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My thoughts on the Oct. 7th annoucement

Sprint is scheduled to make an announcement concerning their network on October 7th. There have been rumors stating that Sprint will use EVDO Rev. B, and/or the 800MHz spectrum for better coverage.
However, I have this sinking feeling the news regarding their network isn't going to be good.
With all the recent policy changes, (Sprint capping Hotspot users, dropping their Premiere plans, reducing the return window for new phones from 30 days to 14, upping their activation, termination, and administrative fees, it's my fear that Sprint is going to be dropping their unlimited data plans all together.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but there's so much that's happened with Sprint in the last 30 days I can't help but feel the news they're going to relay is going to be anything but good.
What are your thoughts?

Theyll throttle before they cap it. Your main concern should be if you just bought a $700 phone that doesnt support a network starting less than a month later.

wingzfan said:
Theyll throttle before they cap it. Your main concern should be if you just bought a $700 phone that doesnt support a network starting less than a month later.
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If you're referring to EVDO Rev. B then I have no idea.. Nobody seems to be able to give a definite answer to that.... >_<;;

I think is going to be about the Iphone. I hope they dont cap there data. Thats the only reason they have my service right now. If so, Good bye yellow and hello big Red.
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donnelljrn said:
I think is going to be about the Iphone. I hope they dont cap there data. Thats the only reason they have my service right now. If so, Good bye yellow and hello big Red.
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I can say this. Our best buy Sept 27th ad leak had a spot saying that Oct 7th we would start taking Sprint Iphone preorders so you may be right.

I honestly believe Sprint made all these changes to their policy to help pay for the network improvements they plan to unveil Oct.. Sprint don't have the kind of cash reserve that AT&T or Verizon has. So I really do believe Oct. announcement is going to be for a better future.

i hope they dont throttle...there main selling point and even advertisements are the fact they dont cap or throttle

I hope by better future they dont hope iphone is the answer.
They gotta be planning something network wise cuz they know its horrible right now. They lost a huge contract that supplied a ton of theyre towers so they have got to be coming up with a plan. The tech I spoke with the other day agreed that the service is complete crap at the moment and if they didnt do something theyre gonna lose a ton of customers.

Mitalis said:
Sprint is scheduled to make an announcement concerning their network on October 7th. There have been rumors stating that Sprint will use EVDO Rev. B, and/or the 800MHz spectrum for better coverage.
However, I have this sinking feeling the news regarding their network isn't going to be good.
With all the recent policy changes, (Sprint capping Hotspot users, dropping their Premiere plans, reducing the return window for new phones from 30 days to 14, upping their activation, termination, and administrative fees, it's my fear that Sprint is going to be dropping their unlimited data plans all together.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but there's so much that's happened with Sprint in the last 30 days I can't help but feel the news they're going to relay is going to be anything but good.
What are your thoughts?
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I don't think so. That is the only advantage they have over the other carriers and they won't drop that anytime soon IMO. Plus, they have already said that they will be announcing something big that is 4g related.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20099243-94/sprint-special-october-event-could-reveal-4g-plans/

wingzfan said:
I hope by better future they dont hope iphone is the answer.
They gotta be planning something network wise cuz they know its horrible right now. They lost a huge contract that supplied a ton of theyre towers so they have got to be coming up with a plan. The tech I spoke with the other day agreed that the service is complete crap at the moment and if they didnt do something theyre gonna lose a ton of customers.
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Yeah, that was AllTel. They basically lost all the 3G roaming contracts with all the AllTel towers that Verizon purchased.
I'm lucky enough to be in a state where most of the AllTel towers were taken over by CellOne instead... I get faster 3G data when I'm roaming in the middle of nowhere up north than I do here in the city.

If they start to cap their data, then there's no reason to stay with Sprint.

spencer88 said:
If they start to cap their data, then there's no reason to stay with Sprint.
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I can think of $130 reasons cuz thats how much I save by being on theyre network a month.

wingzfan said:
I can think of $130 reasons cuz thats how much I save by being on theyre network a month.
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Good for you, but I don't. I'm stuck suffering with horrible data speeds, never reaching over 200 kbps download.

I hope Sprint does throttle--iPhone users. That's all we need is a bunch of iPhone users jumping on the already slow, overtaxed network making all of our experiences even worse. Unless, of course... they announce network infrastructure changes that mitigate the problme. All I know is that it couldn't be much worse here in Indianapolis than it's been the last six months or so--it's almost intolerable.

tbhausen said:
I hope Sprint does throttle--iPhone users. That's all we need is a bunch of iPhone users jumping on the already slow, overtaxed network making all of our experiences even worse. Unless, of course... they announce network infrastructure changes that mitigate the problme. All I know is that it couldn't be much worse here in Indianapolis than it's been the last six months or so--it's almost intolerable.
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iPhone users use on average 400 MB per month, android is 600 MB.

spencer88 said:
Good for you, but I don't. I'm stuck suffering with horrible data speeds, never reaching over 200 kbps download.
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You pay what you get for... Its your own fauly for not taking advantage of your 14 or 30 day period
No need to get mad
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hello big red

