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Alright guys not trying to start another "I heard" thread but I read some upsetting news today.....it seems the community is going to begin to dwindle.....maybe not for us specifically but more for some of the newer phone models... I took some interest in the Droid bionic today and so I decided to go look at the thread for it.....under the general topic there was a discussion about Verizon beginning to crack down on root users. This is due mainly to the theft of services (WiFi tether). This crack down will mean Verizon completely locking down the bootloader and making phones unrootable. Theyre even going as far as to back this up with network locks. If your new device isn't verified on there network with an unrooted Rom, they will potentially lock down your service so you can't use your phone for anything essentially. Now as of right now it appears that they are focused mainly on new devices and they aren't so worried with us. I can completely understand why they would want to stop the theft of this service but at the same time this news comes as a bummer. How long will it be until Verizon locks down root altogether? And this isn't even just Verizon but rather a joint venture across multiple carriers. I don't know how to link but go look it up if youre interested guys. It's under Droid bionic general. I don't know how to take this information....but anyways let's get some input rolling here. What do you guys think about this? And better yet anyone think its gonna affect our devices at some point?
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Hey man, I can honestly say that I think this is complete bull! Haha. Why would they take away the boot loader?? Thats aa main trouble shoot tool in its self, and if this does happen. I highly doubt that it would stop root. We would be able to get past it.
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Read the thread....even if they do get around it there will be back ups that will kill service to any rooted device. Idk if this is true but its interesting
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We have wayy too many smart devs to let this happen. I'm not worried
This is a rumor from ONE source. People have been getting all upset over this but until anything actually happens, it's just that. A rumor.
Besides, if Verizon is worried about people tethering for free, it would make more sense to charge for data on a tiered level like they're probably going to start doing anyway.
Wild rumors and speculation based on forum posts, which link back to other forum posts, which link to other forums.... which eventually circle back to one guy who doesn't provide any back-up for his claims.
The original panic started here:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...otloaders-rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html
Can we please restore some sanity to the community? Will people please stop panicking based on a bunch of "I heard..." and vague references to unnamed, unconfirmed sources?
Am I saying that this is impossible? No. But as intelligent adults, should we not demand a higher burden of proof than vague references to "multiple channels"? If there really are multiple channels that can confirm this vast conspiracy, why hasn't it broken as a reputable news story anywhere? One dude cracked the case, but no one else can corroborate it or cite anything?
This is claimed to be an effort to crack down on unauthorized tethering. If that is the goal, what seems more likely?
1. The claim that "Multiple carriers were working collaboratively on a program that would be able to identify rooted users and create a database of their meids."
or
2. Phone companies will just start phasing out unlimited data in favor of tiered plans
Given that we're already seeing #2 happen on some carriers, I'll put my money on that.
Of course, people love David and Goliath stories, so I doubt these rumors will ever die, just like the Placebo Throttle Remover will never die.
Yea, maybe all the phone companies have gotten together and are developing super secret methods of tracking us down. And maybe the Reverse Vampires are involved. And the Masons.
The original panic rumor claims that these things are already happening. For example:
"More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program."
Sooooooo..... if it's already happening, there should be some evidence, right?
P.S. - I have heard from multiple sources that XDA is going to start tracking members by injecting code into any attachment that is placed on this forum. I've confirmed it through multiple channels. No, I can't be any more specific than that: I hope you understand. After all, this is top secret information... I can't just go tossing it around. It's a vast conspiracy, but they've managed to keep it completely bottled up.
Don't believe me!?!? Well, just wait until it happens to youuuuuuuu!!!!! (Scary music)
byrong, thank you!
byrong said:
Wild rumors and speculation based on forum posts, which link back to other forum posts, which link to other forums.... which eventually circle back to one guy who doesn't provide any back-up for his claims.
The original panic started here:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...otloaders-rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html
Can we please restore some sanity to the community? Will people please stop panicking based on a bunch of "I heard..." and vague references to unnamed, unconfirmed sources?
Am I saying that this is impossible? No. But as intelligent adults, should we not demand a higher burden of proof than vague references to "multiple channels"? If there really are multiple channels that can confirm this vast conspiracy, why hasn't it broken as a reputable news story anywhere? One dude cracked the case, but no one else can corroborate it or cite anything?
This is claimed to be an effort to crack down on unauthorized tethering. If that is the goal, what seems more likely?
1. The claim that "Multiple carriers were working collaboratively on a program that would be able to identify rooted users and create a database of their meids."
or
2. Phone companies will just start phasing out unlimited data in favor of tiered plans
Given that we're already seeing #2 happen on some carriers, I'll put my money on that.
