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What is going on with the moderation in the Dream forums? I have been coming here for quite a few years now, though more reading than posting I grant. I have never seen such lock happy moderation before though.
In the past on the other subforums locking a thread was fairly rare and moderation more in tune with keeping it civil than anything. Moderators kept the peace but left topics and threads to being mostly self-governing. Occasionally a thread would get moved to off topic or the rebellious user warned but nothing like this. About a dozen threads in the last week, six in the last two days alone.
It seems any thread that the moderators feel is a repeat or not needed is locked. There is no warning or explanation by the moderators, just a lock. Instead of educating the user, search first with a link to what the user should have looked for as an example, the discussion is left in limbo. This is making the forum more of a moderated police state than a area for open conversation on topics. This detracts from the ability to have open discussions and the enjoyment of trying to help others.
So I am asking the moderators to please show restraint and give the posters more leeway. There is no need to lock every thread that is a repeat or could have been solved by a search. The threads will go off the front page in due time, locking them simply is not constructive more often than not. If you absolutely must lock it then at least put a post at the end with a reason.
I am not active in the Dream forum, but I will add my thoughts here.
Certain sections of XDA's forums are subject to stricter moderation then others due to the sheer volume of active members in them. For example, the Raphael has seen a US release on all three nationwide carriers, whereas the prior models only saw release on one carrier. This led to more people buying the Raphael, and a large influx of members in the related forums. Due to that influx, we moderators needed to step up our monitoring of those forums in order to keeping them as clean and concise as possible.
This same example applies to the Dream due to it being the first Android phone released.
While I agree with you that a moderator should always leave a quick note as the final post in a closed thread, I also support closing down redundant threads in order to help keep all relevant information in an existing thread; not spread across 5 or 6 different ones.
So I am asking the moderators to please show restraint and give the posters more leeway. There is no need to lock every thread that is a repeat or could have been solved by a search. The threads will go off the front page in due time, locking them simply is not constructive more often than not. If you absolutely must lock it then at least put a post at the end with a reason.
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NotATreoFan said:
While I agree with you that a moderator should always leave a quick note as the final post in a closed thread, I also support closing down redundant threads in order to help keep all relevant information in an existing thread; not spread across 5 or 6 different ones.
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Just thought I would add my two cents in here ( like anyone cares ) because I too have been irritated once or twice by over zealous moderation. Once by a moderator from the Dream forum who came over to the Kaiser forum to delete a whole conversation, because he " thought " we were getting too heated in our debate over M$ supposed actions . There was no flamebaiting, He just thought.
And several times by threads ( not mine ) that were closed without warning or stated reason. I know this is a huge site with a lot of heavy traffic and the Mods are " overworked and under paid " . I also realize that Mods are from around the world, and Moderation style is subject to differing personalities, social and interpersonal customs from different countries. But common courtesy is universal. While many people don't deserve it, please take the time to include a note on why, the thread requires moderation. If you don't have the time , then maybe you should pass the job on to someone who can take the time.
Also in my 1 1/2 years on this site, ( six mo lurking and 1 yr member ) I have PM'd three mods, asking them to please explain their actions in moderating a thread I was posting in, and in all three cases, received nothing, not even an acknowledgement.
This is not a criticism, just my two cents, should someone read this. I have my favorite mods, (natf is one ) Dave and Josh are excellent in the Kaiser forums, mostly because they adhere to the basic tenet, " Moderation in Moderation. "
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I realise you are being modest there, and the truth is we do care what members think and voicing concern in a calm fashion is appreciated and this kind of feedback is what moderates the Moderators. This is what makes us a community and avoids an "us and them" situation developing.
I don't have anything of value to add to NotATreoFan's comments which match my own feelings on the matter and IMHO reflect the kind of balance we need between being tolerant, courteous and yet maintaining a degree of organisation.
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Thanks for taking that in the context that it was meant, I know that Admin and Mods do care what membership thinks.
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Thanks for taking that in the context that it was meant, I know that Admin and Mods do care what membership thinks.
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AND they are simply men and women They could make mistakes, they act differently in the same situation. Suggestions and opinions are always welcome!
i reckon there should be a new button next to the report post button that serves as an appeal button if someone thinks that a tread has been closed for no reason the the button should allow for appeal. a box is filled n explaining the thread and why there was no reason to delete it this is then pmd to the closer of the thread then negotaiations will start
Please do not take my original post too harshly. I do appreciate the mods here on XDA-developers and think that they do a great job. But at the same time when the mods get a little over zealous this seemed the best way to bring up my protest. (I could not PM the moderator in question because I do not know who was closing the threads.)
So thanks again for making this a great place to come back to over the years and keep up the good work.
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What is going on with the moderation in the Dream forums? I have been coming here for quite a few years now, though more reading than posting I grant. I have never seen such lock happy moderation before though.
In the past on the other subforums locking a thread was fairly rare and moderation more in tune with keeping it civil than anything. Moderators kept the peace but left topics and threads to being mostly self-governing. Occasionally a thread would get moved to off topic or the rebellious user warned but nothing like this. About a dozen threads in the last week, six in the last two days alone.
