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I feel bad for this phone....really bad

I hate posting needless threads....and Hate reading them as well, but I have to get this off my chest. Since two months before the release of this phone the number of anticipation threads on EVERY forum I frequent was overwhelming...but I respect that. I love tech and love people who love it.
Since the actual release I have developed a huge amount of disgust for the people who obtain these phones and who help along the thought that a device like the iPhone is a superior device. I am completely blown away by the level of baseless expectation for a PHONE.
Android has always been a "techie" OS, the hardware was forever changing between manufacturers and the people who used them, understood that. I dont know if its due to the flooding of new users, that have not joined XDA to LEARN anything, or if people just dont realize what exactly they have in their hand, but the slamming that Androids own users give only enforces iPhone users beliefs that they have the superior device and help in the decision for new users to go elsewhere for a GOOD phone.
What phone were you using... three years ago? Even the fondest memories of your first android experience cannot compete with the devices we have to choose from now. Lag is a part of Android....we dont experience anything like the first round of android phones. Current devices have come leaps and bounds from where they were, lag now is split second compared to 10-15 we used to get. Once again though, that was something we didnt care about because of EVERY OTHER ADVANTAGE these devices offered. These are all things that set us apart from the users of Blackberries and iphones.
The lack of appreciation for the devices that have come so far puts us right with iPhone fanbois who started whining the second they had a antenna issue.....I am always up for a good debate on hardware...superior phones are great.....the continuous slamming of some of the worlds greatest technology on the other hand....is pathetic. You have never held in your hand two years ago tech that compares with what you have today. To me....this is what I love about Android, most of all its what I RESPECT about it. This is XDA DEVELOPERS....the Devs here put in their time to do things to these devices that cant be done on any other phones....in the end... for you. All I can read is a hundred posts warning Devs not to even get this phone....
Maybe I am way off....I dont know, Maybe what I thought about Android users having such a love for tech and a individualized experience is what made Android the no brainer choice. It has just really became painfully obvious to me that people can now tear up phones with 720p displays talking about image quality, dual core phones with unacceptable lag, and a expectation of performance that no other device they have owned, WAS BETTER than, You may think it was....but it wasn't. What you expect is something you may never see.
the Nexus has always been a Devs device, maybe some shame on Google for making this phone seem like the next iPhone...but its not an iPhone. If bugs and experimental tweaks are not for you...then you got the wrong device, Return it and get a different phone....its OK, nobody who loves this phone is going to be hurt. Android is not for everyone, having said that... it doesnt make Android not as good as the alternatives and the hardware is still stellar whether you agree or not.
To the Nexus....your alright in my book

I'm in love with this phone. Nuff said. My first Android phone was the G1 so I can appreciate good technology.
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I like android
between my HTC Incredible S and my GN I had a iPhone 4s for 12 days
1st 3 days was nice, and then the shine vanished rapidly as I hit its limitations.
after 10 days I wanted to smash it
but on day 12 I managed to swap for GN I have now, much much better
I like having a phone OS that will go "ok, we'll do it your way then"
Not "this is the only way I can do this!"

I think they call what you have, jealousy. Just thinking out loud ha
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I have this to say to everyone who whines that the phone they just got has some flaw that most rational people see as minor: Cry me a
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Has anyone seen John Connor?

This is my Nexus. There are many others like it, but this one is mine. My Nexus is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my Nexus is useless. Without my Nexus, I am useless. I must use my Nexus true. I must use it better than my enemy(Iphone), who is trying to destroy me. I must destroy him before he destroys me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my Nexus and myself are defenders of everything good in this world, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of AOSP. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

Most people post flaws not to complain but to make sure their new expensive toy isn't defective outside normal expectations. I think they look for comfort in knowing its normal and it isn't hurting anything. They need to hear, from the experts, our opinions on it. Will it get fixed or should they second guess things?
Some take it too far and cry outrage for attention (mountain out of an anthill).
The world takes all kinds. The Galaxy Nexus is pretty good though. Considering what problems other phones have to deal with.
-Galaxy Nexus
-Asus Transformer

Android is great. The Nexus is great. Being great means being popular. Being popular means dealing with whiners and morons. The iPhone is great in its way and has people that whine about it all day long.
I agree with what you're saying, but in the end it just doesn't bother me anymore. Let the whiners whine. That's what they do best
For better or worse, Android isn't a small, cult culture anymore. Probably for the better... you just have to deal with more idiots now.

tylerdurdin said:
I hate posting needless threads....and Hate reading them as well, but I have to get this off my chest. Since two months before the release of this phone the number of anticipation threads on EVERY forum I frequent was overwhelming...but I respect that. I love tech and love people who love it.
Since the actual release I have developed a huge amount of disgust for the people who obtain these phones and who help along the thought that a device like the iPhone is a superior device. I am completely blown away by the level of baseless expectation for a PHONE.
Android has always been a "techie" OS, the hardware was forever changing between manufacturers and the people who used them, understood that. I dont know if its due to the flooding of new users, that have not joined XDA to LEARN anything, or if people just dont realize what exactly they have in their hand, but the slamming that Androids own users give only enforces iPhone users beliefs that they have the superior device and help in the decision for new users to go elsewhere for a GOOD phone.
What phone were you using... three years ago? Even the fondest memories of your first android experience cannot compete with the devices we have to choose from now. Lag is a part of Android....we dont experience anything like the first round of android phones. Current devices have come leaps and bounds from where they were, lag now is split second compared to 10-15 we used to get. Once again though, that was something we didnt care about because of EVERY OTHER ADVANTAGE these devices offered. These are all things that set us apart from the users of Blackberries and iphones.
The lack of appreciation for the devices that have come so far puts us right with iPhone fanbois who started whining the second they had a antenna issue.....I am always up for a good debate on hardware...superior phones are great.....the continuous slamming of some of the worlds greatest technology on the other hand....is pathetic. You have never held in your hand two years ago tech that compares with what you have today. To me....this is what I love about Android, most of all its what I RESPECT about it. This is XDA DEVELOPERS....the Devs here put in their time to do things to these devices that cant be done on any other phones....in the end... for you. All I can read is a hundred posts warning Devs not to even get this phone....
Maybe I am way off....I dont know, Maybe what I thought about Android users having such a love for tech and a individualized experience is what made Android the no brainer choice. It has just really became painfully obvious to me that people can now tear up phones with 720p displays talking about image quality, dual core phones with unacceptable lag, and a expectation of performance that no other device they have owned, WAS BETTER than, You may think it was....but it wasn't. What you expect is something you may never see.
the Nexus has always been a Devs device, maybe some shame on Google for making this phone seem like the next iPhone...but its not an iPhone. If bugs and experimental tweaks are not for you...then you got the wrong device, Return it and get a different phone....its OK, nobody who loves this phone is going to be hurt. Android is not for everyone, having said that... it doesnt make Android not as good as the alternatives and the hardware is still stellar whether you agree or not.
To the Nexus....your alright in my book
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Enough said. Great thread in my opinion. This device is great OTB and will grow with more software upgrades and Developers ROMs in the future.

