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What is special about Cyanogenmod?

Excuse my ignorance, I am new to android. I get that everyone loves them some CM, but what about it makes it special over any other ROM? Thanks.
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It has a ton of extra options/customizations. That's what I like a out it. The rest is....meh..about the same.
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not really true duce cyanogen is different because its not made by any of the cell manufacturers and has all there bloat and customizations removed. it is the closest you can get to a nexux device on a standard android phone.

The most important thing is its the most popular AOSP ROM. So even if you don't run it (which I don't) you have to respect the fact that you can truly own your hardware without any cell phone provider interference. That and its for the community by the community is impressive.

Ah, so it's like ultimate stock, so it doesnt put tweaked ROMs like calkulin's or phantomhacker's out of business then?
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drksilenc said:
not really true duce cyanogen is different because its not made by any of the cell manufacturers and has all there bloat and customizations removed. it is the closest you can get to a nexux device on a standard android phone.
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I know what CM is, ran it for quite some time myself. It's nice and I respect everything about it.
I put it lightly I guess, which is pretty much the same (more of a true android experience that is clear).
As far as daily driver it offers more at customization, options, themes, and mods. No need to get defensive about CM...... Some like it more and some less. >"Personally"< with the way the et4g runs ATM, and the roms we have, I'm not worried about it. If a stable version with working gps, no f/c, and extreme battery drainage ever gets released for this phone , it's definitely worth using. Or at least try it out.
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JoeBruin32 said:
Ah, so it's like ultimate stock, so it doesnt put tweaked ROMs like calkulin's or phantomhacker's out of business then?
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No it does not. It's a personal preference. Definitely worth trying out for sure.
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Agreed, usually the folks that run CM tend to be on the Diva side of things, at least my experience on the OG Evo, but its nice to know that there are high end alternatives to what the carriers provide (CM/MIUI)

its a rom built on the theory of the old warcraft cheat code: make it so

Well,I like the real miui rom
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Cyanogenmod is based off of stock Android. Some Cyanogenmod features:
- Lockscreen Gestures - launch apps & activities from the lock screen
- Phone Goggles - Lets you filter what goes in and out of your phone
- OpenVPN
- Incognito Mode - private browsing
- DSP Manger - Amazing audio compressor & equalizer for great sound
- Theme Support - CM7 comes stock with 2 or 3 themes, and has the T-Mobile Theme Chooser app integrated. You can download theme packages from XDA & Android Market to re-skin your phone. So, instead of having to flash themes you can install them like APKs.
- Its fast and clean - No bloatware, and has great battery life.
Its also very customizable. For instance, you can set the toggles in your status bar to what ever order you would like, and there are a huge amount to choose from. I personally throw up music back/play/forward toggles, brightness, 2g/3g/4g toggle, and so on. It also features multiple lock screen styles to choose from.
Read more here: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/about

^ those are true but none of those are original, you can do most of that without rooting and all of it on a stock root.
I used cm roms for half a year at least on my Evo, compared to stock I would crash every week, I would have to restart my phone every other day because my keyboard would disappear, you have to deal with rom bloatware which is at least a lot lighter than carrier bloatware, and they never included the simple user fixes I wanted like screen res fix so stuff didn't look blurry and pixely or user profiles on common apps.
now I'm on midnight rom (a more stock rom than cm) on E4gT and it's running infinitely better than cm7.1 was on my evo. it's only crashed on me twice in a month, the customization is basically the same as even roms have a standard of what's included now, and the only thing worse is no built in wifi.
the main appeal of CM roms is getting system upgrades before they're released. they've released ICS roms for phones already, i'm waiting for the e4gt rom. besides that, all the people you see praising CM roms are android fanboys

xvsanx said:
^ those are true but none of those are original, you can do most of that without rooting and all of it on a stock root.
I used cm roms for half a year at least on my Evo, compared to stock I would crash every week, I would have to restart my phone every other day because my keyboard would disappear, you have to deal with rom bloatware which is at least a lot lighter than carrier bloatware, and they never included the simple user fixes I wanted like screen res fix so stuff didn't look blurry and pixely or user profiles on common apps.
now I'm on midnight rom (a more stock rom than cm) on E4gT and it's running infinitely better than cm7.1 was on my evo. it's only crashed on me twice in a month, the customization is basically the same as even roms have a standard of what's included now, and the only thing worse is no built in wifi.
the main appeal of CM roms is getting system upgrades before they're released. they've released ICS roms for phones already, i'm waiting for the e4gt rom. besides that, all the people you see praising CM roms are android fanboys
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Did you never upgrade your version of CM? Especially if you are running a nightly build, there are likely to be bugs. Run a stable and there is a solid chance you won't ever have issues. This applies to the EVO and any other phone that supports CM7. Call me a fanboy if you'd like, there is obviously reasoning behind my love for Cyanogenmod.