It seems any thread that the moderators feel is a repeat or not needed is locked. There is no warning or explanation by the moderators, just a lock. Instead of educating the user, search first with a link to what the user should have looked for as an example, the discussion is left in limbo. This is making the forum more of a moderated police state than a area for open conversation on topics. This detracts from the ability to have open discussions and the enjoyment of trying to help others.
So I am asking the moderators to please show restraint and give the posters more leeway. There is no need to lock every thread that is a repeat or could have been solved by a search. The threads will go off the front page in due time, locking them simply is not constructive more often than not. If you absolutely must lock it then at least put a post at the end with a reason.
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If you ask me there aren't enough locked threads in the dream section. There are over 80 different threads for the new haykuro build there, 80!!! Probably more because i stopped counting at page 20. I also might add that the main haykuro thread has over 6000 posts and counting. The dream section is out of control and needs serious moderator intervention. One moderator simply cannot do all this himself. I know the dream mod, or at least the only active mod there that i can see and he is excellent at not only helping people but moderating in general. Let a thread be self governed? That's a very scary though!!! I am a moderator at another site and i can say it is not a moderators job to be a friend, be respectful or give you an explaination as to why he or she did what they did. Yes i do give an explaination and most mods on here do as well but they are here to maintain the rules of the forum and the upkeep of the forum in general. If threads were locked its more than likely because you or others got off topic, double posted or started a new thread when another about the exact same thing already existed. Case in point, there is a section for members to post questions to mods about anything already and you opened a new thread on the subject.
Ha I couldn't agree MORE with Ryanmo. There should be tighter and more rigid controls there. In fact I don't think it's (currently) possible for there to be moderation there at the moment...too many new bodies added to the fray. And we all know most of them are not reading the Sticky posted at top saying "Must read before you post". I don't have any problem with xda mods enacting 1-3 day temp bans on some of the frequent offenders.
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Ha I couldn't agree MORE with Ryanmo. There should be tighter and more rigid controls there. In fact I don't think it's (currently) possible for there to be moderation there at the moment...too many new bodies added to the fray. And we all know most of them are not reading the Sticky posted at top saying "Must read before you post". I don't have any problem with xda mods enacting 1-3 day temp bans on some of the frequent offenders.
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Haha yeah the sticky at the top about the rules says a little over 23,000 views. The hacking thread has been viewed over 300,000 times, go figure. I probably report 15 posts a day to try and help but your right its outta control.
Hello Friends,
Well i have seen these site and i am quite surprise here that though more reading than posting I grant. I have never seen such lock happy moderation before though.As i am not a active member but ya i will add my though if any and will discuss So I am asking the moderators to please show restraint and give the posters more leeway. There is no need to lock every thread that is a repeat or could have been solved by a search. The threads will go off the front page in due time, locking them simply is not constructive more often than not. If you absolutely must lock it then at least put a post at the end with a reason. Thanx
can someone please unlock this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429808&page=22
It is not that rules and regulations are not in place in this site. They are posted all over the place. In fact, if you look at my sig, I have them there as a hyperlink (many other members do the same). Why do threads and posts get locked, moved, or otherwise deleted left and right? It is because lots of users (particularly new ones but seasoned users also) do not read these rules. They do not know that they should search before posting or opening new threads; they do not know that there are sections to ask questions that are not relevant to the section they posted at; they do not know that profanity shouldn't be used around here due to a large young crowd; they do not know that flaming (particularly for no apparent reason) is strictly prohibited....
Moderators have little time to be messing around with people who simply do not understand that there are rules that must be followed (or read for that matter). Hence, they close the threads with no previous notice and at times, leave no excuse behind. They don't do it out of the content of their hearts, and they are definitely not watching over every single thread at all times. If you see a thread being closed, it is normally due to someone complaining about it, and more often than not, mods will analyze the trend of the thread and if necessary either warn users to stop, or just flat out close it (normally they warn unless the thread itself is breaking the rules... think of posting warez for instance).
I have yet to see abuse of power by a mod in this forum. And I am pretty sure that if there happens to be a mod that does abuse his/her God-given powers.... let's just say that they will be judged by a higher power
My 2 cents!
Although some moderators try and go out of their way to leave a message as to why they lock a thread, that is not their job. Our job is to make sure people are following the rules.
Here is a little scenario, i log on at night and jump over to the D&H section.... there i find 10 new threads asking questions.
A) I can delete the threads
B) I can close the threads by simply going through and checking every thread and then closing.
C) i can individually open each thread and leave a message for each person
D) i can wait for another moderator to do it
E) move the thread for them
Well i cant delete them or people will think their thread never got posted and just post it AGAIN. If you move peoples threads for them they think they can post anywhere and it will just be moved where it needs to go. I dont have time to open every thread and leave a message for every person everytime, and if i leave it for another moderator, it might not get done.
Really i am only left with checking all of the threads and closing them. if you have a question you can READ the rules, as it is your resonsibilty as a member, and find the answer. (Or of course you can pm a mod)
You guys have to remember that there are over 1,537,526 members on this site and around 66 mods and admin. We do our best to help you guys but we dont always have the time to write a personal letter for everyone of your and put it in you lunch box.
