the admin fee by 50cents which invalidated every contract. Also on your bill statement.
Then sprint raised ETF from $200 to $350. Then they changed 30 day phone trials to 14 days. All this in september.
I am here on this board with an E4GT because of these changes - I had to get my final premiere upgrade prior to 10/2/2011. Otherwise I was fully planning on just waiting another month for nexus prime.
Now the E4GT has serious radio issues. Like OP, I had calls go to voicemail for hours at a time. Others have LOS, dropped calls, no signal bars, phone refuses to roam, etc.
Sprint's CEO said that 54% of sprint customer churn is due to not having an iphone. Thats a pretty hard fact to not pay attention to.
It is clear sprint is putting all eggs in one basket - the iphone basket. Sprint has lost money for 15 straight quarters. This will either save sprint or ruin sprint.
I've been with sprint 10 years now, and im no iphone fan. THe writing is on the wall: We'll let you keep your android devices and stay on our network, but we really don't care about you now. Of course I knew all this over a month ago and I was still willing to sign a 2 year contract in september for the Epic 4g touch. That was before all the LOS issues arose.
We'll see what the next 2 years brings. But the days of customer loyalty perks, retention plans, etc are clearly over.

I just switched from verizon to sprint, so I can give you a good preview of what to expect.
First of all, the service is top notch, and the lte speeds were incredible - I regularly got over 20 mbps in my area, many times close to 30. Of course, keep in mind that their lte service is fairly new, and at the time they only had 3 expensive phones that could use it, so that will likely change as more people upgrade and the network gets saturated.
So why did I leave this awesome service? Price. Everything across the board is way more expensive - service and phones. I paid $50 more for a Droid Charge than I did for my E4GT, and that phone isn't even in the same league. For our family plan with unlimited text, only 700 minutes, 2 data plans and 2 other phones, it was $230 a month. Our kids wanted smartphones too, but to add 2 more data plans would have put our bill up to $300. I'm not broke, but not rich either, and that cost is pretty hard to justify.
Also, keep in mind that all those policies Sprint just changed are the same policies Verizon has - 14 day return, $350 etf (even after being way overcharged on the phones up front), and no more New Every Two program.
The only carrier I've found with good pricing and great coverage (in my area) is Tmo, and I almost jumped to them, but no way in hell I want to risk being an att customer again.
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txmikester said:
I just switched from verizon to sprint, so I can give you a good preview of what to expect.
First of all, the service is top notch, and the lte speeds were incredible - I regularly got over 20 mbps in my area, many times close to 30. Of course, keep in mind that their lte service is fairly new, and at the time they only had 3 expensive phones that could use it, so that will likely change as more people upgrade and the network gets saturated.
So why did I leave this awesome service? Price. Everything across the board is way more expensive - service and phones. I paid $50 more for a Droid Charge than I did for my E4GT, and that phone isn't even in the same league. For our family plan with unlimited text, only 700 minutes, 2 data plans and 2 other phones, it was $230 a month. Our kids wanted smartphones too, but to add 2 more data plans would have put our bill up to $300. I'm not broke, but not rich either, and that cost is pretty hard to justify.
Also, keep in mind that all those policies Sprint just changed are the same policies Verizon has - 14 day return, $350 etf (even after being way overcharged on the phones up front), and no more New Every Two program.
The only carrier I've found with good pricing and great coverage (in my area) is Tmo, and I almost jumped to them, but no way in hell I want to risk being an att customer again.
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Perspective ftw!
This is called "grass is greener" syndrome. You're gonna love it at first. Then 6 months later you're posting the same crap in another forum.

AbsolutZeroGI said:
Perspective ftw!
This is called "grass is greener" syndrome. You're gonna love it at first. Then 6 months later you're posting the same crap in another forum.
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It all comes down to service.....ETFs, and other fees are basic...it's about service when I want it....I am worn out this summer by Sprint's evasive bull**** regarding the service issues that we are experiencing. Collecting my money for inferior service, and lying about is bad business practice......

Piece out!!!!

QWIKSTRIKE said:
It all comes down to service.....ETFs, and other fees are basic...it's about service when I want it....I am worn out this summer by Sprint's evasive bull**** regarding the service issues that we are experiencing. Collecting my money for inferior service, and lying about is bad business practice......
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Amen. I am tired of flipping on Roam Control and dealing on 1x every time I enter a building. What good is unlimited 3g if it is slow as molasses, and 4g which is spotty and hardly ever works indoors? At this point, I am off contract and if Prime comes to VZW and is not full of bloat I may be gone.

dohturdima said:
Amen. I am tired of flipping on Roam Control and dealing on 1x every time I enter a building. What good is unlimited 3g if it is slow as molasses, and 4g which is spotty and hardly ever works indoors? At this point, I am off contract and if Prime comes to VZW and is not full of bloat I may be gone.
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I was told that the unlimited everything plan for the IPhone will be $20 a month more than ours..
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I like android and I never want a I-PHONE.
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dohturdima said:
Amen. I am tired of flipping on Roam Control and dealing on 1x every time I enter a building. What good is unlimited 3g if it is slow as molasses, and 4g which is spotty and hardly ever works indoors? At this point, I am off contract and if Prime comes to VZW and is not full of bloat I may be gone.
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It doesn't really matter if it has bloat where cause you can root the stock rom and use titanium backup to remove it all. Its super easy to do

dohturdima said:
Amen. I am tired of flipping on Roam Control and dealing on 1x every time I enter a building. What good is unlimited 3g if it is slow as molasses, and 4g which is spotty and hardly ever works indoors? At this point, I am off contract and if Prime comes to VZW and is not full of bloat I may be gone.
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I am not just talking 3g/4G.....I get a red circle with a line almost daily. I have been missing calls. getting network busy try back later errors, and not receiving calls for hours a day. I missed getting calls with 4-5 bars in mid town Manhattan, and people told me the phone just rang 3 times and stopped ringing with no option to leave a voice mail. Others were told to "try back later network busy". This can only get worse if iPhone is coming. I am not the only one experiencing this issue the Sprint online community is filled with this same complaint.

