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I think wm is dead, let's get android! or is it just me

just returned my iphone, its like a pretty blonde; hot on the outside but nothing on the inside. i think wm is pretty much dead though; android will usher in a new era. i think we should just dismiss the last gen roms and look forward. Its obvious from apple releasing sdks for their tight ass phone that android has a little more than something up their sleeve; cant wait to see what htc devices deliver

Yep, it's just you.

I beg to differ, if you put WM in the hands of a decent development house you could come up with a very nice looking device
http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en

tonyb15re said:
I beg to differ, if you put WM in the hands of a decent development house you could come up with a very nice looking device
http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en
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*drools* i can't wait for this to be released

I think windows mobile is gonna be around for a while yet until something else more stable & reliable comes along. Going by the phone in link above, WM is here to stay for quite some time!!

kaalgoosy said:
just returned my iphone, its like a pretty blonde; hot on the outside but nothing on the inside. i think wm is pretty much dead though; android will usher in a new era. i think we should just dismiss the last gen roms and look forward. Its obvious from apple releasing sdks for their tight ass phone that android has a little more than something up their sleeve; cant wait to see what htc devices deliver
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You can jailbreak an iphone and install a ton of useful apps today already...
I'm waiting for the next iphone with 3G and hopefully built in GPS.

Blonde jailbait?

The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime

C Brown said:
The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime
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ROFL, hey Charlie, the "sickest" device?

penguin20000 said:
*drools* i can't wait for this to be released
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Looks Great, probably going to be $399 at least. The film (Commercial) is pretty stupid, doesn't show any features of the phone, just a bunch of paper airplanes.
Anyone know a release date on this baby?

C Brown said:
The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime
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See its specification, if the price is as rumors around 700$ the Xperia X1 will be a killer of all other WM devices. I wonder why HTC doesn´t have any revolution model up coming. I prefer the high resolution display and small smart design.

Like to see this one when it comes out.
details look good.
http://www.elite-electronix.com/smartphones-213/meizu-255/meizu-m8-minione-16gb-unlocked-1379.html

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Blonde jailbait?
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Looks Great, probably going to be $399 at least. The film (Commercial) is pretty stupid, doesn't show any features of the phone, just a bunch of paper airplanes.
Anyone know a release date on this baby?
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$399----wow, that is a low estimate. if the tytn i is still going for 400 i think the the x1 will be around 800-1000 when it first comes out.

jamal1782 said:
Like to see this one when it comes out.
details look good.
http://www.elite-electronix.com/smartphones-213/meizu-255/meizu-m8-minione-16gb-unlocked-1379.html
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Hmmm an iphone with WM on it, what a bad combination!!!! Oh and worst of all no keyboard, no use whatsoever as a business device... Nice toy if you like poking your screen with a stylus or smearing it with fingerprints...

I believe the expected release date for the xperia 1 is early 2009

I phoned the Sony Shop in the UK they said mid year.

excellent, I'm due a new phone bout then!

Windows mobile will die if microsoft doesn't quit being lazy
Windows mobile will die. Have you guys ever really thought about this operating system we're running on our hand helds. back inthe day you had desktops pushing 166mhz and running full installs of windows 95 and in some cases I've even seen 98 on that processor. And those system ran applicatiosn and did so with not much problems.
in 2008 many years in the future we have our handsets pushing 400mhz processors (hermes) and yet it lags when you chcange screen orientation. It lags to answer a phone call if your in landscape orientation.
That is utter rubbish. Microsoft got windows mobile code wrong the firstst ime it was bloated. The reason why it'll never improve exponentially is because microsoft does not like to do things over they will forever build up ontop of a bloated operating system.
We see the same thing happening in the desktop counteer part of their operating system. If android can drop a proper user interface to make users comfortable with using the device Then i see no reason why it wouldn't superceed windows mobile
hardware vendors would be more than happy if this was the case as licensing for windows mobile cost an arm and a leg.
but really think about it
166mhz ran a whole computers operating system with various application 400mhz can barely run the windows mobile operating system properly.
Thats just disgusting.

WM is already changing due to other operators including Apple, and they need to as people expect reliable, functional operating systems.
Yes I agree, microsoft are lazy, but with the introduction of android, apple etc, I think (hope) they are actually starting to sit up and take action.
If they come back with another unreliable WM then, people will start to look elsewhere and microsoft will be in trouble. Lets just hope they take note and sort it out now

If The Touch Pro 2 Didnt Exist What Pda/Phone Would You Have And Why?

