Develop Bugs

iPhone OS 4.0 does (limited) multitasking - how embarrassing for Microsoft!

Well, the headline says it all.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/
While Apple's implementation does not even come close to something like webOS, it's at least something.
Of course, with apps like AppSwipe on Android or TaskFacade on WM, we've had this forever.
But who's the only one left who doesn't have it? I think this is just embarrassing for Microsoft.
And that along with WP7's not-so-revolutionary UI, that wastes lots of space and doesn't include notifications handling like Android or webOS...
...sorry, but I hope WP7 fails miserably. That's what Microsoft deserve.
And by the way, Apple copied an Android developer!
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

If I read Engadget correctly, that's not real multitasking. They provide seven (?) system services that applications can use, like Audio etc. Which is definitely better than no multitasking (and for many practical intents and purposes may be better than real multitasking), but still...

Still better than WP7, though.
And as I said, it doesn't come close to webOS or Android, or even WM.
Those are still better at multitasking.
Nevertheless, I think this is embarrassing.

EDIT: Not sure yet.

Sethos II said:
Still better than WP7, though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No doubt about it. In terms of overall device performance it may be better than Android or WM, actually, even though limiting for certain applications.

I think I like how Apple did it. Looks like a pretty good compromise to me.

It's not bad, actually. But Android hasn't failed on me so far, thus I still prefer the full multitasking.
OK, two more announcements that I find quite embarrassing for Microsoft:
Multiple Exchange accounts
A gaming network for iPhone gamers.
They just blew away two of the most important (and only?) advantages of WP7, PLUS they even do something that WP7 doesn't: limited multitasking.
I don't know, but... This is sad
Microsoft have had it all in their hands for ten years and now they can't come up with something even remotely competitive?
This is sad, IMO.

Actually I got a question. Does windows mobile allow multiple exchange accounts? I was surprised to see that in the Apple conference.

No, Windows Mobile does not.
Windows Phone 7 will allow it.

Yeah I just read this post. They are going all out to try to head off WP7 before it even comes out. Microsoft better get busy on getting all the drawbacks of WP7 in line.

I laughed when they announced Apple iBox Live. Maybe Microsoft should have kept that one under wraps.

This was a sweeping swipe at both Microsoft and Google.
Great! You may love or hat Apple, but this was great.
Anyway, it's still not competitive to Android. Still misses notification handling and widgets, which make Android nicer to use.
At least that makes me happy, cause my Nexus will definitely NOT be outdated in July.

I'll reserve my final judgment till they announce the new hardware specs. They still don't offer good codec support, itunes is still a crime against humanity, and I haven't seen a new way to handle notifications.

The iPhone 4.0 multitasking seems to be really similar to the implementation in WP7.

WhyBe said:
The iPhone 4.0 multitasking seems to be really similar to the implementation in WP7.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No, it's better. In WP7, developers can't use those background services (e.g. music).

Sethos II said:
No, it's better. In WP7, developers can't use those background services (e.g. music).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Correct you are currently the only thing 3rd party apps can do right now is push notifications. No services running in the background period.

7 limited APIs. This is the direction I expect(ed) Windows Phone to take.
Windows has the push notifications, the instant-resume apps, and music APIs that let apps plug into Zune and play music in the background... but Apple has covered the few scenarios most requested on XDA i.e. location tracking, task completion, 3rd party music, and VOIP.
Microsoft HAS to get these done or Phone 7 will be an inferior OS. Now I know iPhone started weak, watched the game, and add features after a few years, and Windows is starting new. Microsoft doesn't have the time though.. here and now, iPhone will have both data detection and copy paste while MS is catching up.
Also, Apple will make a crapton of money off iAd. Good luck Microsoft, I sort of believe in you

It's what WP7 was meant to have but didn't get in time. Third party services won't run on the iPhone either. The OS will provide services that will perform some background tasks for applications.

Sethos II said:
...sorry, but I hope WP7 fails miserably. That's what Microsoft deserve.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't agree. Stepping up to "take accountability" when it's so risky to start new is something I can applaud. They're just so slowww

I really really hope this helps Microsoft wake up. They still have some time, maybe they will fix the broken things.... I hope.
P.S. hahaha "iBox Live" I love it

Market place apps suck?

Is it just me or are the apps in the WP7 market place really ****ty?
I am still trying to figure out whether to go Android or WP7 so i started checking out the market place. Well, my 1st impression is that there is nothing worth it, and when there is they are plain simple without any worth functionality or add-on.

I agree and posted similar on another thread. Really hope they get better very soon

What?
First of all, the market isn't open to the (general) public yet - there's well over 1,000 apps going through the curation process that aren't actually posted yet.
Of what's there right now, you have tons of desirable applications present such as Slacker Radio, IMDB, Shazam, Foursquare, Twitter, etc.
Stop hunting for things to complain about.

