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Can get a Rhodium in a week

Hi folks,
hmmm don´t know what to do,,,
I can get a Rhodium in a week from a guy that´s working (VIP) for a brand here in sweden, but it´s sim-locked to "3". The Topaz is coming in a month out in Sweden ( http://www.expansys.se/p.aspx?i=179083 ). Rhodium in 3-4 month´s. The guys that can sim-unlock use a method with the code when you put another sim-card, but "3" in Sweden have another system, when you put sim-card from another operator it says SIM CARD FAILURE.
hmmm I realy don´t want to use "3" as my operator.
But on the other hand can´t realy wait to have it in my hands.

after buying a whole bunch of phones.. I say wait.... it's not worth it if you have to hack and hack to make it work, unless you truly enjoy doing it.

Listen to LoopTroop and calm down.

udgn said:
TouchPro2 no Flash.
Just Stick to your TouchPro:
1. NO CAMERA FLASH:
To HTC... Accept the fact that we end-up relying to the phones
camera; Who wants to go to a PARTY!!! WhooooWho!!, Activity or
to anywhere.... ohhh! wait [email protected]*# WITH a Camera and a phone (2
devices to carry with).... VEEERY UNCOMFORTABLE it is, NO PARTY
WILL BE.
2. DON'T FALL FOR IT: Thinnnk!
They did this:
- Removed the TILT capabilities from the TouhPro, and added Flash (a mayor for decent pics).
- Removed the FLASH from TP2, and leaved same camera 3.2.
- Infra RED from tilt, ETC, ETC, ETC.
Whyyyy???? THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE....BECAUSE THEY WANTED US TO
BUY THE TP2, or in other words FORCED US to UPGRADE.
It is ALL well planed.
Besides the Bigger Screen, Dual Speakers, Dual Microphones and
the more stylish design IMO (None of them are reason for
upgrade), the only thing worth for an upgrade is the
integration and usability of the TouchFlo 3D that integrates
with the OS and overall apps "PEOPLE CENTRIC", VERY GOOD, and will help you avoid 3rd parties Apps.
but......
.... Thank GOD, Angels, and whoever you believe in, that
XDA-Developers exist, BECAUSE I will just STICK with my
TouchPRO and will Integrate the TP2 Software into my
device, until TP3, TP4 or until they stop playing or RUN
OUT of OPTIONS to MUCK US.
For those with a TILT... Just upgrade to TouchPRO, is worth it. It have same Procesor and Memory, and you will get it in a VERY GOOD PRICE.
For those with a TouchPRO ..... Stick with it and support XDA-Developers, and just modified it as YOU like it.
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is it really necessary to cut and paste this on every thread that shows up here? we know you dont like it, so you might as well quit trolling the forum

toorima_anchuu said:
is it really necessary to cut and paste this on every thread that shows up here? we know you dont like it, so you might as well quit trolling the forum
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I agree... don't post here if you don't like the phone.

I bet $10 he has one in 6 months and is trash talking something else. He probably works for Alltel.

d474rpr said:
I bet $10 he has one in 6 months and is trash talking something else. He probably works for Alltel.
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Maybe its that guy from the commercial. He seems all cool and all compared to the geeks from the networks,but like alot of people,when he gets onto the internet he turns into a jerk.

agree, the guy is not bad in the commercial...

High SAR-values

Hi! I just got my TP2 and found out that it has very high SAR-value for body. Numbers in my package are: Head 0.68 mW/g10g and body 1.87 mW/g10g. For examble my previous phone HTC Tytn had: head 0.572 and body 0.663. I don't know if these numbers are something to worry about but it's kind of weird that this TP2 has three times bigger body sar values. By the way I live in europe so the measuring methods - I think - are different in states.
Maybe somenone can explaine what all these different numbers mean. Because in http://www.phonearena.com TP2 values are 0.50 (head) and 0.82 (body) and for Tytn 0.82 (head) and 0.69 (body). I just can't make these number match even though they are measured differently but for example Tytn head number is bigger than TP2 in phonearena and in my packages it's quite the opposite (Phonearena TP2:0.50, TYTN:0.82 and my packages TP2:0.681 and TYTN: 0.572). I don't know if these phonearena numbers are correct but this is kind of bothering me.
Maybe someone can clarify this for me. Are those numbers high or not, cause it seems to be almost impossible to compare these numbers.
Oh this was the first message from me to this forum.

