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Why all the hate?

We get that you don't like WP7, you come in here daily stating it for no reason that I can see. I certainly don't see it benefiting anyone or changing anyones minds. When I look in the android general section I don't see a bunch of WP7 fans in there posting about the (many) faults of the OS. What about Windows could possibly bring about so much hate except perhaps jealousy? I just don't see the reason why anyone wants to come in here over and over again more or less neglecting their own devices forum to bash on an OS most of them have never used. If you have a WP7 device and want to come bash it then whatever but really... no need for all this senseless hatred...

Well, I like it

Because alot of the people you speak of are not android or apple fans yet. They are still weighing their options of which os and phone is better. And when a android or apple user tell them whats wrong and what features are missing. The wp7 pole jockers start to get their feelings hurt, because the phone will eventually have the updates but dont. Thats my 2 cents.
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Fear
These people you speak of do not like MS for whatever personal reasons. The thought that something like WP7 might be successful irritates the heck out of them. They fear that MS will be successful and it drives them crazy, so they post hateful messages in hopes that someone, anyone, will agree with them and reinforce their hope that MS will fail. Childish, immature, unrealistic, misguided, and, quite frankly, kind of disturbing.

z33dev33l said:
We get that you don't like WP7, you come in here daily stating it for no reason that I can see. I certainly don't see it benefiting anyone or changing anyones minds. When I look in the android general section I don't see a bunch of WP7 fans in there posting about the (many) faults of the OS. What about Windows could possibly bring about so much hate except perhaps jealousy? I just don't see the reason why anyone wants to come in here over and over again more or less neglecting their own devices forum to bash on an OS most of them have never used. If you have a WP7 device and want to come bash it then whatever but really... no need for all this senseless hatred...
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What "hate"?...... hate is a pretty strong word for an inanimate object, if your talking about the many shortcomings of WP7 that are constantly pointed out, so what, they need to be pointed out and *****ed about otherwise MS won't change them.
There's probably an element of teasing people because of funny threads like you started about how you've never been so impressed with an OS, with many silly words like "love" and "beautiful" used and how it's so much smoother than whatever, if having smooth swiping and scrolling is your total requirement for a mobile OS, don't get upset when others think it isn't.
Don't assume everybody who says anything negative about WP7 is an Android user, a lot of them are long time PPC/WM users and have probably lost more than you've gained with WP7, it's their right as a customer to bleat all they want, people can say WP7 is not a replacement for WM all they like, fact is, it's being marketed and sold as one by Microsoft.....and it ain't....not even close.
People that are getting all bitter and twisted over others negative comments, need to step back and accept that XDA is a public forum moderated by users trying to be impartial, and if you don't like it, my suggestion is to start your own WP7 enthusiasts forum where you can moderate all negativity to your hearts desire....maybe a yahoo group or something where you can vet users thoroughly before allowing them into your little happy world etc.
"Try it, before you criticize it", yet every post I've read in here where someone has, and then they are pointing out it's shortcomings, WP7 defenders start saying inane things like....you should have known, and.......go back to your beloved android, honestly, this forum is like reading a commentary of primary school life or something these days, it used to be great, now it seems like some sort of perverted amusement value where no one can accept that someone else has different wants or requirements, and start using ridiculous terms like jealousy...hate...love...beauty...trolls....fanboys on and on....pretty bizarre [if not amusing] reading considering handhelds are being discussed.
edit> Fear, there's another one.
Carry on.

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People that are getting all bitter and twisted over others negative comments, need to step back and accept that XDA is a public forum moderated by users trying to be impartial, and if you don't like it, my suggestion is to start your own WP7 enthusiasts forum where you can moderate all negativity to your hearts desire....maybe a yahoo group or something where you can vet users thoroughly before allowing them into your little happy world etc.
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So essentially it should be like WM6.5 (a failed OS regardless of what the members here say) or bust because its made by a company who in the early 2000s wanted to put out a phone that had some computer functionality and havent changed it much since? I loved WM primarily because I COULD modify the UI to something beautiful and I could always update it with the latest version of some UI replacement and I could do all this but at the end of the day it's nice to have a phone that just works from the start without a stylus or lag or anything. After owning a veritable ton of smartphones I can honestly say that with the WP7 I dont feel that I need to mod it to make it amazing. Yeah, it lacks a few basic features but I think it more than makes up for it in the areas it excels. I understand that not everyones going to like it. Some people are concerned with physical customizations I've personally not seen a UI so smooth before so I dont need any physical changes. However, more often than not if someone posts a thread like "I want to get a WP7" or something like that trolls will flock to the thread and try and pull them to android. I mean its not a big deal for some but some of us cant stand fragmentation. It's annoying and its an issue you'd think they wouldve addressed prior to this. If people want WM 6.5 its there. For those of us who want something newer that actually has a chance in the smartphone world, WP7 is there.

z33dev33l said:
So essentially it should be like WM6.5 (a failed OS regardless of what the members here say) or bust because its made by a company who in the early 2000s wanted to put out a phone that had some computer functionality and havent changed it much since? I loved WM primarily because I COULD modify the UI to something beautiful and I could always update it with the latest version of some UI replacement and I could do all this but at the end of the day it's nice to have a phone that just works from the start without a stylus or lag or anything. After owning a veritable ton of smartphones I can honestly say that with the WP7 I dont feel that I need to mod it to make it amazing. Yeah, it lacks a few basic features but I think it more than makes up for it in the areas it excels. I understand that not everyones going to like it. Some people are concerned with physical customizations I've personally not seen a UI so smooth before so I dont need any physical changes. However, more often than not if someone posts a thread like "I want to get a WP7" or something like that trolls will flock to the thread and try and pull them to android. I mean its not a big deal for some but some of us cant stand fragmentation. It's annoying and its an issue you'd think they wouldve addressed prior to this. If people want WM 6.5 its there. For those of us who want something newer that actually has a chance in the smartphone world, WP7 is there.
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Well, I'm not interested in getting into a pissing contest about mine does this and yours doesn't, you asked the question, why so much hate, and I was giving reasons I thought were probably relevant apart from the extremely popular Android users conspiracy theory.
I don't really understand why you started this thread when you think you already know the answer, what was it ever going to achieve for you apart from more negativity for something you like?

XDA's official Galaxy S hater.
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what a waste of a post. What does this prove except that you can read???

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what a waste of a post. What does this prove except that you can read???
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Well, it proves that the OP is a hypocrite as he is a Galaxy S hater. Your inability to extract this information from my post is tragically disappointing.

JoLLAJoLLA said:
Well, it proves that the OP is a hypocrite as he is a Galaxy S hater. Your inability to extract this information from my post is tragically disappointing.
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29 posts in almost a year.
Are all of them this helpful???

well.. i used to have iphone and i hate it, i changed to android, kinda better.. then now i have wp7.
WP7 is the best amoung all the OS. i just love it.
games are much better,
i can do office,
interface is easy and fast,
screen is hell big on my HD7,
BUT
games and apps are expensive like shiat!

I am not hating WP7.
I own one for 2 months now and I just realize that it is not really a smartphone.
It is rather a phone for kids or for people who are not used to smartphones and need something very basic.

arturobandini said:
I am not hating WP7.
I own one for 2 months now and I just realize that it is not really a smartphone.
It is rather a phone for kids or for people who are not used to smartphones and need something very basic.
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Ok, name me another feature phone that has:
1. MS Office
2. Netflix streaming
3. slingbox
4. 3d games
5. exchange support
Just because it doesn't meet your needs, doesn't make it a featurephone.

