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A lot of people are asking about Android on the Wave but I was just thinking one of the best ways to promote bada would be to port it to the Galaxy S or even other phones. I am sure there has to be at least a few Galaxy S owners that would be interested in at least playing with bada. This would vastly increase the potential market size for developers and provide more incentive to develop for bada. So what do you guys think, is it doable or even worthwhile? And if anyone at Samsung by chance is reading this, perhaps you could write an official alternate bada firmware for your Galaxy S customers. The way I see it, it could only help in promoting bada.
This is a great idea. We should definitely do so. This procedure will promote our system
I agree but is Bada out yet? I thought it was still under development. Im sure samsung will want to release versions of it out made completely by them before they release the source for open dev
iffrett said:
I agree but is Bada out yet? I thought it was still under development. Im sure samsung will want to release versions of it out made completely by them before they release the source for open dev
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hmmm
LOL!!!
Firstly we are on version 1.2 (the 1.x indicates stable) secondly its not open source. Where do you people come up with that stuff??
lol Bada on Galaxy S that will never happened
It might not happen, but I do believe it is possible. Galaxy S and Wave apparently share much of the same hardware so I wouldn't think it would be impossible to port. In my mind, I would think it would be easier to port Bada to the Galaxy S than it would to port Android to the Wave. All it would take is someone with the knowledge and motivation. But then again, I'm not a hacker or programmer so I will readily admit if I am wrong about this. Pipe dream or not, I think it would be a huge step forward if it happened.
Kill the topic guys, any developer will give you countless reasons why this is a pointless exercise.
sabianadmin said:
Kill the topic guys, any developer will give you countless reasons why this is a pointless exercise.
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Here it is, that wonderful spirit of adventurousness that makes life worth living. Why don't you explain to us some of the reasons that this is a pointless endeavor? I am not a programmer so please enlighten me. I like the idea of Bada being ported to the Galaxy S phones.
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Here it is, that wonderful spirit of adventurousness that makes life worth living. Why don't you explain to us some of the reasons that this is a pointless endeavor? I am not a programmer so please enlighten me. I like the idea of Bada being ported to the Galaxy S phones.
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Go off and look the other topics i have started. then come back and say that too me. This pointless because we are having a damn near impossible time porting Android over to the Wave even though the entire Galaxy line which has similar (but in many ways different) hardware. And thats with Android which has its source code readily available to any developer. Bada is for all intents and purpose, Closed source.
Samsung releasing the source code would do a hell of a lot for bada. So what if the code is not perfect, there would be a lot of new eyes looking at the code, suggestions and improvements will surely come...
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You know what..After Bada 2.0.1 is officially out and it supports s8500, I think there maybe a port which will take place to get bada on android! It is so cool man! But, at the same time, I see the Android 2.3.4 has many features and animations better that the bada 2.0.1. It is gonna be a tough choice on what you want! I own both bada as well as Android smartphones...So i would love to have bada on my wave and android on my Galaxy SL! I can clearly see the difference and the competition
They won't release bada sourcecode, never.
Releasing sourcecode means losing control over software.
Also, they are using proprietary libs of many companies, for example QuRam, releasing source would be very long and expensive process.
Its possible to patch bada 2.0 kernel without sourcecode to get it working on SGS. But I don't believe anyone will do it.
Even if we find out bada 2 is nice OS, almost nobody will want it instead of Android - no devs (nerds?) ready to spent hundreds hours of their time just because of being kind.
Me and some others tried it because i wanted to help get android onto your devices. It is next to impossible at this point. I hope newer releases will become a little better
I would not say its out of question. But then again we always want and strive to get what others say is impossible. Its what built XDA after all
So yes i still look into it..and try and try. Maybe one day
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They won't release bada sourcecode, never.
Releasing sourcecode means losing control over software.
Also, they are using proprietary libs of many companies, for example QuRam, releasing source would be very long and expensive process.
Its possible to patch bada 2.0 kernel without sourcecode to get it working on SGS. But I don't believe anyone will do it.
Even if we find out bada 2 is nice OS, almost nobody will want it instead of Android - no devs (nerds?) ready to spent hundreds hours of their time just because of being kind.
