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What is special about Cyanogenmod?

Excuse my ignorance, I am new to android. I get that everyone loves them some CM, but what about it makes it special over any other ROM? Thanks.
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It has a ton of extra options/customizations. That's what I like a out it. The rest is....meh..about the same.
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not really true duce cyanogen is different because its not made by any of the cell manufacturers and has all there bloat and customizations removed. it is the closest you can get to a nexux device on a standard android phone.

The most important thing is its the most popular AOSP ROM. So even if you don't run it (which I don't) you have to respect the fact that you can truly own your hardware without any cell phone provider interference. That and its for the community by the community is impressive.

Ah, so it's like ultimate stock, so it doesnt put tweaked ROMs like calkulin's or phantomhacker's out of business then?
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drksilenc said:
not really true duce cyanogen is different because its not made by any of the cell manufacturers and has all there bloat and customizations removed. it is the closest you can get to a nexux device on a standard android phone.
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I know what CM is, ran it for quite some time myself. It's nice and I respect everything about it.
I put it lightly I guess, which is pretty much the same (more of a true android experience that is clear).
As far as daily driver it offers more at customization, options, themes, and mods. No need to get defensive about CM...... Some like it more and some less. >"Personally"< with the way the et4g runs ATM, and the roms we have, I'm not worried about it. If a stable version with working gps, no f/c, and extreme battery drainage ever gets released for this phone , it's definitely worth using. Or at least try it out.
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JoeBruin32 said:
Ah, so it's like ultimate stock, so it doesnt put tweaked ROMs like calkulin's or phantomhacker's out of business then?
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No it does not. It's a personal preference. Definitely worth trying out for sure.
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Agreed, usually the folks that run CM tend to be on the Diva side of things, at least my experience on the OG Evo, but its nice to know that there are high end alternatives to what the carriers provide (CM/MIUI)

its a rom built on the theory of the old warcraft cheat code: make it so

Well,I like the real miui rom
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Cyanogenmod is based off of stock Android. Some Cyanogenmod features:
- Lockscreen Gestures - launch apps & activities from the lock screen
- Phone Goggles - Lets you filter what goes in and out of your phone
- OpenVPN
- Incognito Mode - private browsing
- DSP Manger - Amazing audio compressor & equalizer for great sound
- Theme Support - CM7 comes stock with 2 or 3 themes, and has the T-Mobile Theme Chooser app integrated. You can download theme packages from XDA & Android Market to re-skin your phone. So, instead of having to flash themes you can install them like APKs.
- Its fast and clean - No bloatware, and has great battery life.
Its also very customizable. For instance, you can set the toggles in your status bar to what ever order you would like, and there are a huge amount to choose from. I personally throw up music back/play/forward toggles, brightness, 2g/3g/4g toggle, and so on. It also features multiple lock screen styles to choose from.
Read more here: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/about

^ those are true but none of those are original, you can do most of that without rooting and all of it on a stock root.
I used cm roms for half a year at least on my Evo, compared to stock I would crash every week, I would have to restart my phone every other day because my keyboard would disappear, you have to deal with rom bloatware which is at least a lot lighter than carrier bloatware, and they never included the simple user fixes I wanted like screen res fix so stuff didn't look blurry and pixely or user profiles on common apps.
now I'm on midnight rom (a more stock rom than cm) on E4gT and it's running infinitely better than cm7.1 was on my evo. it's only crashed on me twice in a month, the customization is basically the same as even roms have a standard of what's included now, and the only thing worse is no built in wifi.
the main appeal of CM roms is getting system upgrades before they're released. they've released ICS roms for phones already, i'm waiting for the e4gt rom. besides that, all the people you see praising CM roms are android fanboys

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^ those are true but none of those are original, you can do most of that without rooting and all of it on a stock root.
I used cm roms for half a year at least on my Evo, compared to stock I would crash every week, I would have to restart my phone every other day because my keyboard would disappear, you have to deal with rom bloatware which is at least a lot lighter than carrier bloatware, and they never included the simple user fixes I wanted like screen res fix so stuff didn't look blurry and pixely or user profiles on common apps.
now I'm on midnight rom (a more stock rom than cm) on E4gT and it's running infinitely better than cm7.1 was on my evo. it's only crashed on me twice in a month, the customization is basically the same as even roms have a standard of what's included now, and the only thing worse is no built in wifi.
the main appeal of CM roms is getting system upgrades before they're released. they've released ICS roms for phones already, i'm waiting for the e4gt rom. besides that, all the people you see praising CM roms are android fanboys
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Did you never upgrade your version of CM? Especially if you are running a nightly build, there are likely to be bugs. Run a stable and there is a solid chance you won't ever have issues. This applies to the EVO and any other phone that supports CM7. Call me a fanboy if you'd like, there is obviously reasoning behind my love for Cyanogenmod.

