I love CyanogenMod, I really do. It is constantly improving and the devs working on it obviously work very hard to keep things running smoothly. However, with a codebase this large, constant improvements inevitably leads to a fairly consistent stream of new bugs amidst the improvements. I understand that nightlies are not intended to be used as daily drivers, although usually they are stable enough for most here at XDA.
Acknowledging all of this: I can't help but wish on some days that I could take the excellent skills/care/devotion of the CyanogenMod team and have them devote a fraction of their work to create a pure, optimized AOSP ROM. No mods, no community apps, and (hopefully) no bugs. This would be an incredible stop-gap between the initial build of a new CM nightlie (say, CM11) and the inevitable stable release.
This is NOT a statement against the added mods/apps to CyanogenMod (File Manager, Apollo, DSP Manager, etc.), I am very much of the opinion that these additions are beneficial, even necessary to the growth of CyanogenMod.
I do not expect this to happen, and I especially do not expect them to go back through CM10 and line-by-line strip all of their adjustments/additions. I understand that they are all very busy at work to keep us happy, and I appreciate that. Think of this as wishful thinking from a big fan.
Am I alone in this opinion?
it is called an AOSP rom. in this case vanilla. get a nexus device for that
Obviously, but I think you're missing my point...or you didn't read my post.
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create a pure, optimized AOSP ROM. No mods, no community apps, and (hopefully) no bugs.
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A vanilla android rom with a custom kernel
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A vanilla android rom with a custom kernel
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Yes, but done by devs that know what they're doing.
Every single dev here knows what they are doing. Plus aosp is easy to compile for any device
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I don't see any after a quick search. I've used pure vanilla ROMs on my evo/evo3d and they were pretty terrible. I just assumed, by prior experience and lack of vanilla roms here, that they were tricky.
no, thats just because AOSP roms lack features that people crave from CM or AOKP
Alright, so we're back to my initial post now.
In other words an aosp pure android rom is not people look forward to. Cm10 stable rom is there and probably with like one minor bug or two.
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I know how you feel; I wish they would release a stable ROM for those that prefer stability over speed/features
EXACTLY. i love how hard the devs work to improve android and add features but until its possible to get a stable rom with these features I'd prefer simple, pure vanilla with all work going towards stability. Maybe I'll start on that one day
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EXACTLY. i love how hard the devs work to improve android and add features but until its possible to get a stable rom with these features I'd prefer simple, pure vanilla with all work going towards stability. Maybe I'll start on that one day
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You can't ask for optimization with stability. The nightlies are there because that's what they're trying to achieve, if it's not stable enough for you - don't use it. Go back to TW. That's the closest to pure stable for this device you're going to get. There are -always- bugs, even in the most fine tuned software, because it's all about what the user puts on their devices and how it interacts with the system.
Plus, not too long ago CM released the CM10 Milestone 2. It's stable enough for daily use. Give that a shot. If it's not to your liking, pull CM's device tree into a freshly synced repo of AOSP and compile it. See how easy it is to get it working.
There are -always- bugs, even in the most fine tuned software, because it's all about what the user puts on their devices and how it interacts with the system.
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this is true, but i'd be using this with mostly stock software + social network feeds and games only
the milestones are a great idea, and probably the closest thing im going to get to this, but they are still snapshots of mostly stable aosp with many many tweaks to keep modifications that i may or may not use stable. not exactly ideal, but thanks for the suggestion. i'll probably stick with the newest m build when it is ready.
im not asking for cms device tree compiled as it is, or anything at all. im just hoping that before or adjacent to cm11 getting going with mods and tweaks that they will release builds tailored to vanilla and nothing else, concentrating only on bugs before adding things and testing them and adding things and breaking things and testing them and so on and so forth. i feel im not communicating this efficiently and im sorry
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You can't ask for optimization with stability. The nightlies are there because that's what they're trying to achieve, if it's not stable enough for you - don't use it. Go back to TW. That's the closest to pure stable for this device you're going to get. There are -always- bugs, even in the most fine tuned software, because it's all about what the user puts on their devices and how it interacts with the system.
Plus, not too long ago CM released the CM10 Milestone 2. It's stable enough for daily use. Give that a shot. If it's not to your liking, pull CM's device tree into a freshly synced repo of AOSP and compile it. See how easy it is to get it working.
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Does the bottom mic work on M2? What about the data drops that constantly happen? Does it transition well from LTE to 3G, vice versa?
And these are serious questions, I'm not trying to be a [email protected] at all.
I have a 20 month old baby girl so I do a lot of video recording, so the bottom mic is important to me since the top one doesn't pick anything up unless you're basically speaking directly into it. I do a lot of business through my phone, so a reliable data connection is obviously very important too. I've had BB6 on my phone for about a week now, and I absolutely love it...with these two exceptions. It seems they're both problems with all AOSP ROMs. If they get fixed sooner rather than later, there will be zero reason to have TW ROM for me.