If you didnt have the touch pro 2, what phone would you have instead and why?
I think i would go along with a blackberry. way before i turned to windows mobile i was a hardcore blackberry user.

charlieb620 said:
If you didnt have the touch pro 2, what phone would you have instead and why?
I think i would go along with a blackberry. way before i turned to windows mobile i was a hardcore blackberry user.
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If I didn't have my TP2, the money I put towards that would be enough to complete my time machine, which I would have used to go back 4 months and stopped the past sirphunkee from losing his Wizard, so the present sirphunkee could still have it and be happy
In other words, I'd still have winmo...just on another device, and most likely HTC.

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I'd still have winmo...just on another device, and most likely HTC.
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Yeah, what he said.

I'd run into HTC with a gun and hold the CEO hostage until a phone with a slide out keyboard, big screen, and running windows mobile or i'll blow the building up....but shhhhh you didnt hear that from me ah ha ah ha ha ah ah........ Maybe a Pure or a unlocked HD2

If I didnt have my touch pro 2, I'd still be using Touch Pro 1.
I wish touch pro 3 would come out soon with 4.3 inch screen and a slideout keyboard..

Droid/Milestone or a Nexus One
The only reason I have a TP2 is because last May/June I wasn't overly impressed with the SatNav software available for Android and was, like a number of manufacturers, waiting for v2 to be released.
I believe the Open Source model for software is the way forwards. Opens development to over 6 billion people

If Rhodium didn´t exist...
I would be still using my beloved Universal for 2 reasons:
- Keyboard is a must for me
- Universal has the best keyboard!
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Other than Uni, Probably I would be dead by waiting for Tera to be available for upgrade

I would NOT do a BB - no sense in going backwards!
Might have to think about an Android just for the FUN of it - maybe the Hero or maybe, maybe the Nexus (after they fix some of the "issues").
But for real work, probably have to find a WinMo - the John Deere of OS

sirphunkee said:
If I didn't have my TP2, the money I put towards that would be enough to complete my time machine, which I would have used to go back 4 months and stopped the past sirphunkee from losing his Wizard, so the present sirphunkee could still have it and be happy
In other words, I'd still have winmo...just on another device, and most likely HTC.
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Same but I would still have the Kaiser.

Kaiser. Definately.

Kaiser, or maybe Raphael, and would be eagerly awaiting HTC's next WinMo QWERTY slider.

if the touch pro 2 didnt come out id prolly still be on my original touch pro. if i had my choice though id prolly have the hd2. with the larger screen i realized i may not need the hardware keyboard as much. though if theres any plus to the tp2 it would be the keyboard. some times i wish i had the hd2 to i could go around smacking iphone users with it.

if i..
didnt have the TP2 i would most likely have the original TP. i wouldnt mind getting the hero or a HD2. The HD2 has a big nice juicy screen !!

UnusualSuspect said:
Kaiser, or maybe Raphael, and would be eagerly awaiting HTC's next WinMo QWERTY slider.
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Same here, but with my probably now dead 8525. That thing had maybe a month left before the self destruct sequence completed. In that case whichever HTC slider I could ebay for cheapest until the next one came out

HANDS DOWN...I'd find a way to revive my Wiz!!
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If I didn't have my TP2, the money I put towards that would be enough to complete my time machine, which I would have used to go back 4 months and stopped the past sirphunkee from losing his Wizard, so the present sirphunkee could still have it and be happy
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I'd second that!! My Wizard was THE BEST, and I miss it...a moment of silence please to honor and remember my beloved Wizard.
I really think that HTC broke the mold on that device...everything since then, like the Wing for instance, was just a joke until the Rhodium came along.
My gut told me to go with the TP2, but the Tmo guy managed to convince me to try the Cliq--HATED IT. Then he said try the Behold 2, HATED IT...so finally I said I want my WinMo back. He said that Droid was the next big thing, I said I wanted old faithful...and now I have my Rhodium and am as giddy as a tween girl at a Jonas concert!!

Touch Pro3

Just had a dinner with a friend of mine who is the main distributor for HTC in Europe, and he informed that they will receive the first shipment of Touch Pro3's this summer and they will be on sale in Europe third quarter of this year. This is my main contact for HTC devices and he arranges a Touch Pro2 for me 4 months before it was officially released...He told me that the device will be much smaller and thinner, and soon he will provide me with the evidence including the full specifications Do you guys think this would be something you would purchase or would you rather wait for the Windows Phone 7?

