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Notice the super sluggish network speed?

Is this Sprint? The last few days everything is so slow. Internet, market just takes eons to load everything.

sprints 3g is horrid. theres a lot about sprint that worries me at the moment. the halting of wimax roll outs, clear is broke, sprint is virtually broke, the chance that sprint goes lte and ceases to deploy wimax to areas that they think dont need it...like my area. what happens to all the evo customers? the epic customers? the shift customers? if they unveil a nexus 4g at ctia, will it be lte or wimax?? i have to drive a long ways to get a poor wimax sig.
thankfully im not under contract.
in my opinion every sprint customer has a lot to contemplate if they dont like being taken advantage of by corporations. personally, i do not and i am but one of thousands joining the class action lawsuit over this $10 'premium data charge'. usually i wouldnt waste my time but i cant watch media on my evo the way it was meant to be viewed, in HQ. sprint refuses to acknowledge that their network is incapable. /EndMinorRant

I feel your pain. Watching videos even on youtube takes a long while to buffer.
In my area a speedtest on 3g (where I know 4g is available but MIUI 4g isnt working) i got .14mbps download .06mbps upload

tailsthecat3 said:
sprints 3g is horrid. theres a lot about sprint that worries me at the moment. the halting of wimax roll outs, clear is broke, sprint is virtually broke, the chance that sprint goes lte and ceases to deploy wimax to areas that they think dont need it...like my area. what happens to all the evo customers? the epic customers? the shift customers? if they unveil a nexus 4g at ctia, will it be lte or wimax?? i have to drive a long ways to get a poor wimax sig.
thankfully im not under contract.
in my opinion every sprint customer has a lot to contemplate if they dont like being taken advantage of by corporations. personally, i do not and i am but one of thousands joining the class action lawsuit over this $10 'premium data charge'. usually i wouldnt waste my time but i cant watch media on my evo the way it was meant to be viewed, in HQ. sprint refuses to acknowledge that their network is incapable. /EndMinorRant
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tlxxxsracer said:
I feel your pain. Watching videos even on youtube takes a long while to buffer.
In my area a speedtest on 3g (where I know 4g is available but MIUI 4g isnt working) i got .14mbps download .06mbps upload
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Yea and on my status bar it says 1x where it usually says 3g in the stock rom. The stock rom lies? This is all to unfair. They say its 3g but its not, that's false advertising. Then they slap that 10 bucks extra for 4g when we don't even have 3g speeds. ABSURD!
Tailsthecat3, I'd like to join this lawsuit, how can I?

myself and everyone i know using sprint has called to complain.
my advice is to call sprint and complain about the slow speeds. file reports with the better business bureau.
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you guys might want to check this out...
I personally called the attorney and I think everyone without 4g service should do the same.
"Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor, Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor, is investigating claims that these charges may be improper.
If you purchased a Sprint EVO 4G or EPIC 4G cellphone, we would like to hear from you so we can investigate whether you incurred this charge, how many customers have been affected, and whether there may be valid legal claims for a refund. Please contact us by responding to this email or by calling us directly at (646) 504-7781.
About Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor
Scott A. Bursor, has represented plaintiffs in class action lawsuits against Sprint and other wireless carriers since 2002. Many of these cases are discussed in detail at Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor.
Contact:
Scott A. Bursor
Email: [email protected]
Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor "
courtesy of PhyscoAssassinx over at ppcgeeks
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i contacted these folk via phone and i got a call back within a couple hours. i advise everyone to do the same.

I seriously doubt Sprint's coming out with LTE smartphones this summer. They've got to deploy their network evolution in order to do that, since it's what's going to allow sprint the flexibility to deploy multiple technologies interchangeably on the same towers. And they'd need to use their own bandwidth (probably in the 1.9 GHz range) to do so, since their 2.5 GHz is invested in clear. The 1.9 GHz spectrum is currently used for CDMA, but network evolution will allow them to move some of that onto the 800-900 MHz that will be vacated by iDEN, as well as make room on 1.9 with more efficient versions of CDMA 1x for voice. until those things start to happen, LTE is totally hypothetical.
and regarding the LTE rollout on Clear, it looks like Sprint and Clear are close to kissing and making up on the issue of wholesale data pricing for smartphones (I saw an article detailing that last week, I believe in the wall Street journal, but maybe elsewhere). That's been the major sticking point between Sprint and Clear, and should pave the way for Sprint to pump some cash into clear and get the ball rolling on more WiMax.
As for Sprint being "nearly broke", that doesn't even warrant a response. If you're really concerned about it, check out the actual numbers from their 2010 10k filing: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/110224/s10-k.html there's nothing that indicates that Sprint is "nearly broke"

I'm outside of Philly and have no problems. My 3g is fast and 4g flies.
I'm getting 1000mbps download on 3g and 7/8mbps 4g
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hercules rockefeller said:
I seriously doubt Sprint's coming out with LTE smartphones this summer. They've got to deploy their network evolution in order to do that, since it's what's going to allow sprint the flexibility to deploy multiple technologies interchangeably on the same towers. And they'd need to use their own bandwidth (probably in the 1.9 GHz range) to do so, since their 2.5 GHz is invested in clear. The 1.9 GHz spectrum is currently used for CDMA, but network evolution will allow them to move some of that onto the 800-900 MHz that will be vacated by iDEN, as well as make room on 1.9 with more efficient versions of CDMA 1x for voice. until those things start to happen, LTE is totally hypothetical.
and regarding the LTE rollout on Clear, it looks like Sprint and Clear are close to kissing and making up on the issue of wholesale data pricing for smartphones (I saw an article detailing that last week, I believe in the wall Street journal, but maybe elsewhere). That's been the major sticking point between Sprint and Clear, and should pave the way for Sprint to pump some cash into clear and get the ball rolling on more WiMax.
As for Sprint being "nearly broke", that doesn't even warrant a response. If you're really concerned about it, check out the actual numbers from their 2010 10k filing: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/110224/s10-k.html there's nothing that indicates that Sprint is "nearly broke"
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excellent info.
i typed that they are virtually broke. not nearly broke. and if the vast subscription losses in the past are anything to go by, sprint is virtually broke(the gains are far less than the losses suffered). no they wont tell you that they have no money but when you see the losses are greater than the gains, in business, youre losing. if you see all the techs stationary, garaged vehicles, not working on or installing technology to roll out more wimax, that tells me that they cant pay, in layman's terms, the workers to work or build wimax stations.
not making this into a thing, it just worries me that wimax isnt gonna be rolled out to heavily populated areas that arent major cities. 23 miles south of boston is massachusetts' south shore. it is an extremely heavily populated area with much commerce...yet, unfortunately there is no wimax to be found.

in southern oregon, testing to a server is kansas
521kbps download
627kbps upload

You should definately look at that site if you think sprint is broke. All the dumb people attacking sprint with a class action law suite only hurt sprints ability to push 4G to you. Because of all the complainers about the $10 add on sprint is now charging it to all smart phone customers (to help offset the cost of the stupid lawsuit they have to deal with, and also to help make the network faster for all you complainers). Now everyone has to pay the $10 for because of the cry babies. Everyone wants things right now, realize if you live in the boondocks it takes longer to get what the city does. If you don't like your slow speeds living in the woods then move, or stop complaining and pay the $10 so your speeds can eventually get better. Or you can always be the prick that is *****ing and moaning when I walk into a store to get my phone fixed because I was the dumbass that bricked it trying to mod this sweet phone.
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SlickJamesBtch said:
You should definately look at that site if you think sprint is broke. All the dumb people attacking sprint with a class action law suite only hurt sprints ability to push 4G to you. Because of all the complainers about the $10 add on sprint is now charging it to all smart phone customers (to help offset the cost of the stupid lawsuit they have to deal with, and also to help make the network faster for all you complainers). Now everyone has to pay the $10 for because of the cry babies. Everyone wants things right now, realize if you live in the boondocks it takes longer to get what the city does. If you don't like your slow speeds living in the woods then move, or stop complaining and pay the $10 so your speeds can eventually get better. Or you can always be the prick that is *****ing and moaning when I walk into a store to get my phone fixed because I was the dumbass that bricked it trying to mod this sweet phone.
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nice job