Galaxy Nexus JellyBean ROM Feature Comparison

As most users on XDA, I've got a rooted device that I want to use a custom ROM on, and there are so many choices it makes choosing a ROM very difficult.
And it is all a matter of preference, depending what included features (included Gapps, default launcher, notification options, etc) or what base it is built from (CM10, AOSP, AOKP, etc) everyone has their own preference.
I created this public spreadsheet, but I thought it may be useful for others, and allow others to possibly to keep track of what features are included out-of-the-box on different custom ROMs. It has really taken off since I originally created it.
http://goo.gl/U8a0E
Hopefully this can help others like me who want to quickly know what features they will or won't have with different custom ROMs.
I considered trying to do a forum post on this, but obviously I would have to keep up with updates myself on Post #1 like most stickied reference posts, that's why I thought a public Google Spreadsheet would be more helpful as anyone can update it.
Overall, a lot of this will probably be moot once a stable CM10 is released, but we never really know how long that can take. And we all know there will still be customizations made to it, one I can think of specifically is Paranoid Android.
Thanks everyone who makes updates to the sheet. I would also like to throw out a HUGE thank you to the custom ROM makers giving us stable ROMs that meet our individual needs.
And, as the Google Doc can be viewed by ANYONE, must get permission on google account to edit.
My personal "Must Haves":
- T9 Dialer (avoid having to install separate dialer app)
- Customizable Notification drop down for Additional Toggles (this has replaced the need for Widgetsoid2 since I can have the Flashlight and Wifi AP here.)
- Reboot and Reboot to Recovery in Power Menu (Mostly Reboot as a minimum as I sometimes forget to turn it back on if I Poweroff)
- Battery Percentage in Status Bar (The logo itself is no where near specific enough for my needs, and I now prefer the circle style)
NOVEMBER 24, 2012 UPDATE: Personally I've switched over to Paranoid Android 2.99.3 (beta 3), it doesn't have my personal must haves yet, but I'm sure it will, currently I'd rather have 4.2 and lose a few features, than be running 4.1.2, it is one of the first roms with customizations to be released on AOSP 4.2, so until it is 3.x it could have some bugs.

HwyXingFrog said:
I've tried a few ROMs on my Unlocked GSM Galaxy Nexus and am still trying to find the ROM that has all the features I want. And is the most stable with those features.
I just created this public spreadsheet, mostly for my own use so it is very basic at the moment. But I thought it may be useful for others, and allow others to possibly to keep track of what features are included out-of-the-box on different custom ROMs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AggpxyzXBu--dEZMWnZTUWtMVXBpdHNteW5zTXpRVmc
Hopefully this can help others like me who want to quickly know what features they will or won't have with different custom ROMs.
I considered trying to do a forum post on this, but obviously I would have to keep up with updates myself on Post #1 like most stickied reference posts, that's why I thought a public Google Spreadsheet would be more helpful as anyone can update it.
Like I said, it is very empty right now and is completely open to others who want to make changes to it.
Overall, a lot of this will probably be moot once a stable CM10 is released, but we never really know how long that can take. And we all know there will still be customizations made to it, one I can think of specifically is Paranoid Android, and I haven't even included it on the Google Spreadsheet yet as I still haven't tried it.
I would like to throw out a HUGE thank you to the custom ROM makers giving us stable and fast versions of what CM10 can't do yet, isn't stable enough to use yet, or may never do in some cases.
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This is nice. I have bought gnex seven days ago and tried every JB ROM so far.
Also I noticed that paranoid, like you said ( the only ROM that I am using as a daily driver ) is not on this list.
You really should try his alpha 1.9.1 with included kernel. Well now all kernels work on this ROM. But I think that gnex is the beast already and doesnt need any Custom kernels.
Hey I like Franco kernel and I purchased his app and I am playing a lot with it, but as long as I need decent battery life I will use stock kernel. On that ROM I had only 2% of battery dropped in amazing 6 night hours. I just couldnt believe my eyes.
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dejson said:
This is nice. I have bought gnex seven days ago and tried every JB ROM so far.
Also I noticed that paranoid, like you said ( the only ROM that I am using as a daily driver ) is not on this list.
You really should try his alpha 1.9.1 with included kernel. Well now all kernels work on this ROM. But I think that gnex is the beast already and doesnt need any Custom kernels.
Hey I like Franco kernel and I purchased his app and I am playing a lot with it, but as long as I need decent battery life I will use stock kernel. On that ROM I had only 2% of battery dropped in amazing 6 night hours. I just couldnt believe my eyes.
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Yeah, I was trying to find a good ROM to get me by until CM10 was officially released as "Stable", and I was going to wait until that to try Paranoid Android, especially with all the customization I can do in it.
I may have to give it a try, maybe once I see my spreadsheet fill up with more user input. I'm already seeing a lot of activity on the sheet.

