[Q] Why do ROMs behave differently for people? - Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

In general, why do ROMs behave differently for different users? Hardware differences?
I want to better understand why some of the later ROMs are buggy on my phone and no other users report these issues, or why some of the fixes don't work for me.
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I'm in your same boat... the only major problem I have is the xda app force closing on me... that's about it.
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Because like I have always said, EVERY phone is different. There are imperfections in the die cutting process of the chips, allowing some phones to overclock at 1400 Mhz and others can't go beyond 1100. The same goes for sd cards and memory on the phone. Add into that interaction with thousands of different apps and versions. Now throw in the fact that Clockworkmod is not for our phone but was ported allows for more bugs in the mix. There are other factors like data corruption. The best shot at getting 2 phones to have similiar experiences is for each to be taken back to the same stock tar, root the same way, don't restore any data, flash the ROM, then set everything back up again and redownload apps fresh from the market. Once you vary from that "start fresh" format it is similiar to painting over a stained wall. Sometimes it covers, sometimes the stains bleed through.

Thanks, you confirmed my original assumptions.

Also depends on previous setup before rom flash usually different between users things like ext. 4 or rfs some roms are different so you should always read everything on previous rom and new rom before flash.
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I'm personally experiencing the very nasty end of this issue, as for some reason, the "voodoo sound hack" on EI22 ROMs breaks headphones.

xwatchmanx said:
I'm personally experiencing the very nasty end of this issue, as for some reason, the "voodoo sound hack" on EI22 ROMs breaks headphones.
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Download the voodoo control app from the market and make sure the volume is turned up with it.

Also the phones seem to also use different hardware, like different revisions and actually different chipsets. Just read a thread right off the bat and if you have issues then wait a day or two and read the new posts and see what the issues are and see if those things will bother you before you try and make back ups all the time.

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Can the Incredible run V6 Supercharger?

This:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
If so, is there a tutorial that I can follow?
If you read the description, it says "It works on ALL Android devices - Custom Roms or Stock Roms, Phones or Tablets, it doesn't matter!"
Has anyone managed to implement it yet?
There are instructions in that post, you can run it on any ROM. Have you read the post, it explains exactly what to do.
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I tried to do it, but I kept getting errors...
Magnum20 said:
I tried to do it, but I kept getting errors...
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You shouldn't get errors unless you're not rooted or possibly running a stock kernel. Not everything in it will apply to your device. If you're getting errors that it couldn't echo a value or something, that's not that big a deal because it might not apply to your kernel. I definitely suggest addressing the OP. He's VERY attentive to his work and those who use it. As a matter of fact, he found me when I made some comments about it in a previous post in the Incredible forum. He's a very patient and approachable guy and quite respectable.
I've tried it. Haven't really noticed that much of a difference with the multitasking settings on cm7. I do notice however, that with that setting apps stay in memory longer
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I've tried it. Haven't really noticed that much of a difference with the multitasking settings on cm7. I do notice however, that with that setting apps stay in memory longer
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-
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Just installed it over Jermaine's Stock Plus 2.5. Set it up as "balanced" prior to reboot. No issues with reboot; only been running it a short while. Won't be able to tell if it makes any difference for a bit (and not sure how long I'll stay on this ROM with two other ROMs I've been looking at possibly coming out shortly.)

