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[Q]Let ARC auto turn off when 0% battery is dangerous ?

I'm a new and I don't know if let Arc from x% to 0% batterry (Ex : you are watching movies and listen to music then go to over sleep) and Arc auto turn off --> Arc will be damage ?.
With your experience, would you let me know about this
Thanks !

well from looking at one angle it might cause u serious problem..but if u have an external charger then u can charge and use your phone
dont let lithium batteries to drain till single digits..keep them charging whenever u get a chance

Maybe if you have a custom ROM, my arc s has turned off by itself from low battery and i just recharged until it was strong enough to boot into the homescreen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
Prolonging battery pack life
Avoid deep discharge and instead charge more often between uses, the smaller the depth of discharge, the longer the battery will last.
Avoid storing the battery in full discharged state. As the battery will self-discharge over time, its voltage will gradually lower, and when it is depleted below the low-voltage threshold (2.4 to 2.9 V/cell, depending on chemistry) it cannot be charged anymore because the protection circuit (a type of electronic fuse) disables it.
Lithium-ion batteries should be kept cool; they may be stored in a refrigerator.
The rate of degradation of Lithium-ion batteries is strongly temperature-dependent; they degrade much faster if stored or used at higher temperatures.
The rate of degradation of Lithium-ion batteries is also related to battery charge level; they degrade much faster when at 100% charge, than at lower charges. Since batteries die if deep discharged (depleted) and since a battery has some self-discharge it is frequently recommended to store batteries at 40% charge level.
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I hope that tells you the answer.
if you leave it @ 0% for any extended period you run the risk of it never taking charge again. i have done this to countless (not phone) batteries by accident and i can tell you that it is 100% true.
Pvy.

I didn't know that tnx for sharing.This XDA is a good thing,we find some usefull stuffs here,tnx guys.
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so basically, it is dangerous to leave it at both 0% and 100%?

d3FytH3m1Nd said:
so basically, it is dangerous to leave it at both 0% and 100%?
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Yes and no lol. Basically using your battery is the best thing you can do.
Pvy
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I better starting to treat my battery better then, haha..
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If you let it die it may give you a hard time getting it charged again. It needs a certain amount of power to boot the phone to a state where it can check the battery and start the charger. I have killed mine a couple times and had a few tense hours trying to get it charging again. So it is best not to let the battery die completely
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SL_Don said:
If you let it die it may give you a hard time getting it charged again. It needs a certain amount of power to boot the phone to a state where it can check the battery and start the charger. I have killed mine a couple times and had a few tense hours trying to get it charging again. So it is best not to let the battery die completely
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Thanks for your experience. But android don't have any soft auto turn off phone when battery is 10-15% ?

Besides the main battery power, there is also a reserve power when the battery is discharged. If the reserve is depleted, the battery will be completely discharged and cannot be used at all. Prolonged full discharge of the battery will shorten its working life.
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Why does Phone Idle use so much power even though Nexus is in Flight more

My Nexus is currently at 50% battery life. Of the 50% that went by, the two highest contributers are screen on (50%) and phone idle (20%). All this time, the phone has been on airplane more (with wifi). Why is phone idle so high?

TSGM said:
My Nexus is currently at 50% battery life. Of the 50% that went by, the two highest contributers are screen on (50%) and phone idle (20%). All this time, the phone has been on airplane more (with wifi). Why is phone idle so high?
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Could be an app/process waking the phone. For more advanced battery usage troubleshooting, try an app like BetterBatteryStats.