What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.

kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i think you need to be a bit patient with WP7. It will all fall into place (hopefully).
Apps will come, let WP7 release first.

kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LOL, maybe compare apples to apples
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

kazamaza said:
Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Start naming apps.

When you've actually TRIED the applications let us know. Screenshots and text descriptions do not an application make. Unless your idevice runs WP7 software already then of course you are correct.

The Harvest is up on marketplace now and that looks sweet.

I thinly before just going hay arnt the apps crap you should look at Android marker and itunes and ask yourself what here is any better that wp7 doesn't have or will have within a very small amount of time. I mean its easy to just go oh there so much rubbish but really how many sound bored fart machines and fake beers do you wan?

I just did a quick counted and there are 532 Apps. Not sure what happed on Zune it is only showing 173 now??
More then I expected considering the phone is not launched yet.

Netflix is up, sprint needs to hurry with a wp7 device the epic is pissing my off

I love how quantity = quality

Well, considering Microsoft said that it will LAUNCH with a thousand + apps already in the market. So now we have to know the policies and regulations one's app must meet to get into the market, this is usually how you can tell if the majority of the apps are garbage, or not... Just like if you can tell, the Facebook app on iPhone is better than the Facebook app on Android. The games on iPhone look and feel nicer, and they tend to fail less often. The stricter the rules are, the more polished they come out, at least that is how I look at it.

I'm just glad that companies like netflix, twitter, ebay etc have official apps for WP7. Having those companies back WP7 is a big deal even if Microsoft had to throw some money their way to do it.

kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
were you honestly expecting WP7 to have 200,000 apps on it's release? And how can you compare a brand new, unlaunched platform to iOS, which has been in dev hands for years?
There are applications still in development, don't criticize until the marketplace catches steam. Also theres applications that Android and Iphone can only dream of such as Cocktail Flow, just look to see.

krjcook said:
were you honestly expecting WP7 to have 200,000 apps on it's release? And how can you compare a brand new, unlaunched platform to iOS, which has been in dev hands for years?
There are applications still in development, don't criticize until the marketplace catches steam. Also theres applications that Android and Iphone can only dream of such as Cocktail Flow, just look to see.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cool application...this is the right link I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qghf4e2n0Yc

ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.

kazamaza said:
ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I believe there's NewsRoom, which is an awesome RSS app on Android. Also Google Voice! Another cool app on the way is Super Private Conversation aka SPC. This app is a life saver on my G1.

kazamaza said:
ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Me to, Here is a nice article on where windows is heading, And phone sync to your car will be a breeze.
Today at the SAE Convergence 2010 Conference and Exhibition, Microsoft Corp. announced the availability of Windows Embedded Automotive 7 to select car makers and suppliers in the automotive industry.
http://electric-vehicles-cars-bikes.blogspot.com/2010/10/windows-embedded-automotive-v7.html

Verizon HTC Trophy Release Thread

{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Well guys its here finally released
http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/trophy/
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5635
HTC Trophy is a global Windows Phone 7 device for Verizon Wireless. It has a 1GHz processor, 3.8" WVGA display, 5MP Autofocus camera with LED flash, 720p video recording, 16GB of on-board memory, 576MB RAM / 512MB ROM , FM Radio, and will support DLNA.
After months of delays, false launch dates, and executive noncommittals, the HTC Trophy is finally now available for online order from Verizon Wireless for $150 with 2-year agreement, after $50 mail-in rebate. Verizon is also offering free overnight shipping so you can get your Trophy stat.
We have also finally learned the final details of the free Xbox 360 game deal. Trophy owners will need to go to www.freexboxgamenow.com and enter a code that’s on your phone packaging. You will then choose from three games (Halo:Reach, Kinect Sports or Lode Runner), and the game will be shipped out in “6 to 8 weeks”. Lame.
With the release of the HTC Trophy on Verizon, Windows Phone 7 is now on all four of the major wireless carriers in the United States.
http://wmpoweruser.com/award-yourself-with-the-verizon-trophy-–-available-now/
i already ordered mines should be getting it tomorrow

And it was sold out in most areas by 9:30-11am....try to get one now !

I got one - great device! Love the form factor.

OMG why so expensive?! amazon.de has it for 177 eur!!!

got mines today i LOVE it...great os and its only the beginning i just wish that u could copy and paste files via usb mass storage mode AND zune syncing and u can download mp3's through the web browser, and add/delete files without needing to hook it up to a computer but so far i love it
ill wait for mango for the custom ringtones and everything else the facebook app is nice they just need to add a few more feature like the ability to tag people to check in spots and the ability to use the camera to take a pic at the check in locations like the android app does
but i really love this os. now i gotta find some fun games and other coo apps

Love it thus far! Makes my Omnia II look like a