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Wp7 update

There may already be several threads in other sections discussing this anticipated update, but I thought why not. Happy New Years Ladies and Gentlemen.
Microsoft has stuck to their slogan "Early 2011".
The little blue birdy however flew a little closer to sources and overheard "January".
As of now, the update has not yet been released obviously so this gives us all the opportunity to discuss some of our individual expectations from this upcoming update. You may have heard, there may be several updates, not only one.
Let's try not to get too loony but in all seriousness, when I first purchased my HTC MOZART with WP7 I did so without much research and maybe too much faith in Microsoft.
I thought MAC - PC, IPhone - WP7
I can tell you all now, I was severely traumatized by my experience when I first discovered I couldn't customise my ring-tone. With tears still pouring down my face, and Chevron still non existent, I went to Copy and Paste something. It was then that I learnt that the World had already ended.
Now like I said, we can't expect too much but I just want to state what I personally believe and after some scrutiny of my opinion wisely believe I'm in the position to state several of the most 'CRUCIAL' changes that need to take place ASAP on WP7. The severity of leaving these features out has already taken on another dimension. Some features were intentionally left out for future profiteering and others simply because the potential of such features could be exploited in unexpected ways.
Taking this path however has led some of Microsoft's most loyal customers questioning the developmental plans and reasoning's behind a number of decisions.
You have to think, these phones aren't toys. These phones (due to the mandatory specifications Microsoft has set) pack quite a powerful punch in terms of processing capabilities. The true capabilities of these technologies seriously can be quite dazzling. For one reason or another, unfortunately such open technology will probably never fall into the hands of the masses.
However, they seem to have gone a bit too far with the intentional tampering of functionality and the unprecedented level of scrutiny has left Microsoft scrambling to find the excuses, and forced them to re-think their relationship with their customers.
Julian Assange is here questioning which governments are responsible for all these dead civilians and we need to seriously point exactly at the people in charge (Governments - Developers all the same) and demand why, with the level of power they hold, the technology, funds and potential they have access too, are there basic features missing on these GOD DAM PHONES!?
One might state, "If you don't like it, then go somewhere else!"
Well "NO!" is what I would say. Why am I being forced to use outdated technology just to enable me to change my ring-tone! It seems the more we human beings accomplish technologically, the less we are able to utilize it with some common sense. One step forward, two steps back!
It is these corporations that hold the responsibility and have the obligation to set a standard with technological advancements. They are the leading manufacturers, researchers and developers enabling the wonderful standard of life we all possess today. BUT, you have to remember, the people at the front end of these achievements need to be held accountable when a phone shows up on the market that doesn't allow one to change their ring-tone! We as a group of human beings are able to discuss and elaborate. If we are standing here in 2011 with a phone that doesn't allow one to change their ring-tone, we need to stop and start wondering what the hell is going on.
"Yes, I just payed top dollar for one of the most advanced phones out there! So advanced you don't need to change your ring-tone, you just select one out of a list! HOW INGENIUS! "
"Yes, I just payed two million pounds for a luxurious house! It's so freakin high class and luxurious it doesn't even have any DOORS OR WINDOWS!"
See the similarity?
Please Microsoft, give me my Ring-tone back. Give me the Flash Player I deserve. Give me my Landscape Address Bar in MIE. Give me my Multitasking. Give me my Copy/Cut & Paste. Give me my Media player that allows me to Fast Forward/Rewind with my own fingers. YOUTUBE BY HTC DID! Give my USB storage functionality! After all, there is a memory card in there! Give me a voice on my Maps to let me know when I have to turn. Do something about this 'SEARCH' button please. It keeps interrupting me on practically everything I try to do on the phone. At least create a locking mechanism or even give me the option to use it for something more USEFUL! BING IT OFF. Get it?
Anybody else with any realistic functions they believe is a basic requirement? If so please name them.
When the Update is finally released, we can further elaborate on the improvements. I'm sure there will be improvements. WP7 can do better!
Best Regards, Dontworry

Man if only Bluetooth file transfers could be added in the update..

I have a samsung i780 for 2 years already
I lost my mind and bought one HTC HD7 without researching
Please microsoft, do not make me regret more than I already am
it's sad that I feel better with my old i780 with a fake copy of WM6.5
listen to this man, makes us happy.

Guys you must not compare it with the win 6.x phones. Please jsut think about the potential and look at what you do with this phone instead of what it can't.

I jumped from my beloved pimped qtek 9000 to HD7 and i must say.....even if the qtek is so yesterday .... but the WM 6,5 with working bluetooth-Garmin XT and other cool features was untill today way better than WM7.
I Understand that the 7 software is still in developement, but it is not yet worth the money, the time that i invested just to find out why the bluetooth wouldnt work and so on and so on.
I honestly believed that it would be a realy woooooow phone but it is not. So far it is an overpriced not so usefull dissapoitement.

llejk said:
Guys you must not compare it with the win 6.x phones. Please jsut think about the potential and look at what you do with this phone instead of what it can't.
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Well 4 starters........it would be very usefull if it "could" establish a bluetooth connection with my qtek or for that mater with my hp laptop. That would be wooooooow. On the other hand it cant do much more than a HD2 with a pimped WM 6,5.

