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Why does my phone get so unstable after awhile?

This has been going on for awhile now but it keeps getting worse and worse. My Tilt2 is extremely unstable. Usually after I flash it it will be fine for awhile, a couple of weeks maybe. After that it gets progressively more and more unstable. It gets less and less responsive, especially when waking, programs close without warning, I sometimes get graphical glitches. Hard locks are not uncommon. There have been days that I have had to soft reset my phone 3 or 4 times during the day.
Sense seems to be at least part of the culprit. Restarting it when things aren't responding seems to help sometimes. I sometimes have had some luck with deleting all of my text messages but that is only temporary at best.
I have been running Energy ROMs for the most part. Other ROMS I have tried have behaved similarly. XDAndroid is also abnormally unstable.
Could a bad SD card be causing the problems? I was trying to record a video with my phone a few days ago and it just suddenly stopped without warning. Trying to start the recording again resulted in it recording maybe a half second and then stopping again. Changing the storage to internal memory allowed recording normally. The camera app has also popped up a message about a new sd card being detected a couple of times recently.

May I add, that I have had enough with this phone. It's absolutely unreliable for any business worker who really needs a phone that can do simple tasks such as check emails, use bluetooth and of course, make a damn phone call - and it sucks at doing so.
I have flashed it with energy, and I must point out the dev has done a good job in appearance, other than that windows 6.1 - 6.5 is a TERRIBLE OS. I don't care what others have to say; if you can prove me wrong, then show a video that the phone is great.
I have numerous occasions where the phone just starts playing up. One huge annoyance is making calls. If someone calls you, who then later hangs up, the first thing you do is check who it is and then unlock the phone. But once you unlock it sometimes it doesn't allow you to press anything on the screen. You are then forced to reset the phone and wait for the boot screen and after that you are taken to the damn TIME REGION setting which takes an eternity to get to (like i already INPUT the place from before, why the hell must I remind the effin phone again?), afterwards even when you make a call, the call connects but you cannot hear ANYONE on the other line - thus you have to RESET the phone AGAIN!
Even once you are on a call, there are times that the phone decides to END IT. One may ask, "well your ear probably touched something" - great, nice to know my ear can act as a small stylus that SOMEHOW it can go slide all the way to the connectivity area and just by chance HIT the 'airplane' mode making the phone unavailable thus ending your call - this has co-incidentally happened to me already about 25 times!
I can keep going on, but check out my rant review on the got mine section here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521271&page=173 - and read till the end.

While it has tons of nice eye candy, Energy is not the best in terms of speed and stability. Try a more lightweight ROM, like Jackos. Simplicity is also excellent, although it hasn't been updated in a while. Both of these ROMs are more lightweight, and manage memory better than Energy.

Got room for a "me too"? I've said it before. I don't know if the problem is HTC, Windows, or AT&T...or a combination of the three, but I have: Unreliable, painfully slow 3G; frequent dropped phone calls; Internet browser DNS failures; Wi-fi that seems to be just for show; and finally, a phone that is so slow to respond to any screen taps or button pushses that it tests my patience daily. Oh yes, I almost forgot, I have to reset the phone at least every other day and sometimes as often as twice in one day.
I still have ten months on my contract, and then it is goodbye to HTC, ATT, and Windows Mobile. I know you die hards here on the forum say iPhone is for kids and Windows is for business, but for my business, a working phone is what is important, and this ain't it!

redpoint73 said:
While it has tons of nice eye candy, Energy is not the best in terms of speed and stability. Try a more lightweight ROM, like Jackos. Simplicity is also excellent, although it hasn't been updated in a while. Both of these ROMs are more lightweight, and manage memory better than Energy.
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If you must go Energy though, stick with the "Reference" builds. It does't have all the apps you never use on it, just the important ones. Runs much better on speed and battery life for me.

Although I will probably go with an android phone next contract cycle, windows mobile 7 (or whatever it's called) is actually quite nice.

slapshot30 said:
If you must go Energy though, stick with the "Reference" builds. It does't have all the apps you never use on it, just the important ones. Runs much better on speed and battery life for me.
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Yep. I am using that. And I am still very annoyed with this phone.

dirty_johnny said:
Although I will probably go with an android phone next contract cycle, windows mobile 7 (or whatever it's called) is actually quite nice.
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Yes, WM7 might indeed be nice. However, in spite of the typical Microsoft promises, there are still few apps for WM 7...just like prior versions of WM. iPhone, Android, and Blackberry. If you don't have one of those, you are SOL.
BTW, avatar28, I just had to do my fifth hard reset since installing ROM 2.nnnn, so I took this opportunity to go back to the original 1.5nnn ROM. I had almost forgotten how much I lost with the "upgrade", not the least of which is the task manager icon on the home screen and the ability to select from All Programs without having to install each one on a button. Yeah, I no longer have a video recorder, but I'll deal with it (LOL)!

dirty_johnny said:
Although I will probably go with an android phone next contract cycle, windows mobile 7 (or whatever it's called) is actually quite nice.
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You do realize WP7 is closed-source... right? That means not NEARLY as much development and such that you got on the Tilt2/TP2. Get Android and you will be able to customize even more than you did in winmo, and have a stable overclock.

slapshot30 said:
You do realize WP7 is closed-source... right? That means not NEARLY as much development and such that you got on the Tilt2/TP2. Get Android and you will be able to customize even more than you did in winmo, and have a stable overclock.
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Yeh but i rather get a WP7 than deal with the **** Wm6+ has to offer even if it does have more development. Even if it does, that doesn't entirely mean the phone is going to be very stable in performing.

sharkfinrazor said:
Yeh but i rather get a WP7 than deal with the **** Wm6+ has to offer even if it does have more development. Even if it does, that doesn't entirely mean the phone is going to be very stable in performing.
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Android is very stable and is much more aesthetically pleasing in my opinion than WP7. The possibilities with android are so much more vast than WP7. The whole windows phone as a whole is slowly deteriorating and I feel sorry that you don't understand that. It still has hardly any apps compared to Android or even iPhone. You seem like you want a stock operating system though, so I guess if you really want to stay away from modding and customizing your phone, get that 'soon to be dead' WP7.
Modding (open source) = Android
Stock (closed source) = WP7

slapshot30 said:
You do realize WP7 is closed-source... right? That means not NEARLY as much development and such that you got on the Tilt2/TP2. Get Android and you will be able to customize even more than you did in winmo, and have a stable overclock.
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Like I said, I will most likely go with an android phone next go around - specifically because of the open vs closed source. However - I know of some upcoming things that might also make the win 7 mobile even more of a nice package (for the right consumer). Or maybe it will lead to another release of a new mobile operating platform (ala win 7 trumping 6.5). Time will tell.
To be perfectly honest, I only have the win 6.5 phone because it was free with a 2 year. Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint are currently running a similar deal on win 7 phones. Free is a pretty compelling argument.

dirty_johnny said:
Like I said, I will most likely go with an android phone next go around - specifically because of the open vs closed source. However - I know of some upcoming things that might also make the win 7 mobile even more of a nice package (for the right consumer). Or maybe it will lead to another release of a new mobile operating platform (ala win 7 trumping 6.5). Time will tell.
To be perfectly honest, I only have the win 6.5 phone because it was free with a 2 year. Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint are currently running a similar deal on win 7 phones. Free is a pretty compelling argument.
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It depends on how you order your priorities. In my opinion, my phone is something I use many many times every single day. I want to be able to constantly change it and be excited about it all the time (I got bored with winmo after a while). I just bought a non-contract android phone for around $400 and to me that is worth it, to others who don't care as much about modding and such, it probably wouldn't be worth it.

slapshot30 said:
It depends on how you order your priorities. In my opinion, my phone is something I use many many times every single day. I want to be able to constantly change it and be excited about it all the time (I got bored with winmo after a while). I just bought a non-contract android phone for around $400 and to me that is worth it, to others who don't care as much about modding and such, it probably wouldn't be worth it.
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Dude, I can buy one whole tire for that amount

Hehe. I've been so busy lately I almost forgot about this thread. I haven't even been on the boards.
bowserb said:
Yes, WM7 might indeed be nice. However, in spite of the typical Microsoft promises, there are still few apps for WM 7...just like prior versions of WM. iPhone, Android, and Blackberry. If you don't have one of those, you are SOL.
BTW, avatar28, I just had to do my fifth hard reset since installing ROM 2.nnnn, so I took this opportunity to go back to the original 1.5nnn ROM. I had almost forgotten how much I lost with the "upgrade", not the least of which is the task manager icon on the home screen and the ability to select from All Programs without having to install each one on a button. Yeah, I no longer have a video recorder, but I'll deal with it (LOL)!
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I don't know that I would say there are very few apps. They just announced the 20k mark at the end of May (doubled in about a month). It's not a lot compared to the 300k or whatever on iOS but a lot of those are basically clones of each other anyways. A lot of iOS and 'Droid apps are just packaged HTML5 anyways and will be easy to port if/when WP7 gets some traction.
I think I may give a different ROM a shot. Something without CHT2 since I think that's some of the problem and I've gotten to where I don't even bother customizing it anymore because of hard resets/reflashes.
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You do realize WP7 is closed-source... right? That means not NEARLY as much development and such that you got on the Tilt2/TP2. Get Android and you will be able to customize even more than you did in winmo, and have a stable overclock.
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I think there is a lot more application development on WP7. But you're right about there being a lot less development of customizations and the like. Maybe with Mango we'll get more adoption and that will help things.
Honestly, I really want a new phone but I'm trying to hold off. I really want to see what Mango and the new version of Android bring to the table and I want some better hardware than the current crop of WP7 offerings. Something with specs similar to the T-Mo G2 maybe.