Thank you
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tailsthecat3 said:
excellent info.
i typed that they are virtually broke. not nearly broke. and if the vast subscription losses in the past are anything to go by, sprint is virtually broke(the gains are far less than the losses suffered). no they wont tell you that they have no money but when you see the losses are greater than the gains, in business, youre losing. if you see all the techs stationary, garaged vehicles, not working on or installing technology to roll out more wimax, that tells me that they cant pay, in layman's terms, the workers to work or build wimax stations.
not making this into a thing, it just worries me that wimax isnt gonna be rolled out to heavily populated areas that arent major cities. 23 miles south of boston is massachusetts' south shore. it is an extremely heavily populated area with much commerce...yet, unfortunately there is no wimax to be found.
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There's a difference between Sprint being broke or not, and the state of the WiMax rollout. Sprint doesn't operate or build the WiMax network, that's Clear. You'll notice I don't argue with your statement that clear is virtually broke (I don't necessarily agree either, but I feel the statement is accurate enough that there's no point splitting hairs). It's no secret that Clear needs immediate cash to fund the WiMax rollout - that's a problem that's plagued every independent wireless start up that's ever tried to roll out a nationwide network. Companies like Verizon or AT&T can use the cash flow that comes from all their other businesses to either directly fund or leverage their network rollouts. Stuff like local phone service or plain old long distance may not have a huge profit margin, and it's certainly isn't as exciting as 4G wireless, but it's great to have on hand when you're making a multi-billion dollar investment that's expected to take years to pay for itself.
Now, the question is: Where is Clear going to get that cash? the most likely source is Sprint, since Sprint owns 54% of Clear to begin with, and has the greatest vested interest in Clear's WiMax rollout. Is Sprint "virtually" or "nearly" broke? I'd be hard pressed to use either word, given that they're embarking on a 4-6 Billion dollar project (Network Evolution). Make no mistake, Sprint's trucks aren't sitting in a garage. Clear's may be, but that's all pending further investment from Sprint.
In fact, I'll go a bit further and venture into purely speculative areas; I say Sprint would ideally like to buy out Clear altogether. I think it was a mistake to divest Sprint's 2.5 GHz bandwidth to begin with, one that was only nessecary due to the Gary Forsee's gross mismanagement of the company in the 2-3 years following the Sprint/Nextel merger. had the company been in better hands then, they could have built out 4G themselves and none of this would have been the issue. If Sprint can get the cash together, I'm sure they'd be in a stronger position owning WiMax outright (and network evolution would make it much, much simpler to integrate clear's network into it's own).

My SpeedTest numbers are consistently at about 300 kbps during peak hours and about 1 mbps during none peak hours.
I am in the hinterland so I do not have any idea what 4G is like.

My 3G has been slow in san francisco =[

SlickJamesBtch said:
You should definately look at that site if you think sprint is broke. All the dumb people attacking sprint with a class action law suite only hurt sprints ability to push 4G to you. Because of all the complainers about the $10 add on sprint is now charging it to all smart phone customers (to help offset the cost of the stupid lawsuit they have to deal with, and also to help make the network faster for all you complainers). Now everyone has to pay the $10 for because of the cry babies. Everyone wants things right now, realize if you live in the boondocks it takes longer to get what the city does. If you don't like your slow speeds living in the woods then move, or stop complaining and pay the $10 so your speeds can eventually get better. Or you can always be the prick that is *****ing and moaning when I walk into a store to get my phone fixed because I was the dumbass that bricked it trying to mod this sweet phone.
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I just got this phone. The stock rom said 3g on the stays bar but it wasn't. I never have bricked a phone, I find it quite hard to do so lol so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong put didn't sprint charge that 10 bones fro evo customers from the start? Way before people started complaining? Its nonsense. There is no way it makes any sense to charge 10 bucks for 4g when you don't even get 3g speeds. Its the definition of unfair. They could simply only charge 10 bucks to areas that get 4g. And when an area gets 4g, than start charging those customers in that area. Its completely logical...in my opinion. And about the woods...seriously the all the assuming is moronic(in my opinion) I live in Oregon Ohio and most of the time I'm in downtown Toledo. No woods just a very urban area. Last but not least, if I'm getting charged 10 bucks for 4g when I don't even get 2g speeds, then I'LLL ***** ALL I WANT. I deserve to. Disagree? That's literally wasting my hard earn money I work for. Right?
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Sprint never charged $10 for 4G on the EVO, not since day one. The $10 fee was for both 3G and 4G. the reasoning was, a phone like the evo is going to get more use on either network, and the end user is going to get more value out of it. something like navigation, which works fine on 3G, is more valuable to you on a 4.3" screen becuase you can see it while you're driving. And all the various widgets and apps that use data in the background run better on a 1GHz processor.
but whether you buy that or not, the reason why Sprint charged the $10 fee for the EVO and EPIC then is the same reason why they charge it to all smartphones now (and really, the reason why anybody charges anyone else anything): because they CAN. If nobody wanted to pay the fee, and the EVO bombed, they'd have dropped it like a hot potato. But obviously enough people thought that overall value was good enough to pay for it, so they didn't. It's the same reason why Verizon's going to tiered data pricing this summer; most people won't mind it. If they start flocking to sprint for unlimited data, you can bet Verizon will raise their prices $10 and offer unlimited data.
As for *****ing about network speeds though, don't let me stop you there. whether you pay $10 extra or not it's your right as a consumer to ***** and moan. Personally I'm getting 2Mbps down on 3g every morning, but by 9 am or so it drops to less than 500Kbps, which is a pain in the neck IMO.

hercules rockefeller said:
Sprint never charged $10 for 4G on the EVO, not since day one. The $10 fee was for both 3G and 4G. the reasoning was, a phone like the evo is going to get more use on either network, and the end user is going to get more value out of it. something like navigation, which works fine on 3G, is more valuable to you on a 4.3" screen becuase you can see it while you're driving. And all the various widgets and apps that use data in the background run better on a 1GHz processor.
but whether you buy that or not, the reason why Sprint charged the $10 fee for the EVO and EPIC then is the same reason why they charge it to all smartphones now (and really, the reason why anybody charges anyone else anything): because they CAN. If nobody wanted to pay the fee, and the EVO bombed, they'd have dropped it like a hot potato. But obviously enough people thought that overall value was good enough to pay for it, so they didn't. It's the same reason why Verizon's going to tiered data pricing this summer; most people won't mind it. If they start flocking to sprint for unlimited data, you can bet Verizon will raise their prices $10 and offer unlimited data.
As for *****ing about network speeds though, don't let me stop you there. whether you pay $10 extra or not it's your right as a consumer to ***** and moan. Personally I'm getting 2Mbps down on 3g every morning, but by 9 am or so it drops to less than 500Kbps, which is a pain in the neck IMO.
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for the convenience of a 4.3" screen and 1GHz processor, you're buying an expensive phone with those specs (subsidized by your contract). for your 5GB/unlimited data you're paying a monthly data plan fee. the $10 premium data fee makes no sense in light of those facts. now it's for all smart phones (even non-4g), and sprint still isnt calling it what it is: an increase in data plan pricing. they just rolled it out for the evo to begin with because sprint customers were dying for a great android/4g phone and they could slip it in there relatively unnoticed.
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hercules rockefeller said:
Sprint never charged $10 for 4G on the EVO, not since day one. The $10 fee was for both 3G and 4G. the reasoning was, a phone like the evo is going to get more use on either network, and the end user is going to get more value out of it. something like navigation, which works fine on 3G, is more valuable to you on a 4.3" screen becuase you can see it while you're driving. And all the various widgets and apps that use data in the background run better on a 1GHz processor.
but whether you buy that or not, the reason why Sprint charged the $10 fee for the EVO and EPIC then is the same reason why they charge it to all smartphones now (and really, the reason why anybody charges anyone else anything): because they CAN. If nobody wanted to pay the fee, and the EVO bombed, they'd have dropped it like a hot potato. But obviously enough people thought that overall value was good enough to pay for it, so they didn't. It's the same reason why Verizon's going to tiered data pricing this summer; most people won't mind it. If they start flocking to sprint for unlimited data, you can bet Verizon will raise their prices $10 and offer unlimited data.
As for *****ing about network speeds though, don't let me stop you there. whether you pay $10 extra or not it's your right as a consumer to ***** and moan. Personally I'm getting 2Mbps down on 3g every morning, but by 9 am or so it drops to less than 500Kbps, which is a pain in the neck IMO.
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For sure. Valid point. I'm just really bummed now because i just got this phone. I previously had the hero and I notice no difference with performance. Besides angry birds not being choppy... I wanted a better browsing experience and better video experience. I haven't even got to watch an HD video yet, because they wont load. It takes soooo long to download 1 thing at the market. Its bizarre. Plus the 720 HD recording ..I haven't seen that yet.
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augoza said:
I just got this phone. The stock rom said 3g on the stays bar but it wasn't. I never have bricked a phone, I find it quite hard to do so lol so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong put didn't sprint charge that 10 bones fro evo customers from the start? Way before people started complaining? Its nonsense. There is no way it makes any sense to charge 10 bucks for 4g when you don't even get 3g speeds. Its the definition of unfair. They could simply only charge 10 bucks to areas that get 4g. And when an area gets 4g, than start charging those customers in that area. Its completely logical...in my opinion. And about the woods...seriously the all the assuming is moronic(in my opinion) I live in Oregon Ohio and most of the time I'm in downtown Toledo. No woods just a very urban area. Last but not least, if I'm getting charged 10 bucks for 4g when I don't even get 2g speeds, then I'LLL ***** ALL I WANT. I deserve to. Disagree? That's literally wasting my hard earn money I work for. Right?
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ive had a few evo's. on my second or third, in epst, my evdo mode was set to CDMA only. out of the box! needless to say, that particular device was returned because of other issues but i found that odd. figured id mention it because like you stated, my display read 3G but it was running 1X.

