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Anyone else feel like the phone ran better stock?

Maybe its just me, but when I first got the phone I had no problems.. Now after rooting and flashing custom roms I get random freezes, crazy battery drain and the infamous LOS.. and contrary to popular belief it has something to do with root.. I didn't root my phone or anything for at least a week after having it and none of the problems started until after.. Most people are having are probably having the same issues but since members on here always want to bite your head off anytime you say something they don't agree with, noone says anything. Im just making an observation and if you don't like it, feel free to hit the back button anyways, anyone feel the same way? BTW this isn't a rant against the developers. They are all great and I appreciate all the hard work.. I just feel like theres a missing link or something causing the problems.. what are ypur thoughts
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Lol, no.
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I feel the same way... I'm getting serious battery loss after flashing a few of these roms.. with stock Rom I was getting a good 20 hours moderate use.. now with custom roms I'm getting like 10 hourz... I'm In noway knocking on any devs.. I do appreciate everyones contribution... I think it's a lil still early in the galaxy development
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Mine ran great fresh out the box for sure, but thats also because it was fresh and had no apps installed etc lol.
Some roms seem to work better than others. Running Starbust 1.2 with zedo's 4.1 kernel and it's running absolutely great now, better than unrooted IMO.
Could be grass in greener on the other side syndrome, try unrooting and see if you still feel that it runs better stock. With ODIN it's pretty quick and easy to jump back from rooted to not and back again.
I will always be rooted because I love trying out new things and custom roms and overclocking/undervolting etc.. it's fun, like a hobby for sure. And sometimes that hobby especially with beta stuff isnt that stable lol!
Just having adfree and wifi tethering is more than enough reason for me to root. But when the really cool custom roms start coming out, it's gunna be on like donkey kong
I did run a rooted rom with the stock kernel, and I have to say I like zedo's better.
My 2 cents

jok3sta said:
Maybe its just me, but when I first got the phone I had no problems.. Now after rooting and flashing custom roms I get random freezes, crazy battery drain and the infamous LOS.. and contrary to popular belief it has something to do with root.. I didn't root my phone or anything for at least a week after having it and none of the problems started until after.. Most people are having are probably having the same issues but since members on here always want to bite your head off anytime you say something they don't agree with, noone says anything. Im just making an observation and if you don't like it, feel free to hit the back button anyways, anyone feel the same way? BTW this isn't a rant against the developers. They are all great and I appreciate all the hard work.. I just feel like theres a missing link or something causing t runninghe problems.. what are ypur thoughts
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
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I'm running stock + root.
There's nothing even remotely interesting to me in the current incarnations of the 3-4 roms available - they are all stock+ mods+ bugs.
Thank you very much but I can install those mods myself.
It's your own fault your phone is running like crap - don't mod it if you don't know what you are doing.

jok3sta said:
Most people are having are probably having the same issues
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Source?
My stock-rooted E4GT is working just fine. No LoS, no random reboots, no freezing up, no locking up... no bloat, great battery life, no BS.

I had a ton of issues with LOS and some random reboots on Zedomax's root kernel. Flashed to the stock + CMR and havent had an issue since.

I'll be serious now.
Aside from me disagreeing that root is the cause of LOS issues (I got them stock too) this is all part of the fun of modifying your gadgets.
Fun? Yeah, I said fun. These are insanely complex devices and it is still very early in their development cycle. If you aren't game then style out of it for a while until things mature. Hacking around ain't for everybody... As long as I maintain basic functionality I/we will (eventually) figure out the rest. That's the fun part.
That said I haven't experienced any of what you describe, besides a few unexpected FCs.
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nabbed said:
I'm running stock + root.
There's nothing even remotely interesting to me in the current incarnations of the 3-4 roms available - they are all stock+ mods+ bugs.
Thank you very much but I can install those mods myself.
It's your own fault your phone is running like crap - don't mod it if you don't know what you are doing.
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Haha ur a clown.. I've probably been modding my phones before you had your first smartphone. I've been modding smartphones since the T-Mobile mda days and Ive had 8 or 9 since then all modded. I know the risks that come with modding. So don't assume because you jus make an ass out of... well you know the rest. Anyway.. I was just making a statement to maybe see if others are having the same issues, or if maybe its just my handset. I'm going to try going back to Stock rooted and see if the issues continue.. right now I'm on starburst 1.2 with zedo 4.1.
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daneurysm said:
I'll be serious now.
Aside from me disagreeing that root is the cause of LOS issues (I got them stock too) this is all part of the fun of modifying your gadgets.
Fun? Yeah, I said fun. These are insanely complex devices and it is still very early in their development cycle. If you aren't game then style out of it for a while until things mature. Hacking around ain't for everybody... As long as I maintain basic functionality I/we will (eventually) figure out the rest. That's the fun part.
That said I haven't experienced any of what you describe, besides a few unexpected FCs.
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I agree with the fun part.. I mod anything I get my hands on. Not only my phones. Computers, cars you name it.. its in my nature.
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g

I'm stock with root, and it runs smoother than when I was on oc kernel
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I agree that LOS is not caused by rooted kernal. But, I did experience LOS alot more often than stock kernal. When I got the phone I stayed unrooted for a little over a week. I experienced 2 LOS during that time period. Once I finally rooted I was experiencing LOS @ least 3 times a day. LOS also drains the battery like crazy. One night I left the phone off the charger with 100% battery life. When I woke up, the phone was in LOS and only had 40% battery life. Well, today last night I finally switched to stock kernal. So far today no LOS.
I digress. Stock rom works perfect but I needed so mods that require root. The battery percent mod, wireless tether, and roam control. I think I'll wait for an AOSP rom before I try anything different roms.

