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WP7s on HD2 - Is it possible?

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So I'm wondering what the concensus is. Are we going to see this or not?
The official word is obviously that there will be no upgrade for the HD2, but people seem to have hope in the community here. I'm not much of a dev/hacker to know for sure, so I'm wondering what you guys think...
The issues I'm hearing are:
Hardware buttons
GPU
On-board storage
Upscalling
The hardware buttons are obviously a non-issue. And from what MS is saying, despite not being able to swap out memory cards, SD storage can be used by OEMs to supplement on-board storage. But I dont know about the GPU and upscaling. Are these built in to the HD2 already? Is the upscaling a hardware or software issue? Are these things a deal breaker??

This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....

I don't see anyone NOT putting it on there, especially when it hits America (If it hasn't already that is)
HOWEVER, i highly doubt you will want to use it. THey are going the iphone route. NO more File explorer and open source and multi tasking. All the things that made WinMO popular are apparently disappearing.
Disappoints me really. I jumped on the Android train. My first PDA was a dell X50

Bababooey said:
This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....
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just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?

pgiuoco said:
just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?
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that's what im doing, 4 more days! cannot wait to get my hands on this beast!

All because of $$ !!
M$ want more developer to developes more app and game for WP7S, in order to do that, u need to convince developer that they can make $$ for the app. Currently it is to easy to get craXXk app for WinMo.
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
My only wish is : Hopefully M$ don't be hash on XDA, cos i believe XDA will make something interesting from WP7S for HD2 ... i believe.

Althought I'm glad others are showing interest, I was hoping to make this a technical discussion around the facts of whether it can or cannot happen. And maybe at this point the answer is "we dont know." But hopefully we'll get more answers in time...

I think the question is not whether or not the HD2 will receive the upgrade to 7. Officially or unofficially, I think its just a matter of time. May not be as soon as youd like, but I't will get there. Its more a question of how relevant the HD2 will be be the time win7 is made available to it. Also, will there be able to be some kind of dual boot option available. The way 7 is shaping up, I'm not too enthused about only having 7. I would use 7 for gaming, social use, and winMo 6.5 when I'm looking to get my hands dirty.

Is it a Tomtom icon we can see? is the old version or is tomtom already developpe a new one in Sylverlight?

AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app

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AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app
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No, that image was published on winmo.nl during the Barcelona unveiling of WP7, long before any WP7 skins were created.
Right now it looks like it was either fake (just an HD2 showing a WP7 picture on its screen) or an early development version of the OS, not destined to ever be released on the HD2.
Winmo.nl claimed the TomTom app worked fine on WP7, possibly because 'tomtom was already preparing their software for WP7'.

saints5354 said:
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
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It'll probably be iPhone 5g before WP7 will be any threat. iPhone 4g is probably coming out in June/July, a few months before WP7 is even out.

Though the HD2 is a fantastic device and loved by anyone (incl myself) who lays their hands on it, you can't help but feel somewhat bitter that a device of such magnitude is just going to be ANOTHER HTC phone almost solely kept alive by xda-developers.
You can see MS's reasoning. You can love the sheer beauty of the HD2. But Jesus - think of the potential going to waste and how it comes across to consumers who hear 'hey, your device is outdated already'. Consumers that haven't even got the device available in their country yet.
One word - Flash. THAT'S reason enough to be at least a little pissed off as an HD2 user.
A joke, it is - but in XDA I trust.

unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7

If the HD2 has a WP7 test build running on it somewhere at HTC and it gets leaked the HD2 should easily get an unofficial upgrade but if that doesn't happen it won't be easy.

bestfan said:
unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7
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You're clearly new to this part of town...

camera hardware button is also a requirement...

an interesting key i found on my T-Mobile HD2 HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\WM7KeybdLayout.

Very strange indeed

I'm pretty sure hardware keys would be irrellivant to getting this on the phone.
My understanding of the key requirements are based upon the chassis version been used with WP7. I think these are basically stipulated purely for the user experience Microsoft are trying to give and not software limitations.

Guess What Comes After the HTC HD2? The HD2 Pro

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It'd be nice thats for sure... too bad there has been NO sign of something like this at all... and this hypothetical article was written in October of 09 :S I can only imagine how bulky a phone that big would be with a keyboard. I'd still do the upgrade though!
Here's hoping the next flagship winmo phone they come out with has a flash for the camera on top of a sliding keyboard as well. I cant believe they got rid of the flash from the touch pro. Stupid stupid stupid.

