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[Q] Why do you guys keep posting [Q]'s in development?

seriously, folks....
Did you not read any of the forum guidelines before you started posting? Did you not understand them? IF YOU AREN'T POSTING UP DEVELOPMENT MATERIAL (e.g a new ROM, a new kernel, a system hack, a new radio) STOP STARTING THREADS IN THERE.
the q and a forum is for questions.
and, if you are having an issue with a particular kernel, rom, radio, troll the thread concerning that particular item. chances are that someone else has had the problem, and that another person solved it. if it hasn't been solved, post in that thread, with specifics to your issue.
you do not need to start a thread. in fact, when you start threads that have to be moved, your leftovers have to be cleaned up behind you.
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and no, i don't need some person (db, i'm looking at you) to come in here and say "blah blah blah you're just a wanna be mod", or some other non-helpful comment. the fact of the matter is that there is a place for everything. please keep it in its place. you're more likely to find your answer by searching first, and posting in the correct place. you will also find that you are not starting a load of silly flaming as people bicker and fight about stupid crap.

Wanna be mod.
Thanks.
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I agree with you. But why do you always have to be that guy who complains about eveyones posts. It gets kinda old also.
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If more developers came in here instead of developer wanna b's answering in such a way as to post boost, then we wouldn't have to...
I personally think the PRI question should be a sticky over there until resolved...but that would be too easy I guess?

nvm.............

r.mauldin said:
I agree with you. But why do you always have to be that guy who complains about eveyones posts. It gets kinda old also.
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why am i complaining? because why should i have to sift through 8 tons of crap because someone else can't read? the development forum is busy enough. if 15 threads weren't moved every day, you'd have to sift through page after page after page of complete nonsense just to find the actual things that belong in there.
sorry. i don't have the time to baby step someone through a complex process when they don't bother to read the simple things.

timothydonohue said:
why am i complaining? because why should i have to sift through 8 tons of crap because someone else can't read? the development forum is busy enough. if 15 threads weren't moved every day, you'd have to sift through page after page after page of complete nonsense just to find the actual things that belong in there.
sorry. i don't have the time to baby step someone through a complex process when they don't bother to read the simple things.
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I did say I agree with you. But you make yourself "that guy".

r.mauldin said:
I did say I agree with you. But you make yourself "that guy".
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But "that guy" isn't alone. Lately I've noticed 8+ of us that are "those guys" and growing.
A simple analogy would be comparing parking in the handicapped space at the mall, not worth the risk so you don't... on XDA there is no risk so people park their Q's in the handicapped space (dev) all day long. Neither scenario is right, nor should be tolerated.

timothydonohue said:
seriously, folks....
Did you not read any of the forum guidelines before you started posting?...yada yada yada and blah blah blah
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I could honestly be missing the point here, but by posting your complaint in the Q&A aren't you just griping to those of us who are already in the correct place for general EVO questions instead of in the dev forum where the offenders actually are?

cardiox said:
If more developers came in here instead of developer wanna b's answering in such a way as to post boost, then we wouldn't have to...
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I think a developer wouldn't want to answer the question of some fool who can't even post in the right forum.

Crotchety said:
I could honestly be missing the point here, but by posting your complaint in the Q&A aren't you just griping to those of us who are already in the correct place for general EVO questions instead of in the dev forum where the offenders actually are?
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yes, but what point would i be making by posting it in there? and, as mauldin pointed out, i answer enough of those threads.
however, unless i'm grumpy, i try to both answer their question AND point out that it should be posted in the appropriate place.

I'm with you OP, its irritating and actually disrespectful to the community
BTW, this should have been posted in dev.. lol

timothydonohue said:
yes, but what point would i be making by posting it in there? and, as mauldin pointed out, i answer enough of those threads.
however, unless i'm grumpy, i try to both answer their question AND point out that it should be posted in the appropriate place.
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I hear you and I just joined XDA not too long ago at all. A few things I learned right away:
- USE THE DAMN SEARCH BUTTON
- READ READ READ READ READ READ
- If you can't find an answer using the search button, open a new tab and Google it
- Still can't find an answer? You'd better search through the other threads before starting a new thread
- These threads wouldn't be so long if people would simply read the OP
- Kittehz r dyin cuz u dont no how 2 reed
Seriously though, I hate to see a great community become angered over lazy people. It ruins it for those of us who do heed the rules.