HwyXingFrog said:
Yeah, I was trying to find a good ROM to get me by until CM10 was officially released as "Stable", and I was going to wait until that to try Paranoid Android, especially with all the customization I can do in it.
I may have to give it a try, maybe once I see my spreadsheet fill up with more user input. I'm already seeing a lot of activity on the sheet.
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Great thing, i've just checked the document and cant believe. Excellent and I'm glad to see that there is no problems with paranoid rom so far. I respect the work of all developers, but for me paranoid is the best so far, phablet mode is excellent and original approach.
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Great thing, i've just checked the document and cant believe. Excellent and I'm glad to see that there is no problems with paranoid rom so far. I respect the work of all developers, but for me paranoid is the best so far, phablet mode is excellent and original approach.
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+1

Great idea, love the list. Love the idea of being able to let anyone edit it.
Excellent

ThunderStick said:
Great idea, love the list. Love the idea of being able to let anyone edit it.
Excellent
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Thanks, I assume you added Soft and Chewy.
I'm downloading the newest CM10 and JellyBro to load onto my Nexus quick, hopefully I will get those two filled in completely, then at least I will know where my baseline is for my own personal comparison.
A few people have messed it up a bit and I'm sure some changes got lost, but if I don't leave it wide open, I know a lot of people won't make changes.

So, after all of that, and the spreadsheet getting updated by users pretty nicely, it looks like there is a functional enough CM10 (from the +Google page) v1.8 that is stable enough for me to start using as a daily driver for at least a few days.
I'll be using Gapps-b as I need Picasa sync to be working.

Damn! That's great work, well done! Keeping this up to date will be the hardest part but if you manage it you will help the Galaxy Nexus community a lot! I'll try to help. Keep up the good work.

HwyXingFrog said:
Thanks, I assume you added Soft and Chewy.
I'm downloading the newest CM10 and JellyBro to load onto my Nexus quick, hopefully I will get those two filled in completely, then at least I will know where my baseline is for my own personal comparison.
A few people have messed it up a bit and I'm sure some changes got lost, but if I don't leave it wide open, I know a lot of people won't make changes.
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I would probably leave the battery life comparison off. This is very subjective on any Rom or device.
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ThunderStick said:
I would probably leave the battery life comparison off. This is very subjective on any Rom or device.
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I agree, I didn't put the battery life on there, all roms except the Nightlies like to advertise "Good" battery life anyway.
That's one of the issues with leaving it editable by anyone.

HwyXingFrog said:
That's one of the issues with leaving it editable by anyone.
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You could leave the public version as is, but add a "revised" version (editable only by you) that weeds out any egregious and obvious inaccuracies.

Oops misread.

I started one of these back in the day for the droid Eris. You should be able to leave it public, you can always see and revert changes.
Can we get a column for cdma vs GSM?
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Thanks for sharing man! Im using xenonhd ad my first custom ROM band its fine
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So, overall, I definitely accomplished what I wanted to do with the Google Doc, everyone has been awesome with their updates to it.
But, for myself, the Doc is basically useless as soon as I found CM10 v1.8 on the +Google page, which is basically a very stable nightly (although it isn't), it is exactly what I wanted....
It's very stable, gives me all the features I have as my "Bare Minimum"
- Toggles in notification screen
- Battery Percentage in Status bar
- Reboot options in shutdown menu
I ended up in the exact same state after trying numerous custom roms on my HTC Desire and Motorola Atrix previously, always just ending up with CyanogenMod7.
And I happened to just fall onto the +Google post with v1.8 while compiling the Google Doc. Was about to download 1.3 then 1.8 was posted and I'm LOVING it.
And as long as I stick to CM10, I shouldn't have to wipe my data, I'm tired of doing all my Titanium Restores (as I don't have the paid version).
Again, thanks everyone for updating the Google Doc, and as I've made it public, anyone should be able to update it and keep it updated for other people out there that want to use custom roms. And if anyone ever needs to revert anything that really breaks it, all you have to do is log in with your google account.
I really hope it helps some people find the ROM they want to use for their specific needs. And it would be nice to see more of these for different devices, especially for devices not officially supported by CyanogenMod. I may have to get one started for my Motorola Atrix 4G.

Anyone notice this on both CM official and jelly bro.
There's no Document Viewer app??? it's in stock! I can view pdf, microsoft word, without needing to download 3rd party app.
Show widget before lockscreen seems not working in both CM official and jelly bro.

Great work. Should always be maintained and help users what they really want.
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Bayint Naung said:
Anyone notice this on both CM official and jelly bro.
There's no Document Viewer app??? it's in stock! I can view pdf, microsoft word, without needing to download 3rd party app.
Show widget before lockscreen seems not working in both CM official and jelly bro.
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It may be in stock, but is not in AOSP.
Plenty of apps on the market for it, which is how we justify not adding one.

adrynalyne said:
It may be in stock, but is not in AOSP.
Plenty of apps on the market for it, which is how we justify not adding one.
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Speaking of that, does anyone know what document viewer the stock Nexus uses, and if there is an Play App, or APK I can install on CM10 that is the same.
I have Documents to Go, but I'm wondering what the Stock nexus one is.
I've added this to the spreadsheet as CM10 not having one, so if we know which app the Stock has I can put that on the spreadsheet.
Thanks.