Why do you like your ROM?

What rom do you have on your phone?
Why do you like it?
What dont you like about it?
Im curious to see what everyone is running
So far ive ran aokp, paranoid android, and cm10.
Im currently on cm10 and enjoy how professional it is. (explaining the swag button to potent galaxy buyers was kind of tough)
I would have kept paranoid android but the profiles didnt work and i didnt know how to use the dpi changer.
I also started this thread to see who uses android development ROMS instead of the original development ones
Im mainly interested in the non original android development roms users and their oppinions but everyone's answer is appreciated

My favorite was Codename Android, besides one major flaw that myself and very few others experienced: Impossible to send SMS longer than 160 characters, regardless of settings/reflashes/apn/etc. Just because it was the smoothest ROM for me.
I value UI smoothness above all else and have yet to find a ROM that is truly stutter free.
CM10 is ok, but if you go to clock and swipe to the side to go to timer it stutters like a pentium 2 running Crysis: Warhead.
Stock ICS ROM's lag, as well Facebook/third party app scrolling has constant stutter reminiscing of SGS1
JB Leaks (LIF, LIG, LIH) give me blackscreen reboots once in a while, although noticeably smoother than ICS.
I didn't mention battery life as quite frankly I can get a day of usage with every ROM I have tried so far which is nearly all of them.
I think I'm using stock ROM right now as I was fed up and just restored an old nandroid... I guess its ok, everything just works, lots of stutter's though. Doesn't have that premium feel you expect of a device at this price point.
inB4 go buy iphone5

scorpion667 said:
My favorite was Codename Android, besides one major flaw that myself and very few others experienced: Impossible to send SMS longer than 160 characters, regardless of settings/reflashes/apn/etc. Just because it was the smoothest ROM for me.
I value UI smoothness above all else and have yet to find a ROM that is truly stutter free.
CM10 is ok, but if you go to clock and swipe to the side to go to timer it stutters like a pentium 2 running Crysis: Warhead.
Stock ICS ROM's lag, as well Facebook/third party app scrolling has constant stutter reminiscing of SGS1
JB Leaks (LIF, LIG, LIH) give me blackscreen reboots once in a while, although noticeably smoother than ICS.
I didn't mention battery life as quite frankly I can get a day of usage with every ROM I have tried so far which is nearly all of them.
I think I'm using stock ROM right now as I was fed up and just restored an old nandroid... I guess its ok, everything just works, lots of stutter's though. Doesn't have that premium feel you expect of a device at this price point.
inB4 go buy iphone5
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Run AOKP then, it's extremely fast and smooth.

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Run AOKP then, it's extremely fast and smooth.
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I have tried multiple versions of it, still stutters on homescreen sometimes. Same Timer stutter as CM10 and annoying alarm bug (although there is a fix, it's inconvenient). As well the Nova launcher that AOKP uses, and pretty much all third party launchers have a little input lag due to non native integration or no hardware acceleration (not sure which, but the input lag is there).
Anyway I'll take my fluidity rant somewhere else, people seem happy with the current state of the phone.

scorpion667 said:
I have tried multiple versions of it, still stutters on homescreen sometimes. Same Timer stutter as CM10 and annoying alarm bug (although there is a fix, it's inconvenient). As well the Nova launcher that AOKP uses, and pretty much all third party launchers have a little input lag due to non native integration or no hardware acceleration (not sure which, but the input lag is there).
Anyway I'll take my fluidity rant somewhere else, people seem happy with the current state of the phone.
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The childishness of aokp turned me off since i looked at the boot logo but my gripes can all be easily fixed /hidden.
I havent noticed the speed difference but i do see tge lag you speak about but ive dismissed it as a hardware being underpowered to the rom issue and dont notice it as much anymore
So im still looking for answers from non original development users but to everyone else
>> What are the Cm10 vs aokp major Differences?