It would be funny if you read this numbers drinking vodka and smoking a good cigarette...
Man, take it easy: You will not die due to a mobile phone.
Just my two cents.

As above, chill out im sure it wont be THAT bad for ya

Think of it this way: Each day more and more and more things are found to be carcinogens, things which you live with no prob, with which many people live with. If you're going to fret over each and everything, you should buy a big plastic bubble with hospital grade air filters and put the ventilator far away from the bubble in case the electromagnetic fields could do some harm. Oh, and don't forget to live somwhere where there's no sunlight, not too much damp, nor dust, etc.
I'm not making fun of you, but rather the paranoia which has permeated society. It really is funny when you read the list of all possible carcinogens, some are just ridiculous.
Remember, using antibacterial soap on a regular basis is bad, and I'm guessing it's worse than using your TP2

solsearch said:
Think of it this way: Each day more and more and more things are found to be carcinogens, things which you live with no prob, with which many people live with. If you're going to fret over each and everything, you should buy a big plastic bubble with hospital grade air filters and put the ventilator far away from the bubble in case the electromagnetic fields could do some harm. Oh, and don't forget to live somwhere where there's no sunlight, not too much damp, nor dust, etc.
I'm not making fun of you, but rather the paranoia which has permeated society. It really is funny when you read the list of all possible carcinogens, some are just ridiculous.
Remember, using antibacterial soap on a regular basis is bad, and I'm guessing it's worse than using your TP2
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Thinking that way, you don't use a mobile phone, you do not stand near electric cables, you do not stand near radio antennas, you don't pass by near GSM Radio antennas, you don't have wireless at home... Just to mention some...

Black Phoenix said:
Thinking that way, you don't use a mobile phone, you do not stand near electric cables, you do not stand near radio antennas, you don't pass by near GSM Radio antennas, you don't have wireless at home... Just to mention some...
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I think we have established that if you think like that you will probably die from fear

mcspikesky said:
I think we have established that if you think like that you will probably die from fear
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Yeap, sort off.

No no no. You wouldn't die from fear. You'd be afraid of fear thanks to the whole possible blood pressure and heart attack issues. Rather a self-induced coma is a MUCH safer bet.

Okay, I can see that I didn't really get the answers I was looking for but thanks anyway. Maybe I'll find another place to ask these questions.
By the way, in many countries they have already suggested or are planning to suggest that children should avoid using mobile phones too much and prefer sms. Yes, it's true. It's because longterm effects of using mobile phones are still pretty much unknown (simply because mobilephones hasn't been availebto too long yet). I don't know if it has anything to do with the reality but I guess that's the problem, nobody knows yet.
Anyways, thanks for funny answers. I rest my case here. By the way I am writing this with my TP2 and feeling just fine.

Vumaju said:
Okay, I can see that I didn't really get the answers I was looking for but thanks anyway. Maybe I'll find another place to ask these questions.
By the way, in many countries they have already suggested or are planning to suggest that children should avoid using mobile phones too much and prefer sms. Yes, it's true. It's because longterm effects of using mobile phones are still pretty much unknown (simply because mobilephones hasn't been availebto too long yet). I don't know if it has anything to do with the reality but I guess that's the problem, nobody knows yet.
Anyways, thanks for funny answers. I rest my case here. By the way I am writing this with my TP2 and feeling just fine.
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I wished i could read some answers to your posts aswell, i couldnt find any SAR-rate anywhere though, for the TP2... where did you find them anyway???

exCluSive1 said:
I wished i could read some answers to your posts aswell, i couldnt find any SAR-rate anywhere though, for the TP2... where did you find them anyway???
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It cames in a attachment document inside the box of the HTC Pro2.

High Sars values should be taken into consideration. The higher the values the more power it uses, therefore generates more heat.
What i don't comprehend is how come the body sar values are much higher than the head.
Imagine having that by ur balls lol it will fry ur sprem
one thing is: These values are the Highest Number of SARS reports, therefore the closer you are to reception and the less your phone has to work, the sars will be lower.
but if you are in a area that requires lots of power than well it's going to reach high levels.

Next time I will take in consideration the fry sperm...
"Honey, I have a new "bed cooking speciality", just for you..."

Well, it's still below the SAR value limit. And as for frying your sperm...
Just where exactly do you put your phone?
personally I keep my phones in the pocket which happen to be at either side, not in my briefs

habs101 said:
but if you are in a area that requires lots of power than well it's going to reach high levels.
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what exactly do you mean by 'in a area that requires lots of power' ?