Actually, theres been very recent speculation about this device appearing. Of course it wont be exactly like the picture, but HTC are working on a HD2 + Keyboard variant.

Seems like a pretty safe assumption that they'll release a new high end slider this year, just like they have every other year.
so that brings us to the summer of 2010 for the HD2 Pro release.
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Guess we can assume AT&T will get it some time in 2011 then

after microsoft dumbs down their os, it should be called the hd2-iphone...

cris_rowlands said:
Actually, theres been very recent speculation about this device appearing. Of course it wont be exactly like the picture, but HTC are working on a HD2 + Keyboard variant.
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Got a link to that recent speculation that you could share?

since im on sprint i want an EVO Pro

I'd say the HD2 is gonna be tmobiles flagship phone for a while. No other phone really comes close to it, except the TP2. And thats just a scaled down HD2 with a slide out. I would say the evo 4 would be a good candidate but with the 3 hours of battery life I don't think we can put it in the same group. Yes a couple friends got one and are shocked they have to start recharging on their lunch hour.

maxpower097 said:
I'd say the HD2 is gonna be tmobiles flagship phone for a while. No other phone really comes close to it, except the TP2. And thats just a scaled down HD2 with a slide out. I would say the evo 4 would be a good candidate but with the 3 hours of battery life I don't think we can put it in the same group. Yes a couple friends got one and are shocked they have to start recharging on their lunch hour.
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tmo is soon getting the nexus one and the garmin phone...
your friends must be new to htc devices if they are shocked by the poor battery life...since my 1st htc i have kept a charger by my bed, in the car, & at the job (when i used to work for "the man")

Why would any manufacturer release a new killer Windows Mobile phone at this point? Windows mobile is a dead platform. Windows Phone 7 and Android will be getting the high end hardware. A company would be moronic to release a killer device on a dead platform a mere couple of months before the launch of its replacement.

muyoso said:
Why would any manufacturer release a new killer Windows Mobile phone at this point? Windows mobile is a dead platform. Windows Phone 7 and Android will be getting the high end hardware. A company would be moronic to release a killer device on a dead platform a mere couple of months before the launch of its replacement.
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I think there will be a bevy of winmo products to come out...i hope so as i don't want an i-phone, oops i mean wp7...a dumbed down, closed platform is not for me...that's why i got rid of my sidekick years ago...

da9th_one said:
I think there will be a bevy of winmo products to come out...i hope so as i don't want an i-phone, oops i mean wp7...a dumbed down, closed platform is not for me...that's why i got rid of my sidekick years ago...
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unfortunately its the dumbed down iphones and sidekicks that are popular
i only hope the next killer slider phone is an android device, and not WP7

defaultdotxbe said:
unfortunately its the dumbed down iphones and sidekicks that are popular
i only hope the next killer slider phone is an android device, and not WP7
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i tried android when the g1 came out...wasn't too impressed with it...i attempted to edit a word doc on it, to no avail...although they claim it's an open os, it is far from it...if no more windows 6.5 device don't become available i don't know what ima do...

Am I the only one to notice that this image was created from a photo of the HD2 and the slide out keyboard "bottom half" of a TP2?​

dharvey4651 said:
Am I the only one to notice that this image was created from a photo of the HD2 and the slide out keyboard "bottom half" of a TP2?​
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lmao. of course there will be a windows ppc w/slideout one of these days, the question is when??? whenever it is, ill get one, but until then im holding on to my tp2 .

puff601 said:
lmao. of course there will be a windows ppc w/slideout one of these days, the question is when??? whenever it is, ill get one, but until then im holding on to my tp2 .
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I don't understand your post, unless you meant Windows 7 PPC w/slideout.
The TP2 is a Windows PPC with slide out keyboard.

Don't hold your breath
Now that MS has gone to WM7 I do not expect anyone to make any new models that run WM 6.x. I think the TP2 is the last of the breed.
However, maybe people can adapt WM7 hardware to run a version of WM6.5.x. But I doubt it - the drivers would have to be re-written.
The main reason I've stayed with WM is all the applications I've accumulated over the years. Since WM 7 is NOT backwards compatible with previous WM software, I think that I may try a different OS this time.
Plus, others have posted that WM 7 is derived from Windows Vista. Who wants that?
I would have expected them to use Windows 7 as a base, but I imagine when they started WM 7 they only had Vista.

