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I believe that I have read somwhere in this forum that there is a update/upgrade for the camera on blue angel which helps get clearer pics. I have done a search but can not find it. My actual version is2.21 Build 17084.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ERK_Patches_13x
So anybody tested them?
Does it make any difference..........i mean, there is from the starting point not so much to expect from a vga camera :?
I currently have 2.21 17084
Thanks for your quick reply! I just don't understand what this means:
"Note this is a higher build than but lower version than"
Which one is the latest/better version. Which one should I get for my blue angel, Fix_camera18157.sa.cab or Camera patch 10080401? I have camera version 2.21 build17084?
Do I just install the cab from the blue angel?
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"Note this is a higher build than but lower version than"
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I suppose it should have said
"Note this is a higher Version than the one above, but a lower build"
And yes, .cab files are just copied to the PPC and executet for installation. Note that the .cab file will delete itself on installation
Thank you! It did help quiet a bit. The pictures are sharper now
Xda II
hey guys.....
is there something like this for xda II as well ?
regards
jeetz
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Thank you! It did help quiet a bit. The pictures are sharper now
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so which cab file you did you get?
I just tested them both.
Now this is a mini test on only a few pics. in bad light, and a minimal difference on the pictures, but i found the 2.11 (Build 18157) to be just a ini mini little bit better, but in no way the same quality as you se on screen.
Anybody got an explanation on why its much better on screen (just with the camera active) than the actual picture that comes out of it??
For me it seems quite unlogical that the lens can capture a much better quality to put on the screen, but ones you take the picture the quality is much whorse.
How does this makes sence?
so which cab file you did you get?
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I got this cab file: Camera patch 10080401
Anybody got an explanation on why its much better on screen (just with the camera active) than the actual picture that comes out of it??
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Maybe it's to do with the encoding?
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Maybe it's to do with the encoding?
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Yep, but why the h... not fiks it so it uses the lens full capasati.
Im beginning to get a bit frustrated over using so much money on a device thats not even finished.
I gotta say, that if SonyEricsson comes with a new P900 type of device thats more like the BA, i will consider turning back to Symbian.
Symbian has its own troubbles, but they are very productive when it comes to updates and getting things fixed, which definantly is not the case with HTC/Microsoft and probbably the 5000 companies they outsource to
Well I went form the P900 to the MDAIII, only since I got it free.
The P900 is a VERY nice phone, its small gives you addresses in and not just phone numbers, has a lot of good apps and when I go out I still use it due to the size.
The MDAIII, well its a PPC, and thanks to this forum you can infact fix a few of the issues like the language. Its far form perfect but its one hell of a toy if you want to waste time palying with it and trying to work out how to make it better.
I think it all about maket share, what is the point of having a PDA as a phone with a 5meg camera all in one unit if you can sell all three.
The technolagy is around, look at the Sony cameras. Shame but what can we do as the differences between men and boys remains the price of their toys.
Ha ha ha, I know MDAIIIUser........
It's just that I use it also as a tool in my business.
I have a lot of tools, and if one of them don't work as it's suppose to, it's just right back in their the next second.
I get no mercy when I'm out on a job, everyone don't get any mercy when they are on a job. If it's not finished........Well you simply just don't get the money. If it's not made by the regulations, you get a ticket to the court room, and don't expect it to anything else for you than cost a hell of a lot of money.
So you see, it's bugs me quite a bit that i buy a device at this price that’s not finished. There are major software troubles on it, making the phone part useless from time to time.
It's sold as BT compatible, what BT compatibility are they talking about??? Everyone is having trouble with it no matter what headset they are connecting to.
It don’t even have the most basic function found in every single phone sold world wide, a button lock that actually locks the device. I was sure that it was something I missed, just couldn’t believe that it weren’t in there.
And I don’t care if this is a PDA/Phone and not a Phone/PDA, they can’t be that thick in their heads that they don’t see this.
The hardware is bad, it’s getting more and more loose every day, the sliding keyboard is soon to become an auto sliding keyboard. Just hold it vertical and it will slide down all by itself.
I had the whole outer case replaced because the stylus was sliding out by itself. Now about 3 weeks later it’s so loose that it in the next week or so will be completely loose again. Then it’s in to service once again, me not having my tool which I spend a good amount of money on software for business use. Back to paper and then by hand doing the job in the office.
Now I’m guessing that this will happen again, that being the 3’rd time. Then it’s a full refund by law, and if the software isn’t ready at that time, I will claim a full refund or else ill just hand it over to my attorney. Buy a laptop for the car, a P900 again and then the irritation is over, and I can work in peace and quite.
The screen occasionally makes a high frequent sound when I’m talking in it, making it quite difficult to concentrate on the conversation. Unfortunately they didn’t have any new screens on stock when it was repaired the last time……….
I had absolutely no hopes for the camera when I got it, as I said earlier, what’s to expect of a VGA camera, and I don’t care, even though it would be nice to actually have one that could produce something just a little bit useful.
If I where the IT responsible person in a big company, I certainly wouldn’t recommend the boss to get 50 of these, the work load and support needed is simply just too much.
And all that said, ill properly end up with the MDA IV anyway *LOL* , what an idiot
Hum!!! Got out of bed on the wrong side or did wify have a headache??
Ok I admit the hardware is crap, my keyboard is auto eject at the momnet and the only thing I am REALY happy about is the fact that it has a metel case as I have dropped it (or was it threw it on the floor). My 5 yearl old girl has better developed teath than the BT on this thing. Yellow is a nice color if you realy like it but maybe not on a high depth screen. Don't even let me go down the rest, I will sound like you.
All I can hope for is the MDA 4 and that I get that one free as well. If its only to update wiki. Grin.
Thanks for your post put a big grin on my face.