JohnCorleone said:
I was told that the unlimited everything plan for the IPhone will be $20 a month more than ours..
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Nope, it is the same price. You can go on and pre-order to see the pricing.

Tonight was the first time I considered leaving sprint

I've been with Sprint for 7 years, mainly because of cost (I'm on Sero) and phones. That and I've always considered CDMA to be superior to GSM with regards to coverage. (in the US) But tonight I second guessed myself.
In my apartment, which is half underground, I need an airwave to get a decent signal from sprint. My girlfriend is visiting and for ****s and giggles I did a speed test on her atnt HTC inspire. Now I had heard people mock atnt's 4G network for not being true "4G," but with one bar of signal this phone is pulling 25mbs down and 6mbs up. Most of the time in my area I only get 3G and when I travel to the city next to mine the 4G is around 2mbs down.
I went to atnt's website and priced a plan similar to mine and it would end up costing me around $100 per month to get from atnt what I get for $60 from sprint. And thats not technically accurate since sprint gives us unlimited data. For that price difference I can't justify switching yet.
This phone is awesome and looks like it will be enough to hold me over for some time. (time as defined by a cell phone addict) The upcoming galaxy nexus may have a nice screen, but its raw power seems lacking compared to the SGS2. Which makes sense. The galaxy S series is samsung's flagship, the nexus series is google's flagship provided by samsung, who would get the better hardware? The only phone I see on the horizon right now that is a challenger (besides the S3 ofc) would be the samsung note. Now if I was going to go through the trouble of importing a phone (note will be only international initially it seems) and getting it to work on one of the carriers here, atnt would be the easiest option. If they made a CDMA international version with the right radio I could probably figure out or find/pay someone with the appropriate knowledge of CMDA workshop to get it working on sprint, but the alternative would be easier. I am an admitted sprint fanboy, but tonight is the first time in a while I actually priced out other options. I will probably stick out the rest of this contract (about two years obviously) and see how network vision and the LTE rollout pans out; however if things aren't looking much better I'm jumping ship or getting a second phone.
Anyway I apologize for the extremely random rant. I was shocked by atnt's "4G" network performance. Thats something I would've expected from a verizon LTE phone, but apparently the stereotypes I've held onto about the different networks are incorrect. Or the tower her phone is connected to is extremely uncongested, who knows. Like I said, I'm a sprint fan and a share holder, but if something doesn't change, my opinion will.
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Sprint's network blows worse than I thought compared to others

25mbs down and 6mbs up? Amazing!
Nothing like downloading a movie in under ten minutes... better be a good movie though since that uses up a good chunk of the 2GB you get per month.
Sorry, but it has to be about more than just raw speed.
This is like saying "I have a Lamborghini! But I can only drive in 40 miles a month"
The real question is, does 2mbit/s do it for you?
Because I don't know one thing you can't do on a phone [from stream music to streaming video] at 2mbit/s.
These aren't servers, they're phones.

mattykinsx said:
25mbs down and 6mbs up? Amazing!
Nothing like downloading a movie in under ten minutes... better be a good movie though since that uses up a good chunk of the 2GB you get per month.
Sorry, but it has to be about more than just raw speed.
This is like saying "I have a Lamborghini! But I can only drive in 40 miles a month"
The real question is, does 2mbit/s do it for you?
Because I don't know one thing you can't do on a phone [from stream music to streaming video] at 2mbit/s.
These aren't servers, they're phones.
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Win.
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The real question is, does 2mbit/s do it for you?
Because I don't know one thing you can't do on a phone [from stream music to streaming video] at 2mbit/s.
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You are very correct. If I got a consistent 2mbit/s I'd be very content, but the only time I get that is on wimax when I make a trip to best buy in the city adjacent to me. If its night time, and I'm outside, I'll get 1.5mbit/s. Daytime outside 500-600kbit/s, most of the time I'm inside so that drops to 200-400. The building I work in has wifi and when I used my Evo it wasn't an issue, but with the epic touch's horrible wifi reception there are times when my 3G signal is present and the wifi isn't x.x
Furthermore when driving around I can't even use pandora without a good 20 seconds between songs due to lag. Now maybe the same thing would be true with atnt or verizon 4g, I can't be sure since my test was isolated to one spot, but I have a good idea it would be better.

What phone are u saying is international only?
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!

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What phone are u saying is international only?
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!
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samsung note, but it might be coming to atnt here

Never mock the marketing names. Only mock the actual experienced speeds.
How much would it cost to go family plan on your GFs account?