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i agree with you. at this stage i dont see any advantage of porting bada to galaxy. and yes there are two or three persons willing to have bada on it, but its not enough. maybe in future....
ok maybe, i would like see every os on every device, maybe this is a fact that everything makes sense, if everyone can choose everything it would be better, than i buy a device pay os license and if i dont like it use another. would be realy nice.
All things is't possible in development world
And it is July now
Here's the post I found http://archiverabhinav.blogspot.com/2011/04/samsung-bada-2-launch-announced-for.html
no wonder i have somewhere read that bada has in india 10 % of market, they are aming to countries that like bada, germany as i am using its firmwares will get it i think as last, the people there dont like bada and putting it down on every forum.
maybe it is better so, india has more oses to choose and we are sitting on only two to choose, yepee.
Lol that is old news
after that samsung shifted to september
kadavil said:
Lol that is old news
after that samsung shifted to september
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lol
as i remember they said on mwc that the sdk will come on july and bada 2.0 on september for wave and waveII.
and this news is from april. I dont know also the pictures are from this guy here that postet the first bada 2.0 pictures, this is not a long time ago.
In April, they said bada 2.0 will come to India in July..
few weeks later, a tweet from them said September
Thanks Kadavil for info..( btw are u the same kadavil who is on badaforums? )
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Thanks Kadavil for info..( btw are u the same kadavil who is on badaforums? )
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Yes..he is the same kadavil
Maybe they will launch the Wave 578 in July (with Bada 2.0) and the 2.0 FW for Wave and Wave II will be released in September.. That way.. both news will be true
What we can get earlier though is the public beta/ other country versions.
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Maybe they will launch the Wave 578 in July (with Bada 2.0) and the 2.0 FW for Wave and Wave II will be released in September.. That way.. both news will be true
What we can get earlier though is the public beta/ other country versions.
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Public beta wont be out yet
The closed beta is only about to start and everyone in it is bound by the TOC not to distribute it
Im in the closed beta and the 2.0 SDK is not yet out either so looking at September would be a good indication for the Beta to be out not the release
Well, As i see Bada 2.0 is much awaited. And, I think people who got Android on Wave are soon gonna throw away android and get Bada...Maybe there will be a port of bada into Samsung Galaxy
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Well, As i see Bada 2.0 is much awaited. And, I think people who got Android on Wave are soon gonna throw away android and get Bada...Maybe there will be a port of bada into Samsung Galaxy
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ha ha it will never happen be sure
lol it is currently happaning, everyone wants bada 2.0 on wave
larioteo said:
lol it is currently happaning, everyone wants bada 2.0 on wave
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Sure. Because of the leaked firmware. But we had the same when the first android build leaked... So I think it's just a matter of personal taste. I'm happy seeing the 2.0.1 leaked, and to be honest I like what I see on the videos. But I won't stop developing Android because of it...
maybe yes, why not? android has his supporters more than enough some bada hackers are always welcome. hack the kernel give us root rights, than you will be more than a hero man. the first person that hacked bada and not the 100000000 person that hacked android.
used bada 2.0 for two hours
liked it... but still want android
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hack the kernel give us root rights, than you will be more than a hero man.
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All is possible.
How would you define root rights? I'm not familiar with the API - what is that functionality that is not accessible?
We all need to be aware that any stick has two ends and privilege escalation may easily lead to malicious usage at some point.
what root rights, you don't have a plan man, why you need root rights? an app can write to media folder over an api that is secure, on android an app can send you data to anywhere with root rights, what is better? every app is possible, a little bit reading the documentation would help, and the protection that noone can hack the apps as easy is for developers a dream on android there are so many illegal stuff, that the small ones doesnt earn anything on it, everybody using android here wants to use illegal software and this is why android is crap, why to develop for such a os, for fun? some people needs to earn money with their coding, what can they say? they all going to ios cause there you can earn much more money, and bada 2.0 is the opponennt of ios not android, android is only a illegal container for me, no interesting stuff in, you must even install a packet counter app to know how much you use internet connection, realy unusable an os that cannot do what my old W800i could do.