It indeed has some nice features, but as long it does not have:
- a file explorer,
- an easy way to manage Office files
- an easy way to send Office and pdf files
- USB drive
- Skydrive client on the phone
I don't find it business oriented enough

I had Desire and Desire Z, so both Android smartphones, well first, I loved them, but that flashing game to get better Android sucks. And With each rom, official or not I got bugs. Well, now I have Omnia7 and it's really awesome. Music player, messaging, people hubs are super! It's a great OS which was created to get things done fast. Android is created to root, install roms and get ****ed up one day. Well, I hope that many other Android users will get bored with flashy thing and grow up one day. People, don't you have anything better to do, instead of flashing roms? And creating them? Company creates OS, and developers makes apps. And with android we have, that Google creates OS, which is **** and needs things like Sense and etc. to look not like cheap **** and then users, developers creates Roms. People, create apps not roms, if you want to create OS go and Create your own or join other companies.
So my opinion about WP7: very good Os, needs some updates to get some features that are lacking and more apps )) Which will come eventually ;]

arturobandini said:
It indeed has some nice features, but as long it does not have:
- a file explorer,
- an easy way to manage Office files
- an easy way to send Office and pdf files
- USB drive
- Skydrive client on the phone
I don't find it business oriented enough
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Well, these features like explorer will come one day. And I realized that I don't need them. All my things like music and pictures are synced with zune, which is awesome. And because it's not Android I don't install ****s like Roms and etc, so file transfer is not needed for me :]

Niiceg said:
I had Desire and Desire Z, so both Android smartphones, well first, I loved them, but that flashing game to get better Android sucks. And With each rom, official or not I got bugs. Well, now I have Omnia7 and it's really awesome. Music player, messaging, people hubs are super! It's a great OS which was created to get things done fast. Android is created to root, install roms and get ****ed up one day. Well, I hope that many other Android users will get bored with flashy thing and grow up one day. People, don't you have anything better to do, instead of flashing roms? And creating them? Company creates OS, and developers makes apps. And with android we have, that Google creates OS, which is **** and needs things like Sense and etc. to look not like cheap **** and then users, developers creates Roms. People, create apps not roms, if you want to create OS go and Create your own or join other companies.
So my opinion about WP7: very good Os, needs some updates to get some features that are lacking and more apps )) Which will come eventually ;]
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Gimme a break. There is nothing bad in wanting to squash from your phone more than it gave you out of the box. Now you sound like some iPhone user
"Simply is simply better cause it's simply and I don't need nothing more". We spend hundrets of dollars to buy a capable phone, not a pretty device capable of doing things that prehistoric people did ;/.

arturobandini said:
It indeed has some nice features, but as long it does not have:
- a file explorer,
- an easy way to manage Office files
- an easy way to send Office and pdf files
- USB drive
- Skydrive client on the phone
I don't find it business oriented enough
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neither was iphone or android on first release. It will take time. I can't blame MS for taking this approach. Business users were not keeping winmo numbers up enough by themselves (along with the techies). So they are trying entertainment first with business features coming.
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Gimme a break. There is nothing bad in wanting to squash from your phone more than it gave you out of the box. Now you sound like some iPhone user
"Simply is simply better cause it's simply and I don't need nothing more". We spend hundrets of dollars to buy a capable phone, not a pretty device capable of doing things that prehistoric people did ;/.
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Nothing wrong with trying to get more out of your phone.
Something wrong with HAVING to install fixes right out of the box.

Why WP7 is 'failing'.

Or rather, not doing as well as I feel it should. This is just my opinion.
The answer is whiny developers.
From the beginning, all we've heard is 'MS didn't release this API, that's why we don't have x app by y developer'. And then time and again, so small time devs give us their version of the app mysteriously not needing said API to make it happen. Sometimes, it's even Microsft themselves shooting WP7 in the foot.
I'm no dev myself but doesn't it seem strange to you that:
1/. We have no official Google Maps app yet A to B maps and navigon exist?
2/. We have no facebook chat in our Facebook app yet Flory and FIM exist. Same for gtalk?
3/. Angry birds devs kept stalling and stalling yet some small timer brings us Chicks and Vixens?
4/. We can't have custom ringtones yet touchexplorer makes it as simple as copying and pasting to a different folder?
5/. No oifficial GoogleVoice app yet there are at least 4 decent attempts in the marketplace?
And the list goes on. Makes you wonder if:
1/. MS just released WP7 to stall for time until W8 which is supposed to be able to run on ARM and so doesn't really care how well W7 does aslong as they start gaining mindshare in prep for W8.
2/. Devs really want other OSes to do better and so aren't trying hard on WP7?
Don't give me that, not enough users BS. If your app becomes a hit, everyone will buy it or use it and cash money is cash money, no matter the user base.
3/. Are we really going to have to wait until Mango to get all the apps that really should be there now?
These are just the opinions of a WP7 user that doesn't really like having to defend his decision to buy WP7, an awesome OS being crippled by stigma against MS, ignorance on the part of vendors and laziness by MS.
Smooth transitions and a badass UI only take you so far.
MS needs to step-up their integration as well while I'm on my soap box. WP7 really does need to be better than WM6.5 in every way except stylus support IMHO.
Sorry to any I may have pissed off with this rant but I'm jetlagged and bored right now.
Have a good day.

I firstly don't agree that it's failing. On the contrary I think it's actually doing better than I expected.
I was sold on WP7 before it was even released, as I have always used WMx and despite it's love hate relationship, was confident Microsoft Knew what the hate part was and were going to get rid of it.
When Microsoft apply themselves, the results are often amazing.
The thing is they are big, like my employer, and the bigger they are the less agile they are.
Specifically to your points.
Devs complaining about this limitation vs that etc are real issues that even I encountered just trying to make a simple live tile battery/signal meter. The APIs just simply mean it can't be done in any realistic way. In time these APIs will become available and the spectrum of apps available will follow suite.
For large software houses to invest time and money in significant apps for the platform, they want to make sure they are going to get the same or better ROI as with another platform. The larger the firm, the slower they are to get their stuff together, but since the nokia announcement a lot of the big apps are looking twice at the platform and starting to make an effort.
Angry Birds developers, I believe, were always going to make a WP7 version, they just didn't like microsoft assumption/leaking of that.
WP7, on most accounts, is not failing. Perhaps it's your own frustration of why the rest of the world don't know how good it really I'd that makes you feel that way?
Just my 2c ;-)

I don't think it is failing, its just loyal WM users are hedging about a purchase (including me) because there's not a lot that they can do with the device as of this time. I personally think MS-Nokia partnership bodes well for the platform. I imagine Nokia porting a lot of their excellent apps to the WP7 platform (OviMaps using Bing data anyone? for all i care they could just use the ovimaps platform, its good as it is). I personally think its exciting and I'm looking forward to a Nokia device running WP7.

