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Hello!
I have recently moved from an HTC Desire HD (Cyanogenmodded) to the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, I absolutely love the phone, except for one thing:
The stock Messaging (SMS) app has the habit of converting text-messages to MMS messages, when the size is about 3-4 texts.
My girlfriend has the same issue on her HTC Desire S (un-modded), but I did not have it on my CM7'ed DHD.
Now, I have been looking into things to get this fixed, but to no avail.
I really do not want to use the 3rd party apps like Handcent op GoSMS, because frankly, I think they are ugly and bloated. I just want to use the stock app, but without the limitation.
Tonight, I have been trying to get this to work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065452
It sure seems easy enough, but after putting the app back it just kept crashing.
Has any of you been successful in editing the apk to enable larger text messages?
Thanks in advance for any reply!
Gytax.
I have the same problem..
I'm also really interested in a solution here. I've got 2,000 SMS for free but pay 30cents for a mms which i would never use due to whatsapp... Would be great if there is a tweak to turn off auto convert.
This is the main reason I'm using go SMS heh.
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This is going to hurt. There is no fix whatsoever unless you root your device. Handcent is ugly and bloated. So is GoSMS.
If you go to the market and search BigSMS, that is a clean solution to the problem. It isn't an OS fix, but it's a very simple front-end that allows you to get around the problem. It integrates fully with your native messaging and is free.
Not an OS fix, but the next best thing.
skezza said:
This is going to hurt. There is no fix whatsoever unless you root your device. Handcent is ugly and bloated. So is GoSMS.
If you go to the market and search BigSMS, that is a clean solution to the problem. It isn't an OS fix, but it's a very simple front-end that allows you to get around the problem. It integrates fully with your native messaging and is free.
Not an OS fix, but the next best thing.
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My device is rooted. I tried to fix the app myself, but after compiling the app would not run anymore.
Currently, I just switch to GoSMS when the stock app says my text message is too long (hooray for copy/paste).
I have seen BigSMS already, I might give it a shot.
Thanks for your reply, anyway.
Gytax said:
My device is rooted. I tried to fix the app myself, but after compiling the app would not run anymore.
Currently, I just switch to GoSMS when the stock app says my text message is too long (hooray for copy/paste).
I have seen BigSMS already, I might give it a shot.
Thanks for your reply, anyway.
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This feature is also present in Ice Cream Sandwich.
The disgusting thing about it is this... knowing what I know, there is no way that Google released Ice Cream Sandwich without a way of toggling this particular setting (the conversion I mean) which means the feature was actually REMOVED from the Messaging app, rather than pure ignorance which we've seen from manufacturers in 2.x.
Well, there is a very simple setting inside the messaging app. The app has a hardcoded limit of 4. I tried changing this but, like I said before, the app would not run anymore.
This could be because of my phone not being deodexed.
I was asking if anyone else had any experience with this, because my android modding experience is very very limited.
See this thread.
Gytax said:
Well, there is a very simple setting inside the messaging app. The app has a hardcoded limit of 4. I tried changing this but, like I said before, the app would not run anymore.
This could be because of my phone not being deodexed.
I was asking if anyone else had any experience with this, because my android modding experience is very very limited.
See this thread.
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Yes, the limit is hardcoded, Some devices uses 4, others uses 3 and some HTC's use 5. The thing is, Google implemented a patch for disabling it in 2.2 Froyo. Basically not so you could change the limit, but you could enable/disable whether the conversion took place. They implemented it and major manufacturers like Sony, Samsung, HTC, decided to avoid implementing the patch. So, 2012, 2 years after Froyo, the patch still isn't present in Gingerbread 2.3.5 for SGS for example. It's disgraceful by the major manufacturers to have this little care for the users.
Besides it being new what are you really gaining. Tons of apps don't work on it. Besides folders and multitasking I don't even know what I'm really gaining. And if I have to lose one feature my phone has now ill pass. Phone works too good right now and ics theme will hold me over for a long time.
I understand everybody wants what is new but think about everything your really gaining. To me its like IOS 4.3 to 5. I upgraded my Ipad 2 lost jailbreak for what I see as a minor upgrade.
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You can stay on gingerbread then, it wont bother me really
I think you need to read up on what actually ICS changes besides icons and themes....
raqball said:
I think you need to read up on what actually ICS changes besides icons and themes....