Sorry, but I didn't get what you mean. I don't need root rights for anything. I'm not mobile developer, I do research for fun and I honestly don't crave for Android. I was referring to your previous post about bada hacking and just wanted to know what you mean. I definitively could use some reading of the documentation, but it would be by far more convenient if you just answered the question. I support initiatives where people sacrifice their time and don't get into fights between mobile platforms. I do not support warez and do not publish anything leading to developers losses. I can understand your irritation as you (from what I understand) code for living, but try to canalize the emotions in the other direction. I rephrase the question:
Is there a blocked functionality in bada that the developers could potentially use, but it is not usable without certain permissions or access to some resources?
OK rootrights would be in one point nice, to access the internal system and to do some major changes witout custom firmwares or stunes, that is all, if i want to change something or to add my email account backup this would be a nice solution for everyone, all other things i am also not interested in.
We'll see, but I don't suppose it to be a kindergarten play. I should have a bit more time for this in August. Maybe there will be some more Bada 2.0 firmwares to analyze by that time.
I was convinced some weeks back we'd never see Angry Birds for Bada. At least not in a time frame that would breath new life into the Bada app scene.
Then hell froze over and Angry Birds came out, but only for the Wave 3 and only for a few days. As is usual in the Samsung Bada disastersphere, an app just goes missing off the store with no explanation.
Now we've got Asphalt 6, Tintin, Hyperfight, and a few other Bada 2.0 only apps. Oddly most will on Bada 1.2, yet only can be downloaded for Wave 3 handsets. Keep in mind the Wave 3 handset only ever had Bada 2.0. Weird.
Anyway that got me thinking. I had a feeling maybe Samsung was holding back some apps for the release of the Wave 3. Maybe a good idea in their view, but a very poor one in mine. The Wave 3 will never sell as many handsets as the Wave II, let alone the Wave I. So nice move to go lockout all the previous Bada customers who put some faith in the OS, yet ended up again having waited for something and got... nothing.
I had wondered why there hadn't been any new apps from any of the big app companies for the best part of a whole year. Samsung seem to live in a world where they think people are prepared to wait endlessly while they fritter away time. It all makes sense now. Wipe the slate clean, and consider the Wave 1+2 as being testbeds. The Wave 3 is then ready to rule to world in their eyes. Thus they kept back these marque apps to help launch their Wave 3.
The problem is I still don't see any movement from app developers. Things are moving way to slow for any momentum to be made or for the early 8500 momentum to be kept going.
No matter how good Bada 2.0 is, Samsung simply cannot get anything done in a timely manner. It's not as though, hey guys we're sorry we need to polish a few things, and then it explodes all in an awesome way. No it'll be the same as we've all experienced so far. Waiting, promises of soon, leaks of things that will never get released, and enough carrots to keep people around just that little bit longer. But really it's sad a great handset has been killed by incredibly bad app store management, the slowness in how things were released, or even it at all. The low number of ported apps hurt the Wave as well. It's not that hard for a proper app company to port an app from the iOS/Android. I mean they get to use all the same art/sounds and most of the internal game code. So it has to come down to them not expressing interest, been turned off by Samsungs app policies or not seeing Bada as worth their time / or worth investing in a sinking/dying OS.
Bada 2.0 is goog enough to be the 3rd best phone OS imho. But the lack of apps ie. Skype will mean it will fail until such a time as Samsung either ditch it (Tizen perhaps?) or realise they do need to get marque apps and ports happening in abundance. At the end of the day I wouldn't care if I was using an iOS/Android or Bada phone as long as I was given a nice wide app selection. But I'm sick of this waiting feeling knowing we're just sitting there in the rowboat with no oars heading towards the falls.
At this point unless things change, people are already actually ditching their Waves and heading over to iOS/Android. I still hope the BadaDroid project turns out to be a success, but if not, in time I'm not going to give a toss and will just get a proper phone instead of using a phone that could have been one of the greats, but was knee capped at every opportunity to make it a failure.
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Too much input for my little brain.
BUTTTtttt, please stop crying...
There are several solutions available NOW AND in progress...
Please, don't be LAZY or crying whole day like an baby...
This S A C K z.
Move your bu ehm brain and use it...