Is T-Mobile the devil?

I have recently been thinking about switching over to t-mo from sprint, but it seems everywhere i look and everyone i talk to says they are really bad.
their value plans seem great and they have a nice selection of phones, so i'm really torn.
so, mighty t-mobile subscribers, mind sharing your opinions? experiences?

I can't complain, I'm really happy with T-Mobile. Im with them for 4 years now, never had any type of problems. Won't be switching anytime soon.
Do the switch, you won't regret it.
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I love T-mobile the speeds and coverage are great in Arizona. The only thing that is a drag is the data caps. But even when you reach the cap you can still use internet albeit at edge speeds. Other than that you won't regret it. The caps have different price ranges. 100mb, 2gb, 5 gb, and 10gb.

I switched from att and won't go back . I guess it's all in who you talk to . Someone with great coverage will say they rock . Someone with bad coverage will say that they suck .
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I love Tmobile, I've been with them since Voice Stream, and they haven't done anything to me. Coverage is pretty good in my areas too.

been on tmo for about 3 yrs and cant say i have much negativity to speak customer service is good, plan prices are great and probably has the best android phone selection out, I do see you're in fl like me so to be honest for coverage it depends on where you're at my worst reception has probably been in ocala would have 0 bars in some areas but would walk a few steps n have full bars but the great thing about tmo has been the wifi calling option which i so hope to god they hurry and update it to this phone fast, that's in case you don't have a strong signal but do have internet wifi where you are it'll switch and use the wifi signal instead of you're weak carrier signal

i love them because there affordable and pretty much everything else is great too.

Over a decade here and the only problem will be if AT$T is allowed to buy them out.
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I switched to T-Mo from Sprint too & I don't regret it. I do sometimes miss being on my mom's family plan & only having a $45 phone bill every month, but my data speeds on T-Mo are at least 10 times faster and I get MUCH better signal almost everywhere I go so it's worth it. I also underestimated the convenience of switching phones with a mere sim swap, and I can't say a SINGLE bad thing about T-Mo's customer service either. Every time I call I get an english-speaker who is polite & helpful, and who doesn't feel the need to call me by my first name all the time or waste time thanking me profusely after every sentence. With Sprint, half of the reps were rude, and the other half were either completely clueless or else they had such unintelligible accents that I was better off going to a store if I had a problem. The only bad thing about T-Mo is the data caps, but I've heard you can get around those by using a different APN(which seems to be working so far, and I guess I'll find out for sure if I get throttled this month). Sprint does have unlimited data, but its SO s l o w...
But- it all depends which service is best in your area.

I switched from T-Mobile (after like 7 or 8 years) being with them to goto Sprint to get the Evo 3D. Was the biggest mistake I ever made. T-Mobile was always willing to subsidize me a phone every year with customer loyalty. Sprint had 25kbish download in 90% of my area, they tore up me and my wife's contract after being with then for about 1 1/2 months. Came back to T-mobile, and couldn't be happier!

Sprint's data network is garbage, and the company itself is far more evil than T-Mobile.. look at their past practices. Getting rid of the Premier program. Offering unlimited under their prepaid brands at really low prices only to cap it and raise the prices later. $10 bogus premium data fee. etc. SLOW 3G, lies about 4G WiMAX being their choice over LTE.. we all knew WiMAX was going the wayside and now it finally has.

I have had all tge major carriers in the past 3 years and tmobile is definitely the best for me here in buffalo. Its cheap. Their data is actually fast unlike sprint and verizon (sprint 3g speeds are a joke and so is wimax).
Also even after tge merger was abnounced, they keep building new towers and expanding their network
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T-Mobile is great man. I've been with them 9yrs already and feel im treated fair. I'd like cheaper prices, but this is America, land of the fee, home of the slave.
Deebo took your bike too?

7 years here, and no real complaints. I've lived in major cities the whole time, so coverage has been fine. I do notice that it can be more spotty in rural areas, but not so much as to frustrate me. And the prices are great.
Look into the Value plans. You don't get a "subsidized" price on the phone (so you end up paying full retail, though it can be split up over many, many months), but even then, because Value plans are $20 less per month than Classic plans (which "subsidize" the phone price), you still pay less per month with the Value plan and end up saving overall in the long run. (I put "subsidize" in quotes because this system makes it transparent that with standard plans, you're not really getting the phone for cheaper... the company just takes it out of you piece by piece each month).
For some reason, this concept is difficult for some people to grasp (think average not-so-bright customer who you often see paying their bill in the t-mo store), and they just think it's ridiculous to pay retail for the phone, even in divided payments. I encourage anyone looking at starting a new plan on T-mo or renewing a contract to take 2 minutes and calculate your total cost over contract with each plan.

stick with Sprint and use the employee discount. $109 for family plan and $10 premium for smartphones

I had a great plan with sprint. 3 free landline #'s unlimited, 25% discount, and unlimited text data, 750 minutes and 200 extra bonus minutes.
I still decided to leave them this month because they suck that much. I was with sprint for 7 years. They just have crappy service. The data was never good since the Evo dropped. I used to get 2mb down and lately I was getting less than 50k download. They weren't willing to fess up on why this was happening and kept saying I should be getting bad service. I also noticed that where ever I went, I never had good service and my battery would drain because it was barely holding on to the connection with the towers. I have had every one of sprints smartphones and although they have a good lineup. Service is just not good and data is the worst I have expereinced other than Metro PCS which is 1x. I recently moved and went from bad service to horrible service. I couldn't get calls and my data would time out due to being so slow. Called sprint to see if they would cancel me and they said NO and you have to pay a cancellation fee. I gladly did and not looking back. It's great over here with t-mobile. Data is capped but it's fast and reliable.
Sprint is also going to take away unlimited broadband. It's just a matter of time for their crappy data service to be throttled also. Check out their Iphone forums and see the amount of complaints regarding data. 60+ pages of complaints. The iphone is going to make a already hurting service and just destroy it.

I switched from Tmobile to sprint because my contact was over and my wife was on sprint. we had nothing but problems. So we ended or context and switched back to Tmobile. Not a single problem since.Tmobile is not the devil, sprint is.
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I just recently switched to T-Mobile from sprint and I don't regret it. The data speeds were way too slow for me on Sprint and I was using the Epic 4G touch. Switched to the vibrant till the Galaxy Nexus hits T-Mobile and I'm happy
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Like other people said it all depends on tmobiles coverage in your area. If u have hspa+ in ur area be prepared for data speeds u have never seen on sprint i have been with tmo for 9 yrs and have never considered leaving. Imo tmo for the price is the best and until something changes i will remain a tmo customer.
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I have been with them for 7+ years and never a problem. Customer service is always willing to work with me. It will suck if the merger goes thru with ATT.

Should I move back to Verizon for Android 4.0?