Yeah, it's definitely about the iPhone5. "Unlimited data" is the only thing they have going for them. After all fees and everything is considered they are only $10 or so away from Verizon a month for me, and if I'm going to get capped I'm going to leave and at least get great coverage on a network with super-power level infrastructure and continual improvements at all levels.
I love Sprint, don't get me wrong...but fantastic customer service and $10 a month won't be enough for me to put up with also-ran data speeds and coverage.
They know this.
The announcement will be about the iPhone5 and perhaps the "New Network Vision" or however they brand the things that Verizon does constantly without fanfare... If they announced tiered or "up to; then throttle" data plans I'm out and tens of thousands, nay, hundreds of thousands of others as well...they know better.
We've lost every other perk that kept me thrilled with Sprint, besides their fantastic customer service. (I am really impressed with their CS, seriously) I imagine it was to improve the network and continue supplying unlimited data, if not, pffft, piss off Sprint.

I think it's going to be a network announcement...
They need to make that announcement before they announce the iPhone will be available on Sprint.
The Oct 7th announcement will be that they will use EVDO Rev. B, and/or the 800MHz spectrum for better coverage.
That will allow them to subsequently announce the iPhone later, without the concerns for existing and prospective customers that the additional traffic will sink their network. Essentially, that upgrade will quadruple their bandwidth - pretty cool, and a good thing to do just prior to an iPhone announcement.

daneurysm said:
Yeah, it's definitely about the iPhone5. "Unlimited data" is the only thing they have going for them. After all fees and everything is considered they are only $10 or so away from Verizon a month for me, and if I'm going to get capped I'm going to leave and at least get great coverage on a network with super-power level infrastructure and continual improvements at all levels.
I love Sprint, don't get me wrong...but fantastic customer service and $10 a month won't be enough for me to put up with also-ran data speeds and coverage.
They know this.
The announcement will be about the iPhone5 and perhaps the "New Network Vision" or however they brand the things that Verizon does constantly without fanfare... If they announced tiered or "up to; then throttle" data plans I'm out and tens of thousands, nay, hundreds of thousands of others as well...they know better.
We've lost every other perk that kept me thrilled with Sprint, besides their fantastic customer service. (I am really impressed with their CS, seriously) I imagine it was to improve the network and continue supplying unlimited data, if not, pffft, piss off Sprint.
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+1
Daneurysm always knows how to lay it down... Just like on the 3d forum!
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Sprint claims they don't throttle??

If you go to Sprint.com, the first promo they have on there is the promotion of their $79 unlimited data plan. If you click on that, it brings you to a page where they are promoting it some more, and on the bottom of the paragraph it says "When you become a new Sprint customer, we'll buy your old phone and you can FORGET ABOUT DATA CAPS, OVERAGES AND THROTTLING while you're on the Sprint Network."
Is this true? Can anyone here, who is perhaps a sprint employee, confirm that Sprint does not throttle? Because I'm a semi-heavy data user (20gb of data usage last month alone) and I can see from the speed differences alone that they throttle. Any insights on this?

As far as everything that has been told to me, the only users we throttle are the heaviest roaming users; this however, is not contrary to their claims, as the "no throttling" claim applies to being on the Sprint network.
Now, I'm sure there are automated tower optimizations that ensure all users on a node have equal access to data, so a disproportionately heavy user may experience varying speeds as part of the "leveling out" action, but i would surmise this isn't intentional "throttling" so much as it is ensuring customers aren't affected greatly by a handful of users.
That, of course, is purely speculation.
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And plus your speed will constantly vary with tower loads and your relative proximity to the closest tower.
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Yeah like Squshy has said everything I've read is they will throttle "roaming users" but on network you are fine. And them doing it to roaming users is not out of line either.

hijewpositive said:
If you go to Sprint.com, the first promo they have on there is the promotion of their $79 unlimited data plan. If you click on that, it brings you to a page where they are promoting it some more, and on the bottom of the paragraph it says "When you become a new Sprint customer, we'll buy your old phone and you can FORGET ABOUT DATA CAPS, OVERAGES AND THROTTLING while you're on the Sprint Network."
Is this true? Can anyone here, who is perhaps a sprint employee, confirm that Sprint does not throttle? Because I'm a semi-heavy data user (20gb of data usage last month alone) and I can see from the speed differences alone that they throttle. Any insights on this?
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What the hell did you use 20GB for? This is why the network is so ****y and slow. People like you abuse data like there is no tomorrow.
Sorry but you should get throttled. Use your Wifi, don't be so cheap. And by the way I click the thanks button, because I really wanna thank users like you for screwing the rest of us out of bandwidth.