LocDogg said:
Just had a dinner with a friend of mine who is the main distributor for HTC in Europe, and he informed that they will receive the first shipment of Touch Pro3's this summer and they will be on sale in Europe third quarter of this year. This is my main contact for HTC devices and he arranges a Touch Pro2 for me 4 months before it was officially released...He told me that the device will be much smaller and thinner, and soon he will provide me with the evidence including the full specifications Do you guys think this would be something you would purchase or would you rather wait for the Windows Phone 7?
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I'm not crazy about WP7, at least the initial release of info. They've killed everything that was great about WinMo and opted for the locked-down, iPhone-like, walled garden approach. I'd love a TP3 with WM6.5.3, more RAM, and a Snapdragon processor...and US 3G bands.

That kind of processor does sound pretty sweet. And the capacitive touch screen. But no hardware keyboard... I don't know what I'd do without it, but thats just me.

LocDogg said:
Just had a dinner with a friend of mine who is the main distributor for HTC in Europe, and he informed that they will receive the first shipment of Touch Pro3's this summer and they will be on sale in Europe third quarter of this year. This is my main contact for HTC devices and he arranges a Touch Pro2 for me 4 months before it was officially released...He told me that the device will be much smaller and thinner, and soon he will provide me with the evidence including the full specifications Do you guys think this would be something you would purchase or would you rather wait for the Windows Phone 7?
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Definately but it would have to have the hard keyboard, otherwise it wouldn't be a touch pro would it?!
totally agree with dwboston ...I'm with 6.5.# with better specs Not sold on windows 7 at all so far.

osrix25 said:
Definately but it would have to have the hard keyboard, otherwise it wouldn't be a touch pro would it?!
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It would be a Touch or HD...The main reason I would buy TP would be because of the hard keyboard...

I'll wait for the first Windows 7 Phone that includes a decent keyboard. Hopefully HTC, but would consider SonyEricsson as well.

I won't be touching a Windows phone ever again after this.
TP2 was a major disappointment for me because of OS, underpowered processor, and (nit picky) the fact that Telus (Canada) would release the version that does not work on their HSPA network.
I'll be swapping to Palm / webOS -- ideally the newer model that will be launched around the same time with a larger display.

Do You Think Screen Shots Will be Released Soon?

LocDogg said:
soon he will provide me with the evidence including the full specifications Do you guys think this would be something you would purchase or would you rather wait for the Windows Phone 7?
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I think it would depend on what those specs are... and have a hw-keyboard, of course. I wouldn't buy if all I knew was the name "TP3".

Seriously doubt if I'll be having anything WM again unless something spectacular happens. I like the TP2 hardware but WM really disappoints. I read somewhere that the HD2 is a wonderful piece of hardware crippled by it's software and that's how I feel about the TP2.
Android for me next I think

theres no pictures or specs or anything of the touch pro 3. theres no reason we really need wm7, it doesnt seem to bring much besides a new interface. ill still have my touch pro 2. and if i still have it while the current version of windows mobile dies, i hope android will be as close to 100% running on it as possible. i hope i dont get pushed into buying an iphone.

I would go for HD2+keyboard as TP3..thats my simple & easiest solution for HTC..

corepda said:
I would go for HD2+keyboard as TP3..thats my simple & easiest solution for HTC..
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Same here. Actually that would be my only replacement for my tp2.

windows phone 7 4 me

The only negs have found with TP2 is
1. Weight ... but it gives a solid feel
2. Faster processor
3. The zoom bar is quite useless - either make screen bigger/create a 'dpad'/make device smaller (not screen)
Have installed ZoomBarPlus today so will see if use the zoom bar more
Other than that very happy with TP2 ...nothing else on maket that would even consider at the moment

i don't see how the tp3 would be the 'upgrade' from tp2, or even tp1 if it's the htc tera as rumoured and specs are indeed as leaked
in fact, it seems like a downgrade and a complete disgrace to the 'touch pro' line (although it only consists of 2 phones, 4 if u include the tytn and tytn 2)
wqvga and a 600mhz qualcomm cpu which STILL doesn't have proper drivers? oh c'mon HTC. our patience is running out

Isn't this old news? Also HTC Thropy is cming this summer. The Debug ROMS are already out on the web....

xmoo said:
Isn't this old news? Also HTC Thropy is cming this summer. The Debug ROMS are already out on the web....
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That's Trophy, I assume...

Only if the TP3 has a processor on crack
I gotta agree that unless the physical specs are much better...such as a processor on steroids, I am quite happy with my TP2.
I like the solid feel, I absolutely LOVE the physical keyboard...and I am perfectly happy with 6.1 as it is super stable (even though 6.5 is prettier). My only complaint is the processor...I want a processor on crack!! Give me that while keeping all the faboo things about the TP2 and I may consider getting a TP3...otherwise, no way!!
As for WinMo7...not impressed with the info out there about it...sounds like a step backwards!!