Here is a quick look at some of the differences
http://techie-buzz.com/android/aokp-vs-cm10.html
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Blazer Rom.
It's minimalistic, faster than stock without overclocking, great battery right out of the box, and EVERYTHING WORKS. take that jelly bean.
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Because its my ROM. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

I'm currently using cm10 and I find very awesome. It's fast and has a lot of great features. I tried AOKP and decided that IMO cm10 was closer to actual 4.1, but AOKP had many more features.
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I had been running AOKP for a week or so, I like its customization better than that of other ROMs.
I just yesterday found a new ROM called Paranoid KANGdroid. It pulls from CM10, AOKP, and Paranoid Android. Has pretty much all the features of all three. So much customization, I love it. Not fully stable, though, its only a few days old.

Aosp vs touch wiz? Which is better?

The main question is which is better touchwiz or aosp? Here everyone can base there opinions on each type of rom. The pro's and con's of each type. Is touchwiz or is aosp better? That is the question
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TW: gaudy but plenty of added features
AOSP: clean and unobtrusive, more substantially moddable
AOKP is my daily, but I flash TW ROMs when they catch my eye.
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AOSP: can't take advantage of eHRPD to transition from 3g to LTE fast and cleanly because eHRPD is proprietary. So it takes ages to switch back and forth and you lose data.
TW: doesn't have this problem and has other features that AOSP doesn't have along with the other features that AOSP does have.
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I've always been a HUGE fan of CM/Aosp. I tried 5 or so tw roms on d2spr and I think they are all AmAzinG and tw has came a loooong way, (new tw is better than older versions..) and we have some VERY skilled devs who build tw roms on d2spr but I favor Aosp. WiFi tether works on Aosp now and does not on tw which I use from the to time to use my Nexus 7 when away from home and no WiFi is available... Some reasons i prefer Aosp: Because its Android open source project not Samsung. I love CM and the theme chooser!! Don't have to boot back into recovery to add mods, we can just install a theme, reboot & in a few secs & completely changes the phone and the themes are endless on the playstore. Theme chooser rocks!!! The roms are small and have no bloat/ extra apps added.. On Aosp you can use inverted gapps package or reg, you choose & they aren't built in like tw. (HUGE deal to me to have a big variety to choose from, so many different apps to choose from..) I love all the different kangs! Development blows up on Aosp and there are constant updates straight from source and I love flashing!! [certified crackflasher in 3 states] :what: Aosp is on Jb 4.1.2 now and tw is on 4.1.1. I'm a long time member of the neXus forever club and owned every Nex phone ever made and I just couldn't hold off till next Nex dropped so I purchased the d2spr, not disappointed, really do love this phone and all the roms are great, Tw and Aosp... I like the entire open source community and I think its great that ppl learn and work together and a share their work and ideas and make the whole Android experience better than it already is!! I support open source and always will. Been very broke lately but have donated several times 10$ here and there to devs. (Coming soon, had some unexpected events come up) Guess that's about it, my opinion anyway.
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flashback7 said:
I've always been a HUGE fan of CM/Aosp. I tried 5 or so tw roms on d2spr and I think they are all AmAzinG and tw has came a loooong way, (new tw is better than older versions..) and we have some VERY skilled devs who build tw roms on d2spr but I favor Aosp. WiFi tether works on Aosp now and does not on tw which I use from the to time to use my Nexus 7 when away from home and no WiFi is available... Some reasons i prefer Aosp: Because its Android open source project not Samsung. I love CM and the theme chooser!! Don't have to boot back into recovery to add mods, we can just install a theme, reboot & in a few secs & completely changes the phone and the themes are endless on the playstore. Theme chooser rocks!!! The roms are small and have no bloat/ extra apps added.. On Aosp you can use inverted gapps package or reg, you choose & they aren't built in like tw. (HUGE deal to me to have a big variety to choose from, so many different apps to choose from..) I love all the different kangs! Development blows up on Aosp and there are constant updates straight from source and I love flashing!! [certified crackflasher in 3 states] :what: Aosp is on Jb 4.1.2 now and tw is on 4.1.1. I'm a long time member of the neXus forever club and owned every Nex phone ever made and I just couldn't hold off till next Nex dropped so I purchased the d2spr, not disappointed, really do love this phone and all the roms are great, Tw and Aosp... I like the entire open source community and I think its great that ppl learn and work together and a share their work and ideas and make the whole Android experience better than it already is!! I support open source and always will. Been very broke lately but have donated several times 10$ here and there to devs. (Coming soon, had some unexpected events come up) Guess that's about it, my opinion anyway.
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Wow that was very good bro see I was kinda tossed on which way I should go aosp or tw on running jelly bomb right now but I can't run ktoon kernel on it it just drains my battery fast I mean I take my phone off charger at 730 am and by 12 I'm down to 30% tryed everything in the book to fix it n nothing worked so far but not to take away from jelly bomb rom its a awesome rom super slick rom but just don't agree with ktoon kernel but I've been looking at aosp roms all day n you just explained a lot to help me understand better what's better thx man
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Aosp every time. Mainly it's a trade of features that gets me. I hate the aosp camera (main gripe ) but love the lock screen the theme engine and swipe brightness feature. I also detest the alarm clock in aosp. The cleanness ofthe install is a breeze to work with much easier to cut away all the fat in the system apps
The dialer is nicer in aosp in the end I usually go back to aosp because the battery is fantastic and I can have pretty themes o and the volume to skip track option is tip top
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Hey Galaxy,
Have you tried just the stock release for TW with Ktoonsez kernel? I am thinking the battery drain issue people are having are on some of these custom TW ROM's people are using.
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Hey Galaxy,
Have you tried just the stock release for TW with Ktoonsez kernel? I am thinking the battery drain issue people are having are on some of these custom TW ROM's people are using.
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no I haven't try that yet on stock tw rom n uea that's what mw86 n ktoon is been talking about for a couple of days now but it is only on tw n not on aosp or aokp however you want to say it
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I think Touchwiz is better I love all the features it has AOKP is nice and love it to just its to bare bone for me.
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I should have known that the 8 question marks in the title were going to lead to a post with butchered spelling and grammar as if the English dictionary doesn't exist.

