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Do you guys even know why you want ics?

Besides it being new what are you really gaining. Tons of apps don't work on it. Besides folders and multitasking I don't even know what I'm really gaining. And if I have to lose one feature my phone has now ill pass. Phone works too good right now and ics theme will hold me over for a long time.
I understand everybody wants what is new but think about everything your really gaining. To me its like IOS 4.3 to 5. I upgraded my Ipad 2 lost jailbreak for what I see as a minor upgrade.
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You can stay on gingerbread then, it wont bother me really

I think you need to read up on what actually ICS changes besides icons and themes....

raqball said:
I think you need to read up on what actually ICS changes besides icons and themes....
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From the leaks, we are not getting the new ui because of twiz
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kingsway8605 said:
From the leaks, we are not getting the new ui because of twiz
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Once it starts hitting custom roms, I'm sure we will be getting all sorts of interesting things.

Fataldesain said:
Besides it being new what are you really gaining. Tons of apps don't work on it. Besides folders and multitasking I don't even know what I'm really gaining. And if I have to lose one feature my phone has now ill pass. Phone works too good right now and ics theme will hold me over for a long time.
I understand everybody wants what is new but think about everything your really gaining. To me its like IOS 4.3 to 5. I upgraded my Ipad 2 lost jailbreak for what I see as a minor upgrade.
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You sound like a old man in his old ways lol jk. I can't speak for everyone else but I bought my phone because it was at the time of purchase ahead of every curve (with the exception of nfc) so now that something is out that can make the phone better why the would I not want it. I'm patient in waiting but would love to have it yesterday
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How about true dual core support? or gpu acceleration through the whole phone?
List goes on.

Gingerbread has "true dual core support"

I'm not greedy. Because it's the New thing is the best answer I got. Newer is better right? J/k
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...bad joke.

Fataldesain said:
Besides it being new what are you really gaining. Tons of apps don't work on it. Besides folders and multitasking I don't even know what I'm really gaining. And if I have to lose one feature my phone has now ill pass. Phone works too good right now and ics theme will hold me over for a long time.
I understand everybody wants what is new but think about everything your really gaining. To me its like IOS 4.3 to 5. I upgraded my Ipad 2 lost jailbreak for what I see as a minor upgrade.
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Thanks to the informative Android blogs and tons of videos, most people know why they want ICS besides having a new look. As for your Ipad and losing jailbreak, you probably should have read in advance to see what features iOS 5 had before taking the plunge. I remember reading multiple times that people with jailbreak should hold up on iOS 5 until an untethered jailbreak is done. But hey, this is about Android

What I'm really waiting for is a nice AOSP ICS with everything working. I am less enthusiastic about TW ICS.

One of the videos showed better app controlled , limit or block apps from background data
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Hmm... OP you should consider the fact that ICS source was only recently released and I think the Nexus Prime launched just today. Of course not all apps are going to work you have to give app developers time to update the apps to be compatible. It's not all going to happen overnight that's why these things take time for the transition. Although I'm a little disappointed that TW covers up some features, I am looking forward to:
*Scrollable widgets
*The swipe gesture to remove notifications
*New notification bar Info slots (i.e. when you get a text you see the contact pic)
*Face Unlock (even though it can be bypassed it's cool nonetheless)
*Camera Speed
*New widget placement UI
*New Cool Blue Look
*The drag and drop feature to make folders
*How the app market stays in the app drawer on the top right
*The minimalist layout of all the Google Apps
*A few other things I'm sure everybody knows by now...
Not to say that you have poor judgment, I do advise reading up a little more on the updates before you jump in and discredit them for changing anything. I think Google is actually just trying to make Android more accessible to more than just Devs, if anything at least give them credit for that.
If you want an entire list of things that are new and how they work, read this review (Personally I think it's the best review that covers everything) it's 7 Pages!
LINK

