If you tried to add a new contact number from the call history, then you would know the simple task of saving a contact number is very frustrating. Maybe the windows phone team was busy making an entertainment device and forgot that people actually use their smart-phone to do phone thing. To demonstrate, let go through the step of adding a contact and find out if your hair will turn gray during the process. Here we go.
On the call history, users can touch the unsaved contact number (I use a fake btw) and they’ll be presented with its profile and history. To save the number to a new contact, just touch that floppy disk button to save. No sweat, lets move on to screen 3.
“Uhhh, wait what’s going on here? I just need to save the number for cutie Jane. What’s all this crazy choose a contact stuff?”
That was the though when I first encountered this “choose a contact” screen. The confusion was that I just want to add a new contact, not “choosing” some contact. The cryptic “+” button eventually gave way, but I was on that screen longer than I should. New users will be confused and that’s the first usability issue that doesn’t need to be there. Lets go on to screen 4.
“Huh!? why do I need to edit phone number? Where can I enter the first and last name for Jane? WTFWP7!”
By this step the users just want to enter the name of their contact and be done with. This screen by all means is unnecessary. The contact number just came straight from call history, there is no need to edit unless you manually add a new contact from the people hub. Let move on to screen 5 and see if we can enter the name for Jane yet.
“I still can’t enter the name for Jane yet!!???? FFFFFFUUUUUUUUU ”
Inputting the name, if not earlier, should be shown at this step. But instead the users are presented with this summary information. Screen 5 shows the summary of all the information of the contact and the users can edit or additional information. This screen should be logically shown last. Raged level 100%.
Finally after 7 screens, the users can enter the contact and be done. It’s unfortunately 7 screens too many, the users are left provoked. There has got to be a better way to do this.
I propose steps reduction
On screen 3, the new contact option stands out at the top making it easier for people to figure out what to do as far as saving a new contact or merging it to existing contact are concerned. On screen 4, basic information like name, phone, and email are available for users to easily edit. The phone text box are pre-filled. This concept reduced two screen steps and it’s much more user friendly I think.
Further steps reduction will eliminate the screen 3 altogether. Follow below.
When the users decide to save the phone number from screen 2, they will immediately be shown the edit information screen where they can edit and save a new contact profile. If the users want to merge the phone number to an existing contact, the link button on the appbar is available. The link button will open up the contact list and allow the users to select the correct contact they want to link the new number to.
I think concept 2 significantly speed up the simple task of saving a contact and therefore also decrease frustration. Belfiore, please do this.
For now, people will still have to keep on wrestling with the ridiculously strenuous task of saving new phone numbers.
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New year so I decided to start blogging about windows phone. Going to write about rethinking ads display for windows phone and tiles soon.
Actually I didn't understand why it's more ridiculas process as per you.
Instead of clicking on "New Contact" in your screen, I click "+" on existing design.
You don't have to edit the number in the next screen, but you might need to edit what sort of phone number it's (home/mobile/etc..) and the next screen will give options (which can be made more user friendly, here i accept), but this screen should be there. I don't find myself adding 100 contact everyday. I add new contacts (may be 10) in a week and when I create them, I will be happy to enter complete details or ignore unwanted things.
If you didn't know what the + meant, you could have tapped the ... which would reveal what the icon is for.
That is common behavior in the OS. No less intutive as double tapping the button in the iPhone.
As far as editting. Sometimes you do need to edit. If someone calls from work, it may be one outgoing number but everyone has a direct dial.
(123)555-5500 is what is in call history, but to direct dial you may need (123)555-5518
How do you propose adding several numbers at once?
You get the mobile from caller id, but you also want to add home, work, and home and work email to it
Plus means add. Menus are at the bottom of screens. It doesn't get too much clearer.
I feel the exact same way as the OP. Way too many many steps for such a simple task. Another thing that absolutely bugs the hell outta me is no quick access to the dial pad. I hate having to click that tiny dialer icon on the call history page. I would like a pin to tile feature for the dialer or start on the dialer when clicking the phone tile.
Very humorous post, I feel your pain. Loved your mock ups, wish MS would take note.
vdubskey said:
I feel the exact same way as the OP. Way too many many steps for such a simple task. Another thing that absolutely bugs the hell outta me is no quick access to the dial pad. I hate having to click that tiny dialer icon on the call history page. I would like a pin to tile feature for the dialer or start on the dialer when clicking the phone tile.
Very humorous post, I feel your pain. Loved your mock ups, wish MS would take note.
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Download SmartDialer. There's an app for that.
I feel the same.
Furthermore I really feel bothered by not being able to directly make a new contact out of - by text message - received phone number
As I have to contact and get contacted by quite some new and unknown people every day, it would highly increase the efficiency of my work.
Hope there will be a way to do so, soon.
I like to add the country code properly and the formatting, remove all the (,) and - and replace + with 00. Because the first build of windows phone gave problems with calling otherwise (it would call a wrong number). My settings are on EnUS bc of more features on the phone, but I want my numbers in my local formatting not in EnUS. Hence for me the edit screen works well. Of course you can argue all countries should have all features thus no need for reformatting the number manually.
I like having the edit number screen pop up, because I like to get rid of the "1" that gets placed at the beginning.
I don't see the big deal. The very first time I entered a contact, it was a bit of "oh I see, I push this here", after that, since I'm older than 4 years old, I've remembered how and haven't given it a second thought.
I agree with the OP on this one. In my case, there is also an additional screen asking what service to create the contact on (Windows Live or Google). Necessary, but complicated.
It didn't really dawn on me until I was giving someone who recently got the phone my number and watched them stumble through the process.
stan2 said:
“Uhhh, wait what’s going on here? I just need to save the number for cutie Jane. What’s all this crazy choose a contact stuff?”
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Your proposal for "New contact" pseudo-contact on top of the list is non-sense, it breaks design guidelines, and is counter-intuitive. (+) bottom menu icon is there already...
?? Hum ?? It's pretty simple for me.
It seems to me a lot of people are concerning the first three screens, what do you guys think of the rest of the process? That's where all the frustration come for me personally. And my proposals deal mainly with reducing the steps.
Maybe it is just you... Those step are just necessary. I don't mind at all.
???
This is very simple.
Wich steps would u remove ?
1 step gives u the option to add the phone number to an existing one or to create a new one.
The next step lets u choose if its a mobile number or maybe a work number or maybe...
Then u get the option to edit all contact details. Maybe u want to add an email or more.
These steps are totally necessary and they should stay the way they are. The Dialpad klicking should be reduced though.
JVH3 said:
Download SmartDialer. There's an app for that.
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Should not need an app for that. A phone should go to the dialer when you lick "Phone" not call history. Apps are good, but they should not be a fix for bad design. Simply give the user an option. What pane do you want the phone to go to when you open up the Hub. I'm sure a majority of people would instantly switch that to dialer, too...
N8ter said:
Should not need an app for that. A phone should go to the dialer when you lick "Phone" not call history. Apps are good, but they should not be a fix for bad design. Simply give the user an option. What pane do you want the phone to go to when you open up the Hub. I'm sure a majority of people would instantly switch that to dialer, too...
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You lick your phone? Disgusting. But yeah, Microsoft should redesign that part. I for one would prefer the dialer opening up on tappig "Phone" with call history as an additional button (could replace the current dialer button then).
This is offtopic anyway.
Topic: I see no issues with adding contacts, to be honest. It's simple and works just fine. All I wish was that one was able to add contact information from within an email (from the footer for example).