EDIT: And GPS seems to take quite a bit longer to lock on compared to TW.
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Does the bottom mic work on M2? What about the data drops that constantly happen? Does it transition well from LTE to 3G, vice versa?
And these are serious questions, I'm not trying to be a [email protected] at all.
I have a 20 month old baby girl so I do a lot of video recording, so the bottom mic is important to me since the top one doesn't pick anything up unless you're basically speaking directly into it. I do a lot of business through my phone, so a reliable data connection is obviously very important too. I've had BB6 on my phone for about a week now, and I absolutely love it...with these two exceptions. It seems they're both problems with all AOSP ROMs. If they get fixed sooner rather than later, there will be zero reason to have TW ROM for me.
EDIT: And GPS seems to take quite a bit longer to lock on compared to TW.
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I was using m2 for quite a while before I switched over to bb6. In my time playing with m2 I found that video recording was fine and data connectivity took about 10 seconds longer on a reboot. Other than that I've experienced no data drops.
To add to this, YMMV. I'm not sure if my phone is different somehow but I've never had any of these problems that people describe with data drops at random.
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Also, as far as lte/3g hand off goes, I'm unable to test as I'm not in an lte area. As for GPS, it takes about 7 seconds to lock on in a room with no windows. Tested on slimbean, so again YMMV
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Just try looking into building aosp from source its really not that hard it will just take some time. You could even use the device tree for d2spr from cm so you really will just be using pure stock
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I don't see any after a quick search. I've used pure vanilla ROMs on my evo/evo3d and they were pretty terrible. I just assumed, by prior experience and lack of vanilla roms here, that they were tricky.
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You're clearly smoking some good crack. AOSP ROMs for the E3D are awesome right now.
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With the flurry of ROMs available, but not alot of time to really tinker, evaluate, troubleshoot etc, I'm looking for a real no brainer ROM to flash. CM7 seems to be so popular, but I cant understand why since I hear of so many things that are "broken" like GPS, etc.
I'm obviously a noob to this, wondering why CM7 is such a winner in the community?
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With the flurry of ROMs available, but not alot of time to really tinker, evaluate, troubleshoot etc, I'm looking for a real no brainer ROM to flash. CM7 seems to be so popular, but I cant understand why since I hear of so many things that are "broken" like GPS, etc.
I'm obviously a noob to this, wondering why CM7 is such a winner in the community?
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Cm7 and other aosp roms are the way to go If you want the best battery life possible and there is a fix for GPS
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Personally never had a gps issue, but CM7/AOSP offers the bets battery life and performance.
I tried every possible fix and only one temporarily worked. The ##clrxgps# or however it was expressed from sense trick. Others have had the regular flashable zips work though. Cm7 was great until I actually needed GPS..sadly made a wrong turn because of this "GPS currently lost signal" every few blocks..got into in accident the next day...not cm7 fault but..had I been on a stable ROM (GPS-wise) I wouldn't be a laughing stock right now lmao. MIUI has very reliable GPS. Just saying.
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I also heard BT was flaky as well.
Is it too much to ask for a ROM with CM7 battery life but fully working 4G, GPS, BT, and WiFI? lol
Anyway, Thanks for the feedback all. I guess if battery life is your number one priority, its the way to go.
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I tried every possible fix and only one temporarily worked. The ##clrxgps# or however it was expressed from sense trick. Others have had the regular flashable zips work though. Cm7 was great until I actually needed GPS..sadly made a wrong turn because of this "GPS currently lost signal" every few blocks..got into in accident the next day...not cm7 fault but..had I been on a stable ROM (GPS-wise) I wouldn't be a laughing stock right now lmao. MIUI has very reliable GPS. Just saying.
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I use GPS Status from the market. run that every few days and everything is gravy. i use my phone to track my bike rides... so yeah gps mos def ain't broke
to answer the original question cause CM7 is the best
As far as the gps goes, browse around the forums here, plenty of options of fixes...but I recently went to the evo deck rom, its another aosp running 2.3.7, found it to be much cleaner and less buggy than cm7, and it still offers the different theming which imo is what makes cm7 legit.
I've only been rooted for a couple of weeks and went with CM7.1 stable because of its notoriety and large set of peers. That way there are a lot of people in your shoes if you run into issues, though I've had things go really smooth so far.
I flashed the GPS fix and that was easy. I can't really think of anything else that was "broken." Since then, I've flashed a Tiamat kernel and replaced the CWM Revolutionary recovery with the new Amon_RA recovery (3.08). It's very fast and stable in my experience... plus it looks really nice.
CyanogenMod include native theming support (also known as the "T-Mobile Theme Engine"), a codec for the Free Lossless Audio Codec (FLAC), a large Access Point Name list, an OpenVPN client, a reboot menu, support for Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and USB tethering, CPU overclocking, soft buttons and other "tablet tweaks", toggles in the notification pull-down (such as Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS), as well as other interface enhancements. CyanogenMod is also stated to increase performance and reliability compared with official firmware releases.