I agree (not that it matters). Mods have absolutely NO responsibility to post why they closed a thread...Why? Because they already are posted...in the rules up top. Its you, the new users that have the resposibility. That responsibility to read the rules before you post (RTFM). It even says at the bottom (of the rules) what will happen if they are not followed.
And by allowing multiple threads of the SAME simple questions (Especially in a phones development section) this completely ruins development and progress, not to mention this is a free and public forum. That means its hosted on servers, and these duplicate threads/posts start to add up.
Trust me. Frequent the forums for more than a few months and it'll start to wear on you too, almost as much as it does to the mods.
UPDATE:
As of late, there seems to be a lot of issues with the dream section, many many topics on bricked phones, new OS releases, old releases, random topics, and other posts. The title of the forum is Dream android 'development', and its actually hard now to find 'development' scattered in many of the different types of topics in there.
SUGGESTION/RECOMMENDATION:
Make a sub-forum of the development forum (or of the whole dream forum like the current 5 main sub-forums), named something like troubleshooting, or repair, or something like that. That way, anyone with a broken phone can post in there maybe. It might be a bad suggestion simply because the 'helpers' may not check there...but I cant think of a better way to keep the 5 different topics a day saying "I have a different brick problem" organized so actual development [important] topics can stay up top, where they should be.
Anyone with a better idea, express it so something can be done, its quite a mess right now.
[Oh and maybe a description under the android dev. forum something in capital letters saying: be careful, and read everything before taking action!!!, because I think some people end up with bricks because of anticipation and possibly dont read. Just as a [duh] advisory, ya know?]
/rant
Thanks [btw not bashing the mods, its just a bit hectic it seems right now, many things going on there]
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UPDATE:
As of late, there seems to be a lot of issues with the dream section, many many topics on bricked phones, new OS releases, old releases, random topics, and other posts. The title of the forum is Dream android 'development', and its actually hard now to find 'development' scattered in many of the different types of topics in there.
SUGGESTION/RECOMMENDATION:
Make a sub-forum of the development forum (or of the whole dream forum like the current 5 main sub-forums), named something like troubleshooting, or repair, or something like that. That way, anyone with a broken phone can post in there maybe. It might be a bad suggestion simply because the 'helpers' may not check there...but I cant think of a better way to keep the 5 different topics a day saying "I have a different brick problem" organized so actual development [important] topics can stay up top, where they should be.
Anyone with a better idea, express it so something can be done, its quite a mess right now.
[Oh and maybe a description under the android dev. forum something in capital letters saying: be careful, and read everything before taking action!!!, because I think some people end up with bricks because of anticipation and possibly dont read. Just as a [duh] advisory, ya know?]
/rant
Thanks [btw not bashing the mods, its just a bit hectic it seems right now, many things going on there]
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That has been added as a suggestion and I will push for it again in the mod section.
BTW I am a Dream mod and I am usually the one that closes threads or deletes them. I don't always leave a message because it is more time consuming. I can have an unclean section with everyone getting a response and therefore getting their locked post bumped. Or I can have a cleaner (it will never be clean) section with angry users who didn't search in the first place.
I chose the later by the way.
neoobs said:
That has been added as a suggestion and I will push for it again in the mod section.
BTW I am a Dream mod and I am usually the one that closes threads or deletes them. I don't always leave a message because it is more time consuming. I can have an unclean section with everyone getting a response and therefore getting their locked post bumped. Or I can have a cleaner (it will never be clean) section with angry users who didn't search in the first place.
I chose the later by the way.
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Mhm, and you do what you can, I notice somethings being done by you, which is good that something is being done. I used to mod/administrate big places so I know what its like, its a pain when people cant search, or arent sure of where to post so they post anywhere (sometimes in the effort of 'just getting an answer').
This causes the clutter, especially when there are multiple 'different but very similar' type topics being created, and its tricky to know which to close and which not to close. Thats why I think maybe a separate forum 'might' be the best solution, because as of right now, bricks are happening pretty quickly and thats not good (no one to blame, just the anticipation again).
I appreciate the backing, hope 'something' can be done, its just really crowded right now (making the 'new' browsers get lost [causing the multiple similar topic issue], and your job harder).
One problem is the sticky's need to be updated by the people who started them. Many are older and with 5 different roms available to flash now they simply don't meet the demand for all these different roms. The rom developers need to do a better job of explaining how to flash their roms. The newest one tried to get a little too cute and force a new apps2sd method on users and the result was a lot of looped (not bricked) g1's. The sub forum could consist of how to's and guide's. I'm not sure a sub forum is the best way to go though, There are already 5 and most phones on here don't even have 4. Xda simply need more help with this section, neoobs has been cleaning house and i thank you but you can't do it all lol. I am a moderator on another site, not here but will do what i can to report posts as much as possible to help the mods.