I completely dissagree with the OP. The plus icon is very apparent to me. All buttons that add/remove/etc are always in the appbar. Then yes you get the option to add their name, email, set a ringtone, etc. I usually add all of that at the same time. Microsoft actually did research as to what most people what to do.
Tap # -> Save -> Plus -> Windows Live (I have a boat load of emails so lets just say I only live Windows Live) -> Save the actual number (great because we get the option to save it as a mobile, home, home 2, work, company, pager, fax and stuff which is great when you use the tell me service) -> And OMG OH NOES I can add their email and name and address while I'm at it (the world is going to end. what a world. I'm melting.) - > and then Save.
Yes it seems like a lot but who care. Most people only go into the contacts once and maybe twice. It really isnt that hard.
It took me a whole 20 seconds to do what I said above. Added a new number, set it as a work #, added first and last name, saved.
sure haven't said:
I like having the edit number screen pop up, because I like to get rid of the "1" that gets placed at the beginning.
I don't see the big deal. The very first time I entered a contact, it was a bit of "oh I see, I push this here", after that, since I'm older than 4 years old, I've remembered how and haven't given it a second thought.
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Absolutely agree with this. I actually don't mind the way Microsoft implemented saving a new contact in the OS... it takes me seconds to add a contact. Hit save > hit + > edit the number if you need to (I don't call international directly so I like to take out the +1) > change number type (mobile or home) > save > add name and/or other info > save and done!
Although, I could see the ease of the "Screen 4" concept. Those are the most edited contact details and to have them on one screen would make it easier. You could email the Windows Phone Team your mock-up and explain your reasoning. Maybe they'll like it too and then you could tell the whole world how it was YOUR idea!
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i am fine with the way the add contact in the wp7... most likely MS want to make sure right info is keyed in to the right place... and one thing at a time the os do not have to check for 10 veriable in the saved info (alpha, numaric, free info boxetc...)
as i am using my out look to add my contact and update them to my windows live account so no issues..
Thanks OP. Im glad I'm not the only one that always get frustrated with adding a new contact everytime.
Only when adding a number to an existing FB contact then its much easier.
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I just updated my "flagship software" for Phone Edition.
(sorry for the one month of delay time)
Many many improvements, new features and fixes.
Now you can replace the default balloon message of the upcoming phone, use the fullscreen message, see the caller's photos in any size... or turn the Pocket PC completely off into the Silent Profile.
More fixes for the standard PPC2002 and WM2003 Phone Edition versions.
You can customize the view of taskbar with all default icons are still visible correctly. The only solution for Phone Edition.
Plus: skinable interface, icons, images, messages in the full version, just it going to change the name to the Phone Profiles Seriously.
The Lite Version is free update for current users.
Test it. There is a few different O/S now. Be sure it works with your device correctly.
The Trial Version works 7 days without limits.
More screenshots, descriptions on the new Home Page:
http://www.jgui.net/phoneprofiles/index.html
Read there how to customize your images, icons, message.
I open the contest for the best and fun icons for Phone Profiles.
The winners (3) will get the full version. Until the end of February.
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hello,
do you consider making Polish language version of your software ?? question not only out of curiosity ..
regards, monika
My trial of version 3.1 has just finished, so I downloaded version 5 to see what has changed.
The settings interface is a big improvement, but there are two bugs that I've found which have annoyed me. Also, in version 3.1 I had nice small icons on the Today screen. In version 5 the icons are huge! Too big!
Bugs:
- When I click a profile icon, then choose a time, the click goes through the time button to the today item behind it. The profile is chosen OK, but I then have to close (for example) the Bluetooth setting dialog. Grrr!
- Last night I was browsing my offline IE favourites. As normal, every time I opened a stored page, the XDA2 tried to connect GPRS to check the page version. As normal I clicked the 'cancel' button to stop the GPRS connecting, but every time I did this, the machine turned itself off. I discovered this is because I had chosen a Phone Profile (default Silent) with the setting to turn the machine off after every call. This was a major pain in the ass. If this setting is going to cause the machine to switch off like this then I'm never going to use it - it's a wasted setting.
At the moment, Version 5 has disadvantages for me. It's not a step backwards, because the settings interface is improved a lot, but I'm not going to use the program any more. This is a pity - Version 3.1 was excellent!
Hope this helps.
Edit: More bugs? I just set the 'Loudest' profile to 'Vibrate: longer' on incoming calls. Wow. It was definitely longer. It wouldn't stop, even 30 seconds after the phone had passed the call to answerphone. I had to switch it off and back on to stop the vibration. Great.
Also on loudest profile, with SMS set to 'Sound: normal' and 'Vibrate: normal', I get no vibration or sound at all when an SMS comes in.
Also also , I can't configure MSN Messenger alerts independently, which I could in V 3.1.
Damn, my disappointment level is rising!
1. I think it is safe to see the today screen and changes of phone profiles whe it happen - just to be sure "where you are". why do you want to change the phone profle when you are with another settings dialog? if I undestood you correctly
2. you have right, I did not think in this way. I will fix it. In the meantime: just do not use "turn the power off after the call" option, easy?
thanks for you comments
Thanks for responding quickly.
More explanation:
1.
On the Today screen I have PhoneProfiles with the (large) icons visible. When I tap an icon to change profile I get the timeset buttons (15, 30, 60, 90 etc.). The timeset buttons are bigger than the area that PhoneProfiles needs, so on my screen the timeset buttons overlap the item below, which is my Bluetooth headset profile item. When I click the '---' button to select the PhoneProfile, the click activates the chosen PhoneProfile, but also hits the Bluetooth headset item.
2.
I have disabled the 'Turn power off after the call' option.
I uploaded the setup file,
problems with vibrate and fullscreen skinning fixed
btw: when you use "longer vibrate" or "pulse"
and you will not answer the call and the caller cancel the ringing
and now you want to break the vibrations
PRESS the red phone hardware buttons on tap the balloon or fullscreen message
Hi JGUI,
Nice work.
I miss one thing. Is possibel to give diferent ring tones to callers? as you can do with the pictures?
Regards
JoseF
Hi JGUI,
Nice work.
I miss one thing. Is possibel to give diferent ring tones to callers? as you can do with the pictures?
Regards
JoseF
different sounds
are you sure you want it?
I noticed that when I set different sounds sometimes when I hear my phone ring I do not focus and undestand that it is ringing because my mind expects default ring I use.
in the previous version there was an options to random select sounds from one folder and this given me the same confusion as the one above, sounds changes and I do not recognize that my phone ring when I listen music or tv....
any way, of course I thought so and I can add this feature
you can keep photos and sound in one folder with names as your caller phone numbers and the program will use if found photo or sound with appreciated name to number
thanks
caller photo trial?
Hi!
@JGUI: the description and screenshots look very promising. I would like to use this program to replace the CallerId program that comes with the MDA/XDA II. CallerId is somewhat notorious, and seems to cause many problems.
However, I would like to test this feature before I shell out $39... would you consider making a trial version of the Seriously version? You could limit the caller photos to, let's say, three entries. That would be enough to test the feature, and still give enough incentive to actually buy the program!
Also, do you consider foreign language versions? I'd be happy to help you making a German version, if you want!
Best Regards
Daniel
I made
I made the trial,
of course as I made it always for all my software.
this is one setup file for all versions of Phone Profiles currently,
you install and you start to use the trial,
then you can write in settings dialog the password
to unlock to the lite version or to the full "seriously" version
depend what passwword you got.