Tera
I don´t think we will see any Touch Pro 3 in 2010, perhaps in 2011...
As for Tera, I don´t think it´s an upgrade for Rhodium
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WP7s on HD2 - Is it possible?

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So I'm wondering what the concensus is. Are we going to see this or not?
The official word is obviously that there will be no upgrade for the HD2, but people seem to have hope in the community here. I'm not much of a dev/hacker to know for sure, so I'm wondering what you guys think...
The issues I'm hearing are:
Hardware buttons
GPU
On-board storage
Upscalling
The hardware buttons are obviously a non-issue. And from what MS is saying, despite not being able to swap out memory cards, SD storage can be used by OEMs to supplement on-board storage. But I dont know about the GPU and upscaling. Are these built in to the HD2 already? Is the upscaling a hardware or software issue? Are these things a deal breaker??

This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....

I don't see anyone NOT putting it on there, especially when it hits America (If it hasn't already that is)
HOWEVER, i highly doubt you will want to use it. THey are going the iphone route. NO more File explorer and open source and multi tasking. All the things that made WinMO popular are apparently disappearing.
Disappoints me really. I jumped on the Android train. My first PDA was a dell X50

Bababooey said:
This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....
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just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?

pgiuoco said:
just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?
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that's what im doing, 4 more days! cannot wait to get my hands on this beast!

All because of $$ !!
M$ want more developer to developes more app and game for WP7S, in order to do that, u need to convince developer that they can make $$ for the app. Currently it is to easy to get craXXk app for WinMo.
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
My only wish is : Hopefully M$ don't be hash on XDA, cos i believe XDA will make something interesting from WP7S for HD2 ... i believe.

Althought I'm glad others are showing interest, I was hoping to make this a technical discussion around the facts of whether it can or cannot happen. And maybe at this point the answer is "we dont know." But hopefully we'll get more answers in time...

I think the question is not whether or not the HD2 will receive the upgrade to 7. Officially or unofficially, I think its just a matter of time. May not be as soon as youd like, but I't will get there. Its more a question of how relevant the HD2 will be be the time win7 is made available to it. Also, will there be able to be some kind of dual boot option available. The way 7 is shaping up, I'm not too enthused about only having 7. I would use 7 for gaming, social use, and winMo 6.5 when I'm looking to get my hands dirty.

Is it a Tomtom icon we can see? is the old version or is tomtom already developpe a new one in Sylverlight?

AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app

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AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app
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No, that image was published on winmo.nl during the Barcelona unveiling of WP7, long before any WP7 skins were created.
Right now it looks like it was either fake (just an HD2 showing a WP7 picture on its screen) or an early development version of the OS, not destined to ever be released on the HD2.
Winmo.nl claimed the TomTom app worked fine on WP7, possibly because 'tomtom was already preparing their software for WP7'.

saints5354 said:
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
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It'll probably be iPhone 5g before WP7 will be any threat. iPhone 4g is probably coming out in June/July, a few months before WP7 is even out.

Though the HD2 is a fantastic device and loved by anyone (incl myself) who lays their hands on it, you can't help but feel somewhat bitter that a device of such magnitude is just going to be ANOTHER HTC phone almost solely kept alive by xda-developers.
You can see MS's reasoning. You can love the sheer beauty of the HD2. But Jesus - think of the potential going to waste and how it comes across to consumers who hear 'hey, your device is outdated already'. Consumers that haven't even got the device available in their country yet.
One word - Flash. THAT'S reason enough to be at least a little pissed off as an HD2 user.
A joke, it is - but in XDA I trust.

unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7

If the HD2 has a WP7 test build running on it somewhere at HTC and it gets leaked the HD2 should easily get an unofficial upgrade but if that doesn't happen it won't be easy.

bestfan said:
unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7
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You're clearly new to this part of town...

camera hardware button is also a requirement...

an interesting key i found on my T-Mobile HD2 HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\WM7KeybdLayout.

Very strange indeed

I'm pretty sure hardware keys would be irrellivant to getting this on the phone.
My understanding of the key requirements are based upon the chassis version been used with WP7. I think these are basically stipulated purely for the user experience Microsoft are trying to give and not software limitations.

[Q] HD2 Win mobile 7 Rom- when?

now where win mobile 7 has just been released and is available in the stores or better on the new htc mobiles i really wonder when we will get the first official rom from htc for the hd2? I really wonder why it takes so long, isnt the hd2 arichtecture comparable to the one of the hd7? i hope it will come soon...