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One problem is the sticky's need to be updated by the people who started them. Many are older and with 5 different roms available to flash now they simply don't meet the demand for all these different roms. The rom developers need to do a better job of explaining how to flash their roms. The newest one tried to get a little too cute and force a new apps2sd method on users and the result was a lot of looped (not bricked) g1's. The sub forum could consist of how to's and guide's. I'm not sure a sub forum is the best way to go though, There are already 5 and most phones on here don't even have 4. Xda simply need more help with this section, neoobs has been cleaning house and i thank you but you can't do it all lol. I am a moderator on another site, not here but will do what i can to report posts as much as possible to help the mods.
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Agreed 100%, it seems there are alot of stickies there, maybe redundant on some, but are necessary on others. There should be a way to make it distinguishable between information/guides, developments, and problems. They do need to be updated as well.
I agree, a forum might not be the best way because there might be 'lost' posts which would not work either (like the new magic thread that showed up, though I dont dissagree with that simply because the OP is correct, android is android, and the magic needs some help, maybe because we stole quite a bit from it too? lol. but still posting to 'get help' anywhere).
Is there a modification for vb that makes stickies different color than the regular topics? I never administrated vb only ipb and smf so I dont know. But that would be a big help there, then the new comers can instantly see which are informal.
Im trying to report, to help you so you dont need to spend as much time 'looking' as doing the task. Its not 'too' bad right now, when I first posted though omg it was disaster. Once the new rom comes out though....thennn its gonna be biig trouble again.
Update: I was looking at something...the first forum, named Dream. That I was actually looking at for the first time, it seems pretty useless really. A lot of the topics in there could definitely go into the development thread...OR that forum could get changed to something else and cleaned up. There arent many 'general' topics for the phone I dont think, whats general for the phone? What is the g1? Maybe but useless indeed. So maybe instead of MAKING a new forum, just change that one and clean it up. Make it a troubleshooting forum, or a tutorial section, or just updates, or something I dont know. But maybe just better use of it I think.
It seems like the forums have gone to complete hell lately with flames junk topics like "lol, socks" and "omfg 2.2 root!!???".
Is xda-devs short of moderators to lock and delete crap topics and flames? I thought the forum rules spoke against this.
perdurabo2 said:
It seems like the forums have gone to complete hell lately with flames junk topics like "lol, socks" and "omfg 2.2 root!!???".
Is xda-devs short of moderators to lock and delete crap topics and flames? I thought the forum rules spoke against this.
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Hey, great thread...
2.5 MILLION members
100 or so moderators
Care to calculate the member to moderator ratio?
Maybe you could start a new thread with the answer..
nebenezer said:
Care to calculate the member to moderator ratio?
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You were being facetious I assume. I'd be more than willing to do that math, but since you were able to find letters on a keyboard I assume you also can do it
P.S. I came in when I saw "lol, socks" in the preview. I still don't get it.
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Hey, great thread...
2.5 MILLION members
100 or so moderators
Care to calculate the member to moderator ratio?
Maybe you could start a new thread with the answer..
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It would be more accurate to calculate the # of forums/moderator ratio.
I'm interested in any alternative suggestions you might have. If you care to look at the threads, it's only a relatively small handful of trolls and junk topic creators.
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It would be more accurate to calculate the # of forums/moderator ratio.
I'm interested in any alternative suggestions you might have. If you care to look at the threads, it's only a relatively small handful of trolls and junk topic creators.
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My point is threads like this do nothing to help the situation.
We had a day long "town hall" meeting several months ago where the mods and users came together to discuss ways of improving things.
If you think a thread is junk or is in the wrong forum USE THE REPORT BUTTON
The mods don't have time to read every single thread and determine if it is legit or a waste of space. They asked us members for our help and said the best thing we can do to help is use the report button as it is intended.
Not to mention that with all the bullcrap threads that get started every day you are going to complain about the mods???
If you are going to complain about anyone it should be about the jerks that come in here with tunnel vision on the "New Thread" button and start new threads without reading ANYTHING
Is it an inconvenience? Does it clutter the forum in a HUGE way?
Yes and Yes, but complaining about the moderation is the wrong perspective.
Reminder: The mods here are V O L O U N T E E R S ! ! ! Help them out, go on a bullcrap thread reporting frenzy.
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My point is threads like this do nothing to help the situation.
We had a day long "town hall" meeting several months ago where the mods and users came together to discuss ways of improving things.
If you think a thread is junk or is in the wrong forum USE THE REPORT BUTTON
The mods don't have time to read every single thread and determine if it is legit or a waste of space. They asked us members for our help and said the best thing we can do to help is use the report button as it is intended.
Not to mention that with all the bullcrap threads that get started every day you are going to complain about the mods???
If you are going to complain about anyone it should be about the jerks that come in here with tunnel vision on the "New Thread" button and start new threads without reading ANYTHING
Is it an inconvenience? Does it clutter the forum in a HUGE way?
Yes and Yes, but complaining about the moderation is the wrong perspective.
Reminder: The mods here are V O L O U N T E E R S ! ! ! Help them out, go on a bullcrap thread reporting frenzy.
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Calm down. Having a bad day?
Also, if you're going to spell out "VOLUNTEERS" at least spell it correctly.
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Also, if you're going to spell out "VOLUNTEERS" at least spell it correctly.
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LMAO!! I literally spit my lunch out hahahahahaha
perdurabo2 said:
Calm down. Having a bad day?