Summary. You can download AND install S8600 Apps...
This is forum to bypass problems or find solution.
This is NOT wait for solution forum. Or wimpy and lazy chat forum...
All days like an little 5 years old girl in pink outfit...
Technical discussion of Bada development and hacking. No noobs please.
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Please moderators, can someone add text... NO crying.
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I totally agree with Adfree
Please develop apps , Think how stuff work & Try to train your brain
At the end you will be able to hack the system
Also remember bada is not going around Angry birds....S8600 apps are installable on WVGA devices....Every system is not totally secure even PS3
Just please try to understand
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I think you guys missed the point. I'm well aware of the workarounds and ways to get apps to "work". My point is it's disappointing that it comes to this. It's not as though there are 1000s of apps for the S8600 and with workarounds you can make em all work on the 8500. I'm totally ok with that. The problem is we aren't getting the apps in the first place. I've spent plenty of time helping others create programs and solutions for the Wave over the past year and a half.
My enthusiasm is waning if I'm being honest about this whole Bada experience. The amount of time and energy spent to even get a proper Skype on the Wave would have been better spent working a few extra hours and buying a proper Android phone. I see Bada now as nothing more than a dike full of holes. I've already used up all my fingers to plug them and it's still leaking.
Oh and maybe guys at least make the effort to read someones full post before assuming they are a lazy noob crybaby. Best Regards.
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I totally agree with Adfree
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Well I don't agree!
You guys are at the point of almost saying "well if you don't get firmware updates often enough and if you don't get enough useful apps, start developing your own and hack your phone and scratch your left ear with your right hand going over your head.."
What would be next? Build your own hardware if you don't like the specifications? Isn't that a bit.. hmm, how should I say it... CRAZY?
Is that why you took the money out of your pocket and gave it to Samsung? To get some piece of hardware and start banging your head against the wall each day on how to actually do something with it?
If things were to ever change, they would change because of "5 year old girls in pink outfits crying" and saying "Samsung, we paid you so deliver or GTFO of the marketplace". Not because of "cool computer whizzes" spending nights in their room hacking their phone to make it smart.
Fact: compared to 2010, in 2011 Samsung mobile phone sales increased by ~7% reaching 300.000.000 units (8.000.000 running Bada and we know how things are on this side..)
Fact: compared to 2010, in 2011 Samsung's profit increased by 73% (I don't think that's due to entry level phones - since a 7% volume increase gives you a 73% profit increase that means you sold more expensive phones than the previous year)
Fact: the Galaxy S1 which was the flagship until not long ago won't get the last Android update because Samsung doesn't care about it anymore. It sells the S2 now.. So it motives dropping the support for the S1 by saying it doesn't have enough memory, even though manufacturers like HTC or LG (apparently) did manage to find a compromise and squeeze the extra resources on configurations similar to those of the Galaxy S1.
Although I agree with what KrazyKong is trying to say here, adfree is right. This is the "Bada Software and Hacking General" forum. This is the place where people get off their butts (metaphorically ) and actually do something. If you want ti complain about Samsungs disregard for Bada, there are plenty of other forums where you can do that.
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Summary. You can download AND install S8600 Apps...
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Yeah, how? (I wrote you a letter I dunno you get it or not) I'm a noob in programming, so if you tell us step-by-step how to install S8600 apps on your Wave S8500 handset that would be lovely.
Ok guys
Stop Asking how to get S8600 Apps
Making a developer/hacker angry won't be nice
Please try the other way...I mean hacking Kies to make it connect S8500 as S8600
Please try to use your brain...If you are a regular user just step back and let real developers and hackers do their job
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Now we've got Asphalt 6, Tintin, Hyperfight, and a few other Bada 2.0 only apps.
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Tintin NOT runs under bada 1.2 ...
Asphalt also not bada 1.x compatible...
Hyperfight you can run under bada 1.0
You can find some answers here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1345375
Please... at the moment I'll try to find solution to use Kies.
So I have no time to answer every PM...
Best Regards
adfree said:
Tintin NOT runs under bada 1.2 ...
Asphalt also not bada 1.x compatible...
Hyperfight you can run under bada 1.0
You can find some answers here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1345375
Please... at the moment I'll try to find solution to use Kies.