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From the leaks, we are not getting the new ui because of twiz
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kingsway8605 said:
From the leaks, we are not getting the new ui because of twiz
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Once it starts hitting custom roms, I'm sure we will be getting all sorts of interesting things.
Fataldesain said:
Besides it being new what are you really gaining. Tons of apps don't work on it. Besides folders and multitasking I don't even know what I'm really gaining. And if I have to lose one feature my phone has now ill pass. Phone works too good right now and ics theme will hold me over for a long time.
I understand everybody wants what is new but think about everything your really gaining. To me its like IOS 4.3 to 5. I upgraded my Ipad 2 lost jailbreak for what I see as a minor upgrade.
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You sound like a old man in his old ways lol jk. I can't speak for everyone else but I bought my phone because it was at the time of purchase ahead of every curve (with the exception of nfc) so now that something is out that can make the phone better why the would I not want it. I'm patient in waiting but would love to have it yesterday
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How about true dual core support? or gpu acceleration through the whole phone?
List goes on.
Gingerbread has "true dual core support"
I'm not greedy. Because it's the New thing is the best answer I got. Newer is better right? J/k
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...bad joke.
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Besides it being new what are you really gaining. Tons of apps don't work on it. Besides folders and multitasking I don't even know what I'm really gaining. And if I have to lose one feature my phone has now ill pass. Phone works too good right now and ics theme will hold me over for a long time.
I understand everybody wants what is new but think about everything your really gaining. To me its like IOS 4.3 to 5. I upgraded my Ipad 2 lost jailbreak for what I see as a minor upgrade.
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Thanks to the informative Android blogs and tons of videos, most people know why they want ICS besides having a new look. As for your Ipad and losing jailbreak, you probably should have read in advance to see what features iOS 5 had before taking the plunge. I remember reading multiple times that people with jailbreak should hold up on iOS 5 until an untethered jailbreak is done. But hey, this is about Android
What I'm really waiting for is a nice AOSP ICS with everything working. I am less enthusiastic about TW ICS.
One of the videos showed better app controlled , limit or block apps from background data
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Hmm... OP you should consider the fact that ICS source was only recently released and I think the Nexus Prime launched just today. Of course not all apps are going to work you have to give app developers time to update the apps to be compatible. It's not all going to happen overnight that's why these things take time for the transition. Although I'm a little disappointed that TW covers up some features, I am looking forward to:
*Scrollable widgets
*The swipe gesture to remove notifications
*New notification bar Info slots (i.e. when you get a text you see the contact pic)
*Face Unlock (even though it can be bypassed it's cool nonetheless)
*Camera Speed
*New widget placement UI
*New Cool Blue Look
*The drag and drop feature to make folders
*How the app market stays in the app drawer on the top right
*The minimalist layout of all the Google Apps
*A few other things I'm sure everybody knows by now...
Not to say that you have poor judgment, I do advise reading up a little more on the updates before you jump in and discredit them for changing anything. I think Google is actually just trying to make Android more accessible to more than just Devs, if anything at least give them credit for that.
If you want an entire list of things that are new and how they work, read this review (Personally I think it's the best review that covers everything) it's 7 Pages!
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Guys all I'm saying is it seems like alot of people want ics just because and are foaming at the mouth for it. Isn't alot of your apps not working kinda a big deal. People should just calm down enjoy gingerbread for a few more months.
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Improved multitasking is enough for me....a better looking OS.....speed.....better hardware acceleration...more efficient......data monitoring.......ability to block certain apps from accessing data and last but not least.............camera app (that thing needed updating)
ICS is what Android needs to be to fully compete with IOS the only real threat(since Isheep see differently). I am not too anxious to see TW and Sense on ICS
I remember when iphone first came out my buddies back in college were saying look at what I can do.....I pulled out my cingular blue razr v3 and said check this out....made a call lol
Just gotta wait till the apps are updated thats all
I have to agree with OP,to a certain extent. A lot of the new features are incremental, and I think you can duplicate most of them with already available apps/mods. Not to say I'm not going to flash ICS as soon as a good rom comes out, but I am pretty satisfied with how my phone runs now. ICS is the first step to integrate the Android phone /tablet os, like ios ,and will be much better as it evolves.
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Only if your hiding something?