Verizon's got 20mbps LTE in my house, but I'm with Sprint because they pull 2500 kbps on 3G and it's unlimited.

yeah, I think about this constantly...and it's not even the price that keeps me anymore, it's the unlimited. My use can vary between 1.5gb a month to 20gb a month depending on where I go and what I do. I don't even want to know what that would cost me on ATT or Verizon...and T-Mobile is just a non-starter due to even worse coverage than Sprint.
But lets say I get some of that ATT or Verizon 20-40mbps action. I can peg that for minutes before burning through my limit of data...that's scary. Now, okay, even sticking to my same usage pattern...no, honestly I can't even gauge that. If I didn't get cut off or lagged to death I would almost certainly consume tons more data.
Is this fear enough to keep me? Not for much longer. Do you hear that Sprint? A lot of us are thinking very seriously a bout switching. Sure, 20-40mbps is on the 'ideal-to-high' side for HDSPA+ and LTE but I would jump ship for half of that, or even a reliable quarter of that. DO YOU HEAR THAT SPRINT? I WOULD PAY MORE MONEY FOR A TIERED PLAN THAT PROMISED TO DELIVER MY DATA AT SPEEDS THAT THEIR NETWORK WOULD CONSIDER 'CONGESTED' Meanwhile we're over here on Sprint praying to get 1/16th of those speeds and failing to get even that. Sure, promise us unlimited data and then fail to provide a speed that would even allow half of us to hit the limit of the equivalent plan on Verizon or ATT...
I'm very seriously considering leaving Sprint after more than a decade. This service is bad and just getting worse. Now we have the iPhone. Big fncking deal. I hope it was worth it to Sprint, cuz it certainly wasn't to me.
Galaxy Nexus...nice phone...a slightly bigger slightly higher res version of this phone (essentially, lets not nit pick here) except it's not only on Verizon's awesome 3G network (which I'm roaming on right now), but also Verizon LTE network.....for $10 more a month and watching my data usage a little I never have to worry about getting hosed with 250-500kbps service on a constant basis....hmm, not too bad.

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yeah, I think about this constantly...and it's not even the price that keeps me anymore, it's the unlimited. My use can vary between 1.5gb a month to 20gb a month depending on where I go and what I do. I don't even want to know what that would cost me on ATT or Verizon...and T-Mobile is just a non-starter due to even worse coverage than Sprint.
But lets say I get some of that ATT or Verizon 20-40mbps action. I can peg that for minutes before burning through my limit of data...that's scary. Now, okay, even sticking to my same usage pattern...no, honestly I can't even gauge that. If I didn't get cut off or lagged to death I would almost certainly consume tons more data.
Is this fear enough to keep me? Not for much longer. Do you hear that Sprint? A lot of us are thinking very seriously a bout switching. Sure, 20-40mbps is on the 'ideal-to-high' side for HDSPA+ and LTE but I would jump ship for half of that, or even a reliable quarter of that. DO YOU HEAR THAT SPRINT? I WOULD PAY MORE MONEY FOR A TIERED PLAN THAT PROMISED TO DELIVER MY DATA AT SPEEDS THAT THEIR NETWORK WOULD CONSIDER 'CONGESTED' Meanwhile we're over here on Sprint praying to get 1/16th of those speeds and failing to get even that. Sure, promise us unlimited data and then fail to provide a speed that would even allow half of us to hit the limit of the equivalent plan on Verizon or ATT...
I'm very seriously considering leaving Sprint after more than a decade. This service is bad and just getting worse. Now we have the iPhone. Big fncking deal. I hope it was worth it to Sprint, cuz it certainly wasn't to me.
Galaxy Nexus...nice phone...a slightly bigger slightly higher res version of this phone (essentially, lets not nit pick here) except it's not only on Verizon's awesome 3G network (which I'm roaming on right now), but also Verizon LTE network.....for $10 more a month and watching my data usage a little I never have to worry about getting hosed with 250-500kbps service on a constant basis....hmm, not too bad.
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I say you set the font size to 7 so Sprint can really hear you.
Oh wait, XDA is not a Sprint forum...
If your service doesn't do what you need it to, switch to one that does instead of making empty threats on a hacker forum that can't help you.

Guess I'm not the only one with insomnia at 4am...
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I have to say I'm also thinking about jumping ship from Sprint. I love my ET4G but the network speeds are complete crap. I'm in Los Angeles, only 15 minutes from downtown and I get CRAP speeds everywhere I go in Los Angeles County and in Tucson. Sprint's network just plain sucks. I get slow 3G speeds and rarely even connect to 4G and 4G speeds are usually about the same as my 3G speeds if it stays connected.
I've been with them for a decade now and get pretty good pricing but I want good data now more than ever. As soon as they change from 5GB cap on data service for phones I'll be able to dump my contract without an ETF and I'll go to Verizon. Sprint's prices are only a deal if you get comparable service to other providers. http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...ost-iphone-launch-45-pages-of-complaints-bad/

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I say you set the font size to 7 so Sprint can really hear you.
Oh wait, XDA is not a Sprint forum...
If your service doesn't do what you need it to, switch to one that does instead of making empty threats on a hacker forum that can't help you.
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Lol, did I hit a sensitive spot? Slow speeds gettin' ya down? LTE envy?
To think that someone from Sprint doesn't keep an eye on this place is outright stupid....though it likely isn't someone who could help. I think it's even more idiotic to think that Sprint would listen to one lone complainer when they haven't listened to hundreds of thousands yet. Hell, on their own forum they can just delete the dissenting comment.
A thread full of impotent rage is surely more useful than a dump-truck full of deleted comments.
Besides, do you think Sprint would prefer to be the discount third-rate network? If they could snap their fingers and come up with the capitol to say "make it so" and have the network be competitive I'm sure they would. They can't. I could email everyone one of the top brass at Sprint, fax it to them, have the message hand delivered to everyone that mattered and it wouldn't be any more effective.
Here I am among a group of peers who share many of the same issues, at least here my comment can't be deleted by the company it criticizes. I'm bouncing ideas around, thinking out loud, commiserating. Sometimes "just talking about it" can be cathartic and be enough to relieve the frustration...or perhaps lead to solutions.
If this thread doesn't have only messages that you like switch to one that does instead of leaving *****y replies on a hacker forum that can't help your either?
....This is the /General forum, that's why...a thread about considering leaving Sprint no less. Seems the perfect venue to me. What else did you think you'd find in here?
That said this is no empty threat. If things don't start turning around soon it's going to be pretty hard to stick around here once that LTE Nexus Galaxy comes out...I've got a couple 'outs' on my contract like a dead-spot that an air-rave couldn't fix. The Verizon signal there is fantastic and I hear it's an LTE tower too.