I have to agree this phone is a disappointment. Part of the problem is that it is underpowered for the software it runs i.e. WinMo/Sense 2.5. I find that a process called GWES keeps expanding over time since last soft reset and consumes a large slab of runtime memory. The effect of this is to make things like the camera really slow to load. I don't know if it is a memory leak but it seems rediculous having a process that doesn't have some restrictions on its memory consumption.
I was having massive problems with Standby Of Death but replacing the SIM card seems to have fixed that much to my surprise.
I have to say that I look enviously at iPhone users who press something on the screen and the response is practically instantaneous compared to the sluggish performance of WM6.5. The WP7 phones are supposed to perform well but I guess the generous minimum specs mandated by MS have a lot to do with that.
Ashley

slapshot30 said:
Android is very stable and is much more aesthetically pleasing in my opinion than WP7. The possibilities with android are so much more vast than WP7. The whole windows phone as a whole is slowly deteriorating and I feel sorry that you don't understand that. It still has hardly any apps compared to Android or even iPhone. You seem like you want a stock operating system though, so I guess if you really want to stay away from modding and customizing your phone, get that 'soon to be dead' WP7.
Modding (open source) = Android
Stock (closed source) = WP7
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I'm sure i made it clear that I prefer a WP7 phone over a WM6, not WP7 over android. I know how android works and that they are an open source, that is not new news. I'm just saying that the tp2 with wimo6 is a joke of a full time business phone. I'm not a full coding developer so I'm not interested in tricking the tp2 that it can perform something when it really can't - or it can't do whatever it's suppose to do well.
Open source is good, but sometimes it sucks that u can come across terrible, buggy apps. Sure they are free and can be fixed but that's where it fails for the consumer. These buggy apps could potentially destroy your phone. And this is the biggest flaw that winmo6 has to offer. it makes sense to just get rid of the whole entire os altogether; the most important fact of what a consumer needs in a phone is one that WORKS as a phone, NOT a developing tool.
I'm sure Microsoft understood this, which is why they are not open source. That's like if nintendo had anyone building their games without any consent from nintendo in doing so. We'd get a lot of crappy buggy games. Plus Microsoft isn't a small company. Having xbox integrated with wm7 plus buying out Skype and working together with nokia for some of their phones is a huge thing for
WP7 - so saying that they will die sometime soon is by far from happening.
Don't think that WP7 will die due to the lack of open source. The most that anyone needs on a phone is to make calls, txt/email msgs, make notes, watch movies, play music and or internet browsing - do we really need many developers to make something that's already integrated on the phone? Plus they have ms office - as a full business worker that's a big plus.

E4GT disappointment and iPhone On My Desk

(Note: I'm not new to Android. My recent phone history is HTC Touch Pro -> Palm Pre -> HTC Evo -> Samsung Epic -> Another Evo -> Nexus S 4G -> Epic 4G Touch and I generally spend more time modding than using it.)
Overall, I'm in love with Android. What I haven't been in love with is Samsung. IMO, The radios act up more, their release cycle sucks and now with my Epic 4G Touch losing connectivity and forcing me to reboot just to make sure it works has me at a place I've never been before.
So today I sit with another new phone on my desk, this time its an iPhone 4S.
I've used an iPad, The company issued me a MBP, so I'm not anti-Apple, but I've always sort of looked at the iPhone's as just...well....smart phones for dumb people. But like all technology, aren't we all better if we learn as much as we can?
So, if you were in my shoes, would you esn swap onto the iPhone 4S for the time being and wait until the next best Android thing that isn't Samsung, or ride out the storm and pray Samsung actually releases a fix to all there manufacturing problems? Would you trade the ability to tinker for the ability to have something reliable?
I realize I'm asking in a forum dedicated to Android, mostly because I need to be pulled back from the brink.
SOMEBODY SAVE ME! (or not)

You said it yourself its a smartphone for dumb people. Not a bad phone but I would just feel bad about myself using it. I would feel like a fan boy and it seems like your main issue here is LOS. Just use the LOS kernal and you wont have any issues I rarely lose signal using it with starburst.
IMO use the iPhone....it seems like it might be a fit for you based on your post.
However I am losing faith in sprint and their network, I am moving to Verizon ASAP might get the galaxy nexus or the RAZAR becuase at my work I get 20Mb down on LET.....yes 20!!!!....but it averages 15 to 17 down. Get out of sprint is what you need to do.

I wouldn't consider switching smartphone OSes on a temporary basis simply because of the app stores. I can't afford to repurchase all the apps I rely on on a new OS. That means I'd be running it in a limited capacity, avoiding purchasing the apps that would max out the enjoyment of the phone for me, knowing I'd eventually give it up and all the money I spent on it.
I think for some people going iPhone is legitimate and reasonable. It works better for certain personalities or needs. I don't begrudge that. But I've doubled-down on Android, and just like people wouldn't leave iPods because it meant losing all their music, I can't just switch OSes any time I want without thinking about the app investment.

TurboFool said:
I wouldn't consider switching smartphone OSes on a temporary basis simply because of the app stores. I can't afford to repurchase all the apps I rely on on a new OS. That means I'd be running it in a limited capacity, avoiding purchasing the apps that would max out the enjoyment of the phone for me, knowing I'd eventually give it up and all the money I spent on it.
I think for some people going iPhone is legitimate and reasonable. It works better for certain personalities or needs. I don't begrudge that. But I've doubled-down on Android, and just like people wouldn't leave iPods because it meant losing all their music, I can't just switch OSes any time I want without thinking about the app investment.
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I would agree, if I didn't already have an Android tablet
Its true what you say about doubling down. Its like owning a Canon camera, all the lenses, and then trying to switch to Nikon.

I understand your fustration with LOS, but there is a way that your phone can reboot automatically when you get a LOS and it will let you know it did so. I use Starburst v1.8 with the LostKernel and I haven't seen a LOS even happen in 4 days where it use to be once a day, but when it does happen my setup takes care of it. Reboots automatically and I don't have to do anything manually - don't miss a beat.
Check out this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18728533&postcount=3022
I don't worry about LOS anymore and this phone kicks AS-phalt

We have a crackberry att, iphone 3gs att(now cancelled), epic touch 4g, and xperia play verizon. Love me some tech stuff, including all sorts of phones, no matter who makes them. After having an iphone in the house for 2+yrs, would I get rid of the epic touch, no way. Its funny that my verizon phone will drop calls while the epic keeps on ticking, so much for verizons reliable service here in Houston. If I lose signal on the touch, I have noticed I also lose signal on verizon. I just wish Sprint would get on the ball and improve the speeds to compete with big red. Best of luck in whatever you decide.

wow, another thread on this subject...
you obviously like android, and, claim to spend more time customizing your phone than actually using it; you should have read the tons of posts about how folks are dealing with their LOS.
No one here can make up your mind, except YOU...

I'm It manager for my work. No more Androids for our company. Way too many support calls for them. If someone wants Android, we will configure it once for ActiveSync/exchange and there after they are on their own, we will give them PDFs of common problems and fixes but has time goes on those PDFs will just get out of date. I don't even want BlackBerry anymore. Since everyone wants an IPhone and the cost is the same, that's our company phone. We get very little support calls about them. We will replace a broken iPhone once and the next time it is the employee's problem to replace it or will take the cost of the new one from their paycheck over a few checks.
What do I use...E4GT, I have a company issued iPhone I use to test company apps on but it generally sits in a drawer. My number is a Google Voice number so it does not matter which phone I grab during the day.