Search key really annoy my Mozart
Double click or confirm or somethings for HOME (Start) key in running applications
I want Proximity sensor to disable all key when cover with somethings else
(in running applications)
sorry for my poor ENGLISH

guys u are wasting time and space on XDA by creating those use less threads.... there are so many out there...
i feel so sorry for those ppl who buy things with out knowing what they are getting and then B#%@& about it like a girl... no one put a gun to your head to buy a WP7, u did it with the free will...
and come on i gave up on the Samsung i780 in 6 months as it was a mistake i made buying, which i corrected by getting a HTC Touch Pro. the screen was crap as the touch penal never work... the screen size did not allow me to run so many apps, it was so slow... so if u have used i780 for 2 years u should be glad that u bought a WP7 device as its smooth and fast..
CES is around the corner and i think the update will be launched there....

Peter V8 said:
Well 4 starters........it would be very usefull if it "could" establish a bluetooth connection with my qtek or for that mater with my hp laptop. That would be wooooooow. On the other hand it cant do much more than a HD2 with a pimped WM 6,5.
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come on u want to compare WP7 devices with your qtek..... u must be kidding me... is that company still making PDA???
i am using HD7 since the frist week of its launch... and as i have unlimited data plan i can send all the files by email, so no need to file transfer, my photos are sent to my sky drive so any one with access can view or download it.

a house so luxurious it has no windows..... wow great place to throw stones huh... just sayin... plus i agree nobody twisted anyones arm to buy one.... the fanboys need to stop cryin like girls... and i can say that... im a girl...

truffle1234 said:
come on u want to compare WP7 devices with your qtek..... u must be kidding me... is that company still making PDA???
i am using HD7 since the frist week of its launch... and as i have unlimited data plan i can send all the files by email, so no need to file transfer, my photos are sent to my sky drive so any one with access can view or download it.
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I dont want to compare anything and it wouldnt be fair, but on the qtek the bluetooth worked and with WIMO 6,5 by Tomal it was fast.
Oh and i dont need a phone for sending some pics to a sky drive to show them to other people. A working bluetooth would be fine.
Oh and changing ringtones too.
Get the point?
Adobe reader also.....more for a job thing than sending photos. The qtek made a hell of a job there regarding my buisiness.
So the post with the lux house....is not so far fetched after all :-D:-D:-D

cut it off guys
if you dont like it, you can just find more suitable phone for you
but be sure that you do some research on that phone before you buy
and stop whinning about this is not good compare to that...blah blah

hassler said:
cut it off guys
if you dont like it, you can just find more suitable phone for you
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Yeah, you are right. And it seems that soon many people will do so as downgrading mobile computer (which was any WM6.x device) to just fancy phone is not what the people doing real job with the phone are expecting. I'm just waiting for the WP7 update and if it does not contain the mandatory tethering ... bye-bye WP7. Too expensive toy ... that does nothing

prr said:
Too expensive toy ... that does nothing
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Well it does everything a Phone should.... your expectations are obviously higher then this.
Mine does everything I need, after coming from iPhone 4 and Desire HD there isn't anything in particular that I miss. Yes, it doesn't have all the same features but that's the same with any platform you choose.

Bada's Future

A interesting future is coming every day earlier, but what will be in the near future coming, what can we bada users do, currently it is a little bit boring for flashers and testers.
As i seen it, the Market is full of OSes that maybe...
Android:
Currently the non plus ultra for every power user, and the normal users, android is a good and fast os, but google is making some mistakes in the last time, i think they wont even make it opensource it will come a time where the whole os will be closed, google is showing us in the news how the realy are, they making their own grave. The main and worst thing fragmentation, if there come more restrictions we will se a other open source os growing behind androids current state.
iOS:
Apples WoW effect is gone, nobody wants to be tracked without knowing it, or even think that the iOS devices can everything, they even can less than bada, without a jailbrake this os is useless for everyone.
WinPhone7:
Here we are Microsoft your last chance to get into the big phone market, but it is not important how much developers the system has, the sellings saying words, android don't give it even a try, the ui is more than bad for nowadays, i have myself testet this system a longer time, nothing was more boring as ...
WebOS:
Pushed by HP it will get to a new speare, but i think WebOS will be more interesting for netbooks or someting like that, cause this os on a palm prevent even starting it, witouth registering an web account.
Symbian:
Dead, nothing to say here, the worst system for the todays standard ...
Bada:
Bada was in this first year for more then a quarter of people disappointing, android have push, everyone wont push, apple have much apps, everyone wont much apps, and the circle is turning around since a year. Bada was the only OS with so much features in the first version, what is a little plus point for the os, we cannot compare this above older systems that are developed since years, that would be unfair.
2.0 the last chance? Definitely Yes, if samsung surprizes with bada 2.0 and let the other OSes seem old, it wil be a chance to get the gone users back.
If not, than we will not be able to choose anymore systems, the two monopols currently will raise much more, and we will have a lot of manufacturers that are realeasing the same hardware with the same os, very cool, only the design will be the main part, by searching the perfect phone, yahooo.
More Opponents on the market is good, and i personaly hope that bada will stick the mouth of the critizizm, there is a lot of disapointing things on the currently market, to bad.
Let us hope that samsung deos it this time better, else we will all sell our soul on google or apple.
As developer i like bada, no market has such a place to establish some little developers, and the main community is fantastic, thank you all.