I moved from Verizon to Sprint because of
1) price
2) unlimited data, talk...
3) Samsung Galaxy SII
1) Well, let's say price is ok, unlimited usage is good, but the internet is not as good as Verizon, so I don't use it too much
2) I don't care if I have unlimited everything if the connection is not reliable.
It's BETTER than T-Mobile though (T-Mobile sucks so bad), but it's nowhere NEAR as good as Verizon
3) Phone SUCKS. Today is the first day I FINALLY was able to
a) root phone
b) Fix the signal issue
I went to Sprint and they offered me $100 credit so I can stay with them, and now my phone is fixed, so in theory I feel like giving them another try
With Verizon, the bill was expensive, I do remember in my family, we paid $260 for 1 smartphone and two simple phones, that's ridiculous
Anyway, if I move by myself to Verizon in order to have the Ice Cream Sandwich phone,
1) Is the 2X data offer from Verizon a good offer to come back to the big red?
2) Any chance I can root the phone and not pay for tethering on Verizon?
3) Is that phone a SUPER PHONE that really deserves all the hassle
To be honest, I really like my Samsung, and now that I fixed the loss of signal error (hopefully, first day after I upgraded), I kind of want to use my phone for a while
I really like the phone itself, but again, I have no idea if the other phone is better than mine, and if it is, how much better?

If Verizon still had unlimited data plans and you have the money for that bill, I would say go to Verizon. LTE is awesome! If I ever went to Verizon now, it would be for a non smartphone and I just wanted good phone service/signal. You'll definitely get faster data speeds on Verizon but having a 2GB cap is painful. And with LTE, you're bound to reach the cap faster unless your consistently on wi-fi. Tethering would just hit your data cap even faster. Unless you plan to get a more expensive plan than 2GB ($30 per month). I mean if money isn't an issue I would choose Verizon. But I got a family to feed and I'm good with Epic Touch on Sprint's unlimited data. I happen to get 4G at home and at work. The 3G isn't slow on my phone but it's not special either.
I read that Sprint is planning LTE in the future. We'll just have to see! If they do switch to LTE and KEEP their UNLIMITED DATA & don't jack up prices on the plans, they will get more people coming to Sprint over other carriers.

What phone sucks? If you are referring to the et4g then yeah go get bent by Verizon. This RIG rocks. Also the G nex only has 16GB internal no sd card slot. Wtf I would fill that in about ten minutes. Geesh is ICS that important.

Noo the galaxy nexus has 32g. If u live in a 4g area I say go for it. But then again how much is 4gigs when ur blazing 4g speeds good thing the galaxy nexus has that data limiter! !
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I also read that Sprint will begin rolling out a TD-LTE network next year...supposedly it should be faster than standard LTE so i will be sicking around for It
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If Verizon still had unlimited data plans and you have the money for that bill, I would say go to Verizon. LTE is awesome! If I ever went to Verizon now, it would be for a non smartphone and I just wanted good phone service/signal. You'll definitely get faster data speeds on Verizon but having a 2GB cap is painful. And with LTE, you're bound to reach the cap faster unless your consistently on wi-fi. Tethering would just hit your data cap even faster. Unless you plan to get a more expensive plan than 2GB ($30 per month). I mean if money isn't an issue I would choose Verizon. But I got a family to feed and I'm good with Epic Touch on Sprint's unlimited data. I happen to get 4G at home and at work. The 3G isn't slow on my phone but it's not special either.
I read that Sprint is planning LTE in the future. We'll just have to see! If they do switch to LTE and KEEP their UNLIMITED DATA & don't jack up prices on the plans, they will get more people coming to Sprint over other carriers.
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I love it, sprint is rolling out faster LTE. lol when I hear fanboy comments. That's not a good justification that sprint "will" have LTE. I USED to be a sprint customer, I used it along with my Verizon, then after about 10 days I realized what a mistake I made. At least in my area, 3G was painfully slow, no 4G in sight, and just a bad experience. Idk why sprint went with wimax and how they failed so badly. At the time it was a decent move as it is SOMEWHAT faster than 3G, but still not even as fast as T-Mobile's synthetic 4G. With that said if u want to be able to see INSANE speeds I would make the move back to VZW. I know ill get the whole "pics or it didn't happen" but Verizon can pull 40+MB/s down and up to 50 at time ls and I've seen 20 up. These aren't flukes, it can be replicated. Several times over. I know the argument that sprint has unlimited 4G, but what good is that when its on a network(WiMax) that will be useless in the next 18 months? Agreeing with and above poster it will be insanely easy to blow thru 4GB(assuming vzw still has double the data promo) on VZW bc it downloads stuff so fast that u won't hesitate to download that 1GB or larger file. If u have no regards for money, by all means Verizon is your best bet. By the end of 2013 vzw will have 4G in places that sprint, tmo l, or att have rarely had 3G. I have traveled across the entire US, several times from the east coast to the west and it does happen, but is very rare that vzw loses service. Rarely is 3G even lost. I was a bit harsh earlier on sprint, as they are a solid wireless provider but the term in this particular place "u get what u pay for" applies. At least in the case of Verizon. As I stated earlier in my post. If u have the Money, search the forums BC there are still a few loopholes to find unlimited on vzw, it is worth every penny u can throw at it.
With that said, I'm about 20 miles outside of a 4G area so I don't use it daily. However, I use it enough to know how good it is. Obviously I'm typing this from the dinc2, which isn't 4g. But the bionic is.
Before I commit to leaving 4G on all the time they are gonna have to finish the next Gen of lte radios BC the battery life on all 4G phones(vzw or not) leaves something to be desired.
Lastly, I do not agree that the E4GT sucks. IMHO its the best out of the entire GS2 line.
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Obviously I'm typing this from the dinc2, which isn't 4g. But the bionic is.
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You must not have heard all the complaints about the Bionic.
Never change companies for a phone or OS. What's hot today is next weeks crap. You change because a company serves your area better.

newalker91 said:
What I'm kind of wondering is why are you posting in the Sprint Epic 4g Touch forum when you're so biased against Sprint while also using an Incredible 2 on Verizon? Regardless, your prerogative.
Anyways, one of my techs has been asking me this exact question for days now as he wants the Galaxy Nexus. I'll tell you exactly what I told him.
First off, you're going to be spending a lot more money per month on Verizon's plan to begin with, that's less money down the road for a better device when the one you're currently using becomes outdated. Yes, I've used LTE, and dear god it is fast and nice. Through all appropriate channels, though, you can only get a maximum of 4GB cap at the standard $30 data price. This cap can be blasted past within minutes, not weeks, not days, not even hours. While the rebuttal may be "Well I'm always within WiFi range anyways, so I wouldn't need to use my LTE," that's fine and dandy. If that's the case, then why are you switching? Use the WiFi now and boost the data speeds you continue to complain about. These times are getting to be the "I want" and no longer the "I need" generation as everything we might "need" can be done without issue on the 3G network, we just want to do it faster. Patience is a virtue, and it will pay off. Sprint, regardless of what the haters say, is rolling out an LTE network. It will serve its purpose. Staying with it will secure you your unlimited data, 20 month upgrades and build you tenure with the carrier. They are much more likely to assist you in the future if they see you stuck with them through rough times instead of bouncing around carriers with every new gadget that hits the market. The devices on Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile really do not even justify making the switch. Our Epic 4G Touch matches and/or blows their specs away, including the Galaxy Nexus. Its camera is a slight bit improved, screen has a little bit better contrast and DPI (which we have workarounds to compare with it), but everything else is on par with one another. Keep in mind we have a wonderful group of developers supporting this phone that will be providing us with ICS quickly while adding in their unique flavors to enhance an already spectacular experience on our phones. This is the way of XDA.
If things are absolutely terrible and you have no Sprint coverage where you are, then making the move might be a good option. Otherwise, you're more likely to benefit from riding it out for another year.
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This was 1 helluva ****in answer!!!! I could'nt have said it any better. Besides, while they're chasin that Galaxy Nexus, Sprint will have it too soon enough.