It´s really not important what OS will have as long as it´s a great device with REAL keyboard!

stevedebi said:
I don't understand your post, unless you meant Windows 7 PPC w/slideout.
The TP2 is a Windows PPC with slide out keyboard.
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what is there not to understand? WM5, WM6, WM6.1, WM 6.5, and Window Phone 7 are all WINDOWS right??? there will be new phone with a hardware keyboard and WINDOWS software ONE of the days...

HTC HD2 Upgrade
Gentlemen,
First of all i appreciate and thanks the XDAdevelopers this is the only excellent website with all the professional and technical information and the software downloads.
Further, HTC has lunched HTC HD2 very nice PPC to make it more better it shall have all the futures of Nokia N95 (Gps, Wifi, Bluetooth, infrared, 5MP camera with flash front and rear and 2 speakers)

[Q] Windows 7 on HTC Evo?

I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?

Jaimemex said:
I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?
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First, before you get hammered, this question belongs in Q&A, not the development section.
It sounds interesting and would be cool to see it happen but I don't think it would be easy. Each driver would have to be ported to the phone and such.
Possible but unlikely but who knows? There as some amazing devs out there.

Jaimemex said:
I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?
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Why do you feel this question belongs in this forum? And like ricsim said, possible but unlikely. Take a lot of work to do such a thing, and the devs seem pretty busy lately, trying to port something like that would post pone their current work.

Thats funny because just the other day I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?

[email protected] said:
Thats funny because just the other day I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?
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This made me LOL. WRONG FORUM YOU FOO'!

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you again! lol

Haha sorry man, I couldn't help myself.....
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westicle said:
Haha sorry man, I couldn't help myself.....
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it's kool bro lol

This might not be too bad of an idea. Have any of you nay-sayers actually used a WP7 device? I would bet no. It's not a phone that could replace my EVO, but the interface is kinda cool. It would be neat to dual boot WP7 - just because. It saves you from having to buy an expensive WP7 to use it infrequently. I think it's a cool idea, but I don't think there is support for it.

I would also love to see this idea come around, more as another ROM for our phones than anything else, just because I would like to try the interface and I like the idea of having Xbox LIVE on my phone, as well as having a choice of OS's, like Sense and AOSP. Maybe someone out there would like to contribute some time to this?

Windows 7, no. The NT kernel is x86/x64.
Windows Phone 7, technically it meets the requirements, but that's what the HD7 and other WP7 phones are for.

Windows Phone 7, of course. The title of this thread is a little off (Sorry OP). And yes, while we could all certainly go buy Windows Phone 7 devices, why would we do so if our EVOs that we already have are more than capable of handling it?

In terms of specs, the Evo meets the requirement. But there is no other way right now to flash a different OS on the Evo like there was in the case of the HD2 booting Android. There is a tablet coming out or is already out that can dual boot Android and WindowsCE6. So we might be able to find something from that if anything comes out of it. But it wouldn't do any good right now even if WP7 was running on the Evo, you need the genuine Windows phone services, which the HD2 doesn't have since it's not a certified Windows 7 phone.

You can flash Ubuntu to the EVO, I would define that as a different OS.

Ubuntu is also a unix based linux OS like Android. Windows 7 Phone isn't. You're not really flashing Ubuntu on there either, you're really just loading it onto the SD card like you would for Android on the HD2. There were and are tools available for WinMo 6.5 to boot linux on that device and other WinMo devices, but nothing like that for Android devices to boot up CE kernels and OS.

Simple answer:
Not going to happen.
Why?
Android is open. The devs can modify the source to tailor it to a device. Windows Mobile and iOS are not.[/thread]

There won't ever be a worthwhile WP7 port unless you can remove the stick from M$'s butt, because as Team DFT put it "Microsoft's Genuine Software check will basically disable all cloud based services like Zune, Marketplace and Xbox Live if the system can't pull a valid key from the handset's motherboard."
Which means, if your device wasn't pre-loaded with WP7, WP7 won't work on your device. Now they have ported it to other phones, and run it, calls, ect. They just can't access the materials that make WP7 what it is.
So you will need to expect to buy and install a mod chip in your Evo to trick a future WP7 port into thinking your phone is a WP7 phone, or you will need to accept the fact that no phone other than a WP7 phone will be able to fully utilize the software.