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I should have known that the 8 question marks in the title were going to lead to a post with butchered spelling and grammar as if the English dictionary doesn't exist.
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Haha. As if the inconsistent capitalization and spacing wasn't enough of a giveaway... But I'm going to try to ignore the anti-grammatical OP and toss in my opinion anyway.
I personally tried to like Touchwiz when I first got the S3. I heard it was different. It was a big leap forward for Samsung's UI. It was supposed to be good. It's not (IMO). It does have a lot of useful features, but I kept finding more and more of the features to be super gimmicky. For instance, I know a lot of people find Smart Stay to be very useful, but it never worked for me, even in well-lit areas. I never used the motion or voice controls. They seemed unintuitive and clunky. The fact that the phone wakes on any received SMS/MMS and I can't change it without a 3rd party app is a big con for TW. Not only that, but I thought the color scheme was hideous - there were always either too many colors or the ones that were used clashed so badly that my eyes physically hurt from looking at the screen. Yeah, I can theme it, but can't it at least be tolerable out of the box like Sense or stock Android? Then, there's the lack of scrollable wallpaper with no way to change it; the immovable App Drawer icon; the immovable, unconfigurable toggles in the notification tray; the lack of native WiFi tether (I barely use it, but I like to know I can when I need it). On top of all that, in order to get decent performance out of the stock ROM, I had to disable at least 25 useless apps. And even then, there were performance issues (anyone who's used the XDA app in Touchwiz long enough knows how unusable it becomes; and that's the least of the problems). I just found Touchwiz to be too limiting of an experience for me.
On CM, I'm a lot happier. I don't theme the ROM because I don't feel like it's necessary; there is no gaudy purple/florescent green color combo anywhere, and the color scheme as a whole is much more cohesive. I have all the features I need and want to use without any of the problems. I get to customize it however I want. I don't have to disable a ton of apps that I can't uninstall. I get WiFi tether built into the ROM. I get everything I need without the gimmicks.
Frankly, if the best thing from Touchwiz that I'm missing is the camera (and it is), then I don't see the point in using Touchwiz over CM. Everything just feels a lot more streamlined here; less in-your-face.

Long time Sense user, hell this is my first Sammy. The reason I don't use AOSP is because as someone else mentioned, it is not completely bug free and the camera is not to my liking. I keep flip flopping back and forth but end up going back to touchwiz because of the gestures and motions built into the system.
If AOSP ever got the swipe to call and other touchwiz gestures and a better camera I would be all over it. Oh and the data swap/signal loss is what is really keeping me away from AOSP.
On a side note every time is see AOSP I was to say ASOP, like the fables lol!

