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I was at the mall a few days ago and this shop was advertising a special to root/jailbreak iphones and android phones for 40 bucks, does anybody actually do this??
They do. Just look at the price premium paid for jailbroken iPhones on eBay as compared to non-jailbroken iPhones. But that's the iPhone. I would wager that as a whole, people who buy Android phones have a higher rate of self-rooting and less use for such a service.
well from what i saw it was 25 to 40. But damn really it makes me mad that people would charge that much to do something that can be done without professional help. I mean i will only charge 5 bucks if i'm super busy with my day and if I have nothing going on that day i'll do it for free.
You'd be surprised what people are willing to pay to not have to research and use a little elbow grease.
I charge people $10 to root their phones for them. It's funny that folks don't want to take the time to read and are scared of bricking their device, so for some reason they trust a complete stranger to root their phone for them. I charge $10 and donate $5 of that to whatever Rom I put on the phone and to whoever created the rooting process I used because obviously I didn't invent this thing called rooting. I also donate my own money to the rooting method I use and to CM monthly, so really I doubt I am turning a profit, but it is fun to research and root all kinds of different phones.
Yea I only charge the 5 to 10 to buy myself food, because be a broke college guy isn't that fun
But yea when people tell me to jailbreak their iphone and i tell them it cost nothing they are shocked lol.
Rooting is pretty fun to me especially when i get a phone i never have used before.
They do. I have offers from some people and some are offering up to $100 to do it (to unroot and setup couple small things), but i don't want to - simply is not about money... they don't deserve it ( i do this only for friends and not for money). Not everything is for sale, call me crazy to refuse that but that is my opinion.
I have yet to see these type of offers anywhere, I run my own small computer business as a side job. I don't make any money tho cuz most of my clients are family and friends so I don't charge them. I would charge to root someone's phone but only after explaining to them that it can be done for free on their own, but I'd end up donating it like one of the other posters.
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I've done it for a few people and charged varied amounts. My cousin didn't know I know I could do this, and he bought an Evo on eBay and paid someone $50 to root it and flash it to Metro for him. People will pay for just about anything.
pretty much all non hardware issues with most modern day electronics can be fixed for free with a little research and elbow grease. If you think rooting is expensive look at the pc repair shops. To restore your computer with disks most big box stores charge $160+ ... simply to run a few disks (or hit a few buttons if it is a partition). virus removal - 160-180$+ in most cases to boot into safe mode and run a few different virus scans and or restore your pc. Heck to install a piece of software most charge 30$ its crazy what people will pay for things that can be done relatively easy for a little bit of research and time.
Yea I actually thought about doing this but I couldn't imagine charging more than 10 bucks for my time. It's not like I'm really doing any work, just some knowledge and time. I root my friends phones for fun. (samsung phones are crappy fyi )
Yeah it all comes down to a lack of research or the lack of confidence or both.
Android users generally are more computer savvy and will do it on their own but there are a lot of people out there that don't even know what rooting is or look at all the guides and have no idea what to do. Thats why I made one as simple as I could.
Rooting is one thing
Rooting is one thing. But installing a custom rom, putting the best Kernal for that rom, doing nandroid backups, installing any themes, updating radios, putting on gingerbread keyboard, backing up all apps and data prior and then restoring....ALL that can take a little over an hour or more depending on the phone.
And to some it is rocket science but to us its not. We have a skill set we gained from countless hours of reading and working on our own phones. For friends and family FREE, but anyone else, I have NO problem charging. But I do agree strongly with donating. I have donated to Fresh, Myn, Riptide, XDA, etc. to show my thanks.
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pretty much all non hardware issues with most modern day electronics can be fixed for free with a little research and elbow grease. If you think rooting is expensive look at the pc repair shops. To restore your computer with disks most big box stores charge $160+ ... simply to run a few disks (or hit a few buttons if it is a partition). virus removal - 160-180$+ in most cases to boot into safe mode and run a few different virus scans and or restore your pc. Heck to install a piece of software most charge 30$ its crazy what people will pay for things that can be done relatively easy for a little bit of research and time.
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you say this. But work a job like that talking to people who will pay for those kinds of services day in and day out, and you come to realize, that what seems like it should be easy for you, either makes no sense or is very hard for other people.
my job is in computer repair, and I am amazed at the things people think, or are afraid to do. for crying out loud, had a guy come in and tell me about how he used to "hack" some of the amiga computer systems, but then flipped and said, "oh but stuff has changed so much, I mean for example installing windows 7 on my computer was the hardest thing I have ever done!"
People would pay me for what I can do in 2 mins because it may take them 2 hours and they don't have the time or want the frustration...
just saying.
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I have yet to see these type of offers anywhere, I run my own small computer business as a side job. I don't make any money tho cuz most of my clients are family and friends so I don't charge them. I would charge to root someone's phone but only after explaining to them that it can be done for free on their own, but I'd end up donating it like one of the other posters.
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Look at Craigslist. There are plenty of ads.
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I thought about doing this part time for fun since I'm not working at the moment but don't really want to deal with other people's phones, especially if there are problems down the line.
I have donated to every developer whose work I use and will continue to do so. If I ever do take money to root a phone I like the idea of donating half of it to the developer of the ROM/root method.
Yea when i root someone's phone i usually put a new rom and delete all of the bloatware apps. Then just add some cool little things like a new keyboard. Most of the time tho they just want a new theme and free wifi tethering. Something else i'm learning to do is to root windows 7 phones. Has anyone had an experience with a windows phone yet?
I have had offers up to $100 for just root and tether. People are crazy............
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I was at the mall a few days ago and this shop was advertising a special to root/jailbreak iphones and android phones for 40 bucks, does anybody actually do this??
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yup, they do. i made thousands of dollars rooting phones over the summer when i was out of work. all i had to do was run a craigslist ad and charge $30 per phone. i did tons of evo's and hero's.
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yup, they do. i made thousands of dollars rooting phones over the summer when i was out of work. all i had to do was run a craigslist ad and charge $30 per phone. i did tons of evo's and hero's.
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Seriously? Wow....
okay guys, I so I've been arguing with my mom for weeks now about rooting my e4gt even though it already is ... but she constantly asks how I did something to my phone, change battery color, bootscreen, etc., and I can tell her I rooted my phone because she said she'll take it because rooting is illegal.
I told he rwhoever said this is stupid sprint can't make laws, but she's saying that it is against her contract rules she signed with sprint contract.. can anyone argue with this, I highly doubt that this is true..
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They will only terminate because of too much roaming and tethering ...ie downloading torrents or Xbox ps3 gaming .. go get sprint tos . According to dept of justice there is a exception in the digital millennium copyright law that allows for jailbreak and rooting.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/26/technology/iphone_jailbreaking/
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Nothing about rooting in the contract. Zero. Make her show you where it says that
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I work for Sprint, and there is nothing in the contract about what you do to your phone. As you said, there's nothing illegal (that would imply some sort of court action for doing it) but some Sprint techs will not work on a phone that is rooted.
