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Carrier IQ busted on video: records keystrokes, web traffic

this just came into my news feed..smh
http://androidcommunity.com/carrier...130/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

Must be a bit embarrassing when Carrier IQ PR says publicly that the software does not record keystrokes, then it's shown doing it by the same guy they threatened to sue.
Whoops!

This definitely explains why Carrier IQ PR was so defensive over Trev's findings. Isn't this a direct violation of privacy?

I saw Trevor's video yesterday but I figured it was already over here somewhere. Thanks for posting it for others to see.
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Damn seeing this exposed so deep angers me they've been doing this
This has to be illegal right? Especially the sneakiness the shady company is
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.

Some good ol fashioned trial lawyers need to jump all over this with a class action lawsuit.

Lol I just emailed engadget, gizmodo, cnn, kvoa, and kgun9 with the info on this CarrierIQ crap. If more people demand answers about what CarrierIQ is doing please contact other sites, news organizations and tell whats up, mmk.

MikeC84 said:
Lol I just emailed engadget, gizmodo, cnn, kvoa, and kgun9 with the info on this CarrierIQ crap. If more people demand answers about what CarrierIQ is doing please contact other sites, news organizations and tell whats up, mmk.
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We went to CarrierIQ before and all they said was that nothing of importance was gathered and it was there to monitor weak signal areas.
But, this video surely shows different. I am betting this is the Government wanting to monitor everything for security purposes.

I'd really like to know why it is sending out the content of my text messages. How does that allow the carrier and/or manufacturer improve their product?

The Patriot Act pretty much has removed all of the safe guards we once had as citizens of America...
Not much chance we will ever get our privacy rights back as they once were...

It doesn't... But if you say something like... I have the materials to build the bomb, or I just got 20 kilos of uncut, the Feds raid you!
Go Carrier IQ!

wase4711 said:
The Patriot Act pretty much has removed all of the safe guards we once had as citizens of America...
Not much chance we will ever get our privacy rights back as they once were...
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Didn't know Carrier IQ reported to the DOD....

Ain't that some ****....
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12MaNy said:
Didn't know Carrier IQ reported to the DOD....
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Lol, right on. It all depends on the terms of your contract. If it violates any of those terms sprint is obliged to cancel your contract.
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Just saw this too.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ve-violated-wiretap-law-in-millions-of-cases/

IA-32e said:
Just saw this too.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ve-violated-wiretap-law-in-millions-of-cases/
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Was just about to post this. Good that this is getting some exposure, hopefully that'll make more people question CIQ.

IA-32e said:
Just saw this too.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ve-violated-wiretap-law-in-millions-of-cases/
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Nice .. I'm happy to see this getting some press at media hub like Forbes. Hopefully it will get picked up by more of the mainstream media outlets. If the average mobile phone user gets wind of what CIQ is doing there's going to be a serious ****storm I think. People get wicked over their privacy, and rightly so. Meanwhile, Verizon will kick back and laugh about the whole thing while they pick up more customers and count their benjamins.

I'm late to all this and I just googled the company, first thing I read was this:
With Carrier IQ they do. Carrier IQ’s Mobile Service Intelligence solution eliminates guesswork by automatically providing accurate, real-time data direct from the source – your customers' handsets.
In the press statement they contradict this lol.

wase4711 said:
The Patriot Act pretty much has removed all of the safe guards we once had as citizens of America...
Not much chance we will ever get our privacy rights back as they once were...
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Gonna have to disagree. The patriot act cannot supercede the bill of rights. Someone just needs to take the patriot act to the supreme court.

nubsors said:
Gonna have to disagree. The patriot act cannot supercede the bill of rights. Someone just needs to take the patriot act to the supreme court.
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Its only a matter of time. The Patriot Act barely got extended right before it was due to expire and it happened rather quietly
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Help me understand Google's new policies, implemented Mar 1.