Why Root

I have one question....
Why root a phone? I had my phone rooted and honestly it was a complete waste of time. NONE of the Roms I downloaded ever worked properly, the apps never worked, and it was nothing but trouble for me. My phone always "force close" my apps too. No offense to the developers I just didn't see a benefit.
Am I wrong?
With root you can
1. Run custom ROMs to make your phone your own
2. Remove bloat
3. Tether for free .99
4. Install custom kernels & voltages to increase your batter life or speed up your phone
That's just a few I can think of off the top. Don't think that magic will happen just because you root your phone...your phone can be rooted and still behave exactly how it did prior to root.
Root makes it possible to customize your phone to your liking. You can change the look and feel of just about everything. Root is also great for making battery life better or making your phone snappier by installing custom kernels and root only aps. I agree with you that a lot of roms are buggy and can be a pain, but some people like the trouble shooting aspect of figuring something out and making it work. I my self usually stick to the stock or mostly stock roms, and then remove, change, add features that i want. Without root your stuck with what htc and verizon gives you. Its all about freedom and choice and the ability to make your phone look how you want, and do the things you want it to do.
I am relatively new to rooting (this past summer), but what it gave me was a vastly superior phone to what I used to use. I have flashed about 5 ROMS - two Cyanogen Mod and three Sense based ROMS - out of the 5, I only had big problems with one. The other 4 made my phone faster, smoother, and gave me access to some apps (Titanium Backup, Font Changer) that have allowed me to customize my phone to my liking. It's made me change when I was hoping to get a new phone (now I don't care that much - yet) and I literally feel like I've had new phones every time I flash another ROM.
Doing it successfully also required that I read A LOT about phones, hardware, software, etc. - geeky stuff - that I didn't know. (I'm still learning a lot.)
So, maybe you're just not that into your phone and the geeky stuff?
epescina said:
I had my phone rooted and honestly it was a complete waste of time. NONE of the Roms I downloaded ever worked properly, the apps never worked, and it was nothing but trouble for me. My phone always "force close" my apps too.
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It sounds like your phone is afflicted with the common PEBKAC bug.
Given that, I think you are making the right decision by not rooting in the future.
For those genuinely wondering about the benefits of root, you can check the various stickies throughout this forum or the hundreds of articles that have been written about it. Alternatively, you could do a market search for "root only" to see all the unique apps. Or you could read about what custom roms offer. Or custom kernels. Or a host of other things.
If you don't know why you want to root, you probably shouldn't be rooting.
byrong said:
It sounds like your phone is afflicted with the common PEBKAC bug.
Given that, I think you are making the right decision by not rooting in the future.
For those genuinely wondering about the benefits of root, you can check the various stickies throughout this forum or the hundreds of articles that have been written about it. Alternatively, you could do a market search for "root only" to see all the unique apps. Or you could read about what custom roms offer. Or custom kernels. Or a host of other things.
If you don't know why you want to root, you probably shouldn't be rooting.
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PEBKAC bug? I'm assuming thats stands for something smart lol.
Edit: Haha nevermind i figured it out.
ummm, cuz its awesome...i feel like i escaped from alcatraz
Thanks for all of the great post guys! They were all very informative!
I guess it's true, I must educate myself more about rooting. I always assumed my phone would work better, allow me to use custom roms (that actually worked), and apps that were root only.
I jailbroke my ipod and other devices and they were easy to do and use and not to mention stable. I guess I was expecting the same outcome here.
Why wouldn't you root your phone? All it does is give you full access to your own device. If you don't follow directions and/or load a buggy rom it has nothing to do with rooting.
If you're having that kind of trouble with ROMs, you're doing something wrong (unless you're using AOSP, then you're ALWAYS going to have issues.) I simply won't use a ROM that isn't stable. I probably won't stick with one long even if it is stable and patched together like some Frankenstein chocked full of scripts and patches to make it work. Reliability is the top priority for me. There used to be devs on this device that valued that more than they seem to now, with a few exceptions. Most of them, from using them, are buggy, unstable projects that probably shouldn't have ever been released as anything but experimental betas. Some of them, like WildStang's, are VERY reliable. Just gotta do your research. This is a totally different world than Apple, and a LOT more powerful.