I guess it all depends on what your looking for. I dont need google maps, the preinstalled one works for me. I call/text/email all my friends or see them weekly so I could care less for facebook. I twitter a little bit but the apps in the market are sufficient. I keep my phone on vibrate most of the time but I guess it would be nice to use on sundays.
The only part thats needs some improvements to me are the browser, multitasking and I would love a remote desktop app. Thats the 3 things from android that I miss.

otech said:
I firstly don't agree that it's failing. On the contrary I think it's actually doing better than I expected.
I was sold on WP7 before it was even released, as I have always used WMx and despite it's love hate relationship, was confident Microsoft Knew what the hate part was and were going to get rid of it.
When Microsoft apply themselves, the results are often amazing.
The thing is they are big, like my employer, and the bigger they are the less agile they are.
Specifically to your points.
Devs complaining about this limitation vs that etc are real issues that even I encountered just trying to make a simple live tile battery/signal meter. The APIs just simply mean it can't be done in any realistic way. In time these APIs will become available and the spectrum of apps available will follow suite.
For large software houses to invest time and money in significant apps for the platform, they want to make sure they are going to get the same or better ROI as with another platform. The larger the firm, the slower they are to get their stuff together, but since the nokia announcement a lot of the big apps are looking twice at the platform and starting to make an effort.
Angry Birds developers, I believe, were always going to make a WP7 version, they just didn't like microsoft assumption/leaking of that.
WP7, on most accounts, is not failing. Perhaps it's your own frustration of why the rest of the world don't know how good it really I'd that makes you feel that way?
Just my 2c ;-)
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Don't get me wrong otech, I put the 'failing' in quotation marks for a reason.
I know it's doing a lot better than most expected. I just get pissed when I got to trollish blogs like engadget and see the hate spewed. I have no real loyalty to MS, just loyalty to quality which WP7 is.
It just annoys when devs say such and such can't be done, yet it is being done already.
ROI is a cop-out as they can simply make ad-based games or apps. Don't some apps make more money in Zune marketplace compared to Android marketplace?
Yet Android market share is humongous. And why do they feel the need to also publish some snide comment about how they just can't develop for WP7 because the interest isn't there? It just re-enforces my view that these devs are whiny brats.

Interestingly a Co-Pilot sat-nav guy, told me a few weeks ago that they will not be writing a program for WP7, seemingly they seem to think as the OP has stated that 7 is a holding ploy for the release of WP8. Now that really would be some sort of PR disaster to come.

failing?
lol, more and more of my friends are now useing wp7 phones..

I don't really see why we need conspiracy theories where there are simpler explanations.
The main problem with satnav apps is that they cannot be ported simply because there's no native code access. Sygic or TomTom or whoever will need to create and maintain a completely separate fork, with almost nothing being reused between their WP7 and all other versions. That's expensive, and with WP7's tiny userbase it just doesn't make any sense. It's very similar for hardcore games.
Microsoft could finance these projects, but for some reason they chose not to. One of the reasons may be that operators are quite happy selling their solutions for subscription. Navigon already did a satnav app for WP7, but they don't distribute it themselves.

1/. We have no official Google Maps app yet A to B maps and navigon exist?
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Unless your a delivery driver , do you really need google maps to find the local starbucks?
2/. We have no facebook chat in our Facebook app yet Flory and FIM exist. Same for gtalk?
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Please , let facebook go for a day ,Im sure not knowing your friends farted is eating you alive!
3/. Angry birds devs kept stalling and stalling yet some small timer brings us Chicks and Vixens?
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The game sucks
4/. We can't have custom ringtones yet touchexplorer makes it as simple as copying and pasting to a different folder?
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read this forum and learn, I have custom ringtone on my Focus , learn!
5/. No oifficial GoogleVoice app yet there are at least 4 decent attempts in the marketplace?
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You bought the phone , use it to talk , you still have to pay for the service , google voice is a joke!
1/. MS just released WP7 to stall for time until W8 which is supposed to be able to run on ARM and so doesn't really care how well W7 does aslong as they start gaining mindshare in prep for W8.
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SEEMS LIKE A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY TO COME OUT WITH WP7 FIRST ,
2/. Devs really want other OSes to do better and so aren't trying hard on WP7?
Don't give me that, not enough users BS. If your app becomes a hit, everyone will buy it or use it and cash money is cash money, no matter the user base.
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how do you figure devs want other os's to do better ,I want them all to do good ,that means more money for me!
3/. Are we really going to have to wait until Mango to get all the apps that really should be there now?
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What apps are so important , the ones you listed above? My god go back to ATT
tell them you want an iphone and you dont want a windows phone or android "i want a phone that has what Steve Jobs Feels what I should have!
I would suggest not reading engadget or gizmodo , apple lackeys , they have nothing to say about android or wp7 thats worth reading

There is some confusion in this thread over Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8.
Yes, Windows 8 will be capable of running on an ARM processor. No, it does not make sense for a full blown OS to be running on your phone, even if it can, because it doesn't make a for a good small touchscreen experience. There would always need to exist two different marketplaces.
I have not heard anything more than speculation on Windows Phone 8. But I am certain that if and ever in the near future MS were to launch WP8, it would all be part of the same ecosystem. It would be suicide in this market not to continue compatability. Obviously at some point there will need to be a cut off in forward compatability, but I don't see that happening any time soon. Not soon enough to start regretting a WP7 purchase.

Vintage144 said:
Unless your a delivery driver , do you really need google maps to find the local starbucks?
Please , let facebook go for a day ,Im sure not knowing your friends farted is eating you alive!
The game sucks
read this forum and learn, I have custom ringtone on my Focus , learn!
You bought the phone , use it to talk , you still have to pay for the service , google voice is a joke!
SEEMS LIKE A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY TO COME OUT WITH WP7 FIRST ,
how do you figure devs want other os's to do better ,I want them all to do good ,that means more money for me!
What apps are so important , the ones you listed above? My god go back to ATT
tell them you want an iphone and you dont want a windows phone or android "i want a phone that has what Steve Jobs Feels what I should have!
I would suggest not reading engadget or gizmodo , apple lackeys , they have nothing to say about android or wp7 thats worth reading
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Are you serious or did you just want to troll/have no reading comprehension skills?
1/. I'm not a delivery truck driver but I was trying to make my way around Germany last week and needed turn by turn navigation while trying to find a restaurant in town to eat at. I wonder what would've helped out...? Oh yeah!! Working maps outside of the US that provided voice guidance.
2/.This was about how WP7 is supposed to be FB integrated yet the apps are better on both IOS and Android. And I'm sorry you don't have friends to talk to from time to time that would make FB chat on your cell an asset since it's blocked by most offices.
3/. The issue of the whole article is devs. Not the quality of the games. Learn to read!!
4/. As do I. I indicated as much by telling you the method to get them with touchexplorer. I'm beginning to doubt your sanity...
5/. You really are a moron to not see the advantages of google voice. I have unlimited everything on my plan but that does me no good when I'm overseas, something I doubt you will ever have happen to you as I doubt people want your brand of ignorance exported.
6/. All capslocks sentences get no response.
7/. I don't think you're a dev if that's what you're implying.
8/. This makes no sense. I've never been on ATT. I don't like Android as it's a clone of 2 OS, wm 6.5 and IOS and the only other OS I've used extensively is Symbian besides wm6.5. Don't assume because you end up looking like an ass in the process.
My points are valid, devs have behaved like brats with WP7. Which has less limitations that IOS did back in the day yet they worked wonders for that OS.

