Since ICS is Brick Happy for our phones..... - Samsung Epic 4G Touch

What roms are those of you who arent crazy (aka those on ICS) using (aka those still using gingerbread roms). Having some odd problems with my rom im on currently, so im looking to see whats still good (Seeing as things havnt been updated for a while).

Check out Blazer ROM, and Calkulins ROM.

cds0699 said:
Check out Blazer ROM, and Calkulins ROM.
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Ahh is blazer still being update? or atleast updated since the beginning of this year? and as far as calks gingerbread rom, i wasnt a fan. to many tweaks that caused random issues for me ( think it had to do with some of the powersaver scripts and whatnot). But yeah if blazer is still smooth and awesome i might give that a try.

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Ahh is blazer still being update? or atleast updated since the beginning of this year? and as far as calks gingerbread rom, i wasnt a fan. to many tweaks that caused random issues for me ( think it had to do with some of the powersaver scripts and whatnot). But yeah if blazer is still smooth and awesome i might give that a try.
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Im on blazer 4.0 smooth as butter
Back from my "scotsman vacation"

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Im on blazer 4.0 smooth as butter
Back from my "scotsman vacation"
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holy crap blazer 4.0 DOES look awesome. Thanks guys. Totally goin to blazer

On Blazer 3.5 and FB27 modem.

HaiKaiDo said:
Ahh is blazer still being update? or atleast updated since the beginning of this year? and as far as calks gingerbread rom, i wasnt a fan. to many tweaks that caused random issues for me ( think it had to do with some of the powersaver scripts and whatnot). But yeah if blazer is still smooth and awesome i might give that a try.
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Yep, last updated February 20th.

Blazer 4.1
Too sexy

iSaint said:
Blazer 4.1
Too sexy
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Show off........ Lol

iSaint said:
Blazer 4.1
Too sexy
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your old siggy was much more sexy

I didn't realize ics was bricking phones. I've been going to and from ics since the initial release. I think it's more that people are just being careless and not paying attention to what they are doing *or* they are doing something like using rom manager or touch recovery. Which if you haven't heard, DO NOT USE EITHER OF THESE ON OUR PHONES.

What I've learned through out my time flashing is:
1. Use the one-click ODIN+Root+Data Wipe for EL29 (Latest GB release).
2. If a custom recovery is required, wait for one to be created which matches the current build you have, ex. FB21 + FB21 Repack w/CWM. Usually the dev's are pretty good at getting one put together.
3. Do not restore back ups, ever. I repeat EVER.
4. Make sure all the drivers are installed before doing anything. (Samsung Kies, etc.)
5. If you need to get custom recovery for EL29, use the AutoRoot stickie, which has a 100% success rate.
6. Wipe, Wipe, Wipe, and more Wipe. I can't repeat that enough, but make sure you wipe every chance you get. Hell, wipe before flashing, after flashing, flash again, etc.
I keep the majority of my apps on Dropbox, and have my contacts synced through Exchange (Sprint server).
I have yet to brick a phone.

Strongsteve's rom. Nothing else need be said.
Up and comming Arts forum http://little-melon.com/Forum

I made a full thread on how to prevent bricking your phone when using ICS roms, it's perfectly fine to use ICS as long as you don't get careless, heres my thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525495

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I didn't realize ics was bricking phones. I've been going to and from ics since the initial release. I think it's more that people are just being careless and not paying attention to what they are doing *or* they are doing something like using rom manager or touch recovery. Which if you haven't heard, DO NOT USE EITHER OF THESE ON OUR PHONES.
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Well i would have to disagree with this. I was in the dev irc when the first bricks happened. Including sbrissen, a few of his testers and then recently steadyhawking (who obviously got another phone already). Has nothing to do with carelessness, theres just some problems with the process as a whole right now.
xST4T1K said:
I made a full thread on how to prevent bricking your phone when using ICS roms, it's perfectly fine to use ICS as long as you don't get careless, heres my thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525495
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Until I hear from Steady or sbrissen that the issue is completely gone. I appreciate the effort, but since we dont know EXACTLY what it is (hell there could be even more things that we dont know that are causing it) no ICS for this guy.
PS: You should add rouge recovery to the list of bricks suspects. Thats how steady bricked his phone the other day. he was in his own recovery and it still did it.

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Well i would have to disagree with this. I was in the dev irc when the first bricks happened. Including sbrissen, a few of his testers and then recently steadyhawking (who obviously got another phone already). Has nothing to do with carelessness, theres just some problems with the process as a whole right now.
Until I hear from Steady or sbrissen that the issue is completely gone. I appreciate the effort, but since we dont know EXACTLY what it is (hell there could be even more things that we dont know that are causing it) no ICS for this guy.
PS: You should add rouge recovery to the list of bricks suspects. Thats how steady bricked his phone the other day. he was in his own recovery and it still did it.
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WOAHH. I had no idea steady bricked his phone. I knew t.c.p. did. This adds a new dimension to this thing.

HaiKaiDo said:
Well i would have to disagree with this. I was in the dev irc when the first bricks happened. Including sbrissen, a few of his testers and then recently steadyhawking (who obviously got another phone already). Has nothing to do with carelessness, theres just some problems with the process as a whole right now.
Until I hear from Steady or sbrissen that the issue is completely gone. I appreciate the effort, but since we dont know EXACTLY what it is (hell there could be even more things that we dont know that are causing it) no ICS for this guy.
PS: You should add rouge recovery to the list of bricks suspects. Thats how steady bricked his phone the other day. he was in his own recovery and it still did it.
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Completely understandable, I would add it but the only problem is there is no way of knowing what he was doing when it bricked, an action has to be done for a phone to brick and without knowing that action I can't say "don't use rogue" or people would think I'm an idiot and nobody would be on ICS if that were the case, but I've been using ICS since the leaks came out and never had an issue once following my own guide (using rogue everytime btw).