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If you're having that kind of trouble with ROMs, you're doing something wrong (unless you're using AOSP, then you're ALWAYS going to have issues.) I simply won't use a ROM that isn't stable. I probably won't stick with one long even if it is stable and patched together like some Frankenstein chocked full of scripts and patches to make it work. Reliability is the top priority for me. There used to be devs on this device that valued that more than they seem to now, with a few exceptions. Most of them, from using them, are buggy, unstable projects that probably shouldn't have ever been released as anything but experimental betas. Some of them, like WildStang's, are VERY reliable. Just gotta do your research. This is a totally different world than Apple, and a LOT more powerful.
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I have to say that I have had zero issues with cm7 and most aosp ROMs out for this phone. sounds like you're doing something wrong.
cm7 gives you so many opportunities for customization and runs so flawlessly I will not be running sense again. Galaxy nexus here I come barring some glaring issue with it, i'm done with HTC for awhile.
Sounds to me like the OP hasn't properly wiped all data before flashing his roms.
br125 said:
I have to say that I have had zero issues with cm7 and most aosp ROMs out for this phone. sounds like you're doing something wrong.
cm7 gives you so many opportunities for customization and runs so flawlessly I will not be running sense again. Galaxy nexus here I come barring some glaring issue with it, i'm done with HTC for awhile.
Sounds to me like the OP hasn't properly wiped all data before flashing his roms.
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I've flashed at about a dozen different versions of CM on that phone. Of those 3 or so didn't even boot. Of the ones that did, they had some kind of issue that couldn't be remedied like quirky screen brightness, reboots and FC's right off the bat. Of the couple of versions that made it past the first day, only one lasted more than a couple weeks before getting REALLY weird. A friend with an identical phone had a very similar experience. What's more, CM hasn't proven to be any more reliable on the EVOs I've flashed it on. In fact, about half the versions don't even boot. I've been doing this long enough to know I'm not doing it wrong. CM just sucks if reliability is a required trait.
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I've flashed at about a dozen different versions of CM on that phone. Of those 3 or so didn't even boot. Of the ones that did, they had some kind of issue that couldn't be remedied like quirky screen brightness, reboots and FC's right off the bat. Of the couple of versions that made it past the first day, only one lasted more than a couple weeks before getting REALLY weird. A friend with an identical phone had a very similar experience. What's more, CM hasn't proven to be any more reliable on the EVOs I've flashed it on. In fact, about half the versions don't even boot. I've been doing this long enough to know I'm not doing it wrong. CM just sucks if reliability is a required trait.
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that is the furthest from the truth of anything I've ever read. Go to the cm thread and write that. I've been on cm for a looong time without any FC's, reboots, or anything quirky. Stop spewing false opinions as fact, you're not helping anything.
Also, how could such an unreliable, buggy ROM be the most popular over a plethora of devices? Think about it.
Sounds like that nasty PEBKAC bug. I'm on CM 7.1 and it's been heaven. Almost everything works BETTER than stock.
For example, my car (Cruze 2011) can't utilize my phones contacts over Bluetooth on my stock sense rom. If I allow the car access to my phonebook, my Bluetooth will drop in and out and not work properly. So I have to tap "don't allow" and even though I checkmark the "remember my decision" box, it comes up every time I get in my car unless I grant it access. Annoying? Lets just say I'm thankful for the cyanogen team. Works absolutely flawless.
I adore the new lockscreen in 7.1. It's like a reverse sense 3.0 style where instead of dragging the apps to the ring, you drag the ring to the app. I still overall prefer the sense 3.0 lockscreen, but to get that I have to sacrifice a lot of stability. There are lists upon lists of features that make CM7 the rom to be on.