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4/. As do I. I indicated as much by telling you the method to get them with touchexplorer. I'm beginning to doubt your sanity...
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I did a search for "Touchexplorer" and Touch Explorer" in the market and didn't find any results.

rhory said:
Interestingly a Co-Pilot sat-nav guy, told me a few weeks ago that they will not be writing a program for WP7, seemingly they seem to think as the OP has stated that 7 is a holding ploy for the release of WP8. Now that really would be some sort of PR disaster to come.
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This seems quite a silly argument. Anyone with any knowledge of Microsoft history would know that it is highly unusual for them to break from a legacy platform. WP8 is likely simply be a natural iteration on the WP7 system.
To my knowledge MS has done exactly 2 legacy breaks in it's history. NT and WP7 that's it every other OS they've developed has been a evolution rather than a revolutionary break.
WP8 will just be WP7 with the NoDo and Mango updates might get some additional interface customization but I suspect it will be able to run on current WP7 handsets.
That's just the way MS does stuff. The hard compatibility break between WM6.5 and WP7 is just not business as usual for MS.
I think it's highly unlikely that any app written for WP7 won't work on WP8 when it finally materializes.

IMHO windows phone is like the iphone now. Wp8 will not kill wp7. It will be the same ecosystem and all users will be able to upgrade. Wether will it run or not on old devices i dont know but i dont think its reasonable to say they will kill everything they´ve done with wp7 next year. Windows Phone is not like Windows mobile. Forget the old microsoft. Things are different and better now (god bless competition).

Are you guys sure WP8 won't just be W8 stripped down?
It really seems like MS is really going to go hard with mobility in their next round of OS releases. Focusing on tablets and phones and building on that.

I wish people would stop treating phones like status symbols or popularity contests. Does the phone do what you need it to do? Yes.. buy it. No don't buy it.

pillsburydoughman said:
I wish people would stop treating phones like status symbols or popularity contests. Does the phone do what you need it to do? Yes.. buy it. No don't buy it.
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I'm sorry but your post has no relevance to this thread.
It's about whiny developers, not that my phone is the best.
I knew the limitations before it came out as did anyone else on this forum who did the smart thing and researched before buying.
I just don't like the developers smear campaign against WP7 and MS. I also don't like the blogs smear campaign against it either.

I wouldn't say its failing but the OS is still fairly new and its a slightly new experience compared to iOS, S60, and even Android.
As time goes on, with more support and more phones from Nokia, WP7 should gain some more popularity.

lekki said:
I'm sorry but your post has no relevance to this thread.
It's about whiny developers, not that my phone is the best.
I knew the limitations before it came out as did anyone else on this forum who did the smart thing and researched before buying.
I just don't like the developers smear campaign against WP7 and MS. I also don't like the blogs smear campaign against it either.
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Sorry your reply makes no sense.. and I quote
These are just the opinions of a WP7 user that doesn't really like having to defend his decision to buy WP7, an awesome OS being crippled by stigma against MS, ignorance on the part of vendors and laziness by MS.
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Nobody cares why you bought WP7, I can only assume you bought it because you wanted one. It's not a matter of attack or defending anything, I see no reason why you're bothered that you have to "defend" your decision to purchase something.
Funny how you complain about whiny developers yet you're whining yourself.

lekki said:
Are you guys sure WP8 won't just be W8 stripped down?
It really seems like MS is really going to go hard with mobility in their next round of OS releases. Focusing on tablets and phones and building on that.
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Even if WP8 will be W8, so what? All current APIs are managed code, applications can be transferred without even recompiling. Since there is no native code access it doesn't matter which core the OS will use.

Bada's Future

A interesting future is coming every day earlier, but what will be in the near future coming, what can we bada users do, currently it is a little bit boring for flashers and testers.
As i seen it, the Market is full of OSes that maybe...
Android:
Currently the non plus ultra for every power user, and the normal users, android is a good and fast os, but google is making some mistakes in the last time, i think they wont even make it opensource it will come a time where the whole os will be closed, google is showing us in the news how the realy are, they making their own grave. The main and worst thing fragmentation, if there come more restrictions we will se a other open source os growing behind androids current state.
iOS:
Apples WoW effect is gone, nobody wants to be tracked without knowing it, or even think that the iOS devices can everything, they even can less than bada, without a jailbrake this os is useless for everyone.
WinPhone7:
Here we are Microsoft your last chance to get into the big phone market, but it is not important how much developers the system has, the sellings saying words, android don't give it even a try, the ui is more than bad for nowadays, i have myself testet this system a longer time, nothing was more boring as ...
WebOS:
Pushed by HP it will get to a new speare, but i think WebOS will be more interesting for netbooks or someting like that, cause this os on a palm prevent even starting it, witouth registering an web account.
Symbian:
Dead, nothing to say here, the worst system for the todays standard ...
Bada:
Bada was in this first year for more then a quarter of people disappointing, android have push, everyone wont push, apple have much apps, everyone wont much apps, and the circle is turning around since a year. Bada was the only OS with so much features in the first version, what is a little plus point for the os, we cannot compare this above older systems that are developed since years, that would be unfair.
2.0 the last chance? Definitely Yes, if samsung surprizes with bada 2.0 and let the other OSes seem old, it wil be a chance to get the gone users back.
If not, than we will not be able to choose anymore systems, the two monopols currently will raise much more, and we will have a lot of manufacturers that are realeasing the same hardware with the same os, very cool, only the design will be the main part, by searching the perfect phone, yahooo.
More Opponents on the market is good, and i personaly hope that bada will stick the mouth of the critizizm, there is a lot of disapointing things on the currently market, to bad.
Let us hope that samsung deos it this time better, else we will all sell our soul on google or apple.
As developer i like bada, no market has such a place to establish some little developers, and the main community is fantastic, thank you all.

larioteo said:
A interesting future is coming every day earlier, but what will be in the near future coming, what can we bada users do, currently it is a little bit boring for flashers and testers.
As i seen it, the Market is full of OSes that maybe...
Android:
Currently the non plus ultra for every power user, and the normal users, android is a good and fast os, but google is making some mistakes in the last time, i think they wont even make it opensource it will come a time where the whole os will be closed, google is showing us in the news how the realy are, they making their own grave. The main and worst thing fragmentation, if there come more restrictions we will se a other open source os growing behind androids current state.
iOS:
Apples WoW effect is gone, nobody wants to be tracked without knowing it, or even think that the iOS devices can everything, they even can less than bada, without a jailbrake this os is useless for everyone.
WinPhone7:
Here we are Microsoft your last chance to get into the big phone market, but it is not important how much developers the system has, the sellings saying words, android don't give it even a try, the ui is more than bad for nowadays, i have myself testet this system a longer time, nothing was more boring as ...
WebOS:
Pushed by HP it will get to a new speare, but i think WebOS will be more interesting for netbooks or someting like that, cause this os on a palm prevent even starting it, witouth registering an web account.
Symbian:
Dead, nothing to say here, the worst system for the todays standard ...
Bada:
Bada was in this first year for more then a quarter of people disappointing, android have push, everyone wont push, apple have much apps, everyone wont much apps, and the circle is turning around since a year. Bada was the only OS with so much features in the first version, what is a little plus point for the os, we cannot compare this above older systems that are developed since years, that would be unfair.
2.0 the last chance? Definitely Yes, if samsung surprizes with bada 2.0 and let the other OSes seem old, it wil be a chance to get the gone users back.
If not, than we will not be able to choose anymore systems, the two monopols currently will raise much more, and we will have a lot of manufacturers that are realeasing the same hardware with the same os, very cool, only the design will be the main part, by searching the perfect phone, yahooo.
More Opponents on the market is good, and i personaly hope that bada will stick the mouth of the critizizm, there is a lot of disapointing things on the currently market, to bad.
Let us hope that samsung deos it this time better, else we will all sell our soul on google or apple.
As developer i like bada, no market has such a place to establish some little developers, and the main community is fantastic, thank you all.
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Good evaluation. makes me think closely on the next purchase of a new smartphone

There is only one point i disagree with you is about windows phone 7..because microsoft bring lot of new features with mango update and metro UI is unique and innovative and it will get better..even windows phone 7 is new os and i can say its better than bada..i like bada but i getting tired of samsung and their horrible upgrading process.i will keep bada until next year and my next phone would be wp7..
Just my thoughts..no offense..