A lot of people are buzzing about changes to Google's privacy policies. From my understanding, they pool all of your Google things together to make the Google experience a little more streamlined. I looked at my Google dashboard and saw no surprises, and am completely fine with everything I saw there. A lot of sited like Gizmodo, Washington Post, etc, are claiming that this is a downward move for Google, and that it portrays corporate evil. They claim (and users who post in comments) that they're going to rid themselves of everything Google... why?
Am I missing something?
I love Google, I love their free services, I love their phones, I love Android. I can't just quit it all like these websites are saying people should.
Now, I don't fall in line with others or follow, for lack of a better term, but I feel like I'm missing something very large.
Google has access to my searches. Emails. Contacts.
Google can see my phones, what apps I download, where I am via Google Maps, etc.
Google knows who I am as a human.
This doesn't bother me, but I feel like it should. Please tell me what I'm missing, and tell me why its bad that they have access to all these things. Because right now I'm OK with that fact. Who am I? Why am I so important to them that they're looking at me out of the millions and millions of other people using their services, all equal with me?
Please help me understand this.
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Immediately following your post, I went to Gizmodo to read their article about Google's privacy changes (Google's Broken Promise: The End of "Don't Be Evil").
Being an occasional Gizmodo reader, I was surprised to see the moderator's reaction to the comments below the article. He used some pretty foul language and insults, very unbecoming of a Gizmodo employee.
Most of the commenters' quips seem to be questioning the sensationalism of the article, usually defending Google's stance. The majority of the comments are actually just backlash against the moderator, who in turn threatened bans against commenters whose opinions collided with his own.
I'm a die-hard Lifehacker fan... but it seems the Gawker network needs to clean house and hire some professionals.

PolyOlefin said:
I'm a die-hard Lifehacker fan... but it seems the Gawker network needs to clean house and hire some professionals.
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I agree. I do enjoy reading some Gawker sites, but they're getting really *****y and obnoxious lately.

So to the subject, should we be worried?

ztm.000 said:
So to the subject, should we be worried?
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Doesn't this fall to a matter of trust?
Admittedly, I'm firmly in the Google camp when compared to the spectrum of its competitors. However, I'm also innately suspicious of corporate business, as their loyalty to profit trumps any consideration for their users/employees (Google is better than most).
They explicitly state they're not selling your information to third-parties; it's being used to improve their own services, which any company would do. Facebook is doing similar things, but people aren't going to abandon Facebook. As long as Google remains an anonymizing proxy between myself and other companies, I'm fine with it.
Ultimately, the average user doesn't have anything worth keeping secret from Google's algorithms. What's that? Google's ad-targeting you for dog collars because you posted a YouTube video of your basset hound swimming in a pool? Nobody cares.
In a Big Brother, "1984" sense, I suppose you could argue it's a slippery slope. Again, doesn't it boil down to individual trust? There are certain companies I trust more than others, and Google ranks pretty high on my list.
Am I being naive? Is my bias keeping their transgressions out of the light? Perhaps we need a Google-hater to weigh in for some perspective.

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I don't know, should you? Do you care that data Google took from you in Gmail is now being used while you're using Chrome? Because that's all that is changing.
They're not taking any additional data.
They're not removing anything.
They're taking what they already did, and applying it to all aspects of your Google accounts. IE: you'll see more similar ad's.
APOCALYPSE NIGH! Gizmodo is a joke.

I don't think we need to be worried.
Question is, what does Google want from us, our money they just want to sell us products. By combining data from all different Google services, they are just trying to create a profile for me, that will help them better identify what I may need, and try to sell it to us.
The problem lies with the fact that the aggregated data may become too incriminating if one has something to hide. But for me, the only fear is with that data being hacked and sold to those who like to operate above the law.
So is Google back to being evil? Nope, they never were. But they have a lot if power, and with great power, comes great responsibility.
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To sum it up, Google is simply taking all the information it already has of you throughout its services (Gmail, G+, YouTube, etc) and letting these services share this information between themselves.
Google is probably the only company I trust with my privacy. I suggest you take a look at Google's Policies & Principles page, where they list the new (and current) policy and how it affects you. Don't be afraid to read it, they're not hiding behind legal mumbo jumbo, they make it very easy to read and understand.
I'm pretty sure all of these sites are making a huge deal out of this because Google has consistently been pumping out successful services one after the other, and they're using this policy change to:
1) Get pageviews, and thus money, and
2) Its "fun" to try and see the "perfect kid around the block" fail.
Also, Gawker Media f* sucks and has for a very long time now.