larioteo said:
A interesting future is coming every day earlier, but what will be in the near future coming, what can we bada users do, currently it is a little bit boring for flashers and testers.
As i seen it, the Market is full of OSes that maybe...
Android:
Currently the non plus ultra for every power user, and the normal users, android is a good and fast os, but google is making some mistakes in the last time, i think they wont even make it opensource it will come a time where the whole os will be closed, google is showing us in the news how the realy are, they making their own grave. The main and worst thing fragmentation, if there come more restrictions we will se a other open source os growing behind androids current state.
iOS:
Apples WoW effect is gone, nobody wants to be tracked without knowing it, or even think that the iOS devices can everything, they even can less than bada, without a jailbrake this os is useless for everyone.
WinPhone7:
Here we are Microsoft your last chance to get into the big phone market, but it is not important how much developers the system has, the sellings saying words, android don't give it even a try, the ui is more than bad for nowadays, i have myself testet this system a longer time, nothing was more boring as ...
WebOS:
Pushed by HP it will get to a new speare, but i think WebOS will be more interesting for netbooks or someting like that, cause this os on a palm prevent even starting it, witouth registering an web account.
Symbian:
Dead, nothing to say here, the worst system for the todays standard ...
Bada:
Bada was in this first year for more then a quarter of people disappointing, android have push, everyone wont push, apple have much apps, everyone wont much apps, and the circle is turning around since a year. Bada was the only OS with so much features in the first version, what is a little plus point for the os, we cannot compare this above older systems that are developed since years, that would be unfair.
2.0 the last chance? Definitely Yes, if samsung surprizes with bada 2.0 and let the other OSes seem old, it wil be a chance to get the gone users back.
If not, than we will not be able to choose anymore systems, the two monopols currently will raise much more, and we will have a lot of manufacturers that are realeasing the same hardware with the same os, very cool, only the design will be the main part, by searching the perfect phone, yahooo.
More Opponents on the market is good, and i personaly hope that bada will stick the mouth of the critizizm, there is a lot of disapointing things on the currently market, to bad.
Let us hope that samsung deos it this time better, else we will all sell our soul on google or apple.
As developer i like bada, no market has such a place to establish some little developers, and the main community is fantastic, thank you all.
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Good evaluation. makes me think closely on the next purchase of a new smartphone

There is only one point i disagree with you is about windows phone 7..because microsoft bring lot of new features with mango update and metro UI is unique and innovative and it will get better..even windows phone 7 is new os and i can say its better than bada..i like bada but i getting tired of samsung and their horrible upgrading process.i will keep bada until next year and my next phone would be wp7..
Just my thoughts..no offense..

Yeah, one should never underestimate microsoft. If they really want their OS to be successful, they'll find a way to achieve this ....

vivekforbes said:
There is only one point i disagree with you is about windows phone 7..because microsoft bring lot of new features with mango update and metro UI is unique and innovative and it will get better..even windows phone 7 is new os and i can say its better than bada..i like bada but i getting tired of samsung and their horrible upgrading process.i will keep bada until next year and my next phone would be wp7..
Just my thoughts..no offense..
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Hmm i don't know anyone in my friendship has sold the windows phones and switched to Android, the UI is a little bit boring (this is my thinking). I rather would sold my soul to android before i use anymore a windows mobile/phone os, windows mobile also started good, but at the near and. I don't know let us see what the feature brings.
I am rating on the sells of new devices the windows phone 7 devices are even cheaper than the wave II and that is not good sign, but i can also mean it wrong.
General i am using also windows on the PC, cause a lot of stuff i need deosn't run on my netbsd. All around it is surely inovative, but such a style in times of the power of android, is in my opinion not enough.

1. Well, if we get a Samsung Wave III with the Galaxy S2's hardware and the Bada 2.0 operating system for 250 - 350 € this year, then I will be happy (and give a **** about Android or WP7). =]
2. Otherwise I will stick to Bada 2.0 on the Wave (I) and have fun with that until it grows old and I need a new one.
3. If Bada 2.0 turns out to be great **** (which I doubt strongly), then I will still keep my Wave (with Bada 1.2 or 2.0) some weeks/months and wait until the Galaxy S2 is cheap to get.
This is my (mobile phone) future ... and I have a feeling it goes hand in hand with Bada's future.

xsycox said:
1. Well, if we get a Samsung Wave III with the Galaxy S2's hardware and the Bada 2.0 operating system for 250 - 350 € this year, then I will be happy (and give a **** about Android or WP7). =]
2. Otherwise I will stick to Bada 2.0 on the Wave (I) and have fun with that until it grows old and I need a new one.
3. If Bada 2.0 turns out to be great **** (which I doubt strongly), then I will still keep my Wave (with Bada 1.2 or 2.0) some weeks/months and wait until the Galaxy S2 is cheap to get.
This is my (mobile phone) future ... and I have a feeling it goes hand in hand with Bada's future.
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Yes you are right if a other OS than the todays best. Gooble makes everytime good software, only the privacy is the bad thing behind, but if bada geos completly down, we have onyl this chance.