Yeah, one should never underestimate microsoft. If they really want their OS to be successful, they'll find a way to achieve this ....

vivekforbes said:
There is only one point i disagree with you is about windows phone 7..because microsoft bring lot of new features with mango update and metro UI is unique and innovative and it will get better..even windows phone 7 is new os and i can say its better than bada..i like bada but i getting tired of samsung and their horrible upgrading process.i will keep bada until next year and my next phone would be wp7..
Just my thoughts..no offense..
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Hmm i don't know anyone in my friendship has sold the windows phones and switched to Android, the UI is a little bit boring (this is my thinking). I rather would sold my soul to android before i use anymore a windows mobile/phone os, windows mobile also started good, but at the near and. I don't know let us see what the feature brings.
I am rating on the sells of new devices the windows phone 7 devices are even cheaper than the wave II and that is not good sign, but i can also mean it wrong.
General i am using also windows on the PC, cause a lot of stuff i need deosn't run on my netbsd. All around it is surely inovative, but such a style in times of the power of android, is in my opinion not enough.

1. Well, if we get a Samsung Wave III with the Galaxy S2's hardware and the Bada 2.0 operating system for 250 - 350 € this year, then I will be happy (and give a **** about Android or WP7). =]
2. Otherwise I will stick to Bada 2.0 on the Wave (I) and have fun with that until it grows old and I need a new one.
3. If Bada 2.0 turns out to be great **** (which I doubt strongly), then I will still keep my Wave (with Bada 1.2 or 2.0) some weeks/months and wait until the Galaxy S2 is cheap to get.
This is my (mobile phone) future ... and I have a feeling it goes hand in hand with Bada's future.

xsycox said:
1. Well, if we get a Samsung Wave III with the Galaxy S2's hardware and the Bada 2.0 operating system for 250 - 350 € this year, then I will be happy (and give a **** about Android or WP7). =]
2. Otherwise I will stick to Bada 2.0 on the Wave (I) and have fun with that until it grows old and I need a new one.
3. If Bada 2.0 turns out to be great **** (which I doubt strongly), then I will still keep my Wave (with Bada 1.2 or 2.0) some weeks/months and wait until the Galaxy S2 is cheap to get.
This is my (mobile phone) future ... and I have a feeling it goes hand in hand with Bada's future.
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Yes you are right if a other OS than the todays best. Gooble makes everytime good software, only the privacy is the bad thing behind, but if bada geos completly down, we have onyl this chance.

But I really think (and hope), that Bada 2.0 (or a Wave III with Bada 2.0) will rock like hell. =)
Actually, iOS, WP7 and Android are no options for me, due to security reasons and the lack of freedom (iOS, especially). But if I had to, I would choose Android because of the lovely Galaxy S2 - fast and sexy machine. =)

xsycox said:
But I really think (and hope), that Bada 2.0 (or a Wave III with Bada 2.0) will rock like hell. =)
Actually, iOS, WP7 and Android are no options for me, due to security reasons and the lack of freedom (iOS, especially). But if I had to, I would choose Android because of the lovely Galaxy S2 - fast and sexy machine. =)
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Yes very sexy .
At time i am happy with bada, i buyed today 8 Apps for 10 € (5 Gameloft Games)
In Austria the phone bill works.

What do you think of WP7

What do you guys think that have gone from android to WP7 think of the transistion? Do you regret it?

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What do you guys think that have gone from android to WP7 think of the transistion? Do you regret it?
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Please not another thread like that. -_-

Yes, it will only create some troubles....
Most people here are not ready to criticize or judge WP7 honestly anyway. So what do you expect?

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What do you guys think that have gone from android to WP7 think of the transistion? Do you regret it?
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yes you will regret it , if you still want these features :
1- Bluetooth file transfer
2- ability to make folder
3 - icon view
4- rooting device
5- backing up ROM
6- backing up apps
7- much much more free apps and games
8- if you google around , you find paid apps for free
9- widgets
and alot more , but these are the most important features that are missing in WP7
If you think I helped , please hit thanks

...and decent storage (i mean more than 8 or 16Gb)
...and ability to read DivX|Avi movies (without wasting your time converting them )
...and USB mass storage
...and ability to download files from the IE browser
...and ability to select and send PDF files
...or ability to edit forwarded emails
...or if ever you like the Swype keyboard

arturobandini said:
Yes, it will only create some troubles....
Most people here are not ready to criticize or judge WP7 honestly anyway. So what do you expect?
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Who said? Most sane WP7 users can acknowledge its not perfect but why is it this forum is filled mainly with threads criticizing WP7, mostly from people who dont use it? If they dont like it, why not post in forums of the OS they do like?
Thats the problem, this thread will be filled with posts by the usual haters spouting the same BS. By this time, 1 year later, shouldnt they have moved on to the platform that suits them? Yet any good point of WP7 is shouted down and discarded. You say people here arent ready to judge WP7 honestly, the haters are just as guilty of not being able to be honest and admit any positive in WP7.
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...and decent storage (i mean more than 8 or 16Gb)
...and ability to read DivX|Avi movies (without wasting your time converting them )
...and USB mass storage
...and ability to download files from the IE browser
...and ability to select and send PDF files
...or ability to edit forwarded emails
...or if ever you like the Swype keyboard
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I rest my case.

Why are people keep comparing a 5+ yr old OS to a 1 yr OS is beyond me. We all know WP still have some growing to do. The rate it's growing is alot faster than we all anticipated.

I didn't mean to start any trouble... I really am just curious. I read a lot on engaget of windows 7 phones being efficient. My main question is what I want to do. I guess I'll stick to android and get the prime, and in 2 years rethink my options.

nevermind................