Guys all I'm saying is it seems like alot of people want ics just because and are foaming at the mouth for it. Isn't alot of your apps not working kinda a big deal. People should just calm down enjoy gingerbread for a few more months.
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Improved multitasking is enough for me....a better looking OS.....speed.....better hardware acceleration...more efficient......data monitoring.......ability to block certain apps from accessing data and last but not least.............camera app (that thing needed updating)
ICS is what Android needs to be to fully compete with IOS the only real threat(since Isheep see differently). I am not too anxious to see TW and Sense on ICS
I remember when iphone first came out my buddies back in college were saying look at what I can do.....I pulled out my cingular blue razr v3 and said check this out....made a call lol
Just gotta wait till the apps are updated thats all

I have to agree with OP,to a certain extent. A lot of the new features are incremental, and I think you can duplicate most of them with already available apps/mods. Not to say I'm not going to flash ICS as soon as a good rom comes out, but I am pretty satisfied with how my phone runs now. ICS is the first step to integrate the Android phone /tablet os, like ios ,and will be much better as it evolves.
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Only if your hiding something?
Sure, you may be able to replicate some of those features with other apps, but thats the point... it brings these features to stock android.

newalker91 said:
*Scrollable widgets - Already offered in custom launchers
*The swipe gesture to remove notifications - Just extra glamour
*New notification bar Info slots (i.e. when you get a text you see the contact pic) - More extra glamour
*Face Unlock (even though it can be bypassed it's cool nonetheless) - There are apps that already offer this
*Camera Speed - Is a hardware feature of Galaxy Nexus, not ICS
*New widget placement UI - Very similar to TouchWiz
*New Cool Blue Look - Already have themes for this
*The drag and drop feature to make folders - Already offered in custom launchers
*How the app market stays in the app drawer on the top right - Already offered in custom launchers
*The minimalist layout of all the Google Apps - Will be available based on app, not Android version
*A few other things I'm sure everybody knows by now...
Many of the things that you've listed can already be achieved or are part of the Galaxy Nexus and not ICS. Just kind of goes to reinforce the idea that most people really don't know why they want ICS. I personally find ICS to be a bit too intrusive into my privacy, especially seeing as in the recently used app overlay it shows you the last picture you took. Definitely not appealing to people in relationships.
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Although I do see your point, the OP asks why I want ICS. I'm entitled to my opinion right? and I noticed the majority of the things you quoted and responded to have to do with modding the system in some way. How about having it all in one package and not having to download a bunch of apps to imitate what should come stock in the OS.
And what's wrong with a little "extra glamour" ?

I just want stock Gingerbread with better battery life and no CarrierIQ. I don't know how much faster people need these little computers to be but the E4GT is fast enough.

A list of my favorite touchwiz features

Typing names on the dialer app will bring up your contacts
Sliding the names left and right from the messaging app will go to message and phone
Task manager on the recent apps screen
What are some of your favs
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my favorite thing about touchwiz is definitely the ability to replace it with 3rd party launchers.

cnstarz said:
my favorite thing about touchwiz is definitely the ability to replace it with 3rd party launchers.
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you hit that nail on the head.

cnstarz said:
my favorite thing about touchwiz is definitely the ability to replace it with 3rd party launchers.
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+9000 lol
10char

I really like the touchwiz launcher with 5 icons. Nothing's faster. I only miss landscape mode.
HTC sense and Rosie are much worse IMO.
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cnstarz said:
my favorite thing about touchwiz is definitely the ability to replace it with 3rd party launchers.
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This, I got launcher pro.. But still many of the things noted above are outside of the launcher and I do like them.
the sliding to call is one of my favorites..

cnstarz said:
my favorite thing about touchwiz is definitely the ability to replace it with 3rd party launchers.
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OK, I laughed pretty good at this....

Havek923 said:
OK, I laughed pretty good at this....
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The thing is replacing the launcher doesn't remove a lot of touchwiz, just the launcher...
I was very worried about jumping from CM7 to touchwiz when I got the phone, but coupled with a new launcher I have to say I do like TW.