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Completely understandable, I would add it but the only problem is there is no way of knowing what he was doing when it bricked, an action has to be done for a phone to brick and without knowing that action I can't say "don't use rogue" or people would think I'm an idiot and nobody would be on ICS if that were the case, but I've been using ICS since the leaks came out and never had an issue once following my own guide (using rogue everytime btw).
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I agree with you and I haven't had any problems either. and I mean since fb09 all the way to the current calk build. If Steady did actually brick his phone like the guy says, then there is probably some other reason that we are unaware of. Steady seems to have a pretty good grasp on what he's doing. That kinda scares me, but I have yet to find where he posted about bricking his device or a warning to stay away from ics or something along those lines :skeptical:

xST4T1K said:
Completely understandable, I would add it but the only problem is there is no way of knowing what he was doing when it bricked, an action has to be done for a phone to brick and without knowing that action I can't say "don't use rogue" or people would think I'm an idiot and nobody would be on ICS if that were the case, but I've been using ICS since the leaks came out and never had an issue once following my own guide (using rogue everytime btw).
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lol no one would think youre an idiot. Just mention that rouge recovery also runs the risk of bricking and refer anyone that doesnt believe you to steady's bricked phone .
PS: Steady used to brag to me that he used his recovery constantly to flash back and fourth to ICS...and then bricked

After all the playing around I did with ICS, I had to switch back due to the GPS issues and needing it to work for a road trip. I have no idea what bit of flashing/odin magic I did but I have Calkulins ROM running better than I've ever seen - UI is so snappy. I know it's a stock rooted kernel, but I'm not sure about the modem. Is that under "baseband version"?

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What will Sprint/Samsung do?

Ok, so with the issues that EB13 has, will Sprint just correct the issues and release EB13 again with the fixes or will it be a new update? Maybe just some patches? IDK! Does anyone know how they will go about doing this?
Im pretty sure it will have a different name.
Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
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Im pretty sure it will have a different name.
Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
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That's a given since the name is indicative of when it was compiled.
Most likely we won't see any kind of fix before the 20th at the earliest, and if it doesn't come before April then it's probably never coming and we will be SOL like the Moment users who were stuck with a ridiculously buggy 2.1 with no support from Samsung/Sprint.
Hmm well good point guys. Would you suggest running EB13 with the patched kernel(s) and/or a custom ROM? I'm looking for something stable and plan on using it for a while...
Go with Syndicate frozen or Bonsai 3.0
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Go with Syndicate frozen or Bonsai 3.0
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Yea I was looking into either one of those, but what about the EB13 data and sd card issues? Also the bugs that are currently in both roms? I've heard Truly Epic v3 is extremely stable.
Theyll just take Frozen or Bonsai or ACE, slap some Sprint footprints here and there to make it their own, remove OC from the kernels and make it their official release.
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Theyll just take Frozen or Bonsai or ACE, slap some Sprint footprints here and there to make it their own, remove OC from the kernels and make it their official release.
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LOL, na then that would have happen months ago!
Once they put out a product, they only update it in response to mass outrage. Google keeps popping out updates and the manufactures and carriers can't slap bloatware on fast enough, so they lose incentive to update at all. They clearly don't focus their efforts as hard as these wonderful developers do! But why would they? They're hoping you'll get so frustrated that you'll move on to their next, barely-improved device!
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Once they put out a product, they only update it in response to mass outrage. Google keeps popping out updates and the manufactures and carriers can't slap bloatware on fast enough, so they lose incentive to update at all. They clearly don't focus their efforts as hard as these wonderful developers do! But why would they? They're hoping you'll get so frustrated that you'll move on to their next, barely-improved device!
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SO TRUE, exactly what i have been sayin. I really dont even think we will see gingerbread, and if we do that will most likley be it for this failure of a phone. If it wasnt for custom roms and all the hard work around here i would have taken my epic back to the ****ing sprint store and threw it at the lying rep that sold it to me.
Same here. This phone has so Mich.potential that it will never see. Yeah the developers here are amazing but it would help them.out so.much.if Samsung gave.more support. If it wasn't for our developers I wouldn't have this phone right now.
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SO TRUE, exactly what i have been sayin. I really dont even think we will see gingerbread, and if we do that will most likley be it for this failure of a phone. If it wasnt for custom roms and all the hard work around here i would have taken my epic back to the ****ing sprint store and threw it at the lying rep that sold it to me.
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Sent From My Evo Killer!
dcraig723 said:
Hmm well good point guys. Would you suggest running EB13 with the patched kernel(s) and/or a custom ROM? I'm looking for something stable and plan on using it for a while...
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I first used Bonsai 3.0 and restored everything using Titanium Backup and had FC's and data problems.
I Odined back to Stock EB13 Extended and then reflashed Bonsai 3.0.1 and DID NOT restore via TB rather just installed everything I needed from the Market and synced all my contacts back, and Bingo. Everything is flawless... I mean flawless. I have not had ONE FC or data problems. I even got Wifi Tether 3.0 Pre-11 working great! (Haven't used it long enough to see if it crashes, only two days so far with spans of 2 hours at a time)
I think thats what's causing many problems with current flash junkies; they flash so much that they rely on backups like TB or even NANDROID backup that sometimes all they need is a fresh install of EVERYTHING.
I hope this helps
This phone was decent out of the box, but no huge improvement over many of the other android phones... But after Midnight and Bonsai and Syndicate roms, it's many times better than any stock phone out there! Granted, the same is true for most of the top phones once given their own custom roms... but I bought this one. And my only regret is that I can't take half that money back and give it to K0nane and the others for doing Sprint and Samsung's work for them!
EC05 was actually great (if you were lucky to catch it the week it was released, if not, it is on this forum somewhere.) The only reason I rooted was to delete some apps, to overclock, and to try out 2.3.3. I can't wait until CM7 is done. I currently use Red Beast with the new Genocide kernel. I have overclocked it to 1.12 Ghz and undervolted it to 1200 mV (the amount of energy used at the stock 800 mhz. It is extremely fast and saves me tons of battery. So if you are done messing around with sprint, start making your phone your own.

Two problems with ICS.