The one thing I will concede about CM7 is the auto brightness is a bit wonky. There are auto brightness tweaks you can mess with but something like that should work out of the box, so to speak. Another could-be annoyance is the heavy emphasis on customization, since CM comes pretty bare. CM9, however, will be feature rich per ICS.
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For one thing, you can't even take a screen shot without rooting. If you want a stable phone that is mostly stock, you can root, install ShootMe, and call it a day. Of course, it looks like they're finally fixing that fatal flaw with ICS (which this phone will never see from HTC).
loonatik78 said:
If you're having that kind of trouble with ROMs, you're doing something wrong (unless you're using AOSP, then you're ALWAYS going to have issues.) I simply won't use a ROM that isn't stable. I probably won't stick with one long even if it is stable and patched together like some Frankenstein chocked full of scripts and patches to make it work. Reliability is the top priority for me. There used to be devs on this device that valued that more than they seem to now, with a few exceptions. Most of them, from using them, are buggy, unstable projects that probably shouldn't have ever been released as anything but experimental betas. Some of them, like WildStang's, are VERY reliable. Just gotta do your research. This is a totally different world than Apple, and a LOT more powerful.
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Thanks, you seem to be the first to admit that most ROMS are unstable and buggy which is what really turned me away from most roms! I researched over and over and couldn't find stable roms, they all claim they are stable but that was never the case.
br125 said:
I have to say that I have had zero issues with cm7 and most aosp ROMs out for this phone. sounds like you're doing something wrong.
cm7 gives you so many opportunities for customization and runs so flawlessly I will not be running sense again. Galaxy nexus here I come barring some glaring issue with it, i'm done with HTC for awhile.
Sounds to me like the OP hasn't properly wiped all data before flashing his roms.
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So what is the proper way to wipe all data before flashing? I thought all you had to do was select the two flash boxes and run it!
epescina said:
So what is the proper way to wipe all data before flashing? I thought all you had to do was select the two flash boxes and run it!
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That's your problem, you're using ROM Manager to flash/install ROMs. You need to boot your phone into ClockworkMod Recovery and install it from there. Once in CWM Recovery, do:
1. Go into Recovery
2. Clear data: Wipe user data/factory reset
Mounts and Storage - format /system, format /boot, format /data, format /cache
Advanced - Wipe Dalvik, Wipe Battery Stats
3. Select Install zip file from SD Card, browse to the ROM zip file, select it with touch pad to install
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So what is the proper way to wipe all data before flashing? I thought all you had to do was select the two flash boxes and run it!
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Don't use Rom manager. Boot into recovery and factory reset/wipe all user data, then flash the Rom. It also doesn't hurt to wipe dalvik cache and format the system if you are still having issues.
If you post in the thread of the Rom you're trying to flash, the users may have some more 'rom specific' instructions.
Sorry for getting off topic before, but I can't stand someone spreading false information about a very good Rom that may cause someone like you to not try it, when in all reality you may enjoy it, as very many droid incredible users do.
Edit: Try what he said above me too. That is almost an overkill amount of wiping, but it can almost guarantee that you won't have issues with the flash.
br125 said:
Don't use Rom manager. Boot into recovery and factory reset/wipe all user data, then flash the Rom. It also doesn't hurt to wipe dalvik cache and format the system if you are still having issues.
If you post in the thread of the Rom you're trying to flash, the users may have some more 'rom specific' instructions.
Sorry for getting off topic before, but I can't stand someone spreading false information about a very good Rom that may cause someone like you to not try it, when in all reality you may enjoy it, as very many droid incredible users do.
Edit: Try what he said above me too. That is almost an overkill amount of wiping, but it can almost guarantee that you won't have issues with the flash.
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This is true, probably overkill, but doesn't take long at all to do, and haven't had any issues yet installing any ROM. Battery Stats is an optional wipe.