I am with the OP and to the persons aying if more devs came and answered there questions in QA they wouldnt ask in dev .... most of the people answering questions in DEv arent the DEVS. the DEVS are busy developing things and shouldnt be expected to waste there time answering the same 3 questions everyday all day.
Many people on the forum DO come to the Q&A and try to provide insight. Some are less helpful then others but in general you will get flamed less, you will get the answer and you wont cause issues with the "neatness" of the forums.

timothydonohue said:
yes, but what point would i be making by posting it in there? and, as mauldin pointed out, i answer enough of those threads.
however, unless i'm grumpy, i try to both answer their question AND point out that it should be posted in the appropriate place.
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Fair enough. As a seasoned XDA vet of a whopping 3 posts (including this one), I would defer to you on this issue, but I just think it looks like you're complaining to the wrong people. We're already in the Q&A which means we're already doing what you devs have been trying to get the offending posters (who are over in the dev forum) to do. They're not gonna see your OP in here because they're too busy bypassing the Q&A and heading over to Dev to annoy you guys with generic questions again.

Basically what has happened is the Evo and other somewhat likfe phones have blown up. Word spread like wildfire that XDA was the place to get any and all help with your phones. (Which don't get me wrong 99% of the people here are more then willing to help.) This brought a lot of new people on the scene and wanting information and help. Unfortunately some of those people don't want to play by the rules of the road.
Maybe it's just me but it seems like over the past couple months this is what's happened. I seem to remember another thread this was brought up and a suggestion was made about being a member for a certain period of time before being able to create a new thread. I'm not saying this needs to happen because I don't think that would solve anything actually.
Ok...my rant's over now too.
*Just my 2 cents*

[Q] Where are the moderators?

It seems like the forums have gone to complete hell lately with flames junk topics like "lol, socks" and "omfg 2.2 root!!???".
Is xda-devs short of moderators to lock and delete crap topics and flames? I thought the forum rules spoke against this.

perdurabo2 said:
It seems like the forums have gone to complete hell lately with flames junk topics like "lol, socks" and "omfg 2.2 root!!???".
Is xda-devs short of moderators to lock and delete crap topics and flames? I thought the forum rules spoke against this.
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Hey, great thread...
2.5 MILLION members
100 or so moderators
Care to calculate the member to moderator ratio?
Maybe you could start a new thread with the answer..

nebenezer said:
Care to calculate the member to moderator ratio?
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You were being facetious I assume. I'd be more than willing to do that math, but since you were able to find letters on a keyboard I assume you also can do it
P.S. I came in when I saw "lol, socks" in the preview. I still don't get it.

nebenezer said:
Hey, great thread...
2.5 MILLION members
100 or so moderators
Care to calculate the member to moderator ratio?
Maybe you could start a new thread with the answer..
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It would be more accurate to calculate the # of forums/moderator ratio.
I'm interested in any alternative suggestions you might have. If you care to look at the threads, it's only a relatively small handful of trolls and junk topic creators.

perdurabo2 said:
It would be more accurate to calculate the # of forums/moderator ratio.
I'm interested in any alternative suggestions you might have. If you care to look at the threads, it's only a relatively small handful of trolls and junk topic creators.
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My point is threads like this do nothing to help the situation.
We had a day long "town hall" meeting several months ago where the mods and users came together to discuss ways of improving things.
If you think a thread is junk or is in the wrong forum USE THE REPORT BUTTON
The mods don't have time to read every single thread and determine if it is legit or a waste of space. They asked us members for our help and said the best thing we can do to help is use the report button as it is intended.
Not to mention that with all the bullcrap threads that get started every day you are going to complain about the mods???
If you are going to complain about anyone it should be about the jerks that come in here with tunnel vision on the "New Thread" button and start new threads without reading ANYTHING
Is it an inconvenience? Does it clutter the forum in a HUGE way?
Yes and Yes, but complaining about the moderation is the wrong perspective.
Reminder: The mods here are V O L O U N T E E R S ! ! ! Help them out, go on a bullcrap thread reporting frenzy.