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JGUI said:
I made the trial,
of course as I made it always for all my software.
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Oh, I see. I misunderstood you - I thought the trial has only the features of the "lite" version.
Will download the trial now and see how it goes!
Cheers
Daniel
Hi JGUI, I downloaded the trail and it look good.
One thing i miss is that whem receiving a sms I can let the red light only flash for 5 minutes up to one hour. I would like to see it flash without limit. So only when I read the sms the red light can go off.
Got it...excellent
But do I need to delete caller id monitor from start ???? I think it s not usefull now right ? with JG prog, functions are the same and I am not sure to use the two at the same time wont make some bugs Your opinion ?
Oh, and we all want configurable MSN Messenger alerts, right? :wink:
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I tried the 3.xx versions but I had some bugs ...
The version 5 looks good but it is not possible to have different ring tones for contact
And 39$ it is a little bit more expansive when you see that Crazy kart only cost 15$
For that price do we have unlimited upgrade free ?
Could some users post their feedback about this version ....
Fix web site... www.jgui.com ?
JGUI:
I downloaded the Seriously version and like many of the features. However, I am trying to figure out how to set all of the features you describe. Your web site has broken links all over the place... and, moreover, it's difficult to find this software without knowing the exact link.
REQUESTED FEATURE:
It would be VERY nice to be able to "schedule" profiles to turn on and off. For example, I'd like to have silent scheduled from 10PM-6AM, then have the default turn on from there...
Thx, JS
link?
broken link?
I think it works fine:
www.jgui.net/phoneprofiles/
scheduling profiles? hmmm? I think it would be "too much".
you will forget your settings between just 4 profiles, scheduled and normal changed, very soon! and you will be wonder that your phone works in unexpected way...
I tested scheduling, my friends too....
We think that the simple tap the icon and change the profile temporary or continuously, it is the better solution...
But I'm still listening comments, awaiting... let's see what others will say...
thank you for your comments[/url]
Re: link?
JGUI said:
broken link?
I think it works fine:
www.jgui.net/phoneprofiles/
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What he meant are the links "patents", "dhtml", "pocketpc" and "contacts" in the top blue bar on your site, which point to non-existing pages.
JGUI said:
scheduling profiles? hmmm? I think it would be "too much".
you will forget your settings between just 4 profiles, scheduled and normal changed, very soon! and you will be wonder that your phone works in unexpected way...
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Well, I would find that a useful feature. You could, for example, program it to go to the "quietest" profile each day from 10pm to 7am, when you're asleep.
Cheers
Daniel
but...
I have a problem with IA (included in Qtek)...it run at the same time and I have two scrren (one over the other one) when somebody call... how to stop Id caller ? I tried to put out from start folder but it still start after a soft reset....
Any idea ?????
Hi,,
a few weeks ago, I made and give away the program MY PHONE which allows you to preview your last phone and SMS on Today Screen.
I updated this program finally, today. Stay a freeware. But I stopped to write it more. It's still here myphone.
Just because I made a new program MY|MESSAGES with much more improvemented features and stability. And with SMS auto-reply with pre-defined text.
It's here mymessages, and this program is a shareware with 7 days trial.
Here's brief descriptions:
This program displays on Today Screen, your last phone calls, SMS and email messages.
Additionally, it allows you to reply to SMS sender, without the needs to open the Inbox dialog.
Program features:
- preview phone calls log
- preview up to 5 your email accounts
- preview SMS account
- preview ActiveSync account
- show/hide any account independently
- show/hide list of message by tapping the title line
- show/hide details of every mesage independently or together
- show/hide battery, memory and external card status
- quick reply to SMS sender with one of pre-defined text
Program settings:
- select the number of messages to display from 1, 3, 5 or 10
- select only the today's messages to display
- select the name or number/email to display
- show/hide fonts shadows
- show/hide the standard icons
- display the red title line if the last phone call is missed
- display the red title line if the last message is unread
- blink the title line (and icon) if the status changed
- define up to 4 auto-reply text with up to 100 characters
- select the SMS number format - change this setting if you get message: "cannot send SMS", because it depends from your cellular network preferences
Program specials:
- if the last phone call is missed, the preview of number is displayed automatically
- if the last message is changed or unread, the preview of sender name and subject is displayed automatically
- if the one of above happen, the icon beside the line changes to the red picture
- tap any message's sender name will display subject text
- tap any account title line will hide the list and all details at once
- the menu displays preview of your own pre-defined SMS reply text, only if you tap on SMS message
- tap the resources line changes between MB and percentage values
Program requirements:
- PPC2002 or Windows Mobile Phone Edition (Second Edition too)
- 60kB of free memory
The Trial Version works 7 days without limits. Red message "shareware" will display every 5 minutes. Then auto-reply and preview of details will not run.
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STAY AWAY!!!!
STAY AWAY!!!!
I highly suggest not to touch any piece of software this guy publishes!!! he's extremely unreliable, doesn't support his users, abandons projects days or weeks after he publishes them, has tons of bugs which he doesn't fix, he rather play with his features than fix bugs. I was one of many who paid about $30 for his "Profiles Seriously" or whatever it was called, it was packed with bugs which were never fixed.
This guy is a joke as a software developer!!!
STAY AWAY!!!!
please
mr. new-to-image
I'm Janusz Gerszberg,
just check the newest PHONE PROFILES SE version 7.0.
and firstly test this MY|MESSAGE software before you say anything.
I dont see any bugs. as many my customers.
and please do not stay anonymously.
if you have opinion.
:x
For a reference of this guy's previous "success" in the software industry, check this thread and see how many complaints are posted from users, many of which also paid $30:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=5169
Who's to say this new software won't display similar "syndromes". The fact if Mr. JGUI, you've more than proved yourself to be unreliable and an amateur, so you pretty much deserve any criticism, and as for my anonymity, it's my god given right on the Internet, and is entirely irrelevant to the objective criticism I post here.
Pissed off about my post?? Damn good, so am I regarding the $30 I paid for your piece of crappy software and the endless time I've spent on the forum with other members complaining and asking again and again for you to fix all the bugs, while you were showing off your latest "features", playing with them like an infantile instead of fixing the bugs we had, like a serious developer should have done. :evil:
You've got no-one to blame but yourself, you created your own reputation, now live with it!
Therefor I stay by my previous warning: STAY AWAY!!!! Don't give this guy any money for his so called "software", if he wants to give it out for free like Zendrui's marvelous PocketZenPhone (a fine example of how software SHOULD be written) then fine, but don't pay for it!!!
very good
Qtek2020 said:
very good Software
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After reading the tread new_to_imate mentioned, I can imagine he's utterly reluctant to any new software written by JGUI.
I for one cannot imagine why a developer who asks money for software he wrote does not fix bugs faced by a number of his customers. Just the fact JGUI cannot reproduce the bugs these customers face does not imply he shouldn't care about it at all. Instead, he should find a way to reproduce these bugs, on way or another, or otherwise simply return money back!
Having said that, on the other hand I do not understand why people hand over their hard-earned money when they are able to try it out for a certain period before paying for the full version. However, if the shareware version works flawlessy and the full version contains bugs, then JGUI should fix them a.s.a.p.
I tried both Phones Seriously and Zendrui's PocketZenPhone and this new MY|MESSAGES, and I must admit I couldn't get Phones Seriously get to work properly. PocketZenPhone works like a charm, and it is free too!
