Recently I saw that apps are now discriminating against root users(not allowing download/play). Do you think if apps would universally start doing this, would it cut down piracy or just push more root users to download illegally?
I for one believe it will have the latter effect, what do you guys think of this?
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I think if ppl would just stop acting so self-entitled, and stopped stealing ****, this would not even be an issue... Unfortunately - the world is full of idiots.. Only takes a few to ruin a good thing for all of us.
Dankest said:
Recently I saw that apps are now discriminating against root users(not allowing download/play). Do you think if apps would universally start doing this, would it cut down piracy or just push more root users to download illegally?
I for one believe it will have the latter effect, what do you guys think of this?
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So what are some example apps that are denying access if your phone is determined to be rooted? I've never run into one, and I can't imagine any popular app would resort to something so easily worked around.
(the workaround: temporarily move/rename the 'su' binary out of the PATH to "hide" it, since that's the method almost all apps would use to detect if you're rooted.)
To install a pirated app is allow unknown sources...anyone can do it, idk why they are discriminating....
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So what are some example apps that are denying access if your phone is determined to be rooted? I've never run into one, and I can't imagine any popular app would resort to something so easily worked around.
(the workaround: temporarily move/rename the 'su' binary out of the PATH to "hide" it, since that's the method almost all apps would use to detect if you're rooted.)
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Look up chaos rings by a little company called square enix. Looks like they are trying to crack down on app piracy(maybe Cuz of ff3 pirates?).
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I could care less about that kind of stuff if companies want to do that then they don't deserve my business or anybody else's business for that matter. Then just watch how fast the companies change their ways when nobody is buying their products
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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So ppl can afford $400 - $600 (retail) and $200-ish smartphones, $50 - $100 a month contracts... yet they can't afford a $0.99 app.... please... that's total bs.
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So ppl can afford $400 - $600 (retail) and $200-ish smartphones, $50 - $100 a month contracts... yet they can't afford a $0.99 app.... please... that's total bs.
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Well said... I set up my "online" credit card for Google Play at $100. Its been like over an year now, n I still have cash left in it... And not one pirated app on my phone. Most of the apps are like a $ or two... and they are more like 1 time buying with free updates for life (well, many of them).
All it takes is a $ or 2 for an you love... so what's the big deal when you are paying like $100 something each month to the cell phone service provider.
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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Think about what you just said.
"...stealing is justified because the person who wants to steal feels that they are unwilling to pay the cost for the item...there are many points of view..."
Yeah...and the entitlement mindset "you have something that I feel that I'm entitled to and I don't care if I do something that's wrong...all that matters is that I get it...."...that's a point of view.
I've never understood people who use this rationale....stealing is stealing no matter how you justify it to make yourself feel better while you are doing it.
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some people cant afford to buy certain apps, like a 99$ navigation map for example. There are many different points of views...
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What's the threshold for stealing? If it were only $50 then it wouldn't be ok? $25? If you can't afford a new car you couldn't just go steal one and have it be ok. And everyone knows "You wouldn't download a car."
If I don't want to pay what it's offered for then I just do without. People should look into dropping their entitlement complex.
On another note, I don't buy into the whole "It's not available in my locale" argument. Maybe I just don't fully understand it being in the US. I've seen many ways to fool your phone/the market to seeing a new locale (for free), and most apps I've ever bought have a direct buy version anyway.
Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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Really?
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Doesn't say anywhere that you have to pay for the apps. Me downloading an apk isn't theft. The original copy is still left intact. Pirates raid ships and steal. They don't make copies.
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If the app isn't offered for free by the developer and you obtain a copy without paying then you're stealing. If you want a warm fuzzy because you're stealing something that can be copied then go ahead and tell yourself that. You are still taking money out of the dev's pocket through theft.
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If the app isn't offered for free by the developer and you obtain a copy without paying then you're stealing. If you want a warm fuzzy because you're stealing something that can be copied then go ahead and tell yourself that. You are still taking money out of the dev's pocket through theft.
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This argument only stands if you intended to buy the app in the first place and if there weren't so many cases in which piracy increased sales rather than decreased them.
Of course, the opposite is true as well. There are a number of games out there where it was simply more prudent to pirate the game if you wanted to, you know, play it whenever you wanted (Cough, Ubisoft games, cough).
I understand that some people are morally outraged by piracy... but much like so many other things in life, not everyone is. I used to pirate like nobodies business.. but now that I make more money, I typically only pirate the game if I am unsure about it and it doesn't have a demo. If I like it, I go buy it. If not, I get rid of it. I also typically pirate games that have an obscenely restrictive DRM embedded... not because I want to play it but just because screw those guys for putting it in there. DRM increases piracy, not hinders it.