I've also owned many Android phones and I made the switch from the Epic Touch to the iPhone 4s. I'm not gonna lie, I do miss the tinkering, however, when the jailbreak is released for this phone, I think I'll be all good then.
Unlike the epic touch I have not had any issues with the iPhone at all. Everything works flawlessly from the start.
In addition, like previous poster posted above me... We also have Android devices for our work phones and almost everyday people are having issues with them. They switched us over from Blackberry's because we're starting to use google for everything.... Google docs, gmail, etc.
Furthermore I honestly don't think that the iPhone is for people who are dumb to android and/ or tinkering. I for one don't like the upgrade process for android devices. And if I'm stuck in a contract for two years with a phone, i want it to be supported for those two years. you get an iPhone you can expect it to still get updates... Look at the iPhone 3GS. When you get an android device there's no way you know for sure of your phone is going to get the next update.... Look at the epic 4g. And I know devs can put out leaked roms, but I'm talking about official updates.
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Zzim said:
You said it yourself its a smartphone for dumb people. Not a bad phone but I would just feel bad about myself using it. I would feel like a fan boy and it seems like your main issue here is LOS. Just use the LOS kernal and you wont have any issues I rarely lose signal using it with starburst.
IMO use the iPhone....it seems like it might be a fit for you based on your post.
However I am losing faith in sprint and their network, I am moving to Verizon ASAP might get the galaxy nexus or the RAZAR becuase at my work I get 20Mb down on LET.....yes 20!!!!....but it averages 15 to 17 down. Get out of sprint is what you need to do.
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Sprint is supposed to get LTE advanced by 2013. Theoretical 1 gbs when you are stationary and 100 mbs when moving. In the real word it won't be as fast, but damn.
Sprint to roll out LTE-Advanced network by mid-2013. http://m.bgr.com/2011/10/26/sprint-to-roll-out-lte-advanced-network-by-mid-2013/
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Have you tried the stock pulled kernel? I've used that and now using the Stock pulled with CWM5 and No LOS on either. Any other kernel I use that is put together from the source though will get me LoS within hours.

Same topic..different title. Smfh

I have the iPhone side by side with my E4GT since yesterday. My goal was to configure it as close as I could to being useful to see what I would and wouldn't miss. Here's my non-fanboi list of things Android does that I can't live without:
Turn by Turn SatNav - Google does it better and the alternatives are laughable.
Google Integration - The up and down integration with contacts and other information on Google has become indispensable to me.
Icon Manipulation - I can live without a lot of the customization, but its hilarious that Apple forces you to an "always sorted, top-left to bottom-right" icon grid. Sometimes a brother just wants to have some icons above his dock.
To be fair, these are some things I noticed I could see myself liking about the iPhone:
Notification dropdown is a little more involved. Good to see Apple isn't hypocritical about stealing interface design anymore
iOS apps are first-class citizens. Almost every app that you can get on both devices is significantly more polished on iOS. For shame, developers.
Holy crap the camera is FAST
Interestingly, Google Maps looks nicer on the iPhone.
So in comparison, I like the iPhone because it feels a little more refined, but I like Android because OF Google.
I am going to reformat my E4GT again to the latest Starburst (am on 1.4 and ZedoMax) and see if I get any better performance.
Thanks everyone!
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Same topic..different title. Smfh
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And yet 90% of the comments are rational and on-topic. I appreciate all the feedback that's contributed.

Contemplating switching from iPhone to Lumia 900...

I've been on iOS for years. Ever since my first Jailbreak, unlock, and IPA modding experiences I have loved iDevices. I had Windows mobile in the past and couldn't stand it. After reading about people praising the new Windows phone I wonder what people who have experienced both OS's think. I'm deployed right now but read some articles in my free time about the Lumia 900 and thought that maybe it would be a good time to give Windows another shot when I get home.
So if you have a lot of experience with both OS's which do you prefer? I'm not a fan boy of iOS by any means, it's just what I'm used to after so long.
I realize this post is based a bit more on the OS but that's really what will make or break my decision on purchasing the Lumia 900.

well i use an ipad running ios5 and samsung focus. I personally prefer the interface and like the "metro" style for apps over ios. ios is simple but i think it is "stupid" easy interface while windows phone is simple but not "stupid easy". The os seems more dynamic as is the xbox interface is nice. One thing i like is i can choose themes, which are a colors you can choose and most apps and everyone will become that color. I think that is a neat feature. So i say get the nokia lumia 900 as it is one of the only phones that matches the iphones build quality, design and ease of use(all windows phones). With over 65k apps and counting i dont think there is much of an app problem.

I agree, iOS is about as user friendly as an operating system can get. It never fails to amaze me when someone asks me to help them use a feature on their iPhone or look at my phone and ask how I did whatever it is that caught their attention.
Windows mobile, in the past, just did not flow well and from the demos I've seen on recent phones they've taken care of that.
How well do the Lumias hold up with multiple apps running in the background?

Best Bomb Tech said:
I agree, iOS is about as user friendly as an operating system can get. It never fails to amaze me when someone asks me to help them use a feature on their iPhone or look at my phone and ask how I did whatever it is that caught their attention.
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Bull****. Thats what you could sayfor iOS before WP7 came out. And now we can say it for WP7, until something (new)better comes out.
Saying that OS is made the best way possible is stupid and short sighted.
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Windows mobile, in the past, just did not flow well and from the demos I've seen on recent phones they've taken care of that.
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Bull****. Talking like WM and WP is the same thing, just fixed, is like saying that OSX is just fixed Ubuntu.
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How well do the Lumias hold up with multiple apps running in the background?
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Like any other modern phone OS; they don't.
Windows Phone supports background tasks like push mail, music, social networking etc. Applications are stopped when pushed to the background but they resume in a second or more - depends on the app.

Windows phone 7 disappoints me in these ways.
1. I feel confined. All my apps are not available.
2. multitasking fail(s). Apps close when put in the background. e.g. If you are navigating using Nokia's Drive app, and then check your email - the drive app closes and you lose your navigation.
3. home screen customization. not AS BAD as iOS, but you still are limited in what you can see / do from the homescreen. Live tiles are great, but the whole thing pales in comparison to what you can do with android.
Overall, I love the smoothness, intuitiveness, the look and feel, and especially the hardware of the lumia 800 (900 is likely to be the same), but I can't help but have a bad taste in my mouth after using it for a day.
if you are content with using iOS, you may find WP7 to be a very nice change. Coming from Android, I get tired of not being able to control and customize everything my phone does. Just my 2 cents! =)

It handles the backgrounds task just fine, it is just some apps dont suport multitasking ans you have to wait for them to reload but that is it. Also a large majority of apps are mango apps.

lovenokia said:
It handles the backgrounds task just fine, it is just some apps dont suport multitasking ans you have to wait for them to reload but that is it. Also a large majority of apps are mango apps.
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Yeah I think a lot of people don't understand that it is the app which needs to behave correctly in the new fake-multitasking environment. It's not M$'s fault that some apps still haven't implemented it properly.

Unicode Support
Does this version of Windows mobile with Nokia Lumia (I presume it is Windows Mango) support Unicode fonts... I am already fed up with seeing boxes for my Tamil language..

i am not sure

foxfire235 said:
Windows phone 7 disappoints me in these ways.
1. I feel confined. All my apps are not available.
2. multitasking fail(s). Apps close when put in the background. e.g. If you are navigating using Nokia's Drive app, and then check your email - the drive app closes and you lose your navigation.
3. home screen customization. not AS BAD as iOS, but you still are limited in what you can see / do from the homescreen. Live tiles are great, but the whole thing pales in comparison to what you can do with android.
Overall, I love the smoothness, intuitiveness, the look and feel, and especially the hardware of the lumia 800 (900 is likely to be the same), but I can't help but have a bad taste in my mouth after using it for a day.
if you are content with using iOS, you may find WP7 to be a very nice change. Coming from Android, I get tired of not being able to control and customize everything my phone does. Just my 2 cents! =)
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I've just spent the better part of 2 years with Android. Though I've also owned the venue pro and hd7, my primary phone was android. I've recently come back to windows phone. I have the lumia 710, waiting for the 900 release. Though I to get the confined feeling, what helps me get by is the windows phone just works. My last 3 androids were plagued by data connection and wifi issues. Rooting and custom rooms introduced their own issues. No matter what anyone said s, there are stability issues when rooting and Modding. Period! My current Droid is the bionic. In all its dual core glory, side by side with the 710, my little low end, cheap ass T-Mobile phone works like a beast beside the bionic. Ive given up my hacking and slashing days, for now. I think the 900 will be just fine.

alodar1 said:
Though I to get the confined feeling, what helps me get by is the windows phone just works. My last 3 androids were plagued by data connection and wifi issues.
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I was just thinking about this this morning, about how I am looking forward to trying a windows phone, and guessing that it probably "just works".
Though I will say, I am trying an android custom ROM right now called "Ligux" - it was developed by Chinese... it has the most reliable wireless connections - Wifi/mobile/even bluetooth - than any other ROM I've tried. It's done right.

