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Notice the super sluggish network speed?

Is this Sprint? The last few days everything is so slow. Internet, market just takes eons to load everything.

sprints 3g is horrid. theres a lot about sprint that worries me at the moment. the halting of wimax roll outs, clear is broke, sprint is virtually broke, the chance that sprint goes lte and ceases to deploy wimax to areas that they think dont need it...like my area. what happens to all the evo customers? the epic customers? the shift customers? if they unveil a nexus 4g at ctia, will it be lte or wimax?? i have to drive a long ways to get a poor wimax sig.
thankfully im not under contract.
in my opinion every sprint customer has a lot to contemplate if they dont like being taken advantage of by corporations. personally, i do not and i am but one of thousands joining the class action lawsuit over this $10 'premium data charge'. usually i wouldnt waste my time but i cant watch media on my evo the way it was meant to be viewed, in HQ. sprint refuses to acknowledge that their network is incapable. /EndMinorRant

I feel your pain. Watching videos even on youtube takes a long while to buffer.
In my area a speedtest on 3g (where I know 4g is available but MIUI 4g isnt working) i got .14mbps download .06mbps upload

tailsthecat3 said:
sprints 3g is horrid. theres a lot about sprint that worries me at the moment. the halting of wimax roll outs, clear is broke, sprint is virtually broke, the chance that sprint goes lte and ceases to deploy wimax to areas that they think dont need it...like my area. what happens to all the evo customers? the epic customers? the shift customers? if they unveil a nexus 4g at ctia, will it be lte or wimax?? i have to drive a long ways to get a poor wimax sig.
thankfully im not under contract.
in my opinion every sprint customer has a lot to contemplate if they dont like being taken advantage of by corporations. personally, i do not and i am but one of thousands joining the class action lawsuit over this $10 'premium data charge'. usually i wouldnt waste my time but i cant watch media on my evo the way it was meant to be viewed, in HQ. sprint refuses to acknowledge that their network is incapable. /EndMinorRant
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tlxxxsracer said:
I feel your pain. Watching videos even on youtube takes a long while to buffer.
In my area a speedtest on 3g (where I know 4g is available but MIUI 4g isnt working) i got .14mbps download .06mbps upload
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Yea and on my status bar it says 1x where it usually says 3g in the stock rom. The stock rom lies? This is all to unfair. They say its 3g but its not, that's false advertising. Then they slap that 10 bucks extra for 4g when we don't even have 3g speeds. ABSURD!
Tailsthecat3, I'd like to join this lawsuit, how can I?

myself and everyone i know using sprint has called to complain.
my advice is to call sprint and complain about the slow speeds. file reports with the better business bureau.
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you guys might want to check this out...
I personally called the attorney and I think everyone without 4g service should do the same.
"Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor, Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor, is investigating claims that these charges may be improper.
If you purchased a Sprint EVO 4G or EPIC 4G cellphone, we would like to hear from you so we can investigate whether you incurred this charge, how many customers have been affected, and whether there may be valid legal claims for a refund. Please contact us by responding to this email or by calling us directly at (646) 504-7781.
About Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor
Scott A. Bursor, has represented plaintiffs in class action lawsuits against Sprint and other wireless carriers since 2002. Many of these cases are discussed in detail at Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor.
Contact:
Scott A. Bursor
Email: [email protected]
Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor "
courtesy of PhyscoAssassinx over at ppcgeeks
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i contacted these folk via phone and i got a call back within a couple hours. i advise everyone to do the same.

I seriously doubt Sprint's coming out with LTE smartphones this summer. They've got to deploy their network evolution in order to do that, since it's what's going to allow sprint the flexibility to deploy multiple technologies interchangeably on the same towers. And they'd need to use their own bandwidth (probably in the 1.9 GHz range) to do so, since their 2.5 GHz is invested in clear. The 1.9 GHz spectrum is currently used for CDMA, but network evolution will allow them to move some of that onto the 800-900 MHz that will be vacated by iDEN, as well as make room on 1.9 with more efficient versions of CDMA 1x for voice. until those things start to happen, LTE is totally hypothetical.
and regarding the LTE rollout on Clear, it looks like Sprint and Clear are close to kissing and making up on the issue of wholesale data pricing for smartphones (I saw an article detailing that last week, I believe in the wall Street journal, but maybe elsewhere). That's been the major sticking point between Sprint and Clear, and should pave the way for Sprint to pump some cash into clear and get the ball rolling on more WiMax.
As for Sprint being "nearly broke", that doesn't even warrant a response. If you're really concerned about it, check out the actual numbers from their 2010 10k filing: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/110224/s10-k.html there's nothing that indicates that Sprint is "nearly broke"

I'm outside of Philly and have no problems. My 3g is fast and 4g flies.
I'm getting 1000mbps download on 3g and 7/8mbps 4g
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hercules rockefeller said:
I seriously doubt Sprint's coming out with LTE smartphones this summer. They've got to deploy their network evolution in order to do that, since it's what's going to allow sprint the flexibility to deploy multiple technologies interchangeably on the same towers. And they'd need to use their own bandwidth (probably in the 1.9 GHz range) to do so, since their 2.5 GHz is invested in clear. The 1.9 GHz spectrum is currently used for CDMA, but network evolution will allow them to move some of that onto the 800-900 MHz that will be vacated by iDEN, as well as make room on 1.9 with more efficient versions of CDMA 1x for voice. until those things start to happen, LTE is totally hypothetical.
and regarding the LTE rollout on Clear, it looks like Sprint and Clear are close to kissing and making up on the issue of wholesale data pricing for smartphones (I saw an article detailing that last week, I believe in the wall Street journal, but maybe elsewhere). That's been the major sticking point between Sprint and Clear, and should pave the way for Sprint to pump some cash into clear and get the ball rolling on more WiMax.
As for Sprint being "nearly broke", that doesn't even warrant a response. If you're really concerned about it, check out the actual numbers from their 2010 10k filing: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/110224/s10-k.html there's nothing that indicates that Sprint is "nearly broke"
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excellent info.
i typed that they are virtually broke. not nearly broke. and if the vast subscription losses in the past are anything to go by, sprint is virtually broke(the gains are far less than the losses suffered). no they wont tell you that they have no money but when you see the losses are greater than the gains, in business, youre losing. if you see all the techs stationary, garaged vehicles, not working on or installing technology to roll out more wimax, that tells me that they cant pay, in layman's terms, the workers to work or build wimax stations.
not making this into a thing, it just worries me that wimax isnt gonna be rolled out to heavily populated areas that arent major cities. 23 miles south of boston is massachusetts' south shore. it is an extremely heavily populated area with much commerce...yet, unfortunately there is no wimax to be found.