GManLynx said:
What do you guys think that have gone from android to WP7 think of the transistion? Do you regret it?
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agree with dkp1977...What an another troll-bait thread.
LOL,please close this thread man....there are dozens of similar thread out there.

lol..."troll bait"
Listen, I'm a former Windows Mobile user who can shed some light. When my HTC Tilt got long in the tooth, I spent some time on borrowed Android devices. My theory was that the new Windows Phone 7 would be too locked down, too much like the iPhone, and that I'd be moving to Android instead. I loved to tinker and try to get as much out of my Windows Mobile device as possible, so figured I'd want something more powerful.
I mostly tinkered on an HTC Aria, which probably isn't a great comparison being a budget Android device, but I was modestly impressed. It honestly felt somewhat like an upgraded Windows Mobile device. Flexible, lots of options, etc.
When I was finally ready to upgrade, my wife was pregnant and I had a second job. I found myself without time to flash ROMs to my Windows Mobile device, and so I'd be stuck on a ROM I was dissatisfied with for weeks before having time to sit down and flash another one. When things didn't work on my Windows Mobile device, I would get frustrated and give up. I had stopped surfing, tinkering, installing, customizing, flashing...in other words, I started to use my HTC Tilt as a phone only, and maybe for light text messaging.
As such, I decided on a WP7 instead of Android. Boy oh boy oh boy do I NOT regret that decision. I have never ONCE looked back, and pity the fella who is still on his HTC Aria that I had borrowed. I have a dozen different hotmail accounts (because they allow custom domains and I run some businesses) and an exchange account, and they work flawlessly. The integration of contacts, calendar, messaging, mail...it's beyond helpful. I don't have to start a Facebook app, a search app, a navigation app. I can just talk to my phone to perform a search of any kind, and the browsing experience is top-notch. Facebook is right there, "merging" duplicate contacts is a joy, and I've found just about every app I think I'd ever need (granted, I moved from Windows Mobile, so it's not like I'm missing an app I ever had on another device).
Bottom line for me: if I were still a tinkerer, I may have gone with Android and would recommend Android to tinkerers (although you can definitely tinker with a WP7, if you wanted to). However, if you find yourself too busy for tinkering or just want more out of life than staring at a 4" screen and making an OS look and work the way you want, get the Windows Phone. If you want a robust smartphone that just works well, performs so many tasks natively that you really don't care about your app count, doesn't even need customizing because it looks great and performs well, get a Windows Phone.
Not only have I not looked back, but I have converted fully 5 non-techie people to Windows Phone with a sixth (the Aria fella) well on the way!
PS: My mom, unfortunately, snagged an Android device (not sure the name, but it's T-Mobile 4"-ish Samsung device) because the salesperson told her that "Android has millions of apps and Windows Phone has hardly any, and apps are what matter." I could wring that little egghead's neck, because now I'm constantly getting calls from my Mom asking how to do things on her phone, and telling me she "hates this thing" and is "confused."

I just don't know why people who genuinely hate the OS continue to come to this section... I went from WinMo, to Android, used an iPhone for a while as well, and can tell you that WinPhone is the best there is, especially at its young age. These people who want to own a phone to have to flash it weekly, or daily, can keep their Androids.

Windows phone 7.5 is great phone os. Is a nice looking os with few great built in features but is not a smartphone. I am using lg otimus 7 and i haven't any problems. Very solid and stable... And i love it... But i find my self using my 7inch Android tablet instead of my phone all the time. If someone wants a phone that can check emails and listen music wp7 is great. But if you want a mobile Internet device that can make phone calls wp7 is not an option.

Thanks your guy's insight. and you can tell i'm not a troll due to the fact if you look at my other topics started, I'm switching to verizon soon.
On the side note, for you wp7 people, do you guys go here for all your needs? like when I had an iphone i went to blah blah site, android is xda.
And I do flash A LOT. I almost wnat to break the habit. I liked cydia back on the iphone, I want the OS to be perfect, but if the apps arent, I want to fix that (thats what jailbreakign did me for the iphone)
I guess the main problem with windows 7 phones for me right now are:
No LTE? why not. If I'm going to Verizon shouldn't I get a LTE phone?
Pros:
I feel that it will give me "my life back". I'm not addicted to flashing phones, but it definately sucks that I probably send 30 mintes - hour a day scanning these forums about stuff and specs baout the "newest" phone. I see that wp7 phones aren't realized every 3 months, causing you not to regret your purchase.
Another question I have for the people who follow WP7 phones is, when are they going to release a new one for Verizon? Or ATT. But I think we are going to switch to Verizon.

mdcykkk9 said:
Windows phone 7.5 is great phone os. Is a nice looking os with few great built in features but is not a smartphone. I am using lg otimus 7 and i haven't any problems. Very solid and stable... And i love it... But i find my self using my 7inch Android tablet instead of my phone all the time. If someone wants a phone that can check emails and listen music wp7 is great. But if you want a mobile Internet device that can make phone calls wp7 is not an option.
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What do you mean by making phone calls and browse the internet? Are you saying the browse cause it doesn't have 4g?
And phone calls: why is that?

All I can say is I moved from WinMo-Android-WP7-Android.
You will read alot of bull**** here about Android by WP7 maniacs btw.
I am one of those who wanted to use MS latest platform but discovered it's really not for me. Because even if the concept is really good and different, it's very limiting.
I wait to make my final judgement once I upgrade to Mango.
I think WP7 is perfect entry level OS, for people who are not crazy about the most advanced features. For less "business" or "pro" users it's perfect. It's for youngsters and people who don't need much but like reliability and simplicity.
Otherwise stay with Android because it's ahead in every regard.
So ask yourself why do you want to switch and what you expect from your future device.

@doministry: Moved to Android, yet still in the windows phone forums? Interesting.
I love these threads, though. They all end up the same in the end.
What most of us simpletons here, who are unable to fathom the depths of the advanced, Skynet-like Android, like about Windows Phone is that it's something new, something fresh. It's not the same ol' same ol' we've been accustom to from iphone and Android. Not that either of those two are bad. Actually, the opposite.
But, there's not really anything new there per se. Microsoft decided to go against the "Tried and True" and do something different. We will see in the long run if this pays off. But, every now and again, something comes along and changes our perceptions on what should be, the status quo as it were.
You ask about coming here for all your info. Well, come here in addition to going elsewhere. The problem here is that most are nerds and geeks thus they dig into things that most others wouldn't. Not many people care if you can reroute power from your phone to the dilithium crystals, and bleed some of that power out through the main deflector array. See? Nerd.
But, here at xda, if your phone doesn't do that then it's a failure. Let me clarify that. It's a failure to the Android fans whose phones are the best thing since Bell called Watson from the next room. There are actually quite a few of us that appreciate what Windows Phone has to offer, how far it's come, and how far it can potentially go.
Stick around for awhile though and you will find those who are quite informative and constructive. But, you'll also find those who come into every thread like this to tell you how much they dislike/hate/loathe/want to vomit on windows phone. Strangely, like moths to a flame, however, they continue to be drawn here. Which leaves me confused and makes me cry inside.

I am getting sick of that android fanboyism. I just want that forum section android free but no, in nearly every thread there are some people who have an android device and start to post negative things about WP7.
To the android using guys: In this section there are people who DON'T like android or other OS's for a reason!! So why the hell do you have the need to post your biased crap in here? I really don't understand this. Why don't you accept that some people like me like WP7? WHY???
You will read alot of bull**** here about Android by WP7 maniacs btw.
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The other way round is even worse, you may notice....

morpheuszg said:
I am getting sick of that android fanboyism. I just want that forum section android free but no, in nearly every thread there are some people who have an android device and start to post negative things about WP7.
To the android using guys: In this section there are people who DON'T like android or other OS's for a reason!! So why the hell do you have the need to post your biased crap in here? I really don't understand this. Why don't you accept that some people like me like WP7? WHY???
The other way round is even worse, you may notice....
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In Android thread I am visiting there are tons of people who don't like it and it's not a problem for anyone really.
The other way round is not worse.
The scheme is like this:
WP7 lovers: "if you want to endlessly hack your phone and accept these lags, use Android"
WP7 critics: "we still miss this and that...."
What is really hard to understand for some is that some people use both platforms on regular basis and can really COMPARE them head to head. And this is the question here, COMPARISON. Times has changed, users are not devoted to one thing in their life anymore and are not treating their choices like a new religion. WP7 is still starting and appeared in a world of huge COMPETITION. If you don't know, the competition and comparisons makes things better, not the closed circle of believers. And that's why MS opened these polls where you vote for the feature you'd love to see.
Some people here are more MS than the company itself.