jettrue said:
I was just thinking about this this morning, about how I am looking forward to trying a windows phone, and guessing that it probably "just works".
Though I will say, I am trying an android custom ROM right now called "Ligux" - it was developed by Chinese... it has the most reliable wireless connections - Wifi/mobile/even bluetooth - than any other ROM I've tried. It's done right.
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I doubt anyone can say, "it just works", and be able to say its a true statement. All electronics have issues in some way or form. From iPhone antenna gate, to data connections dropping, these forums are filled with issues people come across, in their particular world.
Custom roms are something else. Why custom roms? I suspect someone wanted to see just what open source could do, or rather, what one could do with open source. As problems cropped up, these 'cooks' started to see if they could fix something. And so on. I think now we're at a stage where its, look what I did. Custom rooms don't always mean better. In fact they usually aren't. But some, demonstrate what can be done...and its great to watch and play with. I walked into at&t this morning to pay a bill. It was galaxy note day. Its 5.1" of where will I put it. Its great to look at, but..I can't use it. There is no pocket stuffing this thing. He proceeded to tell me about android. I pulled out my bionic and talked with him. Then I pulled out my 710 and showed him a good alternative.
I'm giving up my bionic for the 900, if, it feels great in my hand. I know there are cool things the bionic can do. There are cool things the 900 can do too. I think the best thing to realize is, find those things you don't like as quickly as possible, and decide if you can live with them. If you can't, send them back. If you can, then, cool. Don't buy any phone based on a future patch, ability to jailbreak or root, or any app that might come out 'soon'. Buy the phone based on what you see and feel in your hand, right now. Take it home to try it out...that's $35 for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks, its 2 yrs or $350 to fix the mistake...
The 710 has shown me that nokia, even a low end nokia, with mango, can hang with some of the big boys. My friends at Microsoft tell me, what's on the horizon is even better. I can't wait.

When you go from iphone to Lumia you will lose your proprietary data connection. To some this is not an issue but to others it actually limits the ability of your phone.
You won't be walking in to a retail store and buying "the next coolest dock/speaker" as your phone has no such connector, is limited in design and highly limited in buyers.
I am on WP but everytime I see a new JBL speaker or some cool dock that works on the iphone I get bummed.
Today in the Nokia MWC they showed off their phone with ala a top data connection. So a nice desktop dock means I have to turn the phone upside down or connect some damn wire instead of just clicking in.
TEH LAME

Thresher said:
When you go from iphone to Lumia you will lose your proprietary data connection. To some this is not an issue but to others it actually limits the ability of your phone.
You won't be walking in to a retail store and buying "the next coolest dock/speaker" as your phone has no such connector, is limited in design and highly limited in buyers.
I am on WP but everytime I see a new JBL speaker or some cool dock that works on the iphone I get bummed.
Today in the Nokia MWC they showed off their phone with ala a top data connection. So a nice desktop dock means I have to turn the phone upside down or connect some damn wire instead of just clicking in.
TEH LAME
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Yeah, true. But how many docks or speakers do you connect to during any day? For me, I connect to power and but during commute to the office. Then nothing until the ride home. Just don't have the opportunity to plug in much during a day.
But good thing to think about...

alodar1 said:
Yeah, true. But how many docks or speakers do you connect to during any day? For me, I connect to power and but during commute to the office. Then nothing until the ride home. Just don't have the opportunity to plug in much during a day.
But good thing to think about...
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I get in and out of my car a lot in a day and the phone goes with me. Two plug ins every time and it isn't just a 'click n go'. Cry for me!

I love WP7, it's simply beautiful and works as you expect. Tried iOS, Android 4.0 and did not like them, used because I had to.
My only complain is the lack of separatre volume control for the music/system, which I hope is coming with Tango update.

EgoMaximus said:
I love WP7, it's simply beautiful and works as you expect. Tried iOS, Android 4.0 and did not like them, used because I had to.
My only complain is the lack of separatre volume control for the music/system, which I hope is coming with Tango update.
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Don't count on that for Tango. Tango appears to be a side way update for a different hardware set. Should not consider it as any type of upgrade or update for Mango. Though there will be bug fixes introduced first in Tango, before they get to Mango, ie, the MMS bug fix has already been announced as a Tango first release, before it hits others, I would not be looking at Tango to introduce new features on existing and new NON Tango hardware. For medium to Hi End hardware, the next great leap, I think, will be Apollo and beyond.

[Q] Went from iPhone 4 to Note 2 - Interesting feeling

After using the iPhone for the part 5+ years, I finally got tired of the same old OS. I jumped ship and went to the Galaxy Note 2, and I absolutely love it....amazing device. All my coworkers that I show it too and amazed at the display size and the overall great looks of the phone.
What I find interesting is when I look at the iPhone's tiny display, I don't know how I survived all this time with such a small display. I feel that I can never go back to a small display now that I'm used to the Galaxy Note. The iPhone display just feels way too tiny...lol. The big brillant display of the Note 2 is very good, and I can't really tell the ppi difference between the iphone 4 and Galaxy Note 2. The past wqeek has been extremely busy at work with lots of phone use (for actual calls) and I find holding the Galaxy 2 fairly comfortable...not as awkward as I thought it would be.
That being said...I do have one question....my microSD card will sometimes unmount on it's own, and the only way to recover is to physically remove and reinsert the card again. I have a Class 10 PNY 32GB card. Has anyone else had this issue. I've reformatted the card on the phone, but have not yet tried reformatting on a windows 7 computer yet, so that is my next step. Seems to happen once or twice every few days.
Thanks for any advice regard the microSD card.

mikefly562 said:
After using the iPhone for the part 5+ years, I finally got tired of the same old OS. I jumped ship and went to the Galaxy Note 2, and I absolutely love it....amazing device. All my coworkers that I show it too and amazed at the display size and the overall great looks of the phone.
What I find interesting is when I look at the iPhone's tiny display, I don't know how I survived all this time with such a small display. I feel that I can never go back to a small display now that I'm used to the Galaxy Note. The iPhone display just feels way too tiny...lol. The big brillant display of the Note 2 is very good, and I can't really tell the ppi difference between the iphone 4 and Galaxy Note 2. The past wqeek has been extremely busy at work with lots of phone use (for actual calls) and I find holding the Galaxy 2 fairly comfortable...not as awkward as I thought it would be.
That being said...I do have one question....my microSD card will sometimes unmount on it's own, and the only way to recover is to physically remove and reinsert the card again. I have a Class 10 PNY 32GB card. Has anyone else had this issue. I've reformatted the card on the phone, but have not yet tried reformatting on a windows 7 computer yet, so that is my next step. Seems to happen once or twice every few days.
Thanks for any advice regard the microSD card.
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Welcome to the other side. Regarding the sd card...I have a samsung 32gb class 10 and have had no problems with unmounting. Although I have not really had enough time with my note to notice (only a few days). Are you stock? If not what is your rom/kernel?

Welcome to Android! excellent device choice f,sure
Its more then likely a defective SD card.

xavier6303 said:
Welcome to the other side. Regarding the sd card...I have a samsung 32gb class 10 and have had no problems with unmounting. Although I have not really had enough time with my note to notice (only a few days). Are you stock? If not what is your rom/kernel?
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Yes..I'm running stock right from the AT&T store...no root and I made no changes to kernal, etc. Since I'm fairly new to Android, and I use this phone for work and personal use, I don't want to experiment with it yet, so I plan to keep it stock for a long time.
If reformatting does not work, I'll go back to Staples and return/exchange the microSD card since they have a fairly good return policy.

I was also an iOS user since iPhone4, and before switch to Note 2, I was using iphone5. I do love the Noteii's size, battery life, s-pen ... But in term of overall smoothness, I think IP5 still has the edge. I am not sure if there something I can do in NoteII to improve it.

eelnoraa said:
I was also an iOS user since iPhone4, and before switch to Note 2, I was using iphone5. I do love the Noteii's size, battery life, s-pen ... But in term of overall smoothness, I think IP5 still has the edge. I am not sure if there something I can do in NoteII to improve it.
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I hate to second guess you, but I can't think of what you could possibly be doing with your Note, that you really can see any difference between the smoothness of iOS 6 and JB. The vast majority of professional reviewers from the biggest tech sites, have all gone out of their way to say that the difference in fluidity between iOS 6 + JB is negligible and no longer a valid argument when comparing Android to Apple... at least not when comparing JB.