But I really think (and hope), that Bada 2.0 (or a Wave III with Bada 2.0) will rock like hell. =)
Actually, iOS, WP7 and Android are no options for me, due to security reasons and the lack of freedom (iOS, especially). But if I had to, I would choose Android because of the lovely Galaxy S2 - fast and sexy machine. =)

xsycox said:
But I really think (and hope), that Bada 2.0 (or a Wave III with Bada 2.0) will rock like hell. =)
Actually, iOS, WP7 and Android are no options for me, due to security reasons and the lack of freedom (iOS, especially). But if I had to, I would choose Android because of the lovely Galaxy S2 - fast and sexy machine. =)
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Yes very sexy .
At time i am happy with bada, i buyed today 8 Apps for 10 € (5 Gameloft Games)
In Austria the phone bill works.

Bada 2.0 in India in July

And it is July now
Here's the post I found http://archiverabhinav.blogspot.com/2011/04/samsung-bada-2-launch-announced-for.html

no wonder i have somewhere read that bada has in india 10 % of market, they are aming to countries that like bada, germany as i am using its firmwares will get it i think as last, the people there dont like bada and putting it down on every forum.
maybe it is better so, india has more oses to choose and we are sitting on only two to choose, yepee.

Lol that is old news
after that samsung shifted to september

kadavil said:
Lol that is old news
after that samsung shifted to september
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lol
as i remember they said on mwc that the sdk will come on july and bada 2.0 on september for wave and waveII.
and this news is from april. I dont know also the pictures are from this guy here that postet the first bada 2.0 pictures, this is not a long time ago.

In April, they said bada 2.0 will come to India in July..
few weeks later, a tweet from them said September

Thanks Kadavil for info..( btw are u the same kadavil who is on badaforums? )

flopsyyy said:
Thanks Kadavil for info..( btw are u the same kadavil who is on badaforums? )
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Yes..he is the same kadavil

Maybe they will launch the Wave 578 in July (with Bada 2.0) and the 2.0 FW for Wave and Wave II will be released in September.. That way.. both news will be true
What we can get earlier though is the public beta/ other country versions.

antz.bin said:
Maybe they will launch the Wave 578 in July (with Bada 2.0) and the 2.0 FW for Wave and Wave II will be released in September.. That way.. both news will be true
What we can get earlier though is the public beta/ other country versions.
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Public beta wont be out yet
The closed beta is only about to start and everyone in it is bound by the TOC not to distribute it
Im in the closed beta and the 2.0 SDK is not yet out either so looking at September would be a good indication for the Beta to be out not the release

Well, As i see Bada 2.0 is much awaited. And, I think people who got Android on Wave are soon gonna throw away android and get Bada...Maybe there will be a port of bada into Samsung Galaxy

roxyroot said:
Well, As i see Bada 2.0 is much awaited. And, I think people who got Android on Wave are soon gonna throw away android and get Bada...Maybe there will be a port of bada into Samsung Galaxy
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ha ha it will never happen be sure

lol it is currently happaning, everyone wants bada 2.0 on wave

larioteo said:
lol it is currently happaning, everyone wants bada 2.0 on wave
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Sure. Because of the leaked firmware. But we had the same when the first android build leaked... So I think it's just a matter of personal taste. I'm happy seeing the 2.0.1 leaked, and to be honest I like what I see on the videos. But I won't stop developing Android because of it...

maybe yes, why not? android has his supporters more than enough some bada hackers are always welcome. hack the kernel give us root rights, than you will be more than a hero man. the first person that hacked bada and not the 100000000 person that hacked android.

used bada 2.0 for two hours
liked it... but still want android

larioteo said:
hack the kernel give us root rights, than you will be more than a hero man.
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All is possible.
How would you define root rights? I'm not familiar with the API - what is that functionality that is not accessible?
We all need to be aware that any stick has two ends and privilege escalation may easily lead to malicious usage at some point.

what root rights, you don't have a plan man, why you need root rights? an app can write to media folder over an api that is secure, on android an app can send you data to anywhere with root rights, what is better? every app is possible, a little bit reading the documentation would help, and the protection that noone can hack the apps as easy is for developers a dream on android there are so many illegal stuff, that the small ones doesnt earn anything on it, everybody using android here wants to use illegal software and this is why android is crap, why to develop for such a os, for fun? some people needs to earn money with their coding, what can they say? they all going to ios cause there you can earn much more money, and bada 2.0 is the opponennt of ios not android, android is only a illegal container for me, no interesting stuff in, you must even install a packet counter app to know how much you use internet connection, realy unusable an os that cannot do what my old W800i could do.

Sorry, but I didn't get what you mean. I don't need root rights for anything. I'm not mobile developer, I do research for fun and I honestly don't crave for Android. I was referring to your previous post about bada hacking and just wanted to know what you mean. I definitively could use some reading of the documentation, but it would be by far more convenient if you just answered the question. I support initiatives where people sacrifice their time and don't get into fights between mobile platforms. I do not support warez and do not publish anything leading to developers losses. I can understand your irritation as you (from what I understand) code for living, but try to canalize the emotions in the other direction. I rephrase the question:
Is there a blocked functionality in bada that the developers could potentially use, but it is not usable without certain permissions or access to some resources?