Well, maybe two and a half.
I was using FB17 on my old black ET (bought on launch week), before it was bricked.
GPS would not connect. Vlingo was very broken - would not work with a bt car kit unless you manually unlocked the screen.
It was very snappy in my testing though.
I now have a brand new white ET, and I tried FC14.
Exact same problems. None of those were fixed in the last 3 1/2 weeks.
Thank god someone has figured out that you can simply remove vlingo garbage and replace it with a number of dialing apps like google voicedialer. I don't know if it can be done on ICS, but it works very well in EL29 gb roms.
So, GPS is a deal breaker right now, possibly on two somewhat different versions of hardware (old black et vs white new et.) What the hell are the developers thinking not fixing gps?
Also, FC14 was noticeably choppier than both EL29 and FB17. Maybe it was because of the particular widgets/software I used, I don't know. Could be a problem too.
Anyway, any thoughts?
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Well, maybe two and a half.
I was using FB17 on my old black ET (bought on launch week), before it was bricked.
GPS would not connect. Vlingo was very broken - would not work with a bt car kit unless you manually unlocked the screen.
It was very snappy in my testing though.
I now have a brand new white ET, and I tried FC14.
Exact same problems. None of those were fixed in the last 3 1/2 weeks.
Thank god someone has figured out that you can simply remove vlingo garbage and replace it with a number of dialing apps like google voicedialer. I don't know if it can be done on ICS, but it works very well in EL29 gb roms.
So, GPS is a deal breaker right now, possibly on two somewhat different versions of hardware (old black et vs white new et.) What the hell are the developers thinking not fixing gps?
Also, FC14 was noticeably choppier than both EL29 and FB17. Maybe it was because of the particular widgets/software I used, I don't know. Could be a problem too.
Anyway, any thoughts?
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When I started flashin ICS Roms...Couldn't get a lock or very spotty coverage...I tried all the Apps out there for GPS...None worked...What worked best has been used by many people on here...for me it worked the first time and I always get a lock...Here's the deal...
If you are willing to take the time to do it, this seems to work for everyone:
Odin one click back to Gingerbread
Odin flash kernel w/ recovery
Restore nandroid (optional)
Get GPS lock on Gingerbread and keep it on.
Boot to recovery and flash format all zip and ROM.
So Odin one click back to el29 GB...
get CWM there as well...Get your lock...leave it on...Go to CWM...restore your ICS Rom of choice...Reboot...ICS will open up and you will have GPS lock...works everytime...At least it has for me and a lot of people on here...
GPS was the Deal breaker for me as well...I use it a lot...Now I have an ICS Rom for my Daily Driver...
Well GPS hasn't been a strong point for Samsung in general. The devs your referring is Samsung, right? They have the necessary tools, like source code and non-gpl drivers. I'm pretty sure Samsung will get GPS better on ics at some point.
El29 is very refined. I would totally expect it to run smoother than any ics leak at this point.
I don't use any car/voice mode, so I cant comment on that.
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When I started flashin ICS Roms...Couldn't get a lock or very spotty coverage...I tried all the Apps out there for GPS...None worked...What worked best has been used by many people on here...for me it worked the first time and I always get a lock...Here's the deal...
If you are willing to take the time to do it, this seems to work for everyone:
Odin one click back to Gingerbread
Odin flash kernel w/ recovery
Restore nandroid (optional)
Get GPS lock on Gingerbread and keep it on.
Boot to recovery and flash format all zip and ROM.
So Odin one click back to el29 GB...
get CWM there as well...Get your lock...leave it on...Go to CWM...restore your ICS Rom of choice...Reboot...ICS will open up and you will have GPS lock...works everytime...At least it has for me and a lot of people on here...
GPS was the Deal breaker for me as well...I use it a lot...Now I have an ICS Rom for my Daily Driver...
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It works for a while. Then you lose gps again. It's too much trouble flashing and reflashing, whereas it should just work.
EL29 calks roms is very nice and smooth. Everything works, with a proper theme it looks a lot like ICS. It's just not worth it putting up with ICS bugs right now.
The only thing I'm really missing from ICS was the browser.
In the two days I've been running FC15 I've experienced none of what you mention. I think it's the luck of the draw with hardware/software and sprint service in your area. Are you updating your profile and PRL after flashing new modems?
FC15 is the smoothest build I've experienced since EL29 (which remains my goto version if the current ICS build doesn't do the job).
Did you do a complete wipe before installing? Did you make sure to flash the full rather than the nodata version if going from GB to ICS?
I'm certainly not insinuating you are incapable of knowing how to flash new builds but sometimes we overlook the simplest steps which leads to major complications.
If you've done all the above (including using Calkulin's format all) and still experience these issues then I'd definitely stick with EL29 for awhile longer.
My gps locks faster than ever. It's insane. I used gps all over CT, RI, and MA this weekend and was perfect. Didn't even get confused by 95 exchange in Providence.
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In the two days I've been running FC15 I've experienced none of what you mention. I think it's the luck of the draw with hardware/software and sprint service in your area. Are you updating your profile and PRL after flashing new modems?
FC15 is the smoothest build I've experienced since EL29 (which remains my goto version if the current ICS build doesn't do the job).
Did you do a complete wipe before installing? Did you make sure to flash the full rather than the nodata version if going from GB to ICS?
I'm certainly not insinuating you are incapable of knowing how to flash new builds but sometimes we overlook the simplest steps which leads to major complications.
If you've done all the above (including using Calkulin's format all) and still experience these issues then I'd definitely stick with EL29 for awhile longer.
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Yeah, I've done all those things and even more you never heard about.
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Well, maybe two and a half.
I was using FB17 on my old black ET (bought on launch week), before it was bricked.
GPS would not connect. Vlingo was very broken - would not work with a bt car kit unless you manually unlocked the screen.
It was very snappy in my testing though.
I now have a brand new white ET, and I tried FC14.
Exact same problems. None of those were fixed in the last 3 1/2 weeks.
Thank god someone has figured out that you can simply remove vlingo garbage and replace it with a number of dialing apps like google voicedialer. I don't know if it can be done on ICS, but it works very well in EL29 gb roms.