I bought this phone expecting issues so far none except for the usual new os issues do you want the greatest and latest then expect minor issues as far as I am concerned vzw should not have released this phone without a warning this is not a droid device this phone is special and be prepared for issues. It is the best phone I have ever owned.
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Everyone complains about new phones, just weather the storm and you'll be rewarded. My brother just got the phone and he loves it.
Btw development on this phone will be insane. The ns4g has pretty good development and it isn't even that popular.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App

OP. You expect too much from xda. Now that this phone is prime time on Verizon, the amount of nexus owners that know what xda is are a margin of error in the user base numbers. It will endlessly be compared to other off the shelf devices, and rightly so. That's just the way it is, and probably the way it should be. If google had to depend on xda and devs to sell this device they would have to hang it up.
I love the phone. And I also am willing to admit its faults, Android's faults, and wait for the inevitable improvements. Google looked second rate trying to launch this phone compared to an iPhone launch, that's an indisputable fact. I have this device because I don't want an iPhone. I have it because I believe in Android as a platform. I have it because it truly is fantastic device OUT OF THE BOX. I have zero plans to root, unlock the bootloader or flash ROMs.
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i work with iphones day in day out..........and if you want a phone they great...........if you want something to enjoy............then you will be bored within days.
look at where the iphone started and where it is now.......pretty much the exact same product, a little more polished, a little quicker but in essence the same..........and the next generation i phone? same old same old with some little gimmick to promote sales.....in what is it 5 years? the iphone exploded on the scene but has then simply grown old....from one generation to the next they are grossly similar......pick any of the recent generation android phones put it in one hand then put the most recent iphone in the other..................
and then ask yourself.............why would anyone buy an iphone?
well if you want to be dictated to, if you want zero control over your phone if you want a 'bland' life then choose the iphone.
If you want entertainment, fun, expansion and freedom...........choose android.
would i take an iphone? yes if someone gave it to me
would i buy an iphone? never
oh and windows phones? i have worked with them.......well i have tried to work with them..........worst case was 100% charge to dead in 57 minutes would i take one of them for free? no chance

tylerdurdin said:
I hate posting needless threads....and Hate reading them as well, but I have to get this off my chest. Since two months before the release of this phone the number of anticipation threads on EVERY forum I frequent was overwhelming...but I respect that. I love tech and love people who love it.
Since the actual release I have developed a huge amount of disgust for the people who obtain these phones and who help along the thought that a device like the iPhone is a superior device. I am completely blown away by the level of baseless expectation for a PHONE.
Android has always been a "techie" OS, the hardware was forever changing between manufacturers and the people who used them, understood that. I dont know if its due to the flooding of new users, that have not joined XDA to LEARN anything, or if people just dont realize what exactly they have in their hand, but the slamming that Androids own users give only enforces iPhone users beliefs that they have the superior device and help in the decision for new users to go elsewhere for a GOOD phone.
What phone were you using... three years ago? Even the fondest memories of your first android experience cannot compete with the devices we have to choose from now. Lag is a part of Android....we dont experience anything like the first round of android phones. Current devices have come leaps and bounds from where they were, lag now is split second compared to 10-15 we used to get. Once again though, that was something we didnt care about because of EVERY OTHER ADVANTAGE these devices offered. These are all things that set us apart from the users of Blackberries and iphones.
The lack of appreciation for the devices that have come so far puts us right with iPhone fanbois who started whining the second they had a antenna issue.....I am always up for a good debate on hardware...superior phones are great.....the continuous slamming of some of the worlds greatest technology on the other hand....is pathetic. You have never held in your hand two years ago tech that compares with what you have today. To me....this is what I love about Android, most of all its what I RESPECT about it. This is XDA DEVELOPERS....the Devs here put in their time to do things to these devices that cant be done on any other phones....in the end... for you. All I can read is a hundred posts warning Devs not to even get this phone....
Maybe I am way off....I dont know, Maybe what I thought about Android users having such a love for tech and a individualized experience is what made Android the no brainer choice. It has just really became painfully obvious to me that people can now tear up phones with 720p displays talking about image quality, dual core phones with unacceptable lag, and a expectation of performance that no other device they have owned, WAS BETTER than, You may think it was....but it wasn't. What you expect is something you may never see.
the Nexus has always been a Devs device, maybe some shame on Google for making this phone seem like the next iPhone...but its not an iPhone. If bugs and experimental tweaks are not for you...then you got the wrong device, Return it and get a different phone....its OK, nobody who loves this phone is going to be hurt. Android is not for everyone, having said that... it doesnt make Android not as good as the alternatives and the hardware is still stellar whether you agree or not.
To the Nexus....your alright in my book
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^^ didnt read
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I feel bad for the noobs getting this phone. And some of the android vets. And... Apple. I feel really good about this phone. My gripes with this phone are no sd slot and updates cant come fast enough. Thank you devs, though my head is spinning trying to figure out what to flash first. Lol.
Crazy world, ay?

So people shouldn't complain about legitimate issues they are having with their expensive new phone so you can have an easier time arguing with iPhone fans in immature flame wars? What a stupid post. This site is not about you or people like you who want to brag and argue about whose phone is best.

KneeDragr said:
So people shouldn't complain about legitimate issues they are having with their expensive new phone so you can have an easier time arguing with iPhone fans in immature flame wars? What a stupid post. This site is not about you or people like you who want to brag and argue about whose phone is best.
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1. iPhone fans generally don't come here.
2. The only flaming in this thread so far has come from you.
3. The OP was never directed at people who have legitimate problems with their phones and post here looking for help. It was always about those who have already posted numerous threads whining about things nobody can do anything about, such as "I HATE the Pentile display!" (take it back and get a Rezound then instead of posting whinefest threads that clutter this forum and help no one).
4. The OP was also not trying to instigate a flame war over which phone is best. There's nothing wrong with posting one's personal preference here. The problem comes when someone makes a personal attack, like, say, "What a stupid post. This site is not about you or people like you..."
Has anyone seen John Connor?