OK rootrights would be in one point nice, to access the internal system and to do some major changes witout custom firmwares or stunes, that is all, if i want to change something or to add my email account backup this would be a nice solution for everyone, all other things i am also not interested in.

We'll see, but I don't suppose it to be a kindergarten play. I should have a bit more time for this in August. Maybe there will be some more Bada 2.0 firmwares to analyze by that time.

Bye Bye Andro-Wave Users

Everyone knows what i am thinking about android, and now we are clean from this crappy os, thank you xda admins. Know we can discuess here witouth disturb of ... users.
It is beter for all. no need for 2 oses in one section.
And know i will say it officialy i am an android hater and doing everything to bring this os to fall. it is easy cause google makes at his own mistakes in last time, my friends would never buy android and there are even more and more, when they hear about viruses ... and so on, no need to list everything yet.
ok i am happy that i doesnt must read here anymore android sh...
i already gave me a one star vote

That crappy OS has more than twohundred-thousand apps already on the Market.
Using Android on a Samsung Wave is a chance to survive.

always the same answer, the os is crap and have a lot of apps, what is better? everyone can choose, not everyone need tausend of fart apps, on bada there are 3
Or an apps to sd app... why they cannot built such things in?
Android on wave runs as nothing, its a phone you cannot even call someone, realy bad.

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always the same answer, the os is crap and have a lot of apps, what is better? everyone can choose, not everyone need tausend of fart apps, on bada there are 3
Or an apps to sd app... why they cannot built such things in?
Android on wave runs as nothing, its a phone you cannot even call someone, realy bad.
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That's a 4 year old kid argument.
You can't blame Android. The project is not half done yet, moron...

hey i dont mind using android and bada 2.0 on my wave it would be like a dream come true.

congrats, you just changed everyones mind. 550, 500 buyers per day just stopped buying android... lol

it's crazy
the windows also has viruses , and it's too many than andriod so windows not good?
maybe andriod not good than bada ,but it can free to install any app ,and bada can't ,when bada install a app the phone must online or it can't install successfull ,and bada app can't share to others like the other OS

Android OS has one big advantage over the other OSes - speed of draining the battery out )

ortega1 said:
Android OS has one big advantage over the other OSes - speed of draining the battery out )
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really depends on the hardware, which some manufacturers have let us down. Most devices from this year are lasting a day or two with heavy use though. Users have demanded better battery life, and they got it. The main problem with android is that people will go buy some ****ty device (sony x10 for example) and think all android phones are like that. People have no clue about tech, they dont look to see what the battery is rated at, dont bother to find out what kind of cpu/gpu the device has, dont bother to research what a device can actually do. For something that we stare at for hours a day it seems, I cant understand the behaviour. Bada is pretty good, but it seems a bit pointless unless samsung makes more money from it somehow.

Im ok no need make's 7 picture difference just Samsung do like Apple make's real OS for Phone and Bada 2 its an example you can see. Its works realy like an Iphone GUI !!! Android use too much processus and memory there's why your phone need battery charge all time !!!

Tigrouzen said:
Im ok no need make's 7 picture difference just Samsung do like Apple make's real OS for Phone and Bada 2 its an example you can see. Its works realy like an Iphone GUI !!! Android use too much processus and memory there's why your phone need battery charge all time !!!
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blaaaarrrg please stop, an "iPhone GUI" cannot be referred to as "good" and bada deserves better than to be compared to that garbage in any way
large difference: a bada smartphone has more than one stupid button on the front

Ok no one makes any sence at all.
I know English is not everyones primary or even secondary launguage but try at least to make sence when trying to make an argument.
Facts of the matter is take the Android Appstore away and what do you have .... ..... ......
Yes exacetely.
Its the only arguable point Android holds over any of the other OS's.
Same applies to a IdontPhone ... take the appstore away and you have a ? ... .... .....
Yes Exacetely.
For ppl that want 7 cazillion apps thats useless sure go for Android or iOS...
For ppl that want a funtional phone that can do exacetely the same at 1/4 the price ... Bada is maybe not such a bad idea.
I for one supports Bada and would like to see it grow in the market. More choice = more competition = reduced prices.
And no I dont need a app that i can take a dump on my screen and the app tells me "Holly crap you just Shat on your screen" thanks mr obvious ... its pointless

Tigrouzen said:
Im ok no need make's 7 picture difference just Samsung do like Apple make's real OS for Phone and Bada 2 its an example you can see. Its works realy like an Iphone GUI !!! Android use too much processus and memory there's why your phone need battery charge all time !!!
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touchwiz 4.0 is the same on both android and bada. As far as end user experience goes the 2 arent much different, except bada has less support and gets put on lesser hardware.

Well, I use both Android as well as Bada....On 2 separate phones, you see! I never wanted Android on The Bada series....Bada has its own specialties. If you ever wanted an Android, why did you choose Bada at the first! Senseless! Totally not worthy! I love Bada for what it is and android for what it is!