Is anyone getting the HTC one?

I think that there is a quad core HTC one s coming out for the Tmobile line of phones. Anyone getting it, more undoubtedly there is an gs blaze being released add an addition to the galaxy s series of phones which is a hype looking at how we already have an original s and s2 all this does is make the galaxy s team further.
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Not a quad core......
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not with the S3 right around the corner

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not with the S3 right around the corner
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Do you really want to stay on the samsung boat? Android 5.0 is going to be launched this year, and youll have to wait 4+ months for an update again. When i jump shop, its to a phone with a running non-beta CM9. Its clear this phone has nothing in terms of CM and waiting till summer for ICS is simply pathetic on Samsungs part.

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Do you really want to stay on the samsung boat? Android 5.0 is going to be launched this year, and youll have to wait 4+ months for an update again. When i jump shop, its to a phone with a running non-beta CM9. Its clear this phone has nothing in terms of CM and waiting till summer for ICS is simply pathetic on Samsungs part.
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That's what I'm saying. This will probably be my last carrier subsidized phone period. Waiting on Samsung and then waiting on the carrier is a joke. This phone has been a big disappointment. I like the phone, but its like the red headed step child of the galaxy phones. This along with the skyrocket. I stopped waiting on ICS a while ago. Samsung is so hush mouth about updates. Makes you think they will do anything to get you to buy another phone. No thanks Sammy.
When we finally get ICS it will be dated and the next best thing will be out. By then the gsII will be yesterdays news. Google really needs to be more like Apple with updates. They are starting to leave a bad taste for me. This may sound like a rant but its true.

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I think that there is a quad core HTC one s coming out for the Tmobile line of phones. Anyone getting it, more undoubtedly there is an gs blaze being released add an addition to the galaxy s series of phones which is a hype looking at how we already have an original s and s2 all this does is make the galaxy s team further.
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The HTC one S seems like a small downgrade of the amaze....like the blaze is a downgrade of the s2
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i wouldn't go HTC until they go back to making quality phones. They went downhill lately with crappy battery life and cheap lcd displays. just like how samsung had a slump until the gs2's got released

I'm looking at the Asus Padphone or the SGS3, depending on which one comes out with an AWS or Pentaband version.

The HTC one x is the one with the quad-core
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Mitallust said:
I'm looking at the Asus Padphone or the SGS3, depending on which one comes out with an AWS or Pentaband version.
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Asus has been quite good on updates with their current devices. If they keep that up id consider asus products in the future.
But at this point, im so sick of the android fragmentation that its either gonna be the google phone, or an iphone. Windows phones are starting to look more and more tempting to, specially with Windows 8 coming and whatever integration they have planned.
Even the google phones might get screwed on the CDMA side, and my carrier is CDMA only.
But its become quite clear that they havent finished ICS for the intl GSII, and probably havent started ours even. The CM team has nothing either. Have heard rumors that Cyanogen himself uses a T989 but i really doubt it, cause wed have an alpha at least.

Rekzer said:
Asus has been quite good on updates with their current devices. If they keep that up id consider asus products in the future.
But at this point, im so sick of the android fragmentation that its either gonna be the google phone, or an iphone. Windows phones are starting to look more and more tempting to, specially with Windows 8 coming and whatever integration they have planned.
Even the google phones might get screwed on the CDMA side, and my carrier is CDMA only.
But its become quite clear that they havent finished ICS for the intl GSII, and probably havent started ours even. The CM team has nothing either. Have heard rumors that Cyanogen himself uses a T989 but i really doubt it, cause wed have an alpha at least.
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Been using wp7. For the last two 1/2 months and although the apps aren't there yet, its been a refreshing change from all this ICS mess. Once T-Mobile comes out with a 4.3 or higher screen size, I will probably make a full switch.
I miss some of my apps and games though. Then again my ps3 takes care of the gaming issue. Wp7 runs so much smoother. Its nice to take a break from android.