So, GPS is a deal breaker right now, possibly on two somewhat different versions of hardware (old black et vs white new et.) What the hell are the developers thinking not fixing gps?
Also, FC14 was noticeably choppier than both EL29 and FB17. Maybe it was because of the particular widgets/software I used, I don't know. Could be a problem too.
Anyway, any thoughts?
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Of course el29 will be smoother it's an official release. It isn't the developers fault GPS is goofy on ics either they been working hard to fix it... maybe you should read the bug list before you flash anything. Nothing will be completely stable until an official release is out thank the devs they got us this far and at least we can use most ics roms as a daily driver... a couple months ago no one can even get ics to function now look were we Are.
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Of course el29 will be smoother it's an official release. It isn't the developers fault GPS is goofy on ics either they been working hard to fix it... maybe you should read the bug list before you flash anything. Nothing will be completely stable until an official release is out thank the devs they got us this far and at least we can use most ics roms as a daily driver... a couple months ago no one can even get ics to function now look were we Are.
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I was talking about Samsung developers, not xda developers. Maybe I should have clarified. But I thought it was self-evident, since there's no source code for ICS available yet (and probably won't be for months.)
As for bug lists - ICS roms threads simply don't have them. So please don't patronize and act all butthurt for no reason.
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Yeah, I've done all those things and even more you never heard about.
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Well if you've tried all those and many you 'assume' I've never heard of then I think you've answered your own question.
Stick with EL29 until the official ICS is available. With any luck we aren't far off.
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Well if you've tried all those and many you 'assume' I've never heard of then I think you've answered your own question.
Stick with EL29 until the official ICS is available. With any luck we aren't far off.
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It's hard.
The flashaholic in me wants to try fc15. I know gps wont work in it, from the review qbking77 posted. But maybe it will be as snappy as FB17 was...
BTW, when is the official Sprint ics release due?
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It's hard.
The flashaholic in me wants to try fc15. I know gps wont work in it, from the review qbking77 posted. But maybe it will be as snappy as FB17 was...
BTW, when is the official Sprint ics release due?
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FC15 gps does work. I'm getting a lock right now on 8 satellites.
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FC15 gps does work. I'm getting a lock right now on 8 satellites.
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It doesn't work for qbking77, so I assumed it won't work for me.
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It's hard.
The flashaholic in me wants to try fc15. I know gps wont work in it, from the review qbking77 posted. But maybe it will be as snappy as FB17 was...
BTW, when is the official Sprint ics release due?
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It is hard to not flash and I'm only a recent flashaholic (boy do I wish I'd paid more attention to XDA when I had my EVO 4G, would've saved me the mistake of buying the POS 3D).
After FC07 I was going to stick with EL29 until the official release came out but then the 13, 14 and 15 leaked builds came out with overall good reviews so I dove in again and so far I haven't regretted it.
Official release date, who knows, this is Sprint after all but with the leaks coming fast and furious common sense would dictate it can't be too far off (at least we hope).
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It doesn't work for qbking77, so I assumed it won't work for me.
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Believe me mine works...EveryTime...Im runnin on FC14 at the moment ...didn't think there is a need to update to 15 since 14 is runnin fine...Everything runs on My Rom...But like I told ya if GPS didn't work Id be back on GB...Right now Im runnin an EL29 Modem on MIJJz BLEND ICS "THE GOODNESS" 2.3...IMO its the hottest ICS Rom out there hands down...Its smooth quick snappy...uou name it...With functioning GPS for me...But if you think you'll be happy with GB go back...Im stickin with the ICS leaks till the final and I think they are Damn close...
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I was talking about Samsung developers, not xda developers. Maybe I should have clarified. But I thought it was self-evident, since there's no source code for ICS available yet (and probably won't be for months.)
As for bug lists - ICS roms threads simply don't have them. So please don't patronize and act all butthurt for no reason.
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You are aware of the difference between "unknown dev-state leaks" versus "official releases", right? Also that devs post leaks for us to test and report back bugs, of which there are multiple threads containing these lists, right? The issues you report have been answered in several threads, several times.
My gps has worked in every FC ICS build so far. (Lucky me I guess)
Few things that don't work, error out.
Accuweather daemon sometimes FC's.
Moving apps to SD card a bit wonkey. Currently doesn't move them to the ACTUAL SD but to "usb storage" on the phone. FC15 only.
A handful of apps still aren't compatible with ICS. (NOT the rom fault).
Signal bar info isn't correct on any build pre FC15.
Market sometimes takes awhile to actually start downloading apps.
GPS sometimes doesn't turn OFF. <- eating your battery VERY quickly.
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You are aware of the difference between "unknown dev-state leaks" versus "official releases", right? Also that devs post leaks for us to test and report back bugs, of which there are multiple threads containing these lists, right? The issues you report have been answered in several threads, several times.
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I wasn't reporting anything. I was just reflecting on how in 3.5 weeks of my absence, the most blatant deal breaker bugs have not been fixed.
I've never flashed an ICS rom but I use FC15 modem with blazer 4.0 and It's possibly the best modem I've used with this phone. Smooth as can be and what seems to be better data speeds than the other modems.
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I've never flashed an ICS rom but I use FC15 modem with blazer 4.0 and It's possibly the best modem I've used with this phone. Smooth as can be and what seems to be better data speeds than the other modems.
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Im on an ICS Rom...just flashed FC15 for test run...
I see 17 and 19 are due out soon...