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holy cow. I wish i could just get over 200kbps in my area....
I have to drive like 8 miles to just get 800-1000kbps in Tucson. BUT if i go DEEP into tucson by the university and everything else ill get about 1600kbps - 1900kbps.
Sprints towers in my neighborhood have been on and off since August 21st. Ive dropped more calls in those few months then with the 8 years ive had them and keep roaming and at times wont even get my texts and calls.
I also have been getting a call from the same Rep every tuesday asking if signal is any better and i give the same response and he puts out a trouble ticket.
just this bs alone makes me want to get verizon (my GF has a Droid Inc 2 and she gets 2000kbps in my house. ) But the 2gb cap and the fact that for the family of smartphones with discount is $264 and alot more than i pay now.
I know its not just my phone, its every sprint phone that is in my area.
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Besides, do you think Sprint would prefer to be the discount third-rate network? If they could snap their fingers and come up with the capitol to say "make it so" and have the network be competitive I'm sure they would. They can't. I could email everyone one of the top brass at Sprint, fax it to them, have the message hand delivered to everyone that mattered and it wouldn't be any more effective.
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Now now lets look at what Sprint has bet the entire farm on. They have betted over 20 BILLION dollars just to accomodate the IPHONE and iphone alone. Yes you read that right 20 Billion dollars. What about the rest of the other phones in their lineup.
I am not knocking a thing here just saying that is Sprint can bet the farm aka 20+ Billion just for the iphone then they can put some cash toward supporting the other phones.
I am now looking at Verizon and will be pricing a plan that compares to what I have with Sprint and if its not too much more money then well sorry Sprint I am gone.
Here in my hometown Verizon is rock solid and with 4g. Sprint sucks the big arse big time and the speeds I am getting is 200K down and about 170K up. Its so bad and has gotten worse in the last year that I have to use my TWC internet connection just for data uses on my Epic 4 g touch. I am paying that extra 10 bucks a month just because of the phone and for what crap service.
Again if Sprint can bet the farm and shell out over 20 Billion dollars just for the iphone then they can invest in the rest of us. If not then maybe its time to find another provider.

Wizard220 said:
Now now lets look at what Sprint has bet the entire farm on. They have betted over 20 BILLION dollars just to accomodate the IPHONE and iphone alone. Yes you read that right 20 Billion dollars. What about the rest of the other phones in their lineup.
I am not knocking a thing here just saying that is Sprint can bet the farm aka 20+ Billion just for the iphone then they can put some cash toward supporting the other phones.
I am now looking at Verizon and will be pricing a plan that compares to what I have with Sprint and if its not too much more money then well sorry Sprint I am gone.
Here in my hometown Verizon is rock solid and with 4g. Sprint sucks the big arse big time and the speeds I am getting is 200K down and about 170K up. Its so bad and has gotten worse in the last year that I have to use my TWC internet connection just for data uses on my Epic 4 g touch. I am paying that extra 10 bucks a month just because of the phone and for what crap service.
Again if Sprint can bet the farm and shell out over 20 Billion dollars just for the iphone then they can invest in the rest of us. If not then maybe its time to find another provider.
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I agree. Granted, to stay competitive, I think they had to do whatever it took to get the iPhone... does that give them a fighting chance? At best. This wasn't capitol either, it was a promise of future sales. This, honestly, all looks terrible for Sprint in the short term and uncertain, at best, in the long term. Have you seen what their shares have been trading at?
Meanwhile I have seen the once ass-kicking network where with my LG Lotus I could pull down 2mbps on a regular basis tethered (for only $15 more than my $69.99 plan) only ~2 years later I can barely hit 500kbps for $10 on top of my $69.99 plan...and then the onslaught of iPhone users comes in to gobble up the rest. So I'm paying $5 less than I was ~2 years ago for 25% of the speed and 25% of the availability...My connections time out so much that I have to hit 'reload' so many times it's absurd. Pop on 00001.PRL to see what the other side lives with....1.5mbps all day every day, even in my apartment where I routinely get 150-500kbps. Randomly, except during peak hours (noon, give or take 6 hours) where I'm lucky to even get a connection. I absolutely need to use Opera Mini to even load a non-mobile version of a web page....how fast is it going then? Who knows, the speedtest app hangs at 'finding server'.
Things did seem to be picking up in the weeks leading up to the iPhone launch, but, that phone has made any gains moot. If in the next month I don't see some real action it's over...I'm going *sigh* Verizon. Paying too much for data you do get is preferable to paying anything for data you don't get.