I know for a fact I'm being throttled. I used to get between 1.5-2mb down on 3g, until last month when I used 12gb of data. Now I'm lucky to pull 500k. In fact my buddy came over with the same phone and we did the speed test and he pulled between 1.3 -1.7mb. Mine was 300 - 600k. I know 100% I'm being throttled. It sucks hardcore.
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globen said:
I know for a fact I'm being throttled. I used to get between 1.5-2mb down on 3g, until last month when I used 12gb of data. Now I'm lucky to pull 500k. In fact my buddy came over with the same phone and we did the speed test and he pulled between 1.3 -1.7mb. Mine was 300 - 600k. I know 100% I'm being throttled. It sucks hardcore.
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sounds about right.

I have heard from an indirect dealer, that if you have service through an indirect dealer than it will be throttled.
In Boise we have a few Sprint indirect dealers. They either sell the phones for cheaper, or the plans for cheaper, but the service sucks.
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I just took all of the trottling services out of the services.jar and I am actually seeing faster speeds consistantly. I would say about 100kbs faster download, uploads are about the same.
EDIT: I used speed test and did a series of 4 tests 30 seconds apart on the same server to get my results. After removing the throttling services it was average of 96kbs faster download speeds.

No way to get around being throttled?
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globen said:
I know for a fact I'm being throttled. I used to get between 1.5-2mb down on 3g, until last month when I used 12gb of data. Now I'm lucky to pull 500k. In fact my buddy came over with the same phone and we did the speed test and he pulled between 1.3 -1.7mb. Mine was 300 - 600k. I know 100% I'm being throttled. It sucks hardcore.
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Based on the info you provided, all you know for a fact is you two got different speed test results.
You can be in the vicinity of multiple towers and each tower can have multiple carriers/channels. Each tower and even channel on the same tower can perform differently. Sometimes rebooting or updating PRL can cause you to shift to a different tower or channel.
For each speedtest, you need to verify you are both on the same tower and channel. You can find that information in the ##DEBUG# menus.
If you do that, then run the speedtests at the same time, then that could support your theory.
Otherwise it is like saying your wifi is bad, but your neighbors wifi is good (w/o mentioning yours is on ch6 and theirs is on ch11)

wow, 20 gigs is a lot of data on a phone....
Frankly, I hope users like you do get throttled, or have an up charge for that much usage..

wase4711 said:
wow, 20 gigs is a lot of data on a phone....
Frankly, I hope users like you do get throttled, or have an up charge for that much usage..
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Here's a thought.
If a company doesn't want users to use unlimited data DO NOT OFFER UNLIMITED DATA.
Just because YOU can't think of ways to use your phone to its full potential there is no reason others cannot and should not when the SELLING POINT WAS the unlimited data!

I wonder if I was being throttled when I was getting 74k, oh that's right, I use almost no data every month because my 3G connection BARELY WORKS!
I work downtown Chicago, sitting next to a bunch of ATT and Verizon users and watch them actually use their phone!

tt281gt said:
Here's a thought.
If a company doesn't want users to use unlimited data DO NOT OFFER UNLIMITED DATA.
Just because YOU can't think of ways to use your phone to its full potential there is no reason others cannot and should not when the SELLING POINT WAS the unlimited data!
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I 100% agree with this post
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tt281gt said:
Here's a thought.
If a company doesn't want users to use unlimited data DO NOT OFFER UNLIMITED DATA.
Just because YOU can't think of ways to use your phone to its full potential there is no reason others cannot and should not when the SELLING POINT WAS the unlimited data!
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That's a dumb response. Torrenting from your phone is not a good use of data.
I have 2 exchange accounts, 2 gmail acount, facebook, linkedin, twitter, 2 pop3 emails. I use 2 gigs. He should be throttled.
I work as a sys admin and handle the bills for our data. If i saw someone use that i would not just take his phone, I would make sure he gets fired. Actually a user like that i would make it my goal to make sure he gets fired and report him to all the wireless companies that we have a contract with, just to make sure that he doesnt do that again.
So tell me how am i not using my data to it's FULL POTENTIAL? I can understand 5-6 gigs.
I understand you're a cheppo that wants money for that art degree, but please get MetroPCS. I'll pay your 45$ a month just so there is one less of you.

tt281gt said:
Here's a thought.
If a company doesn't want users to use unlimited data DO NOT OFFER UNLIMITED DATA.
Just because YOU can't think of ways to use your phone to its full potential there is no reason others cannot and should not when the SELLING POINT WAS the unlimited data!
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I hope this same mentality doesn't carry over to all you can eat...