I don't remember Tyler Durden being this soft, having to get "something off his chest" lol.
j/k
I don't feel bad for this phone....I think the engineers and developers wish they had done some things a little different. Overall I think its still a great product.
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all i have to say is we're all a bunch of suckers who love phones too much.
seriously... a forum... for phones?...
lol...

The phone is fine. There are some issues, but they all have issues at first. Calm, rational trouble shooting easily fixes issues that are software related. Some have hardware issues etc. Nothing too damning, squeaky wheel.
What i DO see on the net is stupid people that got the phone expecting it to make their vapid life more fulfilling, only to realize it is just a phone. The phone is not borked, the dog**** applications you jammed it full with are. Take a breath a realize this is a new OS release, so your old system utilities may not function properly, and may in fact make your device function poorly.
Go back to teh iphonez.

My friend reason for leaving Android for The IPhone 4s lol

Here is our text chat on his reason. What y'all think?
(Him) Just sold the evos 3d for $300 a piece
(Me)Online?
(Him)Yep
(Me) So you down grading to the ifail 4s.
(Him) I love it better than android. For someone that had android first
(Me) Tell me what you love about it.
(Him) It works when I need it. Plus my laptop iPad and phone can be sync together It's easier to use The apps are better made And more stable
From the official iPhone killer.

The only valid reason is the sync between Ipad,MacBook,iPhone
Otherwise its not, the quality of the apps is dependent on the app developer, and they both work and do about the same things.
I don't mind people preferring iOS, I don't but if he does that's fine.
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In ten seconds. Apple +1 Android +20
Let us know how many days he lasted until he returned his iPhone and got back on android.

I raised the same close community circle question before i got rid of my Photon and ultimately got this awesome E4GT. Should I look at the iPhone or stick with Android
One acquaintance's argument for getting his iPhone was "because it just works"...I couldn't respond to that meat filled rock solid argument, so I got the E4GT.
In the end it is certainly preference between how the device will scale over time and I would get bored with an app drawer interface real quick!

I like to compare iPhones and Androids in the same manner as I would compare model airplanes. One one hand, you have the Snap-It model airplanes (iPhone) that are easy, you don't have to use glue, virtually no skill is needed, and it looks like it does on the box, as the manufacturer intended, it just works. I like them for their simplicity.
On the other hand, you have higher level model airplanes that require some knowledge of cutting, sanding, gluing, and attention to detail (Android). In the hands of someone skilled (like many on this forum), it will pretty much substitute for the real thing after you've added all of the custom touches. I like them for the patience needed to fine tune every detail.
Of course, there are those in the middle who like a little bit easy, but also like to feel as if they've actually done something worth their while (iPhone jailbreakers, beginning rooters). These can go either way, they can look really good, or they can look like garbage. Two different worlds, two different crowds.

phatmanxxl said:
In ten seconds. Apple +1 Android +20
Let us know how many days he lasted until he returned his iPhone and got back on android.
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It's been a week since he wasted his money and downgrading. So I will see and let you know
From the official iPhone killer.

Jye75 said:
I like to compare iPhones and Androids in the same manner as I would compare model airplanes. One one hand, you have the Snap-It model airplanes (iPhone) that are easy, you don't have to use glue, virtually no skill is needed, and it looks like it does on the box, as the manufacturer intended, it just works. I like them for their simplicity.
On the other hand, you have higher level model airplanes that require some knowledge of cutting, sanding, gluing, and attention to detail (Android). In the hands of someone skilled (like many on this forum), it will pretty much substitute for the real thing after you've added all of the custom touches. I like them for the patience needed to fine tune every detail.
Of course, there are those in the middle who like a little bit easy, but also like to feel as if they've actually done something worth their while (iPhone jailbreakers, beginning rooters). These can go either way, they can look really good, or they can look like garbage. Two different worlds, two different crowds.
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Good analogy.

phatmanxxl said:
Good analogy.
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I second that, well done on the analogy.

A guy sold his saws-all and got a hand saw, I asked him why he said "It just works"
Its like throwing out the bait caster reel (yes there is a learning curve) and using a bamboo rod to fish, meh "It just works"
"It just works" is a reason when you have no reason.

I hope they have a healthy credit card (for the app store) and good eyesight (screen). That's what it boiled down to for me. You should start laying wagers on how long it will take until they come back to Android.

If the iPhone works better for him, then great. It is a phone, not a competition. There is no reason to be offended if someone likes a different phone than you.
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"it just works" is a pretty valid excuse for any idiot to purchase an iphone.

Jye75 said:
I like to compare iPhones and Androids in the same manner as I would compare model airplanes. One one hand, you have the Snap-It model airplanes (iPhone) that are easy, you don't have to use glue, virtually no skill is needed, and it looks like it does on the box, as the manufacturer intended, it just works. I like them for their simplicity.
On the other hand, you have higher level model airplanes that require some knowledge of cutting, sanding, gluing, and attention to detail (Android). In the hands of someone skilled (like many on this forum), it will pretty much substitute for the real thing after you've added all of the custom touches. I like them for the patience needed to fine tune every detail.
Of course, there are those in the middle who like a little bit easy, but also like to feel as if they've actually done something worth their while (iPhone jailbreakers, beginning rooters). These can go either way, they can look really good, or they can look like garbage. Two different worlds, two different crowds.
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Can not be explained any better!
+1
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cnstarz said:
"it just works" is a pretty valid excuse for any idiot to purchase an iphone.
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To add to that, some people prefer iPhone bcoz its easy to use. Well if they think they are children/90 year olds then surely iPhone is great for them!
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Its funny my 3 year old daughter knows her way around mine and her sisters' android phones.