Black Phoenix said:
It cames in a attachment document inside the box of the HTC Pro2.
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i didntsee any docusaying that?
but well.. i think i was too happy with my TP2 that i didnt see anything else in the box

The SAR values are included in the manual.
What he means by an area that requires lots of power is an area with poor reception. Poor reception means the phone has to work harder to maintain communication, ergo the higher SAR value at those times.

you want lot SAR ? - get an HTC Universal, it's like 0.177 thanks to the display assembly being between you and the antenna that's on the back.

solsearch said:
The SAR values are included in the manual.
What he means by an area that requires lots of power is an area with poor reception. Poor reception means the phone has to work harder to maintain communication, ergo the higher SAR value at those times.
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aha, thanks for your answer

Cell Phone Jamming Application for TP2

Hi Everyone,
I'm a software/hardware student in college and I thought I'd post my idea here and get answers/feedback.
I would like to write/code an application to use my cell phone to output white noise and jam other cell devices (basically jam 850MHz,1900MHz) in my vicinity. I have a Sprint HTC Touch pro2 and have SIM, Radio, and Hard-SPL unlocked it.
Programming this would require a lot, so I'll just ask the community the basic question: Is this possible? How easy would it be to write it?
Any feedback and answers would be great. I'm sure this is an open/shut case and it will make me look completely foolish if it's not possible, but positive reasoning is appreciated.
Thanks.

BeanoFTW said:
Hi Everyone,
I'm a software/hardware student in college and I thought I'd post my idea here and get answers/feedback.
I would like to write/code an application to use my cell phone to output white noise and jam other cell devices (basically jam 850MHz,1900MHz) in my vicinity. I have a Sprint HTC Touch pro2 and have SIM, Radio, and Hard-SPL unlocked it.
Programming this would require a lot, so I'll just ask the community the basic question: Is this possible? How easy would it be to write it?
Any feedback and answers would be great. I'm sure this is an open/shut case and it will make me look completely foolish if it's not possible, but positive reasoning is appreciated.
Thanks.
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Thankfully, you can't. Why would you wanna do that anyways? There's a lot of bugs to be fixed and apps to be written, why don't you use your 'skils' in that direction.

No offense, but I'd hate to be within your area and need to make a 911 call only to have my signal jammed.
As the person above me posted, use your talents to help move forward some things that MS has let stagnate. Use your talents to write an app that will send an amber alert at the touch of a button. Your skills can be used to create a program for people like me, with a medical history, and all I would need to do is push a button and a In Trouble alert would go out to a pre-set group of people in the event that I am in anaphyllactic shock and cannot breathe...I'd LOVE to have something like that on my phone.
The point is, just because you may be able to do something doesn't mean you should. Lets say you did somehow create that program and someone died because of you and your program...yes that is probably an extreme case, but wouldn't it be better to use your talents to HELP.

This would be highly illegal to do first of all (at least in the US). Also you'd need a much more powerful transmitter, afterall it's your phone versus a dedicated cellular tower. I'm going to guess that sending enough current through your phone to output that much noise would absolutely fry the electronics, if not at least destroy the battery.

Here in the US, there happen to be federal laws against doing exactly that.
"Willful interference with the lawful transmission of a radio signal", I believe.

I would love to see this idea implemented in a movie theater!

utahcolberts said:
I would love to see this idea implemented in a movie theater!
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So when the theater catches fire nobody can call for help?
Yes, yes, we all understand that idiots who can't silence their phones and stay off them in inappropriate settings are infuriating. This is still a terrible idea.
Let's say I'm on-call, which in my case is 1/4 of my life. I decide to risk going to the movies, and set my phone to vibrate in case the hospital needs to reach me. They send a text message, so I can discreetly pop out in case I'm needed - it's no different from someone who wants more popcorn or needs to use the toilet. Wow! I make it through an entire movie without being interrupted, or so I think until I get to the car and a flood of messages and missed calls suddenly appears on my phone.
Unfortunately, I had no way of knowing some moron had illegally blocked cellular signals and sat through a movie while your mom was dying in the ER. Are you going to cut me much slack for not having responded to 114 messages while the ER was desperately trying to get in touch with me?
Didn't think so.