Trust me I've now had multiple friends over, all with the same results. Funny part is when I delete the file data/system/throttle it goes up over 1.5mbs. Then drops instantly to sub 500kbs. Just looking for a way to not get throttled. Might have to call sprint ask. My data each month is usually right around 5 to 6gb of data. As soon as I went over 10gb, I got slammed with throttling. It really sucks.
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apatcas said:
That's a dumb response. Torrenting from your phone is not a good use of data.
I have 2 exchange accounts, 2 gmail acount, facebook, linkedin, twitter, 2 pop3 emails. I use 2 gigs. He should be throttled.
I work as a sys admin and handle the bills for our data. If i saw someone use that i would not just take his phone, I would make sure he gets fired. Actually a user like that i would make it my goal to make sure he gets fired and report him to all the wireless companies that we have a contract with, just to make sure that he doesnt do that again.
So tell me how am i not using my data to it's FULL POTENTIAL? I can understand 5-6 gigs.
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That's what you feel personally.. But your response doesn't speak for everyone sir... Some people actually use their phone to no extent..or more likely a personal computer.. Weather its watching netflix, streaming media, or tether devices.. Which in take consumes alot of data.. Being that sprint is the only carrier who promotes and campaigns unlimited data.. People come over here with that intent to use their smartphone with that intention.. At the end, you can't blame anyone for using xx amount of gb if the carrier is boasting they provide data with no limitations
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apatcas said:
That's a dumb response. Torrenting from your phone is not a good use of data.
I have 2 exchange accounts, 2 gmail acount, facebook, linkedin, twitter, 2 pop3 emails. I use 2 gigs. He should be throttled.
I work as a sys admin and handle the bills for our data. If i saw someone use that i would not just take his phone, I would make sure he gets fired. Actually a user like that i would make it my goal to make sure he gets fired and report him to all the wireless companies that we have a contract with, just to make sure that he doesnt do that again.
So tell me how am i not using my data to it's FULL POTENTIAL? I can understand 5-6 gigs.
I understand you're a cheppo that wants money for that art degree, but please get MetroPCS. I'll pay your 45$ a month just so there is one less of you.
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Ill take you up on that Metro Offer since you offered
Lets see, I have 4g speeds, a phone that can stream movies and play them on any tv through HDMI, GOOD QUALITY MOVIES range in the 2GB range, stream music, youtube, XDA,. You do the math.
Sounds to me like you're a communist and a pucker butt.
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I hope this same mentality doesn't carry over to all you can eat...
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Of course!
No really, apples to oranges here. You took my words out of context. Over eating does not feel good.

I guess you'll never believe that sprint throttles your data until it actually happens to you! I wasn't a believer until now!
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Sprint reportedly cancelling......

Ahhhhh damn here we go again.....LOL
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/sprint-cancelling-early-upgrades/
"Like dominoes, Sprint's consumer-friendly policies continue to fall one at a time. Citing "high costs," the Now Network will begin discontinuing its practice of allowing customers to upgrade their phone 10-14 days prior to the official date of eligibility" - They aint lying

Not too bad, but still disappointing.
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Eh, no big deal to me. But it sucks for those that take advantage of it. Thanks for sharing.

Yea its not earth shattering but its just another broken link in the chain of bad decisions by Sprint lately. The sad part is you sit back and go what next...

In my point of veiw all sprint has done the last year is raise cost for us! We customers who wanted 4g and bought the evo 4g most never seen or connected to 4g. 3G speeds are beyond terrible and downright bog to 1X kind of speed during busy hours. At this point the cost between Sprint and verizon service is closing more and more as we speak. So I can expect many more customers to think, Why not go to a service with great data and call connectivity. Sprint really had a good think going with cost effective plans, but since have taken away many things like discounts on all lines, premier customers, ect ect. I know they are still cheaper but for how long and when will we see good data speeds like other companies? We are dead last in that!

How on earth is two weeks early costly?

Personally my biggest regret is getting my S2...not because I don't like the phone, but Sprint's data service is just godawfully slow. I bet I use less than 50M a month. The second I get home I go to WiFi and when I'm out and about I just don't bother as the 3G is a joke.
Unless Sprint gets LTE here in Iowa by mid 2013, I'll pay the early termination fee for our lines and go to Verizon. When I'm a meeting a work I'll have my coworker look stuff up on his Galaxy Nexus...with the 8-12 MB download speeds from Verizon.
Life could certainly be worse, but my data speeds have nowhere to go but up.

I don't see this as a big deal whatsoever. The last line of the memo is the most important Imo. Everyone is eligible for upgrade the 1st of the month their contract is up. What more can you ask for?
As far as sprint saving money, not sure how really. I mean by allowing an early upgrade they are guaranteeing 22 months of payment out of you. Most of us would use that 2 weeks to get a new phone on launch, right? What happens when instead of getting a launch phone with them early, another carrier has a new phone being released when your contract is up? I'm blabbing, but what I'm saying is if they let me upgrade a little early I would be more likely to stay with that provider. But if I wait then I'm suddenly out of contract, which would make me shop around carriers.
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I see potential loss here, because they are basically giving sprint customers a reason to shop around while off contract instead of always keeping us in contract by allowing early upgrades.
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ib4 'would this allow me to get out w/o paying ETF', 'is this a breach of contract?', etc

Figures... Admittedly the 3g speeds are ridiculously slow... The only thing keeping me with sprint is the unlimited data... When that goes out the window so do I...
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Another nickel in the nickel-and-diming Sprint is doing causing customer losses.