I played around with my brother ifail it feels to restricted to me. Can't do half the basic things my epic can do. The fact it has a only built in battery is a no no for me. I can't see my self ever owing an ifail. Apple is just a phone wanting to be an Android.
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Well He is correct about the sync smoothness. Everything iCrap makes has seamless sync. Thats all iCrap has going for it compared to Android. Not to mention the proprietarinism of iCrap.
BTW, ask him what does he do when he needs more ROM or a replacement battery. Also ask him how many Widgets he is using.

rdisanza said:
BTW, ask him what does he do when he needs more ROM or a replacement battery. Also ask him how many Widgets he is using.
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this is stupid because he obviously doesn't have a care in the world about roms, widgets, or replacement batteries. not a single **** is given.

i get faster data speeds than iphone than the epic touch. Something is wrong with the modem/radio on the touch
Honestly, from switching over to the iphone 4s this past weekend, iphone 5 here i come.

cnstarz said:
this is stupid because he obviously doesn't have a care in the world about roms, widgets, or replacement batteries. not a single **** is given.
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when he said ROM, i think he meant Read-Only Memory (storage space).
this is a huge issue at my sprint store. people bringing back 16GB iphones constantly, "doesn't hold as much as my android did, need a bigger iPhone"
i don't take offense when people want an iPhone. it is a very well built device. but i do have a few problems with their decisions
1. It is NEVER based on fact. its based on whats popular, how awesome their friends told them it was. same with the htc evo. it was a great phone no doubt, but FACTUALLY, the samsung epic 4g had better hardware. people just knew the evo name.
2. I ask each and every customer what the reason is for choosing the iPhone, so that we may determine together what is the best choice for them. the ONLY viable reason, "i already own a mac and an iPad". Wonderful, let me ring that up for you. if you already have heavily invested into the Apple Ecosystem, there is no reason to have an android. but most of them dont have one. its cool? thats a pretty hefty investment for cool...
3. "it just works" or "it doesn't have any problems". FALSE. last week, i had a customer tell me his iphone was superior to my E4GT because "iphones NEVER freeze, but every android ive seen does". The argument was concluded in .08 seconds on google. every device has its problems. at my store, there have been MORE iphone problems than E4GT problems (we are also a repair store). at a sister store, just the opposite. so "working better" is NOT a valid argument...
4. Apple's business ethics rival that of Enron. a poster said earlier that its not a competition. you're right, because apple CANT compete. you can gauge their level of fear in relation to the lawsuits and doctored photos they have. how many lawsuits between samsung lg htc motorola? they just try to outperform... not put each other out of business. and if they DID put each other out of business, it would be ''may the best man win''. not, ''shut em down because im scared to lose sales''.
5. finally, if youre ok getting on board with a completely closed OS, thats fine. but then, my average customer, wants to know how to make their iphone do what their buddys s2, RAZR, or htc can do. (see uninformed decision). i just dont want anyone telling ME what to do with MY stuff once ive paid for it. would you buy a tv from a company that told you what channels to watch? i wouldnt. but if so, get an Apple TV LOL
/rant
have a great day!

Apple wins Samsung lawsuit in US, ridicilous but....

Ok so Apple is rewarded +1 billion USD from Samsung copying their patents. I have to say that some of those patens must have been approved by people who smoke crack. I hate the verdict, I hate the fact that this type of trial in US is actually decided by jury of regular people. There are just so many things I hate about the whole thing thats going on, but thats not why Im posting.
As now this whole thing probably gets deeper with appeals and most likely Google will have to get more involved. What do you think, the 2 biggest are fighting together could this actually a good thing for WP camp, especially Nokia since they are the main manufacturer in the WP camp?

Loco5150 said:
Ok so Apple is rewarded +1 billion USD from Samsung copying their patents. I have to say that some of those patens must have been approved by people who smoke crack. I hate the verdict, I hate the fact that this type of trial in US is actually decided by jury of regular people. There are just so many things I hate about the whole thing thats going on, but thats not why Im posting.
As now this whole thing probably gets deeper with appeals and most likely Google will have to get more involved. What do you think, the 2 biggest are fighting together could this actually a good thing for WP camp, especially Nokia since they are the main manufacturer in the WP camp?
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This has no benefit to WP whatsoever, 1B for samsung is like two pieces of paper, and they won't pay it, they'll appeal as usual.
So, nope Nokia and WP will need something else to shine.

apple will get, ohhhh , about what they get for 3 months worth of new activstions on iPhones. Samsung will keep on pummeling us with incredible phones.
Nokia? no benefit. unless it bumps the stock price (taking profits time) for the folks that are raping it daily.

This most likely will end with sales ban for some devices, also Apple will go after other Android manufacturers. Bloomberg also reports that Samsung will most likely have to delay some new devices so they have time to change things so they will not do the same thing again.
All this might be helping the smaller guy. But for the record I hope the appeals court will change this verdict. Also that they void Apple's ridicilous and vague patents that never should have been rewarded anyway.

Loco5150 said:
This most likely will end with sales ban for some devices, also Apple will go after other Android manufacturers. Bloomberg also reports that Samsung will most likely have to delay some new devices so they have time to change things so they will not do the same thing again.
All this might be helping the smaller guy. But for the record I hope the appeals court will change this verdict. Also that they void Apple's ridicilous and vague patents that never should have been rewarded anyway.
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but those rounded corners are apples' genius!
the whole thing is stupid anyway. if you can't win in sales, sic lawyers on the competition.
remember sco?

ohgood said:
but those rounded corners are apples' genius!
the whole thing is stupid anyway. if you can't win in sales, sic lawyers on the competition.
remember sco?
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wasnt the rectangle with rounded corners thrown out though?
as to the topic, It could be good for WP, the whole android model is starting to look a bit dodgy, potentially, manufactures might start to say its not worth the hassle and since google has made it perfectly clear they are on their own it makes for a juicy target!
MS and Apple have cross licence agreements going back decades and as such are by and large protected from this stupidity, but lets be clear on something here, its neither apple or Samsung that should be attacked because of these daft patent wars, its the people in the patent office that should be shot, if Apple are awarded a patent for a box with a button in the middle then it is perfectly within its rights to uphold that patent.
its stupid, but I don't hold the companies to blame, every single one of us would jump through hoops to make 2.7B USD regardless of how stupid it is and how marginal it is, if there was a chance we'd go for it, and its the patent office that sets up these chances.

