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I am getting sick of all this complaining. This is a vital time when MS needs support. We need to be more like Apple users in supporting our company. The apathetic nature of MS users makes me sick. Sometimes I feel like I am the only MS user who actively goes out and spreads good word about MS. User of MS products just go along happily using it but never actually spread the word like Apple fans do. That's why Apple is so succesful and MS is not in the mobile sector. The only time they come out of the woodwork is to complain.
See the whole windows home server and drive extender saga. Where were these people when Apple was bashing MS left and right? Nowhere. Now that they remove DE, they are screaming murder saying MS had the best product they've ever owned. Well perhaps you should have spread the word then.
So this thread is so say WE SUPPORT YOU, MS! You have a done a great job. Who else is with me?
Gas up the bus and round up the cheerleaders. We are going cross country!
I love WP7 but I am yet to support them by buying a handset. I suspect that will change soon.
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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If product good, support good, sales after services good.
The customer's will come, because the they are not stupid.
I own HD7 and I see it doesn't have many thing that made it to be a good phone (just "phone") right now.
MS need to be pull many feature quickly but as we see.. 5 month ago we have nothing, but bugs are still with us.
(ex. I can't use mic when I use headphone, so every time somebody call me in, I must to be pull out the headphones jack before received the call, It's not funny.)
Customer will choose the best thing for them so, M$ must to be more a good boy.
I like M$ but I not sure to support them in the feature again,
because I didn't got the money for free.
tanneji said:
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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Haha, I couldn't help but notice you posted this from a Captivate. I own one as well and I had bought a WP7 device last week to switch back and forth as I please because I want to support MS in the mobile community, but WP7 does nothing for me. The Netflix streaming was about it, but once that hits android then it wont matter. WP7 is smooth and rarely lags, but I feel so restricted when I use it and I have my Captivate sitting next to me. I don't know if you have got into flashing custom roms for the Captivate, but if you haven't flash Andromeda 1.2. Easily competes with the fastest of phones on the market today and everything works perfectly. But now that I'm done with my sales pitch, if MS brings an improvement to WP7 then I will be trying it out as soon as I can, but what me and my brother liked about Windows phones in the past is that they were virtually limitless to the tweaks you could make. Granted not as fast or smooth, no matter what facade is on top, but if you wanted to do something then most likely you could. WP7 just feels crippled, that's just my opinion though.
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though WP7 currently lack some features that we are used to using (copy/paste, multi-tasking etc.)im loving my WP7 powered HD7.
another thing that i love (and it makes me excited too) are the upcoming updates. come to think of it, MS will be bringing us C&P in a few weeks. and after a few months itll bring us Multi tasking in which the other platforms took a long time for them to deliver. its just that, MS should pull something extra ordinary that will differentiate their platform against the others. im sure ms is already conceptualizing things that will separate wp7 amongs the rest.
Good work with the camera feature, the Metro UI, social network integration and HUBS!
i love WP7
loving chix & vixens as well...
What about the landscape keyboard? Is there ever going to be a fix to take up the whole screen width? I'm sure going from an iPhone or something with a smaller screen its fine, but I'm use to the beautiful SAMOLED screen on the Captivate having a full width keyboard. In portrait mode its on par with the Captivates portrait keyboard, but I simply can't type on the landscape one. Maybe I should have got the Quantum...
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I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
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I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
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Allowing us to uninstall the bloatware crap without Modding the phone all to pieces is a pretty big sign that they support the users and not the carrier. Its the first phone I've seen it allow such a thing.
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I love WP7 too........
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I've always been the first to support Microsoft but they really do need to start showing their consumers some love.
i have been MS supporter for a long time and with WP7 microsoft has done it, this OS works without softreset, do not have few things right now but i know it will be having all those options soon...
i got my HD7 end oct and i am glad i got it.... i love the cloud, love the UI, love the speed, smoothness, simplcity, integration with facebook.....
i was wondering how it will be like when i lose sync with outlook, but it did not come up after i moved my contacts to my windows live account.
guys, WP7 is a good OS and if you dont like it there are other options, the only thing i dont get it is ppl *****ing about WP7 when they knew what they will be getting and they bought it and now all the *****ing..
I support Microsoft
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But there are a lot of Microsoft haters out there.
another reason i love ms and wp7 (this is too much exciting)
IE9 coming to WP7 (later this year )
To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
we are complaining is because the product is not good.IMO, M$ is on the wrong direction now,they have to plan and develop WP7 better,better....still a long way to go.what I see now is WP7 is just like SYMBIAN,full of bugs,but it just equipped with a better presentation.
I'm feeling pretty pity now,let's think about the updates and what we are waiting??mango and NO-DO,the feature these updates bring to us,is just some necessary and basic function and not mind-blowing.
I'm kind of tired of frequent lag and crash on marketplace,excessive noise in picture,slow app loading on my mozart.
what I said here is on a non-M$ fanboy stand point.
I will support MS back, but only when:
- They will deliver their updates,
- They will stop their unacceptable US-centric services, and provide decent services also to European customers. Which means they fix Bing Maps which is a shame,
- They will remove most of their silly WP7 restrictions and limitations,
- They will give all the APIs to the third party developers (GPS, compass, camera, etc.),
- They finally listen to their customers.
At the moment they are not fully commited to the satisfaction of their clients... Sorry.
And God knows how loyal we are....
if you have to ask...
people to support a multi billion dollar company, the company is doing something wrong.
don't blame apple or google or rim for this one. nothing to do with them at all.