Hi GManLynx,
In my opinion Wyn6 and Dom both have valid points to make, Dom has voiced the fact that although WP7 is very capable as a daily driver (and it is my preferred O/S) it does seem to be limited for those of us that need specialised apps/functionality to be satisfied with our chosen platform. In the same light Wyn6 has it spot on that these forums do tend to be very geek based and arguments about granular functionality do get out of hand and turn the thread away from its original point, this thread will go that way in the end i promise...............keep an eye on it, its really quite amusing.
Anyway here is my penneth worth:
I have originally come from 6.5 where the flashing was both a delight and at the same time a chore, i then found myself being drawn to Android for the exact same reasoning and that was that i liked to play with and customise my phone to my liking. The hardware however at the time did not do it for me though and i found (as most people now realise) that with Android the hardware is the key for a great phone experience. This is now possible with all of the great droid handsets and the the apps available make the customisation side an absolute pleasure, although decent application coding is still an issue from time to time along with the possibility that the performance of any custom ROM you choose is entirely dependant on the trial and error application addition basis that 6.5 required. In my opinion this will always be the case with an open source platform.
Now with WP7 you get less chance to customise (although it is entirely possible) but the O/S is rather solid due to the fact that it is closed and that the apps that are released have been vetted so as not to afftect the functionality of the phone too much. This is also a plus point when it comes to the hardware that is required as you dont need the leading edge of available hardware to run the buttery smooth O/S. Improvements from Mango have made this even better in my opinion and have opened the door to better development opportunities and eventually better apps than are available at the moment, however i do stress the word eventually. WP7 is still very young and MS have some great things in the pipe that should make the O/S differ greatly from others......but again this will take time.
I could easily recommend droid or WP7 for you and i think you would be pleased, at the end of the day you will as Dom said have to decide what level of functionality vs customisation that you would prefer and go with that one. (this is easily done as all phone carriers now offer the 30 day cool down period, so you can evaluate both properly)
Try everything you can think of to aide your decision but most importantly have fun deciding, i know i did
Kind regards,
Creamy

what is the point of smoothness when you don't have function?

Defenders of WP7 always emphasis on smoothness without fail, it's like the only point WP7 fan boys can come up with.
But what is the point of smoothness when your phone don't have some of the basic and necessary functions Android have.

well if you dont want smoothness and fast responses..
Just customization and hoards of functionalities you are welcome to use the Windows 6.5

Indeed WP7 doesn't have some basic functionalities, but is easy to use with fast response as you mentioned. Every fanboy of any brand tries to overdraw. Don't start a flame war

shamreez said:
Just customization and hoards of functionalities you are welcome to use the Windows 6.5
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Fail, why would I want to use Windows Mobile 6.5 when I have Android 4.0?

Mark_QS said:
Indeed WP7 doesn't have some basic functionalities, but is easy to use with fast response as you mentioned. Every fanboy of any brand tries to overdraw. Don't start a flame war
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Not trying to start a war, I am trying to understand why all the emphasis of smoothness at the expense of functionality in WP7?

FinancialWar said:
Fail, why would I want to use Windows Mobile 6.5 when I have Android 4.0?
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Double fail why do you want to go to a new OS called Android when there is already windows 6.5 which can do everything an android can

FinancialWar said:
Defenders of WP7 always emphasis on smoothness without fail, it's like the only point WP7 fan boys can come up with.
But what is the point of smoothness when your phone don't have some of the basic and necessary functions Android have.
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The big question is, does one really "need" those functions and is willing to compensate for it by using a less coherent system, apps that can crash your phone, random reboots, can leak your personal belongings, and all other things.
The answer for some people is yes --> android. For some people its no --> windows phone. I for example care about design and thats the no.1 reason why I dont like android, because it does not have a design and looks too childish/nerdo for my taste. I trade less but usefull features for some eye candy any day, because I use my phone everyday so I stare at the menu's a whole lot in the years I use my phone. And what am I truely missing? Just Skype... And this will be even integrated into the OS. And a notification system, I bet this will come in Apollo. Like last year we will probably get a beta in a few months, so I am very satisfied, because the beta's were actually perfectly suitable for daily use.
At least I dont have to worry about random reboots and dont have to witness the laggy scrolling trough the marketplace like my friends with the GS2... The whole response/bounce and kinetic scrolling of WP7 is far more natural than android. Sure they have more useless apps and they have skype and some games, but I never play games. And for customizations, its android it remains unpleasant to look at.
Other than that it is a matter of personal preferences, a friend told me android has "no bugs". Its like yeah whatever, people are entitled to their opinions and thats why we all have something to chose from which suits our needs.
You android, we WP, is android perfect? No, far from it. Is WP perfect? No far from it. However what is the most perfect choice for you is what matters and you made yours. I made mine, and Im happy and dont have to post in an android forum why their phones all have cheap looking menu's. Every time I touch my phone its a joy to use, no frustrations, now annoyances.

I'm not one to shy away from a good debate, but please keep it respectful here. Threads comparing Android and WP7 usually degenerate fairly quickly, so I just wanted to remind everyone not to turn this discussion against someone personally.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the way you present it can make a huge difference in how others perceive it.
edit: As for the question though, aesthetics are very important to a lot of people. The occasional stuttering of Android can almost be painful to someone if they're not accustomed to it, yet others may be able to get used to it quickly and are able to over look it for everything else the OS provides. IMHO Android still has a ways to go before it's intuitive and user friendly enough to be adopted by a lot of people in the market for smartphones, plus a lot of people don't have the time that's needed to learn how to use it efficiently. It seems like Microsoft is trying to find the middle ground between the aesthetics of iOS and the versatility of Android & Win mobile.

FinancialWar said:
Defenders of WP7 always emphasis on smoothness without fail, it's like the only point WP7 fan boys can come up with.
But what is the point of smoothness when your phone don't have some of the basic and necessary functions Android have.
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It depends on how basic and necessary those functions are to you.
For example:
1) bluetooth file sharing isn't a necessary function to me, i might have used it twice in a year when i was on Android;
2) being able to play every kind of unconverted video format isn't important to me because i hardly ever watch movies on the go, i've had the GS2 for 5 months and i might have done that once, just to give it a try;
3) being able to play FLAC music files on my phone is something i don't care about because a real audiophile would never use the phone as a main music player because of the cheap DACs used by OEMs; even lossy mp3 files are a waste on some of those if you have good ears.
4) i don't give a damn about flash, it's mostly used for ads and other gimmicks rather for anything useful over the net; i know some may care (not that i do) about streaming sites/services but most of those generally have their app.
5) i don't really need usb mass storage support because i don't even use my phone for music right now, i only use it for browsing, running apps and viewing/editing documents.
6) i don't really need a file browser because i find more convenient to look for specific kinds of files in their specific hub: it's just tidier and faster to me.
Anyway these are just few examples, would you point me to some things that you find basic and necessary and WP7 doesn't do? Maybe you should talk in a more specific way, because like i said, the concept of "basic and necessary" is too subjective and generic imho.
The only things i don't really like about WP7 is the lack of a decent built in navigation app and real multitasking, because some apps don't really support dehydratation that well and don't take you exactly where you were at.
Also, it's not all about smoothness, but also efficient integration of the few apps i really use daily and deem consider important, overall consistency in the look and feel of the OS, reliability and last but not least uniformity of the software throughout the platform, regardless the price of the device you choose to buy. Most people think that WP7 is form over function, i used to think the same way, but after you get into it imho you realize that it's pretty functional in its own way.
Tell me what does bother you the most about the OS, i'm open to discussion, i've owned Android devices for a great while so i understand how it baffles you to see people being happy about a mobile OS which apparently is too limited compared to Android. Hopefully nobody will get in here and turn this thing into the usual war...