Theres soooo much more you can do on Android. Here is a few great apps for stock Android thats not available for stock IOS. Handcent (a texting app with tons of features), Perfect App Protector (let people/kids see your phone without worrying about them looking a your email or what ever app you choose to lock up), Keep Safe (lock up your naughty pictures), and Apex Launcher (easily customize your Home UI, makes IOS users envy with a cool looking UI).

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I hate to second guess you, but I can't think of what you could possibly be doing with your Note, that you really can see any difference between the smoothness of iOS 6 and JB. The vast majority of professional reviewers from the biggest tech sites, have all gone out of their way to say that the difference in fluidity between iOS 6 + JB is negligible and no longer a valid argument when comparing Android to Apple... at least not when comparing JB.
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Don't get me wrong. I am not complaining the overall performance of Note II. And I have no doubt it has more processing power. Regardless what the so called professional reviews say, in day to day use, the smoothness of IP5 does have edge. it is small but noticeable. Not that Note II is bad in anyway, just doesn't feel as smooth. While this doesnt mean IP5 is faster, it just mean, at least from user interface/graphic point of view, iOS optimizes it better
IP4 is my first iOS device, before that I was a Window mobile user. So I don't considered myself iOS fan. And between IP4 and IP5, I have used WindowPhone7 (HTC Titan II) for a while. I was actually quite impressed with the smoothness of WP7 but I hated how restricted it is (more so than iOS, which I am not so happy with). Note II is my first Andriod device, so far I love Andriod's flexiblity. Moving away from iTune is just priceless. But the smoothness of iOS's user interface shouldn't be desputed.

I was surprised at how quickly I got used to the size of the Note II, I laughed at my brother in law when he said he wanted the OG Note. Now when I pickup an iPhone it feels like the phone from Zoolander, a child's play thing.
I have the cheapest microSD card I could find. I believe its class 4. Had it about a year. Used it on my Galaxy S II with no issues, and still no issues on the Note II. Unless you count the glacial file transferring (planning on getting one of those 64GB sdxc cards soon). No issues mounting or unmounting. I would make sure the card slot is clean of debris, and check the card for dirty contacts. Try an eraser to clean the contacts. Do you have any other cards to try? Cameras, old phones, etc that have a card you can use to eliminate the phone. I would guess bad card before I blamed the phone. But, if other cards do it too, call AT&T and get the phone swapped.
Sent from my Note II

eelnoraa said:
Regardless what the so called professional reviews say, in day to day use, the smoothness of IP5 does have edge. it is small but noticeable. Not that Note II is bad in anyway, just doesn't feel as smooth. While this doesnt mean IP5 is faster, it just mean, at least from user interface/graphic point of view, iOS optimizes it better.
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I hope I'm not starting a religious debate here, but I had the same discussion with my coworker earlier in the week. Far be it from me to say whether iPhone is better than Android or vice versa, and I'm not going to debate with you as to which is smoother or not. I have iOS 6 on my iPod Touch, and it's really smooth, but does that help me in my day to day?
Here's my phone experience.
This is my fourth Android phone (one was borrowed) and at every change, I thought about getting the iPhone. The first time I didn't because I had just finished with 2 consecutive Blackberry Pearls. Compact QWERTY/SureType spoiled me so much I couldn't type on the iPhone. I text around 2000-3000 messages a month so I need to type. iOS' lack of 3rd party keyboard haunt me to this day, especially when I need Chinese/Japanese/Korean handwriting recognition. I think that's probably the biggest deciding factor for me, and still is.
Here are the awesome things that iOS has brought me: iTunes store, FaceTime, Siri ... Passbook? Getting smartphones to the mainstream, and pushing developers to consider the mobile platform? Apps are more or less the same except in some really niche areas. I need an app for music notation, and unfortunately, most of the usable ones are on iPad.
Here are the awesome things that my current Andriod (Samsung Note II) does for me: screenshot + annotation, CJK handwriting recognition (3rd party, alas), not turning off while I'm still reading, keeping orientation when I lie down ... window in window/popup window (being able to watch videos while reading emails), OTG usb support so I can hook up card readers, usb memory sticks and external hard drives, access to the file system, quick notetaking/hurried scribbles, offline voice to text (which was also a biggie for me).
When you press space while typing an email address in Blackberry, it knows there are now spaces in email addresses, so the first space is always the "@" symbol, and the second space is always the "." ... so "me you com" turns into "[email protected]", and I thought, WOW, Rim seriously had people sitting around going, hey. what would make things easier for people.
That's the feeling I got from the Samsung Note II.
I guess in the end, maybe I'm just too function over form. I'd rather have things that work over things that look nice. This, of course, has no bearing whatsoever as to the "iPhone 5 vs Samsung Note II" debate, because that's just my opinion. I think Apple's done a fine job, but I also think they need to innovate the pudding out of their products.
Anyways, welcome to Android, and I hope you enjoy your stay!

Hmm... how should I start...
Note 2/Android deals terribly with missed calls, texts and emails. Icon badges which are extremely useful are almost non existent or simply don't work. You have to "configure" just about EVERYTHING on this system to get it to work, where as with iOS it works... simply.... It does push as Android doesn't and its smooth as silk ON ANY APPLICATION...
Anyone tried flipboard on both? Why is it that on the iPhone its so much smoother than Android? Its the same developer with the same app and goal. There has to be an underlining from the OS that dictates or does this... How does that help me on the day to day? How good looking is your car? How does the ergonomics feel? That is how it helps.... For the first time the note 2 made it "passable" or "acceptable" the smoothness or lack of.. It still stutters even after 5 years... something the iPhone got right on day one! Anyone remember the G1?
Widgets without a capacity for push/seamless push they are pretty much useless, same thing as opening an application. If things would push correctly to your phone, android would have been so much more useful than iOS that it would have brought back Apple to the drawing board.
There are no programs like LockInfo/Intelliscreen X.
pictures MMS on Android have a play button..WTF? Even ChompSMS (makers of bitesms for iPhone) can't compare to bitesms functionality and usefulness. A quick reply on Android with Chomp will leave the badge on the icon and marked as unread, when you specifically want it read... you have to open the app to clear it. That should have worked flawlessly. If it works on the iPhone, why can't they make it work on Android... Its just coded differently and has bad coding or handling of data (whatever, I don't know).
In a general sense... iOS looks so much better... Android feels like pixels on a screen where as iPhone feels totally different... Then again... w/o a jailbreak it gets boring fast... and Android has a lot more to fiddle around.
The lack of jailbreak is the second time it has pushed me to Android... And this Big Screen is such a nice addition that I feel like I couldn't go back to the tiny i5. But then again, if a Jailbreak appeared I would be returning it...
I want to like Android... The geek in me likes it, but when simple things like notifications badges and push email don't work correctly makes me see all the huge flaws android still has...
For instance.....
I have lockinfo on my iPhone.... I go to my GOOGLE calendar.... add an Appointment.... pick up my iPhone and its RIGHT THERE... RIGHT THAT VERY SECOND that I turn on the screen... Try that SIMPLE thing with Android and let me know... that is the kind of things that should have worked flawlessly from DAY 1.
Try this... Google Now... "remember me when I get home to call my aunt." See what happens... Even spanish language works so much better on Siri than on Google... Even S-voice does a better job than google :facepalm: And the ousted Forstall... What a joke.
Updates.............. Oh god.. try getting an Android update... You need to buy a new phone (nice business from ATT and such? You mean to tell me that Google can't have the same "power" over carriers?, yeah yeah yeah... Get the nexus.. Nexus is and always will be a second class/Cheap product. LTE anyone?)
Music and iTunes... for much that I hated iTunes, the fact that I can organize stuff with one simple program, no matter the iPhone (1,3g,3gs,4,4s,5,iPads bla bla bla) is killer....
The list goes on and on...
Why am I still here? No Jailbreak for iPhone = boring iPhone and no lockscreen and tethering. And the Note 2 Screen is gorgeous..
I went to the ATT store... all androids there.. test them out... ALL OF THEM LAGGED... ALL OF THEM WITH 4.1 jelly bean... Picked up the note.. NO LAG! ok.. we can try this one out..
The S-pen is really useful and wonderful and that alone could make such a difference that would put the iPhone to shame... and I really want that to happen, but I wish that android would get its act together and made it possible to upgrade the OS and work on the simple things first... Its like if Google never ever used an iPhone.
Sorry.. I had to vent this. I wish android fixed this issues and it would become a huge progress and would destroy the iPhone... In the meantime... it will still feel like a second class product.