Its kinda funny, I used to hate touchwiz back when I got my OG Epic. I always used ADW. When I got my Evo 3D I liked sense, so used that. Now I use Touchwiz on my Epic Touch. I have tried other launchers, but I dont like having to download widget apps to use with each one. I am using the calander, clock, and weather widgets from I9100 theme here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1334922 I have them built into the rom, the are great.

This is the first time I have left the stock launcher on the phone. Through 4 Android devices and CM or MIUI on each one, I have always changed it because I hated the stock experience. Now with the Epic Touch I love TouchWiz. Hope Samsung keeps improving TouchWiz and doesn't move backwards with it.
Speaking of third-party launchers...why did Fede stop developing Launcherpro? Maybe not "stopped" but really, the refresh was promised for this time last year and he still hasn't done anything with it. What happened?

jedwardmiller said:
This is the first time I have left the stock launcher on the phone. Through 4 Android devices and CM or MIUI on each one, I have always changed it because I hated the stock experience. Now with the Epic Touch I love TouchWiz. Hope Samsung keeps improving TouchWiz and doesn't move backwards with it.
Speaking of third-party launchers...why did Fede stop developing Launcherpro? Maybe not "stopped" but really, the refresh was promised for this time last year and he still hasn't done anything with it. What happened?
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Have you tried emailing Fede?

HondaCop said:
Have you tried emailing Fede?
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Long time ago but haven't bothered for a while. I was more or less just throwing it out there in case anyone knew anything. I am not really all that concerned to be honest as I am actually liking TouchWiz anyway.

<3me said:
Typing names on the dialer app will bring up your contacts
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Isn't this just a standard Android feature? I remember a friend showed me that capability on his G1 a few years ago, but he may have just been using a modded dialer.
With this being my first experience with Touchwiz (as well as Android) I haven't been conditioned to hate it, and I actually kind of like certain features like the calendar widget. I don't know if I'm not looking hard enough, but I can't find another calendar widget that behaves like TW one.
Also really like how you can adjust the brightness by touching the top bar, but I guess that isn't really TW feature.

jedwardmiller said:
This is the first time I have left the stock launcher on the phone. Through 4 Android devices and CM or MIUI on each one, I have always changed it because I hated the stock experience. Now with the Epic Touch I love TouchWiz. Hope Samsung keeps improving TouchWiz and doesn't move backwards with it.
Speaking of third-party launchers...why did Fede stop developing Launcherpro? Maybe not "stopped" but really, the refresh was promised for this time last year and he still hasn't done anything with it. What happened?
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He just disappeared. He has a music app that development has basically stopped for as well. Don't know why he stopped, he had to be making a killing. Hope he is okay.
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patthew said:
Isn't this just a standard Android feature? I remember a friend showed me that capability on his G1 a few years ago, but he may have just been using a modded dialer.
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You'd think so but no, not on the AOSP dialer from GB.

cnstarz said:
my favorite thing about touchwiz is definitely the ability to replace it with 3rd party launchers.
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LOL! Oh man, that's funny right there! + 1
Having been a long time ADW EX user, which has been awesome, I'm currently running Go Launcher and I have to say: it's impressive so far.
I ran Launcher Pro Plus on my EVO and enjoyed it as well.
IMO, TW actually isn't bad for a stock launcher, especially after having used Sense for a while on both my OG EVO & EVO 3D. I didn't care for Sense. Blech. The use of hardware acceleration of TW makes it the smoothest launcher of any I have used on my S2. The modded version of TW here on XDA takes it to a new level and is actually pretty good. I used it for awhile early on and appreciated the customization ability of it over stock. I got spoiled using the gesturing features of these other launchers, though. If the modded version of TW were to incorporate this feature, I would definitely consider it as a daily driver.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1061883
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Wow, it looks like everyone's favorite feature is the ability to use a 3rd party launcher
I personally use Go Launcher myself and it works for me now.