CyanogenMod is developed as free and open source software based on the official releases of Android by Google, Inc. together with original and third-party code.
Although only a subset of total CyanogenMod users elect to report their use of the firmware,as of 7 December 2011, CyanogenMod has recorded over 900,000 active installs on a multitude of devices.
Cyanogenmod has some of the top devs around the world working on it from top to bottom.
As most users on XDA, I've got a rooted device that I want to use a custom ROM on, and there are so many choices it makes choosing a ROM very difficult.
And it is all a matter of preference, depending what included features (included Gapps, default launcher, notification options, etc) or what base it is built from (CM10, AOSP, AOKP, etc) everyone has their own preference.
I created this public spreadsheet, but I thought it may be useful for others, and allow others to possibly to keep track of what features are included out-of-the-box on different custom ROMs. It has really taken off since I originally created it.
http://goo.gl/U8a0E
Hopefully this can help others like me who want to quickly know what features they will or won't have with different custom ROMs.
I considered trying to do a forum post on this, but obviously I would have to keep up with updates myself on Post #1 like most stickied reference posts, that's why I thought a public Google Spreadsheet would be more helpful as anyone can update it.
Overall, a lot of this will probably be moot once a stable CM10 is released, but we never really know how long that can take. And we all know there will still be customizations made to it, one I can think of specifically is Paranoid Android.
Thanks everyone who makes updates to the sheet. I would also like to throw out a HUGE thank you to the custom ROM makers giving us stable ROMs that meet our individual needs.
And, as the Google Doc can be viewed by ANYONE, must get permission on google account to edit.
My personal "Must Haves":
- T9 Dialer (avoid having to install separate dialer app)
- Customizable Notification drop down for Additional Toggles (this has replaced the need for Widgetsoid2 since I can have the Flashlight and Wifi AP here.)
- Reboot and Reboot to Recovery in Power Menu (Mostly Reboot as a minimum as I sometimes forget to turn it back on if I Poweroff)
- Battery Percentage in Status Bar (The logo itself is no where near specific enough for my needs, and I now prefer the circle style)
NOVEMBER 24, 2012 UPDATE: Personally I've switched over to Paranoid Android 2.99.3 (beta 3), it doesn't have my personal must haves yet, but I'm sure it will, currently I'd rather have 4.2 and lose a few features, than be running 4.1.2, it is one of the first roms with customizations to be released on AOSP 4.2, so until it is 3.x it could have some bugs.
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I've tried a few ROMs on my Unlocked GSM Galaxy Nexus and am still trying to find the ROM that has all the features I want. And is the most stable with those features.
I just created this public spreadsheet, mostly for my own use so it is very basic at the moment. But I thought it may be useful for others, and allow others to possibly to keep track of what features are included out-of-the-box on different custom ROMs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AggpxyzXBu--dEZMWnZTUWtMVXBpdHNteW5zTXpRVmc
Hopefully this can help others like me who want to quickly know what features they will or won't have with different custom ROMs.
I considered trying to do a forum post on this, but obviously I would have to keep up with updates myself on Post #1 like most stickied reference posts, that's why I thought a public Google Spreadsheet would be more helpful as anyone can update it.
Like I said, it is very empty right now and is completely open to others who want to make changes to it.
Overall, a lot of this will probably be moot once a stable CM10 is released, but we never really know how long that can take. And we all know there will still be customizations made to it, one I can think of specifically is Paranoid Android, and I haven't even included it on the Google Spreadsheet yet as I still haven't tried it.
I would like to throw out a HUGE thank you to the custom ROM makers giving us stable and fast versions of what CM10 can't do yet, isn't stable enough to use yet, or may never do in some cases.
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This is nice. I have bought gnex seven days ago and tried every JB ROM so far.
Also I noticed that paranoid, like you said ( the only ROM that I am using as a daily driver ) is not on this list.
You really should try his alpha 1.9.1 with included kernel. Well now all kernels work on this ROM. But I think that gnex is the beast already and doesnt need any Custom kernels.
Hey I like Franco kernel and I purchased his app and I am playing a lot with it, but as long as I need decent battery life I will use stock kernel. On that ROM I had only 2% of battery dropped in amazing 6 night hours. I just couldnt believe my eyes.
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This is nice. I have bought gnex seven days ago and tried every JB ROM so far.
Also I noticed that paranoid, like you said ( the only ROM that I am using as a daily driver ) is not on this list.
You really should try his alpha 1.9.1 with included kernel. Well now all kernels work on this ROM. But I think that gnex is the beast already and doesnt need any Custom kernels.
Hey I like Franco kernel and I purchased his app and I am playing a lot with it, but as long as I need decent battery life I will use stock kernel. On that ROM I had only 2% of battery dropped in amazing 6 night hours. I just couldnt believe my eyes.