I've tried all the currently available kernals for ths phone. I've rooted and unrooted. Right now, i'm on stock rooted. I'm still experiencing LOS, but it seems less frequent than when I was on custom kernals. It could be other criteria, though. I haven't tried any of the ROMs, only because I want a stock ROM to flash, if something goes wrong. I don't remember the epic taking this long to get the stock ROM available to us. My memory may be slipping, though.
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jok3sta said:
Haha ur a clown.. I've probably been modding my phones before you had your first smartphone. I've been modding smartphones since the T-Mobile mda days and Ive had 8 or 9 since then all modded. I know the risks that come with modding. So don't assume because you jus make an ass out of... well you know the rest. Anyway.. I was just making a statement to maybe see if others are having the same issues, or if maybe its just my handset. I'm going to try going back to Stock rooted and see if the issues continue.. right now I'm on starburst 1.2 with zedo 4.1.
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
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Stop whining!

nabbed said:
Stop whining!
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Not really sure where you see whining. But I do see a clown who has nothing better to do that reply to my "whining". thanks for the post bump though. Now back on topic.. lets keep this sucka free please
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g

this is why I will wait another week or 2 before rooting....this phone is awe sum as stock, but, like any newly released phone, it takes a few weeks before all the truly revolutionary stuff gets developed.
Most devs have a real job, a family, and a real life, so you can't really expect flashing "nirvana" only a week or so after a phone comes out.

jok3sta said:
I agree with the fun part.. I mod anything I get my hands on. Not only my phones. Computers, cars you name it.. its in my nature.
Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
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Same mentality here my man. It's either rooted... Overclocked.... Or supercharged. I like things over the top lol. Heck even my gas powered scooters and rc cars are souped up. Sorry.... Back on target.
Samsung Galaxy S II

I'm stock since day 1, when the phone first released, and I get LOS once a day. It's killing me not to have root, but I am not modding unless there is a factory RUU available straight from Samsung. Personally, and to no discredit to the developers, I don't trust the stock rom pulled from another phone. This phone is just a bit too new for me to be permanently altering it without a 100% safe way back. The OG Epic was made almost unbrickable, so it's reasonable to assume that a year from now, we will be rolling like pigs in **** with cool stuff to flash.
But I get what you are saying, and honestly, the community did not explode like I thought it would. Seems to be more HTC fans these days then Samsung, and just judging from Samsung's post launch support, or lack thereof, I can understand why...
Furthermore, my 3G speeds were horrible day 1 and continue to suck balls. Most times at work I can't even browse the market because of timeouts. 4G seems to work good though, and that's the only reason I haven't just returned this phone yet.
Check this thread:
http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/76962?start=0&tstart=0
This is sprint's official forum, and they are just now admitting to the crappy radio implementation on this phone. Should have seen this coming a mile away, but honestly I was just too busy looking at this gorgeous 4.52" AMOLED+ screen to notice...

This is the first phone I've had were I don't feel the need to root, and I wouldn't have rooted until it had been perfected more.
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my main reason for rooting was a few apps i had that needed root. as well as the battery percentage

To Root or Not To Root?

Coming from an Evo 4G that I had rooted right after I got it... ran a ton of different ROMs and that phone seemed like it needed to be rooted to really make it run right... I'm finding that I really don't see any benefit to rooting this phone (other than free tether)...
So, am I missing something? What are these improvements in these custom ROMs that are making it worth it to root... this thing is so freakin awesome already I just can't think of anything else I need...

There are tons of perks in the custom ROMs: themes, TSM-mod, cm7, MIUI, faster lighter ROMs, debloated, Rouge recovery to name a few. If you flashed roms on the EVO im sure its just a matter of time until you dive into the ET4g dev section.

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phatmanxxl said:
There are tons of perks in the custom ROMs: themes, TSM-mod, cm7, MIUI, faster lighter ROMs, debloated, Rouge recovery to name a few. If you flashed roms on the EVO im sure its just a matter of time until you dive into the ET4g dev section.
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What's "TSM-mod" and "Rogue recovery".. Or more precisely, what are the advantages of them?
I've looked around at the Dev section but the phone's been out long enough that it's hard to find threads that actually explain what all this is.. it's just assumed that I already know...
I know, I know.. use the search fxn... you dont have to flame me... I'll find out on my own

blakjak220 said:
Yeah, I'm not saying I can deny the "flash bug" for long... but I'm so impressed with the phone as is that I'm content for now I guess...
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If your impressed now, just wait till you start flashin'.
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Reason to flash=MIUI.
Calkulin's rom is great for a boost of performance on a stock rom as well...

Honestly, if you're happy with the phone as is, then maybe you should just leave it as it is until something comes along that makes you change your mind. Having a stock/unrooted phone is not a sin

blakjak220 said:
What's "TSM-mod" and "Rogue recovery".. Or more precisely, what are the advantages of them?
I've looked around at the Dev section but the phone's been out long enough that it's hard to find threads that actually explain what all this is.. it's just assumed that I already know...
I know, I know.. use the search fxn... you dont have to flame me... I'll find out on my own
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Tsm is like Cyanogen settings from the cm7 roms, but compatible with Samsung ROMs, Rogue recovery is clockwork recovery but redone, the options are grouped better, better theme, a lot less pain in the ass to use.
Oh yea check out qbking77's videos, he does a lot of how to's and reviews of ET4g ROMs, great stuff.

cds0699 said:
Honestly, if you're happy with the phone as is, then maybe you should just leave it as it is until something comes along that makes you change your mind. Having a stock/unrooted phone is not a sin
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I completely agree. That's what I do with my phones. It also gives you time to get really comfortable with the new device as I know quite a few things change going from an htc phone to a samsung device. I generally will use the phone as is out of the box until I find something I can't bear, don't like or if there is actually a defect of some sort in the software. At which point, I check xda and see if there are fixes for said problems. If there are fixes and you're comfortable, root it and give it a shot. I'd suggest Calkulin's as it kinda seems like the go to rom for just about everyone on here, then maybe venture into the abyss. I'd suggest staying away from modems and other mods until you understand them and are comfortable.

I agree as well, nothing wrong rocking a completely stock phone. There are times I run a stock (debloated) rom just for a change.