I've wanted to switch for 6 or more months now. The only thing keeping me is the Google Voice/Sprint integration. Being able to check and answer all my texts and calls online regardless of where I am geographically or what state my phone is in is huge for me.
I'd easily leave and tolerate a 2GB cap that I actually have the capacity to reach, than deal with poor service even in the midst of an AirRave. I too am experiencing abysmal network speed in a decent sized American city.
I'd also love to tap in to the international developement base as far as having a popular unlocked GSM phone like the (original) GSII goes.

dmexs said:
I've wanted to switch for 6 or more months now. The only thing keeping me is the Google Voice/Sprint integration. Being able to check and answer all my texts and calls online regardless of where I am geographically or what state my phone is in is huge for me.
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Just port your number out to Google Voice. I did that with my last phone when I got out of contract for free. It cost $20 and took 3 days. They still haven't gottem MMS straightened out yet but in the past week they made it a priority...currently Sprint-to-Sprint MMS works. But I just sent a mass-text to everyone that would even send me MMS (few people, honestly, 8 or 9 maybe?) and told them to send MMS to the new number. So now I get that same integration no matter where I go. So now all voicemails and text to that number go to my phone, web browser GV tab and my tablet. It's insanely handy and totally worth the $20 and minor hassle.
I myself was thinking about going to Verizon for the Nexus Prime...and they still have month-to-month plans if you buy the device outright. That way if Sprint happens to get their **** together and fixes this network up--or if the tiered data plans end up being too much to deal with--I can just bail.
EDIT: I just looked into Verizon:
450 Minutes : $39.99
250 Messages : $5.00
2GB Data : $30.00 = $74.99 a month
or 5GB Data : $50.00 = $94.99 a month
...not to bad if I can keep it under 2GB, palatable for 5GB plan.... I'm not thrilled about it, at all. But, to get usable data on a month-to-month plan I'll just might take it.
T-Mobile:
Unlimited Everything + 2gb "full speed" = $79.99 a month
Unlimited Everything + 5gb "full speed" = $89.99 a month
...not too shabby, but, they have no compelling phones right now and even though I hear their 3G and "4G" (aka 3.5G) is pretty damned fast I'm not so sure about their coverage
AT&T:
450 Minutes : $39.99
2GB Data : $25.00 = $64.99 a month
4GB Data + tethering: $45 = $74.99 a month
though they don't seem to have any txting packages except the $20 unlimited, which is ridiculous. that's fine for me, I use GVoice, but, how to MMS count, just data? Their coverage around here ain't bad and their data speeds are very fast from what I hear.
hmmm

And lets not forget, Sprint has taken the "first" step toward teired data plans. Yes if you have mobil plan with them ( not cell phone ) you now have a teired data plan. before you pay a flat rate and got unlimited.
To me this is the last step before teired data plans comes to us cell phone users. With all the changes that Sprint has done this will be the final nail in its coffen. If Sprint does roll out teired data plans there will be zero reason to stay with them. Why because you can pay about the same price maybe just a little more and get solid service, solid data rates.

If sprint losses unlimited data I'd be gone. My 3g is miserable in Toledo 200-300 kbps. i'm never off wifi anymore.
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Sprint reportedly cancelling......

Ahhhhh damn here we go again.....LOL
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/sprint-cancelling-early-upgrades/
"Like dominoes, Sprint's consumer-friendly policies continue to fall one at a time. Citing "high costs," the Now Network will begin discontinuing its practice of allowing customers to upgrade their phone 10-14 days prior to the official date of eligibility" - They aint lying

Not too bad, but still disappointing.
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Eh, no big deal to me. But it sucks for those that take advantage of it. Thanks for sharing.

Yea its not earth shattering but its just another broken link in the chain of bad decisions by Sprint lately. The sad part is you sit back and go what next...

In my point of veiw all sprint has done the last year is raise cost for us! We customers who wanted 4g and bought the evo 4g most never seen or connected to 4g. 3G speeds are beyond terrible and downright bog to 1X kind of speed during busy hours. At this point the cost between Sprint and verizon service is closing more and more as we speak. So I can expect many more customers to think, Why not go to a service with great data and call connectivity. Sprint really had a good think going with cost effective plans, but since have taken away many things like discounts on all lines, premier customers, ect ect. I know they are still cheaper but for how long and when will we see good data speeds like other companies? We are dead last in that!

How on earth is two weeks early costly?

Personally my biggest regret is getting my S2...not because I don't like the phone, but Sprint's data service is just godawfully slow. I bet I use less than 50M a month. The second I get home I go to WiFi and when I'm out and about I just don't bother as the 3G is a joke.
Unless Sprint gets LTE here in Iowa by mid 2013, I'll pay the early termination fee for our lines and go to Verizon. When I'm a meeting a work I'll have my coworker look stuff up on his Galaxy Nexus...with the 8-12 MB download speeds from Verizon.
Life could certainly be worse, but my data speeds have nowhere to go but up.

I don't see this as a big deal whatsoever. The last line of the memo is the most important Imo. Everyone is eligible for upgrade the 1st of the month their contract is up. What more can you ask for?
As far as sprint saving money, not sure how really. I mean by allowing an early upgrade they are guaranteeing 22 months of payment out of you. Most of us would use that 2 weeks to get a new phone on launch, right? What happens when instead of getting a launch phone with them early, another carrier has a new phone being released when your contract is up? I'm blabbing, but what I'm saying is if they let me upgrade a little early I would be more likely to stay with that provider. But if I wait then I'm suddenly out of contract, which would make me shop around carriers.
Tl;dr
I see potential loss here, because they are basically giving sprint customers a reason to shop around while off contract instead of always keeping us in contract by allowing early upgrades.
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ib4 'would this allow me to get out w/o paying ETF', 'is this a breach of contract?', etc

Figures... Admittedly the 3g speeds are ridiculously slow... The only thing keeping me with sprint is the unlimited data... When that goes out the window so do I...
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Another nickel in the nickel-and-diming Sprint is doing causing customer losses.