Really the contract basically just says you will have service for the two years, if you cancel early, you pay a fee. The contract does not mention anything about the specific phone you have (i.e. whether it is an android or a blackberry, etc), does not mention what plan you have (because this can be changed at any time without a contract renewal.), and does not mention anything about modifying the software of your device. As mentioned above, if you over-use roaming, sprint may end your contract for you, but that is actually way more rare than people make it seem.
Also, arguing with the one that controls your cell service is not good advice. She has the ability to data and SMS restrict your phone, or suspend service on it altogether by just calling up customer service.
So, rather than telling her you rooted it, tell her you installed a Sprint ID. If she's smart enough to ask which one so you can install it on her phone, just root hers too.
If you check m+p they can't refuse to work on it because its rooted .
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If you check m+p they can't refuse to work on it because its rooted .
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I can check M&P all day long, but I know techs in the area that say that if there is a software issue with a rooted device, it has to be reverted back to stock before they will look at it. Hardware issues are a different story though.
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okay guys, I so I've been arguing with my mom for weeks now about rooting my e4gt even though it already is ... but she constantly asks how I did something to my phone, change battery color, bootscreen, etc., and I can tell her I rooted my phone because she said she'll take it because rooting is illegal.
I told he rwhoever said this is stupid sprint can't make laws, but she's saying that it is against her contract rules she signed with sprint contract.. can anyone argue with this, I highly doubt that this is true..
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First, I hope you've thanked your mom for getting you such a great phone and paying your bill.
Second, it's her account and her right to be concerned.
I've told my son for years (he's grown now) and tell my nieces often, it's all in how you present it. If you talk to your mom like she's an idiot, she's likely going to rebuff you and do as monkeyracer mentioned (turn off sms, disable service, etc). I would suggest you show her this forum so some of the informed posters can put her mind at ease.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20011661-38.html
Jailbreaking your iPhone or other mobile devices will no longer violate federal copyright law, thanks to a new ruling that updates the 1998 DMCA.
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Also, there are several one-click packages available that will literally restore the phone to the original factory condition with one click of a mouse.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383678
This One-Click ODIN contains the SHIPPED EG30 Modem, Kernel, and ROM which the E4GT was initially released with.
Being a Factory Reset, this WILL reset all your Android user data. If you'd prefer to keep your user data, use the NoData version.
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buy your own phone and brick it all day!
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I can check M&P all day long, but I know techs in the area that say that if there is a software issue with a rooted device, it has to be reverted back to stock before they will look at it. Hardware issues are a different story though.
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Those the same idiots that say installing a launcher can mess up your phone ..... sometimes when I need a good laugh instead of going to a comedy club I will go to sprint to listen to what the employees say ......that's funny
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Those the same idiots that say installing a launcher can mess up your phone ..... sometimes when I need a good laugh instead of going to a comedy club I will go to sprint to listen to what the employees say ......that's funny
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My wife and I went to the Sprint store to have her number changed and they said they couldn't do it because it was rooted and that alone would prevent them from changing the number. There are good and bad employees at every business but sometimes I wounder if certain ones missed the initial training courses. It's one thing to be say "I'm not sure" if they don't know what rooting actually does. It's another thing to say something so matter-of-fact as if they know what they're talking about.
Actually the terms of service were modified in the last year (I don't know exactly when it happened) to specify that rooting is grounds for terminating your service (prior to that it just said modifications)
I am surprised your mom actually read the tos, the reference is buried somewhere near the bottom 3rd iirc. Is she an attorney or engineer? Those are amongst the few catagories of people who imo might read the entire tos ahead of time, rather than after something happens that affects them.
Anyway, your response to her can be that
1) companies put terms in their contracts which are not enforceable all the time, either to socially engineer you away from some behavior, or set up some pretext to protect their interests in the future
2) no one afaik has ever posted that sprint has tried to use this clause in the tos to terminate service
I am on mobile right now so it isn't convenient to dig up the reference, but if someone is interested I can look it up. It is in the section which says if you are rude or abusive to an agent that is grounds (according to sprint) for termination of service.
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My wife and I went to the Sprint store to have her number changed and they said they couldn't do it because it was rooted and that alone would prevent them from changing the number. There are good and bad employees at every business but sometimes I wounder if certain ones missed the initial training courses. It's one thing to be say "I'm not sure" if they don't know what rooting actually does. It's another thing to say something so matter-of-fact as if they know what they're talking about.
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I so hate you for this comment I just busted out laughing at this.
Personally, I don't understand why carriers are even obssessed with controlling our phones. Some of us get the phone (no matter if it's android or iphone) because we are able to root and jailbreak it. If we wanted a basic phone we would get blackberrys. smh sorry for the rant I just feel like corporations seem to want to control the way a consumer should think and what to do with devices.
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Those the same idiots that say installing a launcher can mess up your phone ..... sometimes when I need a good laugh instead of going to a comedy club I will go to sprint to listen to what the employees say ......that's funny
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I'll have to try that..sounds like a fun time!!
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I so hate you for this comment I just busted out laughing at this.
Personally, I don't understand why carriers are even obssessed with controlling our phones. Some of us get the phone (no matter if it's android or iphone) because we are able to root and jailbreak it. If we wanted a basic phone we would get blackberrys. smh sorry for the rant I just feel like corporations seem to want to control the way a consumer should think and what to do with devices.
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I don't know why either. If you take a step back and look at the whole picture (government included), minus the genocide, they are modeling their practices after Hitler and many other tyrants of history. Absolute authority and control through trickery of words and the slow implementation of progressively stricter policies. And most eat it up thinking it's for their own good. That's my rant for the day
As far as this rooting issue. Sprint reserves the right to terminate a contract for ANY reason they think warrants it. So in that sense, rooting is no worse than making a phone call. Both could void your contract just the same. Is rooting illegal? It's about as illegal as using 'sudo' in Linux.
Rooting isn't simply gaining access to the naughty parts. It's literally becoming that device since your changing your UID to 0 - which is not a number. And I don't like being some number.
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Actually the terms of service were modified in the last year (I don't know exactly when it happened) to specify that rooting is grounds for terminating your service (prior to that it just said modifications)
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I just read through the Terms and Conditions among other documents, and there is nothing of the sort that I can locate.
Many people who claim to work for Sprint ahve stated that if your have the Equipment Service and Repair program on your account, they are required to work on the device, regardless of whether it has been rooted. If you break it to the point they cannot fix it, you may have to fall back on the Equipment Replacement Program or send it to Samsung.