Sounds like you really haven't put any time into customizing your phone. All of what you are talking about is very easily achieved. And who needs factory updates when Samsung actively encourages you to get roms. Unlike apple who will crucify you for even saying the word jailbreak
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R1deTheLight said:
Sounds like you really haven't put any time into customizing your phone. All of what you are talking about is very easily achieved. And who needs factory updates when Samsung actively encourages you to get roms. Unlike apple who will crucify you for even saying the word jailbreak
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LOL he said all the android devices lagged, i doubt the optimius g lagged the gs3 or the htc one x+ lagged

Andrew149 said:
LOL he said all the android devices lagged, i doubt the optimius g lagged the gs3 or the htc one x+ lagged
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Also never base anything on the display models. Those things have weird custom display software that att makes for them. And they go through hell every day with hundreds of people ****ing with them
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I can't believe you are comparing an iphone which is JAILBROKEN to a stock Android device. Do you really think that's a fair comparison?
I loved BiteSMS on the iphone, but I was the only person I knew who had it. Why? Because it's not in the appstore! How come you don't blame Apple for not including all those awesome features you refer to in the stock firmware? The funny thing is you can't even say "there's an app for that" because none of the stuff you mentioned can be bought through legitimate means.
The iphone does a lot of things well, even when it's stock. The "features" you miss though 95% of iphone users never had or have to begin with. Your complaint list is completely unfair and I'm surprised you didn't realize that as you were typing all that out.
There are some legitimate gripes, don't get me wrong. The one that really bothers me is carrier control over devices. ATT should be slapped down as well as the rest of the carriers. Google has the power to do so and they should exercise it.

Go SMS pro is free and has the pop up in line reply for texts. I tried to break the logic for when a text is read and unread, couldn't get it to break. (No root required)
One thing HTC did good was lock screen support. I used a "productivity" lock screen that showed calendar notices on the lock screen. It also showed missed text, email, calls etc. It worked great. (No root required on Sense)
I use Nova Prime (was $0.25 not that long ago), the badges work great, and for more apps than TouchWiz launcher. (No root required)
I don't care for the voice control of Google Now. What I like is knowing traffic is bad before I leave. Other cards that give me info I will need, but don't have to ask for.
Widget locker lets you do all sorts of lock screen customization, without root.
Then there is CM/AOKP. Lock screen calendar built in, pop up text reply built in with correct logic, all sorts of customization.
When I think about my time with iPhone, the only jailbreak thing that was easier than unrooted stock android was pirating apps. (Something I don't advocate or miss). Far more apps are legitimately free on android. And with every jailbreak tweak the system became more unstable, and slow. Any iPhone upgrades to the next version of iOS was slow enough, when adding jailbreak on too of that it was unusable to me. For me jailbrake still had a big component of trial and error to find a good mix of what I want. Android is the same, you get out what you put in. It will take some work, and Googling into all hours of the night to find the right set of apps to do what you want, but you have much more power over your experience in Android. Then, with custom ROMs its even more.
All that said ... if you want an iPhone get one. Don't mistake this for "don't let the door hit you on the way out." I've been on xda for a while, and seen a lot of people come and go. Generally I have seen the people that come in saying how much android is harder to customize, and easier jailbreak was, go back to the iPhone. You only get 14 days (instead of the old 30) to make a choice that may haunt you for 18 months. Make the right one for you. Its better to be happy with your choice and device than to be stuck on a platform you don't like because others tell you its better. Android is the right choice for ME. TouchWiz is the right choice for ME. The Note II is the right device for ME. Ultimately you need to make that choice for you, its your phone, and you will be the one using it every day.
Sent from my Note ][

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Hmm... how should I start...
Note 2/Android deals terribly with missed calls, texts and emails
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Sorry.. I had to vent this. I wish android fixed this issues and it would become a huge progress and would destroy the iPhone... In the meantime... it will still feel like a second class product.
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Not sure what planet you live on but I disagree with everything you state.
I am familiar with the apps/features you mention on the iPhone since I owned the iPhone, iPhone 3g, and Iphone 4s which I used extensively at work, traveling, backpacking, motorcycling, etc., etc.
Also I've been comparing my Note2 with my wife's new iPhone 5 her work purchased for her...and there really is no comparison.
Her prior phone was the BB Curve 2 and I thought she is going to be blown away as a new iphone user...I about died when she said "I'm not impressed...thought the screen would be more useable/bigger".
Apple has lost their creativity which saddens me because I actually used the original MAC in the '80s to develop manufacturing software AND I own a ton of AAPL stock.
I certainly understand and agree the iPhone may be better suited for certain types of people and obviously MANY like it...that's fine but your rant is over the top and based on old, wornout statements.
Just my opinion.

quarlow said:
Go SMS pro is free and has the pop up in line reply for texts. I tried to break the logic for when a text is read and unread, couldn't get it to break. (No root required)
One thing HTC did good was lock screen support. I used a "productivity" lock screen that showed calendar notices on the lock screen. It also showed missed text, email, calls etc. It worked great. (No root required on Sense)
I use Nova Prime (was $0.25 not that long ago), the badges work great, and for more apps than TouchWiz launcher. (No root required)
I don't care for the voice control of Google Now. What I like is knowing traffic is bad before I leave. Other cards that give me info I will need, but don't have to ask for.
Widget locker lets you do all sorts of lock screen customization, without root.
Then there is CM/AOKP. Lock screen calendar built in, pop up text reply built in with correct logic, all sorts of customization.
When I think about my time with iPhone, the only jailbreak thing that was easier than unrooted stock android was pirating apps. (Something I don't advocate or miss). Far more apps are legitimately free on android. And with every jailbreak tweak the system became more unstable, and slow. Any iPhone upgrades to the next version of iOS was slow enough, when adding jailbreak on too of that it was unusable to me. For me jailbrake still had a big component of trial and error to find a good mix of what I want. Android is the same, you get out what you put in. It will take some work, and Googling into all hours of the night to find the right set of apps to do what you want, but you have much more power over your experience in Android. Then, with custom ROMs its even more.
All that said ... if you want an iPhone get one. Don't mistake this for "don't let the door hit you on the way out." I've been on xda for a while, and seen a lot of people come and go. Generally I have seen the people that come in saying how much android is harder to customize, and easier jailbreak was, go back to the iPhone. You only get 14 days (instead of the old 30) to make a choice that may haunt you for 18 months. Make the right one for you. Its better to be happy with your choice and device than to be stuck on a platform you don't like because others tell you its better. Android is the right choice for ME. TouchWiz is the right choice for ME. The Note II is the right device for ME. Ultimately you need to make that choice for you, its your phone, and you will be the one using it every day.
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1000 times this