I'm running a rooted with no fancy rom phone here. The only reason I haven't flashed a rom yet is because my first phone had GPS problems and this one doesn't. And plus, my evo with 3.0 rom has its own issues too. So I just don't want to jinx it. My wife's phone has the GPS problem. Thinking about bringing it in to the store for a replacement.
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Root? Root... ROOT!!!!!!

phatmanxxl said:
Tsm is like Cyanogen settings from the cm7 roms, but compatible with Samsung ROMs, Rogue recovery is clockwork recovery but redone, the options are grouped better, better theme, a lot less pain in the ass to use.
Oh yea check out qbking77's videos, he does a lot of how to's and reviews of ET4g ROMs, great stuff.
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Thanks man, for the info and the referral. I'm comfortable enough with rooting and tech that it's just a matter of learning the different names for things, as it all goes by something different over here.
And thanks to everyone else for their input... I think I'm just gonna run it stock until I find something I can't live with.. Because right now, I love this thing.

Ok, scratch that.. I rooted yesterday.. just couldn't help myself, I need to be able to tweak the notifications toggles...

Like a drug, its good stuff you probably don't like nascar anyways either or kies or the allinone messenger battery sucker or the.... well ya dig..?
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Mynaga said:
Like a drug, its good stuff you probably don't like nascar anyways either or kies or the allinone messenger battery sucker or the.... well ya dig..?
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Dig.........

blakjak220 said:
Coming from an Evo 4G that I had rooted right after I got it... ran a ton of different ROMs and that phone seemed like it needed to be rooted to really make it run right... I'm finding that I really don't see any benefit to rooting this phone (other than free tether)...
So, am I missing something? What are these improvements in these custom ROMs that are making it worth it to root... this thing is so freakin awesome already I just can't think of anything else I need...
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To be perfectly honest with you the way to go is stock rooted. None of the TW roms are really offering anything so much more exciting than stock TW. But definitely root it. On the practical side you can use the Wireless Tether app (if needed) block ads (a big thing for me) and access all files through Root Explorer. IMO those are reasons enough to root. In a nutshell, if you root your stock ROM you aren't really altering it and it is super easy to revert to non-rooted so there really is no downside as far as i can tell.

I debated the same thing... to root or not to root? I rooted and i am glad i did!

I held off for a while too but miui and the xplode roms are awesome. Just something different.
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Well I rooted and flashed Calk's ROM... within 5 minutes it was having freezes and what not so I said screw it and restored my nandroid of stock... I'll be stayin here for a while.
Edit: not saying anything bad about Calk's work... It prolly would've been resolved with a wipe and clean install and some tweaking but I'm just wanting fast stability right now and stock TW is super fast and my battery life is awesome

Two different Epics, two completely different needs

I know it's too late for most to be asking this, but I work 7 days a week from noon to 1am, so these are my actively posting and reading hours...hopefully when I wake up around 10am Pacific Time that I'll have some interesting answers.
So for me...running Legendary 2.2 ROM w/ the kernel that came w/ it, OC'd to 1.5GHZ using ROM Toolbox to control my CPU and SD read speeds. I realize this is only a 2.3.5 ROM running EC05, so I figure it might be time for a change/update. I'm happy w/ the ROM, but I imagine there is faster out there now. I don't care about batter life in the slightest because my phone is charging in it's dock for 4/5ths of my day. I want to get rid of the stupid screen fluttering/flashing that always seems to happen regardless of if I'm running a stock or extended battery, which seems to have been going on for maybe a year or so now...it's embarrassing and I'm tired of telling the same lie that I'm calibrating my battery, which is causing the flickering. I want OBSCENELY fast, no lagging, and no issues, ie no random reboots, locking, fast one moment that falls on it's face and laggy the next. I use my phone for streaming Pandora at work, surfing the internet and I'm a texting whore. I know NOTHING of ICS or of some of the latest GB ROMS, MTL vs BTL, pros and cons of any of the latest radios, but I've gotten the general idea that I'm going to steer clear of Cyanogen as I don't wanna be on anything that is still experimental and doesn't have 100% function of things like Bluetooth, WiFI, WiFi tethering (I tether to my car stereo everyday since it's an Android based 7" double din deck), making random calls w/o radio issues, etc.
For my friend...she's running a bone stock Epic on 2.3.6 running EL30. She has no root, no nothing...and she probably wouldn't know the wiser until I get my hands on it. She says she hates the phone compared to the EVO she lost, so I'm trying to revive her faith that she's holding onto a powerhouse w/ the right ROM and kernel combo. She's a lady in her late 40's to early 50's, could care less about fancy tweaks, etc...she just wants it to work, period. Apparently the proximity sensor isn't working since she complained to me that she'll be talking and suddenly the phone is muted and people can't hear her....could be her, could be lag in the phone, who's to say. I assume she wants a plain Jane ROM, just that I root it, delete some of the bloat and I'm guessing battery life is important since most women I know never remember to throw their phones on the charger until it's about to die anyways,,,sucks during those peak bootycall hours
Anyways, I'd love to hear opinions, preferably concrete from those who've tried one vs the other, for both her and my situations. I've been on Legendary so long now that mods I used to follow are gone, understanding what the acronyms between the []'s boxes has become confusing, and I swear there forums have jumped leaps and bounds in terms of complexity in deciding on which ROM to run.
In doing some quick reading tonight, I'm guessing CleanGB 2.2 for her, but I have no clue for my particular needs/issues.