Petrovski80 said:
Could be an app/process waking the phone. For more advanced battery usage troubleshooting, try an app like BetterBatteryStats.
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Could very well be this! I installed Google Wallet yesterday and I did notice some drain from this app. Better battery stats tells me it's contributed to 2 hours! I'm going to force close and wipe the apps data.
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TSGM said:
My Nexus is currently at 50% battery life. Of the 50% that went by, the two highest contributers are screen on (50%) and phone idle (20%). All this time, the phone has been on airplane more (with wifi). Why is phone idle so high?
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Phone idle is so high because your phone hasn't otherwise used any power. Even just sitting around is going to use some juice, hence the high percentage attributed to idle. Since you haven't really used it, other processes shouldn't have consumed as much.
Look at it in perspective. Your battery stats are going to tally up to 100%, or reasonably close. If absolutely nothing else at all consumed any power whatsoever, phone idle would show 100%.
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najaboy said:
Phone idle is so high because your phone hasn't otherwise used any power. Even just sitting around is going to use some juice, hence the high percentage attributed to idle. Since you haven't really used it, other processes shouldn't have consumed as much.
Look at it in perspective. Your battery stats are going to tally up to 100%, or reasonably close. If absolutely nothing else at all consumed any power whatsoever, phone idle would show 100%.
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Exactly this!
If you feel that the phone gets more battery life, you shouldn't worry. It's normal.
If you feel that the phone consumes more battery (Hence lower battery life), then check betterbatterystat or CPUspy, just in case it the phone isn't getting those deep sleeps.

[Q] Questions about battery life.

-Does keeping the phone plugged in via USB (when battery is at 100%) decrease battery life?
-Approximately how long should the battery last if the phone idles? If the screen is on 24/7?
-Are these batteries any good compared to the stock one?

IamaznX said:
-Does keeping the phone plugged in via USB (when battery is at 100%) decrease battery life?
-Approximately how long should the battery last if the phone idles? If the screen is on 24/7?
-Are these batteries any good compared to the stock one?
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1.) Plugging in the phone while charged does decrease the battery life as you can only charge a battery for lets say 1000 cycles or so.
2.) Battery life depends on how long you use your phone, your ROM so I couldn't say. But my phone with the screen on lasts about 8 hours (SGH-T989)
3.) Check the reviews, it has five stars so I would assume that the battery is pretty good.

nivekx9 said:
1.) Plugging in the phone while charged does decrease the battery life as you can only charge a battery for lets say 1000 cycles or so.
2.) Battery life depends on how long you use your phone, your ROM so I couldn't say. But my phone with the screen on lasts about 8 hours (SGH-T989)
3.) Check the reviews, it has five stars so I would assume that the battery is pretty good.
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Is losing about 30% battery life overnight (about 7 hours) with the screen off normal?

IamaznX said:
Is losing about 30% battery life overnight (about 7 hours) with the screen off normal?
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Ehh I wouldn't think so...unless something is waking it up every now and then like a app or something...I normally loose about 10% if that if I let it sit over night
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IamaznX said:
Is losing about 30% battery life overnight (about 7 hours) with the screen off normal?
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Not at all. I would use a battery monitor app to see what's draining the battery because that's very excessive drainage.
I can't imagine how much it drains when you're actually using it...

what rom/kernel are you using?

I agree with what others here have said, but just to add a little something, I heard that for the best battery "life" its best to try and keep it between 20% to 90%. Don't quote me, I heard it on one of those YouTube tech channels, I wonder if that is true. I always thought that it was best to completely kill the battery and then fully charge it.
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inocent3 said:
I agree with what others here have said, but just to add a little something, I heard that for the best battery "life" its best to try and keep it between 20% to 90%. Don't quote me, I heard it on one of those YouTube tech channels, I wonder if that is true. I always thought that it was best to completely kill the battery and then fully charge it.
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That's for a new battery. Only for a couple full cycles. Else it's best to charge when you hit 15-20 and charge uninterrupted to 100.
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Charging at night?