So I have no time to answer every PM...
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What about angry birds?
What about angry birds?
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No idea...
It was only VERY, very short for S8600 available...
Then "they" removed this Game from store.
Only h.e.ll and Samsung knows why...
If again available... we will see.
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once removed from store apps never return
examples of past:_ brucelee, kroll etc
Don't be angry too...
In German we have:
Alles wird gut.
Heavy Metal Music for little bit relaxing and crying if you like.
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now fruit ninja disappears from indian appstore
waveboy said:
now fruit ninja disappears from indian appstore
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yes, i wanted to download it today in college and it was missing
hi guys ....i just moved from wildfire to wave 2 .....sooooo
do you advise upgrading my wave 2 from bada 1.2 to 2.0?
I would have advised staying with your wildfire, but anyway I'd suggest making sure you know which specific device you have and if it's locked or has specific modem requirements before flashing 2.0, for example, you said wave 2, do you mean S8530 or the other mid-low range bada phone?
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I too agree with KrazyKong. He puts his finger right on the button in pointing out the way samsung deal with their app store...
Agreed, Adfree points out XDA is a place where we can effectively get off our arses but I think we at XDA aren't 'normal' phone users. How many of us are 'that guy(or girl) that knows telephones' ?
Also ask yourself this, what percentage of iPhone users tinker as we do with our phones? Oh and do Apple or Google for that matter bugger about with their app store as do Samsung ?
It's Samsung that are entirely to blame for the non-success of Bada.
The reason there's no Skype, blame Samsung.
No Angry Birds, Blame Samsung.
I do however give them credit for leaking firmware, If only they would leak more precise information about their modem
Cheers
Hi everyone,
I started this on Sammobile yesterday (where it is already a sticky). Also, german site Badania has wrote about it now, too. The petition is not started yet, this is only for collecting ideas and knowing about your opinions. Recently there was some 'news' saying that the Wave 3 source code was made open source, which turned out to be untrue (the file released by Samsung was only 130kB big). Big letdown for many of us, and Wave 1/2 source codes were not even mentioned.
The current situation
The thing is, at least the Wave 1/2 users desperately need an open source release to continue enjoying their devices. Both devices are great hardware, they have a big community and developers willing to put in some ellbow grease, but, we don't have the means to fix certain stuff, only Samsung has. You might think about the trouble upgrading Samsung Apps and the trouble with push and SHP in general that many Wave users have experienced in the last few weeks and months. You might think about all the small annoyances that you users ask us CFW developers to fix everyday (but we can't). You may also think of the BadaDroid project, and the tons of work put into developing a working modem driver, still with nothing to show to the public until now.
The last official Wave 1 FW is from July (with little to none improvements over the January XXLA1 release), the last official Wave 2 FW is even older. Some of you think (and with a reason) that Samsung themselves are not willing to do any more updates or fixes for these two devices. They have, more or less officialy, abandoned these devices and are not willing to put in any more work. We, as a community, on the other hand are willing to work on these - without pay even -, but our hands and feet are bound behind our backs due to the Wave 1/2 being closed source. Don't be fooled by our recent successes (design changes, ported chinese keyboard and quickpanel) - reverse engineering is like stumbling through the dark in an unknown environment, and eventually we will come to a standstill. With Bada being closed source, we will always lag behind the likes of Android.
Samsung themselves are no strangers to the idea of openness. They plan to make Tizen an open source project, they also develop highly succesfull Android devices and they also did at least say that they are interested in releasing the Wave 3 source code. Also, they are just now planning a big company image overhaul, with a new logo and a new policy of more openness. But, if nothing is done, they will just forget about the 'old' Wave 1/2 devices - guaranteed.
So, what now?
This is where you, the users, the developers, the mods, the bloggers, everyone in the Bada community come in. I've been playing around for a while with the idea of starting a petition for exactly this: To ask Samsung to release in full the Wave 1/2/3 (or for even more Wave devices) source codes. But wait, don't rush things now!
We need a big, coordinated effort, spanning all the Bada sites around the globe.