Also, for Samsung's position, check my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1548588
Terms and Conditions: http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml
Privacy Policy: http://www.sprint.com/legal/privacy.html
Acceptable Use/Network Management: http://www.sprint.com/legal/agreement.html#neut
Surcharges, Taxes and Fees: http://support.sprint.com/support/a...d_other_charges/case-ib376964-20090810-135914
Equipment Service and Repair: http://shop.sprint.com/global/pdf/services_solutions/brochure_tep_esrp.pdf
Equipment Replacement: http://shop.sprint.com/global/pdf/services_solutions/brochure_tep_erp.pdf
Basically, you own your device, you can do what you want with it. Just don't expect Sprint to fix it for free if you break it.
Sprint doesn't care if you root as long as you bother them because of it.
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I just read through the Terms and Conditions among other documents, and there is nothing of the sort that I can locate.
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https://manage.sprintpcs.com/output/en_US/manage/MyPhoneandPlan/ChangePlans/popLegalTermsPrivacy.htm
Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false or inaccurate information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement and Policies; (g) breaching, failing to follow, or abusing the Agreement or Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated, or unverifiable identification or credit information or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications (for example, rooting the device); (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with our Services; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer’s interests, or our networks.
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As I mentioned above, it used to just say generic "modifying device" but some time in the past year, they specifically added the rooting clarification.
Also as I mentioned above, companies often put in terms that are not enforceable and also AFAIK, I have never seen someone posting they were terminated due to this term.
I won't argue the merits (or non-merits) of this clause, just pointing out that it does exist.
The techs I am talking about are very good, and they don't refuse to work on rooted phones, but with any software issue (including issues on non-rooted phones) they usually revert the phone back to stock (read: hard reset) so they can rule out external software as the cause of the issue. If the phone is rooted, factory reset is not going to bring it back to stock, and they are not going to unroot the phone for the customer, so what is the answer? The customer has to unroot the phone and bring it back in to be checked again.
BTW, if you have ESRP or TEP, there's no reason you would need to contact Samsung. Samsung is really only necessary for warranty stuff for those too cheap to get ESRP or TEP.
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My wife and I went to the Sprint store to have her number changed and they said they couldn't do it because it was rooted and that alone would prevent them from changing the number. There are good and bad employees at every business but sometimes I wounder if certain ones missed the initial training courses. It's one thing to be say "I'm not sure" if they don't know what rooting actually does. It's another thing to say something so matter-of-fact as if they know what they're talking about.
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I love it when people talk like they know stuff, just because they work somewhere. like baristas at starbucks talks as if they know all about coffees and etc. just like anther sprint worker, who told me galaxy nexus will work with sprint's current 4g(wimax) network.. just pure idiots.. i wish people were more humble.. yes there are ton of clueless customer, but just because you work at a place, that does not make you an encyclopedia of the items and service you offer. the knowledge of the items and service belongs to those who have actually spend some time researching..
Recently I saw that apps are now discriminating against root users(not allowing download/play). Do you think if apps would universally start doing this, would it cut down piracy or just push more root users to download illegally?
I for one believe it will have the latter effect, what do you guys think of this?
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I think if ppl would just stop acting so self-entitled, and stopped stealing ****, this would not even be an issue... Unfortunately - the world is full of idiots.. Only takes a few to ruin a good thing for all of us.
Dankest said:
Recently I saw that apps are now discriminating against root users(not allowing download/play). Do you think if apps would universally start doing this, would it cut down piracy or just push more root users to download illegally?
I for one believe it will have the latter effect, what do you guys think of this?
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So what are some example apps that are denying access if your phone is determined to be rooted? I've never run into one, and I can't imagine any popular app would resort to something so easily worked around.
(the workaround: temporarily move/rename the 'su' binary out of the PATH to "hide" it, since that's the method almost all apps would use to detect if you're rooted.)
To install a pirated app is allow unknown sources...anyone can do it, idk why they are discriminating....
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So what are some example apps that are denying access if your phone is determined to be rooted? I've never run into one, and I can't imagine any popular app would resort to something so easily worked around.
(the workaround: temporarily move/rename the 'su' binary out of the PATH to "hide" it, since that's the method almost all apps would use to detect if you're rooted.)
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Look up chaos rings by a little company called square enix. Looks like they are trying to crack down on app piracy(maybe Cuz of ff3 pirates?).
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I could care less about that kind of stuff if companies want to do that then they don't deserve my business or anybody else's business for that matter. Then just watch how fast the companies change their ways when nobody is buying their products
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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So ppl can afford $400 - $600 (retail) and $200-ish smartphones, $50 - $100 a month contracts... yet they can't afford a $0.99 app.... please... that's total bs.
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So ppl can afford $400 - $600 (retail) and $200-ish smartphones, $50 - $100 a month contracts... yet they can't afford a $0.99 app.... please... that's total bs.
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Well said... I set up my "online" credit card for Google Play at $100. Its been like over an year now, n I still have cash left in it... And not one pirated app on my phone. Most of the apps are like a $ or two... and they are more like 1 time buying with free updates for life (well, many of them).
All it takes is a $ or 2 for an you love... so what's the big deal when you are paying like $100 something each month to the cell phone service provider.
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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Think about what you just said.
"...stealing is justified because the person who wants to steal feels that they are unwilling to pay the cost for the item...there are many points of view..."
Yeah...and the entitlement mindset "you have something that I feel that I'm entitled to and I don't care if I do something that's wrong...all that matters is that I get it...."...that's a point of view.
I've never understood people who use this rationale....stealing is stealing no matter how you justify it to make yourself feel better while you are doing it.
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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What's the threshold for stealing? If it were only $50 then it wouldn't be ok? $25? If you can't afford a new car you couldn't just go steal one and have it be ok. And everyone knows "You wouldn't download a car."
If I don't want to pay what it's offered for then I just do without. People should look into dropping their entitlement complex.
On another note, I don't buy into the whole "It's not available in my locale" argument. Maybe I just don't fully understand it being in the US. I've seen many ways to fool your phone/the market to seeing a new locale (for free), and most apps I've ever bought have a direct buy version anyway.
Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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Really?
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Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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If the app isn't offered for free by the developer and you obtain a copy without paying then you're stealing. If you want a warm fuzzy because you're stealing something that can be copied then go ahead and tell yourself that. You are still taking money out of the dev's pocket through theft.
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If the app isn't offered for free by the developer and you obtain a copy without paying then you're stealing. If you want a warm fuzzy because you're stealing something that can be copied then go ahead and tell yourself that. You are still taking money out of the dev's pocket through theft.
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This argument only stands if you intended to buy the app in the first place and if there weren't so many cases in which piracy increased sales rather than decreased them.
Of course, the opposite is true as well. There are a number of games out there where it was simply more prudent to pirate the game if you wanted to, you know, play it whenever you wanted (Cough, Ubisoft games, cough).