Verizon will never get love from me. 10-20 dollar text messaging plans are a scam... period
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newalker91 said:
What I'm kind of wondering is why are you posting in the Sprint Epic 4g Touch forum when you're so biased against Sprint while also using an Incredible 2 on Verizon? Regardless, your prerogative.
Anyways, one of my techs has been asking me this exact question for days now as he wants the Galaxy Nexus. I'll tell you exactly what I told him.
First off, you're going to be spending a lot more money per month on Verizon's plan to begin with, that's less money down the road for a better device when the one you're currently using becomes outdated. Yes, I've used LTE, and dear god it is fast and nice. Through all appropriate channels, though, you can only get a maximum of 4GB cap at the standard $30 data price. This cap can be blasted past within minutes, not weeks, not days, not even hours. While the rebuttal may be "Well I'm always within WiFi range anyways, so I wouldn't need to use my LTE," that's fine and dandy. If that's the case, then why are you switching? Use the WiFi now and boost the data speeds you continue to complain about. These times are getting to be the "I want" and no longer the "I need" generation as everything we might "need" can be done without issue on the 3G network, we just want to do it faster. Patience is a virtue, and it will pay off. Sprint, regardless of what the haters say, is rolling out an LTE network. It will serve its purpose. Staying with it will secure you your unlimited data, 20 month upgrades and build you tenure with the carrier. They are much more likely to assist you in the future if they see you stuck with them through rough times instead of bouncing around carriers with every new gadget that hits the market. The devices on Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile really do not even justify making the switch. Our Epic 4G Touch matches and/or blows their specs away, including the Galaxy Nexus. Its camera is a slight bit improved, screen has a little bit better contrast and DPI (which we have workarounds to compare with it), but everything else is on par with one another. Keep in mind we have a wonderful group of developers supporting this phone that will be providing us with ICS quickly while adding in their unique flavors to enhance an already spectacular experience on our phones. This is the way of XDA.
If things are absolutely terrible and you have no Sprint coverage where you are, then making the move might be a good option. Otherwise, you're more likely to benefit from riding it out for another year.
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Well said, I left Verizon for Sprint, because of the amazingly piss poor customer service (curiously when I was porting my number they finally treated me pretty well).
Their data speeds were fast but I never got anywhere near 40 MB/s down, for me it was always still faster to use wifi whenever possible. And, the phones I had (Droid X, Thunderbolt) generally sucked.
When you factor all that in with the higher prices my decision was an easy one. However, only you can make the decision that is right for you, best of luck either way.

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What phone sucks? If you are referring to the et4g then yeah go get bent by Verizon. This RIG rocks. Also the G nex only has 16GB internal no sd card slot. Wtf I would fill that in about ten minutes. Geesh is ICS that important.
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dude it rocks now, December 15th
it's been a sucky phone for the last two months, EVERY SINGLE DAY I have to reboot it
Loss of signal

Ok, here are a few things I have in mind
1) Nobody mentioned if I can have free tethering at Verizon
2) what about LCD Root?
I have that program in my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch and man the screen in my phone is the best screen I've EVER had EVER
I love my phone, now with the loss of service fixed, FINALLY I have a nice Samsung Galaxy S II
But part of me thinks, man, I've been waiting for SG II since April 2011.
Maybe this month I can go to Verizon and get a nice phone that will serve me well for 2012?
I already waited way way way too much for SGII
I am going to see how much it costs to go back to Verizon, I suppose that if I can tether for free, with root, hack, whatever, then that would make me change in no time
What I don't like about Verizon is the plans.
WIth Sprint I can talk 10 hours per day, no problem
with Verizon I think unlimited costs $79 and data costs $30, insurance $10, txt $20... keep adding and adding you're talking about $130-$150 for unlimited everything (and still it's not unlimited because of 4GB Data Cap)
With Sprint I do like the fact that it's really unlimited, and it's cheap
But I just feel that SGII was a phone for 2011
Samsung Nexus is the phone for 2012
So I might as well switch now that the device is ready
Anyone agrees?

Edit: here's a detailed break down I read about the text plan, smh.
You can spend $25 for 2GB of mobile data which they claim ends up being about 80MB per dollar which then translates to 500,000 text messages each 160 characters long. We’ll bet you seldom hit the 160 character mark which makes this even worse. Now take that dollar and divide it by the number of texts and each one probably costs $0.000002 or two ten thousandths of a cent. That isn’t very much. If you send 5,000 texts in month then those texts cost about $0.01 – a penny.
Point proven...
PLUS a 30 dollar data plan?
Go ahead, go on down that road...
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Don't use too much of that fast lte or you will go over your data cap.
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How fast would 2GB go if you wanted to flash Cyanogen nightlies right to your phone?
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motorsports601 said:
Noo the galaxy nexus has 32g. If u live in a 4g area I say go for it. But then again how much is 4gigs when ur blazing 4g speeds good thing the galaxy nexus has that data limiter! !
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Lol, where did you hear it has 32gb?? I hope you're not getting it because you will only walk away said with only 16gb.
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How fast would 2GB go if you wanted to flash Cyanogen nightlies right to your phone?
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I couldn't even download all of my google music library
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rafarataneneces said:
Ok, here are a few things I have in mind
But I just feel that SGII was a phone for 2011
Samsung Nexus is the phone for 2012
So I might as well switch now that the device is ready
Anyone agrees?
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I disagree. Honestly? There isn't that much difference in performance between the SGS II and the Galaxy Nexus. The biggest difference really is ICS, and, hopefully, it won't be too terribly long before we with the E4GT have ICS. That, and a higher DPI screen, which is marginally larger (0.15").
I know that I have never been doing something on my E4GT and been cursing my phone for being slow and laggy. The only thing that is slow is the network, and that's mostly because I live in an area where about half the time, I only have 1x, and not 3g. Granted, the 3g isn't as fast as verizon, but for me, it's acceptable. Even when it's clocked down to 800 mHz (which mine does below 50% battery) it still flies. I changed to the E4GT because it was a big step up from the OG Epic. That big step simply does not exist from the E4GT to the Galaxy Nexus.

No i disagree.
1.The phone will come to other carriers.
2. $50 dollars more a month really worth it for the new "phone" Thats 600 the first year.

I'm thinking about doing the same jumping ship to Verizon to get the Galaxy Nexus. I have no kids and a good job. Also I can get a 22% monthly corporate discount and 25% of accessories too. I was thinking about the 10gb(don't even use 3gb a month) for $50. I can get rid of my home internet and tether off that phone. If y'all had the opportunity to do this switch, would you do it?

[Q] After your contract is up...will you be staying on Sprint??

My Contract is up in January. And I don't believe i'm staying with Sprint. I pay only $82 with my employee discount and I like the whole "Unlimited" but I feel as if with the whole slow data and never getting a chance to experience "4G", on my Epic 4G, I may change to T-Mobile or its MVNO "Simple Mobile"
What about you guys?
Edit: I believe I posted this in the wrong section if it fits in the General Discussion threads can someone move it their or if it's fine here then ok lol. Just don't want people flaming me

Phantomg93 said:
My Contract is up in January. And I don't believe i'm staying with Sprint. I pay only $82 with my employee discount and I like the whole "Unlimited" but I feel as if with the whole slow data and never getting a chance to experience "4G", on my Epic 4G, I may change to T-Mobile or its MVNO "Simple Mobile"
What about you guys?
Edit: I believe I posted this in the wrong section if it fits in the General Discussion threads can someone move it their or if it's fine here then ok lol. Just don't want people flaming me
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Its a question but at the same time its more of a discussion to talk about so I think its fine here, but honestly if I change cariers id be paying 200 +, and right now I'm at 196 for 3 lines, with tep for every line, and 1400 shared mins.
And I don't care for 4g I don't rely on it. If I need **** done that fast I have it done before I'm on the road. And wherever I go 3g doesn't take so long so I'm good and if it is so what I'm saving money
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XxLostSoulxX said:
Its a question but at the same time its more of a discussion to talk about so I think its fine here, but honestly if I change cariers id be paying 200 +, and right now I'm at 196 for 3 lines, with tep for every line, and 1400 shared mins.
And I don't care for 4g I don't rely on it. If I need **** done that fast I have it done before I'm on the road. And wherever I go 3g doesn't take so long so I'm good and if it is so what I'm saving money
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Yeah I see in your situation staying seems the good option and I don't need 4G either but I wish I could personally see how fast it is compared to 3G you know. And where I live I don't get that great signal nor speeds. I always feel like im on edge with my usual 200kbps down lol

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the whole slow data
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Have you considered getting the Sprint AIRAVE ? You could get it for free if you're speeds are terrible (as wth the rest of us) http://now.sprint.com/airave/?id16=airave

Jbluna said:
Have you considered getting the Sprint AIRAVE ? You could get it for free if you're speeds are terrible (as wth the rest of us) http://now.sprint.com/airave/?id16=airave
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Had no idea they even had that. But if my data outside around my area sucks, would this change anything really?