MY|MESSAGES worked perfectly too, but a pricetag of $12,85 is WAY to high for the given functionality...
AAARRGGHHH !!!
How do I uninstall "Myphone" ?? It is not what I want or thought it would be but do you think i can kill it and remove it ?
The file myphone.dll will not die !!
What a POS !!
marcuskeeler said:
AAARRGGHHH !!!
How do I uninstall "Myphone" ?? It is not what I want or thought it would be but do you think i can kill it and remove it ?
The file myphone.dll will not die !!
What a POS !!
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Did you try unchecking the MyPhone plug-in in the Today Screen settings? This should normally unload the DLL, so that it can be deleted.
Cheers
Daniel
Yup--JGUI has pissed off his customer base. Not only on this board, but others around the Internet and on Handango as well.
Give up JGUI--you should have listened to your angry customers by fixing your bugs and stop "playing" with your new features.
JS (no hiding here)
i second that one
Yea... I was just browsing posts (looking for new ways to screw up my phone) and ran into this one. I vividly remember this MORON and his "software development" skills.
This is one guy whose software I DEFINITELY won't try.
Peace.
i'm also going to stay away from jgui's software. yesterday i was unchecking the my|phone plug-in in today screen settings. right after clickinig 'ok' i got my first (and unintended) hard reset on my xda2 :-( and now i am re-installing all the fine stuff i had installed before and restoring my personal data.
i don't like having software-caused hard resets without my permission. the accidental hard reset was (in my opinion) caused by the installed my|phone 1.4 but i will surely not install the 1.5 (that was the reason for me trying to de-install 1.4) and not at all this new stuff my|message.
this experience is very annoying for me but it would be more annoying if i had payed some money for the software.
so jgui, before you try to earn some money by your software please get it stable and reliable or clearly point out that you only offer unsupported versions (where nobody would pay any cent for, i guess).
guys,
I did not implemented in my software any hard-reset feature.
And because Pocket PC has WM_HIBERNATE inside, this is not possbile
that some software make hard-reset due conflicts inside there.
So please peter, your hard-reset was not by my fail. be serious.
PEOPLE.
I give away free trial versions of all my software. So please try, you dont like - you dont have to pay. and use.
but dont say "it does not work at all" because many people use it successful with no problems.
of course I'm sorry for any problems, and still I made many fixes resolved problems which users reported to me.
this is my final word in this forum thread.
I to have got a hardreset from My|Phone.
It´s FULL of bugs, and not just a few but many!
I will never use Jgui´s software again, until he has a good rumor as a reliable
programmer, and not just a showoff as he is right now.
I looked around for an alternative to My|Phone, and found TodayPhone.
I bought the program, and it works flawlessly without any bugs!
They also released a new version of it, just a week ago and it added a
few new features and small fixes...
Jgui should learn from others! :roll:
I did not implemented in my software any hard-reset feature.
And because Pocket PC has WM_HIBERNATE inside, this is not possbile
that some software make hard-reset due conflicts inside there.
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Yea, right. I got a message, tapped on the new message to display the short preview of it. Then it frooze, stood there for a few seconds. And then hardreseted...
Im eager to hear the version of it not beeing caused by My|Phone.
I give away free trial versions of all my software. So please try, you dont like - you dont have to pay. and use.
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That's fair enough and a nice idea. However, if you can't remove it if we don't like it, or the bugs, that's just NASTY !!
this is my final word in this forum thread.
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You promise ?
Did you try unchecking the MyPhone plug-in in the Today Screen settings? This should normally unload the DLL, so that it can be deleted.
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Yea, did that with no use, still can't remove it. In the end I renamed it and removed it after a reset, but it still won't leave my "installed progs" list now. Grrrrrrr !!!!!
At least I haven't experienced the hard reset problem, yet.
I also can confirm that my XDA rebooted when I attempted to uninstall MY|PHONE.
This guy should focus on learning real development without bugs, before ever starting to customize his forms for Windows mobile 2003 SE !!!
Considering we are beta testing his so-called software, that he does not listen to people wills and that the sofwares are bug-factories, I think *he* should pay us for that bag of ****.
You want a good software try PocketZenPhone.
Works almost flawlessly and when there's a problem it is fixed before you knew what happen.
And, it's free
You want a good today plugin about your missed calls and so on, try PhoneDashboard.
http://www.pocket.at/pocketpc2/phonedashboard.htm
JGUI has stolen most of the concept behind this nice piece of code that rocks (it's 14.99$ and I believe it is worst it)
Myphone.dll
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AAARRGGHHH !!!
How do I uninstall "Myphone" ?? It is not what I want or thought it would be but do you think i can kill it and remove it ?
The file myphone.dll will not die !!
What a POS !!
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I also had this problem but also had a memeory leak that, surprise, surprise, went away once I renamed and deleted myphone.dll. Definitley will avoid softwate from this amateur in future.
this is my final word in this forum thread.
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Keep the day job!!!
Interesting reading this - i installed My|Phone on both my XDA and XDA 2 - getting rid of it on either was a complete nightmare (not to mention the problems it caused). IMHO you need to be very careful about installing software on your PPC, as one dire bit of code can kill it so darn easily.
I am a psychotherapist and would love an app to do this:
At 15 minutes from the end of an appointment a gentle sound would play to remind me that I should wrap things up
At 10 minutes a different sound to REALLY wrap things up
At the end of the appointment a different loud sound should signal.
What do you think? I don’t believe anything like this exists.
- I would love if the program could have a configurable number of reminders and sounds to play.
- It would also be great if it would only do this for appointments with a specific category and status.
- It would also help if you could configure the volume to be at the system volume setting, or a specified volume.
- It would be nice if there was a big button to enable/disable the whole thing.
Do you think? Would this be hard to write? Would someone be up for the challenge?
I am guessing other professions would benefit from it e.g. lawyers, massage therapists, anyone who works by the hour. A small niche, but one who would really eat this app up
Thanks!
Mark
Interesting idea.
I might add it to my list of Windows Mobile applications to develop depending on how things shape up. This looks like a good application to offer in the sub $3-$5 price range.
Hi Frazell,
Glad you may be interested. I used to develop software, so I can be a good beta tester, and think that I can specify what I am looking for well. Hopefully we can make a good developer-tester team. Let me know. Sounds fun to the be user for once .
Thanks,
Mark
frazell said:
Interesting idea.
I might add it to my list of Windows Mobile applications to develop depending on how things shape up. This looks like a good application to offer in the sub $3-$5 price range.
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At 15 minutes from the end of an appointment a gentle sound would play to remind me that I should wrap things up
At 10 minutes a different sound to REALLY wrap things up
At the end of the appointment a different loud sound should signal.
- I would love if the program could have a configurable number of reminders and sounds to play.
- It would also be great if it would only do this for appointments with a specific category and status.
- It would also help if you could configure the volume to be at the system volume setting, or a specified volume.
- It would be nice if there was a big button to enable/disable the whole thing.
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Hi,
I am fairly certain I could Mort script your entire wishlist posted here. Mortscript is not as cool as a .net app, but does not lack in speed or power.
Wouldn't be too hard. Obviously a lot of timing logic, but no big deal. There are already a number of timing scripts that I am sure would plug right in.
I don't know if anybody would be interested if I pushed it out? I may use this concept app as a test showcase (big word) for my HTML based Mortscript menus. This means the Buttons you push to start/dismiss alarms can look real nice with a background or color scheme.