Is it just me?

So my wife has had her iPhone 4s for about 6 months now, and it is a wonderful phone (for her) and it has had very few problems. Notice, I didn't say no problems, just a lot fewer than I have experienced with my epic. I've had the random reboots, fc errors ocasionally, and for a while (on cm9 beta 1 or 2) navigation would cash requiring a battery pull.
Problems with the iphone are glaring in some respects (files I would like to copy off the phone but can't because the file system is locked down, or having to use itunes because media monkey isn't ios5 compatible) and more subtle in others (like an app update that went awry somehow, requiring a phone shut down, uninstall, reinstall.)
So I wonder, why do we accept the somewhat buggy environment of Android over using an iphone that is as stable as it gets?
I think for me, it's just that I would rather have a bug crop up ocassionally while retaining control over my phone. Is it just me? What do you think?
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amateurhack said:
So my wife has had her iPhone 4s for about 6 months now, and it is a wonderful phone (for her) and it has had very few problems. Notice, I didn't say no problems, just a lot fewer than I have experienced with my epic. I've had the random reboots, fc errors ocasionally, and for a while (on cm9 beta 1 or 2) navigation would cash requiring a battery pull.
Problems with the iphone are glaring in some respects (files I would like to copy off the phone but can't because the file system is locked down, or having to use itunes because media monkey isn't ios5 compatible) and more subtle in others (like an app update that went awry somehow, requiring a phone shut down, uninstall, reinstall.)
So I wonder, why do we accept the somewhat buggy environment of Android over using an iphone that is as stable as it gets?
I think for me, it's just that I would rather have a bug crop up ocassionally while retaining control over my phone. Is it just me? What do you think?
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Because we build off of it and continue to build the whole theory behind Open Source (OSS). Much more customizable options, several designs of phones instead of one ugly ass brick that still is 3.7".
The idea that it brings innovation to a new level, there are so many reasons why and it continue on and on. if you don't like bugs go Stock Keep it at that.
Beta 3 has fixed the GPS issue I think from looking at their commits I think they fixed that stuff. But that's the beauty of android is you are able to fix issues your self if you have experience. The iPhone your forced to wait for fixes of things you find annoying. But if you want to be stable and clean of bugs. Go back to stock you won't have as many issues. Things are always prone for error. Nothing is flawless. The reason iOS is so "stable" is it is made for one phone. Not millions of others.
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Beta 3 has fixed the GPS issue I think from looking at their commits I think they fixed that stuff. But that's the beauty of android is you are able to fix issues your self if you have experience. The iPhone your forced to wait for fixes of things you find annoying. But if you want to be stable and clean of bugs. Go back to stock you won't have as many issues. Things are always prone for error. Nothing is flawless. The reason iOS is so "stable" is it is made for one phone. Not millions of others.
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Yes, somewhere in there the gps issues have been resolved. I have had no problems on beta 3.
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Because we like to push the bleeding edge of tech
After all, if I wanted stability and to have "everything just work", I would just load up a fully polished 2.3 ROM and everything would "just work". Before I moved off of Legendary, I had ZERO issues, and performance that outdid stock by a long shot. I couldn't get things to fail, even with trying.
But I choose to run CM9, an option I would never have it this was like the iPhone, which brings my Epic to the leading edge of Android, thanks to the open source setup of Android
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So my wife has had her iPhone 4s for about 6 months now, and it is a wonderful phone (for her) and it has had very few problems. Notice, I didn't say no problems, just a lot fewer than I have experienced with my epic. I've had the random reboots, fc errors ocasionally, and for a while (on cm9 beta 1 or 2) navigation would cash requiring a battery pull.
Problems with the iphone are glaring in some respects (files I would like to copy off the phone but can't because the file system is locked down, or having to use itunes because media monkey isn't ios5 compatible) and more subtle in others (like an app update that went awry somehow, requiring a phone shut down, uninstall, reinstall.)
So I wonder, why do we accept the somewhat buggy environment of Android over using an iphone that is as stable as it gets?
I think for me, it's just that I would rather have a bug crop up ocassionally while retaining control over my phone. Is it just me? What do you think?
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Don't flash custom roms and stay with stock
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I hate to say it but flashing beta, alpha and custom roms is not for you if you want a "stable" rom, to be honest why not stay with stock? My opinion is i flash custom and BETTER rom than stock because they are built to fix problems in previous versions of android. iOS to me have always gave me problems. So ill stick with Android Open Source Project!
I think I was getting just as many, if not more, bugs with the stock roms as I am with cm9. I'm really happy with cm9.
I guess my question is being misinterpreted. I would prefer a little buggy-ness if it means I get to control my phone. The occasional hiccup is not a big deal to me if I can customize the way I interact with the phone. I like being able to access the entire file system and make changes as I see fit. I like having a choice for my launcher, and my on screen keyboard.
To me, those things are more important than rock-solid stability.
Apparently, most of you agree.
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I think I was getting just as many, if not more, bugs with the stock roms as I am with cm9. I'm really happy with cm9.
I guess my question is being misinterpreted. I would prefer a little buggy-ness if it means I get to control my phone. The occasional hiccup is not a big deal to me if I can customize the way I interact with the phone. I like being able to access the entire file system and make changes as I see fit. I like having a choice for my launcher, and my on screen keyboard.
To me, those things are more important than rock-solid stability.
Apparently, most of you agree.
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I couldn't thank the devs enough of how much time and effort that is being put into this phone, and to me 4.0 is MUCH better than 2.X.XX android. And the support is fantastic. Of course we all get defensive, our EPICS are well... just EPIC