Also, if you're going to spell out "VOLUNTEERS" at least spell it correctly.
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Having a great day, I just dont understand why you complain about the mods regarding a problem that you are contributing to with this very thread.
Take your own advice:
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Please don't start new topics to make random comments, use one of the many existing threads covering this topic.
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I think this is my 5th reply to this type of topic.
Your just adding to what your complaining about. A thread like this pops up almost daily.....
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Where are the moderators? I seem not to know how to use this forum?...
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The moderators are out not making new threads in a wrong place.
Alternative to thread-making altogether, just send them a personal message to get your issue resolved.
I like to type things... And you are reading this...
I don't know why you are reading this, but you did! [email protected]@ Level 2
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It seems like the forums have gone to complete hell lately with flames junk topics like "lol, socks" and "omfg 2.2 root!!???".
Is xda-devs short of moderators to lock and delete crap topics and flames? I thought the forum rules spoke against this.
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hey why did you edit the original post?>
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hey why did you edit the original post?>
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I'm not sure that I did. Is there a way to see a version history?
im right here, everyday and night. i would suggest reporting posts that are in violation of forum rules. i do my best to read as many threads i can and at least drop in and check out the conversations taking place. that said i cant read every post in every forum. the solution to this isnt to start a thread in the spirit of complaining about things not going the way u want them to. the solution would be to take action and report the posts that are out of line. this is a community and every member of the community can report people. at the second a post is reported most likely a moderator will handle the situation.
so please instead of complaining. do something to help out. contribute something to the community. dont add to the problem by flaming back or starting threads to complain about it.
that said... this thread is closed and ill leave my answer for everyone to see. i alone cant see everything. but we all together can bring those who are here for the wrong reason to light, so they can be dealt with.
PS this was posted in the wrong section. Questions need to be posted in Q&A. hence the title of the subforum(Q&A)
I have noticed that there is a large amount of double posting & people simply not following the rules in this section. There is like one moderator for that section & he is a developer, and of course spending his time on that, all of the rest are retired.. We need more mods there (At least two of them)
So please add a some mods there, I would even be more then happy helping out. It is just needed..
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I have noticed that there is a large amount of double posting & people simply not following the rules in this section. There is like one moderator for that section & he is a developer, and of course spending his time on that, all of the rest are retired.. We need more mods there (At least two of them)
So please add a some mods there, I would even be more then happy helping out. It is just needed..
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completely agree. having to fish through 20 pages of arguing and name calling is becoming slightly obtrusive. I would also be willing to help out
Thanks for pointing this out, can you please help us by reporting these posts by clicking on the "!" this will alert other moderators to take action.
Thanks again,
Mr. Clown
Flagged this one for discussion with the mods.
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completely agree. having to fish through 20 pages of arguing and name calling is becoming slightly....
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I'm SO glad someone is doing something about this! Thank you.
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willcwells said:
I'm SO glad someone is doing something about this! Thank you.
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Pulser has brought the issue to our attention, and I can assure that within a week or so there will be significant improvement.
@All: As the clown said, please use the Report Post option for threads that need to be dealt with. All Senior and Forum mods are notified when reports come in, so someone will act swiftly.
Just so everybody knows...I started moderating this forum a week ago...and I am doing my best to keep up with things...and I would say I am doing a pretty good job so far.
I agree with the OP things are bad right now but we are working to change that.
If you want to help send me a PM with anything you see that I can help with.
krook6023 said:
Just so everybody knows...I started moderating this forum a week ago...and I am doing my best to keep up with things...and I would say I am doing a pretty good job so far.
I agree with the OP things are bad right now but we are working to change that.
If you want to help send me a PM with anything you see that I can help with.
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Yeah I'm just saying there are a ton of people in that one section.. And your basically the only one because the other is a dev.. I just don't think 1 mod can handle all that, because like you said.. It is pretty bad
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Yeah I'm just saying there are a ton of people in that one section.. And your basically the only one because the other is a dev.. I just don't think 1 mod can handle all that, because like you said.. It is pretty bad
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I will be going into the vibrant forum now as well, to help out where possible in the clean-up operation
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I will be going into the vibrant forum now as well, to help out where possible in the clean-up operation
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Okay, Thanks!
I tried to PM mikechannon about the issue that is still occurring on the Vibrant forums.
Instead of it getting better, it seems to be getting worse..
"There is constant flaming/off topic going on there. I have posted about this issue before, and the MOD's just said to report those post.
Even though I have been reporting those post that contain cursing/advertising/off topic/spam/etc they some how don't seem to get moderated.
In some threads there have been several "Clean Up's" yet there still seems to be flaming & off topic.. Once again :/
I know there is one moderator that is for that section specifically (Krook6023) and there is sometimes another moderator that comes around, I can't think of his name at the moment.."
Is there any more we can do?
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I tried to PM mikechannon about the issue that is still occurring on the Vibrant forums.
Instead of it getting better, it seems to be getting worse..
"There is constant flaming/off topic going on there. I have posted about this issue before, and the MOD's just said to report those post.
Even though I have been reporting those post that contain cursing/advertising/off topic/spam/etc they some how don't seem to get moderated.