my1zamboni said:
Wow, it looks like everyone's favorite feature is the ability to use a 3rd party launcher
I personally use Go Launcher myself and it works for me now.
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This is far and away the most ICS-like launcher I've found lately :
http://db.tt/N6xGTKpJ
It's a new beta of the 360 launcher, and through it, you can download and install a ridiculously great ICS theme... Play around with the transitions till you have exactly what you want.
P.S.: It's awesome.
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the one thing touchwiz improved upon stock android is how you add widgets and are able to swipe to different screens to add them. the stock implementation is just crude looking.
also being able to move about the multiple homescreens quickly by sliding the numbered dots.
you can't discount the buttery smooth browser performance either, dunno if stock is as smooth.

First thing I do when a flash a ROM:
1. Restore ADW Ex with data
2. Delete TW launcher.

Coming from an Iphone

Hey guys been reading for a bit...Actually about 2 days now lol
Anyone else have a hard transistion over?
A few things im excited about is the wifi calling and possibly tehtering.
Right now Im tring to accomplish getting a different theme and removing the bloatware and might just wait for ICS to come out before I start playing with roms I feel like I got the phone a bad time because soon we will be transitioning over.
So right now,
Get a theme where I can access and change my music with out opening the to the home screen...
Wifi calling
And possibly tether but I think I need to install a custom rom and freeze the tether option.
Other than that just figure things out.

Firstly, you cant remove bloatware, truely, without rooting your phone. However, you can hide certain apps with a themer/launcher.
Root free, the most iphone-like launcher is Espier launcher 5.x . Espier also has a safari like browser called Espier Browser. Both of these apps can be found in the market place and will fool you into thinking you have an iphone.
The best iphone like lock screen is the miui lockscreen on the market.

Yea I don't know if I want to go iphone style theme I was looking at some other threads even tried a few widgetlocker I couldnt figure this one out find some nice ones on this site just couldn't get them to look like that one mine.
The other was lockbot its was a bit cheesy.
I will have to look into launcher(s)

blazin6969 said:
Yea I don't know if I want to go iphone style theme I was looking at some other threads even tried a few widgetlocker I couldnt figure this one out find some nice ones on this site just couldn't get them to look like that one mine.
The other was lockbot its was a bit cheesy.
I will have to look into launcher(s)
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The girlfriend and I both really like golauncher and golocker, but you'll have to play with them and figure out which works best for you.
Give it a bit of time and you'll really like the phone I think. It takes a bit to get used to finding things. The OS has a ton more depth to it so it can be a bit overwhelming at first, but once you get the lay off the land you'll be able to enjoy it a lot more.
Both my girlfriend and I had iPhones before Android and couldn't go back. Unless you're really itching for some new feature you can only use by rooting the phone I'd just take some time to familiarize yourself with the phone and it's menus. New roms add a lot of flexibility and new features, but the new options/moved menus may just add to the frustration for now.
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I would personally suggest WidgetLocker, as you can put a music player widget(I'd suggest pure music widget 4x2), and DX Home as the homescreen. It's just iphone-like enough to look really nice, but it has android where it counts.

Android Heaven
Welcome to Android Heaven.
Here you'll find many choices during your PERMANENT stay
1) Awesome Customization
2) CIQ free
3)Games with better graphics
4)No Bloatware
5) Customs rooms and kernals
6)Google and Social Integration
7)Bigger Screen
8-9999999999999999999999999999999999999) Tell you the those reason later. Going to destroy something with my build in android phone camera laser/rocket/hologram