nebenezer said:
My point is threads like this do nothing to help the situation.
We had a day long "town hall" meeting several months ago where the mods and users came together to discuss ways of improving things.
If you think a thread is junk or is in the wrong forum USE THE REPORT BUTTON
The mods don't have time to read every single thread and determine if it is legit or a waste of space. They asked us members for our help and said the best thing we can do to help is use the report button as it is intended.
Not to mention that with all the bullcrap threads that get started every day you are going to complain about the mods???
If you are going to complain about anyone it should be about the jerks that come in here with tunnel vision on the "New Thread" button and start new threads without reading ANYTHING
Is it an inconvenience? Does it clutter the forum in a HUGE way?
Yes and Yes, but complaining about the moderation is the wrong perspective.
Reminder: The mods here are V O L O U N T E E R S ! ! ! Help them out, go on a bullcrap thread reporting frenzy.
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Calm down. Having a bad day?
Also, if you're going to spell out "VOLUNTEERS" at least spell it correctly.

perdurabo2 said:
Also, if you're going to spell out "VOLUNTEERS" at least spell it correctly.
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LMAO!! I literally spit my lunch out hahahahahaha

perdurabo2 said:
Calm down. Having a bad day?
Also, if you're going to spell out "VOLUNTEERS" at least spell it correctly.
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Having a great day, I just dont understand why you complain about the mods regarding a problem that you are contributing to with this very thread.
Take your own advice:
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Please don't start new topics to make random comments, use one of the many existing threads covering this topic.
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I think this is my 5th reply to this type of topic.
Your just adding to what your complaining about. A thread like this pops up almost daily.....
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perdurabo2 said:
Where are the moderators? I seem not to know how to use this forum?...
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The moderators are out not making new threads in a wrong place.
Alternative to thread-making altogether, just send them a personal message to get your issue resolved.
I like to type things... And you are reading this...
I don't know why you are reading this, but you did! [email protected]@ Level 2

perdurabo2 said:
It seems like the forums have gone to complete hell lately with flames junk topics like "lol, socks" and "omfg 2.2 root!!???".
Is xda-devs short of moderators to lock and delete crap topics and flames? I thought the forum rules spoke against this.
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hey why did you edit the original post?>

Tilde88 said:
hey why did you edit the original post?>
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I'm not sure that I did. Is there a way to see a version history?

im right here, everyday and night. i would suggest reporting posts that are in violation of forum rules. i do my best to read as many threads i can and at least drop in and check out the conversations taking place. that said i cant read every post in every forum. the solution to this isnt to start a thread in the spirit of complaining about things not going the way u want them to. the solution would be to take action and report the posts that are out of line. this is a community and every member of the community can report people. at the second a post is reported most likely a moderator will handle the situation.
so please instead of complaining. do something to help out. contribute something to the community. dont add to the problem by flaming back or starting threads to complain about it.
that said... this thread is closed and ill leave my answer for everyone to see. i alone cant see everything. but we all together can bring those who are here for the wrong reason to light, so they can be dealt with.
PS this was posted in the wrong section. Questions need to be posted in Q&A. hence the title of the subforum(Q&A)

[Q] Posting confusion ...

I'm a bit confused. I was wanting to post a response to this forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1076150&page=233
... and the forum said that I couldn't post to it until I had posted 10 posts total.
However, the last person to post to this forum had only posted ONE post.
?????

Users who joined before the restriction were "grand fathered" in, allowing them to post with less than 10 posts.

Can I just mention that I think this is a silly restriction?
I've been developing code for almost 35 years, and to restrict me from posting to a developers forums until I post 10 posts in other forums is frankly ...
silly ... not to metion useless.
What's to prevent a 12-year old with TONS of time on his hands, to post 10 times in one day and circumvent your restriction.
Whereas, serious developers, like me, are interferred with and hampered.
Wow.