Thanks for listening,
Keith
Hi Guys,
I would be absolutely delighted if either if you gave it a shot. I tried to flesh out my specs. Not all of these are necessary for me, but I tried to think of how to make it as attractive as possible or a wide range of users.
- An unlimited number of reminders with different sounds/volumes. Perhaps you can specify with timing from the beginning or end of the appointment. i.e. you can specify 10 minutes from the end, or ten minutes from the beginning
- The volume should be selectable as a system volume or specific volume. This is important since I often want all OTHER reminders to be silent while I am in an appointment.
- Vibrate option
- A play test button on the screen where you choose the sound to test how it will actually sound
So the screen to set up sounds may look like this:
_(Sound file)_ _(minutes)_ _(from begin/end)_ _ (Vol)_ _(Vibrate?) _ (Play Button)_
_(Sound file)_ _(minutes)_ _(from begin/end)_ _ (Vol)_ _(Vibrate?) _ _ (Play Button)_
_(Sound file)_ _(minutes)_ _(from begin/end)_ _ (Vol)_ _(Vibrate?) _ _ (Play Button)_
__(Add Another Reminder Button)___
- The (Add Another Reminder Button) shown above will add another line.
- Perhaps different profiles based on appointment status/category/time combinations.
- Perhaps profile switching from the command line so it can be controlled by a third party profile app (e.g. phone alarm)
- Perhaps three big digital clocks current time; elapsed appointment time; remaining appointment time.
- It should not put an unnecessary drain on the battery. i.e. it should allow the phone to sleep if they do not want to see the clock screen on all the time. Obviously it would still wake to ring the reminder tones .
- Perhaps a finger friendly manual profile switch button.
- Perhaps a finger friendly enable/disable button
- Perhaps an easy way to make it start up with the phone automatically.
If profiles are too complicated, it would be fine without profiles, as long as you can enable/disable the program by the command line. That way other profile managers can handle that. I think that without profiles the program should be relatively easy. Perhaps profiles can be a 2.0 idea.
Thanks!
Mark
Hi guys,
Well I could not help myself - I ended up coding it myself in Mortscript. Thanks Keith for the reference to Mortscript - I had seen the name on the board, but had never known what is was.
Unfortunately, it is all hard-coded to my requirements. I do not know how to put a user-interface on it so that it would be extensible to other users. Perhaps this is what you were going to do Keith?
Thanks,
Mark
That is great.
Could you post the script?
I was going to start with the user interface first. I wasn't too thrilled to set up the reminder code, so this is a bonus.
I can also add code to store settings and whatnot if you have not done so already...
Hi Keith,
Here we go. I have tried to make the code as easy as possible to follow. You will see the first few section are all the parameters which are currently hard-coded, and would need to be made accessible via the interface you write.
Currently it only works in Pacific Daylight Savings Time. The variable offset is coded for this. Perhaps you can figure out how to get this to work for all time zones.
I also have another problem. If the phone goes to sleep, the alarms will not work. I am guessing I need to put some sort of logic to put a program in the notification queue or something. Any ideas? Can you do this on your side?
Thanks,
Mark
OK, I solved the issue with the phone going to sleep. I also added a few new features.
It still does not work other time zones - perhaps you have some ideas.
There are two files "reminder.mort" starts the program; "reminderKill" stops the program.
Here you go. Enjoy!
Mark
Hi.
As fast as I can I am finishing up my Ringtone update.
There is a timezonebias command and I expect that will fix the time zone issue.
"Phone goes to sleep". I wonder what that means . But seriously. I am fairly certain I will get to peruse your code and set up a interface for it maybe even by tomorrow night (elves willing).
Great Keith!
I am excited to see what it would look like
So I have been digging in.
I am just posting a initial start alpha.
It's not working, just for show.
I did drop it into a cab file so u can install/uninstall it.
Tomorrow am i will get it so it is functional from the menus.
Hey Keith,
That is looking like a nice start!
Mark
Betterer Version
So this version connects most of the dots.
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Why don't u enclose 3 sound files so we can cab em up and set them as default sounds?
Delete your ini file if you are just copying mscr over.
Maybe next version i will make sure it baks up and is able to restore from a reinstall. Probly better to store them in the registry for just such an emergency. ("I keep my feathers numbered...", Foghorn Leghorn)
Hey Keith,
That rocks! Very cool!
Here are some issues/suggestions I had - you probably are aware of many:
-I tried to run it with the latest "stable" mortscript, and all I got was an error that the sub "Mortscript" was not found.
-I then downloaded the latest beta from the website; the program then connected and downloaded another even later version. It then got an error trying to install that version. I moved the file it downloaded to the right place, and then finally it worked .
- Can we make the interface a little easier to use with your fingers? Particularly the "Activate/Deactivate buttons"?
- Can we have a check box "Automatically Run At Startup (in the background)"?
- Can we make the other reminder parameters configurable by the interface i.e."time"; "flashes"; vibrate"
- I like the INI file idea - that is cool.
Congratulations! Super cool!
I will ZIP up the sound files tomorrow for you.
Mark
Version 4.2 doesnt support CallFunction. We (the royal "we") easily could rewrite it so it treats all the variables as global and then could revert to a lesser mort version.
I will look into fixing the auto install of the new mortscript. I have a MotoQ smartphone and can't use the download command on my phone. Small matter.
Activate/Deactivate button - Have to think of how to show this. I will whip out a simple way for starters. 3 buttons on Main app screen. Activate/DeActivate/Settings. Make the text button size large so the first 2 buttons show.
Automatically Run At Startup - We can have another shortcut just run the ReminderActivate and maybe vibrate signalling on. Is that what you mean? Picard could say energize, I have a tiny wav file that says that. Also a sleepmessage could show and go away.
"time"; "flashes"; vibrate" - You may have outlined this in your phase 2 details. I will need to review the list. If you havent mentioned them feel free to elaborate.
I just had to get the main framework laid out.
Glad it's shaping up.
Hey Keith,
1. I am enclosing three sounds files that work for me.
2. Various options. You will see that all the variables defined at the beginning of my script were designed to be user configurable. The volume, flash and vibrate functionality is already there, you just need to set the variables in the same way as you set the sound file.
ie:
# the appointment busy and catagory status needed. Blank = no requirement
requiredBusyStatus = "2"
requiredCatagory = ""
# Info about each alarm: seconds to end; volume level (-1 = system vol); flash n times; soud file; vibrate n times
level0Time = 0
volume0 = 255
flash0 = 0
soundFile0 = ""
vibrate0 = 0
3. Startup. I am not sure the best way to do. Perhaps a Right Softkey saying "Autostart RemindUs" or a checkbox on the main screen. If they select it, it will just start the program automatically in the background when the phone starts.
Thanks!
Mark
Hi.
Update soon...
After a long delay, I wanted to see if anyone wanted to do some Beta testing. Sab Watch has been changed quite significantly, and before it heads to the Marketplace, I thought it could use a little more real world testing.
If you're interested, Ill send you a XAP which you can use with no limitations... Just post here with your email. Note that the unofficial contract in the deal is that you provide a little bit of your experience. (Errors that you see, language translation errors, etc). Without further adeu, here's the changelog:
3/20/2011 - Version 2.0
Layout change. Quite a few things have moved around. I am interested in hearing what you think: [email protected]
Trial version added. The trial version is the same as full version, except for ads on main screen and a nag when loading the app.