Could be worse, verizon is removing all grandfathered plans with unlimited data:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/verizon-cfo-says-grandfathered-unlimited-plans-on-the-way-out/

daryelv said:
Another nickel in the nickel-and-diming Sprint is doing causing customer losses.
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Exactly, if you treat this as a separate event then its not a big deal but if you start to add up all that has happened in the past year and since the Iphone came aboard and it may upset you especially if you took 2 minutes to have this page refresh due to network restraints....

brooksyx said:
Could be worse, verizon is removing all grandfathered plans with unlimited data:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/verizon-cfo-says-grandfathered-unlimited-plans-on-the-way-out/
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Was just going to post this.
All that monthly cost just to get bent over lololol
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mattykinsx said:
Was just going to post this.
All that monthly cost just to get bent over lololol
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Yeah, I do wish I had verizon for their great coverage, thats what I had before my parents kicked me off of their plan.
But hey I don't mind my virgin mobile: 1200min/unlimited text/unlimited data for $40 a month. I am pretty happy with that. Even have unlimited wimax 4g
I will probably switch over to sprint in a year or two though when I can afford it better.

chadillac3 said:
Personally my biggest regret is getting my S2...not because I don't like the phone, but Sprint's data service is just godawfully slow. I bet I use less than 50M a month. The second I get home I go to WiFi and when I'm out and about I just don't bother as the 3G is a joke.
Unless Sprint gets LTE here in Iowa by mid 2013, I'll pay the early termination fee for our lines and go to Verizon. When I'm a meeting a work I'll have my coworker look stuff up on his Galaxy Nexus...with the 8-12 MB download speeds from Verizon.
Life could certainly be worse, but my data speeds have nowhere to go but up.
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i live in Iowa as well. all my friends have Verizon as well. they do have nice service but they can only use 2gb a month or they pay out the ass. i get around 1mb down most days and i use about 10-16gb of data per month. my bill has never gone up and no one at sprint cares.
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I think this is a good move. You guys that are complaining about it need to see what we see in the stores. This 14 day early deal is confusing to customers and abused by third party stores. The cost savings are in reduced overrides that are done when customers come in confused. Id rather have a consistent, fair policy than one that can be used to work the system by some and not taken advantage of by others. The upgrade now promo is a perfect example of a policy change that makes sense. Customers in March could pay to reset their upgrade regardless of the plan they were on. Instead of yearly upgrades for customers on expensive plans, now anyone could get it with a little extra cash if they need it.
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darksideauto said:
i live in Iowa as well. all my friends have Verizon as well. they do have nice service but they can only use 2gb a month or they pay out the ass. i get around 1mb down most days and i use about 10-16gb of data per month. my bill has never gone up and no one at sprint cares.
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Don't let my girlfriend see your posts. She has a Verizon Gnex but the 4g is nearly useless. We live an hour away from the Quad Cities and Verizon's 4g only covers the core of that area.
At least with Sprint, there's no teasing just out of range prospect of 4g!

HenryDCase said:
Don't let my girlfriend see your posts. She has a Verizon Gnex but the 4g is nearly useless. We live an hour away from the Quad Cities and Verizon's 4g only covers the core of that area.
At least with Sprint, there's no teasing just out of range prospect of 4g!
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She should be getting LTE by end of this year, though...with Sprint...I may be retired before it happens.

Ascertion said:
How on earth is two weeks early costly?
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cause if you do it everytime you can over 54 years you just got a free phone.

signal on gnex sucks and they keep sending me refurbs what should i do

hey guys i have been on the gnex previously gs3 for about 4 days and just now noticing horrible data speeds on sprint had to revert to flashing vzw prl's. they continue to send me refurb gnex's and they all the same issue and the only option they give me for a device is a lg viper which is still running gb so i consider this a downgrade. what can be done for sprint to offer me a better more reasonable device, i continue to call with the same outcome called account services aka "the retention department" contact tech support with no luck they tell me to take it to a service center in which case i don't have time with my current schedule to physically bring it in to the store does anyone going thought something similar have a positive outcome in the situation.

Get some screen shots of your data speeds over the course of a day so you have some supporting information. Speedtest.net is the app I use. If you have a different device that you can show comparison with, do that as well. Get in touch with Sprint's retention department and let them know that you are still having problems with data speeds and can document it. If they still refuse to provide a new device, tell them that you would like to be released from your contract due to failure to provide the specified speeds. They are obligated to provide at least the specified lowest speed. Two things you should keep in mind. 1) Your data speeds are going to have to be below Sprint's minimum specs consistently for this to work. 2) Stay calm and polite with the people you are talking with. They are usually willing to try and help, especially when a customer is considering leaving due to dissatisfaction. Even if they aren't willing to do what's necessary to keep your business, at least you'll be free to take it elsewhere. They will request that the phone be returned, but if it's defective anyway, no big deal. Hope this helps and you can get it sorted out soon.
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Pierceye said:
Get some screen shots of your data speeds over the course of a day so you have some supporting information. Speedtest.net is the app I use. If you have a different device that you can show comparison with, do that as well. Get in touch with Sprint's retention department and let them know that you are still having problems with data speeds and can document it. If they still refuse to provide a new device, tell them that you would like to be released from your contract due to failure to provide the specified speeds. They are obligated to provide at least the specified lowest speed. Two things you should keep in mind. 1) Your data speeds are going to have to be below Sprint's minimum specs consistently for this to work. 2) Stay calm and polite with the people you are talking with. They are usually willing to try and help, especially when a customer is considering leaving due to dissatisfaction. Even if they aren't willing to do what's necessary to keep your business, at least you'll be free to take it elsewhere. They will request that the phone be returned, but if it's defective anyway, no big deal. Hope this helps and you can get it sorted out soon.
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thanks buddy i have called retention several times but look for a way out of contract seems like the best option my d.l speeds are consistantly below 100 kb/s however my uploads are about 400 so that part i am worried about and what do they say i am supposed to get on 3g? i will save some s.s. on computer once they are needed.