Could be worse, verizon is removing all grandfathered plans with unlimited data:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/verizon-cfo-says-grandfathered-unlimited-plans-on-the-way-out/

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Another nickel in the nickel-and-diming Sprint is doing causing customer losses.
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Exactly, if you treat this as a separate event then its not a big deal but if you start to add up all that has happened in the past year and since the Iphone came aboard and it may upset you especially if you took 2 minutes to have this page refresh due to network restraints....

brooksyx said:
Could be worse, verizon is removing all grandfathered plans with unlimited data:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/verizon-cfo-says-grandfathered-unlimited-plans-on-the-way-out/
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Was just going to post this.
All that monthly cost just to get bent over lololol
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mattykinsx said:
Was just going to post this.
All that monthly cost just to get bent over lololol
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Yeah, I do wish I had verizon for their great coverage, thats what I had before my parents kicked me off of their plan.
But hey I don't mind my virgin mobile: 1200min/unlimited text/unlimited data for $40 a month. I am pretty happy with that. Even have unlimited wimax 4g
I will probably switch over to sprint in a year or two though when I can afford it better.

chadillac3 said:
Personally my biggest regret is getting my S2...not because I don't like the phone, but Sprint's data service is just godawfully slow. I bet I use less than 50M a month. The second I get home I go to WiFi and when I'm out and about I just don't bother as the 3G is a joke.
Unless Sprint gets LTE here in Iowa by mid 2013, I'll pay the early termination fee for our lines and go to Verizon. When I'm a meeting a work I'll have my coworker look stuff up on his Galaxy Nexus...with the 8-12 MB download speeds from Verizon.
Life could certainly be worse, but my data speeds have nowhere to go but up.
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i live in Iowa as well. all my friends have Verizon as well. they do have nice service but they can only use 2gb a month or they pay out the ass. i get around 1mb down most days and i use about 10-16gb of data per month. my bill has never gone up and no one at sprint cares.
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I think this is a good move. You guys that are complaining about it need to see what we see in the stores. This 14 day early deal is confusing to customers and abused by third party stores. The cost savings are in reduced overrides that are done when customers come in confused. Id rather have a consistent, fair policy than one that can be used to work the system by some and not taken advantage of by others. The upgrade now promo is a perfect example of a policy change that makes sense. Customers in March could pay to reset their upgrade regardless of the plan they were on. Instead of yearly upgrades for customers on expensive plans, now anyone could get it with a little extra cash if they need it.
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darksideauto said:
i live in Iowa as well. all my friends have Verizon as well. they do have nice service but they can only use 2gb a month or they pay out the ass. i get around 1mb down most days and i use about 10-16gb of data per month. my bill has never gone up and no one at sprint cares.
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Don't let my girlfriend see your posts. She has a Verizon Gnex but the 4g is nearly useless. We live an hour away from the Quad Cities and Verizon's 4g only covers the core of that area.
At least with Sprint, there's no teasing just out of range prospect of 4g!

HenryDCase said:
Don't let my girlfriend see your posts. She has a Verizon Gnex but the 4g is nearly useless. We live an hour away from the Quad Cities and Verizon's 4g only covers the core of that area.
At least with Sprint, there's no teasing just out of range prospect of 4g!
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She should be getting LTE by end of this year, though...with Sprint...I may be retired before it happens.

Ascertion said:
How on earth is two weeks early costly?
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cause if you do it everytime you can over 54 years you just got a free phone.

[Q] Cancel Sprint - Offset ETF by transferring a basic phone onto account

After being together for the holidays with everyone for a week and travelling all over the place together while watching what other peoples results for coverage and speed tests were on other carriers and other smartphones, I am leaving Sprint.
I've had sprint since 2007 starting with a Palm Treo 700wx. I went from that, to a 750wx, to a Palm Treo Pro, to a temporary hiatus with a Windows Phone 7 on T-Mobile for a month, then back to Sprint with a HTC Evo Shift 4G and to my current phone; the SGS2/Epic 4G Touch.
I'll admit, I have loved playing with the previous two android phones I've had and loading tons of different ROMs, radios, PRL's, etc. I've found sweet spots and balance in them for my needs but..
My problem is, Sprints serivce has become extremely lacking while other providers move full steam ahead in their data coverage and speed offerings. Comparing just my brothers (ATT iPhone 5) and my GF's (VZW SGS3) phones to mine while they have been with me when we are travelling both around home and away on vacations has left me with a really bad taste in my mouth.
The SGS3 stays on 4G 95% of the time, the battery life is incredible, the speed tests are always returning 18-35Mbps downstream speeds wherever we go, and there are no times where the phone appears to have data coverage, but the network is unresponsive.
The ATT iPhone5 would slightly rival my 4G test results at times (when I actually have 4G coverage that is! :laugh, but 90% of the time it returned consistent 5-18Mbps downstream tests and was locked to 4G 90% of the time when I checked the phone wherever we went.
I travel all the time and I just can't deal with Sprint anymore. Their network, mostly the data aspect of it, is unbearable. Sprints implementation of WiMAX is a joke.
TLDR. So finally, here is my question:
I have 15 months left on my current contract. I have been looking for a way out without the full $350 ETF for the past couple weeks.
I saw this thread, and someone had suggested doing what I planned on doing after reviewing the ETF policies for Sprint: They purchased a basic phone, replaced their smartphone with the basic phone, and cancelled a few weeks later. They claimed it successfully offset their ETF to the lower ETF price of a basic plan.
I have a personal plan with my single line on it.
My plan is the simply unlimited plan.
I have a LG Remarq sitting here with a clean ESN.
I plan on replacing my Epic 4G Touch with the Remarq, changing my plan to a basic $30/mo plan, use it for a week or two, and then call in to cancel service, paying the lower ETF associated with basic phones.
Has anyone else done this with success?
Thanks in advance!