Wrong section. Post it in Q&A.
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Don't know how you think cyanogen is expieremental. Its pretty stable, well cm9 is anyhow, cm7 has a video issue for some. But I run aokp, with the samurai kernel which is what legendary had in it. That kernel has come a long way since that ROM. If you click my banner it will take you to the site for them =] he has multiple platform kernels. Bml touchwiz or mtd, miui and miuiV4, cm7 and cm9/aokp. anyways not to persuade you once you try ICS you can't really go back... unless you have a extremely bad expierence for whatever reason. If you wish to stick to touchwiz, the peoples rom... is the way to go.
As for the lady friend, the same the peoples ROM. Its simple already removed of the bloat, and comes with a stable kernel, until earthbound releases his fc09 kernel for peoples rom. If she likes pink there is a nice dream of pink theme in the themes section by travmofosho. Its in the thread with bloody survival.
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phonehunter59 said:
Wrong section. Post it in Q&A.
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First off, what he said. After 400+ posts, you should know this. Kenny will move this shortly, I'm sure.
Secondly, MTD is a more stable format with more built-in room for apps for your phone. I highly recommend it.
After that, I recommend any EL30 or newer rom, as they're more stable than previous editions. Everybody has different results. There's a few, try them out.
Finally, if all that you use your phone for is "Pandora at work, surfing the internet and I'm a texting whore," then you should have no problem with your phone appearing "OBSCENELY fast." I regularly play Mario Kart 64 without so much as a hiccup and I have never overclocked beyond 1 Ghz.

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FNM

4am Pacific Time i create a thread. I ask a simple question in the custom ROM's subforum, get four replies within minutes of posting (not w/ the name of a ROM, but told I'm in the wrong place instead), thread gets towed to Q&A subforum, 5hrs later and not another reply since.
Awesome.
Correction - UBER edited his post, thanks for the input. That's all I wanted.

RandomKing also gave you an answer. Some gratitude that your thread was moved instead of deleted would also be nice. You, yourself said it was the middle of the night. Less attitudy would get you more answers.
Thanks
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ÜBER™ said:
Don't know how you think cyanogen is expieremental. Its pretty stable, well cm9 is anyhow, cm7 has a video issue for some. But I run aokp, with the samurai kernel which is what legendary had in it. That kernel has come a long way since that ROM. If you click my banner it will take you to the site for them =] he has multiple platform kernels. Bml touchwiz or mtd, miui and miuiV4, cm7 and cm9/aokp. anyways not to persuade you once you try ICS you can't really go back... unless you have a extremely bad expierence for whatever reason. If you wish to stick to touchwiz, the peoples rom... is the way to go.
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I've basically stopped reading about CM* ROM's since they're always beta each time I've read about them in the past w/ the list of their various issues of things not working...maybe I'm just generalizing, but that's why I've stopped considering them.
I'm not sure if I've ever read up on AOKP (I will today) but I've run various version of Samurai overtop Legendary ROM and none really gave any differences in performance. I tried 4-5 different version w/ different speeds, not for the sake of trying to get my phone to be faster, but to stop the flickering I seem to get daily now.
I thought Touchwiz was just a launcher, but from your reply, I'm guessing it's more than that. If it's just a style of launcher, I personally use LauncherPro on my phone and my car stereo. I've used 7ZIP countless time to bake in my own custom APK's, battery meters, etc. Of all those names you mentioned, ICS sounds like the way to go. I'm going to go read about People's ROM again, but I'm assuming that's still GB.
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As for the lady friend, the same the peoples ROM. Its simple already removed of the bloat, and comes with a stable kernel, until earthbound releases his fc09 kernel for peoples rom. If she likes pink there is a nice dream of pink theme in the themes section by travmofosho. Its in the thread with bloody survival.
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I mentioned CleanGB since the guy mentioned in the title it'e nothing fancy. If People's ROM is the way to go for her, sounds like I need to find a version that was pre FC09? Has he already released hs FC09 version then, because you're wording makes it sound like it's aleady out and been test and not stable.
I thought about just installing Legendary for her since I've had a generally good experience w/ it (sans my screen fluttering, but I've read it might just be a my phone being old issue), but ever since reflashing it a week or so again (seperate issue), I now get daily updates for install and updated version of Spring trying to push a download to me. I don't wanna flash her phone w/ my ROM, then she has to see an annoying update. Sounds like People's ROM it is.

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First off, what he said. After 400+ posts, you should know this. Kenny will move this shortly, I'm sure.
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My post #5 above is why I posted in "the wrong subforum" as I got more replies there within minutes vs 5hrs later and I've gotten nothing since being told I was in the wrong place.
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Secondly, MTD is a more stable format with more built-in room for apps for your phone. I highly recommend it.
After that, I recommend any EL30 or newer rom, as they're more stable than previous editions. Everybody has different results. There's a few, try them out.
Finally, if all that you use your phone for is "Pandora at work, surfing the internet and I'm a texting whore," then you should have no problem with your phone appearing "OBSCENELY fast." I regularly play Mario Kart 64 without so much as a hiccup and I have never overclocked beyond 1 Ghz.
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I'm still educating myself on MTD, so thanks for that information.
As for any EL30 ROM, that's where I was hoping for an exact answer...someone else who's tried this vs that. Duly note that everyone has different results when running certain ROM's, so I guess I'll just have to try a couple and see where they take me. I work no less that 75hrs a week on the 787 program, which is why I've been on Legendary for so long...I'm always at work. I was hoping for a "just install xxxxxx ROM, I came from Legendary to this and I loved the change".
Granted, I listed my main uses of my phone, but it still has it's little glitches. It's fast, but very occasionally it gets noticeably slower (LauncherPro gets choppy between scrolling screen vs buttery smooth, sometimes the screen takes a few seconds to react vs everything being bam, bam, bam, etc), so I do a reboot and everything is snappy again. Unless the battery is at 100%, I still get the annoying flickering of the screen regardless of how many times I've tried recalibrating the battery, using different version of Samurai kernel. The only thing that stops the flickering (which I hate doing) is to dim the screen. I'm hoping a different ROM will he;p solve my issues across the board.

kennyglass123 said:
RandomKing also gave you an answer. Some gratitude that your thread was moved instead of deleted would also be nice. You, yourself said it was the middle of the night. Less attitudy would get you more answers.
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RandonKing gave me a generalized statement, ie which radio to go with, not a specific name of a specific ROM. That's more or less what I was hoping for. The MTD is good information though.
I posted in the subforum I did because I knew what would happen once it got towed here...which has in fact happened. It's not about showing gratitude or less "attitudy". I just wanted a question answered and posted in the place I new it'd get the most popular exposure to my specific questions vs being thrown into a bowl of questions that range from people favorite themes to how come my WiFi won't connect. I wanted a specific ROM question, so I asked in the subforum that discussed those and those alone.