So on the one site iOS and bada
on the other site Android and Phone7
for anyone is a realy good os for download.
iOS = for app lovers
bada = for os lovers
Android = for i do it as i like people
Phone7 = for the i need no much people
we all have our preferences, and now all should understand that for one person android is god os, and for another not, we have now separate forums and there is yet a free way for everyone to cummunicate.
but to say another os is ****, why it doesnt have many apps as other --> understand it, there are people they want such functions integrated and not always a seperate app --> nobody critics android in his forums, please respect us bada evangelists and let us discuess about our favorite os.
It is like a religion war, everyone thinks his is the best, maybe we can get benefits supporting both sites, a monopol never looked good on earth, to much power for one company can harm us all.
Be cool and get the info of your interest, it is realy good that we now have our own part here and everyone can free discuss.
is this childish enough? @ aLexzkter how old are you? 4 years so long isnt android old^^ a functional version.

So on the one site iOS and bada
on the other site Android and Phone7
for anyone is a realy good os for download.
iOS = for app lovers
bada = for os lovers
Android = for i do it as i like people
Phone7 = for the i need no much people
we all have our preferences, and now all should understand that for one person android is good os, and for another not, we have now separate forums and there is yet a free way for everyone to cummunicate.
but to say another os is ****, why it doesnt have many apps as other --> understand it, there are people they want such functions integrated and not always a seperate app --> nobody critics android in his forums, please respect us bada evangelists and let us discuess about our favorite os.
It is like a religion war, everyone thinks his is the best, maybe we can get benefits supporting both sites, a monopol never looked good on earth, to much power for one company can harm us all.
Be cool and get the info of your interest, it is realy good that we now have our own part here and everyone can free discuss.

So on the one site iOS and bada
on the other site Android and Phone7
for anyone is a realy good os for download.
iOS = for app lovers
bada = for os lovers
Android = for i do it as i like people
Phone7 = for the i need no much people
we all have our preferences, and now all should understand that for one person android is good os, and for another not, we have now separate forums and there is yet a free way for everyone to cummunicate.
but to say another os is ****, why it doesnt have many apps as other --> understand it, there are people they want such functions integrated and not always a seperate app --> nobody critics android in his forums, please respect us bada evangelists and let us discuess about our favorite os.
It is like a religion war, everyone thinks his is the best, maybe we can get benefits supporting both sites, a monopol never looked good on earth, to much power for one company can harm us all.
Be cool and get the info of your interest, it is realy good that we now have our own part here and everyone can free discuss.

You started the war remember?
You were first to pick up the stone so dont be surprised if they threw stones back at you.
if you have just kept off the childish comments, you could've avoided this.
(im not criticizing you but i am saying you shouldnt be suprised if people reacted
against the negative things you said)
Also whether you evangelize on bada or not, the way you did it, actually turned people off, plus the fact that you also made other bada users look uncool.
There is no reason to piss off android developers or android users or iOS users.
Instead of converting them you just turned them off from BADA, not by
BADA's fault but by your attitude.

I think as i read the unaccessary critik from people on 2.0 posts that even havent testet it yet that i am not the first one who has thrown the frist stone, you should read them before.
Also it is not neccessary for users that even dont ever had an bada phone come here and critizise me or other for supporting a non android based phone, is this fair?
People that like to have illegal apps, they are criminal and i will never support such ones, people that like android as it is, are something different, they pay their apps and everybody is happy. but i also see in ports only hacking of paid apps, and no developer likes this.
A developer makes his own things like apps or such stuff, and if we make good work than why not to pay us? the main thing is that i hate people that are using illegal software not they that uses it to support the hard work of people.
What would you think when you loose 50% of your money every month, why some people think it is not fair to pay for apps.
I have said the main part, i know many intelligent android users that uses the system with care and pay for there stuff, but the black side is larger.
There are differences
Developer = Makes apps to earn money or just for fun and free
Hacker = uses other sources to change a system sometimes in good minds sometimes it harms the first group
Android port of oleg is positive
but the hacking of paid apps from nearly everyone is negative. and stealing always overlays the other part.

In a way i can understand some of the views in this thread. But to say android is junk and has viruses? Does linux? Maybe a handfull. Much more likely to get one with WinMo. Or windows for that matter. Android is much more efficient and better off than WinMo will ever be. And i was a hardcore WinMo user. Android has TONs more to offer than WinMo. Not so sure on Bada OS as i have not used it.
But i can have over 200mb free on a Reboot and have all apps loaded into mem and ready to go. No using any CPU cycles. Can any other phone O.S do that? .
Not to mention the endless mods kernel wise and O.S... So not sure where the Anti android comes from other that you have only used it on your device. Just as i did back years ago. On WinMo. And sure it was not good at all. But also not supposed to be on that device to begin with. So just wait. It will only get better for your devices. Much faster and much smoother. Wait and see.
And on that thought. Thread locked before a Flame war starts

[Q] Dual boot bada 1.2 and 2.0 - would it be possible?