in southern oregon, testing to a server is kansas
521kbps download
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You should definately look at that site if you think sprint is broke. All the dumb people attacking sprint with a class action law suite only hurt sprints ability to push 4G to you. Because of all the complainers about the $10 add on sprint is now charging it to all smart phone customers (to help offset the cost of the stupid lawsuit they have to deal with, and also to help make the network faster for all you complainers). Now everyone has to pay the $10 for because of the cry babies. Everyone wants things right now, realize if you live in the boondocks it takes longer to get what the city does. If you don't like your slow speeds living in the woods then move, or stop complaining and pay the $10 so your speeds can eventually get better. Or you can always be the prick that is *****ing and moaning when I walk into a store to get my phone fixed because I was the dumbass that bricked it trying to mod this sweet phone.
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You should definately look at that site if you think sprint is broke. All the dumb people attacking sprint with a class action law suite only hurt sprints ability to push 4G to you. Because of all the complainers about the $10 add on sprint is now charging it to all smart phone customers (to help offset the cost of the stupid lawsuit they have to deal with, and also to help make the network faster for all you complainers). Now everyone has to pay the $10 for because of the cry babies. Everyone wants things right now, realize if you live in the boondocks it takes longer to get what the city does. If you don't like your slow speeds living in the woods then move, or stop complaining and pay the $10 so your speeds can eventually get better. Or you can always be the prick that is *****ing and moaning when I walk into a store to get my phone fixed because I was the dumbass that bricked it trying to mod this sweet phone.
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nice job

Thank you
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tailsthecat3 said:
excellent info.
i typed that they are virtually broke. not nearly broke. and if the vast subscription losses in the past are anything to go by, sprint is virtually broke(the gains are far less than the losses suffered). no they wont tell you that they have no money but when you see the losses are greater than the gains, in business, youre losing. if you see all the techs stationary, garaged vehicles, not working on or installing technology to roll out more wimax, that tells me that they cant pay, in layman's terms, the workers to work or build wimax stations.
not making this into a thing, it just worries me that wimax isnt gonna be rolled out to heavily populated areas that arent major cities. 23 miles south of boston is massachusetts' south shore. it is an extremely heavily populated area with much commerce...yet, unfortunately there is no wimax to be found.
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There's a difference between Sprint being broke or not, and the state of the WiMax rollout. Sprint doesn't operate or build the WiMax network, that's Clear. You'll notice I don't argue with your statement that clear is virtually broke (I don't necessarily agree either, but I feel the statement is accurate enough that there's no point splitting hairs). It's no secret that Clear needs immediate cash to fund the WiMax rollout - that's a problem that's plagued every independent wireless start up that's ever tried to roll out a nationwide network. Companies like Verizon or AT&T can use the cash flow that comes from all their other businesses to either directly fund or leverage their network rollouts. Stuff like local phone service or plain old long distance may not have a huge profit margin, and it's certainly isn't as exciting as 4G wireless, but it's great to have on hand when you're making a multi-billion dollar investment that's expected to take years to pay for itself.
Now, the question is: Where is Clear going to get that cash? the most likely source is Sprint, since Sprint owns 54% of Clear to begin with, and has the greatest vested interest in Clear's WiMax rollout. Is Sprint "virtually" or "nearly" broke? I'd be hard pressed to use either word, given that they're embarking on a 4-6 Billion dollar project (Network Evolution). Make no mistake, Sprint's trucks aren't sitting in a garage. Clear's may be, but that's all pending further investment from Sprint.
In fact, I'll go a bit further and venture into purely speculative areas; I say Sprint would ideally like to buy out Clear altogether. I think it was a mistake to divest Sprint's 2.5 GHz bandwidth to begin with, one that was only nessecary due to the Gary Forsee's gross mismanagement of the company in the 2-3 years following the Sprint/Nextel merger. had the company been in better hands then, they could have built out 4G themselves and none of this would have been the issue. If Sprint can get the cash together, I'm sure they'd be in a stronger position owning WiMax outright (and network evolution would make it much, much simpler to integrate clear's network into it's own).

My SpeedTest numbers are consistently at about 300 kbps during peak hours and about 1 mbps during none peak hours.
I am in the hinterland so I do not have any idea what 4G is like.

My 3G has been slow in san francisco =[

SlickJamesBtch said:
You should definately look at that site if you think sprint is broke. All the dumb people attacking sprint with a class action law suite only hurt sprints ability to push 4G to you. Because of all the complainers about the $10 add on sprint is now charging it to all smart phone customers (to help offset the cost of the stupid lawsuit they have to deal with, and also to help make the network faster for all you complainers). Now everyone has to pay the $10 for because of the cry babies. Everyone wants things right now, realize if you live in the boondocks it takes longer to get what the city does. If you don't like your slow speeds living in the woods then move, or stop complaining and pay the $10 so your speeds can eventually get better. Or you can always be the prick that is *****ing and moaning when I walk into a store to get my phone fixed because I was the dumbass that bricked it trying to mod this sweet phone.
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I just got this phone. The stock rom said 3g on the stays bar but it wasn't. I never have bricked a phone, I find it quite hard to do so lol so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong put didn't sprint charge that 10 bones fro evo customers from the start? Way before people started complaining? Its nonsense. There is no way it makes any sense to charge 10 bucks for 4g when you don't even get 3g speeds. Its the definition of unfair. They could simply only charge 10 bucks to areas that get 4g. And when an area gets 4g, than start charging those customers in that area. Its completely logical...in my opinion. And about the woods...seriously the all the assuming is moronic(in my opinion) I live in Oregon Ohio and most of the time I'm in downtown Toledo. No woods just a very urban area. Last but not least, if I'm getting charged 10 bucks for 4g when I don't even get 2g speeds, then I'LLL ***** ALL I WANT. I deserve to. Disagree? That's literally wasting my hard earn money I work for. Right?
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Sprint never charged $10 for 4G on the EVO, not since day one. The $10 fee was for both 3G and 4G. the reasoning was, a phone like the evo is going to get more use on either network, and the end user is going to get more value out of it. something like navigation, which works fine on 3G, is more valuable to you on a 4.3" screen becuase you can see it while you're driving. And all the various widgets and apps that use data in the background run better on a 1GHz processor.
but whether you buy that or not, the reason why Sprint charged the $10 fee for the EVO and EPIC then is the same reason why they charge it to all smartphones now (and really, the reason why anybody charges anyone else anything): because they CAN. If nobody wanted to pay the fee, and the EVO bombed, they'd have dropped it like a hot potato. But obviously enough people thought that overall value was good enough to pay for it, so they didn't. It's the same reason why Verizon's going to tiered data pricing this summer; most people won't mind it. If they start flocking to sprint for unlimited data, you can bet Verizon will raise their prices $10 and offer unlimited data.
As for *****ing about network speeds though, don't let me stop you there. whether you pay $10 extra or not it's your right as a consumer to ***** and moan. Personally I'm getting 2Mbps down on 3g every morning, but by 9 am or so it drops to less than 500Kbps, which is a pain in the neck IMO.