This is a great idea. I will try it out
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I believe the etf is associated with the phone you purchased when you signed the contract, not the phone you are currently using. If you signed a contract without purchasing a subsidized phone you aren't supposed to have an etf. The etf comes from a phone subsidy and is actually prorated (Sprint isnt always forthcoming about this and something charges the full etf unless you bring it up).
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kingsway8605 said:
I believe the etf is associated with the phone you purchased when you signed the contract, not the phone you are currently using. If you signed a contract without purchasing a subsidized phone you aren't supposed to have an etf. The etf comes from a phone subsidy and is actually prorated (Sprint isnt always forthcoming about this and something charges the full etf unless you bring it up).
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Right, this is the part I am worried about.
I figured it might not work as I had hoped since the reason my contract was renewed in May 2012 was due to the upgrade to the Epic 4G touch.
If it isn't going to work, I'll just sell off the Epic 4G Touch to recoupe some of the ETF..
Can't always have it all!

I would like to just say that you complaint about "sprints implementation" is wrong. Wimax is Clearwire implementation and sprint is/was using it for 4g but are abandoning it in favor of FDD-LTE / TDD-LTE (800/1900 & 2500 mhz).
They (clearwire) deployed it wrong and ran out of money in their deployment by trying to go for the blanket coverage which is practically undoable since they were using 2.5ghz/2.6ghz BRS/EBS spectrum which is highly inferior to ATT and Verizons sub ghz (700/850) spectrum.
Furthermore, your account says you live in Miami, FL which is an active Network Vision deployment area which means they're upgrading the backhaul from their crappy T1 (low data speed.. that problem) to fiber / microwave / aav etc and installing "their" implementation of 4g which is LTE-Rel 9 equipment on 1900mhz frequency at every cell site.
Just wanted to inform you on some things before you think sprint has no future and that Vz and ATT will be forever superior. Saturation of Verizons LTE network is coming along with somewhere around 50% of data usage being LTE. This is noticeable nowadays literally everywhere as Verizons 4g LTE speeds are quickly decreasing from the >20 mbps you see from speedtests all the time to somewhere in the 4-10mbps range during peak hours and average. They may have great coverage but what they lack is density because their great coverage comes from a blanket type approach where one tower in a cluster has LTE activated so that it covers other towers around it. This ensures a faster rollout and larger coverage area in a short time frame but will falter under heavy loads. ATT will face this problem as well since they are undertaking the same type of rollout as Verizon.
This is the reason why Verizon and ATT is attempting to quickly utilize AWS spectrum for LTE to relieve the high data demand on their towers. Sprint does not have this problem with LTE 1900 on every tower, LTE 800 (deployment begins when iDen is shut down and 800mhz freq is refarmed), and LTE on the 2.5ghz BRS (Clearwire) for heavy loads in high demand areas such as cities and metros.
Anyways. Good luck in where you go and maybe check back with Sprint later when their NV program is mostly complete nationwide at the end of 2013/ early 2014.

Are you in the retentions department or something?
Who has been the primary shareholder and has had control of Clearwire for the past few years?
Regardless of that, why does it matter who implemented it? My complaint is about the network they are utilizing and making available to their customers. I could care less about the details.
I don't really think any other network is forever superior over another.
In fact, I never even mentioned anything about that..
I'm just noting what I have seen in my Sprint usage over the past 5-6 years ALL throughout the east coast. I used to love Sprint, but with how much I rely on a good data connection now, I can't deal with them.
My Christmas vacation was spent in Dallas. And guess what? Sprint was even worse there than when I am at home in the unobstructed, pancake state of Florida. Everytime I take trips up to Boston and New York for work, my battery drains much more quickly. Not to mention, my coverage is terrible. I've tried all of the radios for this phone. I did the same with the Evo Shift.. same terrible data coverage.
I've moved several times over the past 7 years all throughout the east coast and everywhere I have gone, my service has never been better than it has been here. Voice coverage has always been great for the most part.
My purchase point is a reliable, dependable data connection at this point.
Maybe when Sprint can satisfy my needs and lower their prices a bit I'll come back.. I'n the meantime I will be heading over to VZW for their $80/mo unlimited + 2GB data plan since I never go over 1.5GB anyways. Sure beats the $130 I'm paying now.

element1966 said:
Are you in the retentions department or something?
Who has been the primary shareholder and has had control of Clearwire for the past few years?
Regardless of that, why does it matter who implemented it? My complaint is about the network they are utilizing and making available to their customers. I could care less about the details.
I don't really think any other network is forever superior over another.
In fact, I never even mentioned anything about that..
I'm just noting what I have seen in my Sprint usage over the past 5-6 years ALL throughout the east coast. I used to love Sprint, but with how much I rely on a good data connection now, I can't deal with them.
My Christmas vacation was spent in Dallas. And guess what? Sprint was even worse there than when I am at home in the unobstructed, pancake state of Florida. Everytime I take trips up to Boston and New York for work, my battery drains much more quickly. Not to mention, my coverage is terrible. I've tried all of the radios for this phone. I did the same with the Evo Shift.. same terrible data coverage.
I've moved several times over the past 7 years all throughout the east coast and everywhere I have gone, my service has never been better than it has been here. Voice coverage has always been great for the most part.
My purchase point is a reliable, dependable data connection at this point.
Maybe when Sprint can satisfy my needs and lower their prices a bit I'll come back.. I'n the meantime I will be heading over to VZW for their $80/mo unlimited + 2GB data plan since I never go over 1.5GB anyways. Sure beats the $130 I'm paying now.
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No. I'm not in the retention department nor am I affiliated with sprint. I am someone who went beyond and educated myself in what sprint is doing in the present, past, and future because of the sad state of their current legacy network and data speeds.
To answer your questions.
1. Sprint, although they own a majority share of a little bit over 50% of Clearwire, does not control them. They can surely veto things that they don't like but Clearwire is an independent entity with their own goals and aspirations. They've been "rebellious" in the past and bumped heads with sprints multiple times and is one of the reasons why SoftBank/New Sprint is buying them out. Make sure they don't get any fancy ideas.
Also. You mention the past experiences and how you're unsatisfied with it and that's exactly what I'm saying that Sprint is changing with their Network Vision project by updating their legacy backhaul to modern fiber / mw/ aav.
By the way. I wished you luck in your purchase and never told you to stay with sprint. Every persons need is different but it is always nice to inform people on things.
www.s4gru.com is where I get my information from and good luck with Verizon.