Just play with some ROMs and see what you like. Like most will say, once you hop on CM9 or AOKP you won't go back. There's 0 reasons to be on ec05.
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Please do not post question threads in the Development section again. I do not like to give infractions but will for people crying for attention.
Now to answer your questions Touchwiz is not a launcher, it has a launcher. It is the default framework used by Samsung for these phones. Anything based on Samsung software such as EL30 or FC09 is Touchwiz. For the best EL30 ROM I feel CleanGB is it. For the best FC09 choose The People's ROM 2.0. Grab the first links stating clean versions.
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Just so you know CM7 is ROCK SOLID!!!!! Both me and the wife are on it with no issues. CM9 is solid but still work in progress I am waiting to make that jump back to 9 once it goes to RC. I have tried the Peoples it is solid as well it really depends on your needs and how your particular phone reacts to a ROM. Both mine and my wife's phone are slightly different with the exact same setup. As far as radios are concerned update to EL30 at least. If you have a hard time locating the files let me know just PM me. I haven't been around much lately real life getting in the way.

m5james said:
I've basically stopped reading about CM* ROM's since they're always beta each time I've read about them in the past w/ the list of their various issues of things not working...maybe I'm just generalizing, but that's why I've stopped considering them.
I'm not sure if I've ever read up on AOKP (I will today) but I've run various version of Samurai overtop Legendary ROM and none really gave any differences in performance. I tried 4-5 different version w/ different speeds, not for the sake of trying to get my phone to be faster, but to stop the flickering I seem to get daily now.
I thought Touchwiz was just a launcher, but from your reply, I'm guessing it's more than that. If it's just a style of launcher, I personally use LauncherPro on my phone and my car stereo. I've used 7ZIP countless time to bake in my own custom APK's, battery meters, etc. Of all those names you mentioned, ICS sounds like the way to go. I'm going to go read about People's ROM again, but I'm assuming that's still GB.
I mentioned CleanGB since the guy mentioned in the title it'e nothing fancy. If People's ROM is the way to go for her, sounds like I need to find a version that was pre FC09? Has he already released hs FC09 version then, because you're wording makes it sound like it's aleady out and been test and not stable.
I thought about just installing Legendary for her since I've had a generally good experience w/ it (sans my screen fluttering, but I've read it might just be a my phone being old issue), but ever since reflashing it a week or so again (seperate issue), I now get daily updates for install and updated version of Spring trying to push a download to me. I don't wanna flash her phone w/ my ROM, then she has to see an annoying update. Sounds like People's ROM it is.
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Yeah cyanogen is stable for the most part.. there are a few tiny perks but i've never had any issues on it. As for the samurai kernel ... like i've said your probably flashing older versions that are for EI22 which is what legendary is and thats the source of your problem... hes fixed and has perfected his kernels recently. What i mean with fc09 is that there isnt a samurai for fc09 as of yet... but the one that comes with it is nice and stable and simple... its not as tweaked as the samurai kernel.. its relatively stockish. So you dont need a pre fc09 version because there isnt one. So yes the peoples ROM will more than likely be the ROM for her... its still GB smooth and stable, and if she wants so more "taste" to it and she likes pink... go to the themes section and there is one in there for her .
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m5james said:
My post #5 above is why I posted in "the wrong subforum" as I got more replies there within minutes vs 5hrs later and I've gotten nothing since being told I was in the wrong place.
I'm still educating myself on MTD, so thanks for that information.
As for any EL30 ROM, that's where I was hoping for an exact answer...someone else who's tried this vs that. Duly note that everyone has different results when running certain ROM's, so I guess I'll just have to try a couple and see where they take me. I work no less that 75hrs a week on the 787 program, which is why I've been on Legendary for so long...I'm always at work. I was hoping for a "just install xxxxxx ROM, I came from Legendary to this and I loved the change".
Granted, I listed my main uses of my phone, but it still has it's little glitches. It's fast, but very occasionally it gets noticeably slower (LauncherPro gets choppy between scrolling screen vs buttery smooth, sometimes the screen takes a few seconds to react vs everything being bam, bam, bam, etc), so I do a reboot and everything is snappy again. Unless the battery is at 100%, I still get the annoying flickering of the screen regardless of how many times I've tried recalibrating the battery, using different version of Samurai kernel. The only thing that stops the flickering (which I hate doing) is to dim the screen. I'm hoping a different ROM will he;p solve my issues across the board.
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OH and the flickering.. is the RGB values and the Gama values being to high... its does a weird lines accross the screen??? especially on white screens? Then thats to blame. Get voodoo sound from the market and go to the voodoo color settings and lower the RGB's and the Gama.. As i said previously... your flashing old versions of the Samurai kernels... his newest ones arent for ei22 but EL30 so if you update... you will have a much smoother phone. Also... if you phone is being used for more than 15 hours.. the cache builds... then it forces apps to use more RAM... and this slows stuff down... Reboots are nessecary. Also the newest samurai has much better memory management... which will do this for you.. i got more than a day without a reboot and its just as smooth as it was when i first put in the battery... and im on ICS.. which uses a TON of RAM and requires more to run... and its still as slick as GB.