hercules rockefeller said:
Sprint never charged $10 for 4G on the EVO, not since day one. The $10 fee was for both 3G and 4G. the reasoning was, a phone like the evo is going to get more use on either network, and the end user is going to get more value out of it. something like navigation, which works fine on 3G, is more valuable to you on a 4.3" screen becuase you can see it while you're driving. And all the various widgets and apps that use data in the background run better on a 1GHz processor.
but whether you buy that or not, the reason why Sprint charged the $10 fee for the EVO and EPIC then is the same reason why they charge it to all smartphones now (and really, the reason why anybody charges anyone else anything): because they CAN. If nobody wanted to pay the fee, and the EVO bombed, they'd have dropped it like a hot potato. But obviously enough people thought that overall value was good enough to pay for it, so they didn't. It's the same reason why Verizon's going to tiered data pricing this summer; most people won't mind it. If they start flocking to sprint for unlimited data, you can bet Verizon will raise their prices $10 and offer unlimited data.
As for *****ing about network speeds though, don't let me stop you there. whether you pay $10 extra or not it's your right as a consumer to ***** and moan. Personally I'm getting 2Mbps down on 3g every morning, but by 9 am or so it drops to less than 500Kbps, which is a pain in the neck IMO.
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for the convenience of a 4.3" screen and 1GHz processor, you're buying an expensive phone with those specs (subsidized by your contract). for your 5GB/unlimited data you're paying a monthly data plan fee. the $10 premium data fee makes no sense in light of those facts. now it's for all smart phones (even non-4g), and sprint still isnt calling it what it is: an increase in data plan pricing. they just rolled it out for the evo to begin with because sprint customers were dying for a great android/4g phone and they could slip it in there relatively unnoticed.
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hercules rockefeller said:
Sprint never charged $10 for 4G on the EVO, not since day one. The $10 fee was for both 3G and 4G. the reasoning was, a phone like the evo is going to get more use on either network, and the end user is going to get more value out of it. something like navigation, which works fine on 3G, is more valuable to you on a 4.3" screen becuase you can see it while you're driving. And all the various widgets and apps that use data in the background run better on a 1GHz processor.
but whether you buy that or not, the reason why Sprint charged the $10 fee for the EVO and EPIC then is the same reason why they charge it to all smartphones now (and really, the reason why anybody charges anyone else anything): because they CAN. If nobody wanted to pay the fee, and the EVO bombed, they'd have dropped it like a hot potato. But obviously enough people thought that overall value was good enough to pay for it, so they didn't. It's the same reason why Verizon's going to tiered data pricing this summer; most people won't mind it. If they start flocking to sprint for unlimited data, you can bet Verizon will raise their prices $10 and offer unlimited data.
As for *****ing about network speeds though, don't let me stop you there. whether you pay $10 extra or not it's your right as a consumer to ***** and moan. Personally I'm getting 2Mbps down on 3g every morning, but by 9 am or so it drops to less than 500Kbps, which is a pain in the neck IMO.
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For sure. Valid point. I'm just really bummed now because i just got this phone. I previously had the hero and I notice no difference with performance. Besides angry birds not being choppy... I wanted a better browsing experience and better video experience. I haven't even got to watch an HD video yet, because they wont load. It takes soooo long to download 1 thing at the market. Its bizarre. Plus the 720 HD recording ..I haven't seen that yet.
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augoza said:
I just got this phone. The stock rom said 3g on the stays bar but it wasn't. I never have bricked a phone, I find it quite hard to do so lol so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong put didn't sprint charge that 10 bones fro evo customers from the start? Way before people started complaining? Its nonsense. There is no way it makes any sense to charge 10 bucks for 4g when you don't even get 3g speeds. Its the definition of unfair. They could simply only charge 10 bucks to areas that get 4g. And when an area gets 4g, than start charging those customers in that area. Its completely logical...in my opinion. And about the woods...seriously the all the assuming is moronic(in my opinion) I live in Oregon Ohio and most of the time I'm in downtown Toledo. No woods just a very urban area. Last but not least, if I'm getting charged 10 bucks for 4g when I don't even get 2g speeds, then I'LLL ***** ALL I WANT. I deserve to. Disagree? That's literally wasting my hard earn money I work for. Right?
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ive had a few evo's. on my second or third, in epst, my evdo mode was set to CDMA only. out of the box! needless to say, that particular device was returned because of other issues but i found that odd. figured id mention it because like you stated, my display read 3G but it was running 1X.

Sprint Confirms Unlimited Data Is Here to Stay!!

Quote from engadget post speaking about information released by Sprints CTO
"Sprint may have plenty of changes in store for its upcoming "strategy update," but it looks like one crucial policy will remain in place -- unlimited data plans. Speaking to reporters at Mobilize in San Francisco yesterday, company CTO Stephen Bye confirmed that even though competitors like Verizon and AT&T are phasing out their unlimited plans, Sprint remains committed to providing its customers with infinite data. Doing so won't come without costs, since, as Bye explained, not all unlimited subscribers eat up the same amount of data. But the exec pointed out that these efforts are counterbalanced by the relative simplicity of managing unlimited schemes, and don't seem quite as prohibitive when compared with the hidden customer support costs involved with more complex, tiered plans. Yet despite all this optimism, Sprint seems fully aware that some major expenses are on the horizon, especially with a revamped 4G LTE network in the pipeline and, perhaps, with the iPhone 5 on the way. "Is there pressure? Yeah," Bye acknowledged. "There's a challenge for all engineers to work on how we get the cost structure down." Bye went on to reiterate, however, that although a new data network may attract new investors, it's ultimately Sprint's unique data plans that will keep its customer base intact."
Source:Engadget http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/sprints-unlimited-data-plans-arent-going-anywhere-cto-confirm/
Engadgets Source: Cnet http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20...irms-it-will-stick-with-unlimited-data-plans/

Queue the "yeah, for now" and other sarcastic comments and other general complaining not related to this topic.

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Ive grown used to it

Yeah, for now.
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It can only be unlimited for so long before they throttle and then ultimately do data caps. More users are added on a daily basis and it seems they have not gotten a hold of expanding the infrastructure for phone basic needs like 3g. Hell wimax 4g stopped expanding for long while now.
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Continuing to have the higher ups reiterate this is encouraging..
-J

For now unfortunately
Samsung Galaxy S Dos indeed

HaiKaiDo said:
Ive grown used to it
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Pfffft, every single response except one.

Sprint will continue to offer Unlimited data to your smart phone until Sprint's service has very compelling advantages which would make them very competitive with the other 2 big(ger) players....and I don't see that happening any time soon...and if it does, well, then they will at least be offering an attractive service with value on par with the other carriers.
Sprint isn't stupid.
Right now the only thing keeping most of us (and not just us phone geeks) with Sprint is their low prices and unlimited data. Their price advantage is quickly fading and every perk they've offered has been removed. This is the one thing differentiating them from AT&T and Verizon and they know it. Their (surprisingly fantastic) line up of smartphones is not enough to keep people from making a mass exodus to two other carriers.
So, to sum it up, Sprint will have "Unlimited Data" until their network and/or plan pricing can compete (or out-compete) with the 2 big boys.
If Sprint happens to stop offering unlimited data without these compelling features and/or advantages I would consider that the death throes of the company...as anyone with a lick of common sense would know that to be complete and total corporate suicide at this stage of the game.
You hear that Sprint? Send this message up the flag pole. It's the cold hard truth for both YOU and US. *I* already know when I'm going to jump ship, and it'll be long before the emergency rafts are full...most of XDA (who are Sprint subscribers) like will do the same. Choose wisely.