Once there was a book "101 uses for a dead cat". Maybe we should start a thread for the BlueAngel:
101 uses for a dead BlueAngle
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and hope that NOBODY postes the paper wheight idea.
Well let’s not take it all out on the phone.
I think it would be more fair to get that book out with the title “101 uses for a BA owners head”.
It’s going to be the worlds most paperless book ever sold :lol:
Well maybe we could get some highly respected brain schrinks expert opinion in there, then it at least would have one page, “I simply do not now”
Does anyone know of any radar detection program for windows mobile 6 ?
I'm talking of the radar that traffic department use to detect you speed on the road. I know gadgets exist that detect the devices and give you early warning. iv'e heard the nokia phones have such a program, does anyone know if one exists for windows mobile phones ?
Use TomTom or something similar....
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Use TomTom or something similar....
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Tomtom only warns you about the permanent cameras, it does not detect radar, laser or "instant on" radar signals!!!
Yes i am talking about the live instant radar devices. the guy standing on the side of the road with the radar cam.
NOT the permenent camara's.
I need the phone to beep and warn me when a radar device is in close proximity.
Oh God... you can't be serious...
Re the nokia phone, check here:
http://www.warp2search.net/contentt...ia_mobile_phone_as_a_police_radar_detect.html
It's been proven and proven again - it doesn't work... The only part of your phone I could see somebody trying to say would work is the IR receiver, but IR and RADAR are two ENTIRELY different things. And even if your phone could detect RADAR or Laser (which, again, none can) - you'd have to place the phone somewhere on your windshield to make it useful - and given the Hermes configuration, you'd have to have your phone horizontal... Even if it did work, I'd not want the thing sitting all goofy in my windshield.
With all due respect this is one of the goofier requests I've ever seen on here.
In other words - buy a radar detector... A half-way decent one can be had for under $60
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Oh God... you can't be serious...
Re the nokia phone, check here:
http://www.warp2search.net/contentt...ia_mobile_phone_as_a_police_radar_detect.html
It's been proven and proven again - it doesn't work... The only part of your phone I could see somebody trying to say would work is the IR receiver, but IR and RADAR are two ENTIRELY different things. And even if your phone could detect RADAR or Laser (which, again, none can) - you'd have to place the phone somewhere on your windshield to make it useful - and given the Hermes configuration, you'd have to have your phone horizontal... Even if it did work, I'd not want the thing sitting all goofy in my windshield.
With all due respect this is one of the goofier requests I've ever seen on here.
In other words - buy a radar detector... A half-way decent one can be had for under $60
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Few years ago tips how to show Netmonitor option in Nokias was sold on ebay as Rada detection thingy So this quastion is not that bad
Get a Valentine1, its way easier and actually works really well.
I had no idea, that this joke from early GSM will resurface again in PDAs. The only other popular GSM lamer-tester I know about was Polish invention of "marupy zwrotne" ~ "return/confirmation marupas" (yes, it makes no sense in Polish neither, but sounds... dumb and probable at the same time).
Do you know of any other gossip/fake GSM/PDA services that were used to joke of not-so-bright users?
Sorry, i think, that if you want to use the Hermes as radar detector, you can use it as microwave oven. The WiFi module works on 2,4 GHz like the oven too.
Exactly - the cheapest microwave oven in the world:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=przkFZJSkOc
(I hope it is not too well done - I still like my brain and would not like to cook it too soon
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Exactly - the cheapest microwave oven in the world:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=przkFZJSkOc
(I hope it is not too well done - I still like my brain and would not like to cook it too soon
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AHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Check this out: People are making organizations to protect their communities/cities/sites from cell phone towers because microwaves are so dangerous. Not only those people organize themselves using cell phones... but also complain about GSM network problems in their areas. THIS IS REALLY ridiculous...
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Check this out: People are making organizations to protect their communities/cities/sites from cell phone towers because microwaves are so dangerous. Not only those people organize themselves using cell phones... but also complain about GSM network problems in their areas. THIS IS REALLY ridiculous...
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Just the whole horror story about cell phone towers in residential places has no scientific basis at all. The same people scaremongering about this stuff are probably responsible for this one:
In scotland a plan to build a wind farm, 10 or so wind turbines, was refused due to concerns by the local community about the risk of radiation!?!?!?! WTF!!!!!
Besides the mobile phone<->tumor thing has been disproven many times by (independant) scientific study, the public always go along with these STUPID rumours.
Of course it's stupid as hell. Why those people still use TV sets (after all CRT and plasmas are quite effective x-rays lamps), electric engine-based household devices (this is really powerful electromagnetic source) and microwave ovens (that in fact are causing problems with WLAN and some cell phone devices). And what about those electric cables in the walls? Slightly exaggerating those are giant antennas emitting 50/60Hz waves at very high power.
So if you (the reader, not mrvanx of course) are anti-cell phone tower activist, start with canceling you contract with company that delivers power to your house. Then we can continue talking.
jakubd said:
Exactly - the cheapest microwave oven in the world:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=przkFZJSkOc
(I hope it is not too well done - I still like my brain and would not like to cook it too soon
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check that my friend, that was more profi
http://www.snotr.com/video/1236
jakubd said:
I had no idea, that this joke from early GSM will resurface again in PDAs. The only other popular GSM lamer-tester I know about was Polish invention of "marupy zwrotne" ~ "return/confirmation marupas" (yes, it makes no sense in Polish neither, but sounds... dumb and probable at the same time).
Do you know of any other gossip/fake GSM/PDA services that were used to joke of not-so-bright users?
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Remember the email that said you could unlock any car that used a remote keyless system?
http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/keyless.asp
the original point
regarding the RADAR guns that law enforcments use...