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Yeah, I was trying to find a good ROM to get me by until CM10 was officially released as "Stable", and I was going to wait until that to try Paranoid Android, especially with all the customization I can do in it.
I may have to give it a try, maybe once I see my spreadsheet fill up with more user input. I'm already seeing a lot of activity on the sheet.
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Yeah, I was trying to find a good ROM to get me by until CM10 was officially released as "Stable", and I was going to wait until that to try Paranoid Android, especially with all the customization I can do in it.
I may have to give it a try, maybe once I see my spreadsheet fill up with more user input. I'm already seeing a lot of activity on the sheet.
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Great thing, i've just checked the document and cant believe. Excellent and I'm glad to see that there is no problems with paranoid rom so far. I respect the work of all developers, but for me paranoid is the best so far, phablet mode is excellent and original approach.
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Great thing, i've just checked the document and cant believe. Excellent and I'm glad to see that there is no problems with paranoid rom so far. I respect the work of all developers, but for me paranoid is the best so far, phablet mode is excellent and original approach.
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Great idea, love the list. Love the idea of being able to let anyone edit it.
Excellent
ThunderStick said:
Great idea, love the list. Love the idea of being able to let anyone edit it.
Excellent
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Thanks, I assume you added Soft and Chewy.
I'm downloading the newest CM10 and JellyBro to load onto my Nexus quick, hopefully I will get those two filled in completely, then at least I will know where my baseline is for my own personal comparison.
A few people have messed it up a bit and I'm sure some changes got lost, but if I don't leave it wide open, I know a lot of people won't make changes.
So, after all of that, and the spreadsheet getting updated by users pretty nicely, it looks like there is a functional enough CM10 (from the +Google page) v1.8 that is stable enough for me to start using as a daily driver for at least a few days.
I'll be using Gapps-b as I need Picasa sync to be working.
Damn! That's great work, well done! Keeping this up to date will be the hardest part but if you manage it you will help the Galaxy Nexus community a lot! I'll try to help. Keep up the good work.
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Thanks, I assume you added Soft and Chewy.
I'm downloading the newest CM10 and JellyBro to load onto my Nexus quick, hopefully I will get those two filled in completely, then at least I will know where my baseline is for my own personal comparison.
A few people have messed it up a bit and I'm sure some changes got lost, but if I don't leave it wide open, I know a lot of people won't make changes.
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I would probably leave the battery life comparison off. This is very subjective on any Rom or device.
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I would probably leave the battery life comparison off. This is very subjective on any Rom or device.
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I agree, I didn't put the battery life on there, all roms except the Nightlies like to advertise "Good" battery life anyway.
That's one of the issues with leaving it editable by anyone.
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That's one of the issues with leaving it editable by anyone.
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You could leave the public version as is, but add a "revised" version (editable only by you) that weeds out any egregious and obvious inaccuracies.
Oops misread.
I started one of these back in the day for the droid Eris. You should be able to leave it public, you can always see and revert changes.
Can we get a column for cdma vs GSM?
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Thanks for sharing man! Im using xenonhd ad my first custom ROM band its fine
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So, overall, I definitely accomplished what I wanted to do with the Google Doc, everyone has been awesome with their updates to it.
But, for myself, the Doc is basically useless as soon as I found CM10 v1.8 on the +Google page, which is basically a very stable nightly (although it isn't), it is exactly what I wanted....
It's very stable, gives me all the features I have as my "Bare Minimum"
- Toggles in notification screen
- Battery Percentage in Status bar
- Reboot options in shutdown menu
I ended up in the exact same state after trying numerous custom roms on my HTC Desire and Motorola Atrix previously, always just ending up with CyanogenMod7.
And I happened to just fall onto the +Google post with v1.8 while compiling the Google Doc. Was about to download 1.3 then 1.8 was posted and I'm LOVING it.
And as long as I stick to CM10, I shouldn't have to wipe my data, I'm tired of doing all my Titanium Restores (as I don't have the paid version).
Again, thanks everyone for updating the Google Doc, and as I've made it public, anyone should be able to update it and keep it updated for other people out there that want to use custom roms. And if anyone ever needs to revert anything that really breaks it, all you have to do is log in with your google account.
I really hope it helps some people find the ROM they want to use for their specific needs. And it would be nice to see more of these for different devices, especially for devices not officially supported by CyanogenMod. I may have to get one started for my Motorola Atrix 4G.
Anyone notice this on both CM official and jelly bro.
There's no Document Viewer app??? it's in stock! I can view pdf, microsoft word, without needing to download 3rd party app.
Show widget before lockscreen seems not working in both CM official and jelly bro.
Great work. Should always be maintained and help users what they really want.
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Anyone notice this on both CM official and jelly bro.
There's no Document Viewer app??? it's in stock! I can view pdf, microsoft word, without needing to download 3rd party app.
Show widget before lockscreen seems not working in both CM official and jelly bro.