Sure, you may be able to replicate some of those features with other apps, but thats the point... it brings these features to stock android.
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*Scrollable widgets - Already offered in custom launchers
*The swipe gesture to remove notifications - Just extra glamour
*New notification bar Info slots (i.e. when you get a text you see the contact pic) - More extra glamour
*Face Unlock (even though it can be bypassed it's cool nonetheless) - There are apps that already offer this
*Camera Speed - Is a hardware feature of Galaxy Nexus, not ICS
*New widget placement UI - Very similar to TouchWiz
*New Cool Blue Look - Already have themes for this
*The drag and drop feature to make folders - Already offered in custom launchers
*How the app market stays in the app drawer on the top right - Already offered in custom launchers
*The minimalist layout of all the Google Apps - Will be available based on app, not Android version
*A few other things I'm sure everybody knows by now...
Many of the things that you've listed can already be achieved or are part of the Galaxy Nexus and not ICS. Just kind of goes to reinforce the idea that most people really don't know why they want ICS. I personally find ICS to be a bit too intrusive into my privacy, especially seeing as in the recently used app overlay it shows you the last picture you took. Definitely not appealing to people in relationships.
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Although I do see your point, the OP asks why I want ICS. I'm entitled to my opinion right? and I noticed the majority of the things you quoted and responded to have to do with modding the system in some way. How about having it all in one package and not having to download a bunch of apps to imitate what should come stock in the OS.
And what's wrong with a little "extra glamour" ?
I just want stock Gingerbread with better battery life and no CarrierIQ. I don't know how much faster people need these little computers to be but the E4GT is fast enough.
Looks like Google is getting sick of carriers and manufacturers messing with their hard work.
http://androidcommunity.com/google-...theme-requirement-for-market-access-20120103/
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I hope this sticks. Im sick of Touchwiz
Fantastic.
At first I thought this might chap the asses of Motorola, LG, Samsung and (especially) HTC...but it doesn't seem to be saying "NO CUSTOM UI FOR YOU"...which is probably smart. Since there are many app markets now--an especially notable contender being Amazon--handset makers may not give a ****...though to volley it back again perhaps that would lose them any lawsuit insulation Google may (or may not) have been giving them.
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Fantastic.
At first I thought this might chap the asses of Motorola, LG, Samsung and (especially) HTC...but it doesn't seem to be saying "NO CUSTOM UI FOR YOU"...which is probably smart. Since there are many app markets now--an especially notable contender being Amazon--handset makers may not give a ****...though to volley it back again perhaps that would lose them any lawsuit insulation Google may (or may not) have been giving them.
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Verizon tried that with the fascinate and an LG phone, and it didn't work out too well for them. , it seems like the future ui's will be limited to just a launcher and apps, which can easily be replaced with stock.
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I hope they stick to it. This would be great.
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Verizon tried that with the fascinate and an LG phone, and it didn't work out too well for them. , it seems like the future ui's will be limited to just a launcher and apps, which can easily be replaced with stock.
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...so no mucking with the framework beyond what something in an apk and/or widget could provide?
I will pray that this is the case.
I'm not so hopeful.
Either way, if they got pissed enough at google it wouldn't be the same as the Bingification of a couple phones by the carrier--though that is always a (remote) possibility. They could use Google for default search (I'm sure Google would still prefer it), they just couldn't use GAPPS or put a Google logo on the thing. I'm sure you know all of this already...But, alternate apps are available and alternate markets exist....big ones, notable ones with big names behind them (ahem, Amazon and a handful of much smaller fish)....I think the only thing Google might bring to the table for their compliance is implied or actual protection in the WW3 of lawsuits crisscrossing the industry.
But, whatever about that tech-navel-gazing... I hope what you suggest is true. I read the article and got nothing more than "key aspects" of the UI should stay mostly stock, if thats cool....unless Google is planning on putting the screws down, which I pray they do.
Its about God damn time. Scratch touchwiz, sense, and MAP.
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This doesn't prevent companies from using a custom UI. It only assures developers that stock UI assets are there.
^^^THIS^^^
What about device themes?
We have no desire to restrict manufacturers from building their own themed experience across their devices. In fact we’ve gone further to make this even easier. In Android 4.0’s API (level 14) we’ve added a new public theme family to complement the Holo family introduced in Android 3.0: DeviceDefault. DeviceDefault themes are aliases for the device’s native look and feel. The DeviceDefault theme family and widget style family offer ways for developers to target the device’s native theme with all customizations intact.