Well it's just about some patents regarding pinch to zoom, double tap and bounce scroll. All of the other competitors were paying already for using those patented features, Samsung wasn't because it's a scumbag company which is only able to make good internals and displays slapping them into fugly plastic bodies with no personality whatsoever, and therefore keeps copying the competition to make up for the above mentioned weak points. Paying for anything doesn't appeal to them, they much prefer stealing instead. Don't get me wrong, I still think that these things should be under FRAND, but law is there to be respected or reformed, acting like it didn't exist and getting into such kind of trials just in order to spare a few bucks is just being a lame and disrespectful scumbag company. At least in this case, justice was done. Now let's reform this patent bull**** system.
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Having owned a device from every smartphone platform except BB and Android I think Android is the platform that tends to borrow the most from everyone else.
Samsung is a cloning company, they make things for people. So it should come as no surprise that they are good at lifting other peoples ideas.
What ground-breaking products has Samsung introduced to the market? by that I mean game changing devices, not technology. I bet you're struggling to think of any.
I think iOS has fallen behind the times and so my move to Windows Phone, but we all owe Apple for making multitouch and finger based touchscreen devices mainstream. It's something Samsing would never have done, their top selling phones before the iPhone were mostly dumbphones.

dazza9075 said:
wasnt the rectangle with rounded corners thrown out though?
as to the topic, It could be good for WP, the whole android model is starting to look a bit dodgy, potentially, manufactures might start to say its not worth the hassle and since google has made it perfectly clear they are on their own it makes for a juicy target!
MS and Apple have cross licence agreements going back decades and as such are by and large protected from this stupidity, but lets be clear on something here, its neither apple or Samsung that should be attacked because of these daft patent wars, its the people in the patent office that should be shot, if Apple are awarded a patent for a box with a button in the middle then it is perfectly within its rights to uphold that patent.
its stupid, but I don't hold the companies to blame, every single one of us would jump through hoops to make 2.7B USD regardless of how stupid it is and how marginal it is, if there was a chance we'd go for it, and its the patent office that sets up these chances.
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I was being silly about the round corners. the patent system is broken, but that's another story /thread.
so long as the android devices are selling better than the iPhone, I doubt manufacturers will think of it as dodgy.
manufacturers only care about selling phones... they'll do whatever is needed to keel doing that, inuding paying pennies to the apple gods to do so. passing on expenses is economics 101. (sad really)
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Having owned a device from every smartphone platform except BB and Android I think Android is the platform that tends to borrow the most from everyone else.
Samsung is a cloning company, they make things for people. So it should come as no surprise that they are good at lifting other peoples ideas.
What ground-breaking products has Samsung introduced to the market? by that I mean game changing devices, not technology. I bet you're struggling to think of any.
I think iOS has fallen behind the times and so my move to Windows Phone, but we all owe Apple for making multitouch and finger based touchscreen devices mainstream. It's something Samsing would never have done, their top selling phones before the iPhone were mostly dumbphones.
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its not much of a struggle to think of very good, very impressive samsung devices of late. the s3 and even s2 are selling (and reselling) like hotcakes. look at your local craigslist , the most desired phones are back and forth between ihpone 4s and s3/s2. I would expect some kind of shattering ideals cpu and display by Christmas from them also.
clones? yes, everyone is making a slab of glass phone. its what sells now. Nokia, Samsung, HTC, LG (are they still making phones) , everyone is on the slab of glass bandwagon.

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its not much of a struggle to think of very good, very impressive samsung devices of late. the s3 and even s2 are selling (and reselling) like hotcakes.
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Yes, but they're basically "me too" products. They've taken their existing product and added hundreds of features and bigger screen etc.
The sad thing is Apple is now stuck in this cycle of just adding a few more features, nicer screen and camera.
What I was saying was when did Samsung ever release a product that totally changed the market? It seems to me that Apple has released the devices that changed the computing industry the most. Mam, iMac, iPod and iPhone, iPad. While they may not have invented all the technology they used it still takes a lot of guts to release a different product.
The sad thing is how Microsoft laughed at the iPhone and then scrambled to release their own comparable platform (3 years later!).
I couldn't care less for Google, they're even worse than Microsoft for copying. At least when Microsoft look at a rival and release their version it is usually better in many ways, cheaper and not much less in quality. Google's stuff tends to be very low quality and poorly supported. Even devices they have had made for them were badly made (Nexus 7).

gilesjuk said:
Yes, but they're basically "me too" products. They've taken their existing product and added hundreds of features and bigger screen etc.
The sad thing is Apple is now stuck in this cycle of just adding a few more features, nicer screen and camera.
What I was saying was when did Samsung ever release a product that totally changed the market? It seems to me that Apple has released the devices that changed the computing industry the most. Mam, iMac, iPod and iPhone, iPad. While they may not have invented all the technology they used it still takes a lot of guts to release a different product.
The sad thing is how Microsoft laughed at the iPhone and then scrambled to release their own comparable platform (3 years later!).
I couldn't care less for Google, they're even worse than Microsoft for copying. At least when Microsoft look at a rival and release their version it is usually better in many ways, cheaper and not much less in quality. Google's stuff tends to be very low quality and poorly supported. Even devices they have had made for them were badly made (Nexus 7).
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ahhh, misunderstood you. I see now.
can't think of anything revolutoonary since the mouse really. voice input is neat, but the keyboard and mouse still own.

Loco5150 said:
Ok so Apple is rewarded +1 billion USD from Samsung copying their patents. I have to say that some of those patens must have been approved by people who smoke crack. I hate the verdict, I hate the fact that this type of trial in US is actually decided by jury of regular people. There are just so many things I hate about the whole thing thats going on, but thats not why Im posting.
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Err... This jury had people with legal knowledge and at least one engineer with a patent of their own. It was probably the most knowledgeable jury I've seen... ever.
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Well it's just about some patents regarding pinch to zoom, double tap and bounce scroll. All of the other competitors were paying already for using those patented features, Samsung wasn't because it's a scumbag company which is only able to make good internals and displays slapping them into fugly plastic bodies with no personality whatsoever, and therefore keeps copying the competition to make up for the above mentioned weak points.
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You said it brother.
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Nope. Samsung Note. At first I thought it sounded redonkulous. The build quality sucks compared to the Lumia 900 but the screen size definitely caught on with a certain segment of the population. The iphone 4s' screen is pathetic. No way around that. I'm not saying I would cruise around with a note in my pocket but it definitely explores a space. If the iphone 4s was the final word on smartphone screens we would be stuck in the stone ages. People crow about the iphone apps but I can't see those things God damn it! That screen is tiny.

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Err... This jury had people with legal knowledge and at least one engineer with a patent of their own. It was probably the most knowledgeable jury I've seen... ever.
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Yup, one person that that has some knowledge on patents. Not enough in my opinion. Even if it was the "most knowledgeable jury", that does not mean that it is qualified to handle the matter.
Now why I started the whole topic. Apple has now asked sales ban for 8 Samsung devices in the US. I would expect we will see a lot more of this in the near future.
And yes Samsung keeps copying things, hell yes that happens in every business all the time. But you know what, so does Apple. They are just better at it. They basically steal because they are able to make the consumer think they actually invented these things. They did not invent mp3 player or a touch screen phone, they just copied it and made it better.