peconaut said:
Welcome to Android Heaven.
Here you'll find many choices during your PERMANENT stay
1) Awesome Customization
2) CIQ free
3)Games with better graphics
4)No Bloatware
5) Customs rooms and kernals
6)Google and Social Integration
7)Bigger Screen
8-9999999999999999999999999999999999999) Tell you the those reason later. Going to destroy something with my build in android phone camera laser/rocket/hologram
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Don't forget the kernel update for the Valkyrie rocket.
Any who back on topic. If your completely new, you're gonna want to wait a bit to root and ROM, as it can get overwhelming. Get a good feel of how it works. Look at a lot of reviews for your phone on YouTube, then search around the forums for some good tips. Especially stickies.. and yea
That's about it.
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if you don't really want a launcher that bad you can play around with the Samsung Launcher thing, and add music instead of contacts etc... Home Button > Settings > edit > switch >take out whatever you want and add whatever you want, sure it goes out of order but you can always put it back in order by Home > Settings > View Type > Alpha, etc..

blazin6969 said:
Hey guys been reading for a bit...Actually about 2 days now lol
Anyone else have a hard transistion over?
A few things im excited about is the wifi calling and possibly tehtering.
Right now Im tring to accomplish getting a different theme and removing the bloatware and might just wait for ICS to come out before I start playing with roms I feel like I got the phone a bad time because soon we will be transitioning over.
So right now,
Get a theme where I can access and change my music with out opening the to the home screen...
Wifi calling
And possibly tether but I think I need to install a custom rom and freeze the tether option.
Other than that just figure things out.
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Best launchers are Go Launcher EX, ADW Launcher, or Launcher Pro in my opinion. If you want an iphone-like experience, MIUI is a good way to go but i dont think its quite ready for prime time for our phone though theres a MIUI Launcher standalone available, which has many of the same features from a UI standpoint.
As for lock screen controls, apps like Poweramp have lock screen controls for music. There are also lock replacements like Go Locker and Widget Locker that have customizable lock screens.

peconaut said:
Welcome to Android Heaven.
Here you'll find many choices during your PERMANENT stay
1) Awesome Customization
2) CIQ free
3)Games with better graphics
4)No Bloatware
5) Customs rooms and kernals
6)Google and Social Integration
7)Bigger Screen
8-9999999999999999999999999999999999999) Tell you the those reason later. Going to destroy something with my build in android phone camera laser/rocket/hologram
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Is is strapped to a shark?
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Like jumping to any platform you get your pros and your cons, You have a more flexible OS but Battery might not be as good the list goes on. and not every OS is made for everyone just give it a shot you have 30 days to change your mind.

Thanks for the info guys! Yea been playing with it a bit more I think the screen is a million times better than my 3gs I might try go locker or the launcher today

Get qq launcher. I use it now and love it. it's free in the market and had s bunch of different internal themes.you can use.
I'm using the iPhone theme for obvious reasons

There's a thread called home screenshots in the theme and apps section where you can take a look at how some ppl have their home screens set up with different launchers, themes, widgets, and icons that way you can get some ideas of how you might wanna set things up as for roms it's really up to you and which you like better there's no harm in trying each one til you find your daily driver remember you can always mix different roms and kernels and find what combo works best for you (just remember to stick to roms and kernels that are for our specific model you don't wanna end up with your first android paper weight) .. Btw I was the same had been using iPhones since the first one to the iphone4 and this was my first Android and haven't looked back since love this phone it's a beast!
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If you want to change the lockscreen around, try milocker. Its free and there are alot of options, plus you can change your lockscreen wallpaper.

Why doesn't Google just add the best features of all these ROMs into native Android?

Why doesn't Google just add the best features of all these ROMs into native Android?
It's so stupid that people have to root their phones in order to get these features. I understand that maybe Google doesn't want Android to seem overly complex, but have a Customization area all in a submenu that you can unlock buy sliding Customizations to ON.
Things like this (in order of necessary > bloat):
Global volume rocker as cursor movement keys (hope this baby is patented so Apple doesn't steal it!)
% battery icon
Brightness slider toggle + AOKP toggles!!!!
Screenshot on Power Menu
Volume panel
Custom targets on lockscreen ring
Custom notification LED colors >> this would really make the hardware unique from Apple and it's really handy, esp when you're in meetings / theaters / church / or any quiet time; the different color assignments are really useful! Even vibrate is now disruptive in meetings.
Weather on lockscreen
Show notification count
Custom colors for Nav Bar
I don't think that's so much that it would overwhelm the average user. Whenever a family member or friend sees our phones, they want me to root theirs and make it the same.
Maybe someone at Google can get this message and we can see this in 4.2? They could release it as a "Android Power Toys" add-on type marketing the way Microsoft did with Windows?