That really is the only reason I have not gone AOSP. The length of time it takes switching from 3g to LTE and back. I would try it out if they fixed eHRPD to fix the data problem.
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AOSP: can't take advantage of eHRPD to transition from 3g to LTE fast and cleanly because eHRPD is proprietary. So it takes ages to switch back and forth and you lose data.
TW: doesn't have this problem and has other features that AOSP doesn't have along with the other features that AOSP does have.
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WiMax was cracked. What makes you think this won't be?
Plus eHRPD is a standard of the Third Generation Partnership Project 2. The are a non profit organisation. So I highly doubt eHRPD is proprietary. That doesn't mean things that depend on it like driver code isn't. But it will be fixed--soon.

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WiMax was cracked. What makes you think this won't be?
Plus eHRPD is a standard of the Third Generation Partnership Project 2. The are a non profit organisation. So I highly doubt eHRPD is proprietary. That doesn't mean things that depend on it like driver code isn't. But it will be fixed--soon.
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Well when it's fix I will try it, but until then the problem with data is a deal breaker for me and I would imagine a lot of people that want a daily driver.
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Well when it's fix I will try it, but until then the problem with data is a deal breaker for me and I would imagine a lot of people that want a daily driver.
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what's any of that have to do with what I said?

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what's any of that have to do with what I said?
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Um...everything. eHRPD not working takes data forever to transition from 3g to LTE, a deal breaker IMHO. When they fix it (if they fix it since it will take reverse engineering to achieve that) I will try AOSP.
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Aosp but really just MIUI the features that ROM has really makes me want that X phone that its stock on... so sexy
Also battery life is sick on Koons and MIUI... I went about 1 day and 16 hours and I was even using it!
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Um...everything. eHRPD not working takes data forever to transition from 3g to LTE, a deal breaker IMHO. When they fix it (if they fix it since it will take reverse engineering to achieve that) I will try AOSP.
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It's not like Wimax. They don't have to reverse engineer anything this time. I don't know why you'd assume that. The only reason it hasn't been fixed is that the devs didn't have access to upgraded towers yet. Now that NV is spreading and more people can test the RIL settings, it should be fixed very soon. The most recent test build even had it mostly fixed. If I lost data on it, it was for 5 seconds at the most, and most handoffs were seamless. It's just a matter of time now.

Yeah aosp aside from me plain old liking it, is a sortof investment. You run it, you test it. It constantly improves. When sprint doesn't even support this device any more aosp will still be getting updates. And will inevitably come to out perform tw with enough time
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CyanogenPure?

I love CyanogenMod, I really do. It is constantly improving and the devs working on it obviously work very hard to keep things running smoothly. However, with a codebase this large, constant improvements inevitably leads to a fairly consistent stream of new bugs amidst the improvements. I understand that nightlies are not intended to be used as daily drivers, although usually they are stable enough for most here at XDA.
Acknowledging all of this: I can't help but wish on some days that I could take the excellent skills/care/devotion of the CyanogenMod team and have them devote a fraction of their work to create a pure, optimized AOSP ROM. No mods, no community apps, and (hopefully) no bugs. This would be an incredible stop-gap between the initial build of a new CM nightlie (say, CM11) and the inevitable stable release.
This is NOT a statement against the added mods/apps to CyanogenMod (File Manager, Apollo, DSP Manager, etc.), I am very much of the opinion that these additions are beneficial, even necessary to the growth of CyanogenMod.
I do not expect this to happen, and I especially do not expect them to go back through CM10 and line-by-line strip all of their adjustments/additions. I understand that they are all very busy at work to keep us happy, and I appreciate that. Think of this as wishful thinking from a big fan.
Am I alone in this opinion?

it is called an AOSP rom. in this case vanilla. get a nexus device for that

Obviously, but I think you're missing my point...or you didn't read my post.

ohfoxxxycole said:
create a pure, optimized AOSP ROM. No mods, no community apps, and (hopefully) no bugs.
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A vanilla android rom with a custom kernel
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A vanilla android rom with a custom kernel
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Yes, but done by devs that know what they're doing.

Every single dev here knows what they are doing. Plus aosp is easy to compile for any device
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I don't see any after a quick search. I've used pure vanilla ROMs on my evo/evo3d and they were pretty terrible. I just assumed, by prior experience and lack of vanilla roms here, that they were tricky.

no, thats just because AOSP roms lack features that people crave from CM or AOKP

Alright, so we're back to my initial post now.