Formally separating these theme families will also make future merges easier for manufacturers updating to a new platform version, helping more devices update more quickly. Google’s Nexus devices alias DeviceDefault to the unmodified Holo themes.
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so what this say is we will have touchwiz, and htc will have sense. but developers can call on the holo theme for their apps and the framework will be there.
Good, I'd love for it to stay vanilla.
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Maybe I don't understand what the article is saying. Are they saying that places like settings will stay where as the dialer and contacts will be different?
ddrt said:
Maybe I don't understand what the article is saying. Are they saying that places like settings will stay where as the dialer and contacts will be different?
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Flash a theme in the xda theme section to get an idea of what a theme changes. Google has their official ics theme called Holo. They are saying this theme has to be used if the manufacturers want to have gapps.
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Fantastic.
At first I thought this might chap the asses of Motorola, LG, Samsung and (especially) HTC...but it doesn't seem to be saying "NO CUSTOM UI FOR YOU"...which is probably smart. Since there are many app markets now--an especially notable contender being Amazon--handset makers may not give a ****...though to volley it back again perhaps that would lose them any lawsuit insulation Google may (or may not) have been giving them.
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I just have to go on record by asking...
Daneurysm, did i not forsee this (Google market and app restrictions) as being the strategy to enforce less manufacturer meddling in our conversation a week or two ago?
And that it would be subtle, and in baby steps?
I called it
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kingsway8605 said:
Flash a theme in the xda theme section to get an idea of what a theme changes. Google has their official ics theme called Holo. They are saying this theme has to be used if the manufacturers want to have gapps.
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not "used" its saying the theme must be left in framework for apps devs to call upon it for their apps. read the whole article, lol.
We have no desire to restrict manufacturers from building their own themed experience across their devices. In fact we’ve gone further to make this even easier. In Android 4.0’s API (level 14) we’ve added a new public theme family to complement the Holo family introduced in Android 3.0: DeviceDefault. DeviceDefault themes are aliases for the device’s native look and feel. The DeviceDefault theme family and widget style family offer ways for developers to target the device’s native theme with all customizations intact.
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not "used" its saying the theme must be left in framework for apps devs to call upon it for their apps. read the whole article, lol.
We have no desire to restrict manufacturers from building their own themed experience across their devices. In fact we’ve gone further to make this even easier. In Android 4.0’s API (level 14) we’ve added a new public theme family to complement the Holo family introduced in Android 3.0: DeviceDefault. DeviceDefault themes are aliases for the device’s native look and feel. The DeviceDefault theme family and widget style family offer ways for developers to target the device’s native theme with all customizations intact.
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Ah, so they're saying "you can have your themes but leave ours there". That's a great standard of practice. I wonder why it wasn't always this way?
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I just have to go on record by asking...
Daneurysm, did i not forsee this (Google market and app restrictions) as being the strategy to enforce less manufacturer meddling in our conversation a week or two ago?
And that it would be subtle, and in baby steps?
I called it
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Yes, you called this weeks ago. We had 4 pages of me and you pontificating back-n-forth on the ramifications Google enforced stock ICS, etc, et al, ad nauseam....and this was in fact your premise.
I just hope you were right about the rest of the progression...baby steps indeed.
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Ah, so they're saying "you can have your themes but leave ours there". That's a great standard of practice. I wonder why it wasn't always this way?
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The thoughts on this is to stop the Fragmentation, and make it easy for app devs to have one app for all devices.
read the whole article... http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/01/holo-everywhere.html
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not "used" its saying the theme must be left in framework for apps devs to call upon it for their apps. read the whole article, lol.
We have no desire to restrict manufacturers from building their own themed experience across their devices. In fact we’ve gone further to make this even easier. In Android 4.0’s API (level 14) we’ve added a new public theme family to complement the Holo family introduced in Android 3.0: DeviceDefault. DeviceDefault themes are aliases for the device’s native look and feel. The DeviceDefault theme family and widget style family offer ways for developers to target the device’s native theme with all customizations intact.
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You're so smart, thanks for clarification. The OP made it sound much different than it actually is.