I'm sure there are a number of reasons. First many of these things can be done with third party apps. Google mainly keeps to things that have to be built into the os, or related to Google services.
They have incorporated some features like additional lock screen targets, some toggles on tablets, resizable widgets, ect. It sounds like themes may be coming in 4.2 too.
Another thing I've noticed is while these features are great, they do slow things down a bit, so they may not be beneficial to everyone.
I'm fine with getting these features from other sources of they can put out things like project butter and Google now.
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A lot of what you listed up there I would term bloat, lots of unnecessary options for features I don't want.
Toggles are the exception, I'd love to see a really nice AOSP toggle implementation. I think most normal users would like that too.

Copywrite violations.

I think an easy explanation may be, because the Nexus line is currently only two devices (including the N7). Nexus owners comprise a very small segment of the Android population, and Google develops the device with root users, ROM devs, and themers in mind...meaning, they know we're going to change our devices ourselves (which is part of the fun), so they may not find all of those changes necessary for the Nexus line.
As it pertains to Android in general, I think manufacturer skins (Touchwiz, Sense, Blur) would be the primary deterrent. Google would spend all that time, developing features, that manufacturers would either alter or delete entirely, meaning Google had wasted time and man-hours on developing those additions.
However, word on the street is that LG is getting the Nexus next, but that all manufacturers will also have the ability to make a Nexus device, provided they follow Google's guidelines. This means Nexus devices in the hands of more end users, and possibly, an increased impetus for Google to incorporate some of the features you mentioned. I think we'll see 4.2 and 5.0 implementing some massive changes to the system, in regards to customization and personalization.
Personally, I would like to see the launcher improved. There's no reason why Google couldn't spend a little more time, and create a customizable launcher, like Nova or Apex. That would be a massive improvement IMHO, and one that every user could benefit from. The current launcher is nice, but I know very few rooted users who actually prefer Launcher2 to either of the aforementioned launchers.
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I wonder if they are not included for the sake of simplifying the OS for the average user. It's a lot easier to get someone to just add a widget to add functionality than to explain to them how to enable weather on the lock screen or how to pick which pull-down toggles they want. A lot of those options are redundant because you can access them with widgets on the launcher.

redwingfaninnc said:
I wonder if they are not included for the sake of simplifying the OS for the average user. It's a lot easier to get someone to just add a widget to add functionality than to explain to them how to enable weather on the lock screen or how to pick which pull-down toggles they want. A lot of those options are redundant because you can access them with widgets on the launcher.
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That makes sense, but honestly, how many Nexus owners do you know that fit into the "average user" category? I know 35 people who own a Nexus device, and only 3 of them aren't rooted. In general Android terms, you're probably 100% correct though...most "average users" would not know what to do with some of those changes, and many would consider them bloat. Geez, Google's even removed Maps from Gapps, because people thought it was bloatware, so they are sensitive to that issue.
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Remoteconcern said:
A lot of what you listed up there I would term bloat, lots of unnecessary options for features I don't want.
Toggles are the exception, I'd love to see a really nice AOSP toggle implementation. I think most normal users would like that too.
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I agree, what prompted this post was the AOKP toggles, that's what people like the most when they see mine and my gf's phones.
Also, I agree that it's bloat. But, that's why they can release it in the Play Store as a "Power Toys for Android" add-on. It makes it easy for average users to get access to these features and they don't have to root and they don't have to play the milestone game waiting for a stable daily driver.