I would imagine if ms actually released a full fledged update that brought it up to featureset, this thread wouldn't be needed. also, naming your first update after your competitions is just lame. nodo ? really, that's just sad.
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To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
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Erm remember when iPhone first came out without MMS, multitasking, copypaste, etc. The Apple supporters were backing Apple by saying that they didn't need multitasking, that copy paste on mobile devices was useless and why use MMS when we have emails.
That's the kind of support I am talking about. MS users on the other hand just complain and complain.
On site WP7applist hourly updated data on the number of applications available on the Windows phone for U.S. Marketplace 7. As expected, the number of 15,000 applications will be surpassed soon. Big apps are coming to WP7, like Angry Birds and Skype
15000 of trash and overpriced apps, and other thousands will follow.
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15000 of trash and overpriced apps, and other thousands will follow.
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Wow! Congratulations sir, that's easily the most ignorant thing I've read this week.....
Less trolling please....
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15000 of trash and overpriced apps, and other thousands will follow.
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All app stores are like this. There will always be a high crap:quality ratio. You think there are 300,000 quality, must-have apps in the Apple app store? I'd say wp7 is doing quite well so far, and you are seeing a pretty large spike in quality and official apps from larger dev's/corporations coming lately.
I guess WP7 still has a lot of high quality apps in comparison to iPhone and Android.
iPhone has of course more apps, but they also have way more crap apps, for example the "lite" versions. This also increased their number of apps because for iOS there are 2 verions (lite and pro) of many apps whereas in WP7 many apps offer a demo and only get counted once. I'm not saying that WP7 has better apps, but the average quality is probably higher.
Android has of course no one regulating the Marketplace at all (or almost). This means all kinds of crazy and senseless apps or wallpapers etc. can be uploaded and ruin the marketplace.
EDIT: BTW now there are over 15,500 apps in the marketplace. If I am not mistaken neither iOS nor Android had such growth rates in the beginning.
Well there are no pro audio apps on wp7 and will not be before mango. The api's dont cut it at the moment. It will become much much better, and the quality can go up when the new api's drop and the apps can start to compare to IOS or outclass them. But we will all need mango first.
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I guess WP7 still has a lot of high quality apps in comparison to iPhone and Android.
iPhone has of course more apps, but they also have way more crap apps, for example the "lite" versions. This also increased their number of apps because for iOS there are 2 verions (lite and pro) of many apps whereas in WP7 many apps offer a demo and only get counted once. I'm not saying that WP7 has better apps, but the average quality is probably higher.
Android has of course no one regulating the Marketplace at all (or almost). This means all kinds of crazy and senseless apps or wallpapers etc. can be uploaded and ruin the marketplace.
EDIT: BTW now there are over 15,500 apps in the marketplace. If I am not mistaken neither iOS nor Android had such growth rates in the beginning.
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Just because Windows Phone 7 is hot... And I think this baby just rising it temperature and range everyday!
But Agree one thing, Microsoft should consider about "cleaning" the Marketplace a little bit.
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Can you make some better ones?
15.000 apps:
7.500 tip calculators
4.500 stopwatch
2.950 timers
50 other BS apps
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0 Google Maps
0 Turn by Turn navigation app
0 Swype or other alternative keyboard
Great
(just kidding... But to me the most important apps, notably turn to turn, are definitely missing)
One thing I am well qualified to comment on and have clearly experienced is the games on each system. I find myself playing WP7 games much more than iOS or Android games. Currently iOS has the best racing games. Real Racing 1 & 2 are so much like Gran Turismo on the Playstation and just complete super high quality. But WP7 has the best all-around games. If it wasn't for Angry Birds on Android, I would hardly be playing any games on it. The best racer for WP7 that I've seen is Need for Speed: Undercover.
MS can do WP7 a favor by continuing to dev more and more XBOX titles to WP7. Most of the games I play on WP7 are in the XBOX Live category. I hate online gaming, but they don't require being online to play. I just play them normally.
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Can you make some better ones?
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???? HOW, without Mango, full file access......????
and the 15.000 apps are only cheap, crapy peace of worthless soft, writen in less than half of hour, but a gigantic hope to make at least one BILLION dollars with it.
Thats the truth about Windows Phone...
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???? HOW, without Mango, full file access......????
and the 15.000 apps are only cheap, crapy peace of worthless soft, writen in less than half of hour, but a gigantic hope to make at least one BILLION dollars with it.
Thats the truth about Windows Phone...
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Yup. Every single one of them.
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and the 15.000 apps are only cheap, crapy peace of worthless soft, writen in less than half of hour, but a gigantic hope to make at least one BILLION dollars with it.
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There are some really nice and high quality apps on the marketplace.
Of course, there are many ****ty apps but like I said earlier, the average quality and the good app to bad app ratio in Windows Phone Marketplace is higher than in iTunes app store and way way higher than for Android.
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0 Google Maps
0 Turn by Turn navigation app
0 Swype or other alternative keyboard
Great
(just kidding... But to me the most important apps, notably turn to turn, are definitely missing)
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There is turn by turn.
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And there is Google Maps. Alternative Keyboards are not permitted (which i don't think is a Bad idea) so of course there are None on the marketplace.