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I personally am a fan of touchwiz 4+... what I would like to see is users given the option when they set up the device (IE when you enter google acct, etc) on whether to use the TW interface, or stock Android. I think that would be the perfect medium to satisfy all.
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Yes, you called this weeks ago. We had 4 pages of me and you pontificating back-n-forth on the ramifications Google enforced stock ICS, etc, et al, ad nauseam....and this was in fact your premise.
I just hope you were right about the rest of the progression...baby steps indeed.
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I am hopeful as well...just play your cards right Google.
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I think if it deffenetely comes out this way would make alot of people happy having a dual boot letting you choose touchwiz/ or stock ics i know this is gs2 section but im sure most of us will be picking up the gs3 upon release
The information supplied over at Reddit reveals that the Galaxy S III may come with a unique dual-launch facility
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which will enable owners to choose between a TouchWiz interface, or wait for it a completely stock version of Ice Cream Sandwich. Again, this is just a rumor at this point, but if it turns out to be true then Samsung will surely win over everyone who previously had a few gripes about TouchWiz
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http://www.product-reviews.net/2012...ii-stock-ics-feature-could-fend-off-iphone-5/
I'm telling ya, android phones would be a lot more damn popular if these idiots would stop shoving their stupid ios copycat attempy customizations on their phones and stick with stock android...
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zander21510 said:
I'm telling ya, android phones would be a lot more damn popular if these idiots would stop shoving their stupid ios copycat attempy customizations on their phones and stick with stock android...
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I agree 100% first is the manufacture then we gotta deal with the carrier adding a bunch of bloat.....
zander21510 said:
I'm telling ya, android phones would be a lot more damn popular if these idiots would stop shoving their stupid ios copycat attempy customizations on their phones and stick with stock android...
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Yup. Touchwiz is arse. I despise it.
I personally don't care if the carrier or manufacturer wants to make a custom launcher or apps or whatever, but it SHOULD be up to the end user to decide if they want it. Say for example an added step in the initial setup of the phone.
This might give them some good stats as to who is actually using the apps vs who isn't which would in turn tell them if its worth the $$ to pay their developers for the extra crap. If not, save the money and use it for better things....like say expanding/improving coverage.... ya know
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I personally don't care if the carrier or manufacturer wants to make a custom launcher or apps or whatever, but it SHOULD be up to the end user to decide if they want it. Say for example an added step in the initial setup of the phone.
This might give them some good stats as to who is actually using the apps vs who isn't which would in turn tell them if its worth the $$ to pay their developers for the extra crap. If not, save the money and use it for better things....like say expanding/improving coverage.... ya know
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I totally agree with this like the article says a dual boot.... which would let you choose to have touchwiz or just stock droid aka ics..... Who knows we might get shocked and them actually come out with this and make alot of people happy
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I'm telling ya, android phones would be a lot more damn popular if these idiots would stop shoving their stupid ios copycat attempy customizations on their phones and stick with stock android...
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Agreed. If the manufacturers want a custom UI, I'm all for it. But let them release it in the market as an app and let the users decide! If it were just the launcher, I wouldn't care. I always end up installing a 3rd party launcher anyway, even over AOSP launcher. But the manufacturers screw things up by mucking with the entire OS, like a virus. Trying to make their phone "different". Here's an idea. You want the phone to stand out, release it as AOSP. Have good hardware, stop making varients that you don't support, and deliver timely updates. Or at a minimum, release all driver sources with the release of a phone, so drones can leave their phone stock, and the dev community can customize from day 1.
These things will make your phones stand out, make them "different". And manufacturers, I promise you will be rewarded in sales and customer loyalty.
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The only thing I like about TW is the pulldown notification settings. Otherwise, this is a really good idea.
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I just had a thought...what if PC manufacturers put their own skins over windows...mother of God...
And they wonder what they have to do to make people like their phones...take a lesson from the PC world and for gods ssakes look at apple...uniform OS across it's mobile Devices...using an iPhone is the same as using an ipad...your friends phone works exactly like yours...that's why apple is so successful. They know that they don't have to make a versitile OS if they just make it work uniformly...