[Q] Are the relatively newer ROMS too heavy for Desire Z ?

Hi guys,
I have question regarding my HTC Desire Z .. Ever since I rooted the phone about 1.5 years ago, and have been trying out the newer ROMs, I've slowly realized that my phone is getting slower, slower, and slower .. I'm currently using a Jellybean ROM, and its *extremely* slow ! I mean, at times I receive a call, and the ringer rings about 5-6 times, and during all this time, the phone doesn't have the juice to switch to the phone app, so that I can 'accept' the call ! Ultimately the call disconnects itself!
A friend recently suggested to me that maybe the newer ROMs are two powerful for my phone, and that I need to move to an older Android version ROM, which my Desire Z CAN handle, without this much lag !
Also, I hardly have any apps installed on my phone at all, in an attempt to keep the load low .. I also use 'Advance Task Killer' regularly to kill background apps, but it doesn't really improve anything ..
What can I do to improve the speed of my phone !? I really pisses me off to see a 10-15 second lag when I call someone !
Get rid of the task killer first of all...
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i own desire z. installed flinnys 128 (jb) and everything works EXTREMELY smooth! no lag!!!!
just try it!
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Get rid of the task killer first of all...
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Task Killer is not the issue, as I only installed it the other day .. The condition was same before as well ..
d_gkal said:
i own desire z. installed flinnys 128 (jb) and everything works EXTREMELY smooth! no lag!!!!
just try it!
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I dont think it will make any difference .. I've tried many different ROMs, and its always the same condition with all ... Sometimes my phone become *so* unresponsive that I just feel like smashing it on the ground ! (When I really get upset!)
Also, on another note, when I open Advanced Task Killer, it shows me the amount of free RAM on the top .. Most of the times this value is between 60 MB ~ 100 MB, and sometimes between 100 MB ~ 140 MB .. If never seen this value go above 135 MB or so ... And Desire Z is supposed to have 512 MB of RAM
just full wipe and reflash the rom
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just full wipe and reflash the rom
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If I do that, it will initially be fast .. Even if I install all my apps on the first day, it will still be okay in terms of speed ... But give it a week, it eventually becomes slow .. very slow! .. And the odd thing is, during this week, I don't necessary install/uninstall anything .. the phone just ****s itself in somehow ... And then from then on, it remains slow, no matter what ...
I open Google Maps, takes like 15 seconds to open .. takes another 60 seconds to go to Google Navigation, and then further lags after that ..
Basically there's a lag in *everything* !
Is there a way I can see what is slowing down the phone ?!
Also, is it true or not whether an older phone, such as Desire Z, can or cannot handle a relatively newer Android version ROM ? Maybe this is why the latest Android versions are NOT officially available for phones many times, because the manufacturer knows the device cannot handle that newer Android version ?
If your rom supports ext partitions, make sure all of yours are formatted that way. Chances are you have sopme bad apps, a logcat may hedlp determin abused wake locks or memory leaks. Also you can try downloading battery batt stats or watchdog for more infor
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ahmadka said:
Hi guys,
I have question regarding my HTC Desire Z .. Ever since I rooted the phone about 1.5 years ago, and have been trying out the newer ROMs, I've slowly realized that my phone is getting slower, slower, and slower .. I'm currently using a Jellybean ROM, and its *extremely* slow ! I mean, at times I receive a call, and the ringer rings about 5-6 times, and during all this time, the phone doesn't have the juice to switch to the phone app, so that I can 'accept' the call ! Ultimately the call disconnects itself!
A friend recently suggested to me that maybe the newer ROMs are two powerful for my phone, and that I need to move to an older Android version ROM, which my Desire Z CAN handle, without this much lag !
Also, I hardly have any apps installed on my phone at all, in an attempt to keep the load low .. I also use 'Advance Task Killer' regularly to kill background apps, but it doesn't really improve anything ..
What can I do to improve the speed of my phone !? I really pisses me off to see a 10-15 second lag when I call someone !
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i had a play with elitemod ics the other day & it was defiantly slower than the GB version... it was using more or less double the ram which i suspect is the real problem.....
Yes its true the newer versions are more hungry. We touched on it in one of the andromadus threads recently. I believe the issue to be the cpu. The nexus s has the same amount of ram as us and although its not as good on there as the gnex, its still good. Having bumped my lower cpu limit a notch, its much better. I also tried a few upper limits and found that 1200 to be best as it suffers with animation under that.
But then all dz's are different. Stay on your rom and bump up the lower limits a few clicks and let us know what you think.
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I've noticed the slowdowns happening with negligible CPU load and no memory constraints. I suspect a problem with the kernel. At the times it happens, the phone seems to be just doing *nothing*.
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If your rom supports ext partitions, make sure all of yours are formatted that way. Chances are you have sopme bad apps, a logcat may hedlp determin abused wake locks or memory leaks. Also you can try downloading battery batt stats or watchdog for more infor
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Is there any other thing I can try apart from logcat ? I installed Watchdog a few hours ago, but so far it hasn't reported anything out of the way ..
What does have ext partitions do ? How does that speed up the OS ?