(i know about this i have 11 points on my license (3 have already come off once) and done the speed aware ness corse)
i do beleive they use a few different devices and on different frequancies, the devices you have in your car dont always detect the RADAR and they also change progressivly so you would need to keep buying the latests detectors... not to mention if you are speeding and your detector (even your phone is you got it to work (not likely)) picks up a signal and warns you... its already hit you the gun already knows how fast your traveling and its all too late!!
there are devices that emit a scramble frequancy and the copper will just get ERR on the gun but again they change the frequancy or method (lasers or RADAR) and your still boned and in UK if your caught with one of them you can then be prosicuted for preventing the corse of justice...
all in all its not worth it... the Tom Toms and the likes have notifacations for fixed cameras and 'black spots' were there is offten coppers park (this doesnt mean they wont change spots and they might never be there as you drive past but thought it was worth a mention)
If you want to find radars open your nostrils... They usualy smell like onions...
Cheers and good luck.
brandenk said:
Get a Valentine1, its way easier and actually works really well.
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Wow That's So Cool Can U Upload A CabFile? Cant Wait To Try It On My Hermes At The Next Police Barricade!
-pvs
P.S.: Yes, I'm kidding!
pvs said:
Wow That's So Cool Can U Upload A CabFile? Cant Wait To Try It On My Hermes At The Next Police Barricade!
-pvs
P.S.: Yes, I'm kidding!
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Join the force... You will know exactely where they are located LOL LOL LOL
Cheers.
Uses for a disconnected Vogue (no CDMA)???
I haven't got too many ideas... I'm hoping you folks will contribute something fun. I don't like any of the ideas much... I'll list why in parentheses.
- "Regular" PDA (I have a dedicated PDA that I like better).
- GPS (Needs too much tweaking, and lots of resets... no net on the go).
- Handheld photo album (A bit of a waste of hardware).
- Game Platform (Can't say I've found a lot of good games for it).
- Movie player (It's usually pretty sluggish for this).
- Music player (Not bad, but I don't have an adapter for standard headphones).
- Camera (Ok, it's small... but kind of crappy).
- Paperweight / conversation piece / cudgel (best idea yet).
Ok, so obviously I'm looking for input.
Does anyone have a few suggestions of other uses for this $400 skipping stone?
How can I re-map the send key so that it doesn't open the dialer (and maybe remove some of the other "phone" features)?
How about changing the ESN and etc. to match that of another phone of mine so that I can use it with my present provider???
Sell it... That's probably the best you can get out of it if you already have a phone and a PDA...
Sounds like a pretty dumb question considering you just listed all the things these are devices are good for.
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Sell it... That's probably the best you can get out of it if you already have a phone and a PDA...
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I wish I could.
I'm sure it can be unlocked for use on another carrier, but Telus will no longer accept its ESN from myself or any customer (a very long and bitter story, but also boring so forget it).
More importantly, there's no market for it in my location and it's pretty remote so shipping is usually a deal-breaker.
To be honest, if I could get a Diamond, I'd toss this thing off of a very high cliff and be happy. I'd be out $400 (and whatever the Diamond costs), but I'd be satisfied.
That's not going to happen, so I'm brainstorming ways to put the thing to work for me. I'd love to have it working as a phone again, but Bell won't take it and they're my only option here. I'd use it as a webserver, but there's no WiFi.
See my problem? Still nobody with ideas?
hey man, what do you mean bell wont take it, are you saying they are actually refusing to activate on their network. ?
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hey man, what do you mean bell wont take it, are you saying they are actually refusing to activate on their network. ?
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Yes, precisely. It's a Telus-branded phone.
I would put it on ebay and sell it, because there might be someone here in the U.S. that might be able to use it on one of our carriers like Cricket or metroPCS.
I remember the first phone I bought, it had Telus Mobility on it....not sure what that was about...LOL..whats even funnier is that it was a Sprint branded phone...so you can see where i'm getting at.
The phone probably could be re-programmed to work for someone else. shipping may be costly but hey its either some money in your pocket or nothing at all but a door stopper 8)
Give it a try.
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I would put it on ebay and sell it, because there might be someone here in the U.S. that might be able to use it on one of our carriers like Cricket or metroPCS.
I remember the first phone I bought, it had Telus Mobility on it....not sure what that was about...LOL..whats even funnier is that it was a Sprint branded phone...so you can see where i'm getting at.
The phone probably could be re-programmed to work for someone else. shipping may be costly but hey its either some money in your pocket or nothing at all but a door stopper 8)
Give it a try.
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I got the "probably" thing figured out... right now it's in an unlocked state... ready to sell if need be.
I did figure out one good use that suites me... I loaded a 4gb card with http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/charity-news/wikipedia-for-schools.htm and some topo maps and a bunch of other information that I've collected over the years.
I shoved it and a few cards and cash into a sleeve, and now my wallet contains a calculator, dictionary/encyclopedia, maps, etc... Stuff that I find myself consulting when I'm out with my friends or on some kind of adventure. I'm still using my iPaq as a primary PDA, but it gets babied (it's used for work) and doesn't go with me when I'm out having fun.
My to-do's:
Remove the cube.
Remove some of the phone-related options.
Remap the send/end buttons.
Find more resources / better maps.
Hack in a standard headphone jack.
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or for offical specs here
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html
Shame about the processor....
It´s almost the same as my 2005 Universal....
Anyway it´s something to consider!
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TouchPro2 no Flash.
Just Stick to your TouchPro:
1. NO CAMERA FLASH:
To HTC... Accept the fact that we end-up relying to the phones
camera; Who wants to go to a PARTY!!! WhooooWho!!, Activity or
to anywhere.... ohhh! wait [email protected]*# WITH a Camera and a phone (2
devices to carry with).... VEEERY UNCOMFORTABLE it is, NO PARTY
WILL BE.