However, copyright infringement is not theft. It is not stealing. Nothing is removed from anywhere. No money is removed from the dev's pockets because it was never there in the first place. If the item couldn't be pirated, that person wouldn't magically have more money because a whole lot of the people that pirate do it because they can't afford it in the first place.
Not to mention, there are companies who don't consider piracy a bad thing: http://www.gamespot.com/news/angry-birds-dev-says-piracy-may-not-be-a-bad-thing-6349485
Not to mention all of these industries who are trying to fight piracy so hard are doing it in the utterly wrong way. People pirate movies? Ok, rather than make movies easy to obtain online and permanently owned just like a dvd copy... they make it abnormally difficult, with higher prices and restrictive licensing and DRM. They make movie ticket prices skyrocket. In short, they make it annoying as all hell to acquire a legitimate digital copy. On the flipside, you can go to google, type in the name of a movie (Say... I dunno, The Avengers), pull up a torrent site, hit download and bam, you now have a digital copy without drm you own.
Music is much the same way, though it is improving. It isn't a whole lot better but I have forsaken pirating music and simply listen to Pandora or Spotify.
TV shows are in the same bracket as movies. It would be so simply to, the night of or the day after showing a new episode, put it up for sale for a dollar or two for people to buy and own. Make it quick, cheap and simple and people will FLOCK to it. But they don't. So everyone just goes and watches Hulu or pirates it.
Games are a more unique sector. They have numerous methods of easily obtaining the games but these methods are getting more restrictive, with licensing and "If you piss us off, you lose everything you bought from us" rules. Origin does this, Steam... yeah, not a very good thing. Why spend all that time worrying about that if you only play single player? Just go pirate it, then nobody can take it from you, right? So we have easy methods of quickly obtaining games, but they keep adding on to their list of rules and restrictions. Steam is the best of the bunch and even they will remove all access to the hundreds to thousands of dollars of games you spent if you break a rule. Even they don't allow anything but arbitration suits. You know the times that most games make the largest amount of sales and profit on Steam? During the Summer Sale and Winter Sale. Dev's love those sales because sales skyrocket to the moon and beyond. Their profit skyrockets for a few weeks. These sales make it obvious what the problem is for a lot of people... money. Is it worth the money? Yeah... less games are these days than ever. Yay, $64.94 after tax for a new game... with 4 hours of gameplay! Awesome, I totally feel that was worth my money! I am definitely going to go buy Gears of War 2 now for another 4 hours of fun!
Is piracy wrong? According to society, yes. Is it even remotely as harmful as the corporations play it out to be? Not hardly.
Forbes:
"This is a negotiation where at any time, your customer could just go download the damn movie for free, and they’re doing you a favor by even considering picking it up legally. And you have the nerve to think it’s on YOUR terms? That’s not how negotiation works. It may not be right, but it’s reality, and they have to face it.
Yet movie companies threaten to put Netflix out of business by charging them huge amounts of money to have access to their content. Netflix is in the forefront of the war on piracy, and the studios don’t even seem to understand it. It’s incredible."
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And everyone knows "You wouldn't download a car."
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Yes. Yes I would. If I could, I most certainly would.
Everything in the world should be open source. Open source coding languages are being used to code these apps. For the most part. So why is it right for someone to charge money for something they built using free software? If I were a dev, I'd open up all my code to the community so we can all improve upon it.
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I used to pirate apps...when i was a dumb teenager with little money. Now, i buy ALL my apps, how hard is it to pay 0.99$ for most apps, or even 5$ for the most premium, you not only get regular updates and you also say thank you to the guy that spent time and money to bring you something cool. If people were not so lazy or had higher goals in life than working for a fast food or grocery store, maybe they'd didn't care to pay that little price. The only thing i still pirate is movies, and it's strictly for convenience because here in Canada, our Netflix sucks pretty bad, our video store rent movies for 1/4 of the price of buying it new, and i live a good 30 minutes away from the closest video store. So i have no choice to download if i want to see a movie. But i regularly go to the theaters.
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I used to pirate apps...when i was a dumb teenager with little money. Now, i buy ALL my apps, how hard is it to pay 0.99$ for most apps, or even 5$ for the most premium, you not only get regular updates and you also say thank you to the guy that spent time and money to bring you something cool. If people were not so lazy or had higher goals in life than working for a fast food or grocery store, maybe they'd didn't care to pay that little price. The only thing i still pirate is movies, and it's strictly for convenience because here in Canada, our Netflix sucks pretty bad, our video store rent movies for 1/4 of the price of buying it new, and i live a good 30 minutes away from the closest video store. So i have no choice to download if i want to see a movie. But i regularly go to the theaters.
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You just said pirating is for dumb, broke teenagers. Yet, you pirate movies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether you pirate a 99 cent app, or a $40 bluray, you're still a pirate.