Any stable ROMs to upgrade to?

Hey everyone,
I've been doing lots of ROM homework since the ICS update popped up on my stock but rooted 2.3.6 on tmo. Anyway I decided to freeze that device updater and pick a rom since it sounds like so many people were having issues with stock ICS. However, all the other ICS roms that have come out seem to be lacking functionality with bugs and other problems. Do these really hinder? For instance, I've been eyeing Darkside evo 3 since it seems the best but it sounds like everyone still has app hangs. AOKP has random reboots and call echo, no video cam various other roms have a mixture of those problems. If everyone is reporting problems, I ask myself "What can those ICS roms do that my GB can't that makes it worth it?" Or on the other hand, is the vast majority happy and don't bother to post their happiness and I only hear of the problems which are minority?
I ask because I get really frustrated if things don't work, especially when they did before. I get about 2 days of battery life now anyway and if I can't extend, I don't see much point. If darkside is legit, or another ics rom, should I go ahead and flash v7 or wait till v8? Also, I'm leaving the country on the 7th for a few months so I'd like something stable before then, especially when my phone is practically going to be my mobile computer.
It's really up to u what u would like... Me personally want to try them all that's way I can make my own decision... For example I was running eaglesblood and went to darkside eco. Then came the Ics update which took my root. Rerooted and flashed juggernaut which by the way is a beast. But since I not one to sit back and just settle, I jumped on infamous... There's a lot to learn from each ROM but if u want the tools are there. Don't settle. Always something is getting fixed or updated but whatever u do thank the devs... Without them we wouldn't have any of this happening.
As I said juggernaut is a beast in it's own right, I never had any issues with it. But once I flashed infamous I was super impressed of how fast all worked. Nothing has yet to f/c or give me any issues. The key to doing this is just follow instructions to a T. That's my best advice. Im new to this too but every dev def does their best to answer question as fast as they can.
Darkside 3v7 with venom kernel has been as stable as can be for me.
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If you don't wish to tolerate any issues then i would stick with stock. The name of the site is xda-DEVELOPERS.
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think i'm in the same boat as the op. want to try a custom rom instead of official ics. i tried to flash infamous v2.5 from gb 2.3.6 but i got the dreaded boot loop. flashed it multiple times with no different result so i'm restoring my nandroid backup right now.
i read the whole infamous thread and everyone seems to say it's super stable so i'm not sure what i might have done wrong.
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think i'm in the same boat as the op. want to try a custom rom instead of official ics. i tried to flash infamous v2.5 from gb 2.3.6 but i got the dreaded boot loop. flashed it multiple times with no different result so i'm restoring my nandroid backup right now.
i read the whole infamous thread and everyone seems to say it's super stable so i'm not sure what i might have done wrong.
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you have to do exactly as op directs... im looking to switch here today with the new chimera rom. only issue i had was now with the infamous 2.4.5.1 radio signal is lost. imma research on that later. love infamous but im so always ready to try new things i wana see what the fuzz about chimera is. just recheck your steps and enjoy. took me on the first try to get infamous. but again best of luck on whichever rom you decide to use. everything will have hang ups here and there. its developing, it happens. nothing is perfect but if you know any ways to make it so then implement your own time and start creating your own.
its best i can recommend. then again everyone is entitled to their own opinion.:good:
If you want stable with good support the only one to go with is Cyanogenmod 9.
If you want the second best ROM and the one I use its Root Box Rom.
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Stay away from chimera , infamous, and of course juggernaut. Anything else your good. Don't let them fool you especially with the "opinion" BS. They are the same ones rushing for "first!" Bull**** On the OP and now starting with the "::good::" OR let them say that **** is good and you can listen...you can always re-flash another from not listed above good luck brother
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Stay away from chimera , infamous, and of course juggernaut. Anything else your good. Don't let them fool you especially with the "opinion" BS. They are the same ones rushing for "first!" Bull**** On the OP and now starting with the "::good::" OR let them say that **** is good and you can listen...you can always re-flash another from not listed above good luck brother
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intended in full pun, i did say it was my opinion due to its what i have used, im currently on or wanna try. i didnt put a gun to his head stating he has to get any rom in particular. those are the ones i had flashed and tried out. how can i opiniate on any rom that i havent flashed myself..... does it make any sense? in regards of going for first? what does that even mean? as stated above, i only gave my opinion on working roms that i used. intended in full is the fact that the individual that asked the question asked for the responders personal opinions. so with that said i'll extend my freedom of speech to say, this site is for developers that help us out to get the maximum of our devices, if your a developer then create your own and publish it. dont bash nobodies work. their time invested is FREE. only thing they have its the donations we make. with that said i bid you well and happy flashings