Jjday7 said:
Been using wp7. For the last two 1/2 months and although the apps aren't there yet, its been a refreshing change from all this ICS mess. Once T-Mobile comes out with a 4.3 or higher screen size, I will probably make a full switch.
I miss some of my apps and games though. Then again my ps3 takes care of the gaming issue. Wp7 runs so much smoother. Its nice to take a break from android.
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Ya dude, with win8 tablets n all that coming, i think WP8 is my next upgrade when i think about it. MS/Nokia are making some high quality products.

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This discussion belongs in General, not here in the T-Mobile Samsung GSII section.

[Q] iphone 5 vs samsung note 2

Hi, i have always been having this problem..I go between iis and android all the time..my hand has been customed to the note 2 already but I realky like the pic of the iphone and the other thing that gets me is that every time they do a update..every body gets it, in the ither hand android we have to wait for a wave to come out to selected phone..im just woundering..what are ur preferences in this iphone vs note 2.

I owned iphone 2G, 3G, 4, 4S, Galaxy S III and an iphone 5, now a galaxy note 2. I honestly will admit i miss the ios eco system. My entire family has iphones, and trying to group chat, face time etc is none existent on the android to apple device.
But I do love the big giant screen of the galaxy note 2! also the customizability. Its actually a lose lose for me.

I had every iphone up to the 4. Never looked back after switching.
Now, whenever I pick up an iphone, i wash my hands to make sure I don't get AIDS and use eyedrops to make sure I don't go blind from the puny screen.

there is sort of an unwritten rule on XDA about discussing Ibones, so, do yourself and every one else here a favor, and don't post about that POS on xda any more...

wase4711 said:
there is sort of an unwritten rule on XDA about discussing Ibones, so, do yourself and every one else here a favor, and don't post about that POS on xda any more...
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it was just a question and i was just wondering about other ppls opinion, if you have the rules and laws of what to write and not to write shoot it trough so i can be more update on these violations.

superman8788 said:
it was just a question and i was just wondering about other ppls opinion, if you have the rules and laws of what to write and not to write shoot it trough so i can be more update on these violations.
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I can never go back to an iphone. I had the 4s and my wife still has the 4. Whenever I grab her phone for something I feel like I'm holding a watch phone or something. It's just too small. Even my friend's 5 feels way too small. On that point alone I'll never be able to return to IOS unless they release a MINIMUM of 5 inches. And even that seems not enough now. I wouldn't mind the Note 3 going to 5.7 or 5.8 inches.

superman8788 said:
it was just a question and i was just wondering about other ppls opinion, if you have the rules and laws of what to write and not to write shoot it trough so i can be more update on these violations.
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If you want to ask a question about the I phone go ahead, not everyone feels as one of the above posters feels.
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I can respect that, specially coming from my friend Joe. But people! Can we just get along!!
I'm not an addict I just flash a lot.

Im mad bro
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LuRock said:
Is there a bunch of little kids here or childish adults? I think this fan crap is retarted! I feel like I'm in the middle of a nerd war. Its kinda like west coast rap against east coast rap. Who the heck cares? In this world everyone is different and have different preferences. I don't think anyone is gonna loose any sleep over who likes what smartphone or OS. If someone has a question about the iPhone than what's the big deal? I'm sure there a lot of x iPhone users here that can answer or give their opinion on the question that has been asked. Seriously all this kindergarten crap about you suck I'm better needs to stop! Damit!!!!!!!
Did I convince anyone?
I'm not an addict I just flash a lot.
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Exactly ... Ex iPhone user should be allowed to answer/ask questions com pairing devices. It should be our goal as droid lover to answer respectfully and honestly without all of the nasty comments.
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Ios is for people who dont like to think about their phone. Android is for everyone else
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I don't know about you, but whats the point?
iOS 3
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iOS 5
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iOS 7 (?)
Most likely will be:

ios is for someone that wants stuff to work out of the box but at the same time very restricted ob what you can do basically a souped up ipod...
Android plane and simple more like a computer, especially when ubuntu phone os drops... Android you can do anything you want out of the box... lol have they even jailbroken ios 6 on i4s/I5 yet... android: has xda and many other sources developers ever met a phone we could not root and gain full access to... hmm I dont know of any... ive owned almost every android and owned every iphone except the 5... ill never permanently own an idevice lol, to nazi for me like old windows nt
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wase4711 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1883790&highlight=iphone+threads
end of story
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This isnt an iphone thread, it an iphone vs note 2 and what should I buy thread.
End of story
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