We are not in position to point fingers and take positions. Nothing we know (at least for sure) about what google do with our data.
We just cant forget one thing: When the product is free, YOU are the product.
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Google could be a government front for a division of project echelon and I wouldn't care. I love their products and they give everything away for free with the exception of adwords. Win win for consumers when a company raises the bar and doesn't charge you for it.

The Google’s Broken Promise: The End of "Don’t Be Evil" article reminds me why I only ever visit Gizmodo a handful of times a year.
I don't care what Google do with my info if I'm honest, as long as they aren't selling it, and I'm not getting my inbox spammed with 100's of 'Canadian Pharmacy' e-mails I really couldn't give a ****.

Wow, I read article heading this morning and was saddened by the fact that Google had "gone Evil". I often skim the titles in my RSS feed (which includes Giz) when I've only got 10 minutes during breakfast to read the news.
After reading this thread, then that thread with its comments, I've lost a lot of respect for Gizmodo and its moderators. What sensationalist garbage. The authors never say what has even "changed" in the privacy policy, only that it was rewritten and the sharing of personal data between Google services is emphasized. Honestly, I had assumed that all of Google's services would be running the same ad targeting code anyway.
As one commenter in the Giz thread mentions, take a look at Facebook. Now that is scary. A network that defaults to public sharing whenever they roll out a new feature? I've lost count of the number of times I had to log on to Facebook specifically to check my privacy settings. Even so, I've erased as much of my personal information as possible, messing up my own experience, simply because I don't trust that Facebook cares even a little bit about me.
Yes, Google's a public company, and has first loyalty to its shareholders. However, it does that by cultivating a user base that trusts it. If they wreck that by sharing users' data with third parties or messing up search results (cough cough, get it together guys), they could see their entire company go down in flames. And that wouldn't be profitable at all.

Some of the editors in Gizmodo are terrible apple fan boys. I remember one article of one of them where he wrote that he had 2 ipads and how fantastic they were. He also said he had an android tablet that he claims gave him such a bad user experience that he had even forgotten where it was...
So many of these "news" websites are run by trendy hipster people that have no other choice than loathe Apple.
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PolyOlefin said:
Immediately following your post, I went to Gizmodo to read their article about Google's privacy changes (Google's Broken Promise: The End of "Don't Be Evil").
Being an occasional Gizmodo reader, I was surprised to see the moderator's reaction to the comments below the article. He used some pretty foul language and insults, very unbecoming of a Gizmodo employee.
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Gizmodo has always been an unprofessional, sensationalist blog. I intentionally quit reading after the iPhone 4 "stolen phone" debacle. It's like a bunch of high schoolers started a blog together.
As to the subject, if you don't see why you should be concerned, then don't worry about it. Everyone has different beliefs about privacy. Personally, I'm not very concerned about whatever data Google has, but I can understand why others do.

The End of "Don’t Be Evil"

blackdub370 said:
The End of "Don’t Be Evil"
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If you read this thread, you would see that we're actually about The End of The End of "Don't Be Evil"

Google knows my name
Google knows my screen names
Google knows my location
Google knows my devices
Google knows my home
Google sees my conversations
Google sees my emails
Google sees my search history
Google sees what I type
Google hears my voice
Google sees my face..........
Google now takes (what they already know) emails/gtalk and enhances my searches (which they already see), then can narrow it down by my location (which they already have).....
I fail to see a problem. Guys (not you... mostly opponents) we signed up for this when we entered the digital age. Our info is out there and have signed up to give it out. Quit *****ing and go live in your hole for the rest of your life. Here's a fact:
I opened my gmail, yahoo and Hotmail accounts at roughly the same time. Yahoo has become completely unusable due to spam, I'm obviously some Saudi Princes relative on Hotmail...... but gmail is spam free... there's a reason for it. I trust Google, I have to.
But I know there's a price for free service. 20 years ago we all had AAA subscriptions because we wanted the maps. Those maps we paid for didn't have street view, and we couldn't ask the map where the nearest restaurant was. We don't pay for these services... they are available for us for free.......
That's just my. 02
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I have absolutely no issue with this. I think it's obvious that Gizmodo wrote this article in this way to be an alarmist. It was designed to get readers and that's exactly what it did. In the end though, the article is really a POS.