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Apple has now asked sales ban for 8 Samsung devices in the US. I would expect we will see a lot more of this in the near future.
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proof that the USA is in need of a rethink of (not just) its patent system.
they want the sales ban to get some of their sales percentage back, not because of patent infringement. its a lie covering inadequacies. pitiful.

The law ask "are the products similar "? Thats all it ask, and the obvious answer is...
Everybody said it before the original Galaxy S was released,"boy that thing looks a lot like the iPhone". Every reviewer, just YouTube it. The icons and bounce scroll sealed it.
Dont hate the player(Apple), hate the game(patent system).
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So here we go... Now Apple is seeking sales ban for new Samsung devices, inluding Galaxy S III and Galaxy Note.

Apple won the patent war against Samsung....

The title is pretty self explanatory . What's your opinion on this my fellow Epic 4G Touch owners.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1851844
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Yeah, apple won against Samsung, lol but they royally pissed off google. Google just bought out Motorola patents.. And in turn just started and infringement copyright suit against apple for using Motorola radio patents. No more iphone,ipad,ipod being shipped to US, Australia, or the UK till after a ruling lol.. Guess they should have played nice.

timmetal6669 said:
Yeah, apple won against Samsung, lol but they royally pissed off google. Google just bought out Motorola patents.. And in turn just started and infringement copyright suit against apple for using Motorola radio patents. No more iphone,ipad,ipod being shipped to US, Australia, or the UK till after a ruling lol.. Guess they should have played nice.
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that would be awesome ..... while these companies kill each other, ill use an old flip phone that my mom has somewhere in her bedroom

Yeah there's really no "taking the high road" on this one. If apples not going to let up Google should just fire back with all they have. I hate to say it but its clear apple will never stop with rediculous suits, so Google should follow suit. Let em have it.
I made a pinewood derby car in 1989 that looks a hell of a lot like the iPhone 4, think I should sue too. And just like the iPhone it would have had to cheat to win.
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I don't know how Apple won with the design patent....my phone looks nothing like an iPhone.....period.
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timmetal6669 said:
Yeah, apple won against Samsung, lol but they royally pissed off google. Google just bought out Motorola patents.. And in turn just started and infringement copyright suit against apple for using Motorola radio patents. No more iphone,ipad,ipod being shipped to US, Australia, or the UK till after a ruling lol.. Guess they should have played nice.
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that would be awesome ..... while these companies kill each other, ill use an old flip phone that my mom has somewhere in her bedroom

sleshepic said:
Yeah there's really no "taking the high road" on this one. If apples not going to let up Google should just fire back with all they have. I hate to say it but its clear apple will never stop with rediculous suits, so Google should follow suit. Let em have it.
I made a pinewood derby car in 1989 that looks a hell of a lot like the iPhone 4, think I should sue too. And just like the iPhone it would have had to cheat to win.
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Lmao.. That's great shlesh yeh, Google finally stopped laying dormant about the issue... http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-sleeping-giant-may-have-awoken/

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I don't know how Apple won with the design patent....my phone looks nothing like an iPhone.....period.
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It's not the shape that is the issue, it's the shape and combination of what the interface looks like.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/08/apple-samsung-internal-document-mimicry/
That is an internal document from Samsung detailing how they were to make the Galaxy S feel more like an iPhone.
That is why they lost.
They definitely copied the iPhone with the first Galaxy S line
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Now saying that the Galaxy SII copied the iPhone in shape and UI is a bit of a stretch.
The whole dispute about the "Touch to scroll, pinch to zoom, tap to zoom" thing doesn't mean that those actions belong to Apple, It means that the implementation of it belongs to them.
Android as a whole uses a different implementation so we will not lose those features.
Google warned Samsung to not plagiarize and Samsung did not listen.
I would have been surprised if they won, to be honest.

Apple only superficially won, it will more than likely be drastically reduced or overturned rom appeals. There's no way in hell those jurors answered all 700 questions on the juror petition in 21 hours, that's 100 questions every 3 hours. And the jurors admitted they made their decision the first day. I guarantee you not one of those 12 people understood anything about patent law before or after they found in favor of apple, and i guarantee you more than 70% of those jurors own ipads and iPhones so of course they will rule in favor of the psuedogod crapple and all of their ifail products. Its utterly ridiculous. Not to mention all of apples patents on software was opensource software no one patented because it was opensource so apple just stole it and patented it to claim rights to it and try and stop android because they are losing their market share due to them not innovating anything and just slapping a new number on the same tired OS and device and selling is as a new breakthrough product. Sooner or later people are gonna wise up to the scam and stop paying 600$ for the same device they already own cuz it has a few new apps a new product number and is claimed to be brand new, when really its damn near identical to what they already own.
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Why is it that every time I see the comparison its while the Samsung has the app drawer open?
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Why is it that every time I see the comparison its while the Samsung has the app drawer open?
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Because it doesn't look the same otherwise.
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Because Samsung copied the tiled icons in the Galaxy S Touchwiz UI.
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How about somebody come up with something totally different than what is out there now? HTC, samsung, motorola, lg, or even apple. You have to admit a lot of the "new" in cellphones is starting to slow down. You want to stop the lawsuits? Come up with something different.Maybe spend a little more on R&D. I'm tired of the complaining on both sides.