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dont bash nobodies work. their time invested is FREE. only thing they have its the donations we make. with that said i bid you well and happy flashings
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So true. Sorta want to put this in my signature. I was thinking the same thing. Whether ROMs are good or bad is mostly opinion, unless they don't boot or something. I tried most of the ROMs mentioned above and honestly, even though I'm not using any of them now, they were all okay. Just didn't fit my preferences.
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you have to do exactly as op directs... im looking to switch here today with the new chimera rom. only issue i had was now with the infamous 2.4.5.1 radio signal is lost. imma research on that later. love infamous but im so always ready to try new things i wana see what the fuzz about chimera is. just recheck your steps and enjoy. took me on the first try to get infamous. but again best of luck on whichever rom you decide to use. everything will have hang ups here and there. its developing, it happens. nothing is perfect but if you know any ways to make it so then implement your own time and start creating your own.
its best i can recommend. then again everyone is entitled to their own opinion.:good:
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yeah, i followed the exact instructions in the infamous thread. finally got it to work when i used the darkside superwipe prior to flashing the rom. had just been doing the "wipe data/factory reset" option in cwm recovery prior to that.
so far it's great. really smooth. not sure i'll ever take time to learn the programming skills necessary to do any software development so i'm glad there are lots of people here doing it for me. :good:
i just flashed chimera vs hercules and im speachless....it has sooooo many tweaks enabled by user that it just blows your mind.. *just stating my opinion* ill be back later and will let you know how is the vanilla ROM...so far im still loving this chimera with all hits user options but i have to try as many as i can so i can give a true opinion. might ned to do a lil radio research but other than that im deff making chimera my ride or die!!! happy flashings!!:laugh:
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i just flashed chimera vs hercules and im speachless....it has sooooo many tweaks enabled by user that it just blows your mind.. *just stating my opinion* ill be back later and will let you know how is the vanilla ROM...so far im still loving this chimera with all hits user options but i have to try as many as i can so i can give a true opinion. might ned to do a lil radio research but other than that im deff making chimera my ride or die!!! happy flashings!!:laugh:
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Agreed. I had to revert back to Tuesday since I couldn't disable the touch key lights.
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Thanks for the input. Now if info of problems by version could be consolidated to see what I might be getting myself into, to weigh the pros and cons easier...
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Thanks for the input. Now if info of problems by version could be consolidated to see what I might be getting myself into, to weigh the pros and cons easier...
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between the 3 ROMs i addressed the only issue i have had its i lost my 4g on chimeravshercules. but imma do some research and find radios to flash unto it and see if that helps my issue. other issue i seen is the desktop f/c but since yesterday it has only happened twice. its lightning fast for the most part and i LOVE the fact that i can customize as i want.as for juggernaut v5.0, itsa beast no issues i seen and for infamous the only prob i had was it installed team win recovery v*** which i dont care much for. reverted back to my backup and reflashed and worked great again. so until i get the vanilla ROM thats all i can input.:victory:
Im using Mr. X stock tmobile ics version, very stable and i havent had a problem with it so its been my dd since it came out. You should try it out...All you need to do is read the OP carefully and do what it says.
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Agreed. I had to revert back to Tuesday since I couldn't disable the touch key lights.
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Out of curiosity... How is Tuesday better than an ics rom? Not knocking it trust me. I just wanted some info please. Also I hear he is working on an ics version as well
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If your still in gb go with beastMOD 5.0. Hands down the best rom on gingerbread, followed by juggernaut 5.0. If you want a stable ics rom go with DARKSIDE v7. Amazing rom.
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AOKP is working out some final kinks, but once it is done I think it will be the best.
Same boat here. ICS is just trash for me. My calls suck on low signal and wifi calling has a 3-4 second delay and thats with stock. I did all clean installs to ICS and wiped and wiped and wiped and it didn't change a thing. I tried Darkside before the official ICS drop and wifi calling was worse but regular calls were better. I was hoping AOKP would be ready by now. I'm going to have to go back to GB. I don't really want to but I can't really use my phone as a damn phone most of the time. I guess the trade off is having it look cool and making calls with GrooveIP at home.
May try Darkside and Beastmod before restoring GB stock rooted. I really really want to keep Apex.
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Darkside is nice. Camera is better, wifi calling echo is gone too. Getting the weird dialing out after calls drop though.