Tuleen Donai said:
Can I just mention that I think this is a silly restriction?
I've been developing code for almost 35 years, and to restrict me from posting to a developers forums until I post 10 posts in other forums is frankly ...
silly ... not to metion useless.
What's to prevent a 12-year old with TONS of time on his hands, to post 10 times in one day and circumvent your restriction.
Whereas, serious developers, like me, are interferred with and hampered.
Wow.
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My friend, this has been covered time and time (and time) again. If you've developed code for thirty-something years, you have the skills and the nouse to help ten members in the Q&A thread. Then you can post in a Dev forum.
Even Linus Torvalds' first post shouldn't be in a Development forum.

I was able to post before but now restricted to post... Now I am trying to meet the requirement.

Tuleen Donai said:
I'm a bit confused. I was wanting to post a response to this forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1076150&page=233
... and the forum said that I couldn't post to it until I had posted 10 posts total.
However, the last person to post to this forum had only posted ONE post.
?????
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Try to check your email and click on the url sent to you by the admin, to complete your registration.

oh my oh my oh my oh my oh my....
Does nobody read anything anymore....
Pick any thread in this section and theres a very high chance that it will be another "whaa whaaa whaa I can't post yet" thread...
That is why the rule is there...
I know this isn't helpful and didn't answer your question but it really has been answered so many times theres no need to do so....
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

conantroutman said:
oh my oh my oh my oh my oh my....
Does nobody read anything anymore....
Pick any thread in this section and theres a very high chance that it will be another "whaa whaaa whaa I can't post yet" thread...
That is why the rule is there...
I know this isn't helpful and didn't answer your question but it really has been answered so many times theres no need to do so....
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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We're fighting a losing battle, bud.

really? 10 posts restriction for all newbies? i am very new

honeydroidbirds said:
really? 10 posts restriction for all newbies? i am very new
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Yes, for the development forums. Too many new members are posting pointless questions that have been asked 100's of times before and cluttering th threads, or just posting thanks. There are Q&A forums for questions you need to ask, and maybe answer a few to get your post count up.

Cannot post in Development threads?

Any Idea why??
myonlyst4r, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
Please Read: New members (those with fewer than 10 posts) are not permitted to post to development-related forums. The developer forums are intended for experienced users and developers to discuss ways to improve technical aspects related to ROMs and Software. While you may be an expert, we ask ALL users to avoid posting questions about using or installing ROMs and software in the Development Forums. To encourage this new Users can read but not post in these forums.
To ask Questions about developing your device, installing ROMs, software and themes you must go to the Q&A or General Forum.
Remember, your question has very likely been asked already, so please search before posting.
Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.
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You have few posts.
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Loll u need 10 posts!!!
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myonlyst4r said:
Any Idea why??
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A little reading goes a long way, especially in the dev section. You quoted the answer to your question in the OP

aeakin said:
A little reading goes a long way, especially in the dev section. You quoted the answer to your question in the OP
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Hence the reason for the restrictions ....lol

I already have > 10 posts....

how am i supposed to post 10 posts? it will just be spam then..
i mean all i wanted to post was a thank u for my rom developer (krarvind, slim bean rocks) and ask about new features etc

zeddicus0 said:
how am i supposed to post 10 posts? it will just be spam then..
i mean all i wanted to post was a thank u for my rom developer (krarvind, slim bean rocks) and ask about new features etc
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Spamming ten posts isn't a great idea. Try and post something meaningful and maybe try and help some others in the Q&A threads.
Rom development threads aren't really the place to post a thank you, that's why there is a thanks button. Also feature requests probably would be better suited in the Q&A thread for that rom. If it doesn't have one already maybe one can be started.

Same problem.
I am also having a problem posting on development related threads. I am having a problem and cannot let anyone know. I already have 11 posts, why am I still getting the same message that I cannot post? Any help?