Not sure why anyone, especially android fans, read gizmodo anymore. Check out the verge. They have much better and much less biased editors and writers.

lucasmalaguti said:
We are not in position to point fingers and take positions. Nothing we know (at least for sure) about what google do with our data.
We just cant forget one thing: When the product is free, YOU are the product.
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I don't disagree with you, but you are essentially describing the Internet as a whole.

HTC lowers Q2 expectations

Here are the "good" news for HTC...
Hopefully they will now care more about their customers and finally give us S-OFF devices and better customer support and not "kill" our warranty...
I guess they make a wrong decision ignoring people on XDA and dnt fix things faster and many customers were scared about buying a faulty flagship phone ?

muamers said:
Here are the "good" news for HTC...
Hopefully they will now care more about their customers and finally give us S-OFF devices and better customer support and not "kill" our warranty...
I guess they make a wrong decision ignoring people on XDA and dnt fix things faster and many customers were scared about buying a faulty flagship phone ?
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So what is your estimate of the number of people in the world who considered buying a HOX compared to the number of people on XDA who own a HOX? I suspect you'll find that even if everyone in this forum never bought another HTC phone, the effects on HTC's global profits would be less than noticeable.
Plus, if you actually read the article it tells you what the root causes of the dip in sales are.
I truly wish it were otherwise.

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So what is your estimate of the number of people in the world who considered buying a HOX compared to the number of people on XDA who own a HOX? I suspect you'll find that even if everyone in this forum never bought another HTC phone, the effects on HTC's global profits would be less than noticeable.
Plus, if you actually read the article it tells you what the root causes of the dip in sales are.
I truly wish it were otherwise.
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"The main reasons for the sub-par performance are the lower than expected sales in Europe and the customs problems in the US (with Apple)."
They plane more and sell less ... if you ask me, thats because of the slow reaction on customers needs (not just for the OneX). For example, amazon UK has paused the OneX sales because to much returns.
The problems in the US dont affect this much because they had probably planed that Apple will stop the sales there, they always do such things (like they do now do with the SGS3).

Of course HTC will offer its shareholders a wealth of reasons for their abysmal performance, non of which, as a rule, due to bad management decisions.
Further, we at xda (and other forums) are the collective of lighthouse customers in this industry, who make or break devices. It's ancient american business theory that obviously hasn't reached over to either China yet.
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schiphol said:
Of course HTC will offer its shareholders a wealth of reasons for their abysmal performance, non of which, as a rule, due to bad management decisions.
Further, we at xda (and other forums) are the collective of lighthouse customers in this industry, who make or break devices. It's ancient american business theory that obviously hasn't reached over to either China yet.
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Your thinly veiled patronising or racist (depending on how charitable a mood I'm in) swipe aside, the fact that you think that XDA is a major influence reveals your major bias.
Also I mean all American companies are friendly and cuddly and consumer friendly, I mean they wouldn't force RIAA and MPAA down the throats of other companies nor spread the cancer of BS software patents everywhere or engage in monopolistic or cartel behaviour or.... oh wait....
And if you're the kind of person who tells a non-techie friend not to get XYZ phone because the vendor doesn't support SOFF (in spite of the phone itself being very good) then well I guess everyone gets the friends they deserve.

I would imagine that 99% of smart phone buyers have no idea what s off is and would think think that rooting a phone involved burying it in mud, IMHO the smartphone market is driven by fashion 1st, specs second and apps third. HTC are in the same boat as all other android headset makers on points 2 and 3 but who can predict the fickle nature of fashion?