I understand that some people are morally outraged by piracy... but much like so many other things in life, not everyone is. I used to pirate like nobodies business.. but now that I make more money, I typically only pirate the game if I am unsure about it and it doesn't have a demo. If I like it, I go buy it. If not, I get rid of it. I also typically pirate games that have an obscenely restrictive DRM embedded... not because I want to play it but just because screw those guys for putting it in there. DRM increases piracy, not hinders it.
However, copyright infringement is not theft. It is not stealing. Nothing is removed from anywhere. No money is removed from the dev's pockets because it was never there in the first place. If the item couldn't be pirated, that person wouldn't magically have more money because a whole lot of the people that pirate do it because they can't afford it in the first place.
Not to mention, there are companies who don't consider piracy a bad thing: http://www.gamespot.com/news/angry-birds-dev-says-piracy-may-not-be-a-bad-thing-6349485
Not to mention all of these industries who are trying to fight piracy so hard are doing it in the utterly wrong way. People pirate movies? Ok, rather than make movies easy to obtain online and permanently owned just like a dvd copy... they make it abnormally difficult, with higher prices and restrictive licensing and DRM. They make movie ticket prices skyrocket. In short, they make it annoying as all hell to acquire a legitimate digital copy. On the flipside, you can go to google, type in the name of a movie (Say... I dunno, The Avengers), pull up a torrent site, hit download and bam, you now have a digital copy without drm you own.
Music is much the same way, though it is improving. It isn't a whole lot better but I have forsaken pirating music and simply listen to Pandora or Spotify.
TV shows are in the same bracket as movies. It would be so simply to, the night of or the day after showing a new episode, put it up for sale for a dollar or two for people to buy and own. Make it quick, cheap and simple and people will FLOCK to it. But they don't. So everyone just goes and watches Hulu or pirates it.
Games are a more unique sector. They have numerous methods of easily obtaining the games but these methods are getting more restrictive, with licensing and "If you piss us off, you lose everything you bought from us" rules. Origin does this, Steam... yeah, not a very good thing. Why spend all that time worrying about that if you only play single player? Just go pirate it, then nobody can take it from you, right? So we have easy methods of quickly obtaining games, but they keep adding on to their list of rules and restrictions. Steam is the best of the bunch and even they will remove all access to the hundreds to thousands of dollars of games you spent if you break a rule. Even they don't allow anything but arbitration suits. You know the times that most games make the largest amount of sales and profit on Steam? During the Summer Sale and Winter Sale. Dev's love those sales because sales skyrocket to the moon and beyond. Their profit skyrockets for a few weeks. These sales make it obvious what the problem is for a lot of people... money. Is it worth the money? Yeah... less games are these days than ever. Yay, $64.94 after tax for a new game... with 4 hours of gameplay! Awesome, I totally feel that was worth my money! I am definitely going to go buy Gears of War 2 now for another 4 hours of fun!
Is piracy wrong? According to society, yes. Is it even remotely as harmful as the corporations play it out to be? Not hardly.
Forbes:
"This is a negotiation where at any time, your customer could just go download the damn movie for free, and they’re doing you a favor by even considering picking it up legally. And you have the nerve to think it’s on YOUR terms? That’s not how negotiation works. It may not be right, but it’s reality, and they have to face it.
Yet movie companies threaten to put Netflix out of business by charging them huge amounts of money to have access to their content. Netflix is in the forefront of the war on piracy, and the studios don’t even seem to understand it. It’s incredible."
Nick D said:
And everyone knows "You wouldn't download a car."
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Yes. Yes I would. If I could, I most certainly would.
Everything in the world should be open source. Open source coding languages are being used to code these apps. For the most part. So why is it right for someone to charge money for something they built using free software? If I were a dev, I'd open up all my code to the community so we can all improve upon it.
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I used to pirate apps...when i was a dumb teenager with little money. Now, i buy ALL my apps, how hard is it to pay 0.99$ for most apps, or even 5$ for the most premium, you not only get regular updates and you also say thank you to the guy that spent time and money to bring you something cool. If people were not so lazy or had higher goals in life than working for a fast food or grocery store, maybe they'd didn't care to pay that little price. The only thing i still pirate is movies, and it's strictly for convenience because here in Canada, our Netflix sucks pretty bad, our video store rent movies for 1/4 of the price of buying it new, and i live a good 30 minutes away from the closest video store. So i have no choice to download if i want to see a movie. But i regularly go to the theaters.
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I used to pirate apps...when i was a dumb teenager with little money. Now, i buy ALL my apps, how hard is it to pay 0.99$ for most apps, or even 5$ for the most premium, you not only get regular updates and you also say thank you to the guy that spent time and money to bring you something cool. If people were not so lazy or had higher goals in life than working for a fast food or grocery store, maybe they'd didn't care to pay that little price. The only thing i still pirate is movies, and it's strictly for convenience because here in Canada, our Netflix sucks pretty bad, our video store rent movies for 1/4 of the price of buying it new, and i live a good 30 minutes away from the closest video store. So i have no choice to download if i want to see a movie. But i regularly go to the theaters.
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You just said pirating is for dumb, broke teenagers. Yet, you pirate movies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether you pirate a 99 cent app, or a $40 bluray, you're still a pirate.
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bootloopz said:
You just said pirating is for dumb, broke teenagers. Yet, you pirate movies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether you pirate a 99 cent app, or a $40 bluray, you're still a pirate.
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I believe that he is saying that he would buy the movies if it wasn't such an inconvenience where he lives.
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So I have a couple general questions I wanted to get your guys take on.
Why does Verizon choose to have there phones locked down? The HTC One in particular but generally as well. Is it a method of preserving/increasing profit? Perceived threat to their network? Something else?
A follow up question which depends on how you feel about the first question. Are Verizon's reasons for locking down phones justified? Do you feel they have a right to do this? If you were a strictly moral person, do you have any dilemmas about this?
PS As a side note, I love having my phones unlocked with custom roms, and I am looking forward to getting my sonic S-Off back.
beardedYoga said:
So I have a couple general questions I wanted to get your guys take on.
Why does Verizon choose to have there phones locked down? The HTC One in particular but generally as well. Is it a method of preserving/increasing profit? Perceived threat to their network? Something else?
A follow up question which depends on how you feel about the first question. Are Verizon's reasons for locking down phones justified? Do you feel they have a right to do this? If you were a strictly moral person, do you have any dilemmas about this?
PS As a side note, I love having my phones unlocked with custom roms, and I am looking forward to getting my sonic S-Off back.
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People screwing up their phones by crack flashing, and returning them to verizon for warranty when bricked.
Control of tethering.
Yeah, they say it's for the reasons above.