Yeah, but we don't have any good IM app, we don't have Kik, WhatsApp, Pingchat, Skype, MSN, GTalk. Yeah yeah, we have "Messenger by Myowa". Wow! A platform made by Microsoft, announced one year ago, that took 3 years to be "ready" to chase iPhone, and no one inside MS thought about doing a crap but oficial client. Just like Facebook. Crap. But oficial. That matters.
Flory do the work. But not the homework. Kik is coming. Skype.. well.. let's talk about this 6 months from now. WhatsApp just after new API.
And before I buy WP7 I asked here if it was worth it. Everyone said "oh, we have few apps, but good apps." "we don't have quantity, but we do have quality".
Am I missing anything?
Because I don't see any really good app here. Every single one that I tried takes forever to load and refresh, and it is laggy. And yes, I'm at NoDo. Wich really give a boost to all apps.
I'll stop here. And I'll not even talk about Push Notifications, because that will make I have a heart attack.
But, indeed, even with all this problems.. I love it. It WILL BE the best mobile OS soon, with Mango. Right now, it's just a baby.
Fim for Facebook chat
Jabbertalk for Jabber/ICQ/MSN/FacebookChat
Messenger by Myowa for MSN
All of them work as they should, including push and tile notifications - I don't know what's supposed to be missing (Except a real ICQ client).
But hey, maybe i'm not using Instant messaging right - i'm just sending and receiving text messages - What else would you expect an im client to do?
I want them to be fast, and reliable. I spent 2 hours testing the hell of my push notifications with Flory. I wasn't receiving nothing when it comes about push. Just when i opened the app.
The first real instant messaging app, IM+, should be coming fairly soon.
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That said, there are big apps that we had on day one that still aren't really available on Android, Netflix for instance...
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If sideloading was possible I'd probably have already made some better ones. Other platforms are more friendly to developers, even if the development environment isn't as good. Concessions have to be made
These are some of the Apps I would like to see in the WP7 marketplace
Bump
WhatsAPP
Fring
Layer
Paypal
Word Lens
Lose IT
Around ME
what would you guys like to see ???
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These are some of the Apps I would like to see in the WP7 marketplace
Bump - I'd like this app, or a built in 'send contact' option in the OS.
WhatsAPP -Kik (similar to whatsapp) is coming in the next few weeks supposedly. But would also be nice to see WhatsAPP. I imagine we will start to see more of the 3rd party messengers come Mango, which is when we will see some decent IM clients as well.
Fring - These will likely also come with Mango which gives full camera API support to dev's.
Layer - was shown at MIX11 by Joe Belfiore, and is coming this Fall with Mango's necessary API's (as will pretty much all other augmented reality apps).
Paypal - sure why not.
Word Lens - sure why not
Lose IT - don't use any of these types, but sure why not!
Around ME - Around Me, Urban Spoon ect would be nice additions. There are some pretty decent ones already in the marketplace, but I'd like to see some more.
what would you guys like to see ??? - mostly an official Google Voice app (or one that functions like an official one would.....Mango API's should allow this to happen pretty quickly).
most of the other things I wanted are coming with Mango as described above (augmented reality apps, IM/3rd party messegers, skype/fring ect) so other than just seeing more quality apps, I want MS to add features. I'm eagerly awaiting their announcement of the "Consumer" side of the Mango features.
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what are you doing until mango ?
Personally I would love for the Gameloft/Gamevil games to make their way to the marketplace. Only thing I miss about iOS is Zenonia series and Dungeon Hunter.
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what are you doing until mango ?
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LOL...well said,you made my day mate...I can't even figure out what I can do until Mango.
i wana see longman dictionary .and oxford one
nba game time
infinity blade
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Trick question? Using my phone lol. Did I somehow make you think I couldn't function without a Layar app?
These things are not necessities to function, just what I would like to see, and they are coming.
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Lol... Agree.
Also, on the Kik thing...
Kik has been Kicked (pun intended) off of Blackberry, and it doesn't have nearly as many users as WhatsApp has. It requires yet another account creation in addition to downloading the app. WhatsApp goes by phone numbers.
WhatsApp works on Android, iOS, Blackberry, and Symbian.
Sorry, but anyone who does a lot of communication on their smartphones know that Kik is no suitable replacement for WhatsApp.
I don't even consider it an alternative.
What we need is something like Trillian for WP7, not Kik...
The OP also failed to mention Skype and Pandora. (Well I guess it was his list, I was going by the thread title )
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Lol... Agree.)
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On what? I was answering the guys post, and responded to his list. That was it.
What an odd question. What am I doing until Mango? Not IM'ing? Not using Layar? Same thing as everybody else? It just happens that almost everything he listed is coming, and we know when its coming.
Other than apps Mango is going to allow (WhatsApp will probably come as well) I don't think we will be 'missing' many apps. I just want added functionality in the OS.
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On what? I was answering the guys post, and responded to his list. That was it.
What an odd question. What am I doing until Mango? Not IM'ing? Not using Layar? Same thing as everybody else? It just happens that almost everything he listed is coming, and we know when its coming.
Other than apps Mango is going to allow (WhatsApp will probably come as well) I don't think we will be 'missing' many apps. I just want added functionality in the OS.
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It seems as though this community thinks you need to be able to "do" something with the phone every day rather than just use it... I guess this comes from the flashing of ROMs and such... You guys are so accustomed to the WM days where we HAD to "do" something every day to make the phone usable... I'm going to agree here and say I'm going to "use" my phone, I'm going to continue texting, taking pictures, emailing, fbing, tweeting, 4sqing...etc
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What we need is something like Trillian for WP7, not Kik...