R1deTheLight said:
Sounds like you really haven't put any time into customizing your phone. All of what you are talking about is very easily achieved. And who needs factory updates when Samsung actively encourages you to get roms. Unlike apple who will crucify you for even saying the word jailbreak
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By all means... I wish to solve all of those issues and be happy with my Android!... Why do you think I am here?
ROMs usually do NOT have all the features unless they are based on the stock roms.. Ports like CM10 and the such will loose most of the S-pen features if not all.
I don't get why people can't get criticism from the things they like... all it will do in the future is make a better product... If you think its all mighty and perfect, there is nothing to fix... Nothing new to add... it will be stale.
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Andrew149 said:
LOL he said all the android devices lagged, i doubt the optimius g lagged the gs3 or the htc one x+ lagged
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HTC One X+ was the one that lagged the most...
S3 that comes here with the crap dragon lagged to hell
Note 2... not a single hiccup... hence why I got it... Besides I wanted the biggest one I could find... I really wanted a phablet.
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andrawer said:
Not sure what planet you live on but I disagree with everything you state.
I am familiar with the apps/features you mention on the iPhone since I owned the iPhone, iPhone 3g, and Iphone 4s which I used extensively at work, traveling, backpacking, motorcycling, etc., etc.
Also I've been comparing my Note2 with my wife's new iPhone 5 her work purchased for her...and there really is no comparison.
Her prior phone was the BB Curve 2 and I thought she is going to be blown away as a new iphone user...I about died when she said "I'm not impressed...thought the screen would be more useable/bigger".
Apple has lost their creativity which saddens me because I actually used the original MAC in the '80s to develop manufacturing software AND I own a ton of AAPL stock.
I certainly understand and agree the iPhone may be better suited for certain types of people and obviously MANY like it...that's fine but your rant is over the top and based on old, wornout statements.
Just my opinion.
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To quote Steve Jobs:
This phone is 5 years ahead of any phone in the market....
Its been 5 years and phones are catching up... but... until the simplicities aren't take care off.... You will see more iPhones on the road than Notes or S3s.
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quarlow said:
Go SMS pro is free and has the pop up in line reply for texts. I tried to break the logic for when a text is read and unread, couldn't get it to break. (No root required)
One thing HTC did good was lock screen support. I used a "productivity" lock screen that showed calendar notices on the lock screen. It also showed missed text, email, calls etc. It worked great. (No root required on Sense)
I use Nova Prime (was $0.25 not that long ago), the badges work great, and for more apps than TouchWiz launcher. (No root required)
I don't care for the voice control of Google Now. What I like is knowing traffic is bad before I leave. Other cards that give me info I will need, but don't have to ask for.
Widget locker lets you do all sorts of lock screen customization, without root.
Then there is CM/AOKP. Lock screen calendar built in, pop up text reply built in with correct logic, all sorts of customization.
When I think about my time with iPhone, the only jailbreak thing that was easier than unrooted stock android was pirating apps. (Something I don't advocate or miss). Far more apps are legitimately free on android. And with every jailbreak tweak the system became more unstable, and slow. Any iPhone upgrades to the next version of iOS was slow enough, when adding jailbreak on too of that it was unusable to me. For me jailbrake still had a big component of trial and error to find a good mix of what I want. Android is the same, you get out what you put in. It will take some work, and Googling into all hours of the night to find the right set of apps to do what you want, but you have much more power over your experience in Android. Then, with custom ROMs its even more.
All that said ... if you want an iPhone get one. Don't mistake this for "don't let the door hit you on the way out." I've been on xda for a while, and seen a lot of people come and go. Generally I have seen the people that come in saying how much android is harder to customize, and easier jailbreak was, go back to the iPhone. You only get 14 days (instead of the old 30) to make a choice that may haunt you for 18 months. Make the right one for you. Its better to be happy with your choice and device than to be stuck on a platform you don't like because others tell you its better. Android is the right choice for ME. TouchWiz is the right choice for ME. The Note II is the right device for ME. Ultimately you need to make that choice for you, its your phone, and you will be the one using it every day.
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Widget locker is a program and is not a lockscreen... The program disables the lockscreen and the program activates itself...
First in lower mem (not applicable here) phones it LAGS to hell... you will always see the desktop THEN widget locker. Same goes with Executive Assistant...it got to the point where it wouldn't unlock.
I haven't tried the latest ones and this was a year ago with a craprocket that I bought and I hated it. Went to the 4S when the jailbreak came out and I was a happy camper... Again.. as I have said before.. I got tired of the same thing... of the lack of new interesting things to do with a new phone... Specially without jailbreak. I do play around with the phone and this is one of the things that I like about Android.
XDA Community for android doesn't exist for any other platform...and that simply is a bonus...
Why do I want updates?
4.2 brings some good lockscreen features and I want to try those... There might be a port... but... it might not have all the functions it would have if it where stock.
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quarlow said:
Go SMS pro is free and has the pop up in line reply for texts. I tried to break the logic for when a text is read and unread, couldn't get it to break. (No root required)
One thing HTC did good was lock screen support. I used a "productivity" lock screen that showed calendar notices on the lock screen. It also showed missed text, email, calls etc. It worked great. (No root required on Sense)
I use Nova Prime (was $0.25 not that long ago), the badges work great, and for more apps than TouchWiz launcher. (No root required)
I don't care for the voice control of Google Now. What I like is knowing traffic is bad before I leave. Other cards that give me info I will need, but don't have to ask for.
Widget locker lets you do all sorts of lock screen customization, without root.
Then there is CM/AOKP. Lock screen calendar built in, pop up text reply built in with correct logic, all sorts of customization.
When I think about my time with iPhone, the only jailbreak thing that was easier than unrooted stock android was pirating apps. (Something I don't advocate or miss). Far more apps are legitimately free on android. And with every jailbreak tweak the system became more unstable, and slow. Any iPhone upgrades to the next version of iOS was slow enough, when adding jailbreak on too of that it was unusable to me. For me jailbrake still had a big component of trial and error to find a good mix of what I want. Android is the same, you get out what you put in. It will take some work, and Googling into all hours of the night to find the right set of apps to do what you want, but you have much more power over your experience in Android. Then, with custom ROMs its even more.
All that said ... if you want an iPhone get one. Don't mistake this for "don't let the door hit you on the way out." I've been on xda for a while, and seen a lot of people come and go. Generally I have seen the people that come in saying how much android is harder to customize, and easier jailbreak was, go back to the iPhone. You only get 14 days (instead of the old 30) to make a choice that may haunt you for 18 months. Make the right one for you. Its better to be happy with your choice and device than to be stuck on a platform you don't like because others tell you its better. Android is the right choice for ME. TouchWiz is the right choice for ME. The Note II is the right device for ME. Ultimately you need to make that choice for you, its your phone, and you will be the one using it every day.
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This is a post of don't let the door hit you on the way out...
Which is ridiculous... if you don't admit to your flaws you will not really know how to fix them...
I really dislike apple's wall garden and the tight grip they have on everything... I really find it annoying that they are suing everyone and the only way to make a real statement is not buy another product of theirs.. but if the community CAN'T take a simple critic about simplicities that DON'T work and you can argue it does... out of the box it doesn't and modded at best it partially works, we will never get the product we wish for.
If lag was never an issue, why does project butter exist and why do people welcomed the update? I am sure that if all the things that I have stated where fixed, everyone would be happier with their android.
I wanted more a 5.5" phone than an iPhone, hence why I got this one... I also wanted a fast phone that didn't lag. I got this one which is decent.
Right now I am using the Jedi Rom which is very nice and Apex Launcher which solves somewhat most of my issues with the badges... But there are still hiccups and there are still unread message counts that are read from time to time and only a reboot fixes the issue. Does anyone think that is ACCEPTABLE?
GOSMS is freaking ugly and laggy... sorry...
Fluidity was one of the things I really liked about launcher pro but that program hasn't been updated in years. Badges had huge hiccups. Badges is one of the things that once you get used to it, specially after 5 years, its hard to get unused to it.
What about visual voicemail on the STOCK Phone app? its nice to be able to deal with all your call's needs right on the phone app. No, we need to go to a separate app to just deal with voicemails...
You people should use an iPhone for a good while to see how simply it works on everyday stuff...
Don't get me started on Tap economy. Android requires too many more taps than iPhone to do just about the same thing.
All of the things that I have said... can be fixed... I had a LOT more complaints about android that were fixed with ICS and Jellybean, hence why I am back.
Things CAN be fixed and I bet they are fixing them.. but post like these is what makes their todo list bigger with newer updates.
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andrawer said:
Not sure what planet you live on but I disagree with everything you state.
I am familiar with the apps/features you mention on the iPhone since I owned the iPhone, iPhone 3g, and Iphone 4s which I used extensively at work, traveling, backpacking, motorcycling, etc., etc.
Also I've been comparing my Note2 with my wife's new iPhone 5 her work purchased for her...and there really is no comparison.
Her prior phone was the BB Curve 2 and I thought she is going to be blown away as a new iphone user...I about died when she said "I'm not impressed...thought the screen would be more useable/bigger".
Apple has lost their creativity which saddens me because I actually used the original MAC in the '80s to develop manufacturing software AND I own a ton of AAPL stock.
I certainly understand and agree the iPhone may be better suited for certain types of people and obviously MANY like it...that's fine but your rant is over the top and based on old, wornout statements.
Just my opinion.
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If you don't agree with them... prove me wrong... we are all here to debate... If I am wrong, it means that my issue can be solved... which is what I want... I am not here to just complain, its also a way of looking for solutions... but this is also a perspective on why iphone lovers hate android. Wasn't samsung mocking android owners? Isn't Samsung trying to Snitch iPhone users? This is the way... fixing stuff. If an iPhone owner comes to all this broken OS, they will really go back. I have the opportunity to fix them and I don't mind fiddling with code and decoding and coding APKs if need be. I like to do all that.

Dude, its not android users not taking criticism, youre just *****ing about things you can fix easily. Like I said, you have not spent any REAL time trying to figure things out. Besides this phone just came out. Give the dev community a minute and I guarantee things you never even knew you wanted will become a reality.

To root or not to root.

It's been a few years since I've had an Android phone. All my past phones I've rooted, for various reasons. Most of them involved custom kernels, themes, and Cyanogenmod. What are some of the best reasons to root, and best reasons to stay stock?
If I root, I'll need to return my phone to Verizon and order one from Google, or wait and hope someone unlocks the bootloader. Either way I'm returning it for the 128GB version.
Thoughts?

The main reason I root my device is for Adaway so I can block ads with the HOSTS file at a global level (no ads in apps, yay!). Heck, I already have the bootloader unlocked, don't care if it breaks Android Pay (don't use it anyways other then to store my rewards cards information) and waiting for cf to work his magic on getting root working on this sexy device.
Down side of rooting is that you don't get the updates that gets pushed out unless you do it yourself (that and no Android Pay if that's something you use like I said above).
In terms of keeping the Verizon version or getting the Google Play version, if it was me, I'd get the Google Play version (which is what I did, second time I've gotten a phone outside of Verizon so they can't control my device). Although I'm sure after enough time someone could probably crack the bootloader but you never know.

