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[G2 Q&A] Worth rooting?

Is the G2 worth rooting with the release of 2.3 around the corner??? Should I root and wait for a stable room or wait for 2.3 then decide on rooting??? I am also running a rooted Nexus One so I am not new to the rooting world...

Honestly it is worth it even if 2.3 is around the corner. I said to myself I wasn't going to root it but I missed being able to show off certain aspects of my phone (came from a G1.)But RUMOR has it that Cyanogen is going to work on CM7 (2.3) AOSP based rom. Who knows when an official release will be but just know for now you can play around with SENSE UI and Vanilla soon MIUI.

Might as well. Cm 6.1 is stable, and by having an already rooted phone you'll have less work to do once gingerbread comes around and there's no risk of accidentally accepting a future ota that locks it down further.
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Honestly... Do you actually think anyone in the DEV-section of this DEV-forum will tell you to NOT ROOT?
Go ahead and have yourself some fun!!

creepinm3 said:
Honestly it is worth it even if 2.3 is around the corner. I said to myself I wasn't going to root it but I missed being able to show off certain aspects of my phone (came from a G1.)But RUMOR has it that Cyanogen is going to work on CM7 (2.3) AOSP based rom. Who knows when an official release will be but just know for now you can play around with SENSE UI and Vanilla soon MIUI.
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Rumor or not, I would be willing to bet that Cyanogen releases a ROM based off of 2.3 sooner than an OTA update is available.
And the current CM 6.1 is a GREAT ROM in itself.
In my opinion you're doing yourself a disservice by NOT rooting.

Cm6.1 nightlies?

does anyone know if they are stopping the nightlies and working on cm7? there haven't been any new ones for any model since the 17th

That's why they have stopped them. Cyanogen said that they are all working hard on Gingerbread, so it's only logical that they would stop all work on Froyo

do you think there's any more froyese to be made or is that a moot point as everything is just dumped into gingerbread? Especially now that drivers are completely different with gb?
Also I reckon once the full base is laid people will bring GB features back into froyo for the dream and other smaller devices. Or a mosh.
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androidcues said:
do you think there's any more froyese to be made or is that a moot point as everything is just dumped into gingerbread? Especially now that drivers are completely different with gb?
Also I reckon once the full base is laid people will bring GB features back into froyo for the dream and other smaller devices. Or a mosh.
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I'm sure most devs there will still be small updates being made to the current ROMs already out, like Enom for example. He usually releases stock ROMs with some modifications or themes, for the most part. I don't see him releasing a GB rom until the official rolls out.
Keep in mind Sense ROMs don't even factor into this. They are two different things.
Cyanogen on the other hand, won't make another update to CM6, at least for the G2 IMO. He always pushes to have the greatest and latest on our phones, hence his push for GB.
As to you mentioning people porting over features to Froyo, that may very well be true, but for the most part, I don't think much of that will happen. The Android reps from Google said that any phone that officially runs Froyo now, will run better on GB. I can only deduce that phones will run better running 2.3.
Now, while the G1 did not see a 2.2 update due to hardware requirements, the MT3G did see an official release, which is for the most part a G1 with more internal memory and lacks a keyboard. I hope that this will bring a great improvement to the device speed, and knowing Cyanogen, he will for sure bring it over to the G1.
Just my 2 cents.

tazz9690 said:
Cyanogen on the other hand, won't make another update to CM6, at least for the G2 IMO. He always pushes to have the greatest and latest on our phones, hence his push for GB.
As to you mentioning people porting over features to Froyo, that may very well be true, but for the most part, I don't think much of that will happen. The Android reps from Google said that any phone that officially runs Froyo now, will run better on GB. I can only deduce that phones will run better running 2.3.
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I somewhat disagree with your point about CM6. Although all the devs are working very hard to bring GB to the G2, I don't believe Cyanogen or anyone else has said that there won't be another CM6 update. That doesn't mean they will but, imho, I think there may be at least one more update to CM6 for the G2. At least I hope so!