Of course, people love David and Goliath stories, so I doubt these rumors will ever die, just like the Placebo Throttle Remover will never die.
Yea, maybe all the phone companies have gotten together and are developing super secret methods of tracking us down. And maybe the Reverse Vampires are involved. And the Masons.
The original panic rumor claims that these things are already happening. For example:
"More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program."
Sooooooo..... if it's already happening, there should be some evidence, right?
P.S. - I have heard from multiple sources that XDA is going to start tracking members by injecting code into any attachment that is placed on this forum. I've confirmed it through multiple channels. No, I can't be any more specific than that: I hope you understand. After all, this is top secret information... I can't just go tossing it around. It's a vast conspiracy, but they've managed to keep it completely bottled up.
Don't believe me!?!? Well, just wait until it happens to youuuuuuuu!!!!! (Scary music)
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Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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I believe a thread about this was discussed a few weeks ago and closed. I dont believe it will happen snyways
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I believe a thread about this was discussed a few weeks ago and closed. I dont believe it will happen snyways
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I don't necesarilly believe it will happen but is it plausible? yes....You can't deny that major carriers and development teams have more knowledge, experience, and capability then ANY developer on xda. Look at the past. Apple actually brought out a lawsuit trying to keep people from jailbreaking devices. So while we may all sit around and laugh at the idea and while it is just a bunch of hear say at this point, it is definitely plausible. And i do agree that it may just be easier to do tiered data plans, but then that kind of screws over verizon's customers who actually pay for tether. So you can kind of understand why they wouldn't want to continue to move on that route. Both options are viable and neither of them appears to be any sort of threat right now. As stated above, right now it's just a bunch of threads linking back to other threads linking back to other threads. And I don't know how much there is to believe about it but none the less it definitely could happen.... But hopefully nothing will happen....I mean come on manufacturers hardly keep their devices up to date...2.3 has already been dropped on how many devices and we're still waiting for it. People are on to sense 3.0 and we still have 1.0 on our stock rom. If they decide to kill the independent dev community then they better start dropping crazy updates with extremely customizable roms. It just seems like too much work that would ultimately end in manufacturers and providers losing money. Sooo ya. probs not gonna happen
If people didnt abuse tether, it wouldnt be an issue. So much free wifi, i cant think of last time i tethered. I also actually pay for internet at hone, yet i know several who tether for home internet.
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Verizon would be foolish to do this. People are attracted to their service due to the freedom of android...
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Damn dude.....just trying to put some discussion into this topic. Ouch. I understand and preface this with not trying to start another I heard thread.....I wasn't trying to instill panic in anyone. No need to write up an essay and a half of flame. Simply giving some discussion topic.
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It's not a flame, it's just the truth... There really is not a whole lot to be concerned about. It's out of our control so whatever happens happens, we'll have to deal with it when it shows up, IF it shows up. But why be so concerned about it?
Having said that, as far as rooting goes, they SHOULD embrace developers and allow us to use our roms and stuff legally... but I think that there is stuff set in writing and signatures that are still in effect for the time being. I see them never allowing us to root, but compromising by letting us set our own defaults and not having to use their proprietary carrier BS eventually. Whatever we make our phones into (right now) creates a market, and where there's a market there's money. We'll either have the perfect phone or the option to make the perfect phone, just like we can buy the perfect PC or make the perfect PC. Well, at least as far as software goes.
I personally believe we'll ultimately get what we want to the point where rooting is useless as far as ordinary everyday users go. But right now we don't know what this whole smartphone craze is or what its gonna be when it finally plateaus, and neither do the manufacturers & carriers so they can't exactly crack whips on our backs for doing all of this yet.
Besides, the hackers that make these roms make the phones better. They turn us into brand and carrier loyalists. The Optimus, Galaxy S, Xperia, HTC & Droids all have followings for different reasons, and the developers are the most rabid and loyal of them all. They might not NEED us, but we're still pretty freaking important.