Since people already succeeded in dual booting bada vs android...
would it be possible to get a dual boot of bada 1.2 vs bada 2.0 ?
Could it be done without much development hassle, with the knowledge already retained from the android saga?
This may sound strange, but this way we could keep some of the "functionalities" that only work in some bada 1.2 firmwares

At this time only rumours from users without evidence...
Both at same time, bada 1.2 + bada 2.0 near impossible...
But rumours exists there are somewhere "unknown" users ... working on Dual Boot bada 2.0 + Android... as FOTA is gone...
Maybe if this is successfully happen, because now really Bootloader tweaking is necessary... then other dream project MAYBE possible.
But in German language...
"Von nichts kommt nichts..."
Quick and dirty Translation:
From nothing, can nothing be grown...
Something like, if we only dreaming + waiting and nothing nor nobody do something, then result = ZERO = 0
Best Regards

@ dualboot Bada 1.2 + Bada 2.0:
Of course it is possible, with much effort, work and patience, but...
Who the heck would need it?!
adfree said:
At this time only rumours from users without evidence...
Both at same time, bada 1.2 + bada 2.0 near impossible...
But rumours exists there are somewhere "unknown" users ... working on Dual Boot bada 2.0 + Android... as FOTA is gone...
Maybe if this is successfully happen, because now really Bootloader tweaking is necessary... then other dream project MAYBE possible.
But in German language...
"Von nichts kommt nichts..."
Quick and dirty Translation:
From nothing, can nothing be grown...
Something like, if we only dreaming + waiting and nothing nor nobody do something, then result = ZERO = 0
Best Regards
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Most likely dualboot of Bada 2.0 + Android is still possible through FOTA, if not - through modified BL. But custom flashing anything to oneNAND comes up with big risk of brick - I called flash_write 4MB on 0x1D00_0000 area of my oneNAND from FOTA and BL3 has been damaged in result of that, so mechanism of flashing oneNAND and is still unknown, though we've got almost whole sourcecode of all functions, but noone has got enough patience to dive into it and write some specification.

adfree said:
..... But rumours exists there are somewhere "unknown" users ... working on Dual Boot bada 2.0 + Android... as FOTA is gone...
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Not true
FOTA is just not seperate from Bada 2.0.1 now Its integrated into the FW now and not seperated like previously.
Having both runnig as a Dual boot is impossible and a lie. The Bootloader from Bada is NOT compatable with the Android and visa versa.
Having both Bada 1.2 and 2.0 running on Dual boot will also not be possible because you cant have 2 instances of the bootloader as that initialises the firmware and that is Hash checked.
They are in the process to decrypt it as far as I understand but the hash dont match to boot with and if its wrong you will brick your phone... so its a 1 shot deal to test it

toxicdust said:
Not true
FOTA is just not seperate from Bada 2.0.1 now Its integrated into the FW now and not seperated like previously.
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Hi!
I don't want to offend you, but do you have proof of this or is this just a hunch? As there's no final 2.0 yet we can't be sure that it won't have FOTA. There were previous Bada versions without FOTA... Who wants to upgrade beta OS over the air anyway (except for Apple )

ok folks, thanks for answers
i only asked cause i didnt want to lose the spoofing ability for some apps... since that seems not be able now in bada 2.0
ill wait for final 2.0 to see if the benfits it brings make up for this disadvantage

anghelyi said:
Hi!
I don't want to offend you, but do you have proof of this or is this just a hunch? As there's no final 2.0 yet we can't be sure that it won't have FOTA. There were previous Bada versions without FOTA... Who wants to upgrade beta OS over the air anyway (except for Apple )
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Look at the Attachments
All it goes is say there is no newer firmware available for your phone.
Now as you know there is no FOTA file flashed with the Bada 2.0.1 KH1 version im running.
So where are those options coming from and why check the server for a new version and report back there is none ...

It doesn't prove that FOTA file cannot be flashed separately. I'm nearly sure it can be done. It need only 1 or 2 modifications.

Time to leave Spoofing then
Samsung apps already has a lot of premium 3d games going on sale for just a bit over a dollar.
I already bought some so when i get the official bada 2 release ill have my favorite games.
They even have this new promo from Gameloft that games worth that used to be $4 or $5 usd will be sold for $1.25 going on right now till next month.
I got splinter cell an almost 500mb download for only $1.25.
Ill admit i did use spoofing on bada 1.2 because many of the games i wanted were too expensive compared to their android versions but when i saw the discounted sales promo i paid for the games i wanted and i felt deserved payment because of the efforts of the developers, the large amount of content plus i do think the developers deserved to be compensated for their creativity and hard work.
As opposed to some developers who make a game thats only 9mb or less and want 1 to 4 US dollars for it all in lackluster 2d and sucky gameplay.
There are the free 3d games like Zombie Deathland that i would rather pay for than the other not to be mentioned games.
Now Gameloft is in a different class by itself.
You can see that their 3dgames do take advantage of the wave 8500 hardware
plus the games usually are really huge downloads and have great gameplay,
graphics etc
So i bought their games at 1.25 USD coz it was worth it.
Why would i sacrifice bada 1.2 with its spoofing abilites for BADA 2
in-spite of paying for apps on the new bada 2?
1) Limited Text message storage (1300 max)
In the sales field i easily reach that limit every week sometimes
in a few days.
2) Limited APPS pages (max of 10)
bada 2 allows making folders plus it can now install all the free apps
I want which i cant do on BAda 1.2 as it would mean removing my
other apps to make room.
3) Limited Contacts (max 1500 or 2000 i cant remember exactly)
Really? In this time and age ive got outlook express filled with
10 years worth of contacts from my very first customers from
year 2000 to 2011. Forced me to edit my records to fit them into the
phone.
The above 3 reasons are really important game changers for me at least.
Im gonna miss picsel office full version but i hardly edit on a cellphone anyway.