We need the petition to operate from a site that's easy to use for everyone (that means no complicated signup and no shady stuff), and we need the petition's text to be multi-lingual, translated in all the languages of all Bada countries: german, turkish, azerbaijani, arabic, polish, czech, french, italian, spanish, and a lot that I have forgotten about. We need a great, short text (not as long as this one) for the petition, so that everyone knows even from a quick glance the why's and the uses of such a petition.
We also need supporters, people willinng to spread the word on other sites, especially the big ones such as XDA or Bada-Turkiye, but also the smaller ones. We need every voice, and we need as many people in this as possible.
We need to give Samsung the choice to either publicly let down thousands of customers, or just, finally, give us the source code that we have been waiting for for so long.
Further proceeding - my suggestion
Now, this is what I suggest now:
Don't rush things - we should be collecting ideas for at least a week until we even think about actually starting a petition.
If you're willing to support this case, spread the word or even find more supporters, let us know here.
Double points if you're also a member of some non-english-speaking Bada community .
If you have any additional ideas or concerns, also let us know - this is what this thread is for, to collect ideas and coordinate this.
We need a good short english text for the petition itself (I may come up with something later myself).
We need translations for this text in as many languages as possible. And, no, I'm not thinking about Google translations, but about the good old manual ones.
Looking forward to your opinions!
Big sorry.
But this petition can only Santa Claus make true...
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Samsung is not alone patent holder...
Wave 1-3 use Qualcomm Hardware AND Software...
So Qualcomm patents affected...
Nearly same stuff is in hundrets of devices from other manufacturer too, because also Qualcomm...
Not only Qualcomm... think about Quram...
Security and Compression Algos...
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Place holder...
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i agree this Samsung release the source code wave 1 2 3
Maybe we should think about making the petition not only about Samsung, but also about Qualcomm and Quram. Hopes for Modem drivers and the like might be slim, but chances are we'll get a step forward, at least being able to do something more. I think Bada libraries source codes are well within the realm of possibility, and we could already do a lot with them.
Also... what else could we do now, hoping to keep the Wave 1/2 development alive?
BTW: Christmas might also be a good time to make our wishes come true .
http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-we-want-a-good-working-bada-for-all-devices#
Why not continue this petition...
with 1,435 supporters
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adfree said:
http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-we-want-a-good-working-bada-for-all-devices#
Why not continue this petition...
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That would be a good thing, but - I don't think that we will get Samsung to fix it themselves, and the petitions text is not clear about alternatives such as open sourcing. I think it's a different thing.
Hi Guys...
I am a writer from Badaforums.net.
1 month back,we planed to file petition for open source bada and we got good response.
but,after sometime we dropped the plan as we needed some reliable(and known) person to file the petition.
we have a draft ready for the petition...if u want,u all can have a look at this...
we can use this to file petition if u want...I can give the text file(only to reliable person)...
link is as below :
http ://www.badaforums.net/forums/announces/petition-request-samsung-support-bada-update-t7183.html (Refer Image)
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WaveGuru
Nice...
You mean the attached one?
I hope, it is okay, that I added your portal as Supprter at our article as official supporter...
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Nice...
You mean the attached one?
I hope, it is okay, that I added your portal as Supprter at our article as official supporter...
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Yes,its OK.
I don't remember whether this is the final draft or not(have to search my machine ) ,but we can use the final one.
but,before that we need to gather support from all sites.
and BTW,Badaforums is not my portal...i am just writer of that forum
Regards,
WaveGuru
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Hi Guys...
I am a writer from Badaforums.net.
1 month back,we planed to file petition for open source bada and we got good response.
but,after sometime we dropped the plan as we needed some reliable(and known) person to file the petition.
we have a draft ready for the petition...if u want,u all can have a look at this...
we can use this to file petition if u want...I can give the text file(only to reliable person)...
link is as below :
http ://www.badaforums.net/forums/announces/petition-request-samsung-support-bada-update-t7183.html (Refer Image)
Regards,
WaveGuru
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Nice! I would, however, suggest to make this a bit shorter. People seem to be too lazy to read these times . Also, set the accent on the Open Source release and include Qualcomm in the petitions recipients list. Although this may sound pessimistic, I'm amost sure that Samsung themselves won't do any development or OS updates for the Wave 1/2 (and smaller Waves) themselves.