Thanks to everyone for the replies, regardless if it's possible or not. I did not mean to start a moral war or argument. All moralities and emergency-call situations set aside, it would still be fun to make IMO.
I've been looking online, and if you wanted to properly jam all cell signals, you'd have to jam a range (824MHz - 894MHz and 1850MHz -1990MHz have to ALL be white-noised to accommodate for duplex cellular communications on all US voice uplink and downlink frequency signals). I think that with the range it would have, I would notice an emergency occurring close enough to be able to switch it off for people to make emergency calls.
Yes, cell phone jamming is illegal to use in the US, but is not illegal to possess (like illegal narcotics). I looked online, and the actual legal violation you would be charged for is a property-theft-related charge, since carriers purchase frequency bands as property for use in locations they pay for, and you'd be shown as stealing their property. I'll have to read the . I'd mostly be using the app to screw with friends (or my girlfriend who "absolutely HAS to take this call" that's completely unimportant and ruins our dates). I would make it easy to turn on and easy to turn off.
On the other hand, an emergency SOS application to ICE (In Case of Emergency) friends would be an easy application to write. In fact, in India, they have developed a cell-phone jammer that will intercept all emergency calls and texts (outgoing and incoming) and allow them to go through.
I just think of the idea as a fun mod to develop. Is there any professional mobile programmers out there that support my cause?

i actually own a cell phone jammer, and trust me, the thing sucks more power then a phone could deliver and it can get insanely hot. I do see both sides of this argument though. It is really funny to screw with your friends. Especially when you walk into an at&t store and laugh at all the iphones saying "no service" , and then all the employees stare at you because your the only one in there and all their phones say no service. But when i bought mine, i did take into consideration that people do need to be reached by phone for emergencies. that's why when i use mine, i only use it when i'm in someones house and know that there is nothing that could go wrong emergency wise, or if I'm in public, i will only use it if someone is on there phone talking pointlessly or loudly. BUT, i only leave it on until there phone call is disconnected and then shut it off. I also have to agree with Toleraen, your phone isn't going to be able push out and transmit that much noise.

There are already such devices in existance. They are illegal in the US. One of the schools around here wanted to impliment one to keep students from using cell phones on the premisis. The FCC said no way, so they just check cells at the door now, along with other highly dangerous devices like toothbrushes and Q-Tips that can do bodily harm as well as distract from class room attention spans.
Emergency calls can still be made from land lines. If you are an on call ER physician, why are you at the movies while my mom is dying? It would seem that your skills would be much more valuable at an actual ER while you are on call.
Personally, I would rather go with the much more legal HREF gun which shoots a directional EMF pulse that just smokes the teenie bopper's bedazzled phone where it sits...

These jammers are not illegal in every country btw. Our Grand Opera Theater (free translation from greek lol) has that implemented in its rooms. So do many universities.
I personally i'm kinda on the against side, however it could be usefull in the above mentioned cases. Still I would like to strangle the person who "just happened to decide i should stop MY call on MY phone", but i have to admit it could be fun being on the other side of the situation

Ivanstein said:
Emergency calls can still be made from land lines. If you are an on call ER physician, why are you at the movies while my mom is dying? It would seem that your skills would be much more valuable at an actual ER while you are on call.
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"on call" means they can call you if needed, it's not the same thing as being on duty. Medical facilities often have a staff capable of handling normal volume as well as x# of people on call in case volume rises above normal.

I've worked in a few "sensitive" areas in my life and there were what they called "bafflers" that would block cellphone transmissions. These were apparently well hidden away and not easy to know what they even were but yup, within the radius of where I was, no cellphone unless you had a 'special' cellphone that could work within a certain (read monitored) bandwidth of cell ranges.