But given that, to begin with, the rooting community is a tiny slice of all mobile phone users, and then Verizon users are an even smaller portion of that. So I don't see why they even care. I highly doubt that even if ever single Verizon customer who does rooting messed up their expensive device it would cost Verizon more than .01% of their revenue, if even that.
It's all about quality control. Even if it is the fact that the vast minority root their phones, it's the minority of users who generate the majority of complaints (and that rule extends FAR beyond cell phone rooting, or cell phones in general). It takes 10 good comments to make up for one bad comment these days, and there just aren't enough good comments to go around.
How likely is it, if your unrooted phone has no physical damage that you'll suddenly find that it isn't booting up? How likely is it that, even if you don't want to do it, factory resetting your unrooted phone will fix whatever problem you're having?
Big Red's reputation, their entire brand, is built on reliability. NOT freedom.
beardedYoga said:
So I have a couple general questions I wanted to get your guys take on.
Why does Verizon choose to have there phones locked down? The HTC One in particular but generally as well. Is it a method of preserving/increasing profit? Perceived threat to their network? Something else?
A follow up question which depends on how you feel about the first question. Are Verizon's reasons for locking down phones justified? Do you feel they have a right to do this? If you were a strictly moral person, do you have any dilemmas about this?
PS As a side note, I love having my phones unlocked with custom roms, and I am looking forward to getting my sonic S-Off back.
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Hey guys feel free to elaborate as much as possible. I'm writing a term paper on unlocking bootloaders/s-off, legalities on our part and Verizon, security risk for us/Carrier, risks taken by us/Verizon, etc.. It's for a Information Security Course. I'll be creating a thread at some point but this is a good start for some sources!
Another point would be that Verizon tries to cater to business/enterprise customers so allowing bootloader unlocking could pose a giant security flaw on devices that have classified data and are meant to be secure
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I think it's far less about tethering for free. They fixed that with getting rid of unlimited data. They saw they can make more money on teired data plans with coverages. Plus I am amazed at how many people on here has given up on their unlimited data plans just to get a subsidized phone.
Locked down phones is for more like people who roots and doesn't know what they are doing so they brick their phones and Verizon takes a hit having to replace it under warranty. Plus the security reasons companies are looking for. They don't want a phone that could be hacked in to giving away possible secret info. Last but not least is to keep people from taking their phones and flashing it to another carrier as we seen a few people has done on here and other forums. It's money they are not receiving and they want to put a stop to it.
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I think they do it for tethering. Although you can use foxfi, root tethering is not stoppable unless verizon uses packet sniffing but even so, unlimited data is unlimited data. They also do it for security reasons as unlocking a corporate phone can be bad.
I will admit, I skimmed all posts and see that most everyone has bought into what they want us to believe.
If it is to prevent unwanted warranty claims, then why would they not allow us to willingly void our warranty via HTCdev when we click the box that says so?
Rather then resort to undocumented or traceable ways of doing so in which case they are stuck with more returns for soft bricks, etc,..and are stuck accepting them because they chose to not take the easy way and let us void our warranty to begin with.
I just think all that warranty replacement crap is a bunch of nonsense and can't be their main incentive.
If it is, then they have their heads buried deeper then I thought and need to realize what I just stated above...
A really good friend of mine has been a tech with sprint for nearly a decade. From what he has told me, about 27 of 100 phones they can't fix are due to installing non official software. While that's not the highest percentage with damage as the worst, it still is very costly for them to replace. Most of the guys he works with can tell if a phone has been "tampered" with. Even with such things as triangle away with the Samsung lines, they still can find out. Having a locked boot loader on this phone is just one way of attempting to slow the numbers.
As he would put it, most people who do try flashing and other modification methods have very little experience with the phones and their inner workings. A lot of these people end up bricking their phones and try turning them in for insurance claims or warranty which he deals with. He actually saved me some coin by getting me a screen for one of my s2's from a completely fried emmc that he says someone tried a bad flash with.
But yeah, keeping the people like that out of the phones is one of the major reasons as it can become costly to them... I call bs though, considering the amount of profit they actually make on each one of our accounts.
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You are exactly right.
To be honest, there isn't much of a business case for a carrier, when serving as the reseller of a phone, to offer the freedom of an unlocked boot loader. The savvy of the general populace hasn't yet reached the point where the downside is offset by a marketable upside. Hell, most folks still **** around happily with iPhones which lack any freedom whatsoever.
TidusWulf said:
It's all about quality control. Even if it is the fact that the vast minority root their phones, it's the minority of users who generate the majority of complaints (and that rule extends FAR beyond cell phone rooting, or cell phones in general). It takes 10 good comments to make up for one bad comment these days, and there just aren't enough good comments to go around.
How likely is it, if your unrooted phone has no physical damage that you'll suddenly find that it isn't booting up? How likely is it that, even if you don't want to do it, factory resetting your unrooted phone will fix whatever problem you're having?
Big Red's reputation, their entire brand, is built on reliability. NOT freedom.
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We can speculate all we want here. Verizon says they lock phones because it's better for the network.
http://bgr.com/2012/03/02/verizon-explains-locked-bootloader-stance-in-letter-to-fcc/
Whether or not anyone chooses to believe that is a matter of opinion, but this is pretty much as close to an answer from Verizon that we'll ever get.
Sent from my HTC One.
Very enlightening.
To comment on wanting the phones to be secure for corporate security... wouldn't the amazing track record of dev's who contribute here and other places sort of fly right in the face of that.
It seems that every single device that gains enough users has some kind of workaround or vulnerability to allow it to be unlocked. If the corporate world was worried about it, all they are doing is showing just how unable to lock it down the manufactures and carriers are.
Blah, blah, blah.... the network. that is just their excuse. They used it with the FTC to get by with rate limiting the LTE network. Some lame a$$ excuse about the CDMA legacy junk. Don't get me wrong I am sure that the old CDMA stuff may make the network less predictable, but not less stable. It is all about money, and VZW is the 800 pound gorilla that get to control what we have to deal with. Thank goodness we have talented and dedicated developers that almost always get around the blockades these fools put in place.
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From what I was told over at elevate, the biggest problem they don't want to expierence again is our phones not being able to dial to the correct 911 dispatch. There apparently was an incident where a rooting user had a modified dialer apk that didn't allow him dial to the correct dispatch. In an emergency for Verizon that is worse case scenario. Then there's a lawsuit that might be filed to both HTC and Verizon.
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Yeah, they say it's for the reasons above.
But given that, to begin with, the rooting community is a tiny slice of all mobile phone users, and then Verizon users are an even smaller portion of that. So I don't see why they even care. I highly doubt that even if ever single Verizon customer who does rooting messed up their expensive device it would cost Verizon more than .01% of their revenue, if even that.