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thanks buddy i have called retention several times but look for a way out of contract seems like the best option my d.l speeds are consistantly below 100 kb/s however my uploads are about 400 so that part i am worried about and what do they say i am supposed to get on 3g? i will save some s.s. on computer once they are needed.
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Not sure what Sprint is guaranteeing for minimum on 3G, but if you check out your contract details online, they should be specified. My strong suspicion is that 100kb/s will be short of that minimum by a pretty significant amount. Good luck, and keep us posted.
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Pierceye said:
Not sure what Sprint is guaranteeing for minimum on 3G, but if you check out your contract details online, they should be specified. My strong suspicion is that 100kb/s will be short of that minimum by a pretty significant amount. Good luck, and keep us posted.
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i will keep you posted. i have asked several time that i can have a copy of my contact mailed to me or email or what not and all they have is a brief over view of contract policies not the full blown contract and that i should have it however i never recieved anything in the first place or anything mailed to me for that matter, isn't this technically a way out of contract even though i started my contract over the phone.seems like a resonable conplain if they can't provide me with a contract as any contract i have ever had the "supplier" of services should have a copy of the "terms"

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i will keep you posted. i have asked several time that i can have a copy of my contact mailed to me or email or what not and all they have is a brief over view of contract policies not the full blown contract and that i should have it however i never recieved anything in the first place or anything mailed to me for that matter, isn't this technically a way out of contract even though i started my contract over the phone.seems like a resonable conplain if they can't provide me with a contract as any contract i have ever had the "supplier" of services should have a copy of the "terms"
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Before you go that route, try logging in to your Sprint account and see if your contract is in there in a digital format. I agree that they should be able to send you a copy of the complete contract, rather than an abbreviated one, but I think you'll be coming from a stronger position with the data speed issue.

You're on Sprint, whatever it is, it's normal. I'm serious, no bars where Verizon gets full 4G, normal.
With friends' phones I've never really gotten anything better than 100kbps down, especially away from a window.
So I may just argue for a contract release....
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jimmyco2008 said:
You're on Sprint, whatever it is, it's normal. I'm serious, no bars where Verizon gets full 4G, normal.
With friends' phones I've never really gotten anything better than 100kbps down, especially away from a window.
So I may just argue for a contract release....
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been trying to argue and they keep telling me to take it to a service center and have it "fixed" which isn't going to solve the problem they are going to factory reset my phone and say ok it works fine now. and back to square one.

And people wonder why they're the only major carrier with unlimited, unthrottled data. Any other way and they'd go bankrupt.
Throw in words like "lawsuit" if you can finally get your hands on the contract and prove that 100kbps down is basically illegal. You'll be set loose faster than...something fast lol
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jimmyco2008 said:
And people wonder why they're the only major carrier with unlimited, unthrottled data. Any other way and they'd go bankrupt.
Throw in words like "lawsuit" if you can finally get your hands on the contract and prove that 100kbps down is basically illegal. You'll be set loose faster than...something fast lol
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Their not the only unlimited, unthrottled data carrier. T-mobile has unlimited, unthrottled data as well. I get 6 to 9mpbs down on my GNEX on t-mobile. I know that isn't as fast and Verizon, or maybe not as fast as some people with T-Mobile, but day to day stuff it is fast enough.

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Their not the only unlimited, unthrottled data carrier. T-mobile has unlimited, unthrottled data as well. I get 6 to 9mpbs down on my GNEX on t-mobile. I know that isn't as fast and Verizon, or maybe not as fast as some people with T-Mobile, but day to day stuff it is fast enough.
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they were the one of the only "unlimited" for a long time until recently tmobile, but in my opinion i would much rather have a decent internet connection than have unlimited bull**** where i am waiting for years for one freaking web page to load it is a never ending battle with these guys i just want out, hell i have been with sprint for over 7 years and nothing will budge wtf!!

T-Mobile's only "unlimited" until you hit your cap, at which time they throw you into EDGE jail.