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Would still prefer Trillian... At least from my experiences with IM+ in the past... I hope they can prove me wrong this time though.
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It seems as though this community thinks you need to be able to "do" something with the phone every day rather than just use it... I guess this comes from the flashing of ROMs and such... You guys are so accustomed to the WM days where we HAD to "do" something every day to make the phone usable... I'm going to agree here and say I'm going to "use" my phone, I'm going to continue texting, taking pictures, emailing, fbing, tweeting, 4sqing...etc
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The only thing we'd like to do is install an app, but unfortunately those apps are impossible to install on our phones becaue they're impossible to implement.
This has nothing to do with Windows Mobile. I came to WP7 from Android, and if you read my posts in the Vibrant forum you'd know that I've never touched my phone in the way you seem to infer.
I have never modded any of my WM or Android devices. It's not my thing.
This OS isn't subpar because people want to mod them. It's subpar because it was designed as a subpar Feature Phone OS with good hardware while they finished the other half over the next year.
And now we'll probably have to sit on it even longer while Microsoft gives Nokia a cookie.
I dunno why you're going on and on about the WM/Android Modding crutch.
The OS just does not cut it compared to Android and iOS even if you're never modded your phone - ever, on any other platform you've used.
You paid $500 for a phone to wait a year for it to become as usable as a mid-ranged Android or Blackberry Curve? I sure as hell didn't, nor should I have been expected to do so...
It's not our fault the OS is in the shape its in, and has failed to impress anyone but a few fanbois here and there. It's Microsoft's fault.
Also, if you glance over my post history you'll see that I am equally vicious towards Android, iOS, and Blackberry as I am towards WP7. Trying to pawn me off as some Anti-Microsoft fanboi in this forum is quite hillarious... I am loyal to no platform, and equally critical of all of them. It only happens that this one is worse than the others.
Many of the criticism here can be found anywhere on the internet, even in formal reviews and unboxings. It's no mystery that this OS is both unfinished and if to be considered an actual smartphone OS (instead of a feature phone), Beta-quality.
And to the person after you, IM+ is inferior to Trillian in almost every possible way.
Also, the HD7 is a worse PHONE than the Vibrant, so even if I were willing to shut up and just deal with the OS' shortcomings, there is still that issue. The radio (or perhaps the radio firmware) is terrible and call quality and reception is not good. The external speakers are even worse than the cell radio.
I'll continue using my Vibrant to do half the **** you said you'll continue doing because it's a superior user experience. Push Notifications and Updates are simply superior on Android and there are things that are impossible to do on WP7 like emailing or MMSing videos.
But like I said, if you use your phone like a feature phone this OS no doubt seems very polished and "innovative."
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The only thing we'd like to do is install an app, but unfortunately those apps are impossible to install on our phones becaue they're impossible to implement.
This has nothing to do with Windows Mobile. I came to WP7 from Android, and if you read my posts in the Vibrant forum you'd know that I've never touched my phone in the way you seem to infer.
I have never modded any of my WM or Android devices. It's not my thing.
This OS isn't subpar because people want to mod them. It's subpar because it was designed as a subpar Feature Phone OS with good hardware while they finished the other half over the next year.
And now we'll probably have to sit on it even longer while Microsoft gives Nokia a cookie.
I dunno why you're going on and on about the WM/Android Modding crutch.
The OS just does not cut it compared to Android and iOS even if you're never modded your phone - ever, on any other platform you've used.
You paid $500 for a phone to wait a year for it to become as usable as a mid-ranged Android or Blackberry Curve? I sure as hell didn't, nor should I have been expected to do so...
It's not our fault the OS is in the shape its in, and has failed to impress anyone but a few fanbois here and there. It's Microsoft's fault.
Also, if you glance over my post history you'll see that I am equally vicious towards Android, iOS, and Blackberry as I am towards WP7. Trying to pawn me off as some Anti-Microsoft fanboi in this forum is quite hillarious... I am loyal to no platform, and equally critical of all of them. It only happens that this one is worse than the others.
Many of the criticism here can be found anywhere on the internet, even in formal reviews and unboxings. It's no mystery that this OS is both unfinished and if to be considered an actual smartphone OS (instead of a feature phone), Beta-quality.
And to the person after you, IM+ is inferior to Trillian in almost every possible way.
Also, the HD7 is a worse PHONE than the Vibrant, so even if I were willing to shut up and just deal with the OS' shortcomings, there is still that issue. The radio (or perhaps the radio firmware) is terrible and call quality and reception is not good. The external speakers are even worse than the cell radio.
I'll continue using my Vibrant to do half the **** you said you'll continue doing because it's a superior user experience. Push Notifications and Updates are simply superior on Android and there are things that are impossible to do on WP7 like emailing or MMSing videos.
But like I said, if you use your phone like a feature phone this OS no doubt seems very polished and "innovative."
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This goes on about your arrogance and apparent self created worth in this forum. Who says everything I say is directed towards you? Did I say "Hey N8ter...." - Not to mention, the phone is usable enough for me... You're also comparing a mature OS, to one in its infancy... But this is part of the double standard here... Not to mention, the HD7 is a superior device to any Vibrant I've ever touched, sorry that your experience is different.
Phone is usable enough for me, I just wish some of you would quit trying to convince me differently. Getting out of the topic of this post, you guys even go into the topics labeled "I Love My WP7" and try to spew your venom... Which is where it gets rather annoying tbh, this is a WP forum, I don't constantly want to hear the same 4-5 users ***** about it...