Ophois said:
It's not the shape that is the issue, it's the shape and combination of what the interface looks like.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/08/apple-samsung-internal-document-mimicry/
That is an internal document from Samsung detailing how they were to make the Galaxy S feel more like an iPhone.
That is why they lost.
They definitely copied the iPhone with the first Galaxy S line
Now saying that the Galaxy SII copied the iPhone in shape and UI is a bit of a stretch.
The whole dispute about the "Touch to scroll, pinch to zoom, tap to zoom" thing doesn't mean that those actions belong to Apple, It means that the implementation of it belongs to them.
Android as a whole uses a different implementation so we will not lose those features.
Google warned Samsung to not plagiarize and Samsung did not listen.
I would have been surprised if they won, to be honest.
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Ya the S2 is when they started to say let's make the iPhone but bigger, faster, better, stronger. This is not good for Android, ultimately the customers pay in the end. And was this a surprise to anyone Steve Jobs' dying wish was pretty much get rid of Android by any means necessary, it is probably in Tim Cooks contract somewhere to be rid of Android by 2015 or something. I mean Jobs said go "thermonuclear" on Android, I'm pretty sure they are prepared for this fighting back and they do have a hell of a lot of money to the extent last year they were trying to figure out were to spend in the company because they had so much laying around. Anyway screw apple, they suck. They are suing over old devices anyway.
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Then I guess android have to fight apple no matter what..
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Here is the part from the jury forman.
"Update 4: One more quote from the foreman, thanks to Bloomberg News:
“When I got in this case and I started looking at these patents I considered: ‘If this was my patent and I was accused, could I defend it?’” Hogan explained. On the night of Aug. 22, after closing arguments, “a light bulb went on in my head,” he said. “I thought, I need to do this for all of them.”
Word on the street is that this so called jury foreman has his own patent for something I dont know what and that he came under dispute over it. This jury foreman LOST that dispute and had a axe to grind hence on why he said I need to do this for all of them.
This whole trial was nothing but a rigged scam and a fraud. The judge and get this worked for the law firm that handles apple's patent cases. Yes she used to be a lawyer that worked for apple and apple was a client.
Now you have a jury foreman who had a axe to grind because he lost his patent case
Too much BS in this case. The deck was stacked from the gitgo against samsung. Pretty funny tho that in Asia and even the EU samsung is kicking apple's arse and winning cases.
You have a judge, jury foreman and even the jury who had their minds made up from day 1 and that was that samsung was guilty. Then to read this crap of the crap decisions like no samsung didnt violate this and yet they deemed samsung should pay anyway.
I hope that samsung appeals and I really hope its all thrown out. I am not saying all this because I hate apple or that I am a andriod fanboy I am saying this because this was not a fair trial and this trial should NOT have been done where it was. It should have done outside of apples sphere of influence, ie, silicon valley.
If what is being said about the judge and her ties to the law firm that handles apples patent cases for apple and the jury foreman then if we have a fair and right justice system in this country then this will get thrown out on appeal. If so then I can see this at the door step of the SCOTUS.
Oh another tid bit.
When asked about skipping the evidence of prior art:
"In fact we skipped that one," Ilagan continued, "so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down."
LOL skipped it huh, bogging us down huh. LMAO this trial was a scam and a fruad.

It will be appealed, then that will be appealed, etc, etc. Long drawn out crap that only makes more money for lawyers. Time would be better spent watching infomercials on tv.

Wizard220 said:
Here is the part from the jury forman.
"Update 4: One more quote from the foreman, thanks to Bloomberg News:
“When I got in this case and I started looking at these patents I considered: ‘If this was my patent and I was accused, could I defend it?’” Hogan explained. On the night of Aug. 22, after closing arguments, “a light bulb went on in my head,” he said. “I thought, I need to do this for all of them.”
Word on the street is that this so called jury foreman has his own patent for something I dont know what and that he came under dispute over it. This jury foreman LOST that dispute and had a axe to grind hence on why he said I need to do this for all of them.
This whole trial was nothing but a rigged scam and a fraud. The judge and get this worked for the law firm that handles apple's patent cases. Yes she used to be a lawyer that worked for apple and apple was a client.
Now you have a jury foreman who had a axe to grind because he lost his patent case
Too much BS in this case. The deck was stacked from the gitgo against samsung. Pretty funny tho that in Asia and even the EU samsung is kicking apple's arse and winning cases.
You have a judge, jury foreman and even the jury who had their minds made up from day 1 and that was that samsung was guilty. Then to read this crap of the crap decisions like no samsung didnt violate this and yet they deemed samsung should pay anyway.
I hope that samsung appeals and I really hope its all thrown out. I am not saying all this because I hate apple or that I am a andriod fanboy I am saying this because this was not a fair trial and this trial should NOT have been done where it was. It should have done outside of apples sphere of influence, ie, silicon valley.
If what is being said about the judge and her ties to the law firm that handles apples patent cases for apple and the jury foreman then if we have a fair and right justice system in this country then this will get thrown out on appeal. If so then I can see this at the door step of the SCOTUS.
Oh another tid bit.
When asked about skipping the evidence of prior art:
"In fact we skipped that one," Ilagan continued, "so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down."
LOL skipped it huh, bogging us down huh. LMAO this trial was a scam and a fruad.
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Ok let's say it get's appealed and Samsung still lose...will everyone in here be happy and say "Ok that's how its is." Or is everyone just going to hate on Apple some more? Honestly curious.

Apple targets 8 Samsung phones for sales ban

Here is the article. I think Apple is going a little over board with the last line of the article.
In its filing, Apple says this list is only "to address a portion of the immediate, ongoing irreparable harm that Apple is suffering."
Ongoing? Irreparable? So I am assuming that Apple thinks everybody that bought a Samsung Galaxy phone thought they were buying the iPhone. I would love to see an estimate as to how many people really thought they were buying an iPhone when none of these phones had "iPhone" "Apple" or the Apple logo on the phone.
Apple targets 8 Samsung phones for sales ban

Might wanna fix the link bro!
But apple is taking it too far and I was reading on Android Central; Samsung looses 12 billion in market value.

aklyrical said:
Might wanna fix the link bro!
But apple is taking it too far and I was reading on Android Central; Samsung looses 12 billion in market value.
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I think it's fixed now. But yea. I think Apple is really overdoing it now. And the article states out of 28 devices. So I don't think this is more or less about patents anymore. It's more of Apple wanting to be the only smartphone out there that American people can buy.

they are even suing samsung for making ''rectangular'' phones.