2. DON'T FALL FOR IT: Thinnnk!
They did this:
- Removed the TILT capabilities from the TouhPro, and added Flash (a mayor for decent pics).
- Removed the FLASH from TP2, and leaved same camera 3.2.
- Infra RED from tilt, ETC, ETC, ETC.
Whyyyy???? THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE....BECAUSE THEY WANTED US TO
BUY THE TP2, or in other words FORCED US to UPGRADE.
It is ALL well planed.
Besides the Bigger Screen, Dual Speakers, Dual Microphones and
the more stylish design IMO (None of them are reason for
upgrade), the only thing worth for an upgrade is the
integration and usability of the TouchFlo 3D that integrates
with the OS and overall apps "PEOPLE CENTRIC", VERY GOOD, and will help you avoid 3rd parties Apps.
but......
.... Thank GOD, Angels, and whoever you believe in, that
XDA-Developers exist, BECAUSE I will just STICK with my
TouchPRO and will Integrate the TP2 Software into my
device, until TP3, TP4 or until they stop playing or RUN
OUT of OPTIONS to MUCK US.
For those with a TILT... Just upgrade to TouchPRO, is worth it. It have same Procesor and Memory, and you will get it in a VERY GOOD PRICE.
For those with a TouchPRO ..... Stick with it and support XDA-Developers, and just modified it as YOU like it.
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OK just to let you know if you're comming from a tilt you DIDN'T have infrared or flash to begin with so they won't really be missed. I also want to point out that they are not needed. Tilt and Touch Pro are marketed as Business phones where you want to focus on texting and connection rather than "flashy" things like Pictures. that's why the Diamond 2 (the consumer version) has a much better camera.
Also, wtf is with "Besides the Bigger Screen, Dual Speakers, Dual Microphones and...None of them are reason for upgrade"
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Screen size is a major reason in upgrading. Like you said most of it's new M3D features will most likely be ported later but you can't port a screen's size and resolution also Dual speakers?? I don't even use my phone like a phone anymore I either have it on speaker or BT how can you say that doesn't matter. The Dual Mic. thing will only be cool if it works. Anyway that was my rant for the day....
I don't get all the negative vibes in the Rhodium forum?
So I have the device. Sitting right in front me at this moment. I also have the Touch Pro. I'd definately pick the Rhodium, you just have to see the screen to understand. It looks like it could eat an iPhone for breakfast. The back lighting under the keys is just wicked cool... all the keys are translucent on the sides but not on the top and the white led's light up the whole thing. Its fantastic.
I'll attach a panaromic shot I did of my very dim light kitchen. It came out incrediably.
Ahhh! Whatt? Think again, Think twice.
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OK just to let you know if you're comming from a tilt you DIDN'T have infrared or flash to begin with so they won't really be missed. I also want to point out that they are not needed. Tilt and Touch Pro are marketed as Business phones where you want to focus on texting and connection rather than "flashy" things like Pictures. that's why the Diamond 2 (the consumer version) has a much better camera.
Also, wtf is with "Besides the Bigger Screen, Dual Speakers, Dual Microphones and...None of them are reason for upgrade"
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Screen size is a major reason in upgrading. Like you said most of it's new M3D features will most likely be ported later but you can't port a screen's size and resolution also Dual speakers?? I don't even use my phone like a phone anymore I either have it on speaker or BT how can you say that doesn't matter. The Dual Mic. thing will only be cool if it works. Anyway that was my rant for the day....
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Just to appoint that they eliminated or "EXCLUDED" the IR from the tilt, REMEMBER 8525 HAD IT, then TILT did not, so there you have REMOVED.
Now in your favor it is OBVIOUS that the dual mic/speaker, screen etc. and everything they improved or redesigned is amazing.
NOW for the part of the FLASH and Infrared NOT BEING a business tool..... YOU ARE WROOOONG.
And I'll explain why; let's just say I was waiting for a shipment of CONTAINER with merchandise and most of it arrived damaged, A CAMERA IS NEEDED.
let's just say you are in a meeting low level light in the place and someone came with the idea of taking some pictures, you don't want to look like an idiot struggling with the stupid phone trying over and over to get the best shot, DON"T YOU THINK YOU NEED A FLASH? I'll answer that for you a MAAAAAAJOR YES.
JUST READ WHAT I posted again, and while you read, pay more attention to the essence, and if for some reason, I ate up words just because I'm a busy business man, and do not have time to eleborate, just focus, so you can get it right.
AND I WON'T continue giving examples of business situations where you would kill for a phone with a flash, or with IR because I won't be able to finish. OBviously your experience in BUSINESS is SHORT, by the look of your comments. YOU SOUND like a very and loved GOOD friend of mine, that his father spoiled all his life, and because of that he dares to say that the Iphone is a business phone too, JAAA!! I'm sorry for him.
Again your points of the upgrades they made are tempting me, and I would love to go through my docs and edit my contracts from that BIG screen, and also while business flight being able to watch a movie. But I just put everything up together in my mind, and still I won't buy a TP2 if they do not release it with a CAMERA FLASH. It's just not enough.
The WORST of ALL is KNOWING they are doing it on PURPOSE and BET YOUR LIFE they will next release a TouchPro 3 with the flash and even with an IR (so you can even use your phone as a remote, AND A BUNCH OF BUSINESS APPLICATIONS)
I think I explained my reasons in my previous post. That by the way I copied paste it everywhere without knowing I was violating the rules of the FORUM, so I'm really sorry, won't happen again.
Just can't stand HTC playing with everyone's heads.
Believe me never flashed a phone but if I have to in order to have my Fuze with the same productivity APPs in TP2, I WILL this TIME.
XDA will help me in the process.