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Your thinly veiled patronising or racist (depending on how charitable a mood I'm in) swipe aside, the fact that you think that XDA is a major influence reveals your major bias.
Also I mean all American companies are friendly and cuddly and consumer friendly, I mean they wouldn't force RIAA and MPAA down the throats of other companies nor spread the cancer of BS software patents everywhere or engage in monopolistic or cartel behaviour or.... oh wait....
And if you're the kind of person who tells a non-techie friend not to get XYZ phone because the vendor doesn't support SOFF (in spite of the phone itself being very good) then well I guess everyone gets the friends they deserve.
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It's not about me telling my friends not to get a phone because it doesn't support s-off. It's about a collective of first adopters (generally thought to be around 13% of the total market), whose perception of a product acts as an inhibitor or catalyst for access to the remaining 87% of the market. I think it's no coincidence that HTCs decline started with abysmal early sales of the completely locked down Sensation.
Oh and the 99% that was mentioned here who supposedly wouldn't care. Think of this: titanium backup had already been installed 5M times by the time the total number of activated android phones had yet to reach 150M.
Edit: and I never said all American companies are customer friendly. But I would argue that they generally take the common sense approach of not actively cutting out early adopters from the markets they heavily depend on. O'well at least HTCs management saved some warranty expenses this year haha.
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OK, 95% I stand corrected

Unlocking cell phones update

Hey XDA, I got this today from the petition I signed trying to fight for our right to unlock and change carriers. I am copying and pasting the letter..... it is lenghty, but worth the read through......
It's Time to Legalize Cell Phone Unlocking
By R. David Edelman, Senior Advisor for Internet, Innovation, & Privacy
Thank you for sharing your views on cell phone unlocking with us through your petition on our We the People platform. Last week the White House brought together experts from across government who work on telecommunications, technology, and copyright policy, and we're pleased to offer our response.
The White House agrees with the 114,000+ of you who believe that consumers should be able to unlock their cell phones without risking criminal or other penalties. In fact, we believe the same principle should also apply to tablets, which are increasingly similar to smart phones. And if you have paid for your mobile device, and aren't bound by a service agreement or other obligation, you should be able to use it on another network. It's common sense, crucial for protecting consumer choice, and important for ensuring we continue to have the vibrant, competitive wireless market that delivers innovative products and solid service to meet consumers' needs.
This is particularly important for secondhand or other mobile devices that you might buy or receive as a gift, and want to activate on the wireless network that meets your needs -- even if it isn't the one on which the device was first activated. All consumers deserve that flexibility.
The White House's position detailed in this response builds on some critical thinking done by the President's chief advisory Agency on these matters: the Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA). For more context and information on the technical aspects of the issue, you can review the NTIA's letter to the Library of Congress' Register of Copyrights (.pdf), voicing strong support for maintaining the previous exception to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for cell phone carrier unlocking.
Contrary to the NTIA's recommendation, the Librarian of Congress ruled that phones purchased after January of this year would no longer be exempted from the DMCA. The law gives the Librarian the authority to establish or eliminate exceptions -- and we respect that process. But it is also worth noting the statement the Library of Congress released today on the broader public policy concerns of the issue. Clearly the White House and Library of Congress agree that the DMCA exception process is a rigid and imperfect fit for this telecommunications issue, and we want to ensure this particular challenge for mobile competition is solved.
So where do we go from here?
The Obama Administration would support a range of approaches to addressing this issue, including narrow legislative fixes in the telecommunications space that make it clear: neither criminal law nor technological locks should prevent consumers from switching carriers when they are no longer bound by a service agreement or other obligation.
We also believe the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), with its responsibility for promoting mobile competition and innovation, has an important role to play here. FCC Chairman Genachowski today voiced his concern about mobile phone unlocking (.pdf), and to complement his efforts, NTIA will be formally engaging with the FCC as it addresses this urgent issue.
Finally, we would encourage mobile providers to consider what steps they as businesses can take to ensure that their customers can fully reap the benefits and features they expect when purchasing their devices.
We look forward to continuing to work with Congress, the wireless and mobile phone industries, and most importantly you -- the everyday consumers who stand to benefit from this greater flexibility -- to ensure our laws keep pace with changing technology, protect the economic competitiveness that has led to such innovation in this space, and offer consumers the flexibility and freedoms they deserve.
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I think all of it is a load of crap. Its benefitting all but those of us who want to unlock our devices...........

moparfreak426 said:
I think all of it is a load of crap. Its benefitting all but those of us who want to unlock our devices...........
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Did you even read the letter?
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graydiggy said:
Did you even read the letter?
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Mopar cant read man. Cut him some slack, kid can't even keep his pants on in public.
I like to break stuff!