Is it safe to charging at night, if it's not, what will it do to the battery?
Customer service always tells me to charge it just for 3-4 hours, but I have difficulty with that since I get home late and I leave early, but I still manage to get a full battery without it charging overnight but I would just like to know
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kevinrubio1 said:
Is it safe to charging at night, if it's not, what will it do to the battery?
Customer service always tells me to charge it just for 3-4 hours, but I have difficulty with that since I get home late and I leave early, but I still manage to get a full battery without it charging overnight but I would just like to know
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.

lordcheeto03 said:
I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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Hmm that's weird, but from the sounds of that, I don't think it's healthy for the battery to charge for a long time
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lordcheeto03 said:
I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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lalec said:
Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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That thread is perfect! I would use it but I need notifications to notify me but I did use it for a night! Amazing difference
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lalec said:
Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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I do use that guide. My signal is terrible and is what drains my battery. I really don't believe that is related to any app running wild and draining my battery because from completely dead to 100% takes about 2.5-3 hours with me using it, WiFi on, brightness at 100%, etc; I can also easily get over 2 days without a charge with light use... It would be more but my lack of signal accounts for an almost 1.5% per hour idle drain. Good signal areas I'll drain less than .5% per hour with no use/app changes outside of having a strong signal.

Weird...
When your phone charges to 100%, your phone knows to stop charging, mine always stops charging when is says "reached 100%". I just leave it on the charger and it stays steady at 100 until i take it off.
It shouldn't effect the lithium ion, either.
I thought that was the special thing about lithium ion?
They don't wear down?
Idk, could be wrong.
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Overnight charging is a no no. More info here http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries

I always leave it charging when I fall asleep. And if, IF I wake up in the middle of my sleep and see that it's at 100% I'll unplug it. If I don't wake-up I'll just leave it charging until I wake up. Been doing that since before I even had a smartphone and never had any problems. Then again I do switch phones every year
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lordcheeto03 said:
I do use that guide. My signal is terrible and is what drains my battery. I really don't believe that is related to any app running wild and draining my battery because from completely dead to 100% takes about 2.5-3 hours with me using it, WiFi on, brightness at 100%, etc; I can also easily get over 2 days without a charge with light use... It would be more but my lack of signal accounts for an almost 1.5% per hour idle drain. Good signal areas I'll drain less than .5% per hour with no use/app changes outside of having a strong signal.
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A bad signal will definitely drain your battery. When I know I am in an area without signal and will be there for a few hours I turn my phone's power off so I have some battery left when I need it.
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I've always charged my phone at night and have never had usages with the battery.
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Bought some cheap batteries on Amazon, I charge whenever I want, however I want (typically overnight, all night). If I ruin the battery, so be it, I can just pop it out and replace it in 5 seconds. This is the real advantage of having a removable battery.

I've always left my smartphones on the charger overnight. Seven years going and haven't had any issues. I do tend to replace my battery after 9-12 months of use though.
lordcheeto03 said:
I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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This sums it up. Per the article linked earlier in the thread about charging li-ion, it sounds (relatively) trivial for the device manufacturer to implement a charging cut-off after the cells reach a specific voltage level. Once the cells drop to a certain level they're safe to charge again, and the cycle starts over. I don't imagine it's great for the battery to sit on that recharge cycle, but it's not going to over-charge and become a fire hazard.
I imagine external battery chargers might be a little different. That $3 battery & charger from eBay isn't going to have the same safety regulations as a major manufacturer like Samsung.

norml said:
Overnight charging is a no no. More info here http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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An interesting tidbit from that article.
Li-ion does not need to be fully charged, as is the case with lead acid, nor is it desirable to do so. In fact, it is better not to fully charge, because high voltages stresses the battery.
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I'm pretty sure a $600 phone can handle any of your charging blunders. Relax kid.
We're not dealing with Nokia's anymore.
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Avoiding full charge has benefits, and some manufacturers set the charge threshold lower on purpose to prolong battery life.
Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries

tikay00 said:
I'm pretty sure a $600 phone can handle any of your charging blunders. Relax kid.
We're not dealing with Nokia's anymore.
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All the other comments say not to charge over night...
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I charge mine overnight with no issues.
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I just called Samsung and they highly recommend me to not charge it over night
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norml said:
Avoiding full charge has benefits, and some manufacturers set the charge threshold lower on purpose to prolong battery life.
Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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I get the general concepts that the article presents, but it doesn't really address any advances in charging methodologies that newer devices could add. It reads like it was designed for 'dumb' devices such as cordless phones, rechargable power tools, etc. For instance, it says never to charge with the device powered on. Yet Windows Phones (at least my Lumia 800) won't charge with the device off...plugging it in automatically boots the phone up.
Our phones obviously have more advanced power circuitry, such as being able to hold the power button in and have the device power cycle no matter what state the phone is in, and I assume it applies to other parts of the phone as well.

20 minutes at 100% charge.

Hello everyone,
I observed a strange behavior of my arc s , when the phone reaches 100% charge and later when i unplug it my phone spends almost 20 minutes at this point and after some time it starts to discharge ie. it comes down by 1%.
But if i use it hear after it discharges rapidly.
I find this behavior very odd !
Can anyone explain me this behavior ???
Thank you in advance.
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Check battery use
Check battery use to see what is consuming the battery
Maybe WIFI and sleep policy,Bluetooth,Network type WCDMA/GSM ,GPS and accounts sync ?
Observe the diagram or the slope in the battery use to see is your battery draining fast or is it normal,also what rom and kernel are you using

Isn't that the normal behaviour of a battery coming from a smartphone? .-. Mine's like.. 20 minutes on 100% before starting going down, and it doesn't affect my overall battery life at all..

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Phenomzye said:
Isn't that the normal behaviour of a battery coming from a smartphone? .-. Mine's like.. 20 minutes on 100% before starting going down, and it doesn't affect my overall battery life at all..
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try to change kernel and rom / buy new battery

Im using maxmod ICS(V 1.1) and stock kernel.
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kzizo said:
Check battery use to see what is consuming the battery
Maybe WIFI and sleep policy,Bluetooth,Network type WCDMA/GSM ,GPS and accounts sync ?
Observe the diagram or the slope in the battery use to see is your battery draining fast or is it normal,also what rom and kernel are you using
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I have observed all of that.
Everything is fine, as the display uses the battery predominantly.
My guess is that is a sign for use to change the battery.
And also i see spikes in chart instead of going down the charge goes up and down.
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how old is the battery?
how old is the battery ?if the spike goes up that means it is connected to USB and the phone is charging .attached is my battery usage 7 % in 11 hours the slope is continuously going down as it's been unplugged and running on battery only ,phone and battery are a year and half old

The "spikes" you refer to are because your battery isnt well calibrated...
You can charge it fully, use it and when its around 5% charge it again to full. And if you delete the battery stats your battery must sette down over some day or two.
But for a better response you need to upload a picture of your battery stats.
My battery sometimes stays in 100% some minutes, some other times is goes down to 99 very quicky, but its normal for me cause it usually lengths for two days + with normal use

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The "spikes" you refer to are because your battery isnt well calibrated...
You can charge it fully, use it and when its around 5% charge it again to full. And if you delete the battery stats your battery must sette down over some day or two.
But for a better response you need to upload a picture of your battery stats.
My battery sometimes stays in 100% some minutes, some other times is goes down to 99 very quicky, but its normal for me cause it usually lengths for two days + with normal use
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Thank you.
I will calibrate and put the graph after usage.
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kzizo said:
how old is the battery ?if the spike goes up that means it is connected to USB and the phone is charging .attached is my battery usage 7 % in 11 hours the slope is continuously going down as it's been unplugged and running on battery only ,phone and battery are a year and half old
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Its a year old.
Yes i totally agree the oly time the graph should go up is when its plugged in and not wen unplugged.
But i sometimes see the spikes when unplugged.
Nevertheless it has not degraded the performance.
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i agree with 17_Angel,upload a picture of your battery stats.