I do believe in the possibility of another experimental update coming to other devices maybe, but Cyanogen said himself on twitter to AndroidSpin that there will be no further stable releases for CM6 due to Gingerbread's release.
That's not to say that others of TeamDouche who manage other devices won't keep CM6 alive for a little while longer, at least.

No stable Gingerbread on Epic?

Based on the posts I've read, is there really no official stable version of Gingerbread released for the Epic 4G, and are all the GB ROMs buggy?
And I thought that we would be working towards ICS for the Epic 4G...
I'm new at this, but I thought that Android being open-source means that it would be easier to hack and modify and less reliant on the carriers to release new OS updates. Have I gotten it wrong?

AndroAsc said:
Based on the posts I've read, is there really no official stable version of Gingerbread released for the Epic 4G, and are all the GB ROMs buggy?
And I thought that we would be working towards ICS for the Epic 4G...
I'm new at this, but I thought that Android being open-source means that it would be easier to hack and modify and less reliant on the carriers to release new OS updates. Have I gotten it wrong?
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Android is by far the best medium for end users. But the major hold up is that the source code has been held out by samsung. There was a leak of the source code recently. The rom to look for is Cyanogen. These guys build it from the ground up with no source code. If you really want to try a gingerbread leak . This is a good one. He also has a 2.2 android that is complete no bugs. here is the link to gingerbread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1190337
And the link to his 2.2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1146630
At the moment I am using the beta cyanogen very close to completion. It is 2.3.7 and it runs smooth and fast. There are a few minor bugs like no 4g. The 4g was not a big deal for me as it only covered a small area for me.
Cyanogen link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1299621
Let us know if you need more help

Can tell you are new. Gingerbread is still only a leak. However kernel source was released for 2 days. If you look in Development and read the OPs on the ROMs find one based on the released source like the one with Heimdall in the title. They are stable with no reboots.
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AndroAsc said:
I'm new at this, but I thought that Android being open-source means that it would be easier to hack and modify and less reliant on the carriers to release new OS updates. Have I gotten it wrong?
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Yes... You've got it wrong. Hacking can only get you so far... Major version updates require source from the manufacturers.
If you want timely updates switch to iOS. With Android it's not *when* you're getting updates but *if* you're getting updates.
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support

AndroAsc said:
Based on the posts I've read, is there really no official stable version of Gingerbread released for the Epic 4G, and are all the GB ROMs buggy?
And I thought that we would be working towards ICS for the Epic 4G...
I'm new at this, but I thought that Android being open-source means that it would be easier to hack and modify and less reliant on the carriers to release new OS updates. Have I gotten it wrong?
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I'm currently running ACS' ICS beta rom. The ICS is just a launcher but its nifty. If you want a pretty stable eh17 rom w/o the ICS I used titanium to uninstall the launcher (and the other 2 launchers [beats me]) and used launcher pro plus. Makes for a stable gingy rom. I've also flashed the eh17 honeycomb explosion theme. Looks great and run awesome.
Supposedly nubernal fixes reboots... ill see as soon as I find time to flash
Lord Syrics Jr.
EPIC 4G
ACS ICS BETA v6
Eh17+ (soon nubernal)

There's always going to be bugs... Especially when devs start modifying what was most times just crap to begin with.
I strive to put out a stable ROM, but when you want to update something, something else may not always act as it did.
I'm in the midst of getting a second test version out of my ROM... Come back tonight and check it out. If you're into something semi-stock, then you'll like what i have to offer. =)

AndroAsc said:
I'm new at this, but I thought that Android being open-source means that it would be easier to hack and modify and less reliant on the carriers to release new OS updates. Have I gotten it wrong?
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For the most part, "Android is open source" only applies to device manufacturers, and owners of Google-branded Nexus devices. The latter of which have (nearly) all platform source code available in Git repositories, including instructions for building a source-based ROM for them.
Third-party manufacturers do not release the majority of Android platform code for their devices. Some of this, like custom UI code, is not particularly relevant to us. But other of this, including proprietary kernel modules and userspace drivers for peripherals, is very much relevant. Not having the source to this makes getting full functionality out of source-based ROMs rather difficult. It doesn't help that Samsung's devices are "uniquely different" from HTC and others which makes porting source-based ROMs to them painful to begin with.

