So I'm dying to have ICS on my phone, but I need my phone to work completely. I also don't think the DI2 gets a lot a development rom wise so this maybe a stupid question but is there any stable ICS roms out there? In all likely-hood I'm just going to wait for a stable version of CM9.
Stable is comparative.
However, since the phone is designed to run Sense...I feel that we will have to wait for a proper Sense build of ICS to fully enjoy Sense ICS or AOSP ICS.
Even then...on gingerbread's AOSP ROM's ported for our phones I always had issues with video acceleration (hardware). Netflix wouldnt play properly. Some games experienced lag. Ports are not easy, and while mostly functional will more than certainly lack the full 'experience' that the stock ROM covers.
Our devs do some really great work to allow us to try out different types of ROM's. Even their hands are tied with certain aspects of each ROM - and reverse engineering is not as easy as one may think.
With this being said, try out a few of the builds available to determine what is stable for you.
nothing will be fully stable until HTC and Qualcomm release the appropriate drivers for ICS. Hopefully, sometime before the summer, but who really knows.
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You guys should know that we are being a little bit behind in android rom development. I am in no way saying ANYTHING bad about our dev team,from my point of view they truly are awesome but..and it is a big but.. why does the HTC HD2 have a gingerbread port and we don't?
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/gingerbread-ported-to-htc-hd2/
It's not fully working is it?
There's a non-working Desire Gingbread ROM too (oxygen)...
Quality is more then Quantity.. I prefer something working well instead fast rubbish.
It's because or Devs are busy working on a fully functioning, fast and stable ROM and yes, there are a few unstable Gingerbread test ROM's out in the forum including the Oxygen one. Just wait a week or so and we're probably going to have a fast and fully functioning Gingerbread ROM I'm sure of that. So be patient and enjoy the holidays .
Of course we prefer quality, but the oxygen rom is build from the sdk not from the source code
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Of course we prefer quality, but the oxygen rom is build from the sdk not from the source code
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No it isnt. You're refering to Gingerninja.
be patient!
I actually created a user just because I want to say that you guys and girls are doing a fantastic job! And I would rather wait one week extra for a stable GingerBread than something mediocre, which runs at half speed .. Again, thanks for all the work you put into and I look forward to a stable GB!
If you get it out the oven too soon it won't taste right...
Is it even possible for the devs to create a Gingerbread ROM including Sense before HTC releases something similiar? I fear, that all the Gingerbread-ROMs will be lacking Sense, right?
There are gingerbread roms out for the desire they aren't fully functioning yet though.
good things comes to those who wait
does anyone know if they are stopping the nightlies and working on cm7? there haven't been any new ones for any model since the 17th
That's why they have stopped them. Cyanogen said that they are all working hard on Gingerbread, so it's only logical that they would stop all work on Froyo
do you think there's any more froyese to be made or is that a moot point as everything is just dumped into gingerbread? Especially now that drivers are completely different with gb?
Also I reckon once the full base is laid people will bring GB features back into froyo for the dream and other smaller devices. Or a mosh.
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do you think there's any more froyese to be made or is that a moot point as everything is just dumped into gingerbread? Especially now that drivers are completely different with gb?
Also I reckon once the full base is laid people will bring GB features back into froyo for the dream and other smaller devices. Or a mosh.
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I'm sure most devs there will still be small updates being made to the current ROMs already out, like Enom for example. He usually releases stock ROMs with some modifications or themes, for the most part. I don't see him releasing a GB rom until the official rolls out.
Keep in mind Sense ROMs don't even factor into this. They are two different things.
Cyanogen on the other hand, won't make another update to CM6, at least for the G2 IMO. He always pushes to have the greatest and latest on our phones, hence his push for GB.
As to you mentioning people porting over features to Froyo, that may very well be true, but for the most part, I don't think much of that will happen. The Android reps from Google said that any phone that officially runs Froyo now, will run better on GB. I can only deduce that phones will run better running 2.3.
Now, while the G1 did not see a 2.2 update due to hardware requirements, the MT3G did see an official release, which is for the most part a G1 with more internal memory and lacks a keyboard. I hope that this will bring a great improvement to the device speed, and knowing Cyanogen, he will for sure bring it over to the G1.
Just my 2 cents.
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Cyanogen on the other hand, won't make another update to CM6, at least for the G2 IMO. He always pushes to have the greatest and latest on our phones, hence his push for GB.
As to you mentioning people porting over features to Froyo, that may very well be true, but for the most part, I don't think much of that will happen. The Android reps from Google said that any phone that officially runs Froyo now, will run better on GB. I can only deduce that phones will run better running 2.3.