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It may be in stock, but is not in AOSP.
Plenty of apps on the market for it, which is how we justify not adding one.
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It may be in stock, but is not in AOSP.
Plenty of apps on the market for it, which is how we justify not adding one.
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Speaking of that, does anyone know what document viewer the stock Nexus uses, and if there is an Play App, or APK I can install on CM10 that is the same.
I have Documents to Go, but I'm wondering what the Stock nexus one is.
I've added this to the spreadsheet as CM10 not having one, so if we know which app the Stock has I can put that on the spreadsheet.
Thanks.
The main question is which is better touchwiz or aosp? Here everyone can base there opinions on each type of rom. The pro's and con's of each type. Is touchwiz or is aosp better? That is the question
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TW: gaudy but plenty of added features
AOSP: clean and unobtrusive, more substantially moddable
AOKP is my daily, but I flash TW ROMs when they catch my eye.
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AOSP: can't take advantage of eHRPD to transition from 3g to LTE fast and cleanly because eHRPD is proprietary. So it takes ages to switch back and forth and you lose data.
TW: doesn't have this problem and has other features that AOSP doesn't have along with the other features that AOSP does have.
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I've always been a HUGE fan of CM/Aosp. I tried 5 or so tw roms on d2spr and I think they are all AmAzinG and tw has came a loooong way, (new tw is better than older versions..) and we have some VERY skilled devs who build tw roms on d2spr but I favor Aosp. WiFi tether works on Aosp now and does not on tw which I use from the to time to use my Nexus 7 when away from home and no WiFi is available... Some reasons i prefer Aosp: Because its Android open source project not Samsung. I love CM and the theme chooser!! Don't have to boot back into recovery to add mods, we can just install a theme, reboot & in a few secs & completely changes the phone and the themes are endless on the playstore. Theme chooser rocks!!! The roms are small and have no bloat/ extra apps added.. On Aosp you can use inverted gapps package or reg, you choose & they aren't built in like tw. (HUGE deal to me to have a big variety to choose from, so many different apps to choose from..) I love all the different kangs! Development blows up on Aosp and there are constant updates straight from source and I love flashing!! [certified crackflasher in 3 states] :what: Aosp is on Jb 4.1.2 now and tw is on 4.1.1. I'm a long time member of the neXus forever club and owned every Nex phone ever made and I just couldn't hold off till next Nex dropped so I purchased the d2spr, not disappointed, really do love this phone and all the roms are great, Tw and Aosp... I like the entire open source community and I think its great that ppl learn and work together and a share their work and ideas and make the whole Android experience better than it already is!! I support open source and always will. Been very broke lately but have donated several times 10$ here and there to devs. (Coming soon, had some unexpected events come up) Guess that's about it, my opinion anyway.
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I've always been a HUGE fan of CM/Aosp. I tried 5 or so tw roms on d2spr and I think they are all AmAzinG and tw has came a loooong way, (new tw is better than older versions..) and we have some VERY skilled devs who build tw roms on d2spr but I favor Aosp. WiFi tether works on Aosp now and does not on tw which I use from the to time to use my Nexus 7 when away from home and no WiFi is available... Some reasons i prefer Aosp: Because its Android open source project not Samsung. I love CM and the theme chooser!! Don't have to boot back into recovery to add mods, we can just install a theme, reboot & in a few secs & completely changes the phone and the themes are endless on the playstore. Theme chooser rocks!!! The roms are small and have no bloat/ extra apps added.. On Aosp you can use inverted gapps package or reg, you choose & they aren't built in like tw. (HUGE deal to me to have a big variety to choose from, so many different apps to choose from..) I love all the different kangs! Development blows up on Aosp and there are constant updates straight from source and I love flashing!! [certified crackflasher in 3 states] :what: Aosp is on Jb 4.1.2 now and tw is on 4.1.1. I'm a long time member of the neXus forever club and owned every Nex phone ever made and I just couldn't hold off till next Nex dropped so I purchased the d2spr, not disappointed, really do love this phone and all the roms are great, Tw and Aosp... I like the entire open source community and I think its great that ppl learn and work together and a share their work and ideas and make the whole Android experience better than it already is!! I support open source and always will. Been very broke lately but have donated several times 10$ here and there to devs. (Coming soon, had some unexpected events come up) Guess that's about it, my opinion anyway.
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Wow that was very good bro see I was kinda tossed on which way I should go aosp or tw on running jelly bomb right now but I can't run ktoon kernel on it it just drains my battery fast I mean I take my phone off charger at 730 am and by 12 I'm down to 30% tryed everything in the book to fix it n nothing worked so far but not to take away from jelly bomb rom its a awesome rom super slick rom but just don't agree with ktoon kernel but I've been looking at aosp roms all day n you just explained a lot to help me understand better what's better thx man
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Aosp every time. Mainly it's a trade of features that gets me. I hate the aosp camera (main gripe ) but love the lock screen the theme engine and swipe brightness feature. I also detest the alarm clock in aosp. The cleanness ofthe install is a breeze to work with much easier to cut away all the fat in the system apps
The dialer is nicer in aosp in the end I usually go back to aosp because the battery is fantastic and I can have pretty themes o and the volume to skip track option is tip top
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Hey Galaxy,
Have you tried just the stock release for TW with Ktoonsez kernel? I am thinking the battery drain issue people are having are on some of these custom TW ROM's people are using.