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You just said pirating is for dumb, broke teenagers. Yet, you pirate movies. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Whether you pirate a 99 cent app, or a $40 bluray, you're still a pirate.
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I believe that he is saying that he would buy the movies if it wasn't such an inconvenience where he lives.
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Call me old-fashioned, but I LIKE buying stuff in retail stores. Lots of reasons:
1) I can try the product on to check for comfort.
2) I can get a sense for quality and fit n' finish.
3) If it breaks or I don't like it I can EASILY return or exchange it.
4) Instant Gratification - Face it, waiting for a week to get something you bought today SUCKS.
That being said, it seems that most of the really cool stuff is never available in stores. For example, over-the-head bluetooth headset with boom mic.
I work from home and LIVE on the phone. Before unlimited long distance was free, my phone bills would run about $3000 a month, just to give you an idea. It is very important that I have a lightweight, long-lasting headset. It MUST have a boom mic as my clients don't like it when I sound like I'm on a speakerphone as with most bluetooth headsets. I don't care if it isn't sleek and pretty - I never wear it outside the office - I am 100% into functionality.
Anyway, headsets of this nature have been out for about a year. You would THINK somebody with a retail store would carry them, but no. My local possibilities are:
BestBuy
RadioShack
Target
Walmart
Sam's Club
Office Depot
Office Max
Staples
Nobody. Not one of these stores carries this product. God I wish we had a Frye's here in this town. Frye's completely rocks.
Now I have to order online and cross my fingers the product doesn't suck.
i'm the opposite, I hate buying at retail stores.
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I am with the OP here. I travel from place to place around the country in the cellphone industry and most times I don't know where I will be 3-7 days from now. So ordering online is iffy at best for me. I also don't want to pay the gouging prices for overnight shipping to make up for it. So I must buy from a B+M store. On the rare occasion that I know where I will be I have bought online, but most times its just not possible for me.
I think I have figured out why this is.
Go to the BestBuy website. It seems all of the coolest, most current stuff is available online only. Why would they do that?
Well you figure the more sophisticated shopper that wants the latest thing will be shopping online. More of the customers who go to retail stores are less sophisticated users rather than enthusiasts.
So they sell the goid stuff online and ship out all the old tired stuff to sell to consumers who don't know any better.
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i'm the opposite, I hate buying at retail stores.
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Yah same here
I agree with the OP, I prefer retail stores for my gadgets. It allows me to look them over (online photos are never accurate, try it out, not have to deal with annoying/unreliable mail delivery, and in the end get the instant gratification of taking it home immediately...
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Frye's only goes so far though too. It all depends we got s huge one and at times it is a god send and others it is as hit or miss as the regular options. But agreed, variety and such some **** just cant be got around certain places.
So yes I too enjoy the immediate purchase / use of most things and honestlyas far as online purchases go, some are more suited for as much than others.
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Probably has to do with the fact that Americans are so obsessed with the lowest price they don't even care about the product quality.
This is evident by the surge in Chinese goods being sold at the rate it is.
Usually "the best" isn't cheapest.
Also, retail stores have a limit in space, unlike online.
Thus they have to be more picky on what they carry.
So, of course, they are going to pick the big sellers. [Especially cause they have more overhead having to pay people to run the stores as well]
Its because 90% of the in store shoppers are average electronic consumers. Hell you'd crap if you saw how many people dont update theyre androids and are still on 1.5. These items your looking for are specialty items and not used by the average shopper therefore they dont sell so we dont carry them. Stores have to buy a certain amount of a product to carry it and most items like this dont sell fast enough. After a few months the stores pay a stocking fee on what isnt sold. Online however doesnt have these limitations which is why they stock these items. They get them from the manufacturer on a per basis order.
I work at BB and would love these specialty items but our group of buyers is a minor percent of shoppers.
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God I wish we had a Frye's here in this town. Frye's completely rocks.
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There's a Fry's near my home and another near near my work and I'm equally frustrated with both of 'em! I just don't understand how anyplace can have so much of what I want yet so little of what I need.
I still shop there a lot, but it almost always involves compromise.
I call it the Home Depot business model.
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But I guess you can't beat Amazon for price. You also have he benefit of lots of user reviews. However even that can be confusing because one user will rate the product 5 stars because it does xyz so well and another user will rate it one star because it sucks at xyz
Oh well. I really need to buy an over the head bluetooth headset with boom mic and I can't decide on which one. Lots of people seem to like the Emerson product.
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I guess what amazes me is that Charlotte NC is the 9th largest city in the USA and we don't have a single enthusiast technology store. No TigerDirect, no Frye's. It blows :-(
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Try living on an island lol
We are not too bad tho, shipping Something is something else. I have had problems with that. Had something shipped to my parents house in VA and im still waiting for them to ship it. Its been over a week since they got it.