IMO nothing g is better than CleanGB EL30 MTD.
CM roms are always buggy it seems to me, no matter who likes them or says they are stable/great. I'd never use one, and certainly would never put one on another persons phone.
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kennyglass123 said:
Please do not post question threads in the Development section again. I do not like to give infractions but will for people crying for attention.
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Crying? Over-exaggerate, don't you think? I got the point, you don't have to belittle me as well for asking a question on a subforum that spoke of nothing more than the ROM's I'm in question about.

m5james said:
Crying? Over-exaggerate, don't you think? I got the point, you don't have to belittle me as well for asking a question on a subforum that spoke of nothing more than the ROM's I'm in question about.
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Probably not smart to argue with the mod... Just saying
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m5james said:
Crying? Over-exaggerate, don't you think? I got the point, you don't have to belittle me as well for asking a question on a subforum that spoke of nothing more than the ROM's I'm in question about.
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Yes you were *****ing in android development to get attention... id suggest removing this post before the mod removes you from xda.
I have given a ton of help you'd be smart to help your self and remove you post. And I will remove my quote.
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You admitted to deliberately posting in Development to get attention for a non-emergency question no less...big cry for attention. I suggest you read the forum rules.

Any stable ROMs to upgrade to?

Hey everyone,
I've been doing lots of ROM homework since the ICS update popped up on my stock but rooted 2.3.6 on tmo. Anyway I decided to freeze that device updater and pick a rom since it sounds like so many people were having issues with stock ICS. However, all the other ICS roms that have come out seem to be lacking functionality with bugs and other problems. Do these really hinder? For instance, I've been eyeing Darkside evo 3 since it seems the best but it sounds like everyone still has app hangs. AOKP has random reboots and call echo, no video cam various other roms have a mixture of those problems. If everyone is reporting problems, I ask myself "What can those ICS roms do that my GB can't that makes it worth it?" Or on the other hand, is the vast majority happy and don't bother to post their happiness and I only hear of the problems which are minority?
I ask because I get really frustrated if things don't work, especially when they did before. I get about 2 days of battery life now anyway and if I can't extend, I don't see much point. If darkside is legit, or another ics rom, should I go ahead and flash v7 or wait till v8? Also, I'm leaving the country on the 7th for a few months so I'd like something stable before then, especially when my phone is practically going to be my mobile computer.

It's really up to u what u would like... Me personally want to try them all that's way I can make my own decision... For example I was running eaglesblood and went to darkside eco. Then came the Ics update which took my root. Rerooted and flashed juggernaut which by the way is a beast. But since I not one to sit back and just settle, I jumped on infamous... There's a lot to learn from each ROM but if u want the tools are there. Don't settle. Always something is getting fixed or updated but whatever u do thank the devs... Without them we wouldn't have any of this happening.
As I said juggernaut is a beast in it's own right, I never had any issues with it. But once I flashed infamous I was super impressed of how fast all worked. Nothing has yet to f/c or give me any issues. The key to doing this is just follow instructions to a T. That's my best advice. Im new to this too but every dev def does their best to answer question as fast as they can.

Darkside 3v7 with venom kernel has been as stable as can be for me.
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If you don't wish to tolerate any issues then i would stick with stock. The name of the site is xda-DEVELOPERS.

infamous
think i'm in the same boat as the op. want to try a custom rom instead of official ics. i tried to flash infamous v2.5 from gb 2.3.6 but i got the dreaded boot loop. flashed it multiple times with no different result so i'm restoring my nandroid backup right now.
i read the whole infamous thread and everyone seems to say it's super stable so i'm not sure what i might have done wrong.

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think i'm in the same boat as the op. want to try a custom rom instead of official ics. i tried to flash infamous v2.5 from gb 2.3.6 but i got the dreaded boot loop. flashed it multiple times with no different result so i'm restoring my nandroid backup right now.
i read the whole infamous thread and everyone seems to say it's super stable so i'm not sure what i might have done wrong.
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you have to do exactly as op directs... im looking to switch here today with the new chimera rom. only issue i had was now with the infamous 2.4.5.1 radio signal is lost. imma research on that later. love infamous but im so always ready to try new things i wana see what the fuzz about chimera is. just recheck your steps and enjoy. took me on the first try to get infamous. but again best of luck on whichever rom you decide to use. everything will have hang ups here and there. its developing, it happens. nothing is perfect but if you know any ways to make it so then implement your own time and start creating your own.
its best i can recommend. then again everyone is entitled to their own opinion.:good:

If you want stable with good support the only one to go with is Cyanogenmod 9.
If you want the second best ROM and the one I use its Root Box Rom.
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Stay away from chimera , infamous, and of course juggernaut. Anything else your good. Don't let them fool you especially with the "opinion" BS. They are the same ones rushing for "first!" Bull**** On the OP and now starting with the "::good::" OR let them say that **** is good and you can listen...you can always re-flash another from not listed above good luck brother

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Stay away from chimera , infamous, and of course juggernaut. Anything else your good. Don't let them fool you especially with the "opinion" BS. They are the same ones rushing for "first!" Bull**** On the OP and now starting with the "::good::" OR let them say that **** is good and you can listen...you can always re-flash another from not listed above good luck brother
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intended in full pun, i did say it was my opinion due to its what i have used, im currently on or wanna try. i didnt put a gun to his head stating he has to get any rom in particular. those are the ones i had flashed and tried out. how can i opiniate on any rom that i havent flashed myself..... does it make any sense? in regards of going for first? what does that even mean? as stated above, i only gave my opinion on working roms that i used. intended in full is the fact that the individual that asked the question asked for the responders personal opinions. so with that said i'll extend my freedom of speech to say, this site is for developers that help us out to get the maximum of our devices, if your a developer then create your own and publish it. dont bash nobodies work. their time invested is FREE. only thing they have its the donations we make. with that said i bid you well and happy flashings

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dont bash nobodies work. their time invested is FREE. only thing they have its the donations we make. with that said i bid you well and happy flashings
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So true. Sorta want to put this in my signature. I was thinking the same thing. Whether ROMs are good or bad is mostly opinion, unless they don't boot or something. I tried most of the ROMs mentioned above and honestly, even though I'm not using any of them now, they were all okay. Just didn't fit my preferences.