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Just to appoint that they eliminated or "EXCLUDED" the IR from the tilt, REMEMBER 8525 HAD IT, then TILT did not, so there you have REMOVED.
Now in your favor it is OBVIOUS that the dual mic/speaker, screen etc. and everything they improved or redesigned is amazing.
NOW for the part of the FLASH and Infrared NOT BEING a business tool..... YOU ARE WROOOONG.
And I'll explain why; let's just say I was waiting for a shipment of CONTAINER with merchandise and most of it arrived damaged, A CAMERA IS NEEDED.
let's just say you are in a meeting low level light in the place and someone came with the idea of taking some pictures, you don't want to look like an idiot struggling with the stupid phone trying over and over to get the best shot, DON"T YOU THINK YOU NEED A FLASH? I'll answer that for you a MAAAAAAJOR YES.
JUST READ WHAT I posted again, and while you read, pay more attention to the essence, and if for some reason, I ate up words just because I'm a busy business man, and do not have time to eleborate, just focus, so you can get it right.
AND I WON'T continue giving examples of business situations where you would kill for a phone with a flash, or with IR because I won't be able to finish. OBviously your experience in BUSINESS is SHORT, by the look of your comments. YOU SOUND like a very and loved GOOD friend of mine, that his father spoiled all his life, and because of that he dares to say that the Iphone is a business phone too, JAAA!! I'm sorry for him.
Again your points of the upgrades they made are tempting me, and I would love to go through my docs and edit my contracts from that BIG screen, and also while business flight being able to watch a movie. But I just put everything up together in my mind, and still I won't buy a TP2 if they do not release it with a CAMERA FLASH. It's just not enough.
The WORST of ALL is KNOWING they are doing it on PURPOSE and BET YOUR LIFE they will next release a TouchPro 3 with the flash and even with an IR (so you can even use your phone as a remote, AND A BUNCH OF BUSINESS APPLICATIONS)
I think I explained my reasons in my previous post. That by the way I copied paste it everywhere without knowing I was violating the rules of the FORUM, so I'm really sorry, won't happen again.
Just can't stand HTC playing with everyone's heads.
Believe me never flashed a phone but if I have to in order to have my Fuze with the same productivity APPs in TP2, I WILL this TIME.
XDA will help me in the process.
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Wow, I have a couple things to say about that.
1. I was raised by a single mother and very NOT spoiled having to also take care of my younger bro. growing up...oh, what's a father??
2. Anyway you are still missing what I'm saying I'm not saying flash and IR are useless I'm saying if you are going from a TILT to a touch pro2 you won’t' miss a feature that you never had. Yes they removed it and it's probably because IR is old tech and flash is still considered consumer. Yes you can go on about how you can use it BUT the fact of the matter is that's what they consider it as. I'm not saying ME but HTC decided that. And the evidence is in their phones.
Next time you want to slam my knowledge of business actually read what I said (even though you said you read it twice) not once did I say that "People don't need this" or "People don't need that" I said "marketed" HTC has a way they market their phones whether you like it or not, it's just how they work. Also don't ever mention an Iphone to me. I hate apple with a passion
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I hear both sides of the argument and I must say that both you guys make valid points.
As a user of a Tilt, I must say I hate the fact that it does not have flash. The example of the damaged goods is a usual for me. And when it comes down to the business sense. I consider myself productive when I can take the pictures on my phone, directly e-mail it to the people responsible then wait 5 minutes, call and make noise right on site. But thats just me.
I love all the new features of the TP2. Trust me, from the big screen to the dual mic to the dual speakers, the M3D interface, and the illuminated keyboard. Whereas I'll continue to miss the flash, I'mma jump on this thing first chance I get. In terms of the IR, I mean this is aging technology. BT is taking over and it is equipped on this phone so I see no reason why they should not have removed it.
I don't know why HTC adds or removes certain things. I guess that its because they have a range of phones for different purposes and targeting different audiences. Hopefully one day will come when we can custom build our phone. Until that time, I think HTC is on track to making better built phones everytime.
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I hear both sides of the argument and I must say that both you guys make valid points.
As a user of a Tilt, I must say I hate the fact that it does not have flash. The example of the damaged goods is a usual for me. And when it comes down to the business sense. I consider myself productive when I can take the pictures on my phone, directly e-mail it to the people responsible then wait 5 minutes, call and make noise right on site. But thats just me.
I love all the new features of the TP2. Trust me, from the big screen to the dual mic to the dual speakers, the M3D interface, and the illuminated keyboard. Whereas I'll continue to miss the flash, I'mma jump on this thing first chance I get. In terms of the IR, I mean this is aging technology. BT is taking over and it is equipped on this phone so I see no reason why they should not have removed it.
I don't know why HTC adds or removes certain things. I guess that its because they have a range of phones for different purposes and targeting different audiences. Hopefully one day will come when we can custom build our phone. Until that time, I think HTC is on track to making better built phones everytime.
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from what I understand all the different radios like, wifi, BT, IR, 3g, etc...take up physical space in the phone and you can only make the phone so big. I'm sure HTC has a priority system on what they should have on the phone and it probably goes something like 3G, BT, Wifi, then IR and I think they only put IR if they possibly can and I'm sure a led light is lower than that. but I would like to see IR and a flash there are some pretty cool things that can be dones especially with an IR port.
the spec says the Rhodium has the qualcomm MSM 7200A CPU. The Rhodium phone I have got has a MSM 7600 CPU, handles both CDMA and GSM
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the spec says the Rhodium has the qualcomm MSM 7200A CPU. The Rhodium phone I have got has a MSM 7600 CPU, handles both CDMA and GSM
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where did you get it?? Also what bands does it support.
let me get this right.
this phone doesnt have a flash?
a dated processer too? is the processor better than the TP?
i agree stick with touch pro the next device i go for is not the tp2 i know now...Maybe a shift ...