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Alright guys not trying to start another "I heard" thread but I read some upsetting news today.....it seems the community is going to begin to dwindle.....maybe not for us specifically but more for some of the newer phone models... I took some interest in the Droid bionic today and so I decided to go look at the thread for it.....under the general topic there was a discussion about Verizon beginning to crack down on root users. This is due mainly to the theft of services (WiFi tether). This crack down will mean Verizon completely locking down the bootloader and making phones unrootable. Theyre even going as far as to back this up with network locks. If your new device isn't verified on there network with an unrooted Rom, they will potentially lock down your service so you can't use your phone for anything essentially. Now as of right now it appears that they are focused mainly on new devices and they aren't so worried with us. I can completely understand why they would want to stop the theft of this service but at the same time this news comes as a bummer. How long will it be until Verizon locks down root altogether? And this isn't even just Verizon but rather a joint venture across multiple carriers. I don't know how to link but go look it up if youre interested guys. It's under Droid bionic general. I don't know how to take this information....but anyways let's get some input rolling here. What do you guys think about this? And better yet anyone think its gonna affect our devices at some point?
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Okay I'm going to be as nice as I can about this. It's not true. We've had so many threads about this the threads are starting to scare people. Please stop. I don't mean to be rude to you. There is not on piece of solid evidence and I've talked to soooo many people it's not even funny. Don't buy it.
I'm rooted and I have wireless tether. However, there are apps in the market (Easy Tether and PDANet, for example) that do the same thing as wireless tether, but use a USB cable and work on unrooted phones, so the argument that VZW is cracking down on rooted users due to wireless tether isn't valid. I use WT every now and then if I need to connect my laptop for work reasons when I am at a customers location. If VZW feels the need to lock my phone, well, it IS their network and they have that right. I rooted my phone to get rid of the software that was bogging my phone down.
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ucluglee said:
I'm rooted and I have wireless tether. However, there are apps in the market (Easy Tether and PDANet, for example) that do the same thing as wireless tether, but use a USB cable and work on unrooted phones, so the argument that VZW is cracking down on rooted users due to wireless tether isn't valid. I use WT every now and then if I need to connect my laptop for work reasons when I am at a customers location. If VZW feels the need to lock my phone, well, it IS their network and they have that right. I rooted my phone to get rid of the software that was bogging my phone down.
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this just came into my news feed..smh
http://androidcommunity.com/carrier...130/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Must be a bit embarrassing when Carrier IQ PR says publicly that the software does not record keystrokes, then it's shown doing it by the same guy they threatened to sue.
Whoops!
This definitely explains why Carrier IQ PR was so defensive over Trev's findings. Isn't this a direct violation of privacy?
I saw Trevor's video yesterday but I figured it was already over here somewhere. Thanks for posting it for others to see.
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Damn seeing this exposed so deep angers me they've been doing this
This has to be illegal right? Especially the sneakiness the shady company is
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Some good ol fashioned trial lawyers need to jump all over this with a class action lawsuit.
Lol I just emailed engadget, gizmodo, cnn, kvoa, and kgun9 with the info on this CarrierIQ crap. If more people demand answers about what CarrierIQ is doing please contact other sites, news organizations and tell whats up, mmk.
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Lol I just emailed engadget, gizmodo, cnn, kvoa, and kgun9 with the info on this CarrierIQ crap. If more people demand answers about what CarrierIQ is doing please contact other sites, news organizations and tell whats up, mmk.
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We went to CarrierIQ before and all they said was that nothing of importance was gathered and it was there to monitor weak signal areas.
But, this video surely shows different. I am betting this is the Government wanting to monitor everything for security purposes.
I'd really like to know why it is sending out the content of my text messages. How does that allow the carrier and/or manufacturer improve their product?
The Patriot Act pretty much has removed all of the safe guards we once had as citizens of America...
Not much chance we will ever get our privacy rights back as they once were...
It doesn't... But if you say something like... I have the materials to build the bomb, or I just got 20 kilos of uncut, the Feds raid you!
Go Carrier IQ!
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The Patriot Act pretty much has removed all of the safe guards we once had as citizens of America...
Not much chance we will ever get our privacy rights back as they once were...
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Didn't know Carrier IQ reported to the DOD....
Ain't that some ****....
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Didn't know Carrier IQ reported to the DOD....
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Lol, right on. It all depends on the terms of your contract. If it violates any of those terms sprint is obliged to cancel your contract.
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Just saw this too.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ve-violated-wiretap-law-in-millions-of-cases/
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Just saw this too.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ve-violated-wiretap-law-in-millions-of-cases/
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Was just about to post this. Good that this is getting some exposure, hopefully that'll make more people question CIQ.
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Just saw this too.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ve-violated-wiretap-law-in-millions-of-cases/
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Nice .. I'm happy to see this getting some press at media hub like Forbes. Hopefully it will get picked up by more of the mainstream media outlets. If the average mobile phone user gets wind of what CIQ is doing there's going to be a serious ****storm I think. People get wicked over their privacy, and rightly so. Meanwhile, Verizon will kick back and laugh about the whole thing while they pick up more customers and count their benjamins.