You, and a select other few, also seem to hold your opinions as fact, and the second somebody successfully refutes an argument you have, you attack it even harder.. Regardless of how ridiculous your point is... You become upset when somebody enjoys the experience.
Not going to entertain you today.
Mint.com
Skype/Fring
Good googletalk client
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I see there is a new RDP client that works with Windows RDP. It's by Topperware and is called Remote Desktop, which is the same name as a existing VNC client in the Marketplace. It seems to connect just fine but the connection times out after a minute in the trial version, so I couldn't play around with it much.
I suspect it is using some sort of redirection to a server somewhere. You can't use a internal IP assigned by your router but must use your external internet IP.
MLB At Bat
Scrabble
Native Remote Desktop
An IM app, but that seems to be coming soon
I'm quite puzzled as to why there isn't a Tesco Clubcard App. Tesco have had "Tesco Real Food" and "Tesco Groceries" out on the market since launch.
I really want to see many of Zynga's apps, such as Zynga Poker and Words with Friends. I realize there are many alternatives to those games, such as Full House Poker and Alpha Jax, but most of my friends play those Zynga games.
How Windows Phone 8 ‘Apollo’ Would Stack Up Against iOS 5, Android 4?
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It'll be a full on war for sure. The Marketplace will explode overnight as devs can target Win8 and WP8 without too much work on their end. This will nullify the 'app count' argument when comparing platforms. Instead we can focus on the overall experience with using the platform when comparing iOS and Android.
Personally I like the approach Microsoft has been taking with their products lately, it'll be fun to see them integrate the experience deeper and share it across their products.
Great time to be a tech fan!
I agree. This is the first time i've felt proud to support Microsoft since Gates left.
Everything is shaping up nicely.. The one ecosystem idea is brilliant. PC, Phone, Entertainment (next gen xbox), and tablets.
Remention:
One Eco-System that Microsoft is trying to show people.
Windows PC - Windows Phone - XBOX - Windows Tablet - Zune (possible Microsoft Music now)
i think if they make not more customizations possible for the customers apollo will be in the dark with 1-2% marketshare like wp7. another point is that the features are good but what is the killer argument to use windows apollo? windows is fast, modern and so on but it isnt worlds better im comparison with other handyos.
samsabri said:
1)It'll be a full on war for sure.
2)The Marketplace will explode overnight as devs can target Win8 and WP8 without too much work on their end.
3)This will nullify the 'app count' argument when comparing platforms.
4)Instead we can focus on the overall experience with using the platform when comparing iOS and Android.
5)Great time to be a tech fan!
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1) the war has been over for a little while, trenches filled in, grass is growing, birds chirping....
2) there's reason to believe this could happen, I would imagine with current market share assumptions developers will focus completely on the desktop apps.
3) there are a lot of "ifs" here still. Will 8 be another vista ? How hard will m$ have to push to get people out of windows7 ? Will anyone care "there's a phone too!" ?
4) Right now, today, this should be advertised like crazy. Not leaks, not 12 second clips from a presentation, full on, corporate themed, blackberry-attention-grabbing, no-fuzzy-gates-and-seinfeld-bs, advertising. Every day they aren't spending $500,000 on marketing is a waste.
5) its been here for a few years, tell m$, wake them up !
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1) the war has been over for a little while, trenches filled in, grass is growing, birds chirping....
2) there's reason to believe this could happen, I would imagine with current market share assumptions developers will focus completely on the desktop apps.
3) there are a lot of "ifs" here still. Will 8 be another vista ? How hard will m$ have to push to get people out of windows7 ? Will anyone care "there's a phone too!" ?
4) Right now, today, this should be advertised like crazy. Not leaks, not 12 second clips from a presentation, full on, corporate themed, blackberry-attention-grabbing, no-fuzzy-gates-and-seinfeld-bs, advertising. Every day they aren't spending $500,000 on marketing is a waste.
5) its been here for a few years, tell m$, wake them up !
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I was so excited by Samsabri's post, but yours was a reality-pill. It is true that Windows 8 should be advertised like crazy.
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
You do realize that we don't know much at all about what Apollo will bring, right?
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i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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That is very well said.
It's about the quality of the experience, not things like supporting resolutions.
I mean yes, that's a handicap, but they're still miles behind. The win8 tablet released in October?? Didn't the iPad come out in 2009? I love this platform, but they're so late to the party, it's like they're arriving the next morning when everyone's already long gone.
One day tech people will realize the truth: Tech does not sell Tech.
That is why the iPhone consistently outsells the best selling Android phone in all its highly customizable, multicore, lte, bells and whistles glory. Working well beats bells and whistles anyday.
All WP7 needs is to open more APIs, get more apps, and OEMs push out more phones and they are in the race.
appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
svtfmook said:
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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I was thinking the same way, when the developers from the big company don't really care about the apps for Windows Phone, (even XDA, don't blame me, just look at the Premium Apps, it hasn't been updated forever) .
Just because the marketshare of Windows Phone isn't big, and hey, Developers are people trying to make money too , right? And They sell apps, and of course, they want to sell their best product at the crowd .
Unless Microsoft can turn this around first, and now with Nokia, i hope we can have something better, when people now actually put Windows Phone in their list of choice. (Windows Mobile was completely ignored) .