But yeah,i do like buying from a store, returns alone are less of a pain.....But I have been buying a lot online. Mostly things I cant find locally or good deals.
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I think it is bcause the store do not want to get stuck with something that doesn't sell fast.
As someone said earlier, not eveyone is willing to put out money for quality stuff. Lower priced item sell faster. Stores want something that will come in and out
Basic economics. It is cheaper to sell online than it is to sell out of a brick-and-mortar store. They may charge the same price at both locations, but anything they sell online has a massive difference in the profit margin. They don't sell, or at least keep much stock for the most desirable items in-store. This allows the store to direct people to the website when the store "runs out of stock". Straight and simple increase in profit.
I hear you. There is almost an entire untapped market for specialized electronics. All the big box carry the same old consumer neutral stuff. Its got to the point for me where Best Buy is the only place I can really get anything, and there selection is not that great.
it all boils down to overhead. A brick and mortar store has lots of it. Staff, real estate, utilities, etc. are all expensive. In order to recoupe these expenses you put on the shelves things that you will sell a lot of. Ever store has to make so much money for every square foot of floor space. Each shelf has an income it must make inorder for the store to be profitable. This makes "Specialty" the key word. It is an item a specific few will be looking for not the masses. If you take up space on your floor with an item that you are not going to sell very many of you are wasting valuable space and going to get stuck with product you cant move.
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Basic economics. It is cheaper to sell online than it is to sell out of a brick-and-mortar store. They may charge the same price at both locations, but anything they sell online has a massive difference in the profit margin. They don't sell, or at least keep much stock for the most desirable items in-store. This allows the store to direct people to the website when the store "runs out of stock". Straight and simple increase in profit.
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This makes no sense and it sounds like you have a conspiracy issue. No store would ever not stock what sells well. There is no guarantee that the shopper is going to go home and buy from your website. It is too easy to comparison shop on the internet and I guarentee you that you will not find that Best Buy (or any other B&M store) is the best price on the web. It just boils down to certain items will cost a store money if they sit on the shelves due to the income that can be made if something else is there.
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No store would ever not stock what sells well. There is no guarantee that the shopper is going to go home and buy from your website. It is too easy to comparison shop on the internet and I guarentee you that you will not find that Best Buy (or any other B&M store) is the best price on the web. It just boils down to certain items will cost a store money if they sit on the shelves due to the income that can be made if something else is there.
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We actually do that at Staples all the time. We want more and more customers ordering online. They will advertise a chair on sale and even if we have it in stock they encourage us to get the customer to order it online at our kiosk. They say it gets customers more used to ordering online and conditions them to shop online at home. If they order online from in the store we can help them if they need it, and next time they order they may bypass us altogether.
Margin is much higher on online items and returns are less likely.
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Switch to an Iphone and you'll pretty much find any accessory you could ever want, even at your local Walgreens. That's because it's the new, hip phone that all the kids want. Seriously though, sometimes, the local little cell phone shops are the best for quirky, non-mainstream stuff. There a place by me, about 30 minutes away that just has a crap ton of cell phone accessories. If I just can't wait, or I'm not sure what I want, I just drive out there.
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We actually do that at Staples all the time. We want more and more customers ordering online. They will advertise a chair on sale and even if we have it in stock they encourage us to get the customer to order it online at our kiosk. They say it gets customers more used to ordering online and conditions them to shop online at home. If they order online from in the store we can help them if they need it, and next time they order they may bypass us altogether.
Margin is much higher on online items and returns are less likely.
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Say what?????? You do realize by doing what you described your working yourself out of a job? If they bypass the store your revenue goes down as well as your labor allowance which means your not needed and im sure the ceo would be very pleased by your willingness to help his wallet.
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I did not click on your link, however, the Pandora app is pretty good. I no longer use it because I favor the TuneIn radio app, but for what Pandora does, it does quite well. Give it a try if you haven't already.
That doesn't surprise me at all. I've heard a ton of weird rumors about Pandora. Pandora also has an excessive amount of permissions, in my opinion. Shady stuff.
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Very shady, I guess that's why they're in a law suit now. Stupid companies selling our personal data for money. I think android apps are notorious for this. MOST OF THEM
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Folks, it's not the app.
It's the ad networks that are used by the app.
I emailed back and forth with the CTO of DI Radio (DI.fm, SKY.fm) and it basically came down to that while DI Radio wasn't looking at my cell tower location, carrier name, and ESN, the ad network was to track me, but he said they wouldn't change their ads just because of that.
However, after this fiasco with Pandora... Maybe they will.
I should have been more specific about the link being from engadget. However thought it was an interesting story I would share. Makes me feel invaded. I don't want to feel paranoid.