I'm late to all this and I just googled the company, first thing I read was this:
With Carrier IQ they do. Carrier IQ’s Mobile Service Intelligence solution eliminates guesswork by automatically providing accurate, real-time data direct from the source – your customers' handsets.
In the press statement they contradict this lol.
wase4711 said:
The Patriot Act pretty much has removed all of the safe guards we once had as citizens of America...
Not much chance we will ever get our privacy rights back as they once were...
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Gonna have to disagree. The patriot act cannot supercede the bill of rights. Someone just needs to take the patriot act to the supreme court.
nubsors said:
Gonna have to disagree. The patriot act cannot supercede the bill of rights. Someone just needs to take the patriot act to the supreme court.
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Its only a matter of time. The Patriot Act barely got extended right before it was due to expire and it happened rather quietly
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http://www.muckrock.com/news/archiv...rrier-iq-files-used-law-enforcement-purposes/
Thanks all you devs for keeping us safe from the people who are supposed to be keeping is safe!
crzchn said:
http://www.muckrock.com/news/archiv...rrier-iq-files-used-law-enforcement-purposes/
Thanks all you devs for keeping us safe from the people who are supposed to be keeping is safe!
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Looks like the FOIA request was denied because the data the FBI has is currently part of an investigation. It is possible that the investigation is into CarrierIQ instead of some person. It may be sign of a good thing.
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That's some scary stuff.. so since my phone is rooted.. they can't do this? Honestly.. I've never doubted the fact that the FBI or the government had the ability to trace my calls and see everything I did.. In my plot to take over the world I.. I never planned to use a cell phone
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Dwayneiztheshyt said:
That's some scary stuff.. so since my phone is rooted.. they can't do this? Honestly.. I've never doubted the fact that the FBI or the government had the ability to trace my calls and see everything I did.. In my plot to take over the world I.. I never planned to use a cell phone
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lol.. hopefully they use it for the greater good.... thats all i would have to say, there is a lot of sickos out there.
Dwayneiztheshyt said:
That's some scary stuff.. so since my phone is rooted.. they can't do this? Honestly.. I've never doubted the fact that the FBI or the government had the ability to trace my calls and see everything I did.. In my plot to take over the world I.. I never planned to use a cell phone
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Your phone has to be more than rooted to get rid of CarrierIQ, it needs to have a custom ROM as well that states that it has CIQ removed. Unnamed ROM is the best I have used so far.
But if they want to know something, they will find a way. I think, however, we should not make it easy for them.
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Your phone has to be more than rooted to get rid of CarrierIQ, it needs to have a custom ROM as well that states that it has CIQ removed. Unnamed ROM is the best I have used so far.
But if they want to know something, they will find a way. I think, however, we should not make it easy for them.
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Aha ha I agree!
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Your phone has to be more than rooted to get rid of CarrierIQ, it needs to have a custom ROM as well that states that it has CIQ removed. Unnamed ROM is the best I have used so far.
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Actually you can disable CIQ once you are rooted without needing a custom ROM.
the worst part about ciq and other non government agencies collecting data is that they are used by the fbi and cia to share info... which is illegal through direct channels. also, a third party collecting our info and delivering it to the carriers is totally unacceptable. theres tons of threads in the OG epic forums... as thats where konane first found and decided to kill CIQ. i honestly wonder if all the anti-ciq stuff really started there... then the tech pundit sites reported what was in these forums as usual... then the mainstream noticed... idunno. as far as plots to take over the world/bring down systems... keep it analog like good music. all the major telecoms have an open door policy w the feds... so its not like they would need CIQ for normal investigations... and they have a grace period to get warrants after they look at the info... patriot acts sealed the fate of privacy and liberty in this country. all because of a now dead boogeyman living in a cave... good job america... something about a jackboot on a human head... forever...
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Looks like the FOIA request was denied because the data the FBI has is currently part of an investigation. It is possible that the investigation is into CarrierIQ instead of some person. It may be sign of a good thing.
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It's the FBI. You don't think while they are combing through all that data while investigating CIQ they won't "stumble" upon certain things? Or mirror those servers? Or realize how useful to them CIQ is and say they've found nothing wrong with what CIQ or the carriers are doing?
Do you think for a moment the FBI isn't already using CIQ as a resource to catch 'terrorists'? Like how the airlines use full body scanners and the TSA to catch 'terrorists' with the same high (lmao!) efficiency.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2011/12/12/fbi-says-carrieriq-may-be-used-in-law-enforcement-proceedings/
Not saying you think any of that, just making a point. I'm pretty sure most of us are on the same page with this crap.