So no matter what, i am gonna stick with Windows Phone for now.
svtfmook said:
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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you don't think this post is getting ahead either?
akachay said:
appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
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winmo was on par with current android iterations. Android is an always outdated unfunny joke.
I can't wait. I'm holding off buying some rubbish Android phone until the Apollo phones come out.
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Just can't wait for Apollo and hoping beta comes in June/July like Mango... OMG
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the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market.
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That describes Android perfectly.
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appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
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So Gingerbread is miles ahead of Froyo, and ICS is miles ahead of Gingergread? I bet even most Android people would say no.
iOS 5 I may be inclined to give you as being far ahead of 4.3 because of the camera from lock, notification bar, pseudo-widgets, and it brought Siri. But look how many borrowed ideas that had.
Windows Phone will be miles behind Android in sales, phone offering, specs, and apps.
Windows Phone will be miles behind iOS in sales and apps.
Android will be miles behind iOS in sales per device.
What this tells me is if the Lumia series could land in the US with a big carrier at the right time in its development cycle (Apollo) it will be the second most popular phone after the iPhone. More popular than a Galaxy S phone. Honestly, Android has alot of issues. Apple suits. Oracle suits.
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What this tells me is if the Lumia series could land in the US with a big carrier at the right time in its development cycle (Apollo) it will be the second most popular phone after the iPhone. More popular than a Galaxy S phone. Honestly, Android has alot of issues. Apple suits. Oracle suits.
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you honestly think consumers care that apple, google, and microsoft are suing each other when they, the consumer, goes to buy a phone ? do sales numbers reflect your belief in proportion to lawsuit wins/losses or some other metric ?
please, before you delusion yourself any further, do this:
conduct a post-sales survey of people walking out of bestbuy (or your favorite retailer) with the following three questions.
1) did you base your purchase on current lawyers' success, or the shiny screen ?
2) would you please name the last three court decisions which re-affirmed you were purchasing the right shiny device today ?
3) who one the superbowl, and which phone did you buy ?
i can guarantee you if you sample 100 random (as random as bestbuy customers walking out of the store on a sunny day are anyway) customers, they will not be able to answer questions number one and two. Number 3 will be a two part answer, so it will reallllllly trip of some folks, and likely take a few minutes. bring your lunch !
while there was some humor involved, hopefully you will see the grounding of the questions in reality and how the majority of people not only do not know the answers, but do not care.
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also-
you mentioned that the lumia may/could land the second place in sales behind the iphone. if you really believe this, you don't need to conduct the survey above. just whistle louder and the voices will go away.
OK seriously, not trolling, not looking for an argument. I'd just like to legitimately know what I'm missing out by using a WP7 device as my primary phone over an Android handset (or even an iOS one if anyone wants to touch on that). Like what software features I'm missing out on, etc.
My Omnia 7 is the first smart phone I bought for myself, and the first one I've used for an extended period of time. I'm not far off being able to upgrade my handset and I'd really like to hear from some people who've used both. Or if anyone can point me to an article that gives a blow by blow feature set comparison of ICS and WP7.5, that'd be cool too. Also "must have" apps that WP7 lacks.
The good thing is that wp7 going very fast and fluid, which have 2 cores android but not anywhere near equal, Greetings
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OK seriously, not trolling, not looking for an argument. I'd just like to legitimately know what I'm missing out by using a WP7 device as my primary phone over an Android handset (or even an iOS one if anyone wants to touch on that). Like what software features I'm missing out on, etc.
My Omnia 7 is the first smart phone I bought for myself, and the first one I've used for an extended period of time. I'm not far off being able to upgrade my handset and I'd really like to hear from some people who've used both. Or if anyone can point me to an article that gives a blow by blow feature set comparison of ICS and WP7.5, that'd be cool too. Also "must have" apps that WP7 lacks.
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The way things stand right NOW, Android and iOS have more apps to offer and more functionality. That's a given and there's no need to debate the point. However, what you need and what I need are probably worlds apart. What I'm missing in WP7 is not being missed because neither Android or iOS offer it either. That being said, the functionality I really need hasn't been around since Windows Mobile 6.1 and that is a sad statement.
Bugs.
xD
And tons of apps I guess.
A decent kernel, a decent multitask, decent apps, tons of developers, market share, bugs, fragmentation. You feel the difference when youneed to multitask mainly when it comes about chat apps, like Kik and WhatsApp. The WP7 multitasking is awful ;/
You receive the message, hold the back, reopen the same instance of the app, and the message doesnt show up. So you need to close the app and open again to see it.
I love the whole OS but the mulstitask. Otherwise, Android sucks so bad.
Hmm.. Android
- always gives you a choice!
- allows you to open, save any file you want
- allows you to send any file via e-mail not only picture (sic!)
- allows you to use USSD codes and menus (WP supports only one way USSD queries) (to explain USSD are codes that are "dialed" to check balance, activate services and so on)
- allows you to send files over bluetooth and connect to devices like GPS and other that require serial port profile
- is extensible - consider "share this" functionality.. on android every application can register itself to handle specific type of actions - so if you decide to share a link to currently browsed page you can perform "share" action and you will be given a choice of any app that is installed. in WP you can only use services that Microsoft has implemented (only pictures can be shared by any app)
- can open any file or url with specific app - app can register to handle specific file types or url schemes - so if you navigate to something that begins with http://youtube... you are given a choice whether you want to open this in browser or with youtube app.. or whaterver is installed
- supports single sign on - note that if you use google apps like google reader, gmail, g+ you define your google account only once. In WP you have to provide credentials to every app (like skydrive - by microsoft - it requires to provide live credentials despite the fact that you have already set up your live account in system settings) stupid and unconvenient
- has much better apps and cheaper! in my opinion most of apps in WP marketplace are crap... (early days?)