I agree that the ten posts thing is ridiculous. I have been pulling my hair out trying to solve a problem, and I found a thread which discussed a possible solution to that problem, but was having some difficulty with it working, and wanted to post the specifics of my problem and how they related to the solution presented to see if it was reasonable to think the solution might work. Instead, I am treated to a condescending message telling me, in effect to take a hike (to put it politely). I don't have time to come up with ten meaningful contributions before I get help solving the problem I am having - heck, I wasn't even sure from the message where I was even supposed to post such messages, since it said I can't post to "development-related forums" - what else is there on a site called xda-developers, anyway? I only found this thread using google to search for this whole ten posts nonsense.
And then, some of the responses by certain moderators seemed down-right rude, for instance one post complaining about how they wanted to thank the author for a post and report some minor issues was countered by a moderator who apparently didn't even read that part and closed the thread, declaring that their post had proved the need for the rule, as the person obviously hadn't learned "how to search" which doesn't even make sense consider the original poster already implied they HAD since otherwise how would you thank someone for something they found helpful and contribute findings on it?
Anyway, the best I could do was to send a private message to the most recent poster who appeared to be knowledgeable about the topic and hope for a reply. They were not the original poster, nor were they one of several other people knowledgable who had previously posted; this is thus a sub-optimal solution. Furthermore, any replies directly to me won't be shared with the world, meaning it won't help anyone with the same problem as me.
And you expect me to contribute in the future after treating me this way?

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The ten post rule is to fight spammers and people who don't search cluttering up development threads with support questions. It's not hard to get ten meaningful posts. I understand frustrations when you're trying to figure out a problem, you've done the best which is ask someone knowledgeable for help, but the rule is in place for a reason.

[Q] What do we have "Q And A for Ace II" thread for?

Yes, i know that everyone of you (examples below) have very important question, that deserves separate thread, but, for God sake, don't spam the forum!!! (yes, my thread is meant to be provocative...). There is Q And A for Ace II thread for most of that questions...
Examples:
"[Q] How to root Ace gt-i8160 with BTU MC8?" (yes, it freakin' special technique to root phone working on that firmware)
"[Q] It is possible Update to JB?" (oh yeah, nobody answers that question so far, it required new thread)
"[Q] PIT?" (yes, that question probably would be ignored in q & a thread... the same way its ignored in separate thread)
"[Q] Change camera settings?" (veeeery important, no comment)
and so on...
Am I the only one here tired of all that spam?

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Yes, i know that everyone of you (examples below) have very important question, that deserves separate thread, but, for God sake, don't spam the forum!!! (yes, my thread is meant to be provocative...). There is Q And A for Ace II thread for most of that questions...
Examples:
"[Q] How to root Ace gt-i8160 with BTU MC8?" (yes, it freakin' special technique to root phone working on that firmware)
"[Q] It is possible Update to JB?" (oh yeah, nobody answers that question so far, it required new thread)
"[Q] PIT?" (yes, that question probably would be ignored in q & a thread... the same way its ignored in separate thread)
"[Q] Change camera settings?" (veeeery important, no comment)
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Am I the only one here tired of all that spam?
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+1 :good:

I totally feel you man. People are behaving here like it's some technical support not respecting the rules they agreed to accept while registering here. Constant mess, chatting in threads, useless posts about personal feelings, asking questions which require spending 10 seconds with Google or forum search function. But the saddest thing here is that it seems like people who want to keep forums clean are actually minority here. Or at least they are instantly quenched by those who have to quote entire-page-long post to say only "thanks" and are raged about being offended and abused.

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I totally feel you man. People are behaving here like it's some technical support not respecting the rules they agreed to accept while registering here. Constant mess, chatting in threads, useless posts about personal feelings, asking questions which require spending 10 seconds with Google or forum search function. But the saddest thing here is that it seems like people who want to keep forums clean are actually minority here. Or at least they are instantly quenched by those who have to quote entire-page-long post to say only "thanks" and are raged about being offended and abused.
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Exactly. Its like they're on Facebook or this forums is like a social networking site to them.

Ask the forum moderators to make this thread a sticky. So that everyone can see it.