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You really should never feel safe over the air and on the internet. Even encrypted stuff is just a hacker away from being cracked. You do everything you do online, like paying bills, at a big risk. You are just lucky that most hackers don't want the $5 most people have in their bank accounts.
I really don't see an issue here. It's way overblown. It's the price you pay for an ad-supported app, and I think it's a small price.
So they want to know if I'm male or female? Yeah, I don't need to see Tampax ads.
They want to know my birthday? OK. I give that out at Chilli's to get a free order of nachos on my birthday. And I don't need to see Depends ads for another 40-50 years or so (I hope).
Location? Well, OK, I can see that this makes people a little uneasy, but if they want to send me a coupon when they see I'm near a strip club, I'm probably grateful to receive it.
I'm not saying people shouldn't think about these things. But I don't see how anyone could steal my identity with this information.
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I really don't see an issue here. It's way overblown. It's the price you pay for an ad-supported app, and I think it's a small price.
So they want to know if I'm male or female? Yeah, I don't need to see Tampax ads.
They want to know my birthday? OK. I give that out at Chilli's to get a free order of nachos on my birthday. And I don't need to see Depends ads for another 40-50 years or so (I hope).
Location? Well, OK, I can see that this makes people a little uneasy, but if they want to send me a coupon when they see I'm near a strip club, I'm probably grateful to receive it.
I'm not saying people shouldn't think about these things. But I don't see how anyone could steal my identity with this information.
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Big issue, I know I need viagra but I don't need these bastards reminding me when I open every ad supported app lol jkjk.
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https://www.eff.org/pages/jailbreaking-not-crime-tell-copyright-office-free-your-devices
Take a look at the article and make a simple comment about what being able to legally root your phone means to you. The exemption that the dmca ruled on in 2010 is about to expire so let's make sure it gets renewed.
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From what I hear jailbreaking iphones allows access to free paid apps, which is different than rooting android. However, I'm sure this should apply to both android and iphone users. If it became illegal, what would happen if we got caught? Jailed, fined, terminated by carrier?
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From what I hear jailbreaking iphones allows access to free paid apps, which is different than rooting android. However, I'm sure this should apply to both android and iphone users. If it became illegal, what would happen if we got caught? Jailed, fined, terminated by carrier?
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Well, Android has access to free paid apps without root. The act of jailbreaking and stealing apps are two different things I would think.
Same with modding consoles, you aren't doing anything illegal unless you download games which you never paid for and play them.
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The act of jailbreaking and stealing apps are two different things I would think.
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I would absolutely agree with this. Just because I want to root my device, does not mean I desire to steal anything... in fact I buy paid apps all the time when I probably could get them for free if I looked enough.
The worst thing I have probably ever done (if you consider it wrong) as a benefit of root access, is tether my phones 3G connection (I don't get wimax) to my tablet for free. I don't consider this wrong because I am paying for the data service from Sprint, if I choose to share that with my own personal tablet, that should be my choice. I don't do it for my laptop cuz I have a much faster wifi connection at home, but its convenient for the tablet.
THe original ruling on this was in responce to Apple wanting to make it a crome to jail break the phone. The ruling said Jail breaking was legal for fair use IE being able to do customizations and use features the device would support that the Manufacturer did not want to support. These things have not changed the ruling was for fair use. you bought it you can do what you want with it. But the carriers and manufacturer's have the rigth to deny waranty if you do.
Considering Android is open source and we 'own' our phones, we can do what ever we want with them.
Without rooting, we could not access and remove the crap software that our carriers try to force down our throats. We never would have been able to remove CIQ or even know it was there. We would be helpless and putting control of everything we do into hands of the people we pay our money to every month. I don't trust my service provider to maintain my interests for me.
Its my understanding that jail breaking just lets you install apps that aren't in the app store which sounds legal to me
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Well, Android has access to free paid apps without root. The act of jailbreaking and stealing apps are two different things I would think.
Same with modding consoles, you aren't doing anything illegal unless you download games which you never paid for and play them.
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I just mentioned it because my cousin wanted to jailbreak his ipod to get free paid apps. I didn't necessarily mean everyone steals with rooting/jailbreaking. It was just the first thing that came to mind. The biggest reason i'd see this law passing is because of the misuse of tethering.
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cds0699 said:
I would absolutely agree with this. Just because I want to root my device, does not mean I desire to steal anything... in fact I buy paid apps all the time when I probably could get them for free if I looked enough.
The worst thing I have probably ever done (if you consider it wrong) as a benefit of root access, is tether my phones 3G connection (I don't get wimax) to my tablet for free. I don't consider this wrong because I am paying for the data service from Sprint, if I choose to share that with my own personal tablet, that should be my choice. I don't do it for my laptop cuz I have a much faster wifi connection at home, but its convenient for the tablet.