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T-Mobile's only "unlimited" until you hit your cap, at which time they throw you into EDGE jail.
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They just introduced the truly unlimited plan, a couple of months ago. I hit 20 gigs thanks to to YouTube in 720.
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Bfitz26 said:
thanks buddy i have called retention several times but look for a way out of contract seems like the best option my d.l speeds are consistantly below 100 kb/s however my uploads are about 400 so that part i am worried about and what do they say i am supposed to get on 3g? i will save some s.s. on computer once they are needed.
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Sounds about right for Sprint 3G speeds in a non-network vision upgraded area. Sprint does not guarantee speeds unfortunately. There is nothing wrong with your phone. Your best chance for faster speeds on Sprint will be if you are in an area that will be upgraded to Network Vision soon. I can consistently get over 1Mbps on 3G where I had less than 100kbps before...that is of course if I choose to turn off 4G.
Coverage; Where Your Device Will Work; Service Speeds
Our coverage maps are available at our authorized retail locations and on our website. The specific network coverage you get will depend on the radio transmissions your Device can pick up and Services you’ve chosen. Our coverage maps provide high level estimates of our coverage areas when using Services outdoors under optimal conditions. Coverage isn’t available everywhere. Coverage and Service speeds are not guaranteed. Coverage is subject to change without notice. Service speeds may depend on the Service purchased. Actual speeds will vary. Estimating wireless coverage, signal strength, and Service speed is not an exact science. There are gaps in coverage within our estimated coverage areas that-along with other factors both within and beyond our control (for example, network problems, network or internet congestion, software, signal strength, your Device, structures, buildings, weather, geography, topography, server speeds of the websites you access, actions of third parties, etc.)—may result in dropped and blocked connections, slower Service speeds, or otherwise impact the quality of Service. Services that rely on location information, such as E911 and GPS navigation, depend on your Device’s ability to acquire satellite signals (typically not available indoors) and network coverage. While your Device is receiving a software update, you may be unable to use your Device in any manner until the software update is complete.

They allegedly got rid of throttling, but I still see "5GB of full speed data" on their site.
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AT&T Note 4 thread

Thought this would be useful. They said they will be one of the first to release it. Hope they do with the edge...
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Thought this would be useful. They said they will be one of the first to release it. Hope they do with the edge...
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Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.

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Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.
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You can thank T-mobile for being a pricing leader and make other carriers have unlimited data. I get unlimited LTE data on T-mobile.

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link?

ohbreeeezy said:
link?
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Google never disappoints!
http://about.att.com/story/att_conf...oin_nations_most_reliable_4g_lte_network.html

ls3mach said:
Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.
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You should have said "I wouldn't call what Sprint offers - IN MY AREA- 4G or even data most of the time", because your comment isn't true everywhere.
I've been with Sprint for over 4 years and couldn't be happier! I have unlimited everything and only pay $45 per month! While I only saw Wimax once, I get LTE everywhere. I average 25mbps down at my house, which is 20 minutes outside of Atlanta

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You should have said "I wouldn't call what Sprint offers - IN MY AREA- 4G or even data most of the time", because your comment isn't true everywhere.
I've been with Sprint for over 4 years and couldn't be happier! I have unlimited everything and only pay $45 per month! While I only saw Wimax once, I get LTE everywhere. I average 25mbps down at my house, which is 20 minutes outside of Atlanta
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I've been with them 11 years. Way before "since the ground up". My Treo 650 got better speeds than by Note 3. Note 2. HTC Evo 4G LTE. EVI 3D. Evo Wimax. Evo. PPC6800. PPC6700. Palm Centreo. Treo 700. Moto Q. I'm sure there were others. I've been Sprint before SERO. I've got a screen grab on HoFo of me using 35+GB of data in a month back when they're 3G was mediocre. I couldn't max out my connection and for 3 months and use that now.
I think my doctorate thesis will be only poor people use Sprint.

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Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.
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I'm on a grandfathered unlimited data AT&T plan. I don't use a lot of data and I think AT&T throttles it if you exceed 5 GB/mo.

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Great idea IF you want to appear unintelligent, lol. Based on your thesis, everyone around Atlanta who chooses the best carrier is now poor. You could be absolutely correct, though, and it has nothing to do with the others having spotty coverage and terrible speeds.
I suppose my doctorate thesis will be, ls3mach is an average special ed student.
Finally, Sprint does NOT throttle their users. I see @mty msi said AT&T throttles, so thought I would chime in. I average 25-35GB each month and my download speeds are always between 25-30mbps.
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I have unlimited data on AT&T as well...its $30, however if you have a employer discount that comes off the $30 unlimited plan, or $50 5gb plan, not off the $30 3gb plan. I have a 24% discount on my bill which gives 24% off $60 700min family plan, and 24% off my $30 unlimited and 24% off my younger sisters $50 5gb plan.
I pay $22.80 for Unlimited data. I just reached 5gb my first time this past labor day at my family's cottage in northern Michigan, I have never had internet on my phone up north, but now I get a solid 4 Mbps download H+ speed up there, so naturally I streamed a few Netflix movies and hit my 5gb...they throttle me to .55 Mbps no matter where I am. At home(metro Detroit) I can sometimes pull 40mbps down 5mbps up on LTE, so to be throttled to .55 is ridiculous, I cannot watch YouTube videos, however I can still stream music without buffering. So I view my Unlimited data as a $22 5gb data plan...which isn't bad...but still...that amount of throttling is terrible and a cheap ploy to get us to change plans as everyone knows a faster 4g connection is cheaper to provide than slower 3g.
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Sold my current phone and will rock a dump phone on call forwarding to my work smartphone until AT&T launches the Note 4 then Verizon will be reduced to my tablet line which is for work. Suck it Verizon.
AT&T's page says " AT&T today confirmed that it will be among the first U.S. carriers to bring you the Galaxy Note 4" not the first, but among the first so hopefully they will be right on top for 10-10-14 which is the speculated date and the day before my billing cycle.