There wont be an official wp7 rom for the hd2

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now where win mobile 7 has just been released and is available in the stores or better on the new htc mobiles i really wonder when we will get the first official rom from htc for the hd2? I really wonder why it takes so long, isnt the hd2 arichtecture comparable to the one of the hd7? i hope it will come soon...
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Hmm, where have you been the passed 10 months? The HD7 is Microsofts and HTC's way of giving you WPS7 on a comparable device. You either need to get a new device, or wait for devs to port it.
I guess in the meantime you can enjoy Android is you are bored.

hi guys.... what about this?
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE5OTU0MDY0.html
is this only a theme?

cuzzo94 said:
hi guys.... what about this?
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE5OTU0MDY0.html
is this only a theme?
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Since there isn't a sign of another OS boating, I believe this is our HD2 boating WP7 .

can you get in www.xda.cn?
it talk of it in the first page but i can't open it because i'm probably too far away from the server... i'm in italy and th e web site is chinese
edit: http://www.xda.cn/newshow.php?snid=192 o.oo.o

This is just a rom with the interface.
XDA starting HD2_21916_3.14_Windows Phone 7 first to experience the full version of the Chinese Language Interface.
This is the version of windows phone 7 interface experience, not really WP7 prototype system, is still the core of WM6.5, driver version 3.14 for Taiwan, no built-in radio, the radio 2.14 in the case of available memory up to 310M or more, adjust the Task_Manager tasks Manager from the battery icon, WP interface customization options, including color, picture position, add a program, UI and editing, the specific operation: Press the right interface, while the pop-up menu, specifically, how games are played, there are friends to find standby
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From xda.cn

oh ok thanks

can any Chinese person from our XDA site ask them for the ROM? or just register as a tester?

Google translation said following:"This is the master of a successful transplantation of the disc according to WP7 to HD2, HD2 brush WP7 seems getting closer and closer to us"
can anybody explain this?

WoW they port it... there is booting video now

I found something about a bios, check it out here:
http://bbs.xda.cn/viewthread.php?tid=87823
Don't know if its usefull!

Woah! This is really impressive! This was been the best presentation of WP7 on the HD2. I "can" be fake, but they pulled it off very well if they did. *AHEM TOM CODON!!!
Why has there not been many hype about this video?
I honestly, think it looks legit...
what do you guys think? have they beat Cotulla to it?

I'm chinese...and also a member of the forum you guys mentioned before...from my opinion,that's just a theme of win7...not a rom...

I think it's not the true wp7 system because of the static main screen.
The video don't show us contact and phone mode, it's the same things for xbox live.
I don't believe theme.

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It looks like an earlier build. Have given it some press on 1800PocketPC

ok i dont doubt that anyone will be able to port it complete to the hd2, you guys out there are smart enough but what about the rumors i heard over the last year that htc will come up with an offical wp7 rom for the hd2? i thought this was an acknowledged thing from htc or is there anyy offical statement from htc they wont do this?

From what I remember, Microsoft has reported atleast 3 different times stating that there will be no release of WP7 on the HD2. While the HD2 has been considered a test device to build WP7, it is not worth their time to build a fully funtional build on what they might call an old device. There is also the fact that Microsoft has certain restrictions on what devices will support WP7, and the HD2 does not qualify under these restrictions. Since it is Microsoft that designated these restricitons, HTC would be unable to release an official build of WP7 even if they wanted to.
The HTC HD7 is almost identical to the HD2 in terms of hardware. If anything, I would think the best unofficial build would come from this device.
I also don't doubt that there will be a build of WP7 for the HD2 in the very near future

zhyx said:
I'm chinese...and also a member of the forum you guys mentioned before...from my opinion,that's just a theme of win7...not a rom...
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What do you mean? if you're chinese can't you read the explanation and tell us if it's a theme or rom? surely you can read the info on the threads.

Avalandiel said:
From what I remember, Microsoft has reported atleast 3 different times stating that there will be no release of WP7 on the HD2. While the HD2 has been considered a test device to build WP7, it is not worth their time to build a fully funtional build on what they might call an old device. There is also the fact that Microsoft has certain restrictions on what devices will support WP7, and the HD2 does not qualify under these restrictions. Since it is Microsoft that designated these restricitons, HTC would be unable to release an official build of WP7 even if they wanted to.
The HTC HD7 is almost identical to the HD2 in terms of hardware. If anything, I would think the best unofficial build would come from this device.
I also don't doubt that there will be a build of WP7 for the HD2 in the very near future
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M$ was thinking we would take way our HD2, to buy a new WP7s device......Crasy company.
I prefer to be a android embassador, to buy a new M$ device.