Its funny that you people all think that companies like ATT and tMobile and Verizon actually switched to tiered data plans because their networks couldnt handle the traffic. They switched because theyre greedy bastards trying to squeeze every last bit of money out of their clients. Its a sad day when corporate BS is taken at face value by the General Pubic. Needless to say, I think sprint data plans are here to stay, and if they WERE changed it wouldnt be because sprints network couldnt handle it. It would be for monetary gain only, just like the others. You really think ATT's network cant handle more than 3 gigs a month per customer? Lol k

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Its funny that you people all think that companies like ATT and tMobile and Verizon actually switched to tiered data plans because their networks couldnt handle the traffic. They switched because theyre greedy bastards trying to squeeze every last bit of money out of their clients. Its a sad day when corporate BS is taken at face value by the General Pubic. Needless to say, I think sprint data plans are here to stay, and if they WERE changed it wouldnt be because sprints network couldnt handle it. It would be for monetary gain only, just like the others. You really think ATT's network cant handle more than 3 gigs a month per customer? Lol k
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I do agree with corporation being ran by greed. I preach this on a daily basis. But, the fact is there is limited spectrum space out there. That's the reason for the whole digital receiver dilemma a few years ago to open more spectrum space for other usage. You always have to account for everything before you can draw a conclusion.

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You really think ATT's network cant handle more than 3 gigs a month per customer? Lol k
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The best part about this is the average smartphone user doesn't even use that much data a month.
"3 GB / month" is probably top 7% of users.

Sprint reportedly cancelling......

Ahhhhh damn here we go again.....LOL
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/sprint-cancelling-early-upgrades/
"Like dominoes, Sprint's consumer-friendly policies continue to fall one at a time. Citing "high costs," the Now Network will begin discontinuing its practice of allowing customers to upgrade their phone 10-14 days prior to the official date of eligibility" - They aint lying

Not too bad, but still disappointing.
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Eh, no big deal to me. But it sucks for those that take advantage of it. Thanks for sharing.

Yea its not earth shattering but its just another broken link in the chain of bad decisions by Sprint lately. The sad part is you sit back and go what next...

In my point of veiw all sprint has done the last year is raise cost for us! We customers who wanted 4g and bought the evo 4g most never seen or connected to 4g. 3G speeds are beyond terrible and downright bog to 1X kind of speed during busy hours. At this point the cost between Sprint and verizon service is closing more and more as we speak. So I can expect many more customers to think, Why not go to a service with great data and call connectivity. Sprint really had a good think going with cost effective plans, but since have taken away many things like discounts on all lines, premier customers, ect ect. I know they are still cheaper but for how long and when will we see good data speeds like other companies? We are dead last in that!

How on earth is two weeks early costly?

Personally my biggest regret is getting my S2...not because I don't like the phone, but Sprint's data service is just godawfully slow. I bet I use less than 50M a month. The second I get home I go to WiFi and when I'm out and about I just don't bother as the 3G is a joke.
Unless Sprint gets LTE here in Iowa by mid 2013, I'll pay the early termination fee for our lines and go to Verizon. When I'm a meeting a work I'll have my coworker look stuff up on his Galaxy Nexus...with the 8-12 MB download speeds from Verizon.
Life could certainly be worse, but my data speeds have nowhere to go but up.

I don't see this as a big deal whatsoever. The last line of the memo is the most important Imo. Everyone is eligible for upgrade the 1st of the month their contract is up. What more can you ask for?
As far as sprint saving money, not sure how really. I mean by allowing an early upgrade they are guaranteeing 22 months of payment out of you. Most of us would use that 2 weeks to get a new phone on launch, right? What happens when instead of getting a launch phone with them early, another carrier has a new phone being released when your contract is up? I'm blabbing, but what I'm saying is if they let me upgrade a little early I would be more likely to stay with that provider. But if I wait then I'm suddenly out of contract, which would make me shop around carriers.
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I see potential loss here, because they are basically giving sprint customers a reason to shop around while off contract instead of always keeping us in contract by allowing early upgrades.
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ib4 'would this allow me to get out w/o paying ETF', 'is this a breach of contract?', etc

Figures... Admittedly the 3g speeds are ridiculously slow... The only thing keeping me with sprint is the unlimited data... When that goes out the window so do I...
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Another nickel in the nickel-and-diming Sprint is doing causing customer losses.

Could be worse, verizon is removing all grandfathered plans with unlimited data:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/verizon-cfo-says-grandfathered-unlimited-plans-on-the-way-out/

daryelv said:
Another nickel in the nickel-and-diming Sprint is doing causing customer losses.
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Exactly, if you treat this as a separate event then its not a big deal but if you start to add up all that has happened in the past year and since the Iphone came aboard and it may upset you especially if you took 2 minutes to have this page refresh due to network restraints....

brooksyx said:
Could be worse, verizon is removing all grandfathered plans with unlimited data:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/verizon-cfo-says-grandfathered-unlimited-plans-on-the-way-out/
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Was just going to post this.
All that monthly cost just to get bent over lololol
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mattykinsx said:
Was just going to post this.
All that monthly cost just to get bent over lololol
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Yeah, I do wish I had verizon for their great coverage, thats what I had before my parents kicked me off of their plan.
But hey I don't mind my virgin mobile: 1200min/unlimited text/unlimited data for $40 a month. I am pretty happy with that. Even have unlimited wimax 4g
I will probably switch over to sprint in a year or two though when I can afford it better.

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Personally my biggest regret is getting my S2...not because I don't like the phone, but Sprint's data service is just godawfully slow. I bet I use less than 50M a month. The second I get home I go to WiFi and when I'm out and about I just don't bother as the 3G is a joke.
Unless Sprint gets LTE here in Iowa by mid 2013, I'll pay the early termination fee for our lines and go to Verizon. When I'm a meeting a work I'll have my coworker look stuff up on his Galaxy Nexus...with the 8-12 MB download speeds from Verizon.
Life could certainly be worse, but my data speeds have nowhere to go but up.
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i live in Iowa as well. all my friends have Verizon as well. they do have nice service but they can only use 2gb a month or they pay out the ass. i get around 1mb down most days and i use about 10-16gb of data per month. my bill has never gone up and no one at sprint cares.
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I think this is a good move. You guys that are complaining about it need to see what we see in the stores. This 14 day early deal is confusing to customers and abused by third party stores. The cost savings are in reduced overrides that are done when customers come in confused. Id rather have a consistent, fair policy than one that can be used to work the system by some and not taken advantage of by others. The upgrade now promo is a perfect example of a policy change that makes sense. Customers in March could pay to reset their upgrade regardless of the plan they were on. Instead of yearly upgrades for customers on expensive plans, now anyone could get it with a little extra cash if they need it.
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darksideauto said:
i live in Iowa as well. all my friends have Verizon as well. they do have nice service but they can only use 2gb a month or they pay out the ass. i get around 1mb down most days and i use about 10-16gb of data per month. my bill has never gone up and no one at sprint cares.
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Don't let my girlfriend see your posts. She has a Verizon Gnex but the 4g is nearly useless. We live an hour away from the Quad Cities and Verizon's 4g only covers the core of that area.
At least with Sprint, there's no teasing just out of range prospect of 4g!