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I always preferred AOSP over TW, but if you think about it, TW isn't too bad because you can just freeze it and run a third party launcher over it. HTC Sense, on the other hand, takes up a lot more resources even when frozen since the ROM is based on Sense
Its not "Dual Boot" it's a simple Dual Launcher, not sure why you consider this big news. You don't need to buy the SGS3 to have "Dual Boot" as you put it, simply go to the market and get another Launcher like ADW or Go Launcher or Launcher Pro, then you will have your "Dual Boot"...
FYI "Dual Boot" means having the option to boot two OS, like Windows & Linux, Android & Windows mobile
GBGamer... Pull down notifications have NOTHING to do with TW or the Launcher
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Its not "Dual Boot" it's a simple Dual Launcher, not sure why you consider this big news. You don't need to buy the SGS3 to have "Dual Boot" as you put it, simply go to the market and get another Launcher like ADW or Go Launcher or Launcher Pro, then you will have your "Dual Boot"...
FYI "Dual Boot" means having the option to boot two OS, like Windows & Linux, Android & Windows mobile
GBGamer... Pull down notifications have NOTHING to do with TW or the Launcher
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But touchwiz isn't just the launcher...change to say ADW and the lockscreen, menus, basic apps, pulldown, icons, keyboard stay the stupid cartoony ios copycat ****
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But touchwiz isn't just the launcher...change to say ADW and the lockscreen, menus, basic apps, pulldown, icons, keyboard stay the stupid cartoony ios copycat ****
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Haven't you heard of themes, that's what makes Android better then iOS, you can change it to whatever you want, all 3rd party launchers support themes, even the icons, imagine that. ... You must be new to Android... I'm running stock ROM and my phone does not have the stock lock screen or icons.... Search, it's your best friend.... I'll give you a hint, Lockbot Pro
the epic 4g touch from sprint does this already.
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Haven't you heard of themes, that's what makes Android better then iOS, you can change it to whatever you want, all 3rd party launchers support themes, even the icons, imagine that. ... You must be new to Android... I'm running stock ROM and my phone does not have the stock lock screen or icons.... Search, it's your best friend.... I'll give you a hint, Lockbot Pro
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Yeah I'm running ics theme it says in my sig...my point was that removing touchwiz isn't as easy as installing a launcher...and hell theming doesnt completely eliminate its annoyances...its launcher + theme + apps + etc.
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Its not "Dual Boot" it's a simple Dual Launcher, not sure why you consider this big news. You don't need to buy the SGS3 to have "Dual Boot" as you put it, simply go to the market and get another Launcher like ADW or Go Launcher or Launcher Pro, then you will have your "Dual Boot"...
FYI "Dual Boot" means having the option to boot two OS, like Windows & Linux, Android & Windows mobile
GBGamer... Pull down notifications have NOTHING to do with TW or the Launcher
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No, the Quick Settings is what I am talking about, like in CM.
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Haven't you heard of themes, that's what makes Android better then iOS, you can change it to whatever you want, all 3rd party launchers support themes, even the icons, imagine that. ... You must be new to Android... I'm running stock ROM and my phone does not have the stock lock screen or icons.... Search, it's your best friend.... I'll give you a hint, Lockbot Pro
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Maybe you are confused homie. TW is the entire framework for the OS, as Sense is with HTC devices. Certain AOSP items cannot be applied no matter how much you tweak and theme. Please read before attempting to look smart.
The article makes no mention of how the dual-launch capabilities will be implemented so how the hell are you people assuming or not assuming that it will be a launcher or dual boot?
Jeez, find something to do rather than talking it like you have the device and know what's going on.
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Why doesn't Google just add the best features of all these ROMs into native Android?
It's so stupid that people have to root their phones in order to get these features. I understand that maybe Google doesn't want Android to seem overly complex, but have a Customization area all in a submenu that you can unlock buy sliding Customizations to ON.
Things like this (in order of necessary > bloat):
Global volume rocker as cursor movement keys (hope this baby is patented so Apple doesn't steal it!)
% battery icon
Brightness slider toggle + AOKP toggles!!!!
Screenshot on Power Menu
Volume panel
Custom targets on lockscreen ring
Custom notification LED colors >> this would really make the hardware unique from Apple and it's really handy, esp when you're in meetings / theaters / church / or any quiet time; the different color assignments are really useful! Even vibrate is now disruptive in meetings.
Weather on lockscreen
Show notification count
Custom colors for Nav Bar
I don't think that's so much that it would overwhelm the average user. Whenever a family member or friend sees our phones, they want me to root theirs and make it the same.