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while i do understand this, it becomes a conflict of interest because sprint offers the same service on your phone for $30/month... so while TECHNICALLY you didnt agree to ONLY use your data for your phone, they do offer the same service you arent paying for. kinda like using your buddy next door's cable. he pays for it, and doesnt mind at all that you use the other cable box from his service, but its still frowned upon. its a gray area, im not sure what kind of action the carriers can take other than drop you... not that i agree, i use hotspot too...
I hope it stays legal.
Hell all the damn money these carriers and phone manufacture's make off of us it should stay legal, at least for android phones. I could give a **** less about apple and their attitude against everyone and everything! They will put themselves out of business. But android wouldnt be android without Root/jailbreaking and everything that comes along with it. IF they ever took that away I will just use a phone for a phone and go to metro piece of **** or something!
In the apple spectrum, those slimy bastards that make fun of our everything android that's of lesser quality and how they are superior beings for being ifags, for them to go out and steal from the developers is just wrong and should be justifiable with punishment.
In the android spectrum, we don't want to steal. We just want to get the maximum potential out of our device that carriers for some odd reason try and hold back.
Probably because an android phone can last longer. Meaning: keep more interest in the end user for them not to upgrade earlier if they have rooting/rom capabilities keeping this new,fresh, and exciting. Which in turn makes less money for the carrier. But honestly i don't go to the carrier to have a bogged down **** phone and be a helpless lemon and just be forced to upgrade. I want the best bang for my buck and the sooner Carriers realize this the better we will talk of them.
well thats just like everything else these days! They make flat screen tv's to go out in 4or 5 years when the old box tv's would last 20-30 years. Cars are made to die after 150,000 miles or less and now they come out with new phones every couple of months to entice people into keeping up with the jones's and having to have the best instead of just rooting your phone and haveing anything you want on it! If we lose the ability to root and hack our phones, it will clearly be a step backwards...
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well thats just like everything else these days! They make flat screen tv's to go out in 4or 5 years when the old box tv's would last 20-30 years. Cars are made to die after 150,000 miles or less and now they come out with new phones every couple of months to entice people into keeping up with the jones's and having to have the best instead of just rooting your phone and haveing anything you want on it! If we lose the ability to root and hack our phones, it will clearly be a step backwards...
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man, i just REALLY like your sig. and, i agree with ^
We are suppose to be making stuff biodegradeable and recycling and making less waste! But these companys making the products we have to use everyday like tv's, cars, computers, phones, ect.. are filling up our land fills and creating soooo much waste and ruining our planet! It has been said that at the rate we are going now by the year 2030 we will need at least 2 planet earths to sustain everyone. Its all about GREED and GREED only. The people running everything on this planet are only thinking about their lifetime and maybe their childrens.
If it wasn't bad enough losing file share websites, now this crap? If we can't root, I won't own an Android. It is easy to steal apps, but with these websites down, I am sure it forces more people to buy them. And how are we supposed to get all of our custom ROMs with no website to host them?
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What can we do to get GW accepted in more places? Or places that take paypass to get the darn machines working??? :banghead::banghead::banghead:
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Use it. That's about it. To be honest though, there really isn't a big demand for the technology at the moment. Few people have devices that can use the technology, and fewer still actually bother with it even if they have a capable device. The physical wallet isn't going anywhere anytime soon because it contains many things that your phone probably won't be privy to for a long time. Why bother with Google Wallet when you can just as easily pull out the credit card that your google wallet uses anyway, and not have to worry about whether or not the place you're at has NFC support?
I would LOVE for Google Wallet to catch on (and get a few more features <.<; ) and I think it will-- in a few years. For now, however, Google Wallet hasn't really proven itself to businesses and the average user as anything more than a gimmick.
I won't even bother using it until I can link it to my debit card.
More and more places accept paypass all the time. Google wallet isn't the only thing that uses it btw. I've never had an issue with a paypass machine myself.
I FINALLY found a place in my town where it works. It was a McDonalds, heh. Too bad I almost never go to McDonalds....
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I won't even bother using it until I can link it to my debit card.
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This I would like to link it to other cards other then citi cards....
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The feature I like the best is that it's not linked to my atm/debit card or my personal credit cards. That its only linked to the Google card and I have to put money into it makes me feel very safe and secure. I would have never activated Google wallet if it linked to my personal banking and credit info. This is by far the safest rout.
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Linking it to debit would help acceptance a lot I think. And perhaps digital ids but that may be a ways off unless governments step in and push that. But as is, it is probably too easy to hack, fake or manipulate digital ids. But it would be sooooo freaking awesome to get other cards working with this tech. Car insurance, health insurance, club, grocery store cards/ids. A true digital wallet would be awesome. Would have to get a leather case for my nexus then.
let it be.