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Ok so I will add my 2 cents, I had the Tilt and when I found out about the Touch HD, i couldnt wait to get my hands on it. I did, i like it and i have it but miss my keyboard dearly. The touch keypad is nice but its not like having physical keys.
I have had my touch HD for about 3 months and plan on putting it up on Ebay, keeping my Tilt and selling it on Ebay once the Touch Pro 2 comes out and getting it. I know the processor is smaller which is ALMOST a deal breaker, i dont have a flash on my camera now and dont really care but going down to a 3.15 meg cam from a 5 kinda sucks too but whatever. I like a keypad, "Gimme da keeeeys ill drive!!!"
Also how much slow down do you think i can expect coming from the 7201 processor to the 7200? Doenst seem like it would be much of a difference. Not a deal breaker thats for sure. The camera issue sucks but whatever im not big on pics really. Can someone tell me the diff between WAP 2.0/xHTML, and just HTML? Deal breaker? I know the HD is a much better phone but i really miss typing with keys
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Can someone tell me the diff between WAP 2.0/xHTML, and just HTML?
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WAP is the mobile view of internet and HTML is the standard (barely) for internet for PC. However that shouldn't matter to you since we have Opera Mobile and that runs most everything pretty well.
HI,
Do you know what VGA-Out (or XVGA) resolution have-it?
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HI,
Do you know what VGA-Out (or XVGA) resolution have-it?
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Read the link posted in first post.
Or click device database at the top of the forum.
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Grrr, I wish it had an 800Mhz Snapdragon Processor, or even one that isn't Qualcomm . . .
just giving my own opinion here
first of all i own the touch pro..
honestly i couldnt care less that the TP2 has no flash. Looking at the TP1 it has a crappy flash to begin with..wanna take a pic at night?i suggest you start praying they COULD put a better flash on it but i dont see the use for it..HTC Phones are not known for their camera quality anyway...
As about the TP2 being worth it..PERSONALLY i say hell yes..I find the bigger screen a HUGE benefit as compared to the TP1..Thats along with other small benefits of course..I use TF3D2 on my touch pro now andits great..but it surely is a different feeling when you use it on a bigger screen
too bad my contract will last an extra year so i cant make the jump now
Sprint TP2 Worldphone?
Somwhere I have seen that Sprint would release the TP2 as Worldphone. Means with CDMA and GSM radios. Somebody out there who can give thoughts on this? Oh, got it http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1792 .
Hi Everyone,
I'm a software/hardware student in college and I thought I'd post my idea here and get answers/feedback.
I would like to write/code an application to use my cell phone to output white noise and jam other cell devices (basically jam 850MHz,1900MHz) in my vicinity. I have a Sprint HTC Touch pro2 and have SIM, Radio, and Hard-SPL unlocked it.
Programming this would require a lot, so I'll just ask the community the basic question: Is this possible? How easy would it be to write it?
Any feedback and answers would be great. I'm sure this is an open/shut case and it will make me look completely foolish if it's not possible, but positive reasoning is appreciated.
Thanks.
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Hi Everyone,
I'm a software/hardware student in college and I thought I'd post my idea here and get answers/feedback.
I would like to write/code an application to use my cell phone to output white noise and jam other cell devices (basically jam 850MHz,1900MHz) in my vicinity. I have a Sprint HTC Touch pro2 and have SIM, Radio, and Hard-SPL unlocked it.
Programming this would require a lot, so I'll just ask the community the basic question: Is this possible? How easy would it be to write it?
Any feedback and answers would be great. I'm sure this is an open/shut case and it will make me look completely foolish if it's not possible, but positive reasoning is appreciated.
Thanks.
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Thankfully, you can't. Why would you wanna do that anyways? There's a lot of bugs to be fixed and apps to be written, why don't you use your 'skils' in that direction.
No offense, but I'd hate to be within your area and need to make a 911 call only to have my signal jammed.
As the person above me posted, use your talents to help move forward some things that MS has let stagnate. Use your talents to write an app that will send an amber alert at the touch of a button. Your skills can be used to create a program for people like me, with a medical history, and all I would need to do is push a button and a In Trouble alert would go out to a pre-set group of people in the event that I am in anaphyllactic shock and cannot breathe...I'd LOVE to have something like that on my phone.
The point is, just because you may be able to do something doesn't mean you should. Lets say you did somehow create that program and someone died because of you and your program...yes that is probably an extreme case, but wouldn't it be better to use your talents to HELP.
This would be highly illegal to do first of all (at least in the US). Also you'd need a much more powerful transmitter, afterall it's your phone versus a dedicated cellular tower. I'm going to guess that sending enough current through your phone to output that much noise would absolutely fry the electronics, if not at least destroy the battery.
Here in the US, there happen to be federal laws against doing exactly that.
"Willful interference with the lawful transmission of a radio signal", I believe.
I would love to see this idea implemented in a movie theater!
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I would love to see this idea implemented in a movie theater!
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So when the theater catches fire nobody can call for help?
Yes, yes, we all understand that idiots who can't silence their phones and stay off them in inappropriate settings are infuriating. This is still a terrible idea.
Let's say I'm on-call, which in my case is 1/4 of my life. I decide to risk going to the movies, and set my phone to vibrate in case the hospital needs to reach me. They send a text message, so I can discreetly pop out in case I'm needed - it's no different from someone who wants more popcorn or needs to use the toilet. Wow! I make it through an entire movie without being interrupted, or so I think until I get to the car and a flood of messages and missed calls suddenly appears on my phone.