In other words an aosp pure android rom is not people look forward to. Cm10 stable rom is there and probably with like one minor bug or two.
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I know how you feel; I wish they would release a stable ROM for those that prefer stability over speed/features

EXACTLY. i love how hard the devs work to improve android and add features but until its possible to get a stable rom with these features I'd prefer simple, pure vanilla with all work going towards stability. Maybe I'll start on that one day
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ohfoxxxycole said:
EXACTLY. i love how hard the devs work to improve android and add features but until its possible to get a stable rom with these features I'd prefer simple, pure vanilla with all work going towards stability. Maybe I'll start on that one day
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You can't ask for optimization with stability. The nightlies are there because that's what they're trying to achieve, if it's not stable enough for you - don't use it. Go back to TW. That's the closest to pure stable for this device you're going to get. There are -always- bugs, even in the most fine tuned software, because it's all about what the user puts on their devices and how it interacts with the system.
Plus, not too long ago CM released the CM10 Milestone 2. It's stable enough for daily use. Give that a shot. If it's not to your liking, pull CM's device tree into a freshly synced repo of AOSP and compile it. See how easy it is to get it working.

There are -always- bugs, even in the most fine tuned software, because it's all about what the user puts on their devices and how it interacts with the system.
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this is true, but i'd be using this with mostly stock software + social network feeds and games only
the milestones are a great idea, and probably the closest thing im going to get to this, but they are still snapshots of mostly stable aosp with many many tweaks to keep modifications that i may or may not use stable. not exactly ideal, but thanks for the suggestion. i'll probably stick with the newest m build when it is ready.
im not asking for cms device tree compiled as it is, or anything at all. im just hoping that before or adjacent to cm11 getting going with mods and tweaks that they will release builds tailored to vanilla and nothing else, concentrating only on bugs before adding things and testing them and adding things and breaking things and testing them and so on and so forth. i feel im not communicating this efficiently and im sorry

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You can't ask for optimization with stability. The nightlies are there because that's what they're trying to achieve, if it's not stable enough for you - don't use it. Go back to TW. That's the closest to pure stable for this device you're going to get. There are -always- bugs, even in the most fine tuned software, because it's all about what the user puts on their devices and how it interacts with the system.
Plus, not too long ago CM released the CM10 Milestone 2. It's stable enough for daily use. Give that a shot. If it's not to your liking, pull CM's device tree into a freshly synced repo of AOSP and compile it. See how easy it is to get it working.
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Does the bottom mic work on M2? What about the data drops that constantly happen? Does it transition well from LTE to 3G, vice versa?
And these are serious questions, I'm not trying to be a [email protected] at all.
I have a 20 month old baby girl so I do a lot of video recording, so the bottom mic is important to me since the top one doesn't pick anything up unless you're basically speaking directly into it. I do a lot of business through my phone, so a reliable data connection is obviously very important too. I've had BB6 on my phone for about a week now, and I absolutely love it...with these two exceptions. It seems they're both problems with all AOSP ROMs. If they get fixed sooner rather than later, there will be zero reason to have TW ROM for me.
EDIT: And GPS seems to take quite a bit longer to lock on compared to TW.

hayzooos said:
Does the bottom mic work on M2? What about the data drops that constantly happen? Does it transition well from LTE to 3G, vice versa?
And these are serious questions, I'm not trying to be a [email protected] at all.
I have a 20 month old baby girl so I do a lot of video recording, so the bottom mic is important to me since the top one doesn't pick anything up unless you're basically speaking directly into it. I do a lot of business through my phone, so a reliable data connection is obviously very important too. I've had BB6 on my phone for about a week now, and I absolutely love it...with these two exceptions. It seems they're both problems with all AOSP ROMs. If they get fixed sooner rather than later, there will be zero reason to have TW ROM for me.
EDIT: And GPS seems to take quite a bit longer to lock on compared to TW.
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I was using m2 for quite a while before I switched over to bb6. In my time playing with m2 I found that video recording was fine and data connectivity took about 10 seconds longer on a reboot. Other than that I've experienced no data drops.
To add to this, YMMV. I'm not sure if my phone is different somehow but I've never had any of these problems that people describe with data drops at random.
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Also, as far as lte/3g hand off goes, I'm unable to test as I'm not in an lte area. As for GPS, it takes about 7 seconds to lock on in a room with no windows. Tested on slimbean, so again YMMV
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Just try looking into building aosp from source its really not that hard it will just take some time. You could even use the device tree for d2spr from cm so you really will just be using pure stock
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ohfoxxxycole said:
I don't see any after a quick search. I've used pure vanilla ROMs on my evo/evo3d and they were pretty terrible. I just assumed, by prior experience and lack of vanilla roms here, that they were tricky.
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You're clearly smoking some good crack. AOSP ROMs for the E3D are awesome right now.