I think even if it is big brother watching over us, who cares? For the 99.99999999% of the US population, nothing your talking about is that important or a danger, for the small fraction of the folks that this applies to, i welcome it. I do however take issue with the fact that once the lid was blown off, how the company responded (legal action against Treve) and their continued un-truth's. Do we really think that this sort of monitoring isn't taking place now? Pretty much anytime you use a computer/IT resource for any company or agency, you consent to monitoring, the difference is declaration.
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Actually you can disable CIQ once you are rooted without needing a custom ROM.
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Actually the code may be embedded deeper than we thought. Not just at the system or kernel level, but further. I'm no microprocessor engineer but doesn't almost every chip have instruction sets or at least some sort of code written into it? Because when CIQ itself says one of the 3 methods of loading it on the device is at the hardware level - that's what it sounds like to me. Literally the chips are programed with CIQ in the code.
Remove that.
then we would have to disable it in drivers
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I think even if it is big brother watching over us, who cares? For the 99.99999999% of the US population, nothing your talking about is that important or a danger, for the small fraction of the folks that this applies to, i welcome it. I do however take issue with the fact that once the lid was blown off, how the company responded (legal action against Treve) and their continued un-truth's. Do we really think that this sort of monitoring isn't taking place now? Pretty much anytime you use a computer/IT resource for any company or agency, you consent to monitoring, the difference is declaration.
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Oh man, here we go with the "I don't have anything to hide so why should I care" section of this conversation.
I'm not embarrassed about having sex but I sure as hell am not going to let you watch. It's called privacy. Has nothing to do with having things to hide, it has to do with the basic human right to have our own space, time, thoughts, gadgets, property, voice, opinion, and so on.
There are no saints either. Everybody has lied, cheated, stolen, done something wrong that would get them in trouble. Sometimes it was a mistake or even an accident. Does that mean black helicopters should have descended on you to whisk you away to a 5x5 cell without trial? No, and why without trial? Because at this point they don't need a warrant and as per the Patriot Act you don't even have to be charged with something to be held for, well, forever. So no trial is the next logical step.
Just a little interesting fact, the US Patriot Act is actually an acronym for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act"
just calling out the fact that more than likely this already takes place and we didn't even know it before and how many CIQ's were there before them? Also, I think you are making the same similar leap. CIQ is step one, step 2 is no trial/minority report type tactics? I agree that privacy when possible should be maintained, but lets not be naive and think that it hasn't already happened.
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Prime example of the worst offender? Facebook, yet no one is up in arms about that......
I never doubted the gov would trace. Glad its gone.
This whole CIQ thing is being blown out of proportion if you ask me.
If you have nothing to hide then you really shouldn't worry, regardless.
At the end of the day these agencies are trying to help protect us weather you believe it or not. Just like with every system there are flaws that doesn't mean we should abolish them, but rather make them better !!
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just calling out the fact that more than likely this already takes place and we didn't even know it before and how many CIQ's were there before them? Also, I think you are making the same similar leap. CIQ is step one, step 2 is no trial/minority report type tactics? I agree that privacy when possible should be maintained, but lets not be naive and think that it hasn't already happened.
Prime example of the worst offender? Facebook, yet no one is up in arms about that......
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You can choose weather or not to participate with Facebook, and it is in their TOS, CIQ however, was not.
pasta1234 said:
This whole CIQ thing is being blown out of proportion if you ask me.
At the end of the day these agencies are trying to help protect us ....
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Protect us from what?
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Agreed, and I believe this was a huge oversight on their part. The point i was trying to make is there are plenty of other spaces where the privacy is willing given away with little notification and facebook is one of them. Hell they have been told they are to comply with any audits for the next 20 years.
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You can choose weather or not to participate with Facebook, and it is in their TOS, CIQ however, was not.
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pasta1234 said:
This whole CIQ thing is being blown out of proportion if you ask me.
If you have nothing to hide then you really shouldn't worry, regardless.
At the end of the day these agencies are trying to help protect us weather you believe it or not. Just like with every system there are flaws that doesn't mean we should abolish them, but rather make them better !!