As someone who travels a bit, I am in the same boat. I'm pretty locked in by my family account, though. Sprint's data network is awful right now. I sure hope it gets better.

The one common thing that occurs often with Sprint that I hate the most when I am travelling is when the phone shows locked to 3G and the upload/dowload arrows are lighting up while you are trying to use google maps, the browser, or update your e-mails, and NOTHING happens!
I could be sitting at an intersection trying to figure out where I am on gmaps with 3G or 4G coverage indicated and nothing happening. I'll search for a location, it will act like it has gone through and the "Searching for ...." bubble that grays out the screen will dissappear but nothing else will happen. I'll sit there and restart the phone like a dummy at wits end and the same thing will happen afterwords. I just don't have the time to play these games anymore. I've tried all the radios, roms, prls, you name it. And I have spent plenty of time determining which radios work best for me in the SGS2. But that begs the question; why should I waste my limited free time trying to improve the reliability of my phone on a unreliable network? I've got better ways to spend my time than in constant frustration.
This has happened with my phones on sprint since the Palm Treos through all 3 of the androids I've had. No way can you point fingers at poorly designed radios in the phones. I've done everything I can to deal with the possibility of actual phone issues.. it's not the fault of the phones and I give up.
I'm sure there are plenty of places where sprint is great.. but everywhere I have been along the east coast and to TX recently, it hasn't been reliable enough for me in comparison to other major providers. I am up north and all through the east coast 10-20 times a year. And when I'm not away for work, my daily travels to customers and such can include any destination from central Florida down to the keys. It just never meets my needs wherever I typically go.
I refuse to stick around and twirl my thumbs in anticipation but I hope Sprints new rollout is a game changer for people in my situation.

Sprint just booted me
I called ther customer service enough and told them how far they could shove my account up their A S S that eventually an executive service agent called and told me my account was being canceled with no ETF's. I had to be a pretty big A S S to them, but their customer service was the worst I've ever dealt with.

firemanwill28 said:
I called ther customer service enough and told them how far they could shove my account up their A S S that eventually an executive service agent called and told me my account was being canceled with no ETF's. I had to be a pretty big A S S to them, but their customer service was the worst I've ever dealt with.
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You sound like a real winner. When I have to deal with people like you at work I go out of my way to find a reason to deny their claims. Just cuz you want to feel entitled to something doesn't mean you are, you should have just sucked it up and paid your ETF instead of crying til you got out free. Customers like you are the whole reason sprint posts losses every quarter and cant afford to build their network out fast enough to keep you pissants happy. :thumbdown:
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firemanwill28 said:
I called ther customer service enough and told them how far they could shove my account up their A S S that eventually an executive service agent called and told me my account was being canceled with no ETF's. I had to be a pretty big A S S to them, but their customer service was the worst I've ever dealt with.
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I'm sure.
I already know what I had to go through with the BBB and T-Mobile when I dropped their service after a month and tried to get out without having to pay all sorts of fees. I didn't even have cell service in my condo in the center of downtown Miami when I was living there!
I'd rather not get my blood pressure up again and just easily port my number over without delays.

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You sound like a real winner. When I have to deal with people like you at work I go out of my way to find a reason to deny their claims. Just cuz you want to feel entitled to something doesn't mean you are, you should have just sucked it up and paid your ETF instead of crying til you got out free. Customers like you are the whole reason sprint posts losses every quarter and cant afford to build their network out fast enough to keep you pissants happy. :thumbdown:
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So you stick up for Sprint, who probably pays you less than $20/hr to do their slave work and subjects you to putting up with angry customers all day?
What were you expecting when you started a call center job? An enjoyable career?
Just remember, it's not YOUR fault or problem that an angry customer calls in to ANY cell provider. If you signed the employment contract to handle their customers BS in exchange for money, then that is an unfortunate part of the job, right?
I don't think any of the customers that call in angry are personally angry at you.

element1966 said:
So you stick up for Sprint, who probably pays you less than $20/hr to do their slave work and subjects you to putting up with angry customers all day?
What were you expecting when you started a call center job? An enjoyable career?
Just remember, it's not YOUR fault or problem that an angry customer calls in to ANY cell provider. If you signed the employment contract to handle their customers BS in exchange for money, then that is an unfortunate part of the job, right?
I don't think any of the customers that call in angry are personally angry at you.
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I dont work for sprint genius. And I make way more than $20/hr at my job
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Nothing good will come out of a thread asking about how to get out of the ETF. It is there to help keep subsidized phone prices low and helps all of us. You breaking contract without paying an ETF hurts us.
Also these discussions are not proper for a development site.