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slickdaddy96 said:
Hey Galaxy,
Have you tried just the stock release for TW with Ktoonsez kernel? I am thinking the battery drain issue people are having are on some of these custom TW ROM's people are using.
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no I haven't try that yet on stock tw rom n uea that's what mw86 n ktoon is been talking about for a couple of days now but it is only on tw n not on aosp or aokp however you want to say it
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I think Touchwiz is better I love all the features it has AOKP is nice and love it to just its to bare bone for me.
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I should have known that the 8 question marks in the title were going to lead to a post with butchered spelling and grammar as if the English dictionary doesn't exist.
cnstarz said:
I should have known that the 8 question marks in the title were going to lead to a post with butchered spelling and grammar as if the English dictionary doesn't exist.
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Haha. As if the inconsistent capitalization and spacing wasn't enough of a giveaway... But I'm going to try to ignore the anti-grammatical OP and toss in my opinion anyway.
I personally tried to like Touchwiz when I first got the S3. I heard it was different. It was a big leap forward for Samsung's UI. It was supposed to be good. It's not (IMO). It does have a lot of useful features, but I kept finding more and more of the features to be super gimmicky. For instance, I know a lot of people find Smart Stay to be very useful, but it never worked for me, even in well-lit areas. I never used the motion or voice controls. They seemed unintuitive and clunky. The fact that the phone wakes on any received SMS/MMS and I can't change it without a 3rd party app is a big con for TW. Not only that, but I thought the color scheme was hideous - there were always either too many colors or the ones that were used clashed so badly that my eyes physically hurt from looking at the screen. Yeah, I can theme it, but can't it at least be tolerable out of the box like Sense or stock Android? Then, there's the lack of scrollable wallpaper with no way to change it; the immovable App Drawer icon; the immovable, unconfigurable toggles in the notification tray; the lack of native WiFi tether (I barely use it, but I like to know I can when I need it). On top of all that, in order to get decent performance out of the stock ROM, I had to disable at least 25 useless apps. And even then, there were performance issues (anyone who's used the XDA app in Touchwiz long enough knows how unusable it becomes; and that's the least of the problems). I just found Touchwiz to be too limiting of an experience for me.
On CM, I'm a lot happier. I don't theme the ROM because I don't feel like it's necessary; there is no gaudy purple/florescent green color combo anywhere, and the color scheme as a whole is much more cohesive. I have all the features I need and want to use without any of the problems. I get to customize it however I want. I don't have to disable a ton of apps that I can't uninstall. I get WiFi tether built into the ROM. I get everything I need without the gimmicks.
Frankly, if the best thing from Touchwiz that I'm missing is the camera (and it is), then I don't see the point in using Touchwiz over CM. Everything just feels a lot more streamlined here; less in-your-face.
Long time Sense user, hell this is my first Sammy. The reason I don't use AOSP is because as someone else mentioned, it is not completely bug free and the camera is not to my liking. I keep flip flopping back and forth but end up going back to touchwiz because of the gestures and motions built into the system.
If AOSP ever got the swipe to call and other touchwiz gestures and a better camera I would be all over it. Oh and the data swap/signal loss is what is really keeping me away from AOSP.
On a side note every time is see AOSP I was to say ASOP, like the fables lol!
That really is the only reason I have not gone AOSP. The length of time it takes switching from 3g to LTE and back. I would try it out if they fixed eHRPD to fix the data problem.
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AOSP: can't take advantage of eHRPD to transition from 3g to LTE fast and cleanly because eHRPD is proprietary. So it takes ages to switch back and forth and you lose data.
TW: doesn't have this problem and has other features that AOSP doesn't have along with the other features that AOSP does have.
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WiMax was cracked. What makes you think this won't be?
Plus eHRPD is a standard of the Third Generation Partnership Project 2. The are a non profit organisation. So I highly doubt eHRPD is proprietary. That doesn't mean things that depend on it like driver code isn't. But it will be fixed--soon.
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WiMax was cracked. What makes you think this won't be?
Plus eHRPD is a standard of the Third Generation Partnership Project 2. The are a non profit organisation. So I highly doubt eHRPD is proprietary. That doesn't mean things that depend on it like driver code isn't. But it will be fixed--soon.
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Well when it's fix I will try it, but until then the problem with data is a deal breaker for me and I would imagine a lot of people that want a daily driver.
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Well when it's fix I will try it, but until then the problem with data is a deal breaker for me and I would imagine a lot of people that want a daily driver.