HenryDCase said:
Don't let my girlfriend see your posts. She has a Verizon Gnex but the 4g is nearly useless. We live an hour away from the Quad Cities and Verizon's 4g only covers the core of that area.
At least with Sprint, there's no teasing just out of range prospect of 4g!
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She should be getting LTE by end of this year, though...with Sprint...I may be retired before it happens.

Ascertion said:
How on earth is two weeks early costly?
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cause if you do it everytime you can over 54 years you just got a free phone.

[Q] After your contract is up...will you be staying on Sprint??

My Contract is up in January. And I don't believe i'm staying with Sprint. I pay only $82 with my employee discount and I like the whole "Unlimited" but I feel as if with the whole slow data and never getting a chance to experience "4G", on my Epic 4G, I may change to T-Mobile or its MVNO "Simple Mobile"
What about you guys?
Edit: I believe I posted this in the wrong section if it fits in the General Discussion threads can someone move it their or if it's fine here then ok lol. Just don't want people flaming me

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My Contract is up in January. And I don't believe i'm staying with Sprint. I pay only $82 with my employee discount and I like the whole "Unlimited" but I feel as if with the whole slow data and never getting a chance to experience "4G", on my Epic 4G, I may change to T-Mobile or its MVNO "Simple Mobile"
What about you guys?
Edit: I believe I posted this in the wrong section if it fits in the General Discussion threads can someone move it their or if it's fine here then ok lol. Just don't want people flaming me
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Its a question but at the same time its more of a discussion to talk about so I think its fine here, but honestly if I change cariers id be paying 200 +, and right now I'm at 196 for 3 lines, with tep for every line, and 1400 shared mins.
And I don't care for 4g I don't rely on it. If I need **** done that fast I have it done before I'm on the road. And wherever I go 3g doesn't take so long so I'm good and if it is so what I'm saving money
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Its a question but at the same time its more of a discussion to talk about so I think its fine here, but honestly if I change cariers id be paying 200 +, and right now I'm at 196 for 3 lines, with tep for every line, and 1400 shared mins.
And I don't care for 4g I don't rely on it. If I need **** done that fast I have it done before I'm on the road. And wherever I go 3g doesn't take so long so I'm good and if it is so what I'm saving money
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Yeah I see in your situation staying seems the good option and I don't need 4G either but I wish I could personally see how fast it is compared to 3G you know. And where I live I don't get that great signal nor speeds. I always feel like im on edge with my usual 200kbps down lol

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the whole slow data
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Have you considered getting the Sprint AIRAVE ? You could get it for free if you're speeds are terrible (as wth the rest of us) http://now.sprint.com/airave/?id16=airave

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Have you considered getting the Sprint AIRAVE ? You could get it for free if you're speeds are terrible (as wth the rest of us) http://now.sprint.com/airave/?id16=airave
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Had no idea they even had that. But if my data outside around my area sucks, would this change anything really?

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Had no idea they even had that. But if my data outside around my area sucks, would this change anything really?
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Nope only works in your house lol I have one its works through out my entire house and my house is pretty big. I would recommend it if your signal sucks at home.
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CrfEpic4g said:
Nope only works in your house lol I have one its works through out my entire house and my house is pretty big. I would recommend it if your signal sucks at home.
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Oh neh my signal inside is actually the same outside as well, except in the basement of course. I honestly can say i've probably seen my Epic hit 1.5mbps down less than 10 times since 5months ago when I downloaded the speedtest app. It's a fun app

Honestly by the time that Jan rolls around i'm sure youll have a different opionion of Sprint.
I'm one of the biggest Sprint haters there are (i've had them since my original SERO plan though, but i also keep my T-Mobile line as well - both have their ups and downs)
to be honest, Sprint has been getting a lot better lately (it seems like they just flipped something here in Phoenix about two weeks ago), as i went from .2 down to 1.2Mbps down pretty much everywhere i go, and the whole WiMax "4G" thing, just get an LTE phone and you'll get way better "4G" than the epic could ever handle anyway.
Some people are randomly reporting 4G LTE on their Evo LTE phones and i've seen results as high as 42Mbps posted around, so that's what i'd be looking forward too if i were you

yes

I love sprint. verizon may be faster, but sprint is way cheaper unless you get some kind of discount with verizon. I don't need blazing fast speeds, my wifi takes care of that!

I was THIS close to ditching Sprint. Even called and put in a request to cancel, opened service with T-Mobile, bought an HTC One S... but T-Mobile's coverage just wasn't good enough. Undid everything (the Sprint cancellation hadn't gone through yet), returned the One S, canceled T-Mobile.
I am out of contract but my wife is still under contract until September. At that point we will move on to another carrier. The thing about Sprint is despite their offering more for the same cost as the other carriers, they also don't have any option of paying less to get less-inclusive service. Say I want to save money by ditching the texting plan and using Google Voice instead, or maybe I don't need 1500 minutes and I'd rather save some dosh by reducing that number. Those are options on the other carriers but not Sprint.
Not that Sprint is a bad price for what you get, but you can save $20-$50/mo on the other carriers. That combined with the slow data has me wanting to move elsewhere. Wish T-Mobile had worked out because they're by far the cheapest, but now it's looking like Verizon. Only problem with them is their love of locked down Motorola phones. But their LTE coverage is awesome, they have LTE at my parents' house (where I get 1 bar on Sprint and no coverage at all on T-Mobile).

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I was THIS close to ditching Sprint. Even called and put in a request to cancel, opened service with T-Mobile, bought an HTC One S... but T-Mobile's coverage just wasn't good enough. Undid everything (the Sprint cancellation hadn't gone through yet), returned the One S, canceled T-Mobile.
I am out of contract but my wife is still under contract until September. At that point we will move on to another carrier. The thing about Sprint is despite their offering more for the same cost as the other carriers, they also don't have any option of paying less to get less-inclusive service. Say I want to save money by ditching the texting plan and using Google Voice instead, or maybe I don't need 1500 minutes and I'd rather save some dosh by reducing that number. Those are options on the other carriers but not Sprint.
Not that Sprint is a bad price for what you get, but you can save $20-$50/mo on the other carriers. That combined with the slow data has me wanting to move elsewhere. Wish T-Mobile had worked out because they're by far the cheapest, but now it's looking like Verizon. Only problem with them is their love of locked down Motorola phones. But their LTE coverage is awesome, they have LTE at my parents' house (where I get 1 bar on Sprint and no coverage at all on T-Mobile).
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Your not very great at making decisions before you pursue them do you?
I mean you just dont go and sign up with another carrier and buying a phone without knowing how their service is, etc... and you hadn't even completed the cancelation process with sprint.
And you too can lower your plan by shared minutes and other things...
Dude you have the choice of 700,1400, or 2.... or unlimited shared minutes.
And at my grandparents place its the same 1 bar but who cares it still works decent and uh did we forget about WiFi? haha.
Coverage isn't the ultimate ground breaking deal factor into choosing a carrier, yes its a factor but if its decent its fine by most people's standard it is.
And No matter who i go to besides Sprint my bill with 3 lines and everything unlimited except shared minutes is above 200+ and i have a 20%+ discount depending on the carrier.