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Had no idea they even had that. But if my data outside around my area sucks, would this change anything really?
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Nope only works in your house lol I have one its works through out my entire house and my house is pretty big. I would recommend it if your signal sucks at home.
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CrfEpic4g said:
Nope only works in your house lol I have one its works through out my entire house and my house is pretty big. I would recommend it if your signal sucks at home.
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Oh neh my signal inside is actually the same outside as well, except in the basement of course. I honestly can say i've probably seen my Epic hit 1.5mbps down less than 10 times since 5months ago when I downloaded the speedtest app. It's a fun app

Honestly by the time that Jan rolls around i'm sure youll have a different opionion of Sprint.
I'm one of the biggest Sprint haters there are (i've had them since my original SERO plan though, but i also keep my T-Mobile line as well - both have their ups and downs)
to be honest, Sprint has been getting a lot better lately (it seems like they just flipped something here in Phoenix about two weeks ago), as i went from .2 down to 1.2Mbps down pretty much everywhere i go, and the whole WiMax "4G" thing, just get an LTE phone and you'll get way better "4G" than the epic could ever handle anyway.
Some people are randomly reporting 4G LTE on their Evo LTE phones and i've seen results as high as 42Mbps posted around, so that's what i'd be looking forward too if i were you

yes

I love sprint. verizon may be faster, but sprint is way cheaper unless you get some kind of discount with verizon. I don't need blazing fast speeds, my wifi takes care of that!

I was THIS close to ditching Sprint. Even called and put in a request to cancel, opened service with T-Mobile, bought an HTC One S... but T-Mobile's coverage just wasn't good enough. Undid everything (the Sprint cancellation hadn't gone through yet), returned the One S, canceled T-Mobile.
I am out of contract but my wife is still under contract until September. At that point we will move on to another carrier. The thing about Sprint is despite their offering more for the same cost as the other carriers, they also don't have any option of paying less to get less-inclusive service. Say I want to save money by ditching the texting plan and using Google Voice instead, or maybe I don't need 1500 minutes and I'd rather save some dosh by reducing that number. Those are options on the other carriers but not Sprint.
Not that Sprint is a bad price for what you get, but you can save $20-$50/mo on the other carriers. That combined with the slow data has me wanting to move elsewhere. Wish T-Mobile had worked out because they're by far the cheapest, but now it's looking like Verizon. Only problem with them is their love of locked down Motorola phones. But their LTE coverage is awesome, they have LTE at my parents' house (where I get 1 bar on Sprint and no coverage at all on T-Mobile).

Mama Luigi said:
I was THIS close to ditching Sprint. Even called and put in a request to cancel, opened service with T-Mobile, bought an HTC One S... but T-Mobile's coverage just wasn't good enough. Undid everything (the Sprint cancellation hadn't gone through yet), returned the One S, canceled T-Mobile.
I am out of contract but my wife is still under contract until September. At that point we will move on to another carrier. The thing about Sprint is despite their offering more for the same cost as the other carriers, they also don't have any option of paying less to get less-inclusive service. Say I want to save money by ditching the texting plan and using Google Voice instead, or maybe I don't need 1500 minutes and I'd rather save some dosh by reducing that number. Those are options on the other carriers but not Sprint.
Not that Sprint is a bad price for what you get, but you can save $20-$50/mo on the other carriers. That combined with the slow data has me wanting to move elsewhere. Wish T-Mobile had worked out because they're by far the cheapest, but now it's looking like Verizon. Only problem with them is their love of locked down Motorola phones. But their LTE coverage is awesome, they have LTE at my parents' house (where I get 1 bar on Sprint and no coverage at all on T-Mobile).
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Your not very great at making decisions before you pursue them do you?
I mean you just dont go and sign up with another carrier and buying a phone without knowing how their service is, etc... and you hadn't even completed the cancelation process with sprint.
And you too can lower your plan by shared minutes and other things...
Dude you have the choice of 700,1400, or 2.... or unlimited shared minutes.
And at my grandparents place its the same 1 bar but who cares it still works decent and uh did we forget about WiFi? haha.
Coverage isn't the ultimate ground breaking deal factor into choosing a carrier, yes its a factor but if its decent its fine by most people's standard it is.
And No matter who i go to besides Sprint my bill with 3 lines and everything unlimited except shared minutes is above 200+ and i have a 20%+ discount depending on the carrier.

XxLostSoulxX said:
Your not very great at making decisions before you pursue them do you?
I mean you just dont go and sign up with another carrier and buying a phone without knowing how their service is, etc... and you hadn't even completed the cancelation process with sprint.
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I was trying it out. My contract is up (my wife's isn't) so I figured why not give T-Mobile a shot. If I like them I'll leave Sprint. If not, that's why there's a 14-day grace period. Loved the phone of course. The coverage just wasn't quite there. I specifically chose this past weekend because I was traveling a lot and I wanted to see how my service was in various places.
I knew from the outset that I would be roaming with T-Mobile most of the time. They don't have native coverage in central and eastern Wisconsin. I can deal with it, but the thing is once my wife's contract is up with Sprint she's going to hop on whatever provider I have, and she didn't want to be stuck on T-Mobile. So that's why I got rid of it.
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And you too can lower your plan by shared minutes and other things...
Dude you have the choice of 700,1400, or 2.... or unlimited shared minutes.
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I'm already on Sprint's lowest minute plan and I can't go any lower. 1500 shared minutes on a family plan is about 1000 more than we use each month. Not saying more minutes is a bad thing, just that I can't save any money by dropping to a lower plan.
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And at my grandparents place its the same 1 bar but who cares it still works decent and uh did we forget about WiFi? haha.
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Yeah my in-laws and parents both have wifi, so of course everything works at their houses. Then again, I feel that if I'm paying over $100 every month for phone service, I should have a phone that works everywhere. Beyond that, I'd rather have a decent smartphone with coverage than an awesome one without.
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Coverage isn't the ultimate ground breaking deal factor into choosing a carrier, yes its a factor but if its decent its fine by most people's standard it is.
And No matter who i go to besides Sprint my bill with 3 lines and everything unlimited except shared minutes is above 200+ and i have a 20%+ discount depending on the carrier.
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Yes, that's the exact issue, and the whole purpose of my post. For people who want unlimited everything, Sprint is probably the cheapest option. If you want every line to be a smartphone, it's also the cheapest option. If you can live with a smaller number of minutes, and are willing to use Google Voice for texting, Sprint actually becomes the most expensive.
Basically Sprint has the lowest maximum cost and the highest minimum cost. Everyone gets a premium plan whether they want it or not. If you want to save a little money, there's nothing you can do. I'm not saying Sprint is a bad carrier; it's just that they're not for everyone. For you they might be a perfect fit.

brad162 said:
Honestly by the time that Jan rolls around i'm sure youll have a different opionion of Sprint.
I'm one of the biggest Sprint haters there are (i've had them since my original SERO plan though, but i also keep my T-Mobile line as well - both have their ups and downs)
to be honest, Sprint has been getting a lot better lately (it seems like they just flipped something here in Phoenix about two weeks ago), as i went from .2 down to 1.2Mbps down pretty much everywhere i go, and the whole WiMax "4G" thing, just get an LTE phone and you'll get way better "4G" than the epic could ever handle anyway.
Some people are randomly reporting 4G LTE on their Evo LTE phones and i've seen results as high as 42Mbps posted around, so that's what i'd be looking forward too if i were you
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Their is no way that can be true about the 42mbps because currently no phone even on LTE can handle that much speed unless their battery dies within 6 minutes lol. And here is my reason for switching:
I like to always stay updated with phones, I usually never have a phone longer than a year without getting a new one that's just me. Coming from T-Mobile I had the easy life of simply buying a phone and switching sim cards and that's it. I never liked cdma phones because they lacked the sim card, so I never bothered buying a sprint phone because 1 I didn't know how to switch my # over to it(now I do) and etc etc it seemed like a hassle.
Another reason is although Sprint has nice phones, they honestly don't have variety compared to T-Mobile. The SG3 would be the only reason I'd stay, but I don't want to pay full price for it and I don't want to stay with my OG Epic till January. I don't have to pay the Early Termination Fee because my job has benefits with Sprint.
In all fairness, besides their unlimited plan that I love, I would stay with the Epic and hold off until January but now paying $90 a month, going to a MVNO like Simple Mobile who uses GSM and T-Mobiles service, I'd save $ and it would definitely help me out financially. So im switching just based on personal reasons and financial that's all.