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Mopar cant read man. Cut him some slack, kid can't even keep his pants on in public.
I like to break stuff!
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lol... i read it granted half asleep but from what I see it's still illegal and they have to follow in compliance with fcc and such
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moparfreak426 said:
lol... i read it granted half asleep but from what I see it's still illegal and they have to follow in compliance with fcc and such
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As of right now it is still illegal. In time things will get fixed. Cell companies will lose a lot of money because no one will spend huge amounts of money on a phone off contract now. If I can't unlock a phone to use on another carrier, why spend good money on it?
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I wonder, how chaotic would it be with no restrictions on any our devices and such....
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moparfreak426 said:
I wonder, how chaotic would it be with no restrictions on any our devices and such....
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Not all that chaotic. Both the original service providers of the devices and second party providers will make boatloads of money.

graydiggy said:
Not all that chaotic. Both the original service providers of the devices and second party providers will make boatloads of money.
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It would be super awesome if cdma devices were also gsm and gsms were all also cdma.... I'd like to have an Asus pasfone
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moparfreak426 said:
It would be super awesome if cdma devices were also gsm and gsms were all also cdma.... I'd like to have an Asus pasfone
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hehe but there is... CDMA world phones ;p

I read yesterday that the major companies are trying to keep the law I place by selling locked and UN locked versions of all new phones. So basically we will get to pay them more for a right we should have as a paying customer.
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Febby said:
hehe but there is... CDMA world phones ;p
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I mean if all were interchangeable... like 4core gs3, Asus padfone, etc
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What? Price of Note8 projected at 1300 USD? WTF? Don't you dare, Samsung!!!

http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/...e-their-handsets-to-the-new-galaxy-note-8.htm
After the model number leak for Note8, it has been projected the price for Note8 will be 1300 USD. I think that is sick and absurd and downright mean if Samsung goes and does this, knowing it is the robbed Note7 customers who will want this phone most.

Can you give a link to the Samsung official source for that information please. Thanks.
Ryland

Lmao I don't think so.
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Ryland Johnson said:
Can you give a link to the Samsung official source for that information please. Thanks.
Ryland
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How can I if it is leaks and roumors? Thanks.

notefreak said:
How can I if it is leaks and roumors? Thanks.
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EXACTLY! Why get your undies in a twist over absolutely nothing? You are already judging and sentencing Samsung before there is a single jot of evidence. NOT cool, not cool at all.
Ryland

They wouldn't go from 849 note 7 to 1300 note 8. That's illogical and will "degenerate" sales if anything lol.
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amyf27 said:
They wouldn't go from 849 note 7 to 1300 note 8. That's illogical and will "degenerate" sales if anything lol.
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Yeah, agreed, noone would buy a phone with that price tag with Samsung's ruined reputation.

Not if the specs and technology are ahead of its time. Explosive batteries notwithstanding.

Does anyone here think gamenguide.com is in any way a credible source? They thank you though for all the clicks you generated.

Or maybe I work for Samsung and I am just testing how far the price could go . Seriously, I think Samsung reads this forum and I think they take out opinions into considearation. If there is even a remote possibility of it happening, we must try to prevent it. OK?