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what's any of that have to do with what I said?
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what's any of that have to do with what I said?
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Um...everything. eHRPD not working takes data forever to transition from 3g to LTE, a deal breaker IMHO. When they fix it (if they fix it since it will take reverse engineering to achieve that) I will try AOSP.
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Aosp but really just MIUI the features that ROM has really makes me want that X phone that its stock on... so sexy
Also battery life is sick on Koons and MIUI... I went about 1 day and 16 hours and I was even using it!
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Um...everything. eHRPD not working takes data forever to transition from 3g to LTE, a deal breaker IMHO. When they fix it (if they fix it since it will take reverse engineering to achieve that) I will try AOSP.
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It's not like Wimax. They don't have to reverse engineer anything this time. I don't know why you'd assume that. The only reason it hasn't been fixed is that the devs didn't have access to upgraded towers yet. Now that NV is spreading and more people can test the RIL settings, it should be fixed very soon. The most recent test build even had it mostly fixed. If I lost data on it, it was for 5 seconds at the most, and most handoffs were seamless. It's just a matter of time now.
Yeah aosp aside from me plain old liking it, is a sortof investment. You run it, you test it. It constantly improves. When sprint doesn't even support this device any more aosp will still be getting updates. And will inevitably come to out perform tw with enough time
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im looking to flash a new rom and i want to thoroughly reserach it before flashing. Does anyone know where I can find FAQs and list of issues to the following roms?
Such as something like AOKP has
[ROM] AOKP(Jellybean 4.2.1 )Task650 (2.2.2013b) (AT&T)
FAQ:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29198513&postcount=3
Q&A: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29198513#post29198513
[ROM][CM10:Hybrid] PARANOIDANDROID 2.55 (11/21)
Q&A: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1819441
Though I couldnt find a summary or a list of report bugs
[ROM][PA:AOKP] ParanoidKANGdroid 1.40 (11/21) The Most Customizable ROM on Earth!
I couldnt find any Q&A for this ROM, but PA had it......
[ROM][OFFICIAL] CyanogenMod 10 Nightly Builds for SGH-I747
Q&A: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786563
I couldnt find list of bugs for CM10, speciifcally for stable or Milestones.
If there is a link to what I'm asking for above that will be great. If not, i'll continue reading through the threads.
I'm looking at CM10 and I've been reading lots of issues even at stable......sometimes it makes me think
1) Why do people flash custom roms?
2) is it worth getting a new menu but in exchange your camera, bt, or whatever might not work. Or worse yet, something that you need but only discover that it doesnt work when you use it on the spot?
understand that some of these roms have bugs to be worked out due to the fact that they're still very new. also, many users experience bugs/glitches, etc on stable roms because they dont follow the developers installation instructions. take the time to read up on these roms and you'll be able to conclude that many bugs are the result of user error. a solid rom by a great developer (installed properly) can make your S3 the best phone you've ever had. what are you running at the moment?
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understand that some of these roms have bugs to be worked out due to the fact that they're still very new. also, many users experience bugs/glitches, etc on stable roms because they dont follow the developers installation instructions. take the time to read up on these roms and you'll be able to conclude that many bugs are the result of user error. a solid rom by a great developer (installed properly) can make your S3 the best phone you've ever had. what are you running at the moment?
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running Paranoid Android.
It's fairly stable, I haven't ran into too many problems yet.
I did notice it was a bit laggier than my stock ICS after my ICS was supercharged with V6.
its also a bit laggier on games.
It delivers a few customizations i like, like calls only log, custom boot animation, customizable quick launch, face unlock that is fickle.....but i just cant see as of right now why I would change? I lose the ability to make folders on trebuchet (yes....i know Nova Prime), I lose hand swipe screen capture, i lose smart stay (yes there are apps for it). I almost wnat to say battery is a bit worse than stock, during idle its about the same.
You also lose s planner which i found a replacement apps. It just seems like a lot of work restoring sms, tibu, changing all settings to your liking, reinstalling launcher and load settings, loading contact information etc etc for the ability to add toggles, sliding background......
I'm cool for the aesthetics, but i wonder is there any practical improvements, as in performance, speed, signal, battery life.... i think i would enjoy that rom better..........would going to AOKP be the one for me?
I enjoy AOKP, but I could care less about many of the touchwiz features that many people look for/enjoy. I love the performance and reliability of AOKP as well as the ability to tweak/customize. Download Super Backup for your sms/apps, etc, make a nandroid and give something else a shot if you'd like. I've been using AOKP's 4.1.2 release since late last year and I'm not switching any time soon. I've downloaded and flashed the Nexus 4 camera (on xda forum) and have exactly the S3 I want
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I enjoy AOKP, but I could care less about many of the touchwiz features that many people look for/enjoy. I love the performance and reliability of AOKP as well as the ability to tweak/customize. Download Super Backup for your sms/apps, etc, make a nandroid and give something else a shot if you'd like. I've been using AOKP's 4.1.2 release since late last year and I'm not switching any time soon. I've downloaded and flashed the Nexus 4 camera (on xda forum) and have exactly the S3 I want
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Yea i figured i'd jump to AOKP next since PA has CM10 integrated within it already.