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Gotta disagree. When you see people in this forum bragging about getting seven replacements, it does add up.
And it really is a PITA to figure out if it was user error or something wrong with the phone. It's all about risk mgmt
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I've been been on android since the g1 days, got every new android phone that everyone said was great. I had the first galaxy phone, the original nexus 1, the nexus 5, the htc one, the oneplus 3t, even note phones. Today I decided to leave this inferior product behind. How delusional have I been saying android is better all this time. Here's the thing, iPhone works. I can no longer connect to WiFi networks anymore because of some security update. I am still pissed I paid for a camera I can't use. I'm tired of missing calls because this phone decides to put itself on do not disturb. The final straw that broke the camels back is location settings and privacy. Apple decided to let people protect their privacy, google is actively trying to stop people from protecting their privacy. Take for example find my phone which is useless now unless you have location turned on at all times. WHY......? I am able to turn on location remotely on Samsung phones but here is google blocking your from doing it. If you loose your phone your freaked unless you let google know exactly where you are 24 hours a day. Forget GOOGLE, Forget ANDROID, Forget ONEPLUS!
{Mod edit: Title and OP adjusted to comply with rule no. 2 - Oswald Boelcke)
tommynosedigger said:
I've been been on android since the g1 days, got every new android phone that everyone said was great. I had the first galaxy phone, the original nexus 1, the nexus 5, the htc one, the oneplus 3t, even note phones. Today I decided to leave this inferior product behind. How delusional have I been saying android is better all this time. Here's the thing, iPhone works. I can no longer connect to WiFi networks anymore because of some security update. I am still pissed I paid for a camera I can't use. I'm tired of missing calls because this phone decides to put itself on do not disturb. The final straw that broke the camels back is location settings and privacy. Apple decided to let people protect their privacy, google is actively trying to stop people from protecting their privacy. Take for example find my phone which is useless now unless you have location turned on at all times. WHY......? I am able to turn on location remotely on Samsung phones but here is google blocking your from doing it. If you loose your phone your freaked unless you let google know exactly where you are 24 hours a day. Forget GOOGLE, Forget ANDROID, Forget ONEPLUS!
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Um wtf, what the heck is wrong lool.
Technically if I hacked your google account, I know is where you are.
So that might be good.
Otherwise of location, you can disable every app instead of the system applications related to find my phone.
I use an iPhone and I can say I support the only use location while using the app and such features.
But apple fracks up in regards to downloading stuff and is more restrictive than android.
Plus my iPhone apps are all 110 mb lmao, my mobile data will finish soon if I download anything.
NOT TO MENTION THE 1GB CACHE in a single APP THAT TAKES UP MY PHONE STORAGE IN AN APP, for 0 reasons idk why there's that much cache.
THANK GOD I BOUGHT THE 128GB VARIANT.
I've used iPhones. I never liked them even though they "work".
Huh.
So does my 10+ and it's drop dead gorgeous. Looking exactly like I want it too.
A steeper learning curve but with many more options. I would have paid $400 more for 512gb of iPhone memory and not had the additional 1tb expansion capacity. All my PCs are dual drive or higher with 1GB of storage or more.
My favorite one fits in my hand...
Note: iPhone maps work so much better than Gmaps, other than that... I'm not impressed.
Lol, Gmaps suck, always have.
Just because you can't configure your Android in a way you're happy with doesn't mean the alternative is better in every way. Particularly, I don't like your attitude about the location tracking, like Apple is actually better, well I'm here to tell you they're not. Have you heard of Wi-Fi scanning? It allows Wi-Fi networks to track your location more accurately than GPS quite often because of Wi-Fi triangulation. And you can't turn that off on iPhone, even when you turn Wi-Fi off, your phone is triangulating Wi-Fi letting Apple always know your location, and on addition, Google because most of those routers report WiFi info to Google.
If you want a privacy respecting location tracking tool, like the Find My apps, you shouldn't be relying on your OEM anyways, whether it be Google or Apple or Samsung.
As someone who's used both platforms, I wouldn't blame you if you use an iPhone and like the usability more, but your rage induced reasoning here doesn't seem all that informed or thought out.
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Just because you can't configure your Android in a way you're happy with doesn't mean the alternative is better in every way. Particularly, I don't like your attitude about the location tracking, like Apple is actually better, well I'm here to tell you they're not. Have you heard of Wi-Fi scanning? It allows Wi-Fi networks to track your location more accurately than GPS quite often because of Wi-Fi triangulation. And you can't turn that off on iPhone, even when you turn Wi-Fi off, your phone is triangulating Wi-Fi letting Apple always know your location, and on addition, Google because most of those routers report WiFi info to Google.
If you want a privacy respecting location tracking tool, like the Find My apps, you shouldn't be relying on your OEM anyways, whether it be Google or Apple or Samsung.
As someone who's used both platforms, I wouldn't blame you if you use an iPhone and like the usability more, but your rage induced reasoning here doesn't seem all that informed or thought out.
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Well, Seconding this post. I agree, in my latent opinion it is clear that both platforms have pros and cons respectively.
The iPhone settings are a mess... they give me a headache. Way too dumbed down.
Plus I doubt there's a package disabler that works on a stock iPhone
Just stuck with what and how they give it to you.
No.
Problem you have is you literally cannot do anything with an iPhone.
Least with Android you can root and make changes.
This is no longer an option for you, not only that but if you do get the latest and greatest then you'll be paying the highest possible premium in the world for it.
Sorry but apple just do not tick anywhere close to every box, they can't due to their ecosystem.
Then there's the emulators, root tools, mods, ability to freely copy things to and from your device, I can send an entire folder structure over android beam, my choice, my way.
Sure Google has got a little Adolf Hitler over these last few years, but apple is the bloody antichrist in comparison.
More to that point, you will not be ruling in hell. You'll be more of a slave to apple than you ever were to android.
And as a g1 user, I think you should be ashamed of yourself if you can't understand the benefits of android over apple, yes they're a little cleaner and a little shinier, but the benefits are superficial and skin deep.
If you have an issue, let us know, we'll try to help.
If you are the issue then perhaps being a slave to apple will suit you.
Either way, ranting with no point to make is not the way I would have went.
dladz said:
Problem you have is you literally cannot do anything with an iPhone.
Least with Android you can root and make changes.
This is no longer an option for you, not only that but if you do get the latest and greatest then you'll be paying the highest possible premium in the world for it.
Sorry but apple just do not tick anywhere close to every box, they can't due to their ecosystem.
Then there's the emulators, root tools, mods, ability to freely copy things to and from your device, I can send an entire folder structure over android beam, my choice, my way.
Sure Google has got a little Adolf Hitler over these last few years, but apple is the bloody antichrist in comparison.
More to that point, you will not be ruling in hell. You'll be more of a slave to apple than you ever were to android.