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Your not very great at making decisions before you pursue them do you?
I mean you just dont go and sign up with another carrier and buying a phone without knowing how their service is, etc... and you hadn't even completed the cancelation process with sprint.
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I was trying it out. My contract is up (my wife's isn't) so I figured why not give T-Mobile a shot. If I like them I'll leave Sprint. If not, that's why there's a 14-day grace period. Loved the phone of course. The coverage just wasn't quite there. I specifically chose this past weekend because I was traveling a lot and I wanted to see how my service was in various places.
I knew from the outset that I would be roaming with T-Mobile most of the time. They don't have native coverage in central and eastern Wisconsin. I can deal with it, but the thing is once my wife's contract is up with Sprint she's going to hop on whatever provider I have, and she didn't want to be stuck on T-Mobile. So that's why I got rid of it.
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And you too can lower your plan by shared minutes and other things...
Dude you have the choice of 700,1400, or 2.... or unlimited shared minutes.
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I'm already on Sprint's lowest minute plan and I can't go any lower. 1500 shared minutes on a family plan is about 1000 more than we use each month. Not saying more minutes is a bad thing, just that I can't save any money by dropping to a lower plan.
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And at my grandparents place its the same 1 bar but who cares it still works decent and uh did we forget about WiFi? haha.
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Yeah my in-laws and parents both have wifi, so of course everything works at their houses. Then again, I feel that if I'm paying over $100 every month for phone service, I should have a phone that works everywhere. Beyond that, I'd rather have a decent smartphone with coverage than an awesome one without.
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Coverage isn't the ultimate ground breaking deal factor into choosing a carrier, yes its a factor but if its decent its fine by most people's standard it is.
And No matter who i go to besides Sprint my bill with 3 lines and everything unlimited except shared minutes is above 200+ and i have a 20%+ discount depending on the carrier.
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Yes, that's the exact issue, and the whole purpose of my post. For people who want unlimited everything, Sprint is probably the cheapest option. If you want every line to be a smartphone, it's also the cheapest option. If you can live with a smaller number of minutes, and are willing to use Google Voice for texting, Sprint actually becomes the most expensive.
Basically Sprint has the lowest maximum cost and the highest minimum cost. Everyone gets a premium plan whether they want it or not. If you want to save a little money, there's nothing you can do. I'm not saying Sprint is a bad carrier; it's just that they're not for everyone. For you they might be a perfect fit.

brad162 said:
Honestly by the time that Jan rolls around i'm sure youll have a different opionion of Sprint.
I'm one of the biggest Sprint haters there are (i've had them since my original SERO plan though, but i also keep my T-Mobile line as well - both have their ups and downs)
to be honest, Sprint has been getting a lot better lately (it seems like they just flipped something here in Phoenix about two weeks ago), as i went from .2 down to 1.2Mbps down pretty much everywhere i go, and the whole WiMax "4G" thing, just get an LTE phone and you'll get way better "4G" than the epic could ever handle anyway.
Some people are randomly reporting 4G LTE on their Evo LTE phones and i've seen results as high as 42Mbps posted around, so that's what i'd be looking forward too if i were you
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Their is no way that can be true about the 42mbps because currently no phone even on LTE can handle that much speed unless their battery dies within 6 minutes lol. And here is my reason for switching:
I like to always stay updated with phones, I usually never have a phone longer than a year without getting a new one that's just me. Coming from T-Mobile I had the easy life of simply buying a phone and switching sim cards and that's it. I never liked cdma phones because they lacked the sim card, so I never bothered buying a sprint phone because 1 I didn't know how to switch my # over to it(now I do) and etc etc it seemed like a hassle.
Another reason is although Sprint has nice phones, they honestly don't have variety compared to T-Mobile. The SG3 would be the only reason I'd stay, but I don't want to pay full price for it and I don't want to stay with my OG Epic till January. I don't have to pay the Early Termination Fee because my job has benefits with Sprint.
In all fairness, besides their unlimited plan that I love, I would stay with the Epic and hold off until January but now paying $90 a month, going to a MVNO like Simple Mobile who uses GSM and T-Mobiles service, I'd save $ and it would definitely help me out financially. So im switching just based on personal reasons and financial that's all.

Mama Luigi said:
I was trying it out. My contract is up (my wife's isn't) so I figured why not give T-Mobile a shot. If I like them I'll leave Sprint. If not, that's why there's a 14-day grace period. Loved the phone of course. The coverage just wasn't quite there. I specifically chose this past weekend because I was traveling a lot and I wanted to see how my service was in various places.
I knew from the outset that I would be roaming with T-Mobile most of the time. They don't have native coverage in central and eastern Wisconsin. I can deal with it, but the thing is once my wife's contract is up with Sprint she's going to hop on whatever provider I have, and she didn't want to be stuck on T-Mobile. So that's why I got rid of it.
I'm already on Sprint's lowest minute plan and I can't go any lower. 1500 shared minutes on a family plan is about 1000 more than we use each month. Not saying more minutes is a bad thing, just that I can't save any money by dropping to a lower plan.
Yeah my in-laws and parents both have wifi, so of course everything works at their houses. Then again, I feel that if I'm paying over $100 every month for phone service, I should have a phone that works everywhere. Beyond that, I'd rather have a decent smartphone with coverage than an awesome one without.
Yes, that's the exact issue, and the whole purpose of my post. For people who want unlimited everything, Sprint is probably the cheapest option. If you want every line to be a smartphone, it's also the cheapest option. If you can live with a smaller number of minutes, and are willing to use Google Voice for texting, Sprint actually becomes the most expensive.
Basically Sprint has the lowest maximum cost and the highest minimum cost. Everyone gets a premium plan whether they want it or not. If you want to save a little money, there's nothing you can do. I'm not saying Sprint is a bad carrier; it's just that they're not for everyone. For you they might be a perfect fit.
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Yeah i can understand i forgot that you said yours was up and not hers but how come you dont have the same time as she does.
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Their is no way that can be true about the 42mbps because currently no phone even on LTE can handle that much speed unless their battery dies within 6 minutes lol. And here is my reason for switching:
I like to always stay updated with phones, I usually never have a phone longer than a year without getting a new one that's just me. Coming from T-Mobile I had the easy life of simply buying a phone and switching sim cards and that's it. I never liked cdma phones because they lacked the sim card, so I never bothered buying a sprint phone because 1 I didn't know how to switch my # over to it(now I do) and etc etc it seemed like a hassle.
Another reason is although Sprint has nice phones, they honestly don't have variety compared to T-Mobile. The SG3 would be the only reason I'd stay, but I don't want to pay full price for it and I don't want to stay with my OG Epic till January. I don't have to pay the Early Termination Fee because my job has benefits with Sprint.
In all fairness, besides their unlimited plan that I love, I would stay with the Epic and hold off until January but now paying $90 a month, going to a MVNO like Simple Mobile who uses GSM and T-Mobiles service, I'd save $ and it would definitely help me out financially. So im switching just based on personal reasons and financial that's all.
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And no, yes you can handle those speeds your most likely never going to hit them in real life performance but it does show its hitting it.
not 40mbps because of their coverage but here

XxLostSoulxX said:
Yeah i can understand i forgot that you said yours was up and not hers but how come you dont have the same time as she does.
And no, yes you can handle those speeds your most likely never going to hit them in real life performance but it does show its hitting it.
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I didn't mean so say it like that but yes LTE can hit those speeds, but on a phone I have yet to see

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I didn't mean so say it like that but yes LTE can hit those speeds, but on a phone I have yet to see
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My video I posted shows about 20Mbps what makes you think another 20 is going to kill the battery any quicker unless its working at those speeds for a long period of time.
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My video I posted shows about 20Mbps what makes you think another 20 is going to kill the battery any quicker unless its working at those speeds for a long period of time.
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Your probably right who knows

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Your probably right who knows
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Okay here it goes last vid post but this is even back in 2011 and VZW hitting 42MBps.