[ROM REQ] Looking for someone to add Paranoid Settings to AOKP

I sincerely apologize if this is not posted in the correct location or if such a request is out of line. The only reason I am posting about this is because I believe that there would be a fair amount of people who would be interested.
I've installed many ROMs since I got my Galaxy Nexus on release day last year, but I have always come back to AOKP because every other ROM I've installed was missing at least one feature of AOKP that I use. Recently however I started playing with DPI settings and I'm in love with 240. I like the tablet layout of most apps, but certain ones, like the phone app look a little strange. Also, some apps, like the Navigon navigation app are next to impossible to use at this DPI. Naturally, I immediately flashed Paranoid Android so that I could get the per-app control of DPI. That lasted all of about 10 minutes, because I immediately noticed it was missing far too many features.
So basically I'm looking to see if there's a dev out there who can kang the Paranoid Settings to AOKP. Maybe if there's enough interest from other people who would like this I could set up a pool for donations. I know there's a couple ROMs floating around that are AOKP based Paranoid rather than CM based, but they are for other devices.
Eventually I'm going to try to do this myself if no one else is willing/able, however between being in school full time and my two jobs I probably wouldn't be able to start teaching myself until about May. Plus, my laptop is about 6 years old and I'm afraid it will be an extremely slow process.

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This!
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So far it seems like I've found three ROMs for other devices that combine PA and AOKP. King Kang for the Galaxy Note (which I think is still on ICS), PACman mostly on Sony devices as far as I could tell (PA/AOKP/CM), and Disarmed Toaster on some HTC phones. It's definitely possible and I imagine it would be quite popular...we just need to get a dev with a GNex to see the benefits!

Why don't you go to the AOKP thread and request the dev do so? Better to post there than here anyway. Don't get your hopes up though
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jimmyhook said:
Why don't you go to the AOKP thread and request the dev do so? Better to post there than here anyway. Don't get your hopes up though
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As far as I know they're still not interested in hearing feature requests unfortunately.
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I'm sure CM will become more of a beast with each update, and PA uses it as its base. Already highly customizable. I'm not even sure what the benefit of using AOKP as a base would be.
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Love this idea I thought about something similar 2 weeks ago when I flashed CNA on my Gnex. I know there to different development teams but I would love to see a Code Name Paranoid ROM that ROM would kick azz but that just opinion but +1 to this idea
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jimmyhook said:
I'm sure CM will become more of a beast with each update, and PA uses it as its base. Already highly customizable. I'm not even sure what the benefit of using AOKP as a base would be.
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The benefit of using AOKP as a base would be that there are a lot of very useful features in AOKP that aren't in CM.
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I thought AOKP already had a tablet mode? But I haven't wanted to leave PA yet.

slow88lx said:
I thought AOKP already had a tablet mode? But I haven't wanted to leave PA yet.
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It does. PA isn't about tablet mode, its about being able to control each app individually.
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slow88lx said:
I thought AOKP already had a tablet mode? But I haven't wanted to leave PA yet.
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no, its has build.prop dpi and a sysUI hack.
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The benefit of using AOKP as a base would be that there are a lot of very useful features in AOKP that aren't in CM. 2
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honestly, i think people are not fair with cyanogenmod. cm is a great rom and has tons of features. yes you cant color your buttons pink other than using theming engine, but my goodness is that really such a strongpoint? toys will sure come aswell.
i have seen these mixups btw, paranoid + cm + aokp. it pains me. i wont interfere but man, this is crazy. one rom i have seen has four toggle implementations, two from cm, one from us, one from aokp, it mixes paprefs with aokps dpi changer and a non-standard build.prop dpi, etc. its a complete mess and sometimes i wish i wish they'd just kang hybrid engine without bringing our name into it lol. :silly:
the reason its not easily ported to other roms is that its complicated. its literally spanning all over android, framework, core, policy, res, graphics, parts of sysUI rewritten from scratch, androids layout definitions were changed, apps had to be adjusted - and then the hybrid engine itself of course. its not a simple "git fetch" and you got it, it grew over half a year, hundreds of commits, reverts and pushes.
what really matters is what's more important to you. a pink button or a completely renewed phone with functions it never had before. you know, we're developers, too. you might aswell request someone should bring over missing features to cm/pa, its getting a little bit discouraging to see the focus in all devcommunities is often on kanging instead of developing.

molesarecoming said:
honestly, i think people are not fair with cyanogenmod. cm is a great rom and has tons of features. yes you cant color your buttons pink other than using theming engine, but my goodness is that really such a strongpoint? toys will sure come aswell.
i have seen these mixups btw, paranoid + cm + aokp. it pains me. i wont interfere but man, this is crazy. one rom i have seen has four toggle implementations, two from cm, one from us, one from aokp, it mixes paprefs with aokps dpi changer and a non-standard build.prop dpi, etc. its a complete mess and sometimes i wish i wish they'd just kang hybrid engine without bringing our name into it lol. :silly:
the reason its not easily ported to other roms is that its complicated. its literally spanning all over android, framework, core, policy, res, graphics, parts of sysUI rewritten from scratch, androids layout definitions were changed, apps had to be adjusted - and then the hybrid engine itself of course. its not a simple "git fetch" and you got it, it grew over half a year, hundreds of commits, reverts and pushes.
what really matters is what's more important to you. a pink button or a completely renewed phone with functions it never had before. you know, we're developers, too. you might aswell request someone should bring over missing features to cm/pa, its getting a little bit discouraging to see the focus in all devcommunities is often on kanging instead of developing.
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VERY well said.