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Linking it to debit would help acceptance a lot I think. And perhaps digital ids but that may be a ways off unless governments step in and push that. But as is, it is probably too easy to hack, fake or manipulate digital ids. But it would be sooooo freaking awesome to get other cards working with this tech. Car insurance, health insurance, club, grocery store cards/ids. A true digital wallet would be awesome. Would have to get a leather case for my nexus then.
let it be.
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Nah ductape case is better LOL jk
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Like another person said the acceptance of Google wallet isn't the issue it is updating them because I think MasterCard only card that some have built-in got lectured at wall greens that they won't turn it on but what's point in having it displayed anyway next iPhone 5 is supposedly going to have it so demand should increase and public awareness of it should increase I swear one place kept hitting cancel on me on purpose because they thought I was scamming them.
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Was able to link my food stamps to it. Been on a spending Bender ever since.
Went straight to the strip club where, surprisingly, they have pay pass. Then off to cigarette depot for some smokes. Bought me a carton, no more loosies for me. After that, got some lotto tickets @ 7-11. Then off to white castle.
I even got enough left on my "IL Link" card that I can sell the rest of the funds to one of my baby mommas for fifty cent on the dolla.
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Like another person said the acceptance of Google wallet isn't the issue it is updating them because I think MasterCard only card that some have built-in got lectured at wall greens that they won't turn it on but what's point in having it displayed anyway next iPhone 5 is supposedly going to have it so demand should increase and public awareness of it should increase I swear one place kept hitting cancel on me on purpose because they thought I was scamming them.
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That's probably another "issue". If iPhone doesn't have it is no good or not cool.
let it be.
Basically companies have to pay for the machines that they use to accept credit cards etc. The only way for this to get HUGE and FAST is for Google to become contracted with certain businesses to provide them with these PayPass scanners, even if they have to produce their own Google Branded versions. This way they have control and can distribute them. Otherwise ATM we are stuck with places that have the PayPass machines. Most companies go cheap and get those ugly looking grey plastic card machines that aren't very advanced, just for the fact they are cheap. Google will have to make the move though, businesses will not pay the dough to switch to these machines.
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After that, got some lotto tickets @ 7-11.
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Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
I use mine all the time...
McD's, 7-11, CVS and even Whole Foods. There's an app for MC Paypass locations and I've found everywhere that's on the list generally accepts them. I have to agree with it being limited. Google Wallet needs to stop treating this like a hobby and add cards other than Citibank. GW needs to mature a lot before ISIS or even Apple arrives on the scene.
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krichek said:
Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
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LOL... I've heard the clerks tell people they can't use credit cards. I just ambush them and hit the terminal with my phone and if they ever say anything I can just show them the pic of the GW Prepaid and point at the "DEBIT" in the graphic. After all I can't control how their POS terminal processes it and by the time they notice it's too late.
krichek said:
Lol, I'm up to around 170ish transactions using Wallet at this point, but the one thing I can never buy is Lotto tickets at 7-11. They tell me you can't buy them with a credit card.
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clearly you aren't on food stamps or you would know how to work those angles. Lol.
And, I was being sarcastic about everything I said. just to make sure everyone knows. But you can bet that someone will figure out how to link their food stamps to this. Here in Illinois food stamps are on a debit card called "Illinois link". And like most states, there are people who use them that know how to work the system to get all sorts of crazy stuff.
This morning I was at the gas station behind a guy who used his link to buy candy and soda not just for him but for his buddy too. Wearing 200 Jordans, gold chains, about 250 worth of clothes on, a gold grill, and diamonds in his ears. Talking on an iphone 4 the whole time. Then watched him get into his relatively new Lincoln Navigator with 20+" wheels. Then I had the privilege of following him on my way to work. His stereo booming the two blocks until he pulled into the govt housing authority homes, where I wouldn't be surprised if he lived.
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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thos25 said:
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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Hate to say it, but that is a way for nfc to get a big push. Otoh, nfc is usually in high end phones, even subsidized ones so the other side of the equation is "dafuq?"
let it be.
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Google Wallet needs to stop treating this like a hobby and add cards other than Citibank.
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They would love to but if you don't have cooperation, then it can't happen. Too many of those companies are trying to compete with GW so they will not allow it.
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clearly you aren't on food stamps or you would know how to work those angles. Lol.
And, I was being sarcastic about everything I said. just to make sure everyone knows. But you can bet that someone will figure out how to link their food stamps to this. Here in Illinois food stamps are on a debit card called "Illinois link". And like most states, there are people who use them that know how to work the system to get all sorts of crazy stuff.