Also, I'm probably going to be re-flashing another ROM soon, so please suggest me a ROM ... I'm looking for maximum longterm stability and responsiveness here, so even if a ROM isn't the newest or the most feature-filled, I can still try it out ..
And what is Superwipe (read it in another thread) ?
Normally, when I restore stuff after installing a ROM, I download a fresh copy of the app from the Store, and only restore the app's data using titanium .. is this okay ?
For the sake of starting fresh, flash the ext 4 recovery and flash mimicry as your rom. Read all suggestions in the first few post on mimicry, to flash 4ext I made a thread, you'll find it the first page or so in the general section (dzhboot or something)
Mimicry is one of the best made best performing full featured ics roms for our phones, partitioning everything to 4ext (easily done through recovery) will make it far better. Other bonus tweaks will be added in.
There (in my opinion) are beter performing gingerbread roms, but I do sugest mimicry as it is amazing and the dev has laid out a wealth of knowledge in the first few posts
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For the sake of starting fresh, flash the ext 4 recovery and flash mimicry as your rom. Read all suggestions in the first few post on mimicry, to flash 4ext I made a thread, you'll find it the first page or so in the general section (dzhboot or something)
Mimicry is one of the best made best performing full featured ics roms for our phones, partitioning everything to 4ext (easily done through recovery) will make it far better. Other bonus tweaks will be added in.
There (in my opinion) are beter performing gingerbread roms, but I do sugest mimicry as it is amazing and the dev has laid out a wealth of knowledge in the first few posts
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I'm assuming you're referring to this thread: http://www.forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1714187
Well this is the ROM I'm currently using, which I flashed about 2 months ago, which is giving me all these performance issues ..
I went through the first few pages, but I didn't find any instructions on 4EXT ... The only thing I found was in the OP's FAQ in the start, which said that you should apply ext by downloading 4ext from Play Store, if you get lags ..
Anywhere else I can look ?
Look in general section, somewhere in the first page I posted a thread called dzhboot on g2 or something to that extent, one of the first few posts I eplain how to flash 4ext recovery.
One of the fastest roms I have used is elitemod cm7, maybe try that
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I have been wondering the same as the OP. I have been using andromadus and andromadus mimicry roms for the past few month. I tired cm9 unofficial but it was no different to mimicry in terms of lag. Currently on flinny's jb beta http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2005136. Lag is not terrible but too often I am looking at a white screen waiting for something to happen.
I often experience lags opening apps like phone and browser (any browser). Phone hanging when trying to make a call is particularly annoying because my wife asks "why is your phone so ****?"
I would love to have a really smooth experience like others report but even with a fresh wipe I seem to have trouble. When I try to reduce the process limit i still seem to have too many processes running. What should i look for in logcat in terms of tracking down the problem?
Maybe 4ext will sort it out? I am very loathe to go back to a cm7 rom.
Ext4 worked really well for me to speed up my phone.. I highly recommend it.
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alexnh said:
I have been wondering the same as the OP. I have been using andromadus and andromadus mimicry roms for the past few month. I tired cm9 unofficial but it was no different to mimicry in terms of lag. Currently on flinny's jb beta http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2005136. Lag is not terrible but too often I am looking at a white screen waiting for something to happen.
I often experience lags opening apps like phone and browser (any browser). Phone hanging when trying to make a call is particularly annoying because my wife asks "why is your phone so ****?"
I would love to have a really smooth experience like others report but even with a fresh wipe I seem to have trouble. When I try to reduce the process limit i still seem to have too many processes running. What should i look for in logcat in terms of tracking down the problem?
Maybe 4ext will sort it out? I am very loathe to go back to a cm7 rom.
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It's gotta be a certain app your installing thats hogging all your memory, I been running mimicry ever since blk released it n have had very few slowdowns.
Never had a problem receiving/making calls 'wiping' is not the same as 'superwiping' its different then just the name, I suggest you do some reading up before flashing any more roms.
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It's gotta be a certain app your installing thats hogging all your memory, I been running mimicry ever since blk released it n have had very few slowdowns.
Never had a problem receiving/making calls 'wiping' is not the same as 'superwiping' its different then just the name, I suggest you do some reading up before flashing any more roms.
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i superwipe, and i've been flashing roms since the g1. I am not seeing any particular process hogging resources. this current jb beta is pretty good but still get some lagging at random.
if that were the case I would love to try and find out what it is.
it seems to me that a minority of users report lags in rom threads and are dismissed without ever really getting to the root of the problem.
I would really like to try and get to the bottom of it. I am going to move to ext4 but if there are other troubleshooting steps to take I am all ears.
Ext4 alone will make a huge difference, and most of the rest of the slow downs will be do to apps/running services which can be seen with a logcat what is continually trying to use cpu resources
If only a minority report slowdowns then either that minority has a different idea of how the phone should run/ they use the phone in a completley different way/ or have different settings and apps then most have.
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Help and cautions thread, who has or hasn't lgpnst ?