molesarecoming said:
honestly, i think people are not fair with cyanogenmod. cm is a great rom and has tons of features. yes you cant color your buttons pink other than using theming engine, but my goodness is that really such a strongpoint? toys will sure come aswell.
i have seen these mixups btw, paranoid + cm + aokp. it pains me. i wont interfere but man, this is crazy. one rom i have seen has four toggle implementations, two from cm, one from us, one from aokp, it mixes paprefs with aokps dpi changer and a non-standard build.prop dpi, etc. its a complete mess and sometimes i wish i wish they'd just kang hybrid engine without bringing our name into it lol. :silly:
the reason its not easily ported to other roms is that its complicated. its literally spanning all over android, framework, core, policy, res, graphics, parts of sysUI rewritten from scratch, androids layout definitions were changed, apps had to be adjusted - and then the hybrid engine itself of course. its not a simple "git fetch" and you got it, it grew over half a year, hundreds of commits, reverts and pushes.
what really matters is what's more important to you. a pink button or a completely renewed phone with functions it never had before. you know, we're developers, too. you might aswell request someone should bring over missing features to cm/pa, its getting a little bit discouraging to see the focus in all devcommunities is often on kanging instead of developing.
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Thank you for chiming in!
I would be glad to put the little extra effort into using ZipThemer to change the NavBar buttons/colors in exchange for having ParanoidPreferences. CM however is missing a lot of things that I haven't been able to find any other way of accomplishing other than using a ROM with the features built in. Let me provide thorough specifics. I don't know how familiar you are with AOKP Rom Control, and obviously this is all personal to me, so feel free to take this with a grain of salt. There's nothing in General UI, Lockscreen, Power Menu, Clock, Signal, Sound, Weather, Vibrations, or Performance that I use. The Navigation Bar section however is a lot better. Not because of color/icon selection but because of the longpress settings and because of the NavBar Ring Targets. Neither of those are things I could find a way to replicate in CM/PA, and both have proven to be extremely useful. Also, I like the ability to set NavBar height separate from status bar DPI...this may have been in PA but I missed it. In terms of Battery; I use the battery bar, and hide the icon in the status bar. I know there's an app with similar functionality, however it doesn't work the same. As far as I could tell Toggles were pretty much the same. For LED, I don't use any of the settings other than being able to have the LED flash with the screen on. This, to me, is a necessity.
I agree 100% that the PA/AOKP/CM combinations are a bit ridiculous. (If you notice in the OP, I was looking for someone to add ParanoidPreferences into AOKP, not combine the ROMs). If I had the time/ability to do it myself, I would remove the DPI, tablet mode, and dual panel options from ROM control and just add ParanoidPreferences.
As I said, I would gladly give up some "convenience" features of AOKP, but some of the actual functionality I can't do without at this point. I did post a couple feature requests in the PA forum, but I'm very hesitant to do so. You have done amazing work, and I always feel that by requesting more features I would be minimizing all the hard work the devs have done.
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I don't know if this will ever happen, but I agree.. I LOVE aokp and the fact that it has basic tablet mode, but I had to stop using it because a holistic "tablet button" isn't quite usable for me.
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You said cm is missing a lot of things, but in the midst of your lengthy paragraph was only two or three small tweaks. No ROM can make everyone one hundred percent happy, but it sounds like PA has 99 percent of what you need.... am I missing something?
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jimmyhook said:
You said cm is missing a lot of things, but in the midst of your lengthy paragraph was only two or three small tweaks. No ROM can make everyone one hundred percent happy, but it sounds like PA has 99 percent of what you need.... am I missing something?
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I don't recall saying CM is missing a lot of things, but if I did than I apologize. In the OP at least I said this:
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I have always come back to AOKP because every other ROM I've installed was missing at least one feature of AOKP that I use.
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It's not about the amount of features, it's about weighing the importance of features. I guess in my mind I thought it would be easier to add ParanoidPreferences to AOKP rather than the other way around. Mostly, as I said, because the PA developers are busy with their own thing and don't need a bunch of people asking for new features. If those couple features could be added to PA that would be much preferred.

CyanogenPure?