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I somewhat disagree with your point about CM6. Although all the devs are working very hard to bring GB to the G2, I don't believe Cyanogen or anyone else has said that there won't be another CM6 update. That doesn't mean they will but, imho, I think there may be at least one more update to CM6 for the G2. At least I hope so!
I do believe in the possibility of another experimental update coming to other devices maybe, but Cyanogen said himself on twitter to AndroidSpin that there will be no further stable releases for CM6 due to Gingerbread's release.
That's not to say that others of TeamDouche who manage other devices won't keep CM6 alive for a little while longer, at least.
Based on the posts I've read, is there really no official stable version of Gingerbread released for the Epic 4G, and are all the GB ROMs buggy?
And I thought that we would be working towards ICS for the Epic 4G...
I'm new at this, but I thought that Android being open-source means that it would be easier to hack and modify and less reliant on the carriers to release new OS updates. Have I gotten it wrong?
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Based on the posts I've read, is there really no official stable version of Gingerbread released for the Epic 4G, and are all the GB ROMs buggy?
And I thought that we would be working towards ICS for the Epic 4G...
I'm new at this, but I thought that Android being open-source means that it would be easier to hack and modify and less reliant on the carriers to release new OS updates. Have I gotten it wrong?
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Android is by far the best medium for end users. But the major hold up is that the source code has been held out by samsung. There was a leak of the source code recently. The rom to look for is Cyanogen. These guys build it from the ground up with no source code. If you really want to try a gingerbread leak . This is a good one. He also has a 2.2 android that is complete no bugs. here is the link to gingerbread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1190337
And the link to his 2.2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1146630
At the moment I am using the beta cyanogen very close to completion. It is 2.3.7 and it runs smooth and fast. There are a few minor bugs like no 4g. The 4g was not a big deal for me as it only covered a small area for me.
Cyanogen link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1299621
Let us know if you need more help
Can tell you are new. Gingerbread is still only a leak. However kernel source was released for 2 days. If you look in Development and read the OPs on the ROMs find one based on the released source like the one with Heimdall in the title. They are stable with no reboots.
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AndroAsc said:
I'm new at this, but I thought that Android being open-source means that it would be easier to hack and modify and less reliant on the carriers to release new OS updates. Have I gotten it wrong?
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Yes... You've got it wrong. Hacking can only get you so far... Major version updates require source from the manufacturers.
If you want timely updates switch to iOS. With Android it's not *when* you're getting updates but *if* you're getting updates.
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support
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Based on the posts I've read, is there really no official stable version of Gingerbread released for the Epic 4G, and are all the GB ROMs buggy?
And I thought that we would be working towards ICS for the Epic 4G...
I'm new at this, but I thought that Android being open-source means that it would be easier to hack and modify and less reliant on the carriers to release new OS updates. Have I gotten it wrong?
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I'm currently running ACS' ICS beta rom. The ICS is just a launcher but its nifty. If you want a pretty stable eh17 rom w/o the ICS I used titanium to uninstall the launcher (and the other 2 launchers [beats me]) and used launcher pro plus. Makes for a stable gingy rom. I've also flashed the eh17 honeycomb explosion theme. Looks great and run awesome.
Supposedly nubernal fixes reboots... ill see as soon as I find time to flash
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There's always going to be bugs... Especially when devs start modifying what was most times just crap to begin with.
I strive to put out a stable ROM, but when you want to update something, something else may not always act as it did.
I'm in the midst of getting a second test version out of my ROM... Come back tonight and check it out. If you're into something semi-stock, then you'll like what i have to offer. =)
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I'm new at this, but I thought that Android being open-source means that it would be easier to hack and modify and less reliant on the carriers to release new OS updates. Have I gotten it wrong?
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For the most part, "Android is open source" only applies to device manufacturers, and owners of Google-branded Nexus devices. The latter of which have (nearly) all platform source code available in Git repositories, including instructions for building a source-based ROM for them.
Third-party manufacturers do not release the majority of Android platform code for their devices. Some of this, like custom UI code, is not particularly relevant to us. But other of this, including proprietary kernel modules and userspace drivers for peripherals, is very much relevant. Not having the source to this makes getting full functionality out of source-based ROMs rather difficult. It doesn't help that Samsung's devices are "uniquely different" from HTC and others which makes porting source-based ROMs to them painful to begin with.
Ok... so in other words, to have a stable usable and relatively bug-free release of Android OS, we will need the carriers to release some official version for it?
Not necessarily. However it is often easier to support a new version of Android if the manufactuer provides an update to it.
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Ok... so in other words, to have a stable usable and relatively bug-free release of Android OS, we will need the carriers to release some official version for it?