datrapstar said:
you have to do exactly as op directs... im looking to switch here today with the new chimera rom. only issue i had was now with the infamous 2.4.5.1 radio signal is lost. imma research on that later. love infamous but im so always ready to try new things i wana see what the fuzz about chimera is. just recheck your steps and enjoy. took me on the first try to get infamous. but again best of luck on whichever rom you decide to use. everything will have hang ups here and there. its developing, it happens. nothing is perfect but if you know any ways to make it so then implement your own time and start creating your own.
its best i can recommend. then again everyone is entitled to their own opinion.:good:
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yeah, i followed the exact instructions in the infamous thread. finally got it to work when i used the darkside superwipe prior to flashing the rom. had just been doing the "wipe data/factory reset" option in cwm recovery prior to that.
so far it's great. really smooth. not sure i'll ever take time to learn the programming skills necessary to do any software development so i'm glad there are lots of people here doing it for me. :good:

i just flashed chimera vs hercules and im speachless....it has sooooo many tweaks enabled by user that it just blows your mind.. *just stating my opinion* ill be back later and will let you know how is the vanilla ROM...so far im still loving this chimera with all hits user options but i have to try as many as i can so i can give a true opinion. might ned to do a lil radio research but other than that im deff making chimera my ride or die!!! happy flashings!!:laugh:

datrapstar said:
i just flashed chimera vs hercules and im speachless....it has sooooo many tweaks enabled by user that it just blows your mind.. *just stating my opinion* ill be back later and will let you know how is the vanilla ROM...so far im still loving this chimera with all hits user options but i have to try as many as i can so i can give a true opinion. might ned to do a lil radio research but other than that im deff making chimera my ride or die!!! happy flashings!!:laugh:
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Agreed. I had to revert back to Tuesday since I couldn't disable the touch key lights.
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Thanks for the input. Now if info of problems by version could be consolidated to see what I might be getting myself into, to weigh the pros and cons easier...

bripod said:
Thanks for the input. Now if info of problems by version could be consolidated to see what I might be getting myself into, to weigh the pros and cons easier...
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between the 3 ROMs i addressed the only issue i have had its i lost my 4g on chimeravshercules. but imma do some research and find radios to flash unto it and see if that helps my issue. other issue i seen is the desktop f/c but since yesterday it has only happened twice. its lightning fast for the most part and i LOVE the fact that i can customize as i want.as for juggernaut v5.0, itsa beast no issues i seen and for infamous the only prob i had was it installed team win recovery v*** which i dont care much for. reverted back to my backup and reflashed and worked great again. so until i get the vanilla ROM thats all i can input.:victory:

Im using Mr. X stock tmobile ics version, very stable and i havent had a problem with it so its been my dd since it came out. You should try it out...All you need to do is read the OP carefully and do what it says.
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racerx250 said:
Agreed. I had to revert back to Tuesday since I couldn't disable the touch key lights.
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Out of curiosity... How is Tuesday better than an ics rom? Not knocking it trust me. I just wanted some info please. Also I hear he is working on an ics version as well
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If your still in gb go with beastMOD 5.0. Hands down the best rom on gingerbread, followed by juggernaut 5.0. If you want a stable ics rom go with DARKSIDE v7. Amazing rom.
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AOKP is working out some final kinks, but once it is done I think it will be the best.

Same boat here. ICS is just trash for me. My calls suck on low signal and wifi calling has a 3-4 second delay and thats with stock. I did all clean installs to ICS and wiped and wiped and wiped and it didn't change a thing. I tried Darkside before the official ICS drop and wifi calling was worse but regular calls were better. I was hoping AOKP would be ready by now. I'm going to have to go back to GB. I don't really want to but I can't really use my phone as a damn phone most of the time. I guess the trade off is having it look cool and making calls with GrooveIP at home.
May try Darkside and Beastmod before restoring GB stock rooted. I really really want to keep Apex.
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Darkside is nice. Camera is better, wifi calling echo is gone too. Getting the weird dialing out after calls drop though.

About to flash my first custom rom

Well after doing TONS of reading, soul searching, and complaining about this under performing phone, I have decided to flash my first rom ever. I don't know if I am just tired of TW or maybe that what the problem is after all . I guess I will soon find out. Battery is charged to 92% and can't wait! BTW I will be flashing XTREMEPERIA V5 . I love the look of this particular rom and it seems to function well. I'm just tired of the same look day in and day out of my phone and need something different.

Flash a cm 9 rom u can change the theme and over all the first experience is simple
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Mahkus said:
Well after doing TONS of reading, soul searching, and complaining about this under performing phone, I have decided to flash my first rom ever. I don't know if I am just tired of TW or maybe that what the problem is after all . I guess I will soon find out. Battery is charged to 92% and can't wait! BTW I will be flashing XTREMEPERIA V5 . I love the look of this particular rom and it seems to function well. I'm just tired of the same look day in and day out of my phone and need something different.
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A good ROM (is currently my DD). I wish this was my first ROM.

TheLastSidekick said:
A good ROM (is currently my DD). I wish this was my first ROM.
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Good to know. I'm glad I made a good choice.I have had a few android devices, nothing like some people. I thought this phone would be the answer, but with it randomly rebooting and freezing all the time, I'm just fed up. If this experiment works, I'm stoked, if not, then I may be off to WP8 and a Lumia 920 or HTC 8x.

I would recommend CM9 or AOKP ICS, but that's mainly because I'm an AOSP nut. I've heard good things about the Xperia rom but to me it just doesn't have that clean AOSP look that I love (and wish I had bought a GNex for!)

I would suggest an AOSP ROM!