vnvman:
you see how all of your arguments are "I don't need it, therefore it justifies why WP7 don't have it". No, you're not the only mobile user in the world.
That's like me saying my Toyota is just as good as the Ferrari because I don't need to drive above 110km/h.

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vnvman:
you see how all of your arguments are "I don't need it, therefore it justifies why WP7 don't have it". No, you're not the only mobile user in the world.
That's like me saying my Toyota is just as good as the Ferrari because I don't need to drive above 110km/h.
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And neither are you. You're coming into this section posting with a superior, higher than thou attitude and implying that just because YOU need these features, Windows Phone lacks "function." You aren't the only user in the world, and the fact is, that most people who purchase an Android device, never even change their launcher, let alone use most of the "functionality" you're claiming is so important. If it doesn't work for you, then stay in the Android section, and post wonderful topics over there. I don't get why some of you get your daily satisfaction by coming in here in posting nonsense like this. As vnvman said, we don't need it, so the phone is perfect for us. If you need it, then don't purchase the device. I prefer being able to effortlessly use the "functionality" I do have, than to have to modify my phone to have a chance of using "new" features. A lot of Android devices aren't even on Gingerbread yet, and will probably never get ICS, so this functionality argument stops there for them.

Financial,
I find the thing we lack the most is empathy. Many responses you already receive sum it up. But let me ask you the reverse question:
What is the point of functionality without stability?
Let us take a step back from this smoothness argument and go back to another thing that has plagued Android - Battery life. What is the point of using multicore, highspeed CPUs in order to achieve something that less horsepowered phones easily achieve at the expense of price and battery life?
Also your idea of necessary functions and my I idea may be very different. What is Windows Phone missing that you deem basic?

Once upon a time, XDA was a place to come to and learn and teach, now, it's a place where people preach their phone religion...even if it's just to start a bunch of nonsense... I have Android and WP, is it really that boring in the Android forums that a person would start THIS thread in THIS section....? I'm going to sit back and watch the same ol' from the same ol'....
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Dr.8820 said:
Once upon a time, XDA was a place to come to and learn and teach, now, it's a place where people preach their phone religion...even if it's just to start a bunch of nonsense... I have Android and WP, is it really that boring in the Android forums that a person would start THIS thread in THIS section....? I'm going to sit back and watch the same ol' from the same ol'....
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IDK, it seems like many Android users have some serious e-penis issue. Honestly I can't cope with that: when I was on Android I was never tired to express my criticism towards the platform, as I now do with WP7. Criticisms is very important: if the end user is always satisfied with what it has he will never get a better product.
This is what I do:
1)I choose a platform, see what I like and what I don't.
2)If something I don't like stays there for a too long time I jump ship.
3)Repeat.
IDK, maybe I'm weird.

What I don't understand about all these Android users posting about WP7 being 'useless' is that they seem to have forgotten one MAJOR point:
The vast majority of people buying smartphones don't have a blind clue about what Android can really do if they push it. They get the phone, set up facebook, download a few useless apps and never do anything more.
The problem is that Windows Phone just isn't designed for the sort of people who frequent XDA Devs.
Windows Phone is designed for the average user - someone who doesn't have a clue what phone they want, and who'll buy whatever the salesman tells them to. That is currently the iPhone and Android, and people are fast realising that those 2 platforms aren't all that brilliant for people who don't know what to do with them.
Windows Phone is there to take care of those customers - it offers the simplest, fastest interface, with the majority of features most people use and no unnecessary frills. That is exactly the point of Metro, and something that people in this community seem to forget.
Fair enough if you want something that can do more than my laptop and don't care that the battery only lasts 6 hours as a result. You can have that - go an buy an Android.
I want a phone that works first time, every time I pick it up. That means I can pick it up, do or get what I want or need, put it down, and get on with my life. And that's what most people want, too, and that's what Windows Phone offers.
Cue a bunch of Android developers who still don't have a clue what the target market for Windows Phone is flaming the hell out of me.

There's a nice video about the different mobile strategies of Google vs Apple / Microsoft here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Nfgs4EUeTlk#t=129s
In summary:
Apple / Microsoft already have a desktop OS, so can offer mobile devices that are purpose-built appliances.
Google does not have a separate desktop OS. Therefore, Android is designed to be a more general computing platform.
These are different approaches as many of the people above have explained

That's like me saying my Toyota is just as good as the Ferrari because I don't need to drive above 110km/h.
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Your Toyota is better. It will get you to work everyday for a low cost and won't get stopped along the way because it ran out of gas (aka battery) when your trying to get to your work. It also won't scrape over pot holes and speedbumps. Sure the Ferrari seems flashy and will pick up all the chicks, but in the end you will end up with a broken, dead car that you constantly have to fill up and fix. Meanwhile your toyota with it's single cam will keep on plugging at a decent speed and be reliable every time you start it up till you bring it home.

I like stability, ease of use, aesthetics, an ecosystem, and speed.
You want to hack your phone endlessly to make it almost as smooth, almost as user friendly, slap on a mediocre launcher to make it not an aesthetic nightmare, download apps to emulate some type of ecosystem, and never gain the stability.
That's how I see it broken down. Android gets modified relentlessly to attain what we already have. All we really lack is the games.
E; and how about those updates?

I can see and understand both sides, to me personally WM kicks WP as far as being able to to simple, logical and common stuff vs WP but WP doesn't lock up on you and the battery life seems to be better. But if Windows Phone wants to compete and reallistically wants to be number 3 by 2014 or whatever they are perdicting, they need to wise up and give us back some kind of functionallty; for instance why is it so freaking hard to be able to Bluetooth some one a freaking file when that technology has been around for ages? A cricket phone can do that, why no WP? Microsoft up when they took WM away from us loyal users and basically gave us something that seems rushed and incomplete.

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I can see and understand both sides, to me personally WM kicks WP as far as being able to to simple, logical and common stuff vs WP but WP doesn't lock up on you and the battery life seems to be better. But if Windows Phone wants to compete and reallistically wants to be number 3 by 2014 or whatever they are perdicting, they need to wise up and give us back some kind of functionallty; for instance why is it so freaking hard to be able to Bluetooth some one a freaking file when that technology has been around for ages? A cricket phone can do that, why no WP? Microsoft up when they took WM away from us loyal users and basically gave us something that seems rushed and incomplete.
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I love when those who flame WP7 mention Bluetooth transfer as a key feature. I haven't been to 2005 recently.