Maybe someone at Google can get this message and we can see this in 4.2? They could release it as a "Android Power Toys" add-on type marketing the way Microsoft did with Windows?
I'm sure there are a number of reasons. First many of these things can be done with third party apps. Google mainly keeps to things that have to be built into the os, or related to Google services.
They have incorporated some features like additional lock screen targets, some toggles on tablets, resizable widgets, ect. It sounds like themes may be coming in 4.2 too.
Another thing I've noticed is while these features are great, they do slow things down a bit, so they may not be beneficial to everyone.
I'm fine with getting these features from other sources of they can put out things like project butter and Google now.
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A lot of what you listed up there I would term bloat, lots of unnecessary options for features I don't want.
Toggles are the exception, I'd love to see a really nice AOSP toggle implementation. I think most normal users would like that too.
Copywrite violations.
I think an easy explanation may be, because the Nexus line is currently only two devices (including the N7). Nexus owners comprise a very small segment of the Android population, and Google develops the device with root users, ROM devs, and themers in mind...meaning, they know we're going to change our devices ourselves (which is part of the fun), so they may not find all of those changes necessary for the Nexus line.
As it pertains to Android in general, I think manufacturer skins (Touchwiz, Sense, Blur) would be the primary deterrent. Google would spend all that time, developing features, that manufacturers would either alter or delete entirely, meaning Google had wasted time and man-hours on developing those additions.
However, word on the street is that LG is getting the Nexus next, but that all manufacturers will also have the ability to make a Nexus device, provided they follow Google's guidelines. This means Nexus devices in the hands of more end users, and possibly, an increased impetus for Google to incorporate some of the features you mentioned. I think we'll see 4.2 and 5.0 implementing some massive changes to the system, in regards to customization and personalization.
Personally, I would like to see the launcher improved. There's no reason why Google couldn't spend a little more time, and create a customizable launcher, like Nova or Apex. That would be a massive improvement IMHO, and one that every user could benefit from. The current launcher is nice, but I know very few rooted users who actually prefer Launcher2 to either of the aforementioned launchers.
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I wonder if they are not included for the sake of simplifying the OS for the average user. It's a lot easier to get someone to just add a widget to add functionality than to explain to them how to enable weather on the lock screen or how to pick which pull-down toggles they want. A lot of those options are redundant because you can access them with widgets on the launcher.
redwingfaninnc said:
I wonder if they are not included for the sake of simplifying the OS for the average user. It's a lot easier to get someone to just add a widget to add functionality than to explain to them how to enable weather on the lock screen or how to pick which pull-down toggles they want. A lot of those options are redundant because you can access them with widgets on the launcher.
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That makes sense, but honestly, how many Nexus owners do you know that fit into the "average user" category? I know 35 people who own a Nexus device, and only 3 of them aren't rooted. In general Android terms, you're probably 100% correct though...most "average users" would not know what to do with some of those changes, and many would consider them bloat. Geez, Google's even removed Maps from Gapps, because people thought it was bloatware, so they are sensitive to that issue.
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Remoteconcern said:
A lot of what you listed up there I would term bloat, lots of unnecessary options for features I don't want.
Toggles are the exception, I'd love to see a really nice AOSP toggle implementation. I think most normal users would like that too.
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I agree, what prompted this post was the AOKP toggles, that's what people like the most when they see mine and my gf's phones.
Also, I agree that it's bloat. But, that's why they can release it in the Play Store as a "Power Toys for Android" add-on. It makes it easy for average users to get access to these features and they don't have to root and they don't have to play the milestone game waiting for a stable daily driver.
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I think an easy explanation may be, because the Nexus line is currently only two devices (including the N7). Nexus owners comprise a very small segment of the Android population, and Google develops the device with root users, ROM devs, and Turner's in mind...meaning, they know we're going to change our devices ourselves (which is part of the fun), so they may not find all of those changes necessary for the Nexus line.
As it pertains to Android in general, I think manufacturer skins (Touchwiz, Sense, Blur) would be the primary deterrent. Google would spend all that time, developing features, that manufacturers would either alter or delete entirely, meaning Google had wasted time and man-hours on developing those additions.