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Okay here it goes last vid post but this is even back in 2011 and VZW hitting 42MBps.
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You do know that version of Speedtest never supported LTE yet right? Especially since LTE truly started rolling out around the time the version was made. So im going to say that this video isn't proof of a phone hitting those speeds rather than a simple glitch...For the Evo hell yes that looks exactly like Sprint network speeds haha...

[Q] Cancel Sprint - Offset ETF by transferring a basic phone onto account

After being together for the holidays with everyone for a week and travelling all over the place together while watching what other peoples results for coverage and speed tests were on other carriers and other smartphones, I am leaving Sprint.
I've had sprint since 2007 starting with a Palm Treo 700wx. I went from that, to a 750wx, to a Palm Treo Pro, to a temporary hiatus with a Windows Phone 7 on T-Mobile for a month, then back to Sprint with a HTC Evo Shift 4G and to my current phone; the SGS2/Epic 4G Touch.
I'll admit, I have loved playing with the previous two android phones I've had and loading tons of different ROMs, radios, PRL's, etc. I've found sweet spots and balance in them for my needs but..
My problem is, Sprints serivce has become extremely lacking while other providers move full steam ahead in their data coverage and speed offerings. Comparing just my brothers (ATT iPhone 5) and my GF's (VZW SGS3) phones to mine while they have been with me when we are travelling both around home and away on vacations has left me with a really bad taste in my mouth.
The SGS3 stays on 4G 95% of the time, the battery life is incredible, the speed tests are always returning 18-35Mbps downstream speeds wherever we go, and there are no times where the phone appears to have data coverage, but the network is unresponsive.
The ATT iPhone5 would slightly rival my 4G test results at times (when I actually have 4G coverage that is! :laugh, but 90% of the time it returned consistent 5-18Mbps downstream tests and was locked to 4G 90% of the time when I checked the phone wherever we went.
I travel all the time and I just can't deal with Sprint anymore. Their network, mostly the data aspect of it, is unbearable. Sprints implementation of WiMAX is a joke.
TLDR. So finally, here is my question:
I have 15 months left on my current contract. I have been looking for a way out without the full $350 ETF for the past couple weeks.
I saw this thread, and someone had suggested doing what I planned on doing after reviewing the ETF policies for Sprint: They purchased a basic phone, replaced their smartphone with the basic phone, and cancelled a few weeks later. They claimed it successfully offset their ETF to the lower ETF price of a basic plan.
I have a personal plan with my single line on it.
My plan is the simply unlimited plan.
I have a LG Remarq sitting here with a clean ESN.
I plan on replacing my Epic 4G Touch with the Remarq, changing my plan to a basic $30/mo plan, use it for a week or two, and then call in to cancel service, paying the lower ETF associated with basic phones.
Has anyone else done this with success?
Thanks in advance!

This is a great idea. I will try it out
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I believe the etf is associated with the phone you purchased when you signed the contract, not the phone you are currently using. If you signed a contract without purchasing a subsidized phone you aren't supposed to have an etf. The etf comes from a phone subsidy and is actually prorated (Sprint isnt always forthcoming about this and something charges the full etf unless you bring it up).
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I believe the etf is associated with the phone you purchased when you signed the contract, not the phone you are currently using. If you signed a contract without purchasing a subsidized phone you aren't supposed to have an etf. The etf comes from a phone subsidy and is actually prorated (Sprint isnt always forthcoming about this and something charges the full etf unless you bring it up).
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Right, this is the part I am worried about.
I figured it might not work as I had hoped since the reason my contract was renewed in May 2012 was due to the upgrade to the Epic 4G touch.
If it isn't going to work, I'll just sell off the Epic 4G Touch to recoupe some of the ETF..
Can't always have it all!

I would like to just say that you complaint about "sprints implementation" is wrong. Wimax is Clearwire implementation and sprint is/was using it for 4g but are abandoning it in favor of FDD-LTE / TDD-LTE (800/1900 & 2500 mhz).
They (clearwire) deployed it wrong and ran out of money in their deployment by trying to go for the blanket coverage which is practically undoable since they were using 2.5ghz/2.6ghz BRS/EBS spectrum which is highly inferior to ATT and Verizons sub ghz (700/850) spectrum.
Furthermore, your account says you live in Miami, FL which is an active Network Vision deployment area which means they're upgrading the backhaul from their crappy T1 (low data speed.. that problem) to fiber / microwave / aav etc and installing "their" implementation of 4g which is LTE-Rel 9 equipment on 1900mhz frequency at every cell site.
Just wanted to inform you on some things before you think sprint has no future and that Vz and ATT will be forever superior. Saturation of Verizons LTE network is coming along with somewhere around 50% of data usage being LTE. This is noticeable nowadays literally everywhere as Verizons 4g LTE speeds are quickly decreasing from the >20 mbps you see from speedtests all the time to somewhere in the 4-10mbps range during peak hours and average. They may have great coverage but what they lack is density because their great coverage comes from a blanket type approach where one tower in a cluster has LTE activated so that it covers other towers around it. This ensures a faster rollout and larger coverage area in a short time frame but will falter under heavy loads. ATT will face this problem as well since they are undertaking the same type of rollout as Verizon.
This is the reason why Verizon and ATT is attempting to quickly utilize AWS spectrum for LTE to relieve the high data demand on their towers. Sprint does not have this problem with LTE 1900 on every tower, LTE 800 (deployment begins when iDen is shut down and 800mhz freq is refarmed), and LTE on the 2.5ghz BRS (Clearwire) for heavy loads in high demand areas such as cities and metros.
Anyways. Good luck in where you go and maybe check back with Sprint later when their NV program is mostly complete nationwide at the end of 2013/ early 2014.

Are you in the retentions department or something?
Who has been the primary shareholder and has had control of Clearwire for the past few years?
Regardless of that, why does it matter who implemented it? My complaint is about the network they are utilizing and making available to their customers. I could care less about the details.
I don't really think any other network is forever superior over another.
In fact, I never even mentioned anything about that..
I'm just noting what I have seen in my Sprint usage over the past 5-6 years ALL throughout the east coast. I used to love Sprint, but with how much I rely on a good data connection now, I can't deal with them.
My Christmas vacation was spent in Dallas. And guess what? Sprint was even worse there than when I am at home in the unobstructed, pancake state of Florida. Everytime I take trips up to Boston and New York for work, my battery drains much more quickly. Not to mention, my coverage is terrible. I've tried all of the radios for this phone. I did the same with the Evo Shift.. same terrible data coverage.
I've moved several times over the past 7 years all throughout the east coast and everywhere I have gone, my service has never been better than it has been here. Voice coverage has always been great for the most part.
My purchase point is a reliable, dependable data connection at this point.
Maybe when Sprint can satisfy my needs and lower their prices a bit I'll come back.. I'n the meantime I will be heading over to VZW for their $80/mo unlimited + 2GB data plan since I never go over 1.5GB anyways. Sure beats the $130 I'm paying now.

element1966 said:
Are you in the retentions department or something?
Who has been the primary shareholder and has had control of Clearwire for the past few years?
Regardless of that, why does it matter who implemented it? My complaint is about the network they are utilizing and making available to their customers. I could care less about the details.
I don't really think any other network is forever superior over another.
In fact, I never even mentioned anything about that..
I'm just noting what I have seen in my Sprint usage over the past 5-6 years ALL throughout the east coast. I used to love Sprint, but with how much I rely on a good data connection now, I can't deal with them.
My Christmas vacation was spent in Dallas. And guess what? Sprint was even worse there than when I am at home in the unobstructed, pancake state of Florida. Everytime I take trips up to Boston and New York for work, my battery drains much more quickly. Not to mention, my coverage is terrible. I've tried all of the radios for this phone. I did the same with the Evo Shift.. same terrible data coverage.
I've moved several times over the past 7 years all throughout the east coast and everywhere I have gone, my service has never been better than it has been here. Voice coverage has always been great for the most part.
My purchase point is a reliable, dependable data connection at this point.
Maybe when Sprint can satisfy my needs and lower their prices a bit I'll come back.. I'n the meantime I will be heading over to VZW for their $80/mo unlimited + 2GB data plan since I never go over 1.5GB anyways. Sure beats the $130 I'm paying now.
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No. I'm not in the retention department nor am I affiliated with sprint. I am someone who went beyond and educated myself in what sprint is doing in the present, past, and future because of the sad state of their current legacy network and data speeds.
To answer your questions.
1. Sprint, although they own a majority share of a little bit over 50% of Clearwire, does not control them. They can surely veto things that they don't like but Clearwire is an independent entity with their own goals and aspirations. They've been "rebellious" in the past and bumped heads with sprints multiple times and is one of the reasons why SoftBank/New Sprint is buying them out. Make sure they don't get any fancy ideas.
Also. You mention the past experiences and how you're unsatisfied with it and that's exactly what I'm saying that Sprint is changing with their Network Vision project by updating their legacy backhaul to modern fiber / mw/ aav.
By the way. I wished you luck in your purchase and never told you to stay with sprint. Every persons need is different but it is always nice to inform people on things.
www.s4gru.com is where I get my information from and good luck with Verizon.

As someone who travels a bit, I am in the same boat. I'm pretty locked in by my family account, though. Sprint's data network is awful right now. I sure hope it gets better.

The one common thing that occurs often with Sprint that I hate the most when I am travelling is when the phone shows locked to 3G and the upload/dowload arrows are lighting up while you are trying to use google maps, the browser, or update your e-mails, and NOTHING happens!
I could be sitting at an intersection trying to figure out where I am on gmaps with 3G or 4G coverage indicated and nothing happening. I'll search for a location, it will act like it has gone through and the "Searching for ...." bubble that grays out the screen will dissappear but nothing else will happen. I'll sit there and restart the phone like a dummy at wits end and the same thing will happen afterwords. I just don't have the time to play these games anymore. I've tried all the radios, roms, prls, you name it. And I have spent plenty of time determining which radios work best for me in the SGS2. But that begs the question; why should I waste my limited free time trying to improve the reliability of my phone on a unreliable network? I've got better ways to spend my time than in constant frustration.
This has happened with my phones on sprint since the Palm Treos through all 3 of the androids I've had. No way can you point fingers at poorly designed radios in the phones. I've done everything I can to deal with the possibility of actual phone issues.. it's not the fault of the phones and I give up.
I'm sure there are plenty of places where sprint is great.. but everywhere I have been along the east coast and to TX recently, it hasn't been reliable enough for me in comparison to other major providers. I am up north and all through the east coast 10-20 times a year. And when I'm not away for work, my daily travels to customers and such can include any destination from central Florida down to the keys. It just never meets my needs wherever I typically go.
I refuse to stick around and twirl my thumbs in anticipation but I hope Sprints new rollout is a game changer for people in my situation.

Sprint just booted me
I called ther customer service enough and told them how far they could shove my account up their A S S that eventually an executive service agent called and told me my account was being canceled with no ETF's. I had to be a pretty big A S S to them, but their customer service was the worst I've ever dealt with.

firemanwill28 said:
I called ther customer service enough and told them how far they could shove my account up their A S S that eventually an executive service agent called and told me my account was being canceled with no ETF's. I had to be a pretty big A S S to them, but their customer service was the worst I've ever dealt with.
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You sound like a real winner. When I have to deal with people like you at work I go out of my way to find a reason to deny their claims. Just cuz you want to feel entitled to something doesn't mean you are, you should have just sucked it up and paid your ETF instead of crying til you got out free. Customers like you are the whole reason sprint posts losses every quarter and cant afford to build their network out fast enough to keep you pissants happy. :thumbdown:
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firemanwill28 said:
I called ther customer service enough and told them how far they could shove my account up their A S S that eventually an executive service agent called and told me my account was being canceled with no ETF's. I had to be a pretty big A S S to them, but their customer service was the worst I've ever dealt with.
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I'm sure.
I already know what I had to go through with the BBB and T-Mobile when I dropped their service after a month and tried to get out without having to pay all sorts of fees. I didn't even have cell service in my condo in the center of downtown Miami when I was living there!
I'd rather not get my blood pressure up again and just easily port my number over without delays.

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You sound like a real winner. When I have to deal with people like you at work I go out of my way to find a reason to deny their claims. Just cuz you want to feel entitled to something doesn't mean you are, you should have just sucked it up and paid your ETF instead of crying til you got out free. Customers like you are the whole reason sprint posts losses every quarter and cant afford to build their network out fast enough to keep you pissants happy. :thumbdown:
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So you stick up for Sprint, who probably pays you less than $20/hr to do their slave work and subjects you to putting up with angry customers all day?
What were you expecting when you started a call center job? An enjoyable career?
Just remember, it's not YOUR fault or problem that an angry customer calls in to ANY cell provider. If you signed the employment contract to handle their customers BS in exchange for money, then that is an unfortunate part of the job, right?
I don't think any of the customers that call in angry are personally angry at you.

element1966 said:
So you stick up for Sprint, who probably pays you less than $20/hr to do their slave work and subjects you to putting up with angry customers all day?
What were you expecting when you started a call center job? An enjoyable career?
Just remember, it's not YOUR fault or problem that an angry customer calls in to ANY cell provider. If you signed the employment contract to handle their customers BS in exchange for money, then that is an unfortunate part of the job, right?
I don't think any of the customers that call in angry are personally angry at you.
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I dont work for sprint genius. And I make way more than $20/hr at my job
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Nothing good will come out of a thread asking about how to get out of the ETF. It is there to help keep subsidized phone prices low and helps all of us. You breaking contract without paying an ETF hurts us.
Also these discussions are not proper for a development site.