- sometimes is screwed by manufacturers (like somsung with its ugly touchwizz)...
- fully supports mms
- works out of box, but if feel advanced allows you to tune it
- isn't always so smooth... but hey.. depends on the app - there are many WP7 apps that aren't so smooth as the "main" UI.... it is not the platform!!! it is developers that are responsible for writing it right!
- real multi tasking - real background services with no weird restrictions like in WP7 (they say its because of battery/performance reasons - bull****... see below).
- decent api that allows to create usefull apps
- ...
I'm using lumia 800 for a month now.. and can't wait till i get my HTC One S and will be back to android (was using nexus s).
And one thing.. as for lumia 800. Even with newest firmware this thing SUCKS as it goes to batter life.. 18h this is the max what i managed to get having 3 push email accounts, twitter and facebook (+facebook chat). This is crap... really.
With nexus s I can get 36h+ with no problems.
If you have any further questions - ask.
Multitasking that doesn't suck
We don't have bugs, few of us have short battery life, (my gs2 lasted less than an hour), we don't have lag, we don't have a virus-riddled marketplace, did I mention lag?
mikeeam said:
A decent kernel...
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Whole new Kernel coming in <1 yr.
emdzej said:
- allows you to send files over bluetooth and connect to devices like GPS and other that require serial port profile
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Why connect your phone to a GPS when it already comes with a FREE GPS app and maps of the entire world? It's less clutter to just use one device.
Demaar said:
What does Android have that WP7 doesn't?
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I don't use andriod but I checked it out before purchasing my Lumia 900. The obvious difference is Windows Phone is missing Apps. The other thing is apparently multitasking is currently better on Andriod.
Of course with Windows Phone you miss out on this...
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Whole new Kernel coming in <1 yr.
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Still we don't know if current devices are upgradable.
sitizenx said:
Why connect your phone to a GPS when it already comes with a FREE GPS app and maps of the entire world? It's less clutter to just use one device.
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It was just an example, there are a lot of devices that can be connected via bluetooth. Maybe this is not common but to give you example: lego mindstorms nxt
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Of course with Windows Phone you miss out on this...
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Yep... and with Tango and restrictions for 256MB devices, possible WP8 not for current devices it will begin to be the same with WP... sadly
In general.. it depends what you use your phone for and what you expect.
In my opinion WP is perfect for someone that just uses it call, text, share photos on facebook, but it lacks serious features, and it's API... gosh... it is so limited.
If everyone could use interop, not only "trusted" partners. This could change everything.
I really like WP... but it is not that kind of device I need to use every day.
3rd party apps can not integrate with the phone. I know that Microsoft dosn't want to promote google.. but wouldn't it be nice if someone could write an app that would provide google talk integration in message hub?
I need VOIP... real one, not some ****ty skype that dosn't run in the background, but real SIP. No luck.
WP reminds me times when phones had their own "OS" (not symbian) and apps were j2me...
I don't know your particular needs and what you may be missing as a result, but I can tell you that Office integration via SkyDrive is pretty sweet. Now that SD has a desktop client that syncs a folder (like Dropbox but 7GB for free), I can manage my simple spreadsheets from my phone. I'm in the process now of moving some trackings that I did on paper at a few stores to excel files that I can manage on my phone as needed, or from my computer. This is very handy as far as I'm concerned.
There's a lot to lose going to WP7, depending on your needs, but a lot to gain as well. WP7 makes the perfect "starter" smart phone. I like to geek out on my phones, like any Fandroid, but WP7 just makes me happy to use. I think it's the scrolling.
Good luck in whatever you decide!
Is there a comic book reader yet?
Also its not just the missing apps, the apps that are available are missing key features ie Game Time is missing the stream live games feature. Score Center doesnt have the Watch app to go with it.
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emdzej said:
In general.. it depends what you use your phone for and what you expect.
In my opinion WP is perfect for someone that just uses it call, text, share photos on facebook, but it lacks serious features, and it's API... gosh... it is so limited.
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Really? That's all Windows Phone is good for? What about the FREE GPS app that comes with every Lumia 900 with up to date downloadable maps? That one app is worth far more to me than 100,000 Andriod apps.
I use adobe reader, amazon kindle, a weather app, ebay, whatsapp, check three different email accounts and surf the web on my LTE phone. That's a pretty robust experience. The only thing that really irks me is the lack of good multitasking with whatsapp. I use skype for video calls and it works fine. I have unlimited mobile to mobile minutes so I can call anyone for free in the United States so there is little need for a VOIP service.
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vetvito said:
Is there a comic book reader yet?
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You may find this hard to believe but I haven't checked.
pillsburydoughman said:
Multitasking that doesn't suck
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The funny thing is, I wish the multitasking on my Transformer was more like WP7 with saving the state.
To each their own...
Android has free GPS navigation, it's called Google Maps
Android is open source, so you can see how your phone is running (WP7 does not run on open source).
Android has a much larger development community.
Chevron can't touch our unlocked phones.
Live tiles, while cool, are extremely restrictive. If you don't want Metro UI then you're screwed. In Android, you can run iOS style if you want, or Metro UI or Android UI...your choice.