I've also tried Ariel (ICS rom), not only did it lack customizability, it wasnt stable. it felt like a less stable version of stock..... i was highly disappointed in my first custom rom. Its not that i like TW necessarily, but the way that everything is set up, its pretty smooth for me and the battery is good too.
I want to try out AOKP or PK before making a decision though.
Plain old SGH-T999 that I've flashed with CM 10.1.2, 10.1.1 and 10.1-nightlies. I format and wipe the cache/data/etc and do zip installs from the MicroSD with TRWP. I'm using GAPPS (20130301) from goo.im
Google maps crashes when you're navigating and get a call and re-enter the app without using the system bar. I've experienced quite a few other crashes that I never did on the stock TW ROM. CM takes the stance that gapps are not supported, yet what good is CM without it?
I was at a major ballbark and could barely get data-connectivity while iPhone and other S3/4 stock ROM users were loading pages at lightning fast speeds while I'm getting timeouts to google.com. That seems to have improved when reflashed nightlies and set it to GSM/WCDMA auto. (Why does the tmobile build of CyanogenMod even show the CMDA/EvDo options?)
Is Cyanogen just not any good if you want a rock solid AOSP type daily driver?
I'm not trying to rip on Cyanogen developers, I'm just frustrated I can't seem to get a stable stock android experience on the S3. All the other ROMs seem to be recompiled junk that focus on theming and and useless UI modifications or overclocking/kernelmod garbage.
First off, probably not a good idea to be bad mouthing the development on these forums which is FREE of charge to you. That gives you no right to complain about the work of the devs on this site. However, if you want a stable aosp rom, I would highly suggest liquid smooth.
If you want a stable CM rom you might want to stay away from nightlies which are experimental roms which usually contain bugs. You should be trying to flash the stable builds.
Edit: I also see that you didn't mentioning wiping the system partition when you flash roms. You're supposed to wipe system, data, cache and Dalvik cache before you flash a new rom with gapps.
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I'm not trying to rip on Cyanogen developers, I'm just frustrated I can't seem to get a stable stock android experience on the S3. All the other ROMs seem to be recompiled junk that focus on theming and and useless UI modifications or overclocking/kernelmod garbage.
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That's interesting, I've never seen anyone be so rude and call all other ROMs recompiled junk that focuses on theming and useless UI modifications or over clocking/kernel mod garbage. I seriously don't know how you can b*itch and whine about something you get to use free of charge. Here's an idea, don't use it.
You know what, I'd like to see you build from source and release your own ROM, let's see how that turns out.
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Da Kine said:
You know what, I'd like to see you build from source and release your own ROM, let's see how that turns out.
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First off, probably not a good idea to be bad mouthing the development on these forums which is FREE of charge to you. That gives you no right to complain about the work of the devs on this site.
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Just because something is released for free doesn't mean people don't have a right to complain about it. Ubuntu garnered a ton of complaints when they released the unity interface, and rightfully so.
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However, if you want a stable aosp rom, I would highly suggest liquid smooth.
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How is liquidsmooth going to be any better than CM when it's built off the CM 10.1 code branch? Did they improve the code and somehow that didn't backflow back to CM?
gyrfalcon said:
Just because something is released for free doesn't mean people don't have a right to complain about it. Ubuntu garnered a ton of complaints when they released the unity interface, and rightfully so.
How is liquidsmooth going to be any better than CM when it's built off the CM 10.1 code branch? Did they improve the code and somehow that didn't backflow back to CM?
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One thing is to complain, another thing is to be disrespectful. Calling CM garage, is straight up being disrespectful. Like in any environment, constructive criticism done respectively will go alot farther name calling and being overall rude.
LoopDoGG79 said:
One thing is to complain, another thing is to be disrespectful. Calling CM garage, is straight up being disrespectful. Like in any environment, constructive criticism done respectively will go alot farther name calling and being overall rude.
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I never called CM garbage, but it's not stable from my experience with it on the S3 and other "supported devices". I did refer to " All the other ROMs" as recompiled junk though. If those developers are hurt I they can not read my posts, just like I won't use their junk.
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Is Cyanogen just not any good if you want a rock solid AOSP type daily driver?
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The answer is yes. I've flashed 10.1 stable and 10.1.2 and had minor bugs with the new features. By far the more stable ''bug less'' is the CM 10.0 stable build. Rocking it since 3 weeks i've even not faced a FC or a bug.
And a personnal note for you, those guys make free content for our community, they are not paid for this and this is not their job so dont be rude with them. Look at sammies release full of bloatware and FC, those guys are paid to make that.
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