Months ago
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Going back to Stock ROM - Done!

I am sure this topic has been beaten to death already but I still wanted to share my experience with custom ROMs and finally going back to the STOCK ROM. If beginners want to try out Custom ROMs, may be they can read this beginner's post.
First the ritual - Android community is great. ROM developers are great minds at work! Thanks for doing all the hard work and showing me whats in the Custom ROM world.
I started out with simple rooting of my phone to get tethering (cheap on my part but I think I pay more than what my carrier offers). After rooting, custom ROM was just so tempting. So I tried a few - CM, AOKP, Carbon. Honestly, out of all, CM10.0 was the most stable for me. Things I loved:
1. Battery Life - Can't say enough. There is so much junk that runs in background on STOCK ROMs.
2. 4.2.2 JB - Better than 4.1.2 but then, not by miles.
3. Ability to flash ROMs over the weekends You know it.
4. Utilities like Titanium backup and others that needed Root access.
5. Tether - super like.
Things I hated:
1. Force closures - OMG I couldn't understand how the STOCK ROMs are so robust or Is it that the Apps are tested on Stock ROMs very well that they don't crash. Countless failures for Instagram, Email, Camera, BT etc.
2. Camera functionality - I give 10 out of 10 to Samsung in creating great camera app. I am a heavy smartphone camera user. The 4.2.2 camera app was so laggy on my GS3. The user interface sucked (circle). No meter mode. Bad panorama mode, HDR mode and worst low light photos.
3. On one of the custom ROMs, I had horrible issues with making and receiving phone calls (Yes it can go that bad).
4. Bluetooth pairing with devices. BT crashed a lot while music was interrupted with incoming calls.
All in all, I am now happy that I am back to the STOCK ROM with This Link Many thanks to the Member.
There is a lot of excitement and good things about the Custom ROMs but if you are like me who is not a super power user, there is a lot to consider before jumping.
Happy Monday!

In CM 10.1, the FC issues were fixed for me. This applies for most current AOSP roms. I have not had any issues with camera lag either. I will admit that the stock camera is more robust with options but there are third party apps that help minimize the feeling of loss.
Regarding testing, this is what goes on here. The difference is you see the testing phases while you do not with the manufacturer. In addition, many of the drivers and hardware info is proprietary so developing drivers that are stable can be a hit and miss affair.
On the same note, not every phone and user is the same and the experience will be different for each. ROMs will possibly work differently across the same models of phone due to minor variations in quality which are nearly impossible to catch during the manufacturing process due to nearly microscopic differences.
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aybarrap1 said:
In CM 10.1, the FC issues were fixed for me. This applies for most current AOSP roms. I have not had any issues with camera lag either. I will admit that the stock camera is more robust with options but there are third party apps that help minimize the feeling of loss.
Regarding testing, this is what goes on here. The difference is you see the testing phases while you do not with the manufacturer. In addition, many of the drivers and hardware info is proprietary so developing drivers that are stable can be a hit and miss affair.
On the same note, not every phone and user is the same and the experience will be different for each. ROMs will possibly work differently across the same models of phone due to minor variations in quality which are nearly impossible to catch during the manufacturing process due to nearly microscopic differences.
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Totally agree with the slight variations in experiences with Custom ROMs. But for some reason, my jump to 10.1 was not smooth with FCs and I quickly made a u-turn to 10.0 and then ultimately to the STOCK ROM. Camera Apps like Camera Zoom are very good and they do provide more options like Metering and time lapse (missing in STOCK), they are still not complete (simple example - I can't enable Panorama from CamerZoom). Nevertheless, the experience can be really amazing when things work out but really frustrating when they don't. STOCK has its problems like I am missing my Solid Battery life today :crying:

I think I'm about to go back to stock as well. While I love all the extra features that custom roms offer, all the tinkering and occasional bugginess can take away from the overall experience. At least for me, anyways.
I also had been doing it long enough that I felt really comfortable with all the flashing that I was doing, but would still make the occasional mistake (look at the hilarity I posted in the stupid questions thread today). I'm thinking I'll play it safe, at least for now, before I do something I regret.
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newmind02 said:
I think I'm about to go back to stock as well. While I love all the extra features that custom roms offer, all the tinkering and occasional bugginess can take away from the overall experience. At least for me, anyways.
I also had been doing it long enough that I felt really comfortable with all the flashing that I was doing, but would still make the occasional mistake (look at the hilarity I posted in the stupid questions thread today). I'm thinking I'll play it safe, at least for now, before I do something I regret.
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It is in my opinion that even the stock roms have bugs. At seemingly random times, my alarm clocks on my AT&T S3 just didn't work when running stock. I was almost late for work 3 days in a row because of it (my alarm is set to repeat 5 times a week every week at the exact same time. I never turn it off). In addition, I get the occasional random battery drop that seems to have something to do with the switch between H+ and LTE when on a phone call.
I stuck with the stock rom for a while but now that AOSP roms are stable, I have switched. Whatever bugs are present do not affect me or they are so minor I work around it. It really comes down to what you find to be acceptable for you.
As far as being comfortable and making mistakes, I have done it as well. Being a flashing fiend has made me overconfident a few times and I botched several installs. Luckily I have been so busy of late, that my flashing desire has been on hold.

Never had any force closes.
Never had any lag
Never had any problems on custom Roms.
If you're experiencing and lag, force closes, you're MORE than likely doing something wrong on your end.
This phone doesn't lag. It should lag whatsoever. 1.5Ghz and 2Gs of ram does not create lag.
Touchwiz runs a LOT more stuff in the background.
Just follow instructions on how to flash, what to flash, and what to tweak. And I can guarantee you an awesome experience.
The camera as well. Just took some amazing lightning shots with 4.2.2 camera, on burst mode with 20 pictures taken in less then 3 seconds. No lag what's so ever.
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jayRokk said:
Never had any force closes.
Never had any lag
Never had any problems on custom Roms.
If you're experiencing and lag, force closes, you're MORE than likely doing something wrong on your end.
This phone doesn't lag. It should lag whatsoever. 1.5Ghz and 2Gs of ram does not create lag.
Touchwiz runs a LOT more stuff in the background.
Just follow instructions on how to flash, what to flash, and what to tweak. And I can guarantee you an awesome experience.
The camera as well. Just took some amazing lightning shots with 4.2.2 camera, on burst mode with 20 pictures taken in less then 3 seconds. No lag what's so ever.
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I concur
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techmine said:
I am sure this topic has been beaten to death already but I still wanted to share my experience with custom ROMs and finally going back to the STOCK ROM. If beginners want to try out Custom ROMs, may be they can read this beginner's post.
First the ritual - Android community is great. ROM developers are great minds at work! Thanks for doing all the hard work and showing me whats in the Custom ROM world.
I started out with simple rooting of my phone to get tethering (cheap on my part but I think I pay more than what my carrier offers). After rooting, custom ROM was just so tempting. So I tried a few - CM, AOKP, Carbon. Honestly, out of all, CM10.0 was the most stable for me. Things I loved:
1. Battery Life - Can't say enough. There is so much junk that runs in background on STOCK ROMs.
2. 4.2.2 JB - Better than 4.1.2 but then, not by miles.
3. Ability to flash ROMs over the weekends You know it.
4. Utilities like Titanium backup and others that needed Root access.
5. Tether - super like.
Things I hated:
1. Force closures - OMG I couldn't understand how the STOCK ROMs are so robust or Is it that the Apps are tested on Stock ROMs very well that they don't crash. Countless failures for Instagram, Email, Camera, BT etc.
2. Camera functionality - I give 10 out of 10 to Samsung in creating great camera app. I am a heavy smartphone camera user. The 4.2.2 camera app was so laggy on my GS3. The user interface sucked (circle). No meter mode. Bad panorama mode, HDR mode and worst low light photos.
3. On one of the custom ROMs, I had horrible issues with making and receiving phone calls (Yes it can go that bad).
4. Bluetooth pairing with devices. BT crashed a lot while music was interrupted with incoming calls.
All in all, I am now happy that I am back to the STOCK ROM with This Link Many thanks to the Member.
There is a lot of excitement and good things about the Custom ROMs but if you are like me who is not a super power user, there is a lot to consider before jumping.
Happy Monday!
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I tend to go back and forth between CM10.1 and Stock.
The biggest thing CM misses for me is the camera. Call me a fanboy but I really like what Samsung did to their camera optimizations in TW.
That being said, I don't like TW very much but a custom launcher and a few minor tweaks can make TW tolerable.
For apps running in the background I highly recommend Greenify for keeping apps dormant when you're not using them.
Titanium Backup also has a feature called Freeze that basically does the same thing as Greenify except it takes the app and prevents it from being used at all.
This is good for apps that you never use that come preloaded on the GS3 (AT&T and Samsung bloatware).