That's off the top of my head. Windows Phones are fine for people who only want a smartphone for the sake of saying they own a smartphone (much the same demographic as iOS). However, for serious tech enthusiasts and people who just want more out of their device, Android is the way to go.
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You may find this hard to believe but I haven't checked.
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Thanks.
To the one mentioning bluetooth file transfer, come on man its 2012. Wifi direct is far superior.
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PoorCollegeGuy said:
Android has free GPS navigation, it's called Google Maps
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Unfortunately as I understand it you can't download whole states or countries to use offline. Big limitation.
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Android is open source, so you can see how your phone is running (WP7 does not run on open source).
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Average user doesn't care. As long as my phone works I have no desire to "see how your phone is running." I also never lift the hood of my car.
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Android has a much larger development community.
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Neither I nor the majority of users care. As long as we get the apps we need we are happy.
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Chevron can't touch our unlocked phones.
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Most phone users don't know what Chevron is or what a developer unlocked phone is.
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Live tiles, while cool, are extremely restrictive.
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Most users don't care. As long as they do their jobs well I don't even notice them.
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If you don't want Metro UI then you're screwed.
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If you don't like Metro then you also don't own a Windows Phone.
PoorCollegeGuy said:
Windows Phones are fine for people who only want a smartphone for the sake of saying they own a smartphone (much the same demographic as iOS). However, for serious tech enthusiasts and people who just want more out of their device, Android is the way to go.
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For 99.9% of us it's a phone. It's not an item to gain techy bragging rights. My Lumia 900 is faster on wireless internet than 99% of Andriod phones out there. So Andriod owners can sit around talking about the number of cores in their phones and meanwhile I'm getting my work done and I'm on my way.
What I have noticed is the lack of apps. Also the lack of phones. The lack of developers. Multitasking is a joke.
What wp7 has that's good? UI, smooth system, its always vanilla (as it should be)
When talking about wp7 vs android vs IPhone android is the the clear winner. Followed by wp7 and iPhone. My first smartphone was an iPhone, then I went to wp7, then android, then iPhone and now I'm android for life.
But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the Metro UI on my Galaxy Note...
I also run a zune themed music player, wp7 email, and more.
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What I have noticed is the lack of apps. Also the lack of phones. The lack of developers. Multitasking is a joke.
What wp7 has that's good? UI, smooth system, its always vanilla (as it should be)
When talking about wp7 vs android vs IPhone android is the the clear winner. Followed by wp7 and iPhone. My first smartphone was an iPhone, then I went to wp7, then android, then iPhone and now I'm android for life.
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Thats a bold statement. Maybe a tattoo of 'Android for Life' to prove your allegiance? ;p
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Unfortunately as I understand it you can't download whole states or countries to use offline. Big limitation.
Yes you can, there's guides for it.
Average user doesn't care. As long as my phone works I have no desire to "see how your phone is running." I also never lift the hood of my car.
If you'd read my statement at the bottom, I said WP7 was fine for the "average user who just wants a smartphone for the sake of owning a smartphone". This covers your comment here.
Neither I nor the majority of users care. As long as we get the apps we need we are happy.
I would very much like to see where the majority of users agreed to have you as a spokesman. If you didn't care about that stuff, then why are you on XDA Developers? The point of this website is the aftermarket development of devices. This is where people go when they care about development. The setting this conversation is taking place in directly contradicts your opinion here.
Most phone users don't know what Chevron is or what a developer unlocked phone is.
And that's ultimately why WP7 will forever be inferior to Android in the world of unlocking and rooting.
Most users don't care. As long as they do their jobs well I don't even notice them.
Once again I'd love to see the thread, article, tweet, etc that shows the whole world is behind you on this. One of the biggest and most talked about features on Android are the customizable widgets and making your phone look how you want it. With WP7, you can't do that. You're stuck with tiles whether you like them or not.
If you don't like Metro then you also don't own a Windows Phone.
That's exactly what I said but I meant more as in "even if I liked the features of WP7 over the features of Android, the restrictions of the UI itself may prevent me from getting one". The UI holds the phone back a whole bunch because not everyone likes it. If you don't like your Android UI, you can change it to match a phone you enjoy the UI of more. This gives it mass commercial appeal for both rooted and non rooted users. You are vastly (and I mean vastly) underestimating the impact of customization. If Android wants Metro UI, well as you can see with Orange_furball's post above, you can have it. If you want Android theme or iOS theme on your WP7, then you have to go out and buy one of those devices. It's bass ackwards.
For 99.9% of us it's a phone. It's not an item to gain techy bragging rights. My Lumia 900 is faster on wireless internet than 99% of Andriod phones out there. So Andriod owners can sit around talking about the number of cores in their phones and meanwhile I'm getting my work done and I'm on my way.
Once more, I would like to see your statistics where you can confidently speak for the entire user base. I'd also like to see your statistics where you can speak for 99% of Android phones and their WiFi performance. I'd also like to see your credentials to speak for the Android community as a whole. You seem to be taking a lot of liberties with the opinions of people who have never met you. That doesn't help your argument at all as I will only listen to the opinions of those people, not their opinions as assumed by you.
But for the sake of argument, go check out the OS mobile market shares and you'll find that WP7 is under 10% (I believe even under 5%). So even if you were speaking for "everyone" with WP7, you're still not speaking for the other 95%+ that own a cell phone worldwide.
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