I guess I should give some more details. Also, for those too lazy too read the whole text: Just jump to the paragraph that answers your question.
What is this about?
We want to ask Samsung to release the source codes for the Wave 1/2/3 firmwares and Qualcomm to release the accompanying hardware drivers (the Qualcomm part is an additional proposal by me).
Why is this important? / Why should I promote this or participate?
For me personally, this is something of a last hope, especially for the Wave 1/2 devices. I should know being a CFW developer myself: With what we got now, we just don't get far, and there's tons of stuff that we just can't fix (because we don't know how it works, because we can't do any changes... etc). Also, think about the BadaDroid project, which will likely get a big boost from a source code release (modem driver, anyone?). Without the open sourcing we will eventually come to standstill, and that point is not too far in the future.
Why now? / How is this different from earlier petitions?
First of all: This is the first petition specifically made to ask Samsung to release the source code. Now is a good time for this, because Samsung is planning a complete brand makeover over thenext few weeks and months. With this brand makeover comes a new policy of openness, which can only be good for this petition to reach its goal.
"The Wave 3 Bada OS is already open source." / "They'll release anyways because of Open Source Tizen."
I can assure you, it is not. Although this news was on several big Bada news site during the last two weeks, the news turned out to be untrue. The file provided by Samsung is only 130kB big and contains something, but not the Wave 3 source code. It is worse for the Wave 1 and Wave 2 devices, cause these two will be just forgotten about if we don't act. Remember, Tizen is only planned for the Wave 3, and I'm not even sure if that is official.
"This won't work."
Of course, you won't have any guarantees this will work, even if you participate or promote this. The alternative - doing nothing of the like and just hoping for the best - won't most likely do you any good either (read the second paragraph for my personal opinion). Also, we're open to suggestions on how to do this the best way. We want the whole Bada community in this, and we want to listen to your opinions and proposals.
We already have supporters such as german site Badania.de, czech site mojebada.cz, US based site badaforums.net and we're in good hopes of getting even more of the big and smaller ones to support us. This is planned to be a big global effort.
"The modem driver is owned by Qualcomm, not Samsung."
So, you're interested in BadaDroid development specifically? That's right, and that's also the reason why I'm suggesting to add Qualcomm to the petitions recipient list.
Quram algorithms sourcecode is what they sell, so they won't publish it.
Qualcomm AMSS sourcecode - forget it.
Parts of Samsung SHP source - maybe, but from my experience with Samsung HQ I wouldn't count on much. ;P
If we all want to start with this petition,we have to start early and with full proof plan.
but,we will need support from whole bada community and many sites.
I am ready to help...with my blogging and ideas...
Regards,
WaveGuru
We of badaos.net (Iranian Bada forum) are ready to sign the petition. Our forum has 20,000 users (about 3000 active)
Thanks everyone for their support!
Waveguru and nip_miniw, can we add you to the list of official supporters? Maybe also your sites (badaforums.net and badaos.net)? And, don't think wrong if it has gotten a little bit silent here, we're still working on this! But, we also still need more supporters.
If you're willing to help, post here, please.
Rebellos said:
Quram algorithms sourcecode is what they sell, so they won't publish it.
Qualcomm AMSS sourcecode - forget it.
Parts of Samsung SHP source - maybe, but from my experience with Samsung HQ I wouldn't count on much. ;P
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You're 100% right about the Quram (QMG images, anyone?) source codes, and probably about the Qualcomm AMSS source code, too. But, with your new low level BadaDroid modem driver - would we even need the Qualcomm source anymore? Also, for the rest, I think anything will help, right?
k8500 said:
Thanks everyone for their support!
Waveguru and nip_miniw, can we add you to the list of official supporters? Maybe also your sites (badaforums.net and badaos.net)? And, don't think wrong if it has gotten a little bit silent here, we're still working on this! But, we also still need more supporters.
If you're willing to help, post here, please.
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I think I can help too,,
I have a little group named BadaIL, we rleased 5 roms until today..
what can I do?
k8500 said:
Thanks everyone for their support!