And as a g1 user, I think you should be ashamed of yourself if you can't understand the benefits of android over apple, yes they're a little cleaner and a little shinier, but the benefits are superficial and skin deep.
If you have an issue, let us know, we'll try to help.
If you are the issue then perhaps being a slave to apple will suit you.
Either way, ranting with no point to make is not the way I would have went.
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search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
da4vidpl said:
search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
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Probably no jailebreak for newer ios
MariusKv said:
nie ma jailebreak dla nowszych ios
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Ios 14.5, 14.6
da4vidpl said:
search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
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Please elaborate.
You're wrong, you couldn't be more wrong, but again please try to elaborate.
Understand this, iOS is closed source, Android is not..
Source is released.
Plus if you jailbreak you aren't hiding it, lots of apps will fail, more so than Android
And you can do more? Lol. Talk to me
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Um wtf, what the heck is wrong lool.
Technically if I hacked your google account, I know is where you are.
So that might be good.
Otherwise of location, you can disable every app instead of the system applications related to find my phone.
I use an iPhone and I can say I support the only use location while using the app and such features.
But apple fracks up in regards to downloading stuff and is more restrictive than android.
Plus my iPhone apps are all 110 mb lmao, my mobile data will finish soon if I download anything.
NOT TO MENTION THE 1GB CACHE in a single APP THAT TAKES UP MY PHONE STORAGE IN AN APP, for 0 reasons idk why there's that much cache.
THANK GOD I BOUGHT THE 128GB VARIANT.
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Well that's what 2 factor authentication is for. I have had that active for years. Whats the point of disabling access to other applications when applications can just keep tabs on other applications. How about battery life? This has irked me ever since android removed the option to turn off GPS and leave location on. They obviously did it for a reason, to get more accurate information about you. BTW it has been reported that google actively tries to bury and confuse users about its location settings. I'm not worried about my data, plan I don't pay it, but if I did what good does it do me since I can't connect to any enterprise wifi. I spend half of my day at work unable to connect to WiFi an relying solely on data.
blackhawk said:
I've used iPhones. I never liked them even though they "work".
Huh.
So does my 10+ and it's drop dead gorgeous. Looking exactly like I want it too.
A steeper learning curve but with many more options. I would have paid $400 more for 512gb of iPhone memory and not had the additional 1tb expansion capacity. All my PCs are dual drive or higher with 1GB of storage or more.
My favorite one fits in my hand...
Note: iPhone maps work so much better than Gmaps, other than that... I'm not impressed.
Lol, Gmaps suck, always have.
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I gave up on Samsung too, I hate their update lottery. My favorite computer is also my phone that's why wifi is important to me. I used to print documents straight from my phone at work because it is faster. I can't do that anymore. Unless I downgrade to a more unsecure version of android. Whats the point of security updates if I have to downgrade making my phone more vounarable just to get basic functionality back.
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Just because you can't configure your Android in a way you're happy with doesn't mean the alternative is better in every way. Particularly, I don't like your attitude about the location tracking, like Apple is actually better, well I'm here to tell you they're not. Have you heard of Wi-Fi scanning? It allows Wi-Fi networks to track your location more accurately than GPS quite often because of Wi-Fi triangulation. And you can't turn that off on iPhone, even when you turn Wi-Fi off, your phone is triangulating Wi-Fi letting Apple always know your location, and on addition, Google because most of those routers report WiFi info to Google.
If you want a privacy respecting location tracking tool, like the Find My apps, you shouldn't be relying on your OEM anyways, whether it be Google or Apple or Samsung.
As someone who's used both platforms, I wouldn't blame you if you use an iPhone and like the usability more, but your rage induced reasoning here doesn't seem all that informed or thought out.
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Lets assume I'm not a noob......... Let's assume I can actually configure phones to my liking like I have been doing so since the very first android came out. Lets assume I have been here for the whole ride since cyanogenmod. Configuration is not the issue. I would not care if it was just google tracking me. I can disable location history but that's not the issue here. Your making this issue about one thing. Read my post its an aggregate of things. Again this is basic functionality. Sony got sued for removing the ability to load linux to its system, here is oneplus completely dissabling and rendering useless something they charged money for.
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search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
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It's a joke isn't it ?
Each Jailbreak depend a hack / breach, so each time you must wait for a jalbreak for a new iOS version or iOS fixed version (Apple block each time Jailbreak on new version). Above all even with Jailbreak there a lot of things not availbable on iOS, and the first reason is now all iOS users don't care Jailbreak... They want the lastest iOS version without headache.
For Android, Root is for a lot of OEM granted/allowed (OnePlus, Xiaomi, OPPO, Vivo, etc...) and don't void warranty, only Desimlock tools / Changing IMEI void warranty.
This OEM share their model kernel source and root can be granted by simply patching boot and/or using a custom recovery like TWRP.
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The iPhone settings are a mess... they give me a headache. Way too dumbed down.
Plus I doubt there's a package disabler that works on a stock iPhone
Just stuck with what and how they give it to you.
No.
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Well were often stuck with what android gives us. Like updates, my sons g6 never got one. You complain that your stuck with what they give you but you are content with the mess android is accross its many vendors. It's been 13 years since android came out and every year a new plan to make updating easier. Remember project treble? All failed promises.
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I gave up on Samsung too, I hate their update lottery. My favorite computer is also my phone that's why wifi is important to me. I used to print documents straight from my phone at work because it is faster. I can't do that anymore. Unless I downgrade to a more unsecure version of android. Whats the point of security updates if I have to downgrade making my phone more vounarable just to get basic functionality back.
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The security hype is just that. My 10+ Pie does fine in the real world. Same firmware/updates for the last 1.5 years.
Your mistake was updating.
I picked off a trojan preloader and a malware jpeg over a year ago, no damage.
That same malware likely breach the latest updated Pixel just as easily. In the last year zero breaches.
A phone is only as secure as the person who operates it. I don't use wifi and limit bt use in high usage areas because vulnerabilities in this OS... which also have never nailed me. Regardless all my data is redundantly safeguarded and a complete reload takes me about 2 hours with no internet because I have a SD card/data drive*. So even if I get nailed it's not going to eat too much time. I'm readily to reload *now* if need be.
*if that's compromised add another 5-6 hours to the reload time. Still no critital data loss.
dladz said:
Problem you have is you literally cannot do anything with an iPhone.
Least with Android you can root and make changes.
This is no longer an option for you, not only that but if you do get the latest and greatest then you'll be paying the highest possible premium in the world for it.
Sorry but apple just do not tick anywhere close to every box, they can't due to their ecosystem.
Then there's the emulators, root tools, mods, ability to freely copy things to and from your device, I can send an entire folder structure over android beam, my choice, my way.