I will pass on the Note 4...Boot loader will be locked and no root in sight...Not buying a phone you can't root.

im gonna pass on the note 4 for att... but pickup a note 4 on tmobile.. lets hope they dont pull any games with the bootloader :good:

GalaxyNotesTx said:
I will pass on the Note 4...Boot loader will be locked and no root in sight...Not buying a phone you can't root.
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Just to add to this for those of you who are coming from older phones and may not be aware of AT&T's locked bootloader practice the last couple years.
The first batch of Galaxy S4's could be flashed to AOSP if you wanted.
But since then, all premium Galaxy (and maybe others) phones on AT&T have a locked bootloader. And to this day, nobody has broken it and that means you cannot flash a custom recovery or AOSP ROMs.
And, it took a LONG time before root was even available for the S5.
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I view my Unlimited data as a $22 5gb data plan...which isn't bad...but still...that amount of throttling is terrible
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Yeah, that sucks doesn't it.
TMO plans are unlimited in the sense that you pay for say, 5GB of high speed. Then they just throttle you afterwards.
SO the ATT "unlimited" is the same thing but with a fancier name.

CZ Eddie said:
Just to add to this for those of you who are coming from older phones and may not be aware of AT&T's locked bootloader practice the last couple years.
The first batch of Galaxy S4's could be flashed to AOSP if you wanted.
But since then, all premium Galaxy (and maybe others) phones on AT&T have a locked bootloader. And to this day, nobody has broken it and that means you cannot flash a custom recovery or AOSP ROMs.
And, it took a LONG time before root was even available for the S5.
Yeah, that sucks doesn't it.
TMO plans are unlimited in the sense that you pay for say, 5GB of high speed. Then they just throttle you afterwards.
SO the ATT "unlimited" is the same thing but with a fancier name.
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I used to tinker with my android phones in the past, flashing ROM's all the time, but since I use my phone more and more for work I starting going stock and not worrying as much about it. Perhaps if Dish buys T-Mobile they could become the ULTIMATE UnCarrier and kick all of them in the nutz.

iB4STiD said:
im gonna pass on the note 4 for att... but pickup a note 4 on tmobile.. lets hope they dont pull any games with the bootloader :good:
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I'm thinking of purchasing the TMO phone and using on ATT. I need the ATT coverage. But, I think I'll hold off until it is confirmed that it can be rooted.
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I used to tinker with my android phones in the past, flashing ROM's all the time, but since I use my phone more and more for work I starting going stock and not worrying as much about it. ...
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Same here. I have installed a lot of different ROMS, most of which typicall have very positive feedback. But, I find there is ALWAYS something, however minor it may be (or not) that does not work right. Always. Now, of course, some of that can likely be attributed to the various phones that are different due to manufacturing tolerances. But I'm tired of it.
But I do want root so I can do effective backups, and use some of the apps I have that require (or work better) if rooted.

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I'm thinking of purchasing the TMO phone and using on ATT. I need the ATT coverage. But, I think I'll hold off until it is confirmed that it can be rooted.
Same here. I have installed a lot of different ROMS, most of which typicall have very positive feedback. But, I find there is ALWAYS something, however minor it may be (or not) that does not work right. Always. Now, of course, some of that can likely be attributed to the various phones that are different due to manufacturing tolerances. But I'm tired of it.
But I do want root so I can do effective backups, and use some of the apps I have that require (or work better) if rooted.
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I did enjoy the custom ROM's as you mentioned and today for me its really about rooting and getting the features back that were stolen by the carriers. Not sure if that will every happen or not, that said I am waiting for the Note 4 before casting any final decisions.

I just wish Samsung would start holding their press events closer to their release dates. I hate watching the Crapple products get all the press because they get to market faster. I hope AT&T is first (one of the first) to release again.

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I did enjoy the custom ROM's as you mentioned and today for me its really about rooting and getting the features back that were stolen by the carriers. Not sure if that will every happen or not, that said I am waiting for the Note 4 before casting any final decisions.
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Same here. I am on T-Mobile, and if it looks like it will be difficult to root, I may hold off till the Nexus X.

Samscum + ATT = :crying:
No root, locked bootloader, and tons of bullcrap bloatware.
What happened to the good old days of the Galaxy Note 2 on ATT, that thing had awesome development and ROM's the first month of release.