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No. I've been running GB forever now. Most of the issues were temp slip ups with roms or themes. The only pervasive one in all the leaked based roms is the reboots, which frankly I never found to be as big of a deal as many made it out to be. Our best guess is that it is sleep related, so in other words, it only happens when your phone is sitting untouched.
I had them quite a bit, but really not a big deal.
Install ACS ICS v6, and the nubernel kernel, and the reboots aren't an issue either.
At this point I couldn't care less if the official ever drops. (Not that I think it wont, it's just, also, IMHO, not nearly as large of a concern as some are making it.) To the extent I DO care, it's only because it will probably consolidate the efforts of the devs. Lots of work still being done on Froyo roms, and there's probably some hesitation on getting involved in any particular leak, because you never know when another leak will drop and make everything you're doing outdated.
Edit: This is anecdotal, but most of the "problems" people report are from people who seem to give gingerbread a shot for about 5 seconds. I'm willing to bet most of them restore data, or a titanium backup, from their froyo rom, then attribute any problems to gingerbread being buggy. It's not. It's fine. If anything a lot of the real not-just-whining outrage is over how GOOD it is. (AKA, the leaks are so solid, what's the hold up exactly)
Since a lot of stuff is still wonky/glitchy, and the ICS ports are still not perfect.
Is the point of getting ICS just to say you have it?
Or are there certain advantages to running ICS that I am not aware of?
I am on ILWT btw.
Why run ILWT?
Biggest reason I run it is because the UI to me is THAT much better than GB or anything else I've used. The ROMs are stable enough, fast enough, and include all the features I need to get by day to day.
This sounds more of a troll post, but meh.
I've been running ICS since Andromadus alpha 1, and as a DD since alpha 4. Yes there have been several glitches (alpha 5 was unusable) and several things broken such as the camera, but running an alpha or beta build is what produces the feedback and usage stats the devs need to make a great RC. It also kicks the OEM's in the tail to release drivers and possibly new roms for our devices if the devs AND users can illustrate a need. Aside from that, ICS can renew an aging device with new functionality and refined looks. I've rediscovered my own aging device, and for the first time started to realize its capabilities as a real, almost tablet-like, computing device and not just an alarm clock or a way for telemarketers and my wife to bug me.
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It is not a troll post. I am running ILWT because it is stable, fast, and the battery life is great.
If I am not going to use the stock ICS ui, then should I even bother switching to ICS?
Like, I have a custom Go Launcher theme that is pretty damn sick, and I never use the stock apps for anything except stock market...
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It is not a troll post. I am running ILWT because it is stable, fast, and the battery life is great.
If I am not going to use the stock ICS ui, then should I even bother switching to ICS?
Like, I have a custom Go Launcher theme that is pretty damn sick, and I never use the stock apps for anything except stock market...
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I must say the ICS Roms are much smoother than any other rom I've ever used and I've had a single hot reboot since first DD worthy release. Battery isn't remarkable but that is cause they haven't been optimized yet, stabilize then optimize. In your case I might wait more for optimized, but hey! Nandroid, wipe, install and try it a bit, you may just fall in love !
That is sound advice, noneabove.
Yes, I do believe the best thing to do at this point is for me to stfu and try it.
ICS ROMS are great. The best reason in my opinion is for developing/ testing purposes. They are smooth and stable.
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i flash every update to test it but its a looong way from me using it.
not as stable, not as funtionable, not as good batterylife and right now, not the same performance.
so i use ILWT for same reasons as you until the ICS roms are atleast as good.
i figure that there are enough people reporting bugs anyway, they dont need me.
atm im using cm7.2 on everyday basis but i do like to test other/newer roms to see if they might got some additional functionality i could need..
like actualy usb host mode what doesnt seem to work on cm7.. ive read it should work from ics on so im happy projects like virtuousrom exist to im able to try
Will it be worth it for our phone?
We can't even get a smooth sense 3.X ROM running gingerbread
HTC had to make a dual core phone just to run 3.5 run well.
The only legit sense we have is the stock. And that's the sense used last year.
Do you think sense 3/4.X running ICS will even be worth it for the dinc 2?
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Not sure what all the fuss is over "smoothness", any rom I've tried, Sense or otherwise, seems to run pretty smooth for me.
Second, any version of sense other than what came on the phone is a hacked port from another phone. If there are any performance issues, I don't think you can necessarily blame the hardware completely. Just the nature of the beast (the beast being a Frankenstein version of android)
Third, even without fully working drivers, the available versions of ICS run pretty darn smooth if you ask me, so I would think an official Sense on official ICS (and all the optimized driver support that comes from being official) would be pretty smooth.
But personally, I really dislike Sense, in all its incarnations, so I'm just waiting for CM9.
Guys, just post in the ICS discussion thread we already have. This is gonna get closed.