Mama Luigi said:
I was trying it out. My contract is up (my wife's isn't) so I figured why not give T-Mobile a shot. If I like them I'll leave Sprint. If not, that's why there's a 14-day grace period. Loved the phone of course. The coverage just wasn't quite there. I specifically chose this past weekend because I was traveling a lot and I wanted to see how my service was in various places.
I knew from the outset that I would be roaming with T-Mobile most of the time. They don't have native coverage in central and eastern Wisconsin. I can deal with it, but the thing is once my wife's contract is up with Sprint she's going to hop on whatever provider I have, and she didn't want to be stuck on T-Mobile. So that's why I got rid of it.
I'm already on Sprint's lowest minute plan and I can't go any lower. 1500 shared minutes on a family plan is about 1000 more than we use each month. Not saying more minutes is a bad thing, just that I can't save any money by dropping to a lower plan.
Yeah my in-laws and parents both have wifi, so of course everything works at their houses. Then again, I feel that if I'm paying over $100 every month for phone service, I should have a phone that works everywhere. Beyond that, I'd rather have a decent smartphone with coverage than an awesome one without.
Yes, that's the exact issue, and the whole purpose of my post. For people who want unlimited everything, Sprint is probably the cheapest option. If you want every line to be a smartphone, it's also the cheapest option. If you can live with a smaller number of minutes, and are willing to use Google Voice for texting, Sprint actually becomes the most expensive.
Basically Sprint has the lowest maximum cost and the highest minimum cost. Everyone gets a premium plan whether they want it or not. If you want to save a little money, there's nothing you can do. I'm not saying Sprint is a bad carrier; it's just that they're not for everyone. For you they might be a perfect fit.
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Yeah i can understand i forgot that you said yours was up and not hers but how come you dont have the same time as she does.
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Their is no way that can be true about the 42mbps because currently no phone even on LTE can handle that much speed unless their battery dies within 6 minutes lol. And here is my reason for switching:
I like to always stay updated with phones, I usually never have a phone longer than a year without getting a new one that's just me. Coming from T-Mobile I had the easy life of simply buying a phone and switching sim cards and that's it. I never liked cdma phones because they lacked the sim card, so I never bothered buying a sprint phone because 1 I didn't know how to switch my # over to it(now I do) and etc etc it seemed like a hassle.
Another reason is although Sprint has nice phones, they honestly don't have variety compared to T-Mobile. The SG3 would be the only reason I'd stay, but I don't want to pay full price for it and I don't want to stay with my OG Epic till January. I don't have to pay the Early Termination Fee because my job has benefits with Sprint.
In all fairness, besides their unlimited plan that I love, I would stay with the Epic and hold off until January but now paying $90 a month, going to a MVNO like Simple Mobile who uses GSM and T-Mobiles service, I'd save $ and it would definitely help me out financially. So im switching just based on personal reasons and financial that's all.
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And no, yes you can handle those speeds your most likely never going to hit them in real life performance but it does show its hitting it.
not 40mbps because of their coverage but here

XxLostSoulxX said:
Yeah i can understand i forgot that you said yours was up and not hers but how come you dont have the same time as she does.
And no, yes you can handle those speeds your most likely never going to hit them in real life performance but it does show its hitting it.
not 40mbps because of their coverage but here
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I didn't mean so say it like that but yes LTE can hit those speeds, but on a phone I have yet to see

Phantomg93 said:
I didn't mean so say it like that but yes LTE can hit those speeds, but on a phone I have yet to see
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My video I posted shows about 20Mbps what makes you think another 20 is going to kill the battery any quicker unless its working at those speeds for a long period of time.
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XxLostSoulxX said:
My video I posted shows about 20Mbps what makes you think another 20 is going to kill the battery any quicker unless its working at those speeds for a long period of time.
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Your probably right who knows

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Your probably right who knows
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Okay here it goes last vid post but this is even back in 2011 and VZW hitting 42MBps.

XxLostSoulxX said:
Okay here it goes last vid post but this is even back in 2011 and VZW hitting 42MBps.
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You do know that version of Speedtest never supported LTE yet right? Especially since LTE truly started rolling out around the time the version was made. So im going to say that this video isn't proof of a phone hitting those speeds rather than a simple glitch...For the Evo hell yes that looks exactly like Sprint network speeds haha...

[Q] Cancel Sprint - Offset ETF by transferring a basic phone onto account

After being together for the holidays with everyone for a week and travelling all over the place together while watching what other peoples results for coverage and speed tests were on other carriers and other smartphones, I am leaving Sprint.
I've had sprint since 2007 starting with a Palm Treo 700wx. I went from that, to a 750wx, to a Palm Treo Pro, to a temporary hiatus with a Windows Phone 7 on T-Mobile for a month, then back to Sprint with a HTC Evo Shift 4G and to my current phone; the SGS2/Epic 4G Touch.
I'll admit, I have loved playing with the previous two android phones I've had and loading tons of different ROMs, radios, PRL's, etc. I've found sweet spots and balance in them for my needs but..
My problem is, Sprints serivce has become extremely lacking while other providers move full steam ahead in their data coverage and speed offerings. Comparing just my brothers (ATT iPhone 5) and my GF's (VZW SGS3) phones to mine while they have been with me when we are travelling both around home and away on vacations has left me with a really bad taste in my mouth.
The SGS3 stays on 4G 95% of the time, the battery life is incredible, the speed tests are always returning 18-35Mbps downstream speeds wherever we go, and there are no times where the phone appears to have data coverage, but the network is unresponsive.
The ATT iPhone5 would slightly rival my 4G test results at times (when I actually have 4G coverage that is! :laugh, but 90% of the time it returned consistent 5-18Mbps downstream tests and was locked to 4G 90% of the time when I checked the phone wherever we went.
I travel all the time and I just can't deal with Sprint anymore. Their network, mostly the data aspect of it, is unbearable. Sprints implementation of WiMAX is a joke.
TLDR. So finally, here is my question:
I have 15 months left on my current contract. I have been looking for a way out without the full $350 ETF for the past couple weeks.
I saw this thread, and someone had suggested doing what I planned on doing after reviewing the ETF policies for Sprint: They purchased a basic phone, replaced their smartphone with the basic phone, and cancelled a few weeks later. They claimed it successfully offset their ETF to the lower ETF price of a basic plan.
I have a personal plan with my single line on it.
My plan is the simply unlimited plan.
I have a LG Remarq sitting here with a clean ESN.
I plan on replacing my Epic 4G Touch with the Remarq, changing my plan to a basic $30/mo plan, use it for a week or two, and then call in to cancel service, paying the lower ETF associated with basic phones.
Has anyone else done this with success?
Thanks in advance!

This is a great idea. I will try it out
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I believe the etf is associated with the phone you purchased when you signed the contract, not the phone you are currently using. If you signed a contract without purchasing a subsidized phone you aren't supposed to have an etf. The etf comes from a phone subsidy and is actually prorated (Sprint isnt always forthcoming about this and something charges the full etf unless you bring it up).
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kingsway8605 said:
I believe the etf is associated with the phone you purchased when you signed the contract, not the phone you are currently using. If you signed a contract without purchasing a subsidized phone you aren't supposed to have an etf. The etf comes from a phone subsidy and is actually prorated (Sprint isnt always forthcoming about this and something charges the full etf unless you bring it up).
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Right, this is the part I am worried about.
I figured it might not work as I had hoped since the reason my contract was renewed in May 2012 was due to the upgrade to the Epic 4G touch.
If it isn't going to work, I'll just sell off the Epic 4G Touch to recoupe some of the ETF..
Can't always have it all!

I would like to just say that you complaint about "sprints implementation" is wrong. Wimax is Clearwire implementation and sprint is/was using it for 4g but are abandoning it in favor of FDD-LTE / TDD-LTE (800/1900 & 2500 mhz).
They (clearwire) deployed it wrong and ran out of money in their deployment by trying to go for the blanket coverage which is practically undoable since they were using 2.5ghz/2.6ghz BRS/EBS spectrum which is highly inferior to ATT and Verizons sub ghz (700/850) spectrum.
Furthermore, your account says you live in Miami, FL which is an active Network Vision deployment area which means they're upgrading the backhaul from their crappy T1 (low data speed.. that problem) to fiber / microwave / aav etc and installing "their" implementation of 4g which is LTE-Rel 9 equipment on 1900mhz frequency at every cell site.
Just wanted to inform you on some things before you think sprint has no future and that Vz and ATT will be forever superior. Saturation of Verizons LTE network is coming along with somewhere around 50% of data usage being LTE. This is noticeable nowadays literally everywhere as Verizons 4g LTE speeds are quickly decreasing from the >20 mbps you see from speedtests all the time to somewhere in the 4-10mbps range during peak hours and average. They may have great coverage but what they lack is density because their great coverage comes from a blanket type approach where one tower in a cluster has LTE activated so that it covers other towers around it. This ensures a faster rollout and larger coverage area in a short time frame but will falter under heavy loads. ATT will face this problem as well since they are undertaking the same type of rollout as Verizon.
This is the reason why Verizon and ATT is attempting to quickly utilize AWS spectrum for LTE to relieve the high data demand on their towers. Sprint does not have this problem with LTE 1900 on every tower, LTE 800 (deployment begins when iDen is shut down and 800mhz freq is refarmed), and LTE on the 2.5ghz BRS (Clearwire) for heavy loads in high demand areas such as cities and metros.
Anyways. Good luck in where you go and maybe check back with Sprint later when their NV program is mostly complete nationwide at the end of 2013/ early 2014.