BeanoFTW said:
Thanks to everyone for the replies, regardless if it's possible or not. I did not mean to start a moral war or argument. All moralities and emergency-call situations set aside, it would still be fun to make IMO.
I've been looking online, and if you wanted to properly jam all cell signals, you'd have to jam a range (824MHz - 894MHz and 1850MHz -1990MHz have to ALL be white-noised to accommodate for duplex cellular communications on all US voice uplink and downlink frequency signals). I think that with the range it would have, I would notice an emergency occurring close enough to be able to switch it off for people to make emergency calls.
Yes, cell phone jamming is illegal to use in the US, but is not illegal to possess (like illegal narcotics). I looked online, and the actual legal violation you would be charged for is a property-theft-related charge, since carriers purchase frequency bands as property for use in locations they pay for, and you'd be shown as stealing their property. I'll have to read the . I'd mostly be using the app to screw with friends (or my girlfriend who "absolutely HAS to take this call" that's completely unimportant and ruins our dates). I would make it easy to turn on and easy to turn off.
On the other hand, an emergency SOS application to ICE (In Case of Emergency) friends would be an easy application to write. In fact, in India, they have developed a cell-phone jammer that will intercept all emergency calls and texts (outgoing and incoming) and allow them to go through.
I just think of the idea as a fun mod to develop. Is there any professional mobile programmers out there that support my cause?
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You know how when you're on a long phone call the phone/battery start to heat up? That's you transmitting on a single channel. There are several hundred channels in that frequency range that you'd need to transmit, at a strength greater than the cell tower.
I don't think it's a matter of the software being capable (although you'd have to rebuild the radio firmware I would imagine), it's a matter of the hardware being capable. Discharging the battery that fast would be extremely dangerous and likely result in failure and/or burnination.

I think this poor guys request is gettin a bit blown out of proportion. No harm was intended, just a fun little prank. I understand an extreme case could happen where "your mother" would be in dire need of medical assistance and that ends up killing them. But jeeze, I'm pretty sure all the guy is trying to do is have a little fun with his friends. Funny idea but yea, might not be a very smart thing to do...

Ivanstein said:
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Here's an exercise to test this hypothesis: phone someone whose exact location you don't know using a landline. Did it work? If so, wait about 10 hours and try again. My prediction is that, unless that person remains next to a wired phone at all times, sooner or later this will fail. Are they going to let me drag a landline phone (with a REALLY long cord) into the movie theater with me?
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If you are an on call ER physician, why are you at the movies while my mom is dying? It would seem that your skills would be much more valuable at an actual ER while you are on call.
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1) How am I supposed to know ahead of time when your mom is planning to die?
2) I'm a specialist. There are two in my specialty in our area. That means I either live in the ER all the time or go about my life and live with interruptions.
Do you actually believe doctors sit around waiting 24/7 for people to show up? To clarify, Emergency Department physicians aren't typically ever on-call at all. They work scheduled shifts and are usually occupied the entire time. In large tertiary ER's, some specialists (orthopedics, general surgery, psychiatry, pediatrics, e.g.) may be scheduled for shifts. Most specialties don't have enough people to waste them sitting around in the ER, so they're on-call. You're not going to find a neurosurgeon, dermatologist, ophthalmologist, endocrinologist, etc. twiddling her thumbs in the break room. Many specialists cover several ER's in an area. At which one should they hang out if they were to decide to do Sudoku while waiting for something to happen?
If I were in an area with 29 others in my field with whom I could rotate call, I'd certainly hang around the house and not go to movies or whatever. That's not the case, and I'm on the other end of the beeper a great deal of the time. Since I'm on-call for a week at a time, waiting until tomorrow is not the simple solution it might seem. I have a family and a life to live. Most of my sleeping, eating, grocery shopping, and movie-watching gets done on-call. (In case you're curious, no I don't get paid in any way for being on-call but am legally required to be. It's rare that I get paid anything when I race to the ER and spend my kid's birthday tending to someone.)
Hey, you asked. Did you really not get the point that there are legitimate reasons why blocking cellular signals, even in movie theaters and restaurants, is a bad idea? I used what's called "an example" to illustrate a point about unintended consequences. In this particular case, I used a real-life example from my own experience. It shouldn't be that difficult to imagine a fairly different example that makes the same point.
If you want to pick nits, we can do that all day. I still contend that blocking cellular signals, especially if this is unknown to people in that area, is a really terrible idea.

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I think this poor guys request is gettin a bit blown out of proportion. No harm was intended, just a fun little prank. I understand an extreme case could happen where "your mother" would be in dire need of medical assistance and that ends up killing them. But jeeze, I'm pretty sure all the guy is trying to do is have a little fun with his friends. Funny idea but yea, might not be a very smart thing to do...
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I agree in both aspects. One inspiration is the annoyance with my girlfriend's cell phone etiquette. She has a friend that calls her all the time. While were hanging out, on dates, etc... and my girlfriend always picks up and they chat chat chat... annoying. Another reason is the experience. I'm a software student at a tech school and the learning gained from it would be amazing (which, btw is the reason I haven't replied in a few days... sorry, finals week).
Agreeing with a few others, the phone does not seem to be capable of doing this safely, and for very long. Even if it were a quick flip-on, close-down process, it would be very hard to write as a mod within windows. I would have to gain control of the radio from Windows, and find the drivers and commands to send signals out to the radio to broadcast, which would not be that powerful, maybe not even powerful enough to even cut an entire signal... maybe drag down or make difficult. If not possible to make within windows, it would have to be an OS or bootable environment (meaning, most likely, it would be changed to only have that function, no Windows) :-(
I've seen various projects of hardware/software students making these devices, such as the Wave Bubble project (google it, it's cool).
OK, another question. Has anyone worked with a cheap jammer that works on both US frequencies or has designed hardware to do it? Is there a place where someone could point me to solder and make an easy and powerful jammer (for information purposes, of course)?