Ok bong4316, i can see your point but that is your case.
From my point of view those points you mention are totally irrelevent (i just dont have the need for any of that), and i would not trade spoofing for it.
Im sure a lot of ppl are also equating this trade (i know some at least).
Now if samsung apps price would be brought down to android/iphone level, that would be another question, but unfortunately i still find bada appstore much too expensive in comparison. Maybe the future will prove otherwise, lets hope.
Oh, and the number of good free apps needs to increase also.
In my view, thats why android go so popular.
Well, theres one thing that could me make decide with bada 2: a GPS working flawlessly (i mean, like iphone), cause the GPS in bada 1.2 is a joke when compared to most other smartphones
I dont mind paying 10 to 30 eur for a good gps software, but it has to run flawlessy (even if the problem comes form the hardware/firmwware).
I also find the picsel office price adequate.
But most other apps are way too expensive.
Starting with the mimimum price... come on.. why cant we have apps costing 10 cents or 50 cents?
My 2 cents

Rebellos said:
It doesn't prove that FOTA file cannot be flashed separately. I'm nearly sure it can be done. It need only 1 or 2 modifications.
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Well it just proves its already part of the firmware ... So read again what I said then it would make sense that i said its part of the FW currently
In future it may be changed but atm that's not the case. Until then the statements become irrelevant

I've read it again twice and I still don't get your point.
There were alot of bada 1.2 ROMs WITHOUT FOTA module included, but capable to run FOTA flashed separately. Did anybody tried it in 2.0? Don't think so, because Samsung havent released any official FOTA module yet (why would they do it for beta version), and here are very few people that can make it by their own.

Rebellos said:
I've read it again twice and I still don't get your point.
There were alot of bada 1.2 ROMs WITHOUT FOTA module included, but capable to run FOTA flashed separately. Did anybody tried it in 2.0? Don't think so, because Samsung havent released any official FOTA module yet (why would they do it for beta version), and here are very few people that can make it by their own.
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Clearly you haven't flashed as many times as i have over the last year I had my Wave
Every time there was a FOTA file included in Bada 1.2 in the settings there was a Software update option in the General settings. Whenever there was no FOTA for the selected firmware that option was NOT in the menu.
So logically that explains why there would be or would not be one in the Bada 1.2
Go flash your phone and check it again and you will understand what i'm saying.
Bada 2.0 DONT have a FOTA file and yet the option is there and working.
So clearly you have no clue as to whats going on in the Bada 1.2 FW or the Bada 2.0 FW making your statement still irrelevant
But w/e dude. I was merely stating the facts. No need to get all worked up about it.

Hey toxicdust
you are wrong
try to flash your wave with S8500JPKC1 (it has no FOTA) and you will find the update option
it is dummy but who cares
the update option is in the settings interface layout (*.rc1 file as i think)NOT in FOTA file
Maybe FOTA will come later for 2.0
Maybe it will be included in the bootloader to kill Android project
no one really know what is bada team will do so we are just waiting and hoping
Best Regards

But i havent seen apps at even 50 cents ever.
Ive seen apps in the Apple store and android store at 99 cents but 50 cents?
And you know even in my country a dollar and 25 cents isnt that much to pay for
good software, these developers have to make a living too but i would choose to support only the best developers who give the best for my money and of course if they have their seasonal sale.
So maybe spoofing is great to try out a game before paying for it.
But i never intended not to pay for the games at all.
only the ones i never really liked those i wont pay for.
1.25 is a bit higher than the 99 cents in the android and iOs stores true
and it should change. However some games and apps give more than 99 cents
or 1.25USD
regardless of bada 1.2 or bada 2, some developers pour in a lot of heartbreaking work into their apps (others dont i agree but some devs really work hard)
its not good to ...well enjoy someones hardwork and not compensate them.

Well i meant 50 cents of Euro (i pretty sure ive seen that in the past.. but now i checked again and the minimum now seems to be 79 cents in applestore, which must correspond to the 99 cents of USD you talk about).
The minimum for bada is 1 eur (therefore 1,25 USD), which is about 26,5% more.
I agree with you when you say good and unique apps must be paid a fair price to compensate the devs work.
But in my opinion the bada appstore, and bada itself as a system, will only have a future if the number of good free apps has a large increase, and/or there is some kind of way of spoofing/jailbreaking (or wathever you wanna call it).
This is what makes a OS grow (since windows 3.1 time ). If its fair or not its another question, but such is life
As i said before, for me the perfect combination would be Bada OS with all the android apps. I'll keep dreaming