[Q] What makes ICS worth the risk to you?

Hey guys. I'm just coming to the 4g touch after hard bricking my Fascinate. I'm a little hesitant to flash an ICS rom on this thing after the brick. From what I'm reading here it seems ICS roms on this phone are even less stable than they are on the Fascinate and causing a lot of hard bricks.
Really the only differences I noticed in ICS were the ability to pull down the notifications bar from the lock screen(which I absolutely loved) and the panorama camera option which can be had using Camera ICS. Is there something else I'm missing?
With better battery life, better performance and stability in GB, what brings you to ICS prior to source being released?
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Hey guys. I'm just coming to the 4g touch after hard bricking my Fascinate. I'm a little hesitant to flash an ICS rom on this thing after the brick. From what I'm reading here it seems ICS roms on this phone are even less stable than they are on the Fascinate and causing a lot of hard bricks.
Really the only differences I noticed in ICS were the ability to pull down the notifications bar from the lock screen(which I absolutely loved) and the panorama camera option which can be had using Camera ICS. Is there something else I'm missing?
With better battery life, better performance and stability in GB, what brings you to ICS prior to source being released?
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The risk of bricking has been minimized through the hard work of our Devs and programming community. If you thoroughly read and follow posted installation instructions you aren't likely to brick.
People mainly brick when they get in a rush, or try and take short cuts or simply disregard posted instructions.
There are plenty of enhancements in ICS over GB, I'd suggest people flash a ROM and explore them for yourself. Just read, read, read and ask questions before you ever take any step you are unsure of.
I'll agree with Esoteric68 here. She's spot on about the 'brick' issue. Do you research before you do anything!
As to the why of it? This is xda developers the people here tend to be into tweaking (in the non-meth sense) with technology and like to ride the bleeding edge of technology or squeeze out the most from the old stuff.
I've like the ICS builds for some of the items you've mentioned. Plus I get to stay ahead of the curve, as it where with my technology. Myself I've only had one application that won't support ICS and found another one to supplant it. I like the smoothness and tweaks I can do with ICS.
There are some really great developers here and some awesome ROMs to play with. Just, as already mentioned, read 1st and be careful.
I was scared to flash ICS for a couple months because it wasn't official but I've done my research like everyone says to do. I can't tell you how many times I've flashed ICS roms this past week, not one scare. Just read up and do as the devs say and you'll be good. If you're not sure, ask questions.
I've got the same question as the op roughly. I know that it isn't much of a risk flashing ICS nowadays, but am wondering what in ICS was worth it for people to make the change. I've looked around and don't see too many features really that I don't see in GB so i feel like i'm missing something.
I'm also one who appreciates all the work the devs do to put together these roms for all of us with all the tweaks they put in. Like I mentioned I'm just now waiting to get my 4g touch in the mail tomorrow after bricking my Fascinate. I had been running a number of ICS roms on my Fassy prior to the brick and while I loved playing with them it seemed like the tweaks the devs put into the roms were unrelated to the actual update of the OS. I had been flashing roms for that phone since the early Froyo days so I had thought I had a pretty good idea of what I was doing and always read the proper way to flash things but then one fateful day I tried to flash the latest MIUI coming from MIUI 1.2.9 and ended up with a bootloop, I think I forgot to wipe date/cache. No problem I thought, this has happened before, just ODIN stock and start over. But then something went terribly wrong in ODIN and now I'm left with a phone that won't turn on, won't charge and comes up as "unrecognized" on my pc. If I could just get it into download mode I could save it but I haven't been able to. Now it's got me a little more cautious of what I flash and how often I'll be flashing.
Maybe the devs can answer this since they know more about insides of the OS. Are there things you can modify in ICS that were not possible in GB?
There is a very long and technical thread about the ICS 'super bricking' issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644364
Basically Sammy screwed the pooch with the way ICS kernels make(s) calls to wipe partitions, particularly the EMMC controller.
It's actually a 'hard coded' firmware thing. But since it is firmware, it should be fixable via a firmware flash. It's just we don't really have that code access from Sammy and they seem to be dragging their feet on this.
There are even OTA updates in Europe (France primarily) that are superbricking a load of Galaxy Notes!
sfhub, Entropy512, garwynn and others with way more skills than most are on it. Esoteric68, robertm2011 and a few others took the risk and spent the time to test the workarounds and fixes that were put together. And you'll see from all the activity here that if caution is used you can pretty safely flash away. Since I've had time this week I've actually flashed about 8 different ROMs and restored nandroids too.
Just keep in mind to read the OPs of any ROM and follow their flashing instructions, read the 'how not to brick' stickies etc.
sfhub, chris41g and Agat put together some great 'safe' kernels.
If you're truly worried you can always use sfhub's one-click to get you to a stock FF18 build - kernel, ROM and modem at one shot.
ICS builds are really quite different in the structure to GB. So yes, as a developer, there are a few more things you can do. It's just a matter of figuring out where things are.
Good luck and have fun!
my location services and gps were horrendous with the el29 update, on ICS its soooooo much better, that made it worth the risk to me
I read and read and read and read a little more until I no longer saw it as a risk. It became more of a "why not?" Now that I have experienced ICS I will never go back. I really like the streamlined multitasking. I think that is the prominent feature. :cyclops:
The old adage is: Don't fly higher than your willing to fall.
In this situation, practice techniques, development and ROMs on a device you're not afraid of bricking. Consider it a "tool of the trade". The OLED phones are starting to appear in pawn shops for little money.
I have asurion insurance and am trying to find a reason to use it so I didn't waste my money
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By far my favorite feature is the swipe away notifications. The few times I have been back on GB that was the first thing that bothered me. I can never go back. Especially after tasting AOSP. TouchWiz is trash for me. I suggest you try CM9 or AOKP. Both excellent ROMs with great support right now. There are many more reasons why ICS is superior, depending on preference I suppose, but the bottom line is at this point, with safe recoveries being released, your chance of bricking are I'd say slim provided you follow instructions. I have flashed probably 40 Roms over the last few months. Only time I soft bricked was cause I tried to cowboy up and not follow directions...
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I'm confused. Whats the risk?
ICS is dead simple to install if you know how to read.
(genuinely curious seeing as i've had ICS (in different forms) on my E4GT since it was possible. Currently on CM9.)
Yep I echo everyone's advice. Ask questions!
I got the phone a month ago and remember starting a thread asking a ton of questions and I got all the help I needed.
Flashing roms and the terminology (had never heard of Odin) was completely different from the last phone I had, so I am glad I did my homework before taking the plunge.
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There's no risk...
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It is safe to flash ICS using ODIN and the newer recoveries. FF18 should be safe, I used it a few times, el26 is the recommend kernel/recovery to flash any cwm zip with as far as anything that includes wiping partitions.
Just remember ODIN ODIN ODIN!
Flash ICS based roms at your own risk, stay away from wipe data/factory reset on any ICS rom until it has been confirmed working on new roms. When using other ICS roms and you are not sure, DO NOT FACTORY RESET OR WIPE DATA. USE ODIN TO GET BACK TO A SAFE KERNEL.
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What risk? Read the how to's and no so how to's, and the risk gets eliminated.
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Watch this thread... Soon there should be no risk at all!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28400468
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Can anyone tell me if it is safe to install a build version of ICS to my already flashed epic 4g touch? Any help its greatly appreciated!
Thanks
ICS isn't where you get in trouble. Its going back to gb or doing a factory reset wipe. Use calks wipe all instead of using wipes in an ICS recovery and you will be golden. Read the how not to brick my phone thread if you are really paranoid.
Blu Kuban
Its what all the cool kids are using.
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Best ICS Rom