Multi-Language support. Sab Watch will now identify your language, and change text to work for your language. This is experimental, but testing did not show any problems. If you would like to help translate, please contact me at [email protected]. If Sab Watch doesn't recgonize your language automatically, you can change to a language of your choice by going to App Settings.
Supported Languages:
English
English (United States)
Spanish
German
Japanese
Dutch
French
Quite a few UI improvements.
Much more input validation.
Sab Watch will now save your search history. You can clear the history in app settings.
HTTPS support. Note that you will need a valid certificate, or you'll need to add your server certificate onto your phone.
A great tutorial can be found here:
http://davesimm.blogspot.com/2011/03/using-openssl-to-secure-and-encrypt.html
Price Drop - Sab Watch will now sell for 99 Cents (USD)
Please email me for any requests, support, and questions at [email protected].
http://www.williammelani.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/changelog.html
It also should completely support landscape mode.
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Bought the app, looks great but its a bit difficult to setup. Can you post some sort of guide.
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Bought the app, looks great but its a bit difficult to setup. Can you post some sort of guide.
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I can't currently post links, but I made a post about it on williammelani.com which has some pictures which may be helpful in setting up Sab Watch. Alternatively, you can try reading the information below for more help.
Yep, sorry about it, I actually just changed it to a Pivot/AppBar application which makes the configuration much easier.
On the configuration Page, click on the + Icon to add your first server (or a new one, etc)
From here, enter your Sabnzbd Credentials. You can click the blue 'Config Help...' for more detailed information, but the idea is this:
Server Name is a way for you to identify the server. For example, if you want to communicate on your local network when you're at home, you might call it 'home', and another server with a remote IP you might call 'away'.
Then, enter the IP you use to connect to Sabnzbd, as well as the port and API.
You can find the API key for sabnzbd by going to the 'Config' header and clicking on General. It should be a ~30 character long string.
The IP/host is something like 192.168.1.201, or if you have a domain name attached, it might be something like myhomeserver .com.
Back on the configuration page, you can directly enter your NZBMatrix details. You will need the username you use to login, as well as your API key. The API key can be found by clicking on Your Account at the top of the page after you've logged in.
Finally, you can set a server to be your 'default' by clicking the 'check' button. This server will be the one the application tries to automatically connect with when the application is launched.
When you've done all that, you need to connect to the server for the first time.
To select a server, click on the name until it highlights in your accented color. Then the 'Edit Server', 'Delete Server', 'Default Server', and 'Connect (PLAY icon)' will become available to use.
Your queue and history should show up after the first refresh, and continuously refresh based on the value you set on the 'status' page.
The application fully supports Context menus, meaning that in the three large lists (Queue, History, and Search), you can press and hold for a second to bring up a context menu to perform actions on the selected item.
Single clicking any item brings the 'detailed' view, which shows more information about the particular item you clicked on. On the queue page, you're presented with a few buttons to pause/resume the item, delete it, or move it to the top of the queue.
You can also change the category by clicking on either the Category header or the category itself.
History lets you view slightly more detailed history information, as well as delete the item from the history.
Search lets you view detailed results from NZBMatrix, and gives you a button to download to the server. This button, as well as the one from the context menu, will attempt to automatically sort downloads to their respective category.
I will add some pictures soon to help with the configuration. Sorry about that, Version 1.3 in ~ a week will make configuration and layout much easier.
Thanks again for the purchase
In the version currently in the app store, Newzbin is not available, although It was submitted 2 days ago so you should expect it soon.
Gotcha! Looks like i successfully added my Sab server. Thanks! Fantastic app so far!
Thanks I've just spent the last couple hours making the app use the pivot/appbar design, and I can't wait to release it It's much more intuitive and responsive, and the app seems more fluid in general.
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Thanks I've just spent the last couple hours making the app use the pivot/appbar design, and I can't wait to release it It's much more intuitive and responsive, and the app seems more fluid in general.
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Im looking forward to it!
Check out a preview of Sab Watch 1.3 here: youtube.com/watch?v=VYJpHDeQCyo
New version looks great! Do you know if Sab Watch will work with https, I tried it real quick on my machine and it didn't appear to work. Could easily be a problem on my end though.
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New version looks great! Do you know if Sab Watch will work with https, I tried it real quick on my machine and it didn't appear to work. Could easily be a problem on my end though.
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Thanks !
It doesnt support https yet, but only because I have hard-coded it to use http. Ill try to add it into 1.3 however. NZBMatrix is already using https.
Sab Watch 1.2 Is now in the marketplace!
Sab Watch 1.3 has been submitted to the marketplace. There was a weird goof/bug/something that happened in the 1.2 submission that renamed the app to 'sab watch (app)'.
I have been talking to support, and they advised me that it would be fixed if I submit a new app with the 'Sab Watch' name. If it doesn't fix it, ill just submit the app updates to each
Anyway, since 1.3 is considered a 'new' application, it goes through a more strenuous testing than if it was an update; therefore it might take a couple more days. Expect it by 12/9.
VERSION 1.3
NEW FEATURES
Entire App switched to Pivot/AppBar design. Makes performance on the main page better as it isn't always trying to display every list at once.
Added ability to set Pause Timer for SabNZBd server.
'Status' page renamed to extra. Still not quite sure what to do with it yet, as seems like less important information than anything else. Would appreciate suggestions.
Removed config page. This has been replaced by options on the Application Bar.
You may now set a custom amount of items to display for the Queue, History, and Newzbin Results. This will persist throughout application launches.
You may now set a custom refresh rate for the application. This will persist throughout application launches.
When entering the list of servers with no servers defined, you will now get prompted on how to begin adding your first server.
Clicking on a Warnings on the Detailed Server Information page shows the actual warnings received.
Trying to change the NZBMatrix category should be a little easier to bring up the category selector list. In addition, the selector list should load a little faster.
Added Turnstile transitions to pages.
You can now pick from a list of times to pause the server if you wish. This will make it much easier in most situations. Selectable times are 0 (off), 15 min, 30 min, 1 hour, 3 hours. You can still enter a number instead if you wish.
BUGFIXES
Certain Help dialogs contained outdated information from old versions, this is corrected and updated now.
Fixed numerous misspellings of the word occurred.
Fixed a bug where if the user left out their port on the server setup page, the port would be changed to 80, and then tell the user 80 is not a valid number.
Fixed some text placement inconsistencies on the Newzbin detailed post page.
Sab Watch now properly urlencodes search queries. I haven't observed any changes in search results, but YMMV.
Category on queue page should now stay at the line below the rest. This should prevent the 'jumpy' behavior you might have experienced, where as soon as it could fit on the previous line, it moved.
Made error messages that show when you attempt to use NZBMatrix or Newzbin without entering login information actually state that there is no information saved.
NOTES
Newzbin only supports 500 results returned. Any number higher than 500 will still return, at max, 500.
Setting the amount of items to display higher not only causes the application to lag while displaying them, but also uses considerably more data downloading the results, and CPU time to format the results. Keep the display amount reasonable to see good performance.
Here's an look at the upcoming Sab Watch 1.4, Which will feature RSS feeds of NZBMatrix, and possibly Newzbin. You can browse the categories in the same way as you can when select a search category.
Edited 12/5:
NZBMatrix feeds have been completed.
I bought it, thanks for your work so far.
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I bought it, thanks for your work so far.
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Thanks Goatmaster. I sent you a pm about HTTPS; but the problem is basically this:
Windows Phone 7 requires a valid certificate to use https, which means that:
1. You must have a valid certificate on your server.
or
2. You must jump through quite a few hoops to copy a your invalid certificate to special file format, email it, and open the email in IE, verify it, etc.