Pete
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Ugh, that argument just makes me sick. Those agencies are trying to protect their livelihood, which comes from protecting us, but it's not the same thing. Police detectives get promotions partly based on their case closure rates, that means they have self interest in closing cases that might not be quite airtight. Because who doesn't want a promotion, with the prestige and money that comes with it. The CIA was certain iraq had WMD's, and was trying to obtain yellowcake uranium from Niger, because blockbuster findings like that lead to more funding, which means more turf for those section directors. They aren't all bad obviously, on the contrary I'm certain most of them want to do the right thing. It's the few that don't because they care more about their career than anything else, or the guy that is trying to do the right thing but simply gets it wrong. Mistakes happen, data gets misread or incorrectly analyzed, and people suffer for it. I don't want to be that unlucky person, so I don't want that crap operating on my phone.
See my other thread "USB connected" error over and over to get the jist of what's been going on, but basically I've been having a hell of a time getting Sprint to replace my Epic for what is obviously a hardware issue.
My phone was completely EC05 stock when I brought it in, the tech has flashed it back to EC05 twice now with what he calls their "Slate" program, I had a little disagreement w him, so I emailed the manager. This is how he responded, he essentially banned my serial number from replacement at all service centers in the region. Read this ****, it's ridiculous. I seriously felt like everyone at that store are buddy-buddy and that they just make fun of customers behind their back, they ALL had bad attitudes.
"Tyler,
I want to start out by acknowledging your extensive background in the Navy and commends you on your position as a communications electrician. Very admirable of you to serve our country and on behalf of my staff and all of Sprint for that matter, I would personally like to thank you for your services.
As far as this matter is concerned, I appreciate your feedback and I apologize if there is some tension that has formed over this issue between you and our technician.
I have read your email and have discussed this issue with my technician and our senior technician within our district. The conclusions that have been drawn through conversations between you and our technician, as well as applications that were present when originally checking in your device, is that the original manufactures software that comes with the device was modified through processes of rooting. XDA is a common feedback forum often consulted between users that modify their devices that will bypass certain restrictions the manufactures software will prohibit specific conduct per request and demand of the contract between Sprint and the manufacturer. Once this softwares' integrity has been compromised, the manufacturers warranty is no longer valid and even when doing a hard reset to restore the original software, the default software may have glitches from time to time.
As of right now, our district has been notified of this issue and of the serial number of this device, and will not be permitted for exchange at any of our service centers. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause from your current expectations of our service centers. I can assure you though, I have looked into this matter with great detail and the proper procedure has been followed under our policies and procedures regarding your transaction.
Moving on, I would like to touch basis on the importance we put in maintaining a high standard of customer service at our Cypress location and discuss your concern of the attitudes of my employees. It has been brought to my attention that profanity on your behalf, was used toward them in a derogatory intention that I do not tolerate. I understand the frustration and disagreement that you have regarding our procedures but civility is necessary to communicate effectively. I will not speak for Mr. Hessey while adressing this matter, but encourage you to take into consideration how you played a role in this matter. I welcome you to contact me at the store if you have any further questions regarding my response or decision that has been made in regards to this matter at 7148914911.
Store Manager"
That's bull. Try the other service centers anyway if you haven't already. Lots of Sprint techs are assholes, don't let it get to you.
That's why I always say play stupid never mention rooting or anything it always comes back to bite you in the ass.... on a side note You should read them their waranty service on rooted phones.. they clearly state if it is considered hardware and purely nonsoftware they cannot deny you service
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Wow. What a-holes
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there is a thread here that actually has the statement that you could print out. i can't seem to find it right now that biggoron is talking about.
edit: found the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227396
Unless they found it rooted they don't legally have ****. He's trying to attribute having the xda forum app as proof you rooted? All you have to do is say you used it for info on bugs and quick tips, info on devices, or whatever the ****. That guys a friggin prick in how he's trying to "prove" this and I say every single person on this thread calls that number harrassingly one by one asking for this **** and tell him he's a lying douchebag.
Rofl deviating from the stock software forever ruins the device? Are they ****ing retarded or just full of ****. I'm thinking the latter.
I'm calling.
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Dude pm me your name bro. I'm gonna call on your behalf and say I'm a member of xda and that the only reason you were on there was to ask questions on how to use your device.
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Unless they found it rooted they don't legally have ****. He's trying to attribute having the xda forum app as proof you rooted? All you have to do is say you used it for info on bugs and quick tips, info on devices, or whatever the ****. That guys a friggin prick in how he's trying to "prove" this and I say every single person on this thread calls that number harrassingly one by one asking for this **** and tell him he's a lying douchebag.
Rofl deviating from the stock software forever ruins the device? Are they ****ing retarded or just full of ****. I'm thinking the latter.
I'm calling.
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I agree guys an ass and just having an xda doesn't prove you're rooted... give em hell zeinzu!