BeanoFTW said:
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I'm a software/hardware student in college and I thought I'd post my idea here and get answers/feedback.
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Then you must be a freshmen, otherwise if you'd actually taken any electrical engineering classes at all you'd realize the phone cannot function in this way. How do you think it is possible for the transmitter, which is filtered to transmit at a very narrow frequency band so it won't interfere with all the other calls going on in the adjoining channels, can be made to transmit simultaneously across a frequency spectrum of 210 Mhz!?!? There are so many physical impossibilities to what you're wanting to do that it's pointless to even address them all.
I'll just say that you're trying to do is synonymous to taking a single garden hose and its little stream of water, and modifying it to somehow make rain all over a whole town, just because it would be fun to do.

BeanoFTW said:
OK, another question. Has anyone worked with a cheap jammer that works on both US frequencies or has designed hardware to do it? Is there a place where someone could point me to solder and make an easy and powerful jammer (for information purposes, of course)?
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On my first post i said that i bought a jammer. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4355 this is the one that i bought and it's at half the price of what i paid, $26 for a cellphone jammer that operates on both GSM and CDMA frequencies is insane, they usually go for at least $200 for 1 frequency. it does fell kind of fragile, but i've had mine for over a year now and it still works great, range is good, and battery life is about 5 hours long. the only downside is it can get really hot if its on for about an hour. and you will click the button on accident when its in your pants, so you will know if its on by you having no service, or if your pants are a blaze. Comes with a wall charger and car charger. I like to jam peoples cell phones when there talking on the phone in there car, it's to funny and they shouldn't be doing it anyways.

i would be happy if one of you genuises would fix wm6.5 so that i dont have to reboot 45 times a day because of it getting so slow i cant even use it.

NFC - The one reason that I'm slightly jealous of the Nexus S...

So, with the Nexus S officially released, I am ever so slightly jealous of only one thing: NFC. To be perfectly honest, I think my Mozart does everything else better than the latest "Google Phone", but NFC is something that I've been drooling over for probably about 3 years, having seen it all over Japanese websites/tv.
Damn it I can't wait for some sort of NFC solution for us! http://twinlinx.com/mymaxsticker.php is probably our best bet (once it comes out), but it's not the same as having the function integrated into the hardware...
Who else can't wait for NFC to really take off? ^__^
Alex

No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.

vetvito said:
No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.
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A year ago, there were 25 million people with NFC on their phones. It's beyond huge over there! I'm really surprised that you haven't heard about it! The vast majority of shops there have nfc readers at tills as well, effectively allowing you to leave your wallet at home, and only carry your phone
Damn it this excites me!

I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.

N8ter said:
I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.
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Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S

^ Not that I know of, like I said earlier, never heard of it until today.

We do have several NFC services here in the US. Just nothing that is very popular nor is it outwardly billed as being NFC. Each implementer brands it with their own name.
https://www.speedpass.com/forms/frmSpHome.aspx , for example

^ I have that little thing for Exxon. That's what this is? Another form of a credit card?

In korea they use it for everything...they can use it as cash (pay for things at shops, taxis public transport) but also you can save credit cards to the chip and you can just carry your phone around and have all your bank cards on it (only works in banks and ATMs)
also in some schools they use NFCs for student ID as well..
pretty amazing tech..it's still to take off fully but still light years ahead of most other countries...
don't worry America, once apple put in an NFC in their new iphone people will get so overly excited and think Apple invented it! and everyone will use it blah blah!
I think London is thinking of replacing the oyster card for NFC, right?

i think i prefer to keep my credit card seperate from my phone... it's one thing to steal my phone, or my card... but to steal them both in 1 hit... not my cup of tea.