This morning I was at the gas station behind a guy who used his link to buy candy and soda not just for him but for his buddy too. Wearing 200 Jordans, gold chains, about 250 worth of clothes on, a gold grill, and diamonds in his ears. Talking on an iphone 4 the whole time. Then watched him get into his relatively new Lincoln Navigator with 20+" wheels. Then I had the privilege of following him on my way to work. His stereo booming the two blocks until he pulled into the govt housing authority homes, where I wouldn't be surprised if he lived.
So...I guess that probably contributed to my sarcasm this morning.
At any rate, won't be surprised if food stamps are on Nfc within a year or two.
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I work with the side of providing free services to some of those people and the best part is a fair number of them tend to be the most demanding and presumptuous people I've met... just plain rude. Not sure what it is about paying for something that makes you nicer. Maybe we just don't appreciate something as much if its free. This doesn't apply to everyone but I see it often enough that it bugs me. Okay I'm done with my rant haha
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I work with the side of providing free services to some of those people and the best part is a fair number of them tend to be the most demanding and presumptuous people I've met... just plain rude. Not sure what it is about paying for something that makes you nicer. Maybe we just don't appreciate something as much if its free. This doesn't apply to everyone but I see it often enough that it bugs me. Okay I'm done with my rant haha
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I hear ya. I used to live directly across from govt projects. I would always see aarons and rent a center trucks there dropping off big screen TV's. I even see several 50"+ televisions on the trash curb. Aside from that it wasn't a horrible place to live. if you don't mind loud music, large groups of 50+ people fighting with everything from broom sticks to tire irons, and weekly shootings that is.
But yeah. My sister is a cashier @ Walmart a and says a large portion of the people are rude. I've seen it myself standing in line behind many of them.
And don't get me wrong. A good deal of those people are in legitimate need of assistance. They are grateful for the help and do what they can to become self sufficient as time goes on.
But a significant portion of the people are not deserving, are rude, dishonest, and generally don't deserve anything they get.
and as for the comment about how putting food stamps on these devices would probably drive Google wallet. It probably would. And even though it is only on high end phones, you can bet your bottom dollar that a lot of people on welfare have high end phones.
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hey if I could really get some help with hacking a game or an idea on why I cant hack it.
So im playing racing rivals, using game killer to try and hack it, once I hack, get the money and gold I desire. I make sure it shows up in the corner that I have gotten the money. once I go to buy something, the game say nf or something like that, then reloads the game and im back where I started.
any ideas??
thanks for the help.
not hackable from what I researched. make a new account on another device or bluestacks... give it ur 7 second car (once u get one) get the winnings from bonuses and transfer everything back... gets u around 100k... or u can beat campaign again and get 100k + cars
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What the hell is the purpose of even playing if you're just gonna cheat?
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ShinySide said:
What the hell is the purpose of even playing if you're just gonna cheat?
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I play this game too, and while I'm no cheater after seeing what they want from you, I understand the request. I.e. when you first start playing you are given a choice of cars to choose from for free to start your campaign, I chose the scion tC, I lost my scion to a scammer who said he was giving his cars away and deleting the game. In the showroom the car cost 32,000 in game cash to purchase, when you loose a car they give you 24 hours to restore the car you lost. You are not given the option to restore it with in game cash, instead you must use the other currency which is gems, (these are ridiculously hard to come by) they wanted 1500+ gems to restore my car, in order for me to obtain that many I would have to save them for months, or pay real money for them, the real cash I would have had to spend to restore my car was over 20 buck real cash. So I can see why someone would want to have a hack available just to circumvent the absolutely ludicrous real cost of in game currencies. I know that monetization for mobile games has gone the way of in game purchases, however being from the old school of gaming I would gladly pay 20 bucks for a game with a single in game currency that can be earned for anything the game has to offer, rather then give you who knows how much for intangible goods. Hell I would be more likely to give them 50 bucks for the game, then give them one red cent for an in game purchase, and along the lines of why even play if your going to cheat. You mean to tell me that you never used a game shark or a majix mod on any of your platforms for the purpose of getting ahead in a game? The only thing that seems bad about this request is that if you hack their game you are cutting into their money because you didn't purchase the game like you would a traditional game. However I never saw a traditional game have some completely ludicrous price tag, and even the few that were priced way higher than most others based on the expectancy and sheet number of people trying to get it on release day, it was never a recurring cost unless you broke the game or it was stolen from you. As a junior developer I understand the ridiculous amount of time it can take to create a game, but raping you customers to be able to continue to play isn't right either. If they were a little more realistic with their pricing we wouldn't have so many people looking for a hack.
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Cheating in games could be very fun because with racing rivals cheat you can generate as many resources as you want right? Also you can use racing rivals mod which is quite better than hacks and cheats
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What the hell is the purpose of even playing if you're just gonna cheat?
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If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying
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