Let them do it. They all are old phones anyway.
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Hahaha Apple is the biggest fu**ing hypocrite ever!!! This is why their products are sh**! & Samsung's are superior! Apple bashes Samsung for copying when they themselves copy everyone else
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I don't necessarily think that apples phones are ****ty. I think they are a good smartphone. Samsung and apple are two very good companies. And apple started by providing a quality phone straight across the board and great customer service. So now Samsung finally caught on to the strategy that was obviously working and decided to do the same in its own way.
Android is the kicker that is scaring apple. Because apple is open source and the open community is doing outstanding things and pushing android past its "boundaries". In return this is what Samsung used to become as important in the smartphone market. We see the same in others. HTC...
So because android and Samsung are such a threat to apple, they decide to sue hoping to destroy Samsung's and slow down the android momentum. But now that Google is involved who happens to be a big bad ass. Apple will ultimately lose or setting to drop charges.
This is definitely a fight that can go both ways. And no doubt we are in to experience and epic dual between Samsung/Google (android in general) and apple.
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I don't necessarily think that apples phones are ****ty. I think they are a good smartphone. Samsung and apple are two very good companies. And apple started by providing a quality phone straight across the board and great customer service. So now Samsung finally caught on to the strategy that was obviously working and decided to do the same in its own way.
Android is the kicker that is scaring apple. Because apple is open source and the open community is doing outstanding things and pushing android past its "boundaries". In return this is what Samsung used to become as important in the smartphone market. We see the same in others. HTC...
So because android and Samsung are such a threat to apple, they decide to sue hoping to destroy Samsung's and slow down the android momentum. But now that Google is involved who happens to be a big bad ass. Apple will ultimately lose or setting to drop charges.
This is definitely a fight that can go both ways. And no doubt we are in to experience and epic dual between Samsung/Google (android in general) and apple.
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Lolol apple will NEVER be open source, Apple's too *****y to do it.
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Apple is definitely taking this a bit too far. Insecurity? Maybe. Though Apple's products so far have been really nice, I find it a little disturbing that a patent for designs can even be issued...that too based on the shape. The monopoly that will (?) follow would not be in favour of the industry nor would it be in favour of the customers.

All old and worthless now.....let em mess with the older ones...
• Galaxy S 4G
• Galaxy S2 AT&T
• Galaxy S2 Skyrocket
• Galaxy S2 T-Mobile
• Galaxy S2 Epic 4G
• Galaxy S Showcase
• Droid Charge
• Galaxy Prevail
Apple is friggin stupid. Talk about monopoly. They tried this crap back in MA Bell days. And look at it today. Keep fighting Samsung, you will win.

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All old and worthless now.....let em mess with the older ones...
• Galaxy S 4G
• Galaxy S2 AT&T
• Galaxy S2 Skyrocket
• Galaxy S2 T-Mobile
• Galaxy S2 Epic 4G
• Galaxy S Showcase
• Droid Charge
• Galaxy Prevail
Apple is friggin stupid. Talk about monopoly. They tried this crap back in MA Bell days. And look at it today. Keep fighting Samsung, you will win.
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Gs2 still sells, this would hurt Samsung as well as carriers
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Gs2 still sells, this would hurt Samsung as well as carriers
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This.
Even though these are no longer premier flagships, the GSII line is still in the upper echelon all things considered.
Though I will admit that the droid charge can be banned from earth as far as that goes.

I am not sure Nazi Apple are targeting Sprints GS2 but I heard rumors that Boost Mobile is going to release that phone for Sprints Prepaid line up.
I was tricked into buying the galaxy s 3 because I thought it was an iPhone
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I would not cry if the prevail was banned as well. A phone with so little usable memory should have never been put on the shelves. Samsung should be taken to court over that phone for stupidity and pay everyone who owned one a full refund...
I was tricked into buying the galaxy s 3 because I thought it was an iPhone
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Just glad our phone isn't on there...

Wow
I've been reading all about this, and I am just APPALLED if I have to pick a word! Apple's mama needs to spank them and put them in time out for acting like a bunch of immature, spoiled, bully brats! These are supposed to be adults, not to mention the smartest on the planet, and their acting like punks! Should Ford sue Chevy for having power windows? Or Guess sue Levi for pockets on the backs of their jeans? Or Nike sue Vans for having shoelaces? (I don't know who made what 1st, but u get it) This is ridiculous! Reminds of the schoolyard bully who wants to beat up that girl because she's prettier! I own both the iPhone and the new SGS3 - had the Vibrant before that, and although they have a similar look with similar features, they are not the same AT ALL, just 2 devices offering consumers variety and companies competition AS IT SHOULD BE! No different than 2 brands of stereos, TVs, washing machines, or anything else. They're just mad because the SGS 3 definitely kicked the iPhone's butt in every way! SO WHAT - Stop cryin, get over it, and go make a better device to compete like everyone else does, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!! Maybe Nintendo WII should sue them for making the XBOX Kinect, or Sony or whoever made the 1st walkman should sue them for making something you can listen to music on that's portable that you plug headphones into! Jeez people, COME ON!!!! I'm getting rid of my Apple devices promptly, and I don't care if Apple makes a device that makes my money, cooks, washes my dishes, and tucks me in at night - I will NEVER buy from them again, just on principle! I refuse to support a bunch bullying spoiled BRATS that are showing my kids the exact behavior that I have always tried to tell them is NEVER OK and will not be tolerated! I still can't believe anyone is condoning this crap! Unbelievable!

People put it to Apple with your wallet. I used to buy all kinds of apple products but stopped two years ago as I do not agree with their business practices. I encourage you to do the same if you feel likewise.

vw671 said:
People put it to Apple with your wallet. I used to buy all kinds of apple products but stopped two years ago as I do not agree with their business practices. I encourage you to do the same if you feel likewise.
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Well put crayzeeteri, well put. Microsoft did it because they had no competition, big bullies back in the day, similar with this Apple crap.
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TheAxman said:
Well put crayzeeteri, well put. Microsoft did it because they had no competition, big bullies back in the day, similar with this Apple crap.
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Well thank ya! Kinda got a lil wordy, maybe a bit carried away Really won't hurt me at all, I just got a lil heated over the fact that they can get away with it and that our justice system is actually that retarted that they would rule in favor and therefore tell the world this is bs acceptable. On a side note, y'all ever seen the LG Prada?(pic below) It came out long before iPhone....hmmmm....look familiar? Just thought it was funny considering a huge part of their ***** - sorry, "case" was the shape/look. LOL! Now I'd actually LMFAO if LG turned around n sued them! Just to make a point!

crayzeeteri said:
Well thank ya! Kinda got a lil wordy, maybe a bit carried away Really won't hurt me at all, I just got a lil heated over the fact that they can get away with it and that our justice system is actually that retarted that they would rule in favor and therefore tell the world this is bs acceptable. On a side note, y'all ever seen the LG Prada?(pic below) It came out long before iPhone....hmmmm....look familiar? Just thought it was funny considering a huge part of their ***** - sorry, "case" was the shape/look. LOL! Now I'd actually LMFAO if LG turned around n sued them! Just to make a point!
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HEHE I sold my iPad this morning (after reading your post lastnight) to a co-worker here, and agree, I will NEVER buy an apple product again. Got me some spending money, now I am going to buy the wife a Galaxy S3 to. This is her lucky day....