Unfortunately, I had no way of knowing some moron had illegally blocked cellular signals and sat through a movie while your mom was dying in the ER. Are you going to cut me much slack for not having responded to 114 messages while the ER was desperately trying to get in touch with me?
Didn't think so.
Thanks to everyone for the replies, regardless if it's possible or not. I did not mean to start a moral war or argument. All moralities and emergency-call situations set aside, it would still be fun to make IMO.
I've been looking online, and if you wanted to properly jam all cell signals, you'd have to jam a range (824MHz - 894MHz and 1850MHz -1990MHz have to ALL be white-noised to accommodate for duplex cellular communications on all US voice uplink and downlink frequency signals). I think that with the range it would have, I would notice an emergency occurring close enough to be able to switch it off for people to make emergency calls.
Yes, cell phone jamming is illegal to use in the US, but is not illegal to possess (like illegal narcotics). I looked online, and the actual legal violation you would be charged for is a property-theft-related charge, since carriers purchase frequency bands as property for use in locations they pay for, and you'd be shown as stealing their property. I'll have to read the . I'd mostly be using the app to screw with friends (or my girlfriend who "absolutely HAS to take this call" that's completely unimportant and ruins our dates). I would make it easy to turn on and easy to turn off.
On the other hand, an emergency SOS application to ICE (In Case of Emergency) friends would be an easy application to write. In fact, in India, they have developed a cell-phone jammer that will intercept all emergency calls and texts (outgoing and incoming) and allow them to go through.
I just think of the idea as a fun mod to develop. Is there any professional mobile programmers out there that support my cause?
i actually own a cell phone jammer, and trust me, the thing sucks more power then a phone could deliver and it can get insanely hot. I do see both sides of this argument though. It is really funny to screw with your friends. Especially when you walk into an at&t store and laugh at all the iphones saying "no service" , and then all the employees stare at you because your the only one in there and all their phones say no service. But when i bought mine, i did take into consideration that people do need to be reached by phone for emergencies. that's why when i use mine, i only use it when i'm in someones house and know that there is nothing that could go wrong emergency wise, or if I'm in public, i will only use it if someone is on there phone talking pointlessly or loudly. BUT, i only leave it on until there phone call is disconnected and then shut it off. I also have to agree with Toleraen, your phone isn't going to be able push out and transmit that much noise.
There are already such devices in existance. They are illegal in the US. One of the schools around here wanted to impliment one to keep students from using cell phones on the premisis. The FCC said no way, so they just check cells at the door now, along with other highly dangerous devices like toothbrushes and Q-Tips that can do bodily harm as well as distract from class room attention spans.
Emergency calls can still be made from land lines. If you are an on call ER physician, why are you at the movies while my mom is dying? It would seem that your skills would be much more valuable at an actual ER while you are on call.
Personally, I would rather go with the much more legal HREF gun which shoots a directional EMF pulse that just smokes the teenie bopper's bedazzled phone where it sits...
These jammers are not illegal in every country btw. Our Grand Opera Theater (free translation from greek lol) has that implemented in its rooms. So do many universities.
I personally i'm kinda on the against side, however it could be usefull in the above mentioned cases. Still I would like to strangle the person who "just happened to decide i should stop MY call on MY phone", but i have to admit it could be fun being on the other side of the situation
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Emergency calls can still be made from land lines. If you are an on call ER physician, why are you at the movies while my mom is dying? It would seem that your skills would be much more valuable at an actual ER while you are on call.
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"on call" means they can call you if needed, it's not the same thing as being on duty. Medical facilities often have a staff capable of handling normal volume as well as x# of people on call in case volume rises above normal.
I've worked in a few "sensitive" areas in my life and there were what they called "bafflers" that would block cellphone transmissions. These were apparently well hidden away and not easy to know what they even were but yup, within the radius of where I was, no cellphone unless you had a 'special' cellphone that could work within a certain (read monitored) bandwidth of cell ranges.
BeanoFTW said:
Thanks to everyone for the replies, regardless if it's possible or not. I did not mean to start a moral war or argument. All moralities and emergency-call situations set aside, it would still be fun to make IMO.
I've been looking online, and if you wanted to properly jam all cell signals, you'd have to jam a range (824MHz - 894MHz and 1850MHz -1990MHz have to ALL be white-noised to accommodate for duplex cellular communications on all US voice uplink and downlink frequency signals). I think that with the range it would have, I would notice an emergency occurring close enough to be able to switch it off for people to make emergency calls.
Yes, cell phone jamming is illegal to use in the US, but is not illegal to possess (like illegal narcotics). I looked online, and the actual legal violation you would be charged for is a property-theft-related charge, since carriers purchase frequency bands as property for use in locations they pay for, and you'd be shown as stealing their property. I'll have to read the . I'd mostly be using the app to screw with friends (or my girlfriend who "absolutely HAS to take this call" that's completely unimportant and ruins our dates). I would make it easy to turn on and easy to turn off.
On the other hand, an emergency SOS application to ICE (In Case of Emergency) friends would be an easy application to write. In fact, in India, they have developed a cell-phone jammer that will intercept all emergency calls and texts (outgoing and incoming) and allow them to go through.
I just think of the idea as a fun mod to develop. Is there any professional mobile programmers out there that support my cause?
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You know how when you're on a long phone call the phone/battery start to heat up? That's you transmitting on a single channel. There are several hundred channels in that frequency range that you'd need to transmit, at a strength greater than the cell tower.
I don't think it's a matter of the software being capable (although you'd have to rebuild the radio firmware I would imagine), it's a matter of the hardware being capable. Discharging the battery that fast would be extremely dangerous and likely result in failure and/or burnination.