In some threads there have been several "Clean Up's" yet there still seems to be flaming & off topic.. Once again :/
I know there is one moderator that is for that section specifically (Krook6023) and there is sometimes another moderator that comes around, I can't think of his name at the moment.."
Is there any more we can do?
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The latest Android sections are a mess, plain and simple. The sheer number of users with Galaxy devices in general is a lot. We have many mods scattered throughout the site who are not online 24/7, so if we don't catch something, simply report it and be patient. We cannot stop the flaming from happening, but we do our best.
We see all Reported Posts, no exceptions but we evaluate the severity and act based on it.
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The latest Android sections are a mess, plain and simple. The sheer number of users with Galaxy devices in general is a lot. We have many mods scattered throughout the site who are not online 24/7, so if we don't catch something, simply report it and be patient. We cannot stop the flaming from happening, but we do our best.
We see all Reported Posts, no exceptions but we evaluate the severity and act based on it.
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My question is why not to open moderator applications for those sections?
I see stuff in there that I reported last week, and is still there.
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My question is why not to open moderator applications for those sections?
I see stuff in there that I reported last week, and is still there.
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Can you point me to it? I don't see anything reported by you in the Reported Posts. As for the applications, they are closed at the moment and we do have mod(s) in that forum: 1 full time (krook as you mentioned earlier), as well as me, and a couple of others who swing by every so often.
Well one problem is we can't really report threads within the app
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I have another tab open, I am going through all the things I reported..
Right now I have 11
But the search function closed, so I will wait for 10 minutes
I have offered to Mike to be CoMod of the fora. Hopefully I will be able to clear up issues you guys have been having in coordination with Krook
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Can you point me to it? I don't see anything reported by you in the Reported Posts. As for the applications, they are closed at the moment and we do have mod(s) in that forum: 1 full time (krook as you mentioned earlier), as well as me, and a couple of others who swing by every so often.
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Flaming/Language:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8818168&postcount=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8609894&postcount=11
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8443643&postcount=24
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8445059&postcount=28
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8916560&postcount=10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8558127&postcount=10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8007080&postcount=8
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8860408&postcount=29
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8602177&postcount=17
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8605661&postcount=29
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8753377&postcount=30
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8008585&postcount=18
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8008972&postcount=21
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8009632&postcount=24
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8293273&postcount=3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8293557&postcount=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8308154&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8318862&postcount=18
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7876315&postcount=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8962431&postcount=768
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8887289&postcount=110
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8851999&postcount=44
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8577161&postcount=13
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8248888&postcount=5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8961973&postcount=4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8948492&postcount=3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8902506&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8830399&postcount=23
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8962535&postcount=769
Off Topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8916762&postcount=16
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8781120&postcount=9
That is just a scratch off the top.
And not to offend you.. But even if there are MODs in that forum, we still need more. If there is still constant flaming/off topic, then isn't that a hint to get more mods?
Why not make master vibrant mod?
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Why not make master vibrant mod?
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I wouldn't mind helping out..
I'm sure all of you are getting sick of the flood of questions that come in and the single question and answer thread is just too long to go through to find questions let alone answer them. Hopefully we can get enough people on board to let the moderators know that this is a welcome addition. Seeing as how many phones have highest number of threads in the Q&A section, I think it is a worthy addition.
Problems:
1) Lack of moderation - the volume of posts, especially from new users is higher than the what can reasonably be moderated by the current number of moderators.
2) Relevant threads containing real information are buried by new threads (many which are off topic or not posted in the correct forum)
3) The forum is disorganized, which exacerbates the issue of new users asking duplicate, off topic, poor, misinformed questions.
4) There is an incredible lack of information for new users on usage, which creates a contentious atmosphere between new users and senior members who re-answer the same questions over and over, most of the time about HOW to use the forum and search features.
5) User modifiable resources like the wiki are unknown or obfuscated from new and long time members alike, thus rarely used. (On a side note....we should all be using the wiki to push pertinent information, valueable posts, references and guides up so that noobs (and experienced users also) can find them easier.)
Proposed Solutions:
1) Create additional subforums to help organize posts into relevant categories. (I vote for at least Q&A. MOST popular forums on XDA have this, so there is certainly precedent.)
2) Better sticky posts, with clearer titles. "Hello from your moderator." is not as clear to a new user as "[MANDATORY README]-[FORUM RULES][QUESTIONS][INSTRUCTIONS][If you don't read this you will be flamed, harrassed, possibly shanked in your sleep!]" You are reading this thread because of the title...that or you saw the DVDA postfix...you sick sick bastard...either way I win.
3) More moderators. It is far too hard for Whosdaman to constantly update sticky posts with relevant info. It is up to everyone here to get that info out so we aren't bombarded with questions that have been answered a hundred times. Wiki anyone?
4) We have a great resource in user editable wiki. There is a lot of stuff that can be done BETTER on a wiki than in a 1000 post thread, like reference material, guides, and instructions. We need to make it obvious to ALL users that the wiki exists and get people on board with updating it. Threads are a great way to hash out possible solutions and have a group discussion, but a lot of times what people need is a reference or guide and they shouldn't have to search a 1000 post thread to pull the relevant information.