jjhiza said:
I think an easy explanation may be, because the Nexus line is currently only two devices (including the N7). Nexus owners comprise a very small segment of the Android population, and Google develops the device with root users, ROM devs, and Turner's in mind...meaning, they know we're going to change our devices ourselves (which is part of the fun), so they may not find all of those changes necessary for the Nexus line.
As it pertains to Android in general, I think manufacturer skins (Touchwiz, Sense, Blur) would be the primary deterrent. Google would spend all that time, developing features, that manufacturers would either alter or delete entirely, meaning Google had wasted time and man-hours on developing those additions.
However, word on the street is that LG is getting the Nexus next, but that all manufacturers will also have the ability to make a Nexus device, provided they follow Google's guidelines. This means Nexus devices in the hands of more end users, and possibly, an increased impetus for Google to incorporate some of the features you mentioned. I think we'll see 4.2 and 5.0 implementing some massive changes to the system, in regards to customization and personalization.
Personally, I would like to see the launcher improved. There's no reason why Google couldn't spend a little more time, and create a customizable launcher, like Nova or Apex. That would be a massive improvement IMHO, and one that every user could benefit from. The current launcher is nice, but I know very few rooted users who actually prefer Launcher2 to either of the aforementioned launchers.
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The launcher is a great idea too. I forgot to mention that. However, Nova launcher is easy for the average user to install. You don't even need to be rooted.

Neo3D said:
The launcher is a great idea too. I forgot to mention that. However, Nova launcher is easy for the average user to install. You don't even need to be rooted.
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Very true, but most normal Android users simply run the out-of-the-box setup from day one, until the day they upgrade. If Google took the time to build a slightly better launcher, those of us who want extra customization (grid size, icon editing, etc) can have it, while those who run stock from day one, won't even notice the changes, because they'll never use them.

Looks like Google might be one step ahead of us.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...oject-roadrunner-updated-google-play-and-now/
"Customization Center"?
That would be sweet if it were true and included some of these awesome ideas that custom ROM devs have come up with.

That's generally how it works, Google borrows from developers and OEMs' UIs.
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jordanishere said:
Copywrite violations.
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What copyright? If i remembered correctly all custom ROMs are open sourced, which means copyright doesn't apply.
Do correct me if i'm wrong.

jimmyco2008 said:
That's generally how it works, Google borrows from developers and OEMs' UIs.
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This is it right here. Let the devs do the muscle and brain work and Google cherry picks what they think should be the next evolution of android.
The great thing about open source is that sharing is what it is all about. If you don't like sharing, then there are two other clubs to join. Both of which could be more awesome if they didn't take the mine all mine approach.
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@rbiter said:
This is it right here. Let the devs do the muscle and brain work and Google cherry picks what they think should be the next evolution of android.
The great thing about open source is that sharing is what it is all about. If you don't like sharing, then there are two other clubs to join. Both of which could be more awesome if they didn't take the mine all mine approach.
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Yep, all about the cherry picks.
Perfect example is SMS quick reply, I'd say that's a dead cert as the immediate reaction to JB notifications was fantastic but let me do even mooaaar!!!
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They can't just slap every option in the world in. You'd have a bloated mess. (That's part of why skins are so bad... feature overload).
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Most of those things can be do e from an app, maybe Google let's the door open to the free market and get devs to earn money making these addons.
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Besides, if Google took all the best features from our ROMs, nothing would hardly ever need updating in future versions.