I think this poor guys request is gettin a bit blown out of proportion. No harm was intended, just a fun little prank. I understand an extreme case could happen where "your mother" would be in dire need of medical assistance and that ends up killing them. But jeeze, I'm pretty sure all the guy is trying to do is have a little fun with his friends. Funny idea but yea, might not be a very smart thing to do...
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Emergency calls can still be made from land lines.
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Here's an exercise to test this hypothesis: phone someone whose exact location you don't know using a landline. Did it work? If so, wait about 10 hours and try again. My prediction is that, unless that person remains next to a wired phone at all times, sooner or later this will fail. Are they going to let me drag a landline phone (with a REALLY long cord) into the movie theater with me?
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If you are an on call ER physician, why are you at the movies while my mom is dying? It would seem that your skills would be much more valuable at an actual ER while you are on call.
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1) How am I supposed to know ahead of time when your mom is planning to die?
2) I'm a specialist. There are two in my specialty in our area. That means I either live in the ER all the time or go about my life and live with interruptions.
Do you actually believe doctors sit around waiting 24/7 for people to show up? To clarify, Emergency Department physicians aren't typically ever on-call at all. They work scheduled shifts and are usually occupied the entire time. In large tertiary ER's, some specialists (orthopedics, general surgery, psychiatry, pediatrics, e.g.) may be scheduled for shifts. Most specialties don't have enough people to waste them sitting around in the ER, so they're on-call. You're not going to find a neurosurgeon, dermatologist, ophthalmologist, endocrinologist, etc. twiddling her thumbs in the break room. Many specialists cover several ER's in an area. At which one should they hang out if they were to decide to do Sudoku while waiting for something to happen?
If I were in an area with 29 others in my field with whom I could rotate call, I'd certainly hang around the house and not go to movies or whatever. That's not the case, and I'm on the other end of the beeper a great deal of the time. Since I'm on-call for a week at a time, waiting until tomorrow is not the simple solution it might seem. I have a family and a life to live. Most of my sleeping, eating, grocery shopping, and movie-watching gets done on-call. (In case you're curious, no I don't get paid in any way for being on-call but am legally required to be. It's rare that I get paid anything when I race to the ER and spend my kid's birthday tending to someone.)
Hey, you asked. Did you really not get the point that there are legitimate reasons why blocking cellular signals, even in movie theaters and restaurants, is a bad idea? I used what's called "an example" to illustrate a point about unintended consequences. In this particular case, I used a real-life example from my own experience. It shouldn't be that difficult to imagine a fairly different example that makes the same point.
If you want to pick nits, we can do that all day. I still contend that blocking cellular signals, especially if this is unknown to people in that area, is a really terrible idea.
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I think this poor guys request is gettin a bit blown out of proportion. No harm was intended, just a fun little prank. I understand an extreme case could happen where "your mother" would be in dire need of medical assistance and that ends up killing them. But jeeze, I'm pretty sure all the guy is trying to do is have a little fun with his friends. Funny idea but yea, might not be a very smart thing to do...
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I agree in both aspects. One inspiration is the annoyance with my girlfriend's cell phone etiquette. She has a friend that calls her all the time. While were hanging out, on dates, etc... and my girlfriend always picks up and they chat chat chat... annoying. Another reason is the experience. I'm a software student at a tech school and the learning gained from it would be amazing (which, btw is the reason I haven't replied in a few days... sorry, finals week).
Agreeing with a few others, the phone does not seem to be capable of doing this safely, and for very long. Even if it were a quick flip-on, close-down process, it would be very hard to write as a mod within windows. I would have to gain control of the radio from Windows, and find the drivers and commands to send signals out to the radio to broadcast, which would not be that powerful, maybe not even powerful enough to even cut an entire signal... maybe drag down or make difficult. If not possible to make within windows, it would have to be an OS or bootable environment (meaning, most likely, it would be changed to only have that function, no Windows) :-(
I've seen various projects of hardware/software students making these devices, such as the Wave Bubble project (google it, it's cool).
OK, another question. Has anyone worked with a cheap jammer that works on both US frequencies or has designed hardware to do it? Is there a place where someone could point me to solder and make an easy and powerful jammer (for information purposes, of course)?
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Hi Everyone,
I'm a software/hardware student in college and I thought I'd post my idea here and get answers/feedback.
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Then you must be a freshmen, otherwise if you'd actually taken any electrical engineering classes at all you'd realize the phone cannot function in this way. How do you think it is possible for the transmitter, which is filtered to transmit at a very narrow frequency band so it won't interfere with all the other calls going on in the adjoining channels, can be made to transmit simultaneously across a frequency spectrum of 210 Mhz!?!? There are so many physical impossibilities to what you're wanting to do that it's pointless to even address them all.
I'll just say that you're trying to do is synonymous to taking a single garden hose and its little stream of water, and modifying it to somehow make rain all over a whole town, just because it would be fun to do.
BeanoFTW said:
OK, another question. Has anyone worked with a cheap jammer that works on both US frequencies or has designed hardware to do it? Is there a place where someone could point me to solder and make an easy and powerful jammer (for information purposes, of course)?
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On my first post i said that i bought a jammer. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4355 this is the one that i bought and it's at half the price of what i paid, $26 for a cellphone jammer that operates on both GSM and CDMA frequencies is insane, they usually go for at least $200 for 1 frequency. it does fell kind of fragile, but i've had mine for over a year now and it still works great, range is good, and battery life is about 5 hours long. the only downside is it can get really hot if its on for about an hour. and you will click the button on accident when its in your pants, so you will know if its on by you having no service, or if your pants are a blaze. Comes with a wall charger and car charger. I like to jam peoples cell phones when there talking on the phone in there car, it's to funny and they shouldn't be doing it anyways.
i would be happy if one of you genuises would fix wm6.5 so that i dont have to reboot 45 times a day because of it getting so slow i cant even use it.