Are you in the retentions department or something?
Who has been the primary shareholder and has had control of Clearwire for the past few years?
Regardless of that, why does it matter who implemented it? My complaint is about the network they are utilizing and making available to their customers. I could care less about the details.
I don't really think any other network is forever superior over another.
In fact, I never even mentioned anything about that..
I'm just noting what I have seen in my Sprint usage over the past 5-6 years ALL throughout the east coast. I used to love Sprint, but with how much I rely on a good data connection now, I can't deal with them.
My Christmas vacation was spent in Dallas. And guess what? Sprint was even worse there than when I am at home in the unobstructed, pancake state of Florida. Everytime I take trips up to Boston and New York for work, my battery drains much more quickly. Not to mention, my coverage is terrible. I've tried all of the radios for this phone. I did the same with the Evo Shift.. same terrible data coverage.
I've moved several times over the past 7 years all throughout the east coast and everywhere I have gone, my service has never been better than it has been here. Voice coverage has always been great for the most part.
My purchase point is a reliable, dependable data connection at this point.
Maybe when Sprint can satisfy my needs and lower their prices a bit I'll come back.. I'n the meantime I will be heading over to VZW for their $80/mo unlimited + 2GB data plan since I never go over 1.5GB anyways. Sure beats the $130 I'm paying now.

element1966 said:
Are you in the retentions department or something?
Who has been the primary shareholder and has had control of Clearwire for the past few years?
Regardless of that, why does it matter who implemented it? My complaint is about the network they are utilizing and making available to their customers. I could care less about the details.
I don't really think any other network is forever superior over another.
In fact, I never even mentioned anything about that..
I'm just noting what I have seen in my Sprint usage over the past 5-6 years ALL throughout the east coast. I used to love Sprint, but with how much I rely on a good data connection now, I can't deal with them.
My Christmas vacation was spent in Dallas. And guess what? Sprint was even worse there than when I am at home in the unobstructed, pancake state of Florida. Everytime I take trips up to Boston and New York for work, my battery drains much more quickly. Not to mention, my coverage is terrible. I've tried all of the radios for this phone. I did the same with the Evo Shift.. same terrible data coverage.
I've moved several times over the past 7 years all throughout the east coast and everywhere I have gone, my service has never been better than it has been here. Voice coverage has always been great for the most part.
My purchase point is a reliable, dependable data connection at this point.
Maybe when Sprint can satisfy my needs and lower their prices a bit I'll come back.. I'n the meantime I will be heading over to VZW for their $80/mo unlimited + 2GB data plan since I never go over 1.5GB anyways. Sure beats the $130 I'm paying now.
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No. I'm not in the retention department nor am I affiliated with sprint. I am someone who went beyond and educated myself in what sprint is doing in the present, past, and future because of the sad state of their current legacy network and data speeds.
To answer your questions.
1. Sprint, although they own a majority share of a little bit over 50% of Clearwire, does not control them. They can surely veto things that they don't like but Clearwire is an independent entity with their own goals and aspirations. They've been "rebellious" in the past and bumped heads with sprints multiple times and is one of the reasons why SoftBank/New Sprint is buying them out. Make sure they don't get any fancy ideas.
Also. You mention the past experiences and how you're unsatisfied with it and that's exactly what I'm saying that Sprint is changing with their Network Vision project by updating their legacy backhaul to modern fiber / mw/ aav.
By the way. I wished you luck in your purchase and never told you to stay with sprint. Every persons need is different but it is always nice to inform people on things.
www.s4gru.com is where I get my information from and good luck with Verizon.

As someone who travels a bit, I am in the same boat. I'm pretty locked in by my family account, though. Sprint's data network is awful right now. I sure hope it gets better.

The one common thing that occurs often with Sprint that I hate the most when I am travelling is when the phone shows locked to 3G and the upload/dowload arrows are lighting up while you are trying to use google maps, the browser, or update your e-mails, and NOTHING happens!
I could be sitting at an intersection trying to figure out where I am on gmaps with 3G or 4G coverage indicated and nothing happening. I'll search for a location, it will act like it has gone through and the "Searching for ...." bubble that grays out the screen will dissappear but nothing else will happen. I'll sit there and restart the phone like a dummy at wits end and the same thing will happen afterwords. I just don't have the time to play these games anymore. I've tried all the radios, roms, prls, you name it. And I have spent plenty of time determining which radios work best for me in the SGS2. But that begs the question; why should I waste my limited free time trying to improve the reliability of my phone on a unreliable network? I've got better ways to spend my time than in constant frustration.
This has happened with my phones on sprint since the Palm Treos through all 3 of the androids I've had. No way can you point fingers at poorly designed radios in the phones. I've done everything I can to deal with the possibility of actual phone issues.. it's not the fault of the phones and I give up.
I'm sure there are plenty of places where sprint is great.. but everywhere I have been along the east coast and to TX recently, it hasn't been reliable enough for me in comparison to other major providers. I am up north and all through the east coast 10-20 times a year. And when I'm not away for work, my daily travels to customers and such can include any destination from central Florida down to the keys. It just never meets my needs wherever I typically go.
I refuse to stick around and twirl my thumbs in anticipation but I hope Sprints new rollout is a game changer for people in my situation.

Sprint just booted me
I called ther customer service enough and told them how far they could shove my account up their A S S that eventually an executive service agent called and told me my account was being canceled with no ETF's. I had to be a pretty big A S S to them, but their customer service was the worst I've ever dealt with.

firemanwill28 said:
I called ther customer service enough and told them how far they could shove my account up their A S S that eventually an executive service agent called and told me my account was being canceled with no ETF's. I had to be a pretty big A S S to them, but their customer service was the worst I've ever dealt with.
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You sound like a real winner. When I have to deal with people like you at work I go out of my way to find a reason to deny their claims. Just cuz you want to feel entitled to something doesn't mean you are, you should have just sucked it up and paid your ETF instead of crying til you got out free. Customers like you are the whole reason sprint posts losses every quarter and cant afford to build their network out fast enough to keep you pissants happy. :thumbdown:
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firemanwill28 said:
I called ther customer service enough and told them how far they could shove my account up their A S S that eventually an executive service agent called and told me my account was being canceled with no ETF's. I had to be a pretty big A S S to them, but their customer service was the worst I've ever dealt with.
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I'm sure.
I already know what I had to go through with the BBB and T-Mobile when I dropped their service after a month and tried to get out without having to pay all sorts of fees. I didn't even have cell service in my condo in the center of downtown Miami when I was living there!
I'd rather not get my blood pressure up again and just easily port my number over without delays.

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You sound like a real winner. When I have to deal with people like you at work I go out of my way to find a reason to deny their claims. Just cuz you want to feel entitled to something doesn't mean you are, you should have just sucked it up and paid your ETF instead of crying til you got out free. Customers like you are the whole reason sprint posts losses every quarter and cant afford to build their network out fast enough to keep you pissants happy. :thumbdown:
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So you stick up for Sprint, who probably pays you less than $20/hr to do their slave work and subjects you to putting up with angry customers all day?
What were you expecting when you started a call center job? An enjoyable career?
Just remember, it's not YOUR fault or problem that an angry customer calls in to ANY cell provider. If you signed the employment contract to handle their customers BS in exchange for money, then that is an unfortunate part of the job, right?
I don't think any of the customers that call in angry are personally angry at you.

element1966 said:
So you stick up for Sprint, who probably pays you less than $20/hr to do their slave work and subjects you to putting up with angry customers all day?
What were you expecting when you started a call center job? An enjoyable career?
Just remember, it's not YOUR fault or problem that an angry customer calls in to ANY cell provider. If you signed the employment contract to handle their customers BS in exchange for money, then that is an unfortunate part of the job, right?
I don't think any of the customers that call in angry are personally angry at you.
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I dont work for sprint genius. And I make way more than $20/hr at my job
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Nothing good will come out of a thread asking about how to get out of the ETF. It is there to help keep subsidized phone prices low and helps all of us. You breaking contract without paying an ETF hurts us.
Also these discussions are not proper for a development site.