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Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S
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Crime is more prevalent here in the USA than in Japan. With such tech on our phones and being relied upon, it's like a Christmas party for ill mannered hackers.

somethings i prefer seperate
credit card is easier to replace than a phone
if that phone gets hacked by some virus (not very likely but still) im f*cked.....

I don't see this (NFC) taking off in the U.S. anytime soon, even if it's on iPhone 5 (which I don't think it will be given Apple's penchant for great implementation and user-experience).
Before it gets adopted in the U.S. by phone manufacturers, it also has to be adopted by all of the U.S. retailers in orders to be of any real-world use. What's the likelihood of that happening within the next generation or two of smartphones?

the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!

hboos said:
the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!
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lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.

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lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....

MartyLK said:
I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....
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hahaha, what phone(s)?

The Gate Keeper said:
lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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ah that makes sense...
in korea they have NFC in the phones and you can use it for cash (comes out of your phone bill) for small payments and withdraw cash from ATMs (via stored bank/credit card) after you insert PIN
i didn't realise you can get credit cards with NFC on them..
well in that case, I am back on the fence about this one

I have my HD7 but I am tempted to sell it and buy the Nexus when it comes out. Trying to be patient with WM7 and it has a lot of potential but I think it might take a year or so to get up to IOS or android. The nexus S could hold me over till then

in a year wp7 if its doesnt fizzle may have overtaken ios, and android at their current stages and at its current rate of growth ( its been out about 2 months, and a update already in testers hands) in less than four months it will almost catch up, and about 6 months from that it'll have things that they dont. Who know maybe by then ios will be playing catch up to wp7, 6.5 already had some thing thats why alot of us have the hd2,in a way theyre playing catching up to us with exception of stability and speed. Now that we have stability, etc, all they have to do is put back what they took out, add apps which they are doing, and walla. Windows Phone is on top again. Nothing last forever, not even apples domination.

Need a phone with ONLY a call function

I have an unusual problem
My brother in-law has, in a short version, Autism and Tourettes. One of his challenges is enforcement action, and one of his triggers is internet and sms. He needs to have a phone, but the sight of the envelope and the opportunity to send sms in the really stresses him, makes his day really bad and he gets very sick (needs medication and lies in his bedrom with no light and eyes closed)
So here it is: can someone out there help us to "create" a phone who's only function is to call? Is someone up for the challenge?
This is really imortant for us to improve my brother in-law quality of life
Hope to hear from u

hi,
seniorenhandys-online .de/cms/website.php?id=/de/kinderhandys/kinderhandy_easy5_plus.php (delete the spaces)
im sorry because its in german. the point is, it's a mobile phone for kids. it only has a call function and supports some emergency numbers like most of the phones for old people have.
maybe you find something like this (amazon, ebay, whereever)

Looked at the John's Phone? Only thing it can do is calling and thats it, Good example for more people in the world btw.

Yep Johns phone, might be expensive but easy to use made for old people really.
Not allowed to link but google Johns phone. Its the worlds simplest phone even the address book is a bit of paper and a pen.
It's said to be "The world's simplest cellphone." That's a bold claim from anyone let alone a previously unknown (in gadget circles anyway) Dutch team of creatives over at John Doe Amsterdam who wanted to build a basic phone -- the most basic phone ever -- that wasn't as dull and boring as other affordable phones on the market. So is it? Well, it certainly is basic. In the age of smartphones and cheap featurephones, John's phone is more clearly defined by what it lacks than what it has: no fancy color touchscreen display; no camera; no 3G radio, WiFi, Bluetooth or even GPRS data; no FM radio; no user-accessible storage; and no music player or apps of any kind. It can't even send a text message. It's just a quad-band GSM phone with an ink pen and paper notepad tucked neatly into its capacious recesses. That's right, pen and paper. So, it's definitely basic

Thanks )
Then I have ordered a new phone for Andreas, and hoping it will be a success
Funny thing is that after u tipped me about Johns Phone I call several suppliers here in Norway and no one had heard about Johns Phone Weird
Anyway, thanks for the tip

I really hope you will succeed and help your brother

AnneS said:
Then I have ordered a new phone for Andreas, and hoping it will be a success
Funny thing is that after u tipped me about Johns Phone I call several suppliers here in Norway and no one had heard about Johns Phone Weird
Anyway, thanks for the tip
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Cool glad we could help, i'll end up with a johns phone to lol at my age these high tech things confuse me ;-)