CM9.1 Stable - awesome ROM. Better battery life than CM9. Major plus over TW based ROMs is the theme chooser.
CM10 - not really DD material as many people have mixed results from phone to phone. Prone to have Sleep of Deaths and Random Reboots. Aside from the bugs, it's the fastest and snappiest ROM available (in my experience).
CM10 Superlite - the latest version (4.0) is based off a pretty stable build. Once you tune it right and break it in, it's FAST! Lots of features/bloat that I never really used were taken out... some that I did use though, but I can live without em (Browser sync is the only one really, well that and Picasa but I think that could be added DLing Google+, but not sure as it may be missing some dependencies).
Jedi Mind Trick - the BEST TW based ROM out in my opinion. Can't speak much on V9 yet since I have yet to flash it, but V6-V8 were all excellent. If you don't want to go the AOSP route and prefer faster data speeds (aside from decent battery life, this is probably AOSPs biggest flaw, slow data), then this is the way to go imho! I think it also has better battery life than all AOSP ROMs (CM9/10/AOKP).
And that's it. I've tried other ROMs but these ones all ran the best for me. I also want to check out Eugene's Vanilla ICS, but waiting on him to upload the newest version before giving it a try . Apparently he fixed the data issues that plague all AOSP ROMs. Anyway, good luck! We have quite the selection at our disposal.

AOKP ICS Milestone 6 July 15. Plus I added Google Now with a separate zip.
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Thanks for all the great suggestions. I will certainly keep them in mind. I flashed XTREMEPERIA v5 last night and it all works flawlessly. I was in the mood for something different and that rom certainly is different.

Mahkus said:
Well after doing TONS of reading, soul searching, and complaining about this under performing phone, I have decided to flash my first rom ever. I don't know if I am just tired of TW or maybe that what the problem is after all . I guess I will soon find out. Battery is charged to 92% and can't wait! BTW I will be flashing XTREMEPERIA V5 . I love the look of this particular rom and it seems to function well. I'm just tired of the same look day in and day out of my phone and need something different.
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Well this is my first post
..I have to say i am a self taught newby flasher and i was extremely nervous and anxiety hit after i did my first flash and i'm like OMG did i brick my phone?,lol
I didn't thank god but now i am addicted. My fav developer thus far ptmr3 he's awesome. I'm trying to get my posts up so i can "advance" lol to the developers forum..I want to be able to test ROMS and give my opinions.
But anyway goodluck and don't worry it's easier then it look's..:laugh:
Hope i'm doing this right

excellent nkoxto
Danilynne said:
Well this is my first post
..I have to say i am a self taught newby flasher and i was extremely nervous and anxiety hit after i did my first flash and i'm like OMG did i brick my phone?,lol
I didn't thank god but now i am addicted. My fav developer thus far ptmr3 he's awesome. I'm trying to get my posts up so i can "advance" lol to the developers forum..I want to be able to test ROMS and give my opinions.
But anyway goodluck and don't worry it's easier then it look's..:laugh:
Hope i'm doing this right
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Awesome and congratulations! I first taught myself with my old MyTouch 4G and have rooted friends phones and have flashed ROMs. I finally got the courage to sign up to do what you are doing, to test ROMs and give my opinion on them.

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Awesome and congratulations! I first taught myself with my old MyTouch 4G and have rooted friends phones and have flashed ROMs. I finally got the courage to sign up to do what you are doing, to test ROMs and give my opinion on them.
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The first phone I ever rooted was a MyTouch 3g. Man I hated that phone also. I'm really enjoying XTREMEPERIA rom. Just about everything works with the exception of not receiving email notification and an auto rotate bug. The auto rotate I fixed by fixing permissions. I'm still working on the email. This can certainly get addictive with all the new roms coming out recently, so happy flashing.

Mahkus said:
Well after doing TONS of reading, soul searching, and complaining about this under performing phone, I have decided to flash my first rom ever. I don't know if I am just tired of TW or maybe that what the problem is after all . I guess I will soon find out. Battery is charged to 92% and can't wait! BTW I will be flashing XTREMEPERIA V5 . I love the look of this particular rom and it seems to function well. I'm just tired of the same look day in and day out of my phone and need something different.
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Stock ICS is the best. I tried almost all ROMs. Battery life is best in Stock ICS. UI is imp but kills battery.

Mahkus said:
The first phone I ever rooted was a MyTouch 3g. Man I hated that phone also. I'm really enjoying XTREMEPERIA rom. Just about everything works with the exception of not receiving email notification and an auto rotate bug. The auto rotate I fixed by fixing permissions. I'm still working on the email. This can certainly get addictive with all the new roms coming out recently, so happy flashing.
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The MyTouch 4G was and still is a great phone, I had a DD jellybean rom, only problem was camera was twitchy and no video recording but I never use it. I switched to the GS2 because my friend upgraded to the GS3 and gave me his gs2. I'm really liking the bigger screen lol.

I'm using a modified Jedi rom. Battery life and speed are way way improved over stock ics. I tried custom visuals, but they killed the battery. So no more of these. Go launcher eats battery.
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Danilynne said:
Well this is my first post
..I have to say i am a self taught newby flasher and i was extremely nervous and anxiety hit after i did my first flash and i'm like OMG did i brick my phone?,lol
I didn't thank god but now i am addicted. My fav developer thus far ptmr3 he's awesome. I'm trying to get my posts up so i can "advance" lol to the developers forum..I want to be able to test ROMS and give my opinions.
But anyway goodluck and don't worry it's easier then it look's..:laugh:
Hope i'm doing this right
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Welcome to the madness
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I have to agree with Steve about GoLauncher. I used to love Theme'ing my s2 with all kinds of designs, but after I found out about how much RAM it uses I just got rid of it completely. I love having more battery life than performance, especially when it comes to large touchscreen phones such as the s2.
When I flashed my first rom I think I bricked my phone, lol. Even after all the reading I did, there was just too much information that I read up on, and I think that actually confused me as to exactly how I should go about rooting and flashing my first rom.
In the end it turned out all right, and now I use the latest Jedi Knight rom from ptmr3. I found that this one gives me the minimalistic theme that I've always wanted and the essential apps that don't take up a lot of memory.