Waveguru and nip_miniw, can we add you to the list of official supporters? Maybe also your sites (badaforums.net and badaos.net)? And, don't think wrong if it has gotten a little bit silent here, we're still working on this! But, we also still need more supporters.
If you're willing to help, post here, please.
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What should we do as an official supporter?
k8500 said:
Thanks everyone for their support!
Waveguru and nip_miniw, can we add you to the list of official supporters? Maybe also your sites (badaforums.net and badaos.net)? And, don't think wrong if it has gotten a little bit silent here, we're still working on this! But, we also still need more supporters.
If you're willing to help, post here, please.
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Hi k8500,
I am ready to help u all.I also have a plan in place.if you want,we can discuss this over PM.
but,I believe that making Bada as an open source should be one of the thing in petition.
we should also need to ask Samsung to provide us bugfree bada...as current bada firmware is not bugfree.
if we can't play HD games with current firmware...if we need to switch off our wave every time to clear ram...then its Samsung DUTY to provide us bugfree OS which they promised.
As many said that this will not change anything... Samsung will not do this...
It will be Samsung's decision whether they want to provide their customer bug free product or not ...but as a customer...as a money payer...I want to try to make Samsung realize that what they are doing is not RIGHT.
Thanks and Regards,
WaveGuru
I think...
At first we need an overview, who will officially support this petition...
We (badaNIA) will definitely do so...
Need name of plattform and contact infos...
Its an appeal to Every Bada site to join in and just do something for Bada Community. Today as soon as the Facebook,twitter, YouTube and google+ page of Samsung gets the update of Samsung Galaxy S4,we will start our movement.
What we have to do
If you are the first one to comment on that Page then just write. “We want Tizen for Samsung wave” And write your demands as you wrote on our site. Then like your own comment and After that see if their is any similar comment on top that is having many likes then like that comment too.
If Samsung starts deleting our comments then everyone should post their comment after every hour if possible. So that there are too many comments to so get irritated and finally answer to or quires. Also spread this news across technology sites like eg cnet ,engadget, tech2 or any other sites so that we can get some media attention.
FACEBOOK PAGE: HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/SAMSUNGMOBILE
Youtube Page: http://www.youtube.com/SamsungMobile
Twitter Page :https://twitter.com/SamsungMobile
Google Plus :https://plus.google.com/+SamsungMobile/posts
Please this is our last chance to do anything for our samsung wave devices so please try your best and try to involve some of your friends so that we can get what we want.
Hope This Works and Samsung answers our question and Brings Tizen to Samsung wave devices.
Source: http://badahub.com/2013/03/we-want-tizen-for-samsung-wave-movement-starts.html
But Tizen is at the moment bul.s..., because NOT finally finished nor released for public market.
Btw... Tizen seems Hardware hungry for more RAM...
We can't upgrade our RAM in Wave...
This is 1 of K.O. Points...
Second Kick in the Face...
You will likely see the first smartphone using Tizen from Samsung in the third quarter of this year.
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In S.ms.ng time this means end of 2013... Maybe Christmas time...
Maybe 2014...
What we do with our Waves over 6 months...
Btw...
How many petitions you can remember with success? for bada...
Good luck.
Not gonna work. They will delete the posts. Simple as that. The last resort for our waves is only BADADROID or maybe Tizen Port ?
must tizen
we must tizen
tizen is not needed for wave 1 and 2. android is almost finished
GreekBlood said:
tizen is not needed for wave 1 and 2. android is almost finished
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The goal of the protest is not necessarily Tizen, but any kind of support we deserve.
7.5 million new customers in the second half of 2012 were abandoned by Samsung!
Better its ask Wave source
Tizen or Bada ?
Prefered they continue Bada !!!
S4...S3....S2....galaxy will reach S75 maybe....but what about BADA,what about TIZEN?????What about me and some other million people????
This is my post on Samsung's facebook page
Tigrouzen said:
Better its ask Wave source
Tizen or Bada ?
Prefered they continue Bada !!!
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As I Said,
The goal of the protest is not necessarily Tizen, but any kind of support we deserve.
7.5 million new customers in the second half of 2012 were abandoned by Samsung!