Look Im seeing A LOT of people complaining about the new update, I want to know which ROM is the best to use without the problems, I prefer to use ODIN and was wondering if the one click full restore for FF18 is having those problems or should I just wait for them to fix this problem before doing a system restore. I just got my phone back from samsung and was waiting to root for the update to come out but if there is problems with it I just prefer to wait.
Just do the one click full restore ff18. There is absolutely nothing wrong with ICS. Don't let anyone tell you there is.
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revamper said:
Just do the one click full restore ff18. There is absolutely nothing wrong with ICS. Don't let anyone tell you there is.
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+1 the ICS is fine. It is different and I think that is causing most of the issues for people.
tFF18 from Agat
AKush1279 said:
Look Im seeing A LOT of people complaining about the new update, I want to know which ROM is the best to use without the problems, I prefer to use ODIN and was wondering if the one click full restore for FF18 is having those problems or should I just wait for them to fix this problem before doing a system restore. I just got my phone back from samsung and was waiting to root for the update to come out but if there is problems with it I just prefer to wait.
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I used the stock leaks for quite a while, then tried out the tFF18 ROM (plus his custom kernal) from Agat. It seems like my battery life may have dropped slightly but overall loving it. There is nothing wrong with stock FF18, it is great also. When I upgraded to tFF18 I didn't wipe the phone and all my apps / settings worked fine still, because it's based on the stock ROM.
Gingerbread is definitely smoother as far as scrolling goes...
Other than that, the improvements in ICS seem to be to my liking. Google is definitely taking after cyanogen and putting in some stuff that more people want to see on the greatest OS Android!
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yeah dude, dont let anyione tell you that you get ****ty battery life, scrolling is like a crazy whore running after crack, the buttons sometimes dont work, the settings crash, facebook doesnt sync, exchange has problems. also
* Roaming Guard now ignores settings and alerts you continuously to improve your awareness.
* Adds a cool stuttering effect to chrome browser just in case you missed it the first time.
* Allows you to better focus on your phone while running or driving by not taking commands from a Bluetooth headphone set while the screen is of.
* Allows you to scroll from top to bottom of a list in .02 seconds even when you dont mean to for faster navigation.
* And many more!
It's all a small base of about 60% of the users that are experiencing this. And even thou our devs are great its hard to make a diamond out of ****.
Just saying FF18 should have just been a leak. Nothing more. There's a lot of really cool features ICS brings, but all the ICS roms that are there now are just themed versions of stock with different launchers. Just saying... 14 roms with all different colors... wtf?
This update, of course, does nothing to fix Sprint's horrid network. So, if you have a crumby data connection now you'll have one after as well =)
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yeah dude, dont let anyione tell you that you get ****ty battery life, scrolling is like a crazy whore running after crack, the buttons sometimes dont work, the settings crash, facebook doesnt sync, exchange has problems.
It's all a small base of about 60% of the users that are experiencing this. And even thou our devs are great its hard to make a diamond out of ****.
Just saying FF18 should have just been a leak. Nothing more. There's a lot of really cool features ICS brings, but all the ICS roms that are there now are just themed versions of stock with different launchers. Just saying... 14 roms with all different colors... wtf?
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Just because you have issues does not mean there are issues. I can have a ferrari that does not run right, that does not mean that ferrari's are bad. I sync exchange with no issues, never had bad battery, and settings do not crash. I would check your own setup and not blame ICS.
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Just because you have issues does not mean there are issues. I can have a ferrari that does not run right, that does not mean that ferrari's are bad. I sync exchange with no issues, never had bad battery, and settings do not crash. I would check your own setup and not blame ICS.
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yeah its stock.
and funny thing theres a **** load of forums that have these problems. people that dont want to root. look on sprints forums.
btw funny ears...lol
alexpatcas said:
yeah its stock.
and funny thing theres a **** load of forums that have these problems. people that dont want to root. look on sprints forums.
btw funny ears...lol
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Stock does not really mean anything, It could be apps your running in the background. I have used the leaks since day 1 and have my own ROM, and the only one I can say is an issue is scrolling.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/com...nes-and-devices/samsung/samsung_epic_4g_touch - check this **** out
see how applauded the update is.
Do you even know what you are talking about? Obviously not. Had you actually installed one of the '14 different colors' you would realize there are significant differences between custom roms. These devs spend vast amounts of time making these roms, various tweaks for battery life and performance , custom interfaces, and a ton of added features you will not see on any stock device. There is a hell of a lot more to it than choosing that perfect shade of blue. Don't discredit others hard work when you obviously have not made the slightest effort to educate yourself beyond looking at a couple of screen shots.
To answer the OP most of the roms are good, try them for yourself everybody has a different style. Start with a few of the Team Venum roms and go from there.
OP, if i were u, try out a few cuatom ics roms to see how u feel about them. I myself tried 2 - supernova and blu kuban. I ditched supernova bc it was laggy and slower than calkulin's v3.0 gb rom. But it was stable for me. I ditched blu kuban bc it wouldnt let kakaotalk work correctly and some apps would crash a few times. Otherwise, i loved it and wished i could've kept it on my phone. For now, i'm back with calkulin and just waiting for an ics setup that can meet and/or exceed the calkulin 3.0.
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Do you even know what you are talking about? Obviously not. Had you actually installed one of the '14 different colors' you would realize there are significant differences between custom roms. These devs spend vast amounts of time making these roms, various tweaks for battery life and performance , custom interfaces, and a ton of added features you will not see on any stock device. There is a hell of a lot more to it than choosing that perfect shade of blue. Don't discredit others hard work when you obviously have not made the slightest effort to educate yourself beyond looking at a couple of screen shots.
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did you just get mad? chill out bro. and as i said before is not the devs fault. It's hard to make the ff18 into anything slightly functional, sprint just threw **** at us.
I'm working on a rom with a dev right now, i haven't released a rom since the days of the diamond, so i wanna test it all the way. I'm leaving the rest to the public.
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did you just get mad? chill out bro. and as i said before is not the devs fault. It's hard to make the ff18 into anything slightly functional, sprint just threw **** at us.
I'm working on a rom with a dev right now, i haven't released a rom since the days of the diamond, so i wanna test it all the way. I'm leaving the rest to the public.
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It is not hard and FF18 is not crap. Just my opinion.
FF18 plays nice on some devices, bad for other devices since the FF builds. I'm running the calk 1.6 ICS ROM with agats custom kernel and I honestly couldn't be any happier... I can keep my captive button lights on and haptic feedback on. It's a dream. On stock ff18 or custom ROMs, it all goes wrong out of no where with issues like captive buttons not working sometimes unless I turn off screen and on or hit the vol button. I guess its a 50/50 chance.
I haven't tried the blu k ROM simply because it is over themed for my usage... maybe if there was a non themed version I would.
I just find it funny people have been begging for ics since forever.. Now it's here and people like "aww man f*ck ics.. It's not all that"... Don't let anybody steer you from going to ICS.. I was using GB since forever and like ics better &haven't had bad battery life.. Actually been better... People Also need to take in consideration what they run and have more realistic standards for battery life... It may take a while to find a set up you like but it's possible
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so...what ics roms do you guys like?
i'm using super galaxy
noahsarky said:
so...what ics roms do you guys like?
i'm using super galaxy
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I love Calks 1.6 ICS ROM with agats new kernel built from source sadly a game I love isn't that friendly with ICS so I might go back to Blazer 4.1 till some game devs learn to update their games for new OS updates lol
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so...what ics roms do you guys like?
i'm using super galaxy
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I'm using the blu kuban rom.. I love the rom, all the features, battery life, and stability.. He put a lot of attention and hard work into the rom & supports it constantly...My only regret is not trying it sooner but I was still a noob and stock on GB (haven't had this phone long)
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