Sure Google has got a little Adolf Hitler over these last few years, but apple is the bloody antichrist in comparison.
More to that point, you will not be ruling in hell. You'll be more of a slave to apple than you ever were to android.
And as a g1 user, I think you should be ashamed of yourself if you can't understand the benefits of android over apple, yes they're a little cleaner and a little shinier, but the benefits are superficial and skin deep.
If you have an issue, let us know, we'll try to help.
If you are the issue then perhaps being a slave to apple will suit you.
Either way, ranting with no point to make is not the way I would have went.
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I should be ashamed of myself? LMAO I have 0 brand or platform loyalty. Go look at my last posts on roms, questions go unanswered for weeks. Good to know I have to root my phone just to make it functional because that's what we have all been doing all this time. You act like its a feature instead of a coping mechanism. Slave to apple lmao a little dramatic no.......? Lets get something straight I am not a fanboy. The minute I get tired of apple ill drop them too. I am just tired of all this shenanigans I am well aware of all of apples limitations. Theres is plenty I am giving up here I understand that better than anyone but I would like to have basic abilty of having my phone (its primary purpose) ring. I'm not the only one having this issue dont act like I am in a bubble.
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I should be ashamed of myself? LMAO I have 0 brand or platform loyalty. Go look at my last posts on roms, questions go unanswered for weeks. Good to know I have to root my phone just to make it functional because that's what we have all been doing all this time. You act like its a feature instead of a coping mechanism. Slave to apple lmao a little dramatic no.......? Lets get something straight I am not a fanboy. The minute I get tired of apple ill drop them too. I am just tired of all this shenanigans I am well aware of all of apples limitations. Theres is plenty I am giving up here I understand that better than anyone but I would like to have basic abilty of having my phone (its primary purpose) ring. I'm not the only one having this issue dont act like I am in a bubble.
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Your questions go unanswered? Oh wow so you're a needy, spoilt child? You sound like you've never worked for anything in their life!
Your questions go unanswered????
Get a grip on your life son. The last question I put in the 8 Pro forum went unanswered, why? Cos probably it's a difficult question to answer, or someone didn't want to say what they thought cos they felt ashamed! Or they just didn't have the confidence to say what they feel.
Either way you're dropping a brand, a phone and a company cos you were impatient??
Since the G1 days??
I'm from the G1 days yes I was there on day zero and again with the hero, then the desire HD and the one.
I've never seen a guide from you. Or a tool or a helping hand..
You're a spoilt child, you want it all yesterday, you're willing to give nothing! The Devs on Android have given "years!!!!" Not days or weeks, and now decades, so what? Can moan?? Zero contribution and maximum take!!!
I'm not the matter of coding but I've made it my business to contribute, you've done nothing and took everything, whilst being super ungrateful!!!
You take and you take, it's quite obvious.
Now you're throwing your rattle out your pram..
Please, go chill with apple, we as a community have lost nothing but a leech.
Apple has added a volume to its plethora of bots.
I'm sure you'll be happy.
The completely wrong choice but hey, when you know you know right?
PS:. I'm 99% confident I could have fixed all of your issues either in person or remotely, but you'd have to give me a Charlize Theron massage to get be to help you now, you've made me revert so slightly ill
And I would have, for zero cash, just to help you, just to make sure you're ok!??
Good luck finding these types of guys with apple, lol never!!
Lol.
I'm fine with your thread, it's weak.
I was nice to you and all you could take away was me saying ashamed!
( Your do realise I said that for a reason right?)
Guess not.
Bye bye, enjoy your £1800 2015 phone with less memory than you need and more optimization than you can use.
Any more bad vibes, please message me directly I do not want to annoy XDA mods.
I know you're so wrong, thing is so do you!!
You just have no imagination, and you've either Bennett been able to delve down deep enough to explain an issue or you're lazy!!!
IPhones stand alone with certain tasks, but they're left behind with most things.
Do these things
1. Send me a Bluetooth file
2. Send me a folder from your phone
3. Send me a movie stored on your device
4. Fire up an emulator
5. Use your phone as a pc
6 Overclock your CPU and GPU
7. Turn off your page file, zram, swap file
8. Kill people off the WiFi you're connected to!!
9. Download and keep Adobe lightroom for free!!!! (Lol with apple??? Hahaha nope)
10. Beat my all time SOT legend score.
11. Huawei P20 Pro - 2 days- 17 hours 37 minute's in one charge.
12. Use two SIM's one phone!
13. Install a third party application within 1 minute of opening your phone's box
14. Copy all your unofficial (now lost) music from your phone to a blank external drive.
15. Try to get help on XDA for your phone!
16. Move the clock
17. Make the phone louder
18. Connect to an android watch
19. Share screen on an average Android box
20. Let me mod and use your phone as a microphone which can broadcast everything round it!!
The answer is no, and if it's no today then jailbreak wise it may be no tomorrow.
Where Android make the door wider, apple tries to close it.
Apple people are just horrific, self righteous, loathes who usually would just pay a bill blindly than check and then pay.
Tbh the way you've reacted you pay for the bill.
This is my last message on this thread to you. You're either too short sighted to see my point or too too proud to accept the help you've been offered, you have a OnePlus phone. I could turn that I to a beast!! Truly.
Btw my friend boarded a private jet and his iPhones glass over the camera cracked on the table in front of him.
Apple told him he did it, no warranty.
Bruce Willis in his peak - "if I die can I pay my music and movie collection to my daughter?"
Apple: - "no you cannot!"
Good luck lad.
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I should be ashamed of myself? LMAO I have 0 brand or platform loyalty. Go look at my last posts on roms, questions go unanswered for weeks. Good to know I have to root my phone just to make it functional because that's what we have all been doing all this time. You act like its a feature instead of a coping mechanism. Slave to apple lmao a little dramatic no.......? Lets get something straight I am not a fanboy. The minute I get tired of apple ill drop them too. I am just tired of all this shenanigans I am well aware of all of apples limitations. Theres is plenty I am giving up here I understand that better than anyone but I would like to have basic abilty of having my phone (its primary purpose) ring. I'm not the only one having this issue dont act like I am in a bubble.
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Seems about the same as fidgeting; it wastes time jumping from one platform to another if not needed.
Easiest fix would be to flash back to the firmware that was working for you. When Samsung or Google drop the ball (and they frequently do) don't pick it up, instead use the one you got your hands on.
I will likely will be using Pie for years to come as Android 11 is flat spinning in at a higher sink rate than 10 and accelerating. A10 was the last usable Android OS and it has some real nasty usability issues that Pie doesn't have.
For what? To emulate Apple? Idiots.
That rotten OS put more challenges on Samsung's plate to try to make it usable but Sammy can only do so much with rancid base code.
It actually Samsung you should be addressing... they take criticism really well especially the SK reps