I don't mind adding it, its not much work, but just getting your opinion on if you'd do step (2). I asked some of the SabNZBd developers what they thought and they told me probably no one has a valid certificate.
Microsoft said:
If I understand correctly you want to communicate with a Web Service that is running on your own computer using SSL over HTTP (HTTPS). If the certificate of the Certificate Authority (CA) that signed the SSL certificate used by the server hosting your Web Service is not in the certificate store of your Windows Phone 7 device you could do the following:
Export the CA certificate to a Base64-encoded or DER-encoded X.509 .CER file.
Send the .CER file as an email attachment to yourself or put it on a Web server so that you can open and install it from the email application or Internet Explorer Mobile on the device .
If there are any intermediate certificates used do the same for those since a .CER file can only install one certificate.
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Edit: Sab Watch 1.3 is going to be skipped, and 1.4 was sent to the marketplace last night.
This may be a dumb question but would this allow me to start downloads from my phone? I use newsbin currently and I am sure I can figure out sabNzb if it would allow me to search and add things to my download queue. Or is this app just to watch and make priority changes to your queue?
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This may be a dumb question but would this allow me to start downloads from my phone? I use newsbin currently and I am sure I can figure out sabNzb if it would allow me to search and add things to my download queue. Or is this app just to watch and make priority changes to your queue?
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Yep, you can download things onto your sabnzbd server from within the app.
You setup the server to have your NZBMatrix/Newzbin credentials, and then this app have your credentials too.
It works like this: You search for new content on Newzbin/NZBMatrix, or browse feeds in the new version (comes out today!).
Once you find what you need, you click download in the app, which 'sends' the link to sabnzbd, and it begins the download.
There's a video on youtube in the first page which shows how you'd use the app. It's the closest version to the version that should be out today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJpHDeQCyo
ok that is awesome, looks like I may be buying this asap becuse this takes care of my remote issues the only time I remote into my pc from the phone is to queue stuff on Newzbin
Cool! I just got the "Approved Marketplace Submission" email a couple hours ago, should the new version should be in there today or at latest tomorrow.
Right now there is a version which works for newzbin currently in the marketplace however. There was a goof with the name so it's called
sab watch (app) in the marketplace, but the new version should fix it.
Cool got it working and it kicks ass thanks for saving me money and being really awesome and updating this thread to answer my questions, also works great with dyndns!!
I'm a WP7 user, who also owns an iPod touch. Overall I like the WP7 experience, except for the app list - in my opinion it's killing the system.
On my Ipod I have probably around 200 apps. They are organised by page - so I have a page for games, a page for music apps, a page for productivity apps etc. With the newer version of iOS I've also made sub-folders on each page, but the point is; when I need X app I just swipe to the relevant page, then look for its icon.
This also has a nice side effect; when i'm bored, it's easy just to flick through the screens and find an app I want to play with.
On WP7 there is no quick way to find an app without knowing its name. For example, I installed a currency converter but to run I have to browse through a list of around 40 apps, looking for it. I don't remember what its icon looks like or its name as I use it infrequently - this process takes ages, and defies the point of having a smart phone, which you can quickly take out your pocket and look up something.
There is no real way you can memorise the names of 100+ apps, so the only choice is scrolling. However, having one long list is broken from a usability point of view, as every time you install a new app everything below in the list it gets pushed down a little bit. Therefore if you do learn how far down to scroll to find a specific app, it will eventually move and you won't find it again.
Finally, already there are tons of apps on my phone that I have forgotten I have installed. The list is not easy to flick through when bored, so infrequently used apps get neglected. Bare in mind I only have around 30 apps installed, and already I'm confused / lost..
All this could be solved so easily by adding groups, like the people hub has in Mango. Imagine being able to add groups at the top of the list like "Games", "Productivity", "Sound" etc, and a killer feature would be that you can add each app to multiple groups. Newly installed apps could even go in a default group called "Programs", bit like Windows.
This simple change would make the phone about 1000x more productive than now - thoughts?
Whatever do you need two hundred applications for???
I have around 50 apps installed on my WP7, and everything I need it for is covered. It is significantly easier to remember the names of 50 apps than 200, especially considering most apps on WP7 have reasonable names "London Travel", "Groceries", etc...
With the jump list feature in mango, it will become easier to page through a long list of apps as the app list will replicate the naviation of the people list, where you can click on any letter, then the letter you want, and jump straight to where you need to be.
I personally like the simplicity of the tiles and apps. I agree that another page on the left, where you could select a bunch of "frequently used, but not so frequently that I want them as live tiles" apps, would be a definite improvement though.
Aphasaic2002 said:
I'm a WP7 user, who also owns an iPod touch. Overall I like the WP7 experience, except for the app list - in my opinion it's killing the system.
On my Ipod I have probably around 200 apps. They are organised by page - so I have a page for games, a page for music apps, a page for productivity apps etc. With the newer version of iOS I've also made sub-folders on each page, but the point is; when I need X app I just swipe to the relevant page, then look for its icon.
This also has a nice side effect; when i'm bored, it's easy just to flick through the screens and find an app I want to play with.
On WP7 there is no quick way to find an app without knowing its name. For example, I installed a currency converter but to run I have to browse through a list of around 40 apps, looking for it. I don't remember what its icon looks like or its name as I use it infrequently - this process takes ages, and defies the point of having a smart phone, which you can quickly take out your pocket and look up something.
There is no real way you can memorise the names of 100+ apps, so the only choice is scrolling. However, having one long list is broken from a usability point of view, as every time you install a new app everything below in the list it gets pushed down a little bit. Therefore if you do learn how far down to scroll to find a specific app, it will eventually move and you won't find it again.
Finally, already there are tons of apps on my phone that I have forgotten I have installed. The list is not easy to flick through when bored, so infrequently used apps get neglected. Bare in mind I only have around 30 apps installed, and already I'm confused / lost..
All this could be solved so easily by adding groups, like the people hub has in Mango. Imagine being able to add groups at the top of the list like "Games", "Productivity", "Sound" etc, and a killer feature would be that you can add each app to multiple groups. Newly installed apps could even go in a default group called "Programs", bit like Windows.
This simple change would make the phone about 1000x more productive than now - thoughts?
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Here's what grouping the app list looks like -
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"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
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"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
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you can artificially group them on your start screen by doing something like this:
http://www.wpcentral.com/organise-your-start-screen-live-tiles
personally, the ability to add something to a hub, or to just have the option for folders would be helpful for people who want more control over the organization of apps, but i have maybe 50 apps installed and rarely do i find i'm missing an app for something.
andrewkeith5 said:
Whatever do you need two hundred applications for???
I have around 50 apps installed on my WP7, and everything I need it for is covered. It is significantly easier to remember the names of 50 apps than 200, especially considering most apps on WP7 have reasonable names "London Travel", "Groceries", etc...
With the jump list feature in mango, it will become easier to page through a long list of apps as the app list will replicate the naviation of the people list, where you can click on any letter, then the letter you want, and jump straight to where you need to be.
I personally like the simplicity of the tiles and apps. I agree that another page on the left, where you could select a bunch of "frequently used, but not so frequently that I want them as live tiles" apps, would be a definite improvement though.
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So now we are being judged for having too many apps? What business is it of yours (or anyone's) how many apps someone else has on their phone?