I Am Marino said:
Besides, if Google took all the best features from our ROMs, nothing would hardly ever need updating in future versions.
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Well I think its important to note that even if Google wanted to implement some of these features commonly found on custom ROMs that it'd take more than just one version of Android to bring them in.

jjhiza said:
I think an easy explanation may be, because the Nexus line is currently only two devices (including the N7). Nexus owners comprise a very small segment of the Android population, and Google develops the device with root users, ROM devs, and Turner's in mind...meaning, they know we're going to change our devices ourselves (which is part of the fun), so they may not find all of those changes necessary for the Nexus line.
As it pertains to Android in general, I think manufacturer skins (Touchwiz, Sense, Blur) would be the primary deterrent. Google would spend all that time, developing features, that manufacturers would either alter or delete entirely, meaning Google had wasted time and man-hours on developing those additions.
However, word on the street is that LG is getting the Nexus next, but that all manufacturers will also have the ability to make a Nexus device, provided they follow Google's guidelines. This means Nexus devices in the hands of more end users, and possibly, an increased impetus for Google to incorporate some of the features you mentioned. I think we'll see 4.2 and 5.0 implementing some massive changes to the system, in regards to customization and personalization.
Personally, I would like to see the launcher improved. There's no reason why Google couldn't spend a little more time, and create a customizable launcher, like Nova or Apex. That would be a massive improvement IMHO, and one that every user could benefit from. The current launcher is nice, but I know very few rooted users who actually prefer Launcher2 to either of the aforementioned launchers.
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Ahhh jjhiza. Havent seen one of your essays since the droid3 days aha
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[Q] Rooted with touchwiz features

OK so I didn't see a way that this would fit in the root category so here it goes. I am still undecided between the gs4 and the HTC one. I really want the gs4 but my only reservation is touchwiz ui. There has been a lot of discussion already about the ui lag. Even if this gets fixed in future updates I still don't really like the look of TW. I will most likely root and have flashed quite a few ROMs on my DInc, galaxy nexus, and nexus 7. Will there likely be a ROM later on that I can use that still has the useful parts of TW, like the camera app and other things?
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Let me look into my crystal ball.....
I'm seeing something !
.......It's next week's lotto numbers: 7-11-13-23-33
Really tho. Yes. The phone has been out less than a week dude. NEVER buy a phone because it "may" have something someday. EVAAAAARRRRR.
But yes, there will be a slimmed down ROM for sure.

KillaHurtz said:
Let me look into my crystal ball.....
I'm seeing something !
.......It's next week's lotto numbers: 7-11-13-23-33
Really tho. Yes. The phone has been out less than a week dude. NEVER buy a phone because it "may" have something someday. EVAAAAARRRRR.
But yes, there will be a slimmed down ROM for sure.
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Ty for the tip! i have won the lotto!! your share is in the mail..lol
But seriously With tons and tons of reviews and comparisons of the s4 and htc one, this shouldnt be hard. There will be plenty of roms for the s4 as this community is growing every day and will grow more as more s4 stock arrives. Or go with the one?

See this is one thing that annoys me. People saying they don't like tw but like all the gestures and motions and camera...... THAT IS TOUCHWIZ. Now if you don't like the TW LAUNCHER you can easily install a 3rd party launcher like Apex and apply themes
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elflip88 said:
See this is one thing that annoys me. People saying they don't like tw but like all the gestures and motions and camera...... THAT IS TOUCHWIZ. Now if you don't like the TW LAUNCHER you can easily install a 3rd party launcher like Apex and apply themes.
I never said I want the gestures. I want the Camera app and maybe the tv tuner app. I don't like the settings menu's either. Not to mention the lag issues. Apex would not fix that...
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Kjherr said:
elflip88 said:
See this is one thing that annoys me. People saying they don't like tw but like all the gestures and motions and camera...... THAT IS TOUCHWIZ. Now if you don't like the TW LAUNCHER you can easily install a 3rd party launcher like Apex and apply themes.
I never said I want the gestures. I want the Camera app and maybe the tv tuner app. I don't like the settings menu's either. Not to mention the lag issues. Apex would not fix that...
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Camera app no way unless you're on tw. I'm not sure about the remote.
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I agree 100 percent. The camera app is second to none. It's the only reason why I switched back to TW.
If I could have an amazing camera app like the SAMSUNG one, on CM10, well I would pay serious money for that.
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