Ok... so in other words, to have a stable usable and relatively bug-free release of Android OS, we will need the carriers to release some official version for it?

Not necessarily. However it is often easier to support a new version of Android if the manufactuer provides an update to it.

AndroAsc said:
Ok... so in other words, to have a stable usable and relatively bug-free release of Android OS, we will need the carriers to release some official version for it?
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No. I've been running GB forever now. Most of the issues were temp slip ups with roms or themes. The only pervasive one in all the leaked based roms is the reboots, which frankly I never found to be as big of a deal as many made it out to be. Our best guess is that it is sleep related, so in other words, it only happens when your phone is sitting untouched.
I had them quite a bit, but really not a big deal.
Install ACS ICS v6, and the nubernel kernel, and the reboots aren't an issue either.
At this point I couldn't care less if the official ever drops. (Not that I think it wont, it's just, also, IMHO, not nearly as large of a concern as some are making it.) To the extent I DO care, it's only because it will probably consolidate the efforts of the devs. Lots of work still being done on Froyo roms, and there's probably some hesitation on getting involved in any particular leak, because you never know when another leak will drop and make everything you're doing outdated.
Edit: This is anecdotal, but most of the "problems" people report are from people who seem to give gingerbread a shot for about 5 seconds. I'm willing to bet most of them restore data, or a titanium backup, from their froyo rom, then attribute any problems to gingerbread being buggy. It's not. It's fine. If anything a lot of the real not-just-whining outrage is over how GOOD it is. (AKA, the leaks are so solid, what's the hold up exactly)

[Q] Is there any STABLE ICS Roms out yet?

So I'm dying to have ICS on my phone, but I need my phone to work completely. I also don't think the DI2 gets a lot a development rom wise so this maybe a stupid question but is there any stable ICS roms out there? In all likely-hood I'm just going to wait for a stable version of CM9.

Stable is comparative.
However, since the phone is designed to run Sense...I feel that we will have to wait for a proper Sense build of ICS to fully enjoy Sense ICS or AOSP ICS.
Even then...on gingerbread's AOSP ROM's ported for our phones I always had issues with video acceleration (hardware). Netflix wouldnt play properly. Some games experienced lag. Ports are not easy, and while mostly functional will more than certainly lack the full 'experience' that the stock ROM covers.
Our devs do some really great work to allow us to try out different types of ROM's. Even their hands are tied with certain aspects of each ROM - and reverse engineering is not as easy as one may think.
With this being said, try out a few of the builds available to determine what is stable for you.

nothing will be fully stable until HTC and Qualcomm release the appropriate drivers for ICS. Hopefully, sometime before the summer, but who really knows.

[Q] Tomorrow: Wait for de-bloated/tweaked ICS ROM or flash stock ICS immediately?

Hey folks,
I'm still running Juggz 4.x because it has been as stable as stock with extra goodies... Using a very stable/reliable build is important to me, since I'm basically on call 24/7 at work.... Removing the bloat and free features like teathering are important too though.
How long do we expect it to take before we see some stock/rooted/debloated/tweaked ROMs based on the release tomorrow? Also, How long before we'll see stable AOSP and AOKP builds?
I do realize I'm asking for speculation since nobody knows, but based off of past experience, we can take some guesses, right?
I'm dying to throw ICS on my phone, but most of the ROMs available have had enough issues to keep me from trying them.... But tomorrow I'm thinking about flashing the stock ROM immediately, then waiting for reliable/stable ICS ROM from one of our quality devs based on the new code.
So how long do you think guys?

I give it 2 days
Sent from my 4.5 inch Galaxy

If you are unsure, just wait.
I'd certainly recommend waiting especially since you aren't even on UVLDE.
To get a decent AOSP or AOKP, I'd say a week or two after source is released.
It will take a while to get a code merge done, but when it's done it's done.