I love CyanogenMod, I really do. It is constantly improving and the devs working on it obviously work very hard to keep things running smoothly. However, with a codebase this large, constant improvements inevitably leads to a fairly consistent stream of new bugs amidst the improvements. I understand that nightlies are not intended to be used as daily drivers, although usually they are stable enough for most here at XDA.
Acknowledging all of this: I can't help but wish on some days that I could take the excellent skills/care/devotion of the CyanogenMod team and have them devote a fraction of their work to create a pure, optimized AOSP ROM. No mods, no community apps, and (hopefully) no bugs. This would be an incredible stop-gap between the initial build of a new CM nightlie (say, CM11) and the inevitable stable release.
This is NOT a statement against the added mods/apps to CyanogenMod (File Manager, Apollo, DSP Manager, etc.), I am very much of the opinion that these additions are beneficial, even necessary to the growth of CyanogenMod.
I do not expect this to happen, and I especially do not expect them to go back through CM10 and line-by-line strip all of their adjustments/additions. I understand that they are all very busy at work to keep us happy, and I appreciate that. Think of this as wishful thinking from a big fan.
Am I alone in this opinion?

it is called an AOSP rom. in this case vanilla. get a nexus device for that

Obviously, but I think you're missing my point...or you didn't read my post.

ohfoxxxycole said:
create a pure, optimized AOSP ROM. No mods, no community apps, and (hopefully) no bugs.
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A vanilla android rom with a custom kernel
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A vanilla android rom with a custom kernel
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Yes, but done by devs that know what they're doing.

Every single dev here knows what they are doing. Plus aosp is easy to compile for any device
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I don't see any after a quick search. I've used pure vanilla ROMs on my evo/evo3d and they were pretty terrible. I just assumed, by prior experience and lack of vanilla roms here, that they were tricky.

no, thats just because AOSP roms lack features that people crave from CM or AOKP

Alright, so we're back to my initial post now.

In other words an aosp pure android rom is not people look forward to. Cm10 stable rom is there and probably with like one minor bug or two.
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I know how you feel; I wish they would release a stable ROM for those that prefer stability over speed/features

EXACTLY. i love how hard the devs work to improve android and add features but until its possible to get a stable rom with these features I'd prefer simple, pure vanilla with all work going towards stability. Maybe I'll start on that one day
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ohfoxxxycole said:
EXACTLY. i love how hard the devs work to improve android and add features but until its possible to get a stable rom with these features I'd prefer simple, pure vanilla with all work going towards stability. Maybe I'll start on that one day
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You can't ask for optimization with stability. The nightlies are there because that's what they're trying to achieve, if it's not stable enough for you - don't use it. Go back to TW. That's the closest to pure stable for this device you're going to get. There are -always- bugs, even in the most fine tuned software, because it's all about what the user puts on their devices and how it interacts with the system.
Plus, not too long ago CM released the CM10 Milestone 2. It's stable enough for daily use. Give that a shot. If it's not to your liking, pull CM's device tree into a freshly synced repo of AOSP and compile it. See how easy it is to get it working.

There are -always- bugs, even in the most fine tuned software, because it's all about what the user puts on their devices and how it interacts with the system.
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this is true, but i'd be using this with mostly stock software + social network feeds and games only
the milestones are a great idea, and probably the closest thing im going to get to this, but they are still snapshots of mostly stable aosp with many many tweaks to keep modifications that i may or may not use stable. not exactly ideal, but thanks for the suggestion. i'll probably stick with the newest m build when it is ready.
im not asking for cms device tree compiled as it is, or anything at all. im just hoping that before or adjacent to cm11 getting going with mods and tweaks that they will release builds tailored to vanilla and nothing else, concentrating only on bugs before adding things and testing them and adding things and breaking things and testing them and so on and so forth. i feel im not communicating this efficiently and im sorry

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You can't ask for optimization with stability. The nightlies are there because that's what they're trying to achieve, if it's not stable enough for you - don't use it. Go back to TW. That's the closest to pure stable for this device you're going to get. There are -always- bugs, even in the most fine tuned software, because it's all about what the user puts on their devices and how it interacts with the system.
Plus, not too long ago CM released the CM10 Milestone 2. It's stable enough for daily use. Give that a shot. If it's not to your liking, pull CM's device tree into a freshly synced repo of AOSP and compile it. See how easy it is to get it working.
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Does the bottom mic work on M2? What about the data drops that constantly happen? Does it transition well from LTE to 3G, vice versa?
And these are serious questions, I'm not trying to be a [email protected] at all.
I have a 20 month old baby girl so I do a lot of video recording, so the bottom mic is important to me since the top one doesn't pick anything up unless you're basically speaking directly into it. I do a lot of business through my phone, so a reliable data connection is obviously very important too. I've had BB6 on my phone for about a week now, and I absolutely love it...with these two exceptions. It seems they're both problems with all AOSP ROMs. If they get fixed sooner rather than later, there will be zero reason to have TW ROM for me.
EDIT: And GPS seems to take quite a bit longer to lock on compared to TW.