Just curious if any us would be willing to share their experience with the LGOG ? Have you had to lgpnst or not? What were you doing/installing that caused it (or you think)? What have you done to avoid it ? And how many of us have done the same mods with different results?
I will start with my experience::
Currently running lifeless v11 , installed conversation skins , used th3bill aroma to install some sound tweaks.
What I have done so far lol this is gonna take a min::
Every version of lifeless from the beginning, even 5 that had instability issues , then onto imp int all 3 versions there as well. I have a couple oh no she won't boot situations as well in between ( do to my lack of reading full instructions)
I have not to date knock on wood had to lgpnst back
Processes I use :
When flashing new ROM (not new version) from different devs always always full wipe factory/cache/dalvik and as I found out in some situations the system needs to be flashed.
When flashing updates of ROM version cache/dalvik cache seems to be sufficient.
When flashing mods I never flash more than 2-3 at a time as some mods will cancel others out so better to reboot then flash more if needed/wanted.
When flashing kernel , just be safe and flash kernel only then reboot.
When using aroma be sure to be at or above 50% or plugged in to wall no CPU (CPU will only slow charge) and try not to let it sit for longer than 10-15 sec in between choosing mods/option as it has a tendency to lock up
Now here is where we separate ourselves , I am not a programmer nor do I have a plethora of CPU knowledge, in fact until I soft bricked my Galaxy S2 I never even used PC I was Mac only , I quickly learned that windows was needed. But I do not know exactly how kernels work, what OC/UV potentially can/can't do ( I have a general understanding ) so I do not venture into tweaks I don't know or haven't research a s*** ton before I do.
Well I know this is a lot of repetition but I hope this thread can prove to be useful for a lot of us who want to do things with out causing ourselves to much headache.
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For me for when I have ventured more and have more to share
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Ya I hope to never lgnpst or do a battery pull. But when i had my S2 i would soft brick it often and it didn't bother me cuz odin was so easy to use. LG software seems a lil too complicated, but i am glad we have guides tho. Just in case.
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BigRitz said:
Just curious if any us would be willing to share their experience with the LGOG ? Have you had to lgpnst or not? What were you doing/installing that caused it (or you think)? What have you done to avoid it ? And how many of us have done the same mods with different results?
I will start with my experience::
Currently running lifeless v11 , installed conversation skins , used th3bill aroma to install some sound tweaks.
What I have done so far lol this is gonna take a min::
Every version of lifeless from the beginning, even 5 that had instability issues , then onto imp int all 3 versions there as well. I have a couple oh no she won't boot situations as well in between ( do to my lack of reading full instructions)
I have not to date knock on wood had to lgpnst back
Processes I use :
When flashing new ROM (not new version) from different devs always always full wipe factory/cache/dalvik and as I found out in some situations the system needs to be flashed.
When flashing updates of ROM version cache/dalvik cache seems to be sufficient.
When flashing mods I never flash more than 2-3 at a time as some mods will cancel others out so better to reboot then flash more if needed/wanted.
When flashing kernel , just be safe and flash kernel only then reboot.
When using aroma be sure to be at or above 50% or plugged in to wall no CPU (CPU will only slow charge) and try not to let it sit for longer than 10-15 sec in between choosing mods/option as it has a tendency to lock up
Now here is where we separate ourselves , I am not a programmer nor do I have a plethora of CPU knowledge, in fact until I soft bricked my Galaxy S2 I never even used PC I was Mac only , I quickly learned that windows was needed. But I do not know exactly how kernels work, what OC/UV potentially can/can't do ( I have a general understanding ) so I do not venture into tweaks I don't know or haven't research a s*** ton before I do.
Well I know this is a lot of repetition but I hope this thread can prove to be useful for a lot of us who want to do things with out causing ourselves to much headache.
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Well as for the aspect of oc/uc ov/uv increasing your voltage can damage your processor if you go too high; basically you pump more electricity through the cpu, therefore increasing the frequency at which the crystal which determines your clock speed vibrates at, therefore, increasing your clock speed, this is overclocking/overvoltage; this increase in voltage also results in an increase in heat, which is the core factor as to whether or not your CPU will fry.
Either way you go (overvoltage or undervoltage) you may run into stability issues, usually around higher speeds (which the cpu is not really designed to take, it heats up and things go wrong).
I have not used lgpnst
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Didn't have to lgpnst but earlier set the phone down for a couple min then when I got back it was on white/black screen that our phone gets when its on but not lol
Weird finding tho have just a ton of power down button play turns out I just had to hold vol up nothing not even pwr and it booted in to recovery, like I said weird cause I held the pwr+vol up combo and was a no go back to same screen. Mmmph dunno but everything back up and running
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I had to lgnpst after installing FREEGEE for the first time. It was the paid version from the app store. I don't know what went wrong but I was definitely soft bricked. Haven't had any trouble since.
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I have to all the time since I always jump at the chance to test Adri's ports lol
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I did use lgnpst when I had an issue with the capacitative buttons and power lighting up, but knowing what I know now, a battery pull would have worked (lgnpst didn't, I had sprint order me a new one under the TEP plan)

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