How about if we just ignore (and report) any new useless thread and be a little more active in the Q&A Thread?
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How about if we just ignore (and report) any new useless thread
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That's a good solution. Were not annoyed but the mods are. What do think? LOL.
Leave them alone and just try and point them to the right direction. If they do it again, report that user. I'm active on Q and A but some are just "you know" I don't really want to talk to people who you'd still have to walk through every little detail. I'm not good with explaining myself so I tend to ignore posts that ask me to do just that.
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very right. i don't know why any people always post a new post to ask? some question is spam! made our forum is do not beautiful, it's make messy and not subtle. I know if always report any spam question make they be bothered. i don't think out solution for now

YEAH! thats is why i created the All about ace2 for GB and JB to lessen this problem anyway its way to many to report each same question or post

I'll try to enlighten all of you... BECAUSE THE Q&A THREAD DOESN'T WORK!!!
Until I see a forum moderator saying that all the question should be posted there I will never do it again (only done it once) and I'll explain why:
1. To make any Q&A thread work we would expect someone to maintain and index on it, but this isn't the case here.
2. Posts are ignored because they get lost in all the discussions going on there.
3. Answers are lost because most of the time no one knows if the answer is to your question or to the question 2 posts below yours.
4. Search is impossible if you don't know the exact words used.
Maybe the reasons above are part of the motive other devices have a specific areas for questions, like "Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting" that have 3000 posts in it... Trying to make it all fit on 1 thread is completely useless and extremely confusing. No one can expect a user to go thru 100 pages trying to find an answer to his question.
Now picking up on the 1st question, let me make another one...
Why do some users in this forum spend more time "demanding" people to post where they think is right other then helping people?
If we were a bit more friendly maybe more people would stay and help out, instead we just drive people out with this kind of aggressive and unjustified comments.

mcjpt said:
I'll try to enlighten all of you... BECAUSE THE Q&A THREAD DOESN'T WORK!!!
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You have right, partially.
But the questions are left without answers for several reasons:
- the answer was posted before
- nobody know the answer
- the answer is easy to achieve just by checking by oneself.
mcjpt said:
Why do some users in this forum spend more time "demanding" people to post where they think is right other then helping people?
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Did you see a policeman helping a thief to break the law only for one reason: to be nice, kind and helpful?? And this is what you propose.
Answering your question: Because i want to keep our subforum CLEAN. How many of that "new question threads" was already answered (sometimes in SEPARATE, dedicated thread)? And what you propose is to help other breaking the rules.
mcjpt said:
If we were a bit more friendly maybe more people would stay and help out, instead we just drive people out with this kind of aggressive and unjustified comments.
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There are forums where people are banned for breaking rules, trust me, and "illegall threads" land where it belongs: in trashcan.

Chill out! Just go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2321168 why?
simple... almost any developments are here pack in one for easy access.. to make it less confusing..

mcjpt said:
I'll try to enlighten all of you... BECAUSE THE Q&A THREAD DOESN'T WORK!!!
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Really? I think it doesn't work because people like you never learn. Questions are answered there - that's the purpose. And that purpose is served.
Questions are lost because some can't answer them, or its too easy if you learned to read and simply because the question itself is dumb (the answer is obvious yet they choose to post it)
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Until I see a forum moderator saying that all the question should be posted there I will never do it again
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actually, one of our forum mods, The Captain - is reminding new users to post on the Q and A thread then he locks the thread.
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4. Search is impossible if you don't know the exact words used.
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Uhhm. I use search and never had any problems so far. I'm guessing you really don't know how to use a search engine productively.
mcjpt said:
Maybe the reasons above are part of the motive other devices have a specific areas for questions, like "Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting" that have 3000 posts in it... Trying to make it all fit on 1 thread is completely useless and extremely confusing. No one can expect a user to go thru 100 pages trying to find an answer to his question.
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Since we don't have a section like that, I think its better to use a single thread. thus searching would be faster.
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Why do some users in this forum spend more time "demanding" people to post where they think is right other then helping people?
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In all honesty, I usually tell the user the answer and direct them to the q and a thread for any other questions irrelevant to the question on the thread.
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