hayzooos said:
Does the bottom mic work on M2? What about the data drops that constantly happen? Does it transition well from LTE to 3G, vice versa?
And these are serious questions, I'm not trying to be a [email protected] at all.
I have a 20 month old baby girl so I do a lot of video recording, so the bottom mic is important to me since the top one doesn't pick anything up unless you're basically speaking directly into it. I do a lot of business through my phone, so a reliable data connection is obviously very important too. I've had BB6 on my phone for about a week now, and I absolutely love it...with these two exceptions. It seems they're both problems with all AOSP ROMs. If they get fixed sooner rather than later, there will be zero reason to have TW ROM for me.
EDIT: And GPS seems to take quite a bit longer to lock on compared to TW.
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I was using m2 for quite a while before I switched over to bb6. In my time playing with m2 I found that video recording was fine and data connectivity took about 10 seconds longer on a reboot. Other than that I've experienced no data drops.
To add to this, YMMV. I'm not sure if my phone is different somehow but I've never had any of these problems that people describe with data drops at random.
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Also, as far as lte/3g hand off goes, I'm unable to test as I'm not in an lte area. As for GPS, it takes about 7 seconds to lock on in a room with no windows. Tested on slimbean, so again YMMV
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Just try looking into building aosp from source its really not that hard it will just take some time. You could even use the device tree for d2spr from cm so you really will just be using pure stock
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I don't see any after a quick search. I've used pure vanilla ROMs on my evo/evo3d and they were pretty terrible. I just assumed, by prior experience and lack of vanilla roms here, that they were tricky.
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You're clearly smoking some good crack. AOSP ROMs for the E3D are awesome right now.

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[Q] Liquidsmooth 4.2.2 d2spr 3G Slow Bad Reception

I am on the 4.2.2 [OFFICIAL] LiquidSmooth v2.2 - d2spr ROM, and although I really do love many things about it (Very efficient, non glitchy, extremely smooth and very good performance), the reception on 3G is not so good for some reason / bordering on non-functional. Wifi, I believe, is also a bit slower than my previous ROM, but not by that much. I have a Sprint Galaxy S3 that is on Verizon's Page Plus service (3G only, which works fine for me as I am not a heavy net user on the road). I previously had the new JB Goodness Reborn ROM (TW) for Sprint and it worked really well. My reception on 3G was typically always 5 bars and was very responsive and fast on both 3G and wifi. On the Liquidsmooth, the 3G seems to be perpetually at 1 to 2 bars near my house (mostly 1) and 3 at most in the thick of the city (most likely right by a tower), and I do not live that far away from the city at all. A very close suburb, in fact. I have taken it in smaller towns and it is even worse. Extremely slow. It's quite slow near where I live, but extremely slow anywhere out of the city to any degree, which was not the case with JB Goodness Reborn (TW). I even switched ROMs back and forth in the more rural areas, and noticed my Reborn ROM was loading webpages just fine, while the Liquidsmooth was struggling to load a basic page.
I am running a KT747 kernel for both the liquidsmooth ROM and the Goodness Reborn ROM. I was running the included Lean kernel before on the Liquidsmooth, and noticed it was having 3G reception problems as well, so I don't think its the kernel.
And yes, I am aware that AOSP Roms often display the data reception only for the bars as compared to TW with can display both the data reception and voice reception combined in one, but I can tell the speed is ridiculously slower at times on the Liquidsmooth, whereas it is great on the JB Goodness Reborn. Takes forever for a page to load. On top of that, in the middle of the city, the GPS loses data connection, whereas with the Reborn Rom, the connection is rock solid and never fails.. Voice typing / search is also non-functional on the Liquidsmooth, which I do understand is just on a new build, so this does not bother me as much. It would be nice if it would work, but I do understand. I do really like the Liquidsmooth ROM, and its quite a bit better on my battery, but the slowness of the 3G often forces me revert back to the JB Goodness Reborn (especially when I have to use GPS). I have tried to use Hidden Menu apk to check out the 3G settings, but I do not believe it works on this ROM. If anyone has any suggestions or possible solutions, I would be most appreciative. And yes, I would post this to the Official forum, but it is locked and that prevents me from posting any feedback or receiving any possible solutions directly. Thank you for any suggestions in advance.

The Voice works if you update the Google now app. As a slow connection, I would just switch back to your other ROM.
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WindroidApps said:
The Voice works if you update the Google now app. As a slow connection, I would just switch back to your other ROM.
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That's good to know about the voice with Google now. I just know when I hit voice on the keyboard, it shuts down. Have you noticed your reception / connection speed decrease precipitously with Liquidsmooth 4.2.2 as well? I have read a few posts about how to increase data speeds and tried a few of their possible suggestions with no luck. It's a pity the thread is locked for Liquidsmooth. I am sure I am not the only person having this issue.
Out of curiosity, I have seem many designations besides the one for Sprint phones.. Like RC9, RC 2.2, a deviant ROM. Would one of these work better on the connection issues? Also, I assume I am using the right ROM, as my phone is Sprint...? But I am running on a verizon network, but that never seemed to be an issue with the other JB Goodness Reborn ROM, which was made for Sprint S3.