5) Original posters need to update their OP when new information is revealed or when there is misinformation in a post. Having a post that's title says your flash cell is about to explode only to have to read 600 posts to find out that this information is untrue helps no one. Discussion is GREAT. Misinformation is NOT, and only fuels the confusion and duplicate thread issues.
From The Front Line:
Thanks for the outpouring of support and ideas to help get the ball rolling. Several of our ideas have been recently implemented so I am really hoping for some good news next war update.
20110109: Woot! We now have Q&A. Thanks mods and supporters!
20110109: My social experiment of double entendre "sticky posts" has 2000 views in only a couple of days. I'm not going to call this one confirmed, but if it stopped even 1 bad thread it was worth it.
20110109: We have sticky wiki in all the subforums. Now we need to add content to the wiki before people stop using it.
One Last Thing:
There are very few things we can change with regard to how many new users visit this forum, or the knowledge level of these users. The only thing we CAN do is make what they need to do as obvious as possible to these users, so that we can spend more time coding and writing relevant posts, instead of redirecting people to the search button, or frustration flaming newbies.
+1 agreed. This is ridiculous, it's a clusterf**k in these forums. Q & A is exactly what we need.
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I will say yes to the q&a it will cause less clutter.
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No, Q&A IS the general forum. What is needed is a sticky in the general forum with a CLEAR and concise description of how to:
root
use Odin
use clockwork
flash themes
flash roms
battery saving methods
airplane mode trick
DRM services and how to stop them
and ANYTHING else that gets asked multiple times a day. I dont know if some sort of limited moderator status can be granted, but if so it would be nice for noobnl, Daemon and a bunch of others to have said status and be able to update this sticky at any time. I am sure there are a ton of people who would be glad to do it.
Then, what is needed is a sticky called FROYO SPECULATION, where EVERY thread that deals with speculation of the coming Froyo release is moved, and all discussion of that topic is directed.
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No, Q&A IS the general forum. What is needed is a sticky in the general forum with a CLEAR and concise description of how to:
root
use Odin
use clockwork
flash themes
flash roms
battery saving methods
airplane mode trick
DRM services and how to stop them
and ANYTHING else that gets asked multiple times a day. I dont know if some sort of limited moderator status can be granted, but if so it would be nice for noobnl, Daemon and a bunch of others to have said status and be able to update this sticky at any time. I am sure there are a ton of people who would be glad to do it.
Then, what is needed is a sticky called FROYO SPECULATION, where EVERY thread that deals with speculation of the coming Froyo release is moved, and all discussion of that topic is directed.
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what you are saying isn't wrong but i want one
muyoso said:
No, Q&A IS the general forum. What is needed is a sticky in the general forum with a CLEAR and concise description of how to:
root
use Odin
use clockwork
flash themes
flash roms
battery saving methods
airplane mode trick
DRM services and how to stop them
and ANYTHING else that gets asked multiple times a day. I dont know if some sort of limited moderator status can be granted, but if so it would be nice for noobnl, Daemon and a bunch of others to have said status and be able to update this sticky at any time. I am sure there are a ton of people who would be glad to do it.
Then, what is needed is a sticky called FROYO SPECULATION, where EVERY thread that deals with speculation of the coming Froyo release is moved, and all discussion of that topic is directed.
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That is EXACTLY what the Wiki is for. But people either don't know about it, use it, or update it. Anyone can update the wiki. Leaving all of the cleanup to moderators isn't fair, or effective at getting stuff up quickly. There should be better indication to go to the wiki and more people need to start using it.
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That is EXACTLY what the Wiki is for. But people either don't know about it, use it, or update it. Anyone can update the wiki. Leaving all of the cleanup to moderators isn't fair, or effective at getting stuff up quickly. There should be better indication to go to the wiki and more people need to start using it.
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Thats fine, but where the eff is the wiki? A person who just bought their epic and signed up would NEVER find it. There needs to be like a flashing light and have the font in size 4.2 million saying "Epic 4g XDA User Manual" or something like that.
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Thats fine, but where the eff is the wiki? A person who just bought their epic and signed up would NEVER find it. There needs to be like a flashing light and have the font in size 4.2 million saying "Epic 4g XDA User Manual" or something like that.
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I agree. Or a sticky at the top of ALL of the subforums linking to the wiki. There used to be a STICKYWIKI post, but the title got changed.
I agree the wiki needs serious editing and updating, and we should all be somewhat responsible. Maybe if you flame a newbie, you have to add a paragraph, like a swear jar smoothone, get typing hahaha.. sorry... had to... but I get the feeling you dont mind.
Honestly, I wish sprint would just say screw you, no froyo. This way, people would move on, keep developing, not thinking to wait on that elusive source code... and stop *****ing. The repeat questions, etc werent that bad until that stupid 26th thing brought a bunch of new people at once, so everyone here who was already waiting and annoyed, then get bombarded with new people who heard about XDA from engadget.
BTW... wheres those two who had those super secret sources?????? Kinda quiet....
Bloggers: do not cite an XDA member, or their word they have a good source unless they show you the goods! Somehow, everyone thinks XDA really knows more than the average joe... and dont trust Sprint sales info or personnel!!!!