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you know i always wondered that because i have the paid xda app so even when they reflash it shows up on the market. my screen is going out. it is weird it looks like back in the day with the old cable boxes and you could kinda get hbo but the screen has alot of lines. i have flashed it back to stock about 4 times but every time i go to bring it in the screen doesn't do it so i don't want them to be like there is nothing wrong with this. it only does it on a white screen thou. but the last time it happen my screen had a yellowish tint to it. but it went away. i want it to get worse enough proof to get it replace.
All you have to say is "thank you for replying, I will have a talk with my lawyer about this and Ill get back to you"
Scare tactics ftw.
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FPJ said:
All you have to say is "thank you for replying, I will have a talk with my lawyer about this and Ill get back to you"
Scare tactics ftw.
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This. :0
Epic.
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theMallacht said:
See my other thread "USB connected" error over and over to get the jist of what's been going on, but basically I've been having a hell of a time getting Sprint to replace my Epic for what is obviously a hardware issue.
My phone was completely EC05 stock when I brought it in, the tech has flashed it back to EC05 twice now with what he calls their "Slate" program, I had a little disagreement w him, so I emailed the manager. This is how he responded, he essentially banned my serial number from replacement at all service centers in the region. Read this ****, it's ridiculous. I seriously felt like everyone at that store are buddy-buddy and that they just make fun of customers behind their back, they ALL had bad attitudes.
"Tyler,
I want to start out by acknowledging your extensive background in the Navy and commends you on your position as a communications electrician. Very admirable of you to serve our country and on behalf of my staff and all of Sprint for that matter, I would personally like to thank you for your services.
As far as this matter is concerned, I appreciate your feedback and I apologize if there is some tension that has formed over this issue between you and our technician.
I have read your email and have discussed this issue with my technician and our senior technician within our district. The conclusions that have been drawn through conversations between you and our technician, as well as applications that were present when originally checking in your device, is that the original manufactures software that comes with the device was modified through processes of rooting. XDA is a common feedback forum often consulted between users that modify their devices that will bypass certain restrictions the manufactures software will prohibit specific conduct per request and demand of the contract between Sprint and the manufacturer. Once this softwares' integrity has been compromised, the manufacturers warranty is no longer valid and even when doing a hard reset to restore the original software, the default software may have glitches from time to time.
As of right now, our district has been notified of this issue and of the serial number of this device, and will not be permitted for exchange at any of our service centers. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause from your current expectations of our service centers. I can assure you though, I have looked into this matter with great detail and the proper procedure has been followed under our policies and procedures regarding your transaction.
Moving on, I would like to touch basis on the importance we put in maintaining a high standard of customer service at our Cypress location and discuss your concern of the attitudes of my employees. It has been brought to my attention that profanity on your behalf, was used toward them in a derogatory intention that I do not tolerate. I understand the frustration and disagreement that you have regarding our procedures but civility is necessary to communicate effectively. I will not speak for Mr. Hessey while adressing this matter, but encourage you to take into consideration how you played a role in this matter. I welcome you to contact me at the store if you have any further questions regarding my response or decision that has been made in regards to this matter at 7148914911.
Cory Swan
Store Manager
Cypress"
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Ok buddy, if u want some very strong fire power on ur end, here is what u can do. Send a copy of that to the fcc, better business bereau consumers union and a lawyer. It is against the law to black list "any esn" unless phone is reported lost, stolen or cloned. Ur phone was software modified. That's it.
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One more thing. Attached with letter a copy of sprints policy.
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One more thing again, attach a picture of you in uniform lol. How dare they blacklist a vet....shame on them. Sueeeee! Lol
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Fp, u have jokes. Lol
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Not to mention throw in there was no actual modification on your device, and that they "speculated" based on a completely legitimate forum application. Also still pm me your name I'm egging to go off on this guy. I use to work for Sprint not even that long ago for a few years and would love to school him on the legalities and policies that keep him from ever having the authority to do this.
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as ****ty as it is to say and im gonna hate myself for doing this but they can do that he cant do it because of suspected rooting but the fact where he says that you used profanity against their employee is why he can do it its in the ToS:
Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false or inaccurate information
sorry man this really sucks i still say call and give that jackoff hell just because its what i would do but with that seems like he really can keep you from servicing your phone since that is one of your "contracted services"
FPJ said:
One more thing again, attach a picture of you in uniform lol. How dare they blacklist a vet....shame on them. Sueeeee! Lol
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The only reason I even mentioned that I'm a vet is to sort of level w the tech guy that I'm pretty tech savvy myself, and that I'm a trained Communications Electrician from my time in the Navy. He was treating me like I'm an idiot, mostly because I mentioned xda it seemed like, and I merely wanted him to stop acting so condescending.
tazfanatic said:
there is a thread here that actually has the statement that you could print out. i can't seem to find it right now that biggoron is talking about.
edit: found the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227396
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Ok well, the manager claims that policy isn't even valid, and he found this entire forum post, printed it out, and claimed I have committed fraud by posting his e-mail on here.