Samsung should be GIVING this phone to us since we have to go through this crap #1. Since no explanation/proof was given on how dangerous these devices actually are #2. There is a failure rate of less than .0001% meaning if all products were banned that had a higher failure there would be nothing in the stores #3. No upgrade path sense of urgency for its customers they gave a ferrari too and asking them to buy a ford #4.
That is just to get started... This whole thing is unprecedented. This is the first phone that I have had that lasts a whole day of HEAVY USE and now i have to go back to bump charging. The whole way this has been handled. The lack of communication on the real reasons why. The lack of planning/empathy for making us buy a downgraded phone till we WAIT for some UNKNOWN period of time before we MAY get something comparible.. but I will bet that the Note8 aka (NEWNAME) will not have the battery life this device has.. this is probably the real reason for the recall because it is an everything phone. We dont have to buy another one......
baby steps....
baby steps....
Screw the feds and apple because they are likely behind this too!
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mooncraterx said:
no explanation/proof was given on how dangerous these devices actually are
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Samsung has said that by the end of the year, they expect to establish the cause of the fires.
mooncraterx said:
There is a failure rate of less than .0001% meaning if all products were banned that had a higher failure there would be nothing in the stores
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How did you arrive at that calculation? There were roughly 15 fires per week per million phones in use. If we say the average lifespan of the phone is two years, that would give us 1,500 fires per million phones, or 15,000 fires if ten million phones had been sold. That's a rate of 0.15%, a thousand times greater than for products considered safe. The only other kind of recent product to catch fire at that rate was the hoverboard, and those too got banned.

At this stage no one other than Samsung knows anything about a Note 8. It will never sell for 1200 usd. I wouldn't waste my energy worrying about such baseless rumours.

notefreak said:
Or maybe I work for Samsung and I am just testing how far the price could go . Seriously, I think Samsung reads this forum and I think they take out opinions into considearation. If there is even a remote possibility of it happening, we must try to prevent it. OK?
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Seriously? :silly: You really think Samsung Korea read this forum and what we write will go toward their pricing policy? Samsung produce millions of phone's per week. Have been in this business for decades well before XDA was even thought of.
How do you arrive at such postulations?
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
Seriously? :silly: You really think Samsung Korea read this forum and what we write will go toward their pricing policy? Samsung produce millions of phone's per week. Have been in this business for decades well before XDA was even thought of.
How do you arrive at such postulations?
Ryland
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Because they would be crazy not to care about their most faithul customer base. Xda is most known android forum forum everywhere.
Anyway, we seem to disagree on just about everything and you have been on my case since I came to this forum. Obviously no point in discussing anything with each other. Please don't quote me again or mention me. I won't either. Thank you.

notefreak said:
Because they would be crazy not to care about their most faithul customer base. Xda is most known android forum forum everywhere.
Anyway, we seem to disagree on just about everything and you have been on my case since I came to this forum. Obviously no point in discussing anything with each other. Please don't quote me again or mention me. I won't either. Thank you.
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No problem :good:. I wont reply to your posts IF you don't start malicious unfounded rumours that give false information to people who read this forum. I ask you again to substantiate your initial post.
I can also assure you I am not on your case. I reply to posts to make a contribution regardless who the OP is. Its true I do seem to cross swords with you here as in equal terms you do seem to write some odd posts. Samsung has hardly completed the recall of the Note 7 and you are writing inflammatory posts quoting prices that do not come from Samsung and you are unable to reference?!
Ryland

I just heard from my dealers sisters boyfriend cousin that it going to be 4739.99 usd
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Since we are pulling numbers out of our arses, I say $999US max! Its less than the psychological $1000 consumer barrier and incrementally more than the Note 7 especially if Samsung adds what it believes to be "justifiable innovations". Oh, and of course $999 is sell-able to Samsung because they know that in many markets globally phones are financed (ex. less than 10% of ppl on this forum walk into a retail location and plop $850 on the counter for a phone). At this point its all just speculation...

If Samsung has a Note 8 lined up, but has the hardware and features that are ahead of its time to justify the high retail price, then why not?
But I digress. It's pointless to freak out over an unsubstantiated rumour. You're only wasting your own time and energy.

I am not malicious, Ryland just doesn't get it but I have seen him bully many users here that kept the Note7, says a lot.
I can't/won't aford a phone that costs me more than 40 EUR a month for two years (and it better be the best out there to cost that much). Unless it has holografic calls and teleportation abilities. And can replicate any meal or thing I need. Samsung will lose many customers if they get greedy to make up for profit loss from Note7 fiasco.