For people who have more use for their phone than 50 apps can satisfy, the current system, even with the jump list, is woefully inadequate. Too many app developers think they can be "clever" by giving their app a name that really has little bearing on its use. When you get too many of these on your phone, it becomes annoyingly difficult to remember the obscure names of all of these apps, so even the jump list and search features don't really help much.
Adding the option to pin apps to the top of the list (and then be able to drag them into a preferred order, similar to the way live tiles can be dragged around) would be a huge benefit to many of us. Even a "most recently used" list or the ability to group by marketplace category would help.
Aphasaic2002 said:
I'm a WP7 user, who also owns an iPod touch. Overall I like the WP7 experience, except for the app list - in my opinion it's killing the system.
On my Ipod I have probably around 200 apps. They are organised by page - so I have a page for games, a page for music apps, a page for productivity apps etc. With the newer version of iOS I've also made sub-folders on each page, but the point is; when I need X app I just swipe to the relevant page, then look for its icon.
This also has a nice side effect; when i'm bored, it's easy just to flick through the screens and find an app I want to play with.
On WP7 there is no quick way to find an app without knowing its name. For example, I installed a currency converter but to run I have to browse through a list of around 40 apps, looking for it. I don't remember what its icon looks like or its name as I use it infrequently - this process takes ages, and defies the point of having a smart phone, which you can quickly take out your pocket and look up something.
There is no real way you can memorise the names of 100+ apps, so the only choice is scrolling. However, having one long list is broken from a usability point of view, as every time you install a new app everything below in the list it gets pushed down a little bit. Therefore if you do learn how far down to scroll to find a specific app, it will eventually move and you won't find it again.
Finally, already there are tons of apps on my phone that I have forgotten I have installed. The list is not easy to flick through when bored, so infrequently used apps get neglected. Bare in mind I only have around 30 apps installed, and already I'm confused / lost..
All this could be solved so easily by adding groups, like the people hub has in Mango. Imagine being able to add groups at the top of the list like "Games", "Productivity", "Sound" etc, and a killer feature would be that you can add each app to multiple groups. Newly installed apps could even go in a default group called "Programs", bit like Windows.
This simple change would make the phone about 1000x more productive than now - thoughts?
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Nah man, it's just because you're so used to working with the 4x4 grid. Your brain is gonna pick up working with WP7 and you'll start remembering the names of apps, at least ones that you use frequently.
Worst case my friend, use the voice option to open the name of the app
OR
Hit the Magnifying glass and do a search of the functionality that you're looking for. Mango has it where it'll suggest apps for the tasks that you want to do.
As a tangent, I can't even imagine drilling down through so many levels of folders to find what I'm looking for, at least on a phone, that just sounds nuts to me.
ScottSUmmers said:
Hit the Magnifying glass and do a search of the functionality that you're looking for. Mango has it where it'll suggest apps for the tasks that you want to do.
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i didn't know mango had that as a feature, neat!
tired of these threads with these lousy childish complaints. use the jumplist, search feature or pin your most used apps to the start screen!!!! and be done with it, that's what it's there for!
Ok, so everyone always says "use the jump list" or "use the search function...
There is no jumplist. I have 86 apps in my applist and there's no jumplist.
There is no search. When I press the search button, I get the bing search. If I enter the name of any of my apps, all it gives me is bing search results. "Web" and "News". There's no option to search/find apps.
So please either stop telling use to use these non-existing features or tell us how to enable them. Until then: I want groups as well!
Not to pile on, but if you can't find a currency converter app on your phone that you installed in a list of 40 apps, maybe the phone isn't the problem. Additionally, if you believe finding an app within multiple pages with multiple sub genres is less confusing, I just don't know what to say.
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It's not too bad of a suggestiong, not sure why some are taking it so personally. Right now it's not a big deal but later on when you have a lot of apps, then it may be nice to have grouping. It will also probably look better visually, then just a plain list.
On the other hand, as others have already mentioned there are ways to get around it now, use the voice command.. it's works great. Or use the search grid. Or pin if you have too.
N0MN0M said:
use the voice command.. it's works great.
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while voice launching works surprisingly well, I'd just feel stupid in public (city, train) to yell "start nyan!"...
Localhorst86 said:
while voice launching works surprisingly well, I'd just feel stupid in public (city, train) to yell "start nyan!"...
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then PIN THE APP!!!!!
eric12341 said:
then PIN THE APP!!!!!
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And needlessly clutter the start screen. Brilliant idea, that one.
Localhorst86 said:
Ok, so everyone always says "use the jump list" or "use the search function...
There is no jumplist. I have 86 apps in my applist and there's no jumplist.
There is no search. When I press the search button, I get the bing search. If I enter the name of any of my apps, all it gives me is bing search results. "Web" and "News". There's no option to search/find apps.
So please either stop telling use to use these non-existing features or tell us how to enable them. Until then: I want groups as well!
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I'm assuming you don't have Mango. In Mango, you have the following
1. Jump list is activated when you have greater than 4X (I forget the exact number) apps
2. I just did a search for "restaurant reviews" and the first result is the Yelp icon with the ability to launch the app. It is under the web tab. In addition, there is a search button in the app list (under the arrow)
munkeyphyst said:
Not to pile on, but if you can't find a currency converter app on your phone that you installed in a list of 40 apps, maybe the phone isn't the problem. Additionally, if you believe finding an app within multiple pages with multiple sub genres is less confusing, I just don't know what to say.
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You are piling on, and you know it .
But let's take your specific example. I have the XE currency converter app on my phone. The problem is, in an effort to be clever, they put the "XE" in the icon, and called the app "Currency". So, looking at it in the list you still see "XE Currency".
If I used it every day, I'd get used to that. But I don't use it every day (and therefore DON'T, I repeat DON'T want to pin it to the start screen). And, the few times I have used it, my mind has focused on the fact that it is XE (since that has always been its name on the web site I've used for the past ten years, i.e. xe.com). Unfortunately, you won't find it under X in the list, but under C. And in a list of 150+ apps, it tends to get lost fairly quickly.
Seriously people, stop bashing others for not wanting to just settle for something less or not be like everyone else. Having groups/folders/etc. is a good suggestion. Also, a lot of your suggestions are for Mango, which many of us don't want to run yet as you loose a lot of homebrew on it nevermind it's Beta. So, in the end, stop crying because someone has a complaint or is giving constructive criticism. While you may like it exactly as is, not everyone does & having choices is better.
PG2G said:
2. I just did a search for "restaurant reviews" and the first result is the Yelp icon with the ability to launch the app. It is under the web tab. In addition, there is a search button in the app list (under the arrow)
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And you really don't see how monumentally inefficient it is to have to open bing and type in "restaurant reviews" and wait for the search results, just to launch an app that is already installed? I think that new feature of bing is more intended to help people recognize that an app they already have offers a feature they didn't know about or to allow them to install the app if they don't already have it, not to provide an efficient means to launch an app that you are already familiar with.
RoboDad said:
And needlessly clutter the start screen. Brilliant idea, that one.
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apps u most commonly use on a daily basis aren't " needless clutter" and its not MS' problem that u don't want to actually use the start screen.
eric12341 said:
apps u most commonly use on a daily basis aren't " needless clutter" and its not MS' problem that u don't want to actually use the start screen.
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You really need to pay more attention to what is written in the thread before responding. Read this again:
RoboDad said:
If I used it every day, I'd get used to that. But I don't use it every day (and therefore DON'T, I repeat DON'T want to pin it to the start screen).
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