However, word on the street is that LG is getting the Nexus next, but that all manufacturers will also have the ability to make a Nexus device, provided they follow Google's guidelines. This means Nexus devices in the hands of more end users, and possibly, an increased impetus for Google to incorporate some of the features you mentioned. I think we'll see 4.2 and 5.0 implementing some massive changes to the system, in regards to customization and personalization.
Personally, I would like to see the launcher improved. There's no reason why Google couldn't spend a little more time, and create a customizable launcher, like Nova or Apex. That would be a massive improvement IMHO, and one that every user could benefit from. The current launcher is nice, but I know very few rooted users who actually prefer Launcher2 to either of the aforementioned launchers.
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The launcher is a great idea too. I forgot to mention that. However, Nova launcher is easy for the average user to install. You don't even need to be rooted.
Neo3D said:
The launcher is a great idea too. I forgot to mention that. However, Nova launcher is easy for the average user to install. You don't even need to be rooted.
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Very true, but most normal Android users simply run the out-of-the-box setup from day one, until the day they upgrade. If Google took the time to build a slightly better launcher, those of us who want extra customization (grid size, icon editing, etc) can have it, while those who run stock from day one, won't even notice the changes, because they'll never use them.
Looks like Google might be one step ahead of us.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...oject-roadrunner-updated-google-play-and-now/
"Customization Center"?
That would be sweet if it were true and included some of these awesome ideas that custom ROM devs have come up with.
That's generally how it works, Google borrows from developers and OEMs' UIs.
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jordanishere said:
Copywrite violations.
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What copyright? If i remembered correctly all custom ROMs are open sourced, which means copyright doesn't apply.
Do correct me if i'm wrong.
jimmyco2008 said:
That's generally how it works, Google borrows from developers and OEMs' UIs.
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This is it right here. Let the devs do the muscle and brain work and Google cherry picks what they think should be the next evolution of android.
The great thing about open source is that sharing is what it is all about. If you don't like sharing, then there are two other clubs to join. Both of which could be more awesome if they didn't take the mine all mine approach.
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This is it right here. Let the devs do the muscle and brain work and Google cherry picks what they think should be the next evolution of android.
The great thing about open source is that sharing is what it is all about. If you don't like sharing, then there are two other clubs to join. Both of which could be more awesome if they didn't take the mine all mine approach.
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Yep, all about the cherry picks.
Perfect example is SMS quick reply, I'd say that's a dead cert as the immediate reaction to JB notifications was fantastic but let me do even mooaaar!!!
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They can't just slap every option in the world in. You'd have a bloated mess. (That's part of why skins are so bad... feature overload).
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Most of those things can be do e from an app, maybe Google let's the door open to the free market and get devs to earn money making these addons.
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Besides, if Google took all the best features from our ROMs, nothing would hardly ever need updating in future versions.
I Am Marino said:
Besides, if Google took all the best features from our ROMs, nothing would hardly ever need updating in future versions.
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Well I think its important to note that even if Google wanted to implement some of these features commonly found on custom ROMs that it'd take more than just one version of Android to bring them in.
jjhiza said:
I think an easy explanation may be, because the Nexus line is currently only two devices (including the N7). Nexus owners comprise a very small segment of the Android population, and Google develops the device with root users, ROM devs, and Turner's in mind...meaning, they know we're going to change our devices ourselves (which is part of the fun), so they may not find all of those changes necessary for the Nexus line.
As it pertains to Android in general, I think manufacturer skins (Touchwiz, Sense, Blur) would be the primary deterrent. Google would spend all that time, developing features, that manufacturers would either alter or delete entirely, meaning Google had wasted time and man-hours on developing those additions.
However, word on the street is that LG is getting the Nexus next, but that all manufacturers will also have the ability to make a Nexus device, provided they follow Google's guidelines. This means Nexus devices in the hands of more end users, and possibly, an increased impetus for Google to incorporate some of the features you mentioned. I think we'll see 4.2 and 5.0 implementing some massive changes to the system, in regards to customization and personalization.
Personally, I would like to see the launcher improved. There's no reason why Google couldn't spend a little more time, and create a customizable launcher, like Nova or Apex. That would be a massive improvement IMHO, and one that every user could benefit from. The current launcher is nice, but I know very few rooted users who actually prefer Launcher2 to either of the aforementioned launchers.
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Ahhh jjhiza. Havent seen one of your essays since the droid3 days aha
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