DO NOT FLASH ROMS THAT ARE NOT SPRINT. You could reallllly mess up your phone!!! I would recommend trying out aokp. It's really good. Link?
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WindroidApps said:
DO NOT FLASH ROMS THAT ARE NOT SPRINT. You could reallllly mess up your phone!!! I would recommend trying out aokp. It's really good. Link?
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A link would be great. Thanks. I was considering other Roms as well like the Paranoid ROM or super nexus ROM. Both are jb 4.2.2 compared to my previous ROM that was 4.12 and mb1 Goodness reborn. I have never tried an AOKP ROM. I have been mostly looking for performance and sound. are AOKP Roms compatible with ac!d audio or other such apps for sound? What would you characterize as the difference between AOSP and AOKP? Thanks.

Not a whole lot. Both clean Google roms, I will link the aokp rom in the next post.
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Here's the link to aokp. Pure AWESOME NESS.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29387442
Also check out the peoples rom. I get great batt life on it.
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I made a thread recently about me having worse signal on AOSP roms vs TW roms, now although that isn't your issue specifically, I got a few posts on that thread on how to increase data speeds
Here's the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2237516
One method involves messing with your build.prop, and the other involves another system file, both are dangerous so make sure you read my thread entirely on words of caution, and then go ahead and see if you feel comfortable tweaking your system files.

While that's handy, I think he just wants a simple solution. Aokp is a lot like smooth. Anyways, dreamer, you can message me anytime if you need more help.
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sevenpioverthree said:
I made a thread recently about me having worse signal on AOSP roms vs TW roms, now although that isn't your issue specifically, I got a few posts on that thread on how to increase data speeds
Here's the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2237516
One method involves messing with your build.prop, and the other involves another system file, both are dangerous so make sure you read my thread entirely on words of caution, and then go ahead and see if you feel comfortable tweaking your system files.
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I have actually tried some build.prop tweaks, but they did not work for me either. I read your post.. did you actually find something that worked? The last entry I read stated that all their suggestions still did not help your connection speed issues with AOSP. I am currently experimenting with DeviantXone ROM 1.5. So far it seems to be faster than the Liquidsmooth Official, but I have not taken it on the road yet and it only shows 1-2 bars as well. I may try to AOKP ROM. Do you know if Ac!d Audio is compatible with AOKP? I really do like those audio apps. Thanks.

I could build you aokp with acid if you can't get it stock.
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WindroidApps said:
While that's handy, I think he just wants a simple solution. Aokp is a lot like smooth.
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Theres really no "simple" soltuion, especially when it comes to increasing data speeds. The "smooth" feel of the rom, or how fast it runs, is for the most part independent of data speeds.
AOSP will inherently never be as good as TW on this phone, mainly being that the S3 wasnt built to run on AOSP. Thats why you get issues like these on non-Nexus/Google phones because of the simple fact that you can only approach 100% functionality since you are building for an unsupported device

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I could build you aokp with acid if you can't get it stock.
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I might hit you up on that if the versions I have of acid audio are not functional on the aokp link you provided. Sent you a pm with a link of the best sounding versions I have found so far.

CNexus said:
Theres really no "simple" soltuion, especially when it comes to increasing data speeds. The "smooth" feel of the rom, or how fast it runs, is for the most part independent of data speeds.
AOSP will inherently never be as good as TW on this phone, mainly being that the S3 wasnt built to run on AOSP. Thats why you get issues like these on non-Nexus/Google phones because of the simple fact that you can only approach 100% functionality since you are building for an unsupported device
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An interesting observation... How, in your opinion will an AOKP ROM compare to a TW ROM? Any suggestions of very fast,well performing TW ROMs? I do want to try AOKP and do have a very good TW MB1 ROM, but I am interested in finding the most functional, best performing ROM with this device.. Of course, based on how i use it, as i understand one person's favorite ROM will not be a favorite for someone else who uses it in a different way. Although, it may seem like heresy to some, i am more interested in speed, functionality, and audio quality, as compared to battery efficiency.

dreamer609 said:
An interesting observation... How, in your opinion will an AOKP ROM compare to a TW ROM? Any suggestions of very fast,well performing TW ROMs? I do want to try AOKP and do have a very good TW MB1 ROM, but I am interested in finding the most functional, best performing ROM with this device.. Of course, based on how i use it, as i understand one person's favorite ROM will not be a favorite for someone else who uses it in a different way. Although, it may seem like heresy to some, i am more interested in speed, functionality, and audio quality, as compared to battery efficiency.
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So you're more interested in features than battery life if I understand correctly? And I personally have never run AOKP on any of my devices, just never really grabbed my attention
For the best and "fastest" TW rom, i would recommend grabbing either TPR or MOAR (because theyre the most used custom stock roms, so have already been modified for performance), then stripping down everything you dont need. As in apps, widgets, themes, skins, etc. All of that. Flashing CrossBreeder and using Greenify effectively can also help keep the device from lagging, there are also build.prop edits to increase audio quality, and things like Ac!d, BeatsAudio, XLoud to improve it too
Just look around for interesting mods and flash em' (making sure that they are either for all android devices or for the Sprint S3 specifically, no international S3 mods unless you want a brick), because this way you'll tailor the rom to your liking and your usage, then just make a backup and you can go flash anything else to test run and maybe check out the features in other roms as well