The only option he gave me is to pay for insurance for the phone and make a claim w Asurion, so I'll still have to pay $100 for a new phone.
All in all I still believe this is a hardware issue and I feel that the manager has been short-sighted in automatically attributing it to roms, etc.
All posts have been edited to remove his name though as he does make a good point with that. I actually meant to remove his name when I pasted that, but I must have forgot.
theMallacht said:
Ok well, the manager claims that policy isn't even valid, and he found this entire forum post, printed it out, and claimed I have committed fraud by posting his e-mail on here.
The only option he gave me is to pay for insurance for the phone and make a claim w Asurion, so I'll still have to pay $100 for a new phone.
All in all I still believe this is a hardware issue and I feel that the manager has been short-sighted in automatically attributing it to roms, etc.
All posts have been edited to remove his name though as he does make a good point with that. I actually meant to remove his name when I pasted that, but I must have forgot.
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He went as far as printing out the thread? What a douche. And fraud for posting your email on here? Lulz...
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Hi developers and friends,
Seeing as our wonderful E4GT developers were on the bleeding edge of Carrier IQ and generally seem to be really knowledgeable about our phone compared to a lot of other communities on XDA (no diss intended), I figured this would be a good place to ask. You may or may not have seen this article already:
Police Are Using Phone Tracking as a Routine Tool
(nytimes.com/2012/04/01/us/police-tracking-of-cellphones-raises-privacy-fears.html - can't hyperlink it due to post count, sorry)
I know there's no way to prevent tower-based geolocation, but the article (and the associated ACLU documents) also mentioned that some police departments have successfully subpoenaed GPS lat/long information from carriers. From what you guys know, does Android still send any sort of fine location data back to Sprint/Google now that Carrier IQ is gone? (Don't worry about WiFi location inference stuff)
Also, general question to Sprint techs willing to fathom a guess: Does Sprint store enough data to be able to triangulate (trilaterate?) location postmortem past general tower radius? My hunch is to say that call quality data would only include the tower(s) primarily responsible for a call or roamed to, but I'm not nearly savvy enough in regards to cell networks to know if that's anywhere near accurate. (I've been lead to believe that tracking in general is slightly more theoretically complex on CDMA-based networks than UMTS/GSM - not sure if that's right either)
Don't worry, I'm not a serial killer or anything - but the question perked my interest.
(Figured I would ask here since it doesn't seem to fit well into the typical Q&A fare and since this is also discussion-worthy too; feel free to move if you disagree, mods)
If I really wanted to be "off the grid" either use a prepaid phone where personal info isn't linked to you or use land lines.
I dont think google or sprint would just hand over gps locations with out some kind of warrent, but then again if you have warrent that the police or FBI are going to those lengths to find you, your already in deep doodoo.
phatmanxxl said:
If I really wanted to be "off the grid" either use a prepaid phone where personal info isn't linked to you or use land lines.
I dont think google or sprint would just hand over gps locations with out some kind of warrent, but then again if you have warrent that the police or FBI are going to those lengths to find you, your already in deep doodoo.
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Unfortunately it depends on your state laws, some places have already gotten some of the carriers to hand over location info without a warrant. They had even gone so far as to plant their own GPS trackers on vehicles surreptitiously without a warrant. It has caused a pretty big stink among privacy advocates. The way this country is going with spying on its own citizens I'm tempted to buy an emf reader to sweep my house and car for bugs :-S
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Am i the only one that doesn't care if the government or sprint know about how much porn i look at or how much weed i smoke or what other random bull**** they might figure out from my phone? Lol Maybe I'm just blessed that none of my crimes are worth the effort it would take to bust me for them
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Am i the only one that doesn't care if the government or sprint know about how much porn i look at or how much weed i smoke or what other random bull**** they might figure out from my phone? Lol Maybe I'm just blessed that none of my crimes are worth the effort it would take to bust me for them
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Its not that I care they know what I do, its more the principal of them trying to take my GD constitutional rights away, if I wanted to be monitored 24/7 I'd move to effing China or N.Korea
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