Sure, let's create yet ANOTHER ignored forum that the mod(s) get to monitor and spend more time on while every single new user here ignores it and the search button just to post the question anyway.
Instead of making a new forum, we need another moderator added to help manage the forum.
And make a post count minimum to START a new thread!! Too many ppl coming over straight from google and, not knowing how to use xda (or their effen owners manual) to its fullest.
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othan1 said:
Sure, let's create yet ANOTHER ignored forum that the mod(s) get to monitor and spend more time on while every single new user here ignores it and the search button just to post the question anyway.
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Dumping questions to a Q&A forum creates less clutter for the other forums, thus relevant threads will more likely be in the first two pages.
lazydazed said:
And make a post count minimum to START a new thread!! Too many ppl coming over straight from google and, not knowing how to use xda (or their effen owners manual) to its fullest.
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I love that idea, but there are occasionally relevant posts from new users. I would like to think that not EVERYONE that initially comes to XDA is a moron. But I guess I'm a glass half full kind of guy.
It looks like a lot of people are in favor of it.
The Q&A forum will just be full of people asking the SAME QUESTIONS over and over and over again. Why not just create a sticky that either links to an updated wiki or better yet that lays out nicely how to do basic things with the Epic4g?
muyoso said:
The Q&A forum will just be full of people asking the SAME QUESTIONS over and over and over again. Why not just create a sticky that either links to an updated wiki or better yet that lays out nicely how to do basic things with the Epic4g?
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That's ok, as long as the questions aren't in the other forums. But I agree, sticky to the wiki should be on all subforums.
Personally I don't care if the Q&A forum is filled with spam repost topics. All I, and others, want is for the it to be quarantined.
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muyoso said:
The Q&A forum will just be full of people asking the SAME QUESTIONS over and over and over again. Why not just create a sticky that either links to an updated wiki or better yet that lays out nicely how to do basic things with the Epic4g?
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That will happen in any forum. We do need a sticky, but don't expect that to stop the noobs from asking before reading.
I see that some of the other Galaxy phones here on xda have a Q&A in addition to a general section. General is used for general discussion and Q&A is for all questions. It seems like it would be more obvious for noobs to wander into the Q&A section to ask questions and hopefully save the mods some effort while also cleaning up our little corner of this website.
DiGi760 said:
That will happen in any forum. We do need a sticky, but don't expect that to stop the noobs from asking before reading.
I see that some of the other Galaxy phones here on xda have a Q&A in addition to a general section. General is used for general discussion and Q&A is for all questions. It seems like it would be more obvious for noobs to wander into the Q&A section to ask questions and hopefully save the mods some effort while also cleaning up our little corner of this website.
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Exactly my point. Also, as someone mentioned...the cycle of useless questions that cant be prevented will at least be quarantined.
I wanted to post something I noticed about an issue with frx07 about a known bug, and I get the message I can't post because I don't have enough posts.
Really??? WHo the heck does this help? Now I can't give my observations on the issue that maybe would be a help to debugging it, and I have to waste my and the boards time posting junk such as this??? Really , who had this brillant idea?
This thread helps to explain why: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069298
If you have a problem with a ROM, you could maybe send a PM to the dev, or start a new thread in the Q&A forum for that device.
i think it,s better to let everyone post and if the OPs find that the question is not appropriate, they can delete it
nziaad said:
i think it,s better to let everyone post and if the OPs find that the question is not appropriate, they can delete it
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Its not really that simple....
The amount of posts that would need to be deleted is enormous and tbh we have better things to do than constantly move posts that could have been posted in the correct location if the user took the time to read up a bit before posting.
This 10 post rule gives them time to do that....
This is ridiculous. I have posted several times seriously and then was told not able to post...
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This is ridiculous. I have posted several times seriously and then was told not able to post...
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I checked your posting history, looks like you had absolutely no trouble wasting your ten posts spamming useless bullsh*t then REQUESTING A FEATURE in a development thread (again, spamming), which you could have easily done in Q&A without any fuss or attention whatsoever.
The rules are setup to inconvenience time-wasting fools like yourself, and to give you a chance to make a positive impact in your first tentative moments here. You've gone and blatantly kicked in the face the information provided in each of the threads you spammed in, as well as completely missed the entire point of the community. Congratu-f*cking-lations.
I hope you get the biggest, baddest ban hammer around, because honestly, it's all you deserve.
Hello,
I am merely replying in order to achieve the minimum of 10 posts, so I can help somebody in another thread.
yours sincerely,
Slawen
ps
Is there a way on how to achieve the minimum posts, so I that I'm not poluting this forum with unnecessary spam?
Slawen said:
Hello,
I am merely replying in order to achieve the minimum of 10 posts, so I can help somebody in another thread.
yours sincerely,
Slawen
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Is there a way on how to achieve the minimum posts, so I that I'm not poluting this forum with unnecessary spam?
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Answer questions in question and answer sections. Just don't spam pointless crap.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
conantroutman said:
Answer questions in question and answer sections. Just don't spam pointless crap.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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Okay, will do. Thanks!