I root for many reasons. Prominent among them is the ability to change the colors of the UI. White backgrounds are hard on my eyes and so over the years I have used CMTE, Layers, TBO, and now Substratum to change to darker backgrounds. Some apps have a dark mode you can use without root, but many do not. Root opens up a whole new dimension of customizations not only in appearance but also in performance.

scsa20 said:
In terms of keeping the Verizon version or getting the Google Play version, if it was me, I'd get the Google Play version (which is what I did, second time I've gotten a phone outside of Verizon so they can't control my device). Although I'm sure after enough time someone could probably crack the bootloader but you never know.
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If I root, I'll need to return my phone to Verizon and order one from Google, or wait and hope someone unlocks the bootloader. Either way I'm returning it for the 128GB version.
Thoughts?
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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?

ringochan said:
I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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Probably because of the discounted 2 year or monthly payment option. Some smart people still have smaller budgets or wives who wouldn't understand laying out $800 - $1000 to replace a phone just because you want to root. Those people hope someone will figure out a way to unlock and root. I've got the money but my wife would go ballistic
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With all due respect, buying a google phone without rooting and tinkering with it is like going to michelin starred restaurant to pay $100 for a glass of water. Oh, and my reasons are the freedom of customizability and custom kernels, custom kernels can make your phone twice as fast with even better battery life if done right.

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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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I didn't got it through Verizon. I said I got it through the Google Store (thus the outside of Verizon part). Screw getting phones through Verizon. Hate that they forced locked down bootloader's.

herandy said:
With all due respect, buying a google phone without rooting and tikering with it is like going to michelin starred restaurant to pay $100 for a glass of water. Oh, and my reasons are the freedom of customizability and custom kernels, custom kernels can make your phone twice as fast with even better battery life if done right.
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That was true with Nexus phones. The Pixel is being marketed as something else entirely. I think we'll be hard pressed to see any real gains from devs here. Google is putting a lot of work into these phones. I trust the minds at Google this time moreso than the devs on here.

Nitemare3219 said:
That was true with Nexus phones. The Pixel is being marketed as something else entirely. I think we'll be hard pressed to see any real gains from devs here. Google is putting a lot of work into these phones. I trust the minds at Google this time moreso than the devs on here.
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I'm not impressed with the "minds" at Google.
For me to pay that kind of price, I need, at least 5.75" screen, front stereo speakers, higher degree of water proofing. Also, to echo a famous quote : "White UIs must die!" And those bezels! Ugh!
Google assistant is nearly useless to those of us who prefer not to publicly audibilize our searches. So all I would gain would be a snappier OS and a first rate camera. Too many cons outweigh the pros. I wish Google and the sort of folks that they appear to be targeting all the best. I also hope there is much Dev activity for it.

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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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Ease of access, availability, no need for an application for financing, the expectation that someone will crack the bootloader, buying in a no tax state.

wtherrell said:
I'm not impressed with the "minds" at Google.
For me to pay that kind of price, I need, at least 5.75" screen, front stereo speakers, higher degree of water proofing. Also, to echo a famous quote : "White UIs must die!" And those bezels! Ugh!
Google assistant is nearly useless to those of us who prefer not to publicly audibilize our searches. So all I would gain would be a snappier OS and a first rate camera. Too many cons outweigh the pros. I wish Google and the sort of folks that they appear to be targeting all the best. I also hope there is much Dev activity for it.
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-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).

Nitemare3219 said:
-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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I do hope they tweak it later to allow typing to the assistant like Allo but I guess then it's not a whole lot different than typing in the search bar anyways.

Nitemare3219 said:
-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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Good points. I'm glad you trust the uncaring public. I, however, don't. I guess I am just slightly paranoid that way. Also there are many situations where it might disturb other folks to have me gabbing on my phone. Sure, assistant is neat but just not worth it to me. Still, I find myself checking on the availability of the 128gb model as if I am irresistibly drawn to it. My heart wants it but my head is saying no.

There's every reason to root, and only one reason to not root.
Reasons to root:
Kernel modifications to increase battery life. (Sure the Pixel can go 2 days easily on one charge, but why not make it 3?).
Filesystem access. The heart of any computer should at the very least give you filesystem access. It boggles the mind why phones won't give this option when this is a computer that you carry with you every day. Maybe you want to write your own apps, hide personal files somewhere outside of the visible directories like Downloads.
Breaking down barriers carriers put forth to limit you in a walled garden. Whatever it may be. Video codecs for example. Open source media servers that aren't approved on the app stores, I can go on and on.
Only reason to not root:
Android Pay. I absolutely love this ability. I personally think that you SHOULD be able to use this option while rooted. Using SU app, and encryption of your card should be enough to protect your card information. (Don't say it can't because it can.) Rooted apps cannot work unless you give them access via the SU app as added security, and even if they manage to grab your encrypted card information because you allowed some program you've never heard of root access and it steals your encrypted account information, it would take them 1 million years to brute force decrypt it if using a high enough encryption scheme on it. You can just change your virtual account on a whim, and do so ever 6 months, cancelling your old account in case it was ever grabbed making the old one null and void for the hacker if he does eventually get lucky and break it. Your account will never get owned if these practices were followed.
Blatently not allowing you choice to use something like android pay is big brother coddling you like a baby. I'm a grown ass man, and know how to secure my ****. If you don't know how to, then you shouldn't be doing it as your the reason Google puts these sort of restrictions on phones like mine.

MichaelMcC said:
Probably because of the discounted 2 year or monthly payment option. Some smart people still have smaller budgets or wives who wouldn't understand laying out $800 - $1000 to replace a phone just because you want to root. Those people hope someone will figure out a way to unlock and root. I've got the money but my wife would go ballistic
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You are actually confusing me more. I checked both Verizon and Google Store's pricings and financing options and saw they are pretty much the same.
Verizon -- $0 Down (for qualified customers) $36.24/mo for 24 months; 0% APR Retail Price: $869.99 -- sim locked maybe?, and locked bootloader.
Google Store -- $869.00 or $36.21 / Month x 24 times, thru Google Store Financing -- sim free, and unlockable bootloader.
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I didn't got it through Verizon. I said I got it through the Google Store (thus the outside of Verizon part). Screw getting phones through Verizon. Hate that they forced locked down bootloader's.
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Exactly!:laugh:
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Ease of access, availability, no need for an application for financing, the expectation that someone will crack the bootloader, buying in a no tax state.
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nikitis said:
There's every reason to root, and only one reason to not root.
Reasons to root:
Kernel modifications to increase battery life. (Sure the Pixel can go 2 days easily on one charge, but why not make it 3?).
Filesystem access. The heart of any computer should at the very least give you filesystem access. It boggles the mind why phones won't give this option when this is a computer that you carry with you every day. Maybe you want to write your own apps, hide personal files somewhere outside of the visible directories like Downloads.
Breaking down barriers carriers put forth to limit you in a walled garden. Whatever it may be. Video codecs for example. Open source media servers that aren't approved on the app stores, I can go on and on.
Only reason to not root:
Android Pay. I absolutely love this ability. I personally think that you SHOULD be able to use this option while rooted. Using SU app, and encryption of your card should be enough to protect your card information. (Don't say it can't because it can.) Rooted apps cannot work unless you give them access via the SU app as added security, and even if they manage to grab your encrypted card information because you allowed some program you've never heard of root access and it steals your encrypted account information, it would take them 1 million years to brute force decrypt it if using a high enough encryption scheme on it. You can just change your virtual account on a whim, and do so ever 6 months, cancelling your old account in case it was ever grabbed making the old one null and void for the hacker if he does eventually get lucky and break it. Your account will never get owned if these practices were followed.
Blatently not allowing you choice to use something like android pay is big brother coddling you like a baby. I'm a grown ass man, and know how to secure my ****. If you don't know how to, then you shouldn't be doing it as your the reason Google puts these sort of restrictions on phones like mine.
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More reasons to root:
o backup and restore apk and data anytime.
o nandroid backup for ability to test things.
o custom roms for obvious reasons.
o exposed anyone?
o ability to upgrade to new os versions even after phone makers stopped supporting the devices.
o to satisfy the addictive urge to flash every week!
The SafetyNet is a great threat for most of us here. Some apps, including Android Pay, won't run anymore. If more apps start utilizing the system, we won't be able to enjoy our phones and everyone will be migrating to the Appleland:crying: