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I've never had the stand alone zune player but im not sure how this will work.
If we cant have our own memory cards (altho i've read theres a htc phone coming that has a microsd card slot on it?) how are we going to load our personal mp3's that we have on our computers or whereever onto our windows phone 7 devices?
its to my understanding that you cant use the phone as a usb mass storage device, and you cant take the memory cards out anymore will we be forced to buy music out of the store or will we still be able to load our own music, videos and pics from our computers or where ever else they may be?
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I've never had the stand alone zune player but im not sure how this will work.
If we cant have our own memory cards (altho i've read theres a htc phone coming that has a microsd card slot on it?) how are we going to load our personal mp3's that we have on our computers or whereever onto our windows phone 7 devices?
its to my understanding that you cant use the phone as a usb mass storage device, and you cant take the memory cards out anymore will we be forced to buy music out of the store or will we still be able to load our own music, videos and pics from our computers or where ever else they may be?
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Yes you can load your own music thru the zune software that will be on your computer.
It's similar to how iPods/iPhones use iTunes to sync media. You just use the Zune desktop app instead. It's rather nice IMO.
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It's similar to how iPods/iPhones use iTunes to sync media. You just use the Zune desktop app instead. It's rather nice IMO.
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Very nice besides some countries will not enjoy ability to buy music from Zune just
because of MS idiotic policies.
doministry said:
Very nice besides some countries will not enjoy ability to buy music from Zune just
because of MS idiotic policies.
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It's not MS idiotic policies. It's the complexity of selling digital music. The thing is, you have to negotiate with every content owner (of which there are hundreds, these aren't always the labels even) the rights to sell in each individual country. It's one hell of a mess. Apple didn't launch iTunes store first because he got the idea first. There's a lot of caution, suspicion and fear in the media industry towards digital distribution and tech industry, and Jobs personally is an exception because he founded Pixar, thus media czars consider him one of theirs. It's all irrational and stupid, but that's the way it is.
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It's not MS idiotic policies. It's the complexity of selling digital music. The thing is, you have to negotiate with every content owner (of which there are hundreds, these aren't always the labels even) the rights to sell in each individual country. It's one hell of a mess. Apple didn't launch iTunes store first because he got the idea first. There's a lot of caution, suspicion and fear in the media industry towards digital distribution and tech industry, and Jobs personally is an exception because he founded Pixar, thus media czars consider him one of theirs. It's all irrational and stupid, but that's the way it is.
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Well IT IS MS stupid policy too.
Apparently ChannelClassics did not have any problem with it
and I can just download whatever I want from there.
But the giant MS can't make it? Please!
They just don't want to move their asses to change it
because other countries have it apparently.
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But the giant MS can't make it? Please!
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Well, first of all, yes, it's more difficult for MS to negotiate terms with labels than with a small service labels can always kill/swallow. They still dream to control the distribution one day, and they don't like big brands standing between them and your money.
Secondly, if they are lazy and don't want to move their assess it's not a policy, it's inefficiency and ineffectiveness. Also bad, but a different beast.
Thirdly, I don't know what ChannelClassics is, but if they are selling classical music it's much easier.
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Well, first of all, yes, it's more difficult for MS to negotiate terms with labels than with a small service labels can always kill/swallow. They still dream to control the distribution one day, and they don't like big brands standing between them and your money.
Secondly, if they are lazy and don't want to move their assess it's not a policy, it's inefficiency and ineffectiveness. Also bad, but a different beast.
Thirdly, I don't know what ChannelClassics is, but if they are selling classical music it's much easier.
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Ok, let's call it lazyness for now. It's still a "policy"
If Zune music purchases aren't working on the device, why the **** do I need this
"hub" or or it's name for, and this huge noise about it? That Zune is so magnificent?
So it's basically the same as WMP on WM 6.x but follwed with buzz around it. Pathetic
It pisses me off.
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If Zune music purchases aren't working on the device, why the **** do I need this
"hub" or or it's name for, and this huge noise about it? That Zune is so magnificent?
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Well, first and foremost, it's a media player, so you can use it as such. It'll show you the library, recently played stuff, newly added stuff etc. No particular usefullness in that, just a player. And quite a decent one at that.
Secondly, the hub will show podcast subscriptions if you use those. I do.
Thirdly, it's a hub because it can be extended by third party applications - i.e. streaming players, other media players, YouTube stuff, don't know what will be there exactly.
Ability to purchase music and videos and the subscription service will be missing in most countries, maybe even for years to come, unless the whole scene changes (which may well happen, it should happen somehow, these things just take time, it's just difficult to judge from outside as everything is taking place behind closed doors).
But then again, I personally don't worry much about it. If out of fear and doubt content providers refuse to sell content to me legally (which is what's happening right now), well, I know where to get it. WP7, just like the iPhone, doesn't prevent you from using, let's say, alternative sources in any way. If they finally come to senses and start selling music to me legally, I'll start buying it from them.
And overall, why did you decide to get upset about the Zune service when WP7 as a whole just isn't available to you in the first place?
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Well, first and foremost, it's a media player, so you can use it as such. It'll show you the library, recently played stuff, newly added stuff etc. No particular usefullness in that, just a player. And quite a decent one at that.
Secondly, the hub will show podcast subscriptions if you use those. I do.
Thirdly, it's a hub because it can be extended by third party applications - i.e. streaming players, other media players, YouTube stuff, don't know what will be there exactly.
Ability to purchase music and videos and the subscription service will be missing in most countries, maybe even for years to come, unless the whole scene changes (which may well happen, it should happen somehow, these things just take time, it's just difficult to judge from outside as everything is taking place behind closed doors).
But then again, I personally don't worry much about it. If out of fear and doubt content providers refuse to sell content to me legally (which is what's happening right now), well, I know where to get it. WP7, just like the iPhone, doesn't prevent you from using, let's say, alternative sources in any way. If they finally come to senses and start selling music to me legally, I'll start buying it from them.
And overall, why did you decide to get upset about the Zune service when WP7 as a whole just isn't available to you in the first place?
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Maybe true, I should wait for WP7 release in Poland.
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Well IT IS MS stupid policy too.
Apparently ChannelClassics did not have any problem with it
and I can just download whatever I want from there.
But the giant MS can't make it? Please!
They just don't want to move their asses to change it
because other countries have it apparently.
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(after a quick google) Channel Classics is a record label that sells classicl music that is not encumbered with any copyrights. Copyright restrictions are the sole reason why this is a problem. You can't compare a label selling classical music to a music distributor/retailer selling modern music.
When Windows Phone 7 was announced, every WinMo fan could not wait to see what Microsoft was going to come up with. We were all hoping that Microsoft could give us a modern mobile OS that was feature-rich and stable. Something at best better than Android and at worst comparable.
The first set of news that started to raise eyebrows was the complete design control Microsoft imposed on the phones. From the cpu speed to the number of physical buttons, we jokingly said Microsoft was beginning to sound like Apple. But we brushed it off saying that the high minimum requirements meant all the phones were going to be fabulously powerful and there is nothing wrong with that.
Then more disturbing things started to come out. No bluetooth transfer or mass storage mode. Conflicting reports were coming out about the memory card or lack thereof. There would be no Flash support and Zune software will be needed to manage files on the phone. Suddenly the mobile OS Microsoft was creating started to sound less and less like Android and more like iOS.
But I believe that Microsoft does not see Windows Phone 7 as a competitor to the Android and iPhone phones of this world. I think they are actually after the Blackberry market instead. Then all these limitations make sense. Windows Phone 7 has too many mass consumer limitations to compete with a well established Android OS. But the Blackberry market, as insane as it sounds with how rooted BBs are in government and corporations, is actually attainable.
Microsoft put effort into creating a phone that is a hub of information. Email capabilities when using an Exchange server look amazing. MSN messenger already has a large user base.
+ WP7 handsets are more technologically advanced than BB handsets
+ MSN Messenger is better than BB Messenger
+ Browser experience is without question better than what BB is offering now
- BB is the king of email and WP7 will have to work to trump BB.
But it makes for more sense for this phone to be a BlackBerry beater than an Android one. I would pick any of the 9 debut handsets over a Blackberry. I would have a harder time choosing them over a Desire.
The only hopes of trumping BB phones is rooted in security. For any company to allow the use of wp7 phones, there will needed to be extensive security testing to ensure that the intellectual property is safeguarded. This is especially applicable to governments.
And I believe that is exactly what they did. Here is an interview taken from everythingwm.com:
Two conspicuous absences in the abilities of Windows Phone 7 are Flash and Silverlight — the latter especially, as it is developed by Microsoft themselves. TechRadar talked to Microsoft’s Andy Lees, president of the mobile communications division, on the issue, and this is what he had to say:
“It’s not a religious thing; we support standard H.264 video in the browser. We’re not allergic to Flash, we’re not allergic to Silverlight, we’re not allergic to HTML5 – but this [Windows Phone 7 browser] doesn’t support it. We don’t have the extensibility model inside the browser for those pieces and when you see the future I think you’ll understand why.
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“There is no ActiveX plug-in extensibility because of the security model; we’re not going to do that. And with no ActiveX plug-in model, how would we do Flash?”
It’s about stability, security, and battery life, it seems. Pretty much exactly what Apple said about why they don’t support Flash on the iPhone.
WP7 is not even close to being targeted at the corporate world right now. It's targeted at regular consumers.
No side loading or private publishing
barely any support for policies
no device encryption
BlackBerry will continue to dominate the corporate sector until someone else (and I think it will be Microsoft) decides to compete in those aspects.
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WP7 is not even close to being targeted at the corporate world right now. It's targeted at regular consumers.
No side loading or private publishing
barely any support for policies
no device encryption
BlackBerry will continue to dominate the corporate sector until someone else (and I think it will be Microsoft) decides to compete in those aspects.
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It's almost like he's reading this forum.
http://www.winsupersite.com/mobile/wp7_business.asp explains all this at length in case you're interested.
going to agree with rusty here. Bb market is losing more share than windows to iPhone mostly. Wp7 is a consumer device with some nuances of work related material
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It's almost like he's reading this forum.
http://www.winsupersite.com/mobile/wp7_business.asp explains all this at length in case you're interested.
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I actually started to do some searching after and made a post that did not go thru.
I have read posts that claims Windows will support side-loading apps.
Policy support can be fixed.
No device level encryption, but there is data level encryption so data can be protected and provide developers with flexible options.
My whole thing is this: If Windows is indeed looking to be in the same market space as iOS and Android they will get crushed initially. There are on average comparable phones in the Android market to these 9 WP7 devices.
HTC HD7 vs Desire HD - The Desire HD is better in battery life, camera MP and because it is an Android phone it does not have the quirky limitations that WP7. Why would the average consumer pick the HD7 over the Desire HD? The same goes for the HTC 7 Pro vs Desire Z. The most unique phones out of the bunch are the HTC 7 Surround and the Mozart.
I guess I am looking at it from my point of view. WP7 looks to be more business inspired than Android and iOS and I do not like/want a Blackberry Storm (or Torch).
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I actually started to do some searching after and made a post that did not go thru.
I have read posts that claims Windows will support side-loading apps.
Policy support can be fixed.
No device level encryption, but there is data level encryption so data can be protected and provide developers with flexible options.
My whole thing is this: If Windows is indeed looking to be in the same market space as iOS and Android they will get crushed initially. There are on average comparable phones in the Android market to these 9 WP7 devices.
HTC HD7 vs Desire HD - The Desire HD is better in battery life, camera MP and because it is an Android phone it does not have the quirky limitations that WP7. Why would the average consumer pick the HD7 over the Desire HD? The same goes for the HTC 7 Pro vs Desire Z. The most unique phones out of the bunch are the HTC 7 Surround and the Mozart.
I guess I am looking at it from my point of view. WP7 looks to be more business inspired than Android and iOS and I do not like/want a Blackberry Storm (or Torch).
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Yes, at first WP7 will probably get crushed but it will gain momentum.
There's plenty of reasons why consumers will pick up WP7 devices. Better media, better UI, easier to use, a guaranteed experience, higher quality apps, etc. There's been many, many threads and posts on this forum debating this topic so I'd suggest you start reading if you want to know the pros/cons.
Yes, there is side loading but it's only for registered developers. Read the article I posted, it does a good job of explaining it. WP7 is in no way targeted at corporations right now. That will come in time but right now it is squarely pointed at media and social networking hungry consumers.
So yes, because it does include exchange policy support as well as office integration, you could make the argument that it's already more corporate friendly than iPhone and Android. But that's not saying much at all. It is still not even on the same playing field as BlackBerry in that space.
I am not sure if the xda review shares my opinion, but look at the last paragraphof this article:
http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/xda-exclusive-windows-phone-7-review/
WP7 is targeted at dumbphone users who want to switch to a smartphone.
Many of them already have iPhones, but there are still lots of potential customers who haven't switched to a smartphone yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdpQir1sqiQ
Windows Phone 7 taking a funny shot at Crackberry users.
I think microsoft kept it to a minimum. They released what was ready. It is not like android got flash right away or it had all the features that it has now from the get go. I think for once microsoft did the right thing. They released a good OS and didn't put in stuff that was not ready to be release. Are they probably testing a faster browser? Flash support? may be turn by turn navigation app of their own? Mass storage support? I do hope so for their sake, and I am pretty sure they do have plans for those features. Lately microsoft has been on the right track not releasing software that is broken and works hals assed and needs to be held back. They went with what was ready and held back what is not ready.
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WP7 is targeted at dumbphone users who want to switch to a smartphone.
Many of them already have iPhones, but there are still lots of potential customers who haven't switched to a smartphone yet.
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Great post You just insulted most of the phone users in the world.
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Great post You just insulted most of the phone users in the world.
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He's like a broken record with that crap in many WP7 threads.
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I think microsoft kept it to a minimum. They released what was ready. It is not like android got flash right away or it had all the features that it has now from the get go. I think for once microsoft did the right thing. They released a good OS and didn't put in stuff that was not ready to be release. Are they probably testing a faster browser? Flash support? may be turn by turn navigation app of their own? Mass storage support? I do hope so for their sake, and I am pretty sure they do have plans for those features. Lately microsoft has been on the right track not releasing software that is broken and works hals assed and needs to be held back. They went with what was ready and held back what is not ready.
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Free turn by turn nav is nothing new to MS. They were first to have free TbT on the WinMo 6.5 in Bing search. TbT nav is now a common thing in today's smartphones. For MS to not plan it in from the get go for WP7 is, in my view of it, short sighted.
The TbT incorporated in Bing on my HD2 worked flawlessly. I see nothing broken about software MS already has perfected. My view is MS is just being hard-nosed and far too conservative about features in WP7. It's as if they are daring the market not to support WP7. They are doing the exact opposite of what they need to do to have a mobile OS that will survive in this market. Instead of piling in the features and making a top-notch OS that makes a person say, "WOW! I have to have that!", they are making a first-rate, top-notch OS but skimping on features. This makes a person think, when considering the nature of technology getting better and more feature laden as time passes, that they have to have a WP7 device and then, when they see it doesn't do what they expected because it doesn't have all those features, they become disillusioned and are left with a bummed out feeling toward MS and their shiny, fancy new OS.
Since this is how MS does business....newer tech being LESS feature laden...the next time I buy a car, I will buy a Lexus and expect a model-T
I'm sitting here with the worst case of buyers remorse I've had since I bought a Palm VII. I bought my Surround off-contract, and the store has a no-returns policy for non-contract sales, so this thing is going on Craigslist for a loss tomorrow.
That said, in a lot of ways, my old Bold 9000, BBOS 4.x, circa 2008 had more functionality than this late 2010 WP7 device. I could use it as a storage device, for one thing, and "side load" applications, and more importantly, data (ebooks, music, movies, etc) without needing any sort of sync program. It also had better audio than this Surround, believe it or not.
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I'm sitting here with the worst case of buyers remorse I've had since I bought a Palm VII. I bought my Surround off-contract, and the store has a no-returns policy for non-contract sales, so this thing is going on Craigslist for a loss tomorrow.
That said, in a lot of ways, my old Bold 9000, BBOS 4.x, circa 2008 had more functionality than this late 2010 WP7 device. I could use it as a storage device, for one thing, and "side load" applications, and more importantly, data (ebooks, music, movies, etc) without needing any sort of sync program. It also had better audio than this Surround, believe it or not.
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That is what happens when opt to be a guinea pig. But you can place a reasonable bet that these initial offering issues will be fixed by Q1 2011. The question is are you willing to wait?
And no, I do not believe your Bold 9000 has better audio than the Surround. But I have not heard the Surround yet.
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I'm sitting here with the worst case of buyers remorse I've had since I bought a Palm VII. I bought my Surround off-contract, and the store has a no-returns policy for non-contract sales, so this thing is going on Craigslist for a loss tomorrow.
That said, in a lot of ways, my old Bold 9000, BBOS 4.x, circa 2008 had more functionality than this late 2010 WP7 device. I could use it as a storage device, for one thing, and "side load" applications, and more importantly, data (ebooks, music, movies, etc) without needing any sort of sync program. It also had better audio than this Surround, believe it or not.
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Are you actually deaf or using broken headphones/speakers? The zune player has the best audio playback off any phone period.
I have posted about other complains on the phone in other threads so i will keep this to a basic summary.
Zune file management is easily the best if you pref active sync then there is something wrong with you plus its media management makes even apple look pafetic.
If you want a mass storage device buy a memory stick there like £20 and work better than any phone mp3 player or book reader.
copy and paste and flash are on the way though tbf c/p is overrated and flash is a battery drain.
multitasking is just for show and in the real world only acts to drain battery and slow down performance (everything it would be useful for already do ie you can read texts whilst in other apps)
turn by turn is just a gimic don't know about anyone else but when i get in my car I have my tomtom and don't kill my phone just getting somewhere.
All in all MS has got the point of a phone and have what is needed working let us not forget the bonuses,
Zune rules everything, hubs and tiles are the future, Xbox live is the greatest thing to happen to phones ever and it all works smoth and looks like something from minority report whils tnot sacrifysing anything thats actually useful, just a bunch of crap people like to say they have.
Zune is an awesome player and I can second that.
But Android is much more hackable and versatile. It's like Windows Mobile 6.5 with better interface and looks!
I like how lumpa's argument on essential features is,"Well, you only THINK you need that."
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Microsoft seem to be putting their software onto apples phone, http://wmpoweruser.com/how-to-alienate-your-customers-101/
whats next microsoft office on iOS if this continues then there will be on reason to get a wp7 device, after all, the iphone has a better gpu, far more memory (i live in the uk so 16gb is the max 8gb is the norm) so why would i want to buy a wp7 device again if MS starts doing this???
Because they're a software company?
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Microsoft seem to be putting their software onto apples phone, http://wmpoweruser.com/how-to-alienate-your-customers-101/
whats next microsoft office on iOS if this continues then there will be on reason to get a wp7 device, after all, the iphone has a better gpu, far more memory (i live in the uk so 16gb is the max 8gb is the norm) so why would i want to buy a wp7 device again if MS starts doing this???
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why is office on mac os?
why should they not?
WP7 has a different user experience and i like it much more than the android/ios experience....wp7 wouldn`t a good plattform if only the apps are the pros for it.
And why not give iOS users possibility to like office and maybe consider wp7 for their next phone then?
Well, might never happen, cause most applers stay applers...
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Geez. Why should you buy a WP7 rather than iPhone? Because the user experience between the two devices are completely different.
Obviously apps are going to be cross platform, Microsoft is after all a software company. Now, one could argue that they should perhaps do what Google does - and wait with releasing their apps on other platforms until they absolutely have to, but this is the iPhone we are talking about - they have to.
Good Point bro!!!
And because in the futur all softwares will be able to run all platform.
0711 said:
why is office on mac os?
why should they not?
WP7 has a different user experience and i like it much more than the android/ios experience....wp7 wouldn`t a good plattform if only the apps are the pros for it.
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Why is there iTunes Windows? It is slow by the way.
I am sure that companies do this so that user can have options and maybe pick the companies OS next time.
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Because they're a software company?
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Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
Keep in mind that the software developed for the iPhone was a separate team from those working on Wp7.
Also, if iphone users start to use a bunch of microsoft apps, maybe they will think "maybe I should be using a microsoft phone" and then buy a windows phone. Sure it could go the other way as well... but I'm an optimist.
To make money, as what pretty much most if not all paid apps are for.
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Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
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Too much work? Maybe they figured that game exclusivity is what drives the console sales.
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Too much work? Maybe they figured that game exclusivity is what drives the console sales.
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is all about the market share, and profit.
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Too much work? Maybe they figured that game exclusivity is what drives the console sales.
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But porting apps over to iOS is not? How come they can't figure out that app exclusivity also drives phone sales.
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But porting apps over to iOS is not? How come they can't figure out that app exclusivity also drives phone sales.
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Because console games are complicated and require certain components to work. Every smartphone uses the same SoC set no matter what OS they run whether it would be snapdragon, omap, a4, etc. The consoles are made differently, the 360 with tri-cores and the ps3 uses something really confusing. Than again, Final Fantasy did appear on the Xbox, but Sony didn't exclusive rights to that game.
I would imagine that it is miles easier for porting apps, or maybe they want to do something like having an app on a certain phone will just run better as oppose to something not native.
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And why not give iOS users possibility to like office and maybe consider wp7 for their next phone then?
Well, might never happen, cause most applers stay applers...
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I didn't . Don't get me wrong, I loved my iPhone (until Apple butchered it with iOS 4), but when I went to go snag an iPhone 4 and got to play with it side by side with the Samsung Focus, the choice was clear--Focus is a MUCH nicer device, with a nicer screen and of course, Windows Phone 7 itself--which makes iOS look antiquated and stale.
That said, I also have a 2010 Macbook Pro 13" which I got purely so I can submit apps to the iOS store, but I can't stand Mac OSX, it's a ****in' turd. So I'm glad the laptop runs Windows 7 nicely enough, LOL.
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Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
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MS also makes the hardware for the XBOX. And they sold the hardware at a loss. Their revenue model was dependent on software attach rates being high on the console. People often choose game consoles based on exclusive games. MS could spend millions marketing Halo because they know that the reason people buy XBOX consoles is so that they could play awesome games. Period. Everything else the XBOX does is just gravy.
People buy smartphones for so many different reasons.
MS can't invest millions of dollars into the promotion and marketing of a single app, because a large portion of customers won't care about it.
Bing and One Note are fighting for mindshare. You can't have a killer phone app if nobody even knows what it is.
The only way to market and advertise how good Bing and One Note could be is by putting it the hands of the most people possible. And for now, that's on the iPhone.
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People buy smartphones for so many different reasons.
MS can't invest millions of dollars into the promotion and marketing of a single app, because a large portion of customers won't care about it.
Bing and One Note are fighting for mindshare. You can't have a killer phone app if nobody even knows what it is.
The only way to market and advertise how good Bing and One Note could be is by putting it the hands of the most people possible. And for now, that's on the iPhone.
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If you are using a smartphone for a single app, than you need to rethink.
I heard that you can get Bing on Android devices as well, although not many people actually want it (seeing that it is a Google phone). I think putting Microsoft software on other OS' is not a bad idea. After all, you see Microsoft everywhere.
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MS also makes the hardware for the XBOX. And they sold the hardware at a loss. Their revenue model was dependent on software attach rates being high on the console. People often choose game consoles based on exclusive games. MS could spend millions marketing Halo because they know that the reason people buy XBOX consoles is so that they could play awesome games. Period. Everything else the XBOX does is just gravy.
People buy smartphones for so many different reasons.
MS can't invest millions of dollars into the promotion and marketing of a single app, because a large portion of customers won't care about it.
Bing and One Note are fighting for mindshare. You can't have a killer phone app if nobody even knows what it is.
The only way to market and advertise how good Bing and One Note could be is by putting it the hands of the most people possible. And for now, that's on the iPhone.
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You comment doesn't make any sense. They sell hardware at a loss and make money from games. Keeping Xbox exclusives would make sense if they made money from the hardware. Since they make money from the games, they should be doing everything to port games to other platforms as well.
Thing is, Microsoft is the top player in the console industry - so they don't have to port games to other platforms. The increase in revenue would likely be offset by the increase in development cost to support the PS3 and/or Wii. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft Game Studio titles do drive console sales (I know plenty of people who have bought an Xbox 360 purely because of Halo for example); higher console sales lead to higher revenue (even if they did initially sell hardware at a loss) as people pay for the XBL Gold service, spend money in the Xbox marketplace and purchase Xbox 360 games (for which MS get's a license fee no matter if it's an in-house title or not).
This is pretty much how the printer/ink/toner industry or coffee-pod industry works also. They sell the hardware at little to no profit but you are tied in to buying their ink/toner or coffee-pods for the lifetime of the product. It's actually cheaper for me to purchase a new CLP every so often than it is to buy new toner - when I then sell the old printer online I more or less come out at zero cost.
In the smartphone sector, Apple is the king of the hill and it only makes sense to have their software available. Apps do not drive phone sales; UX (User eXperience) does. Keeping a title exclusive to WP7 makes no sense at all. At the same time, it does not make sense (business wise) to support all possible smartphone platforms out there, only iOS and Android has a valuable marketplace (app wise) so those are the platforms to support - this is why Google hasn't released their apps as official WP7 clients thus far; Windows Phone 7 doesn't have a big enough marketshare that it pays for them to spend development dollars on it. Once the OS gains momentum (if it does) Google will rather quickly release what they have to offer.
All said, I do agree it's painful when "better" software appears for the iPhone rather than their own OS, WP7, but this goes back to the fact Microsoft are so large. There is no single person making decisions, they have COO's and project managers en masse, often trying to out-do eachother or vote other projects down as they step on their own projects toes. Microsoft is filled to the brim with highly competent people, but they operate like a bureaucracy. Ask anyone who's ever worked there and they'll all more or less tell the same story - the layers of hierarchy is killing creative output.
How many times has Microsoft not come out with killer products which has failed miserably in the marketplace because upper management hasn't seen or understood the possibility. Take Media Center for example, it has given the best UX for DVRs for years - still, they never took it to the next level and now it's almost too late. With a lot of luck their embedded Media Center's showcased (in a back-room no less?!) at CES may make a dent in the market, but it's highly unlikely as they missed the boat. GoogleTV, AppleTV, Boxee and a whole lot of other players are now ruling the roost.
That's exactly what they did with the mobile sector also - they had great ideas and were the top players years ago. But they became complacent and stopped innovating. Then other players came along and completely killed them; what was WM's marketshare last year? How much of that was made up of HD2 sales which were re-flashed with Android?
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Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
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This is off topic but why would you want to port Halo to the PS3? Halo is more aimed at muliplayer and as everyone knows Playstation sucks at on-line gaming.
Found it interesting that Microsoft just released an Xbox Live app for iOS users that does almost the exact same thing that our Xbox hub does. Is it me or did Microsoft just take away one of the coolest reasons to own a WP7?
Yes I know that you can't earn Xbox achievements on the iOS app, but one of the main things I loved about having the hub on my phone was to see who was online to play, something that made all my Iphone friends jealous.
Would love to hear feedback!
http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-releases-xbox-live-app-for-ios-users/
Yes i feel the same way, I think Microsoft lost points on this one but i guess it was bound to happen. +1 for iOS
So what are the remaining reasons to buy a WP7? Office, and thats rumoured to be coming to ios. So then with a deficit in apps, mindshare, marketshare, what would be the reason to buy a WP7 device?
What a stupid, stupid, move and when WP7 dies, no one at MS should cry. (Probably all still be on their iphones, anyway).
The integration between Windows Phone and Xbox Live isn't good enough be that much of a selling point at the moment. The parts that are, games that add achievements and what not, aren't available on iOS.
You guys are complaining about something that offers the functionality that the xbox live website offers, who cares? You that mad that somebody can edit an Avatar? Read their Xbox Live Messages?
Let's complain when iOS gamers are playing games with people on Xbox Live.
PG2G said:
Let's complain when iOS gamers are playing games with people on Xbox Live.
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Microsoft being a software company I wouldn't be surprised to see them do that. That's where the customers are.
I think it's damaging to Windows Phone perception wise, iOS has already the best games and now they have an Xbox Live app. Even if the games are not Live enabled, that's not good for perception.
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Microsoft being a software company I wouldn't be surprised to see them do that. That's where the customers are.
I think it's damaging to Windows Phone perception wise, iOS has already the best games and now they have an Xbox Live app. Even if the games are not Live enabled, that's not good for perception.
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Google has apps on iOS, doesn't seem to have hurt them too much.
Hell, I wouldn't mind Zune support on iOS too, haha.
Yeah Microsoft has been stupid with Zune, if they had made it multiplatform from the go they would own the streaming space now. Not sure Spotify would exist today. Typically Microsoft really.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/7/2...ve-app-for-ios-puts-a-little-windows-phone-on
The Verge has an interesting interpretation of this app... expose iPhone users to metro UI.
arkavat said:
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/7/2...ve-app-for-ios-puts-a-little-windows-phone-on
The Verge has an interesting interpretation of this app... expose iPhone users to metro UI.
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No it wont, just gives them one more reason to stick with their platform. Xbox Live may not have been a reason to switch to WP7, but being on ios definitely makes it easier for those users to stay on their platform.
Plus Xbox Live users are already exposed to metro through their console so that argument doesn't hold up.
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Wp7 games already suck this gives iOS 1up on us while their fames are nice along with their ability to see their Xbox live account. Who cares if they can't achieve points on such games
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They get their points in Game Center. This is just icing on the cake for them. I said the same thing about them releasing Windows Live Messenger and OneNote mobile on iOS.
I'm due for a new phone soon. This will be interesting.
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I'm due a new phone since August. Been waiting for a decent Mango phone which never came. Chances are I'll keep my Omnia 7 on the side, upgrade to a Galaxy Nexus and buy an iPad. I'll give it until CES then decide but it seems to me Microsoft is treating iOS better than WP at the moment.
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Thread is silly. This has been possible with apps on IOS and Android for years. Microsoft just made a official version for IOS.
boohoo they're trying to get more users. You have to understand MS is a Software company first.
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Thread is silly. This has been possible with apps on IOS and Android for years. Microsoft just made a official version for IOS.
boohoo they're trying to get more users. You have to understand MS is a Software company first.
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And what would have happened if Blackberry made an official BBM app for Apple years ago? Or if Apple had released Siri for Android too? The only difference is WP7 is too new to lose exclusive features, minor or major. 3rd party apps don't count.
uh, this has never been a exclusive feature. As stated apps have been available for years, get over it. Office, Zune are exclusive.
Software company wants more people to use it's software. Wow, who would've known.
Who didn't see this coming. Ignorance is bliss, I see.
Microsoft released WLM for iOS and made WP7 users wait a year for it while demanding developers like IM+ rip out the WLM functionality months before many users even got Mango.
They also released OneNote, which is literally the only part of Office Mobile that is better than iWorks and third party Android Office Alternatives like DTG, ThinkFree, and QuickOffice.
Then the Bing app with Vision and all that other stuff, and even updates it for other platforms when we have to wait for complete firmware updates to go from MS to OEM to Carrier to us for an update on that stuff.
Still waiting on PhotoSynth for WP7... It's on iOS, though...
Really... Why the suprised looks?
Microsoft is internally fragmented. The different devisions don't work together as well as those in Google and Apple. Google would never release a Maps app on par with the Android version for another platform, but Microsoft has no issues releasing OneNote Mobile, WLM, PhotoSynth, and ridiculously good Bing apps for other platforms. They have pretty much always done this.
The Windows Phone Team does not control what the XBox, Windows Live, and Office Teams do; and the management at Microsoft does not force them to give priority support to their own platforms, either, from the looks of it (looking back years even to Windows Mobile days).
www.xbox.com does the same thing, who cares.
And you can control your xbox with the controller. Who cares about that app?
Right?
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Google releases great apps for non-Android devices and they're praised for supporting other companies and are making an attempt to take over the world through superior support and innovation.
Microsoft does it and they're the worst company in the world abandoning their operating system and are heavily fragmented.
Our app still does much more than the iOS app. Would a thread in this tone be created in the Android section if Google released a full-featured Google+ app for Windows Phone? Probably not.
Windows Phone 8 is looking real nice!!!
"Hardware- Windows Phone 8 will support Multicore processors, Four screen resolutions (actual pixel counts weren’t specified), and removable microSD card storage. There will also be support for NFC as well.
Platform- Windows Phone 8 will allow developers “reuse — by far — most of their code” from Windows 8 and vice versa in their apps. Also Microsoft is planning for richer version of ActiveSync as a replacement for Zune client.
App Platform extension- Windows Phone 8 will support app-to-app communication, native Skype integration and allows camera app to be skinned by OEM’s. Windows Phone 8 will also add native code support.
Data Management – Windows Phone 8 will feature DataSmart, which aims to reduce, and simplify the tracking of, data usage. The phone will automatically connect to Wi-Fi hotspots when available and Bing Local scout can display local hotspots in maps.
Internet Explorer – Microsoft is planning for server side compression technique as used in Opera Mini, Kindle Fire Silk ,etc, .
Enterprise Support- Windows Phone 8 will get native BitLocker encryption .
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read full story here
just read this over at pocketnow. Cant wait for Apollo.
Really glad MS is bringing back a form of Activesync instead of going through Zune
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removable microSD card storage.
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Only thing that matters. Honestly, I get why they made the decision to not allow people to use their own SD cards because most people don't know the speed of their memory card. However, would it really have been that difficult to include TWO slots? One for the internal super fast card required for the OS and then one where the peons of the world could just insert their old 2x speed card that has all their mp3s or whatever on it. From a design standpoint I still cannot figure out why this was not built in to begin with.
"new screen resolutions (a total of four, although actual pixel counts weren't specified)" so our phones will not update?
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"new screen resolutions (a total of four, although actual pixel counts weren't specified)" so our phones will not update?
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ALL GEN1 and GEN2 will update to Apollo.
Woah this is going to be epic! Love the integration they're going for with windows 8!
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Wow, that is going to be a huge update...
Hopefully now WP will be ahead of the competition feature wise when it will come out.
The only thing I'm dissapointed about is a Skype app, full Skype integration would have been such a killer feature and really a step forward in how our mobile phones work. Would it be possible that carriers would not allow this?
I doubt that the Gen1 and Gen2 phones wont be updated because of the resolutions. I assume that the future marketplace restrictions will only allow apps that run on every resolution. And in my opinion the current resolution is just fine and I can live with it for the next two years.
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Woah this is going to be epic! Love the integration they're going for with windows 8!
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It's the reason I think Microsoft is going to be a solid contender in the mobile fight for dominance. They are going to connect all the connectables. A developer writes an app, basically one app that will work on a PC, Phone, TV, and Tablet. Imagine the amount of developer attention and efforts that will flock to the platform.
Now lets see Microsoft get really smart and give Windows Phone Users their copy of Windows 8 for free. " Promo "
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It's the reason I think Microsoft is going to be a solid contender in the mobile fight for dominance. They are going to connect all the connectables. A developer writes an app, basically one app that will work on a PC, Phone, TV, and Tablet. Imagine the amount of developer attention and efforts that will flock to the platform.
Now lets see Microsoft get really smart and give Windows Phone Users their copy of Windows 8 for free. " Promo "
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Can't say I agree more that having this uniform eco-system where one app works for all is probably the best move MS have up their sleeve. Any developer who knows the app they make for PC will work on tablet and phone's as well immediately should serve as a huge incentive to develop, and fast. An ace card up from Google & Apple I guess, though tbh as an Android user, we aren't short of apps. Hopefully though it closes the gap, especially come may when my upgrades due, getting bored of the UI of Ice Cream Sandwich already and iPhones just aren't for me at the moment. Should be an interesting year though to say the least
If this is officially revealed at MWC, sales might suffer from it. Sensible people wouldn't get into a 2 years contract knowing that high resolutions, multi core and NFC are just a few months away. I wish this update would come much earlier that Mango did but I can't see it happening with Nokia just getting back to the US market.
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ALL GEN1 and GEN2 will update to Apollo.
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Is this statement based on information (e.g. from Microsoft) or is it just a guess?
magicsquid said:
Is this statement based on information (e.g. from Microsoft) or is it just a guess?
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I think Microsoft originally said all phones would get all updates but you never know as even on iOS some early phones can't be updated anymore. I'd think GEN2 would be fine with a question mark over GEN1.
GEN1 owners should be eligible for upgrade when GEN3 is out though.
This is really huge and backward compatible
In the article, they also state that Windows Phone 8 is Apollo.
And as far as compatibility, they also state
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Update: Microsoft insider Paul Thurrott has published a post confirming many of the details that we learned, adding that despite the change to a desktop kernel, current Windows Phone apps will indeed be backwards compatible
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Removable storage, ability to use native code, skype integration, data to automaically favor wifi hotspots.
I was just reading more into the stuff Heathcliff did with running native code. It looks pretty easy (By easy, I mean for devs that have been doing dot net and COM for years.) to make apps that use it now that he did the leg work, but I am thinking I may just wait and use the official one when an Apollo SDK is issued by Microsoft.
Once this is out, native won't be for home brew only.
Hopefully they get this out earlier rather than later. And the SDK even sooner, so we can see apps available that take advantage once it is released.
Death to Zune! No more Zune!
Best news is the move to ActiveSync! Which means wired and wireless access to our files. Also I read native code support a few days ago.
Everything else is so 2010.
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vetvito said:
Death to Zune! No more Zune!
Best news is the move to ActiveSync! Which means wired and wireless access to our files. Also I read native code support a few days ago.
Everything else is so 2010.
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No.
The whole media System of Windows Phone is Zune. A dedicated application may require Zune Client to sync Media.
Yes, the actually listened. I was going to jump ship but now I will bite my tongue and wait.
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No.
The whole media System of Windows Phone is Zune. A dedicated application may require Zune Client to sync Media.
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Sure buddy
" Moreover, Windows Phone 8 will reportedly scrap integration with the desktop Zune client in favor of a syncing relationship with a dedicated companion application. In other words, Microsoft is bringing back a (presumably) richer version of ActiveSync after letting that program die out for the most part."
Death to Zune!
They're bringing back the glory days of the PPC!
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You guys make me laugh....
I'm still waiting for 8107 and you are talking about Windows 8. LOL. When has MS ever met a freak'n date?
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Sure buddy
" Moreover, Windows Phone 8 will reportedly scrap integration with the desktop Zune client in favor of a syncing relationship with a dedicated companion application. In other words, Microsoft is bringing back a (presumably) richer version of ActiveSync after letting that program die out for the most part."
Death to Zune!
They're bringing back the glory days of the PPC!
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I'm betting zune will still be around, just not required. it will be a music client only and still have phone integration. They put to much into zune and they will need a music service to compete with itunes. the name will die though. It will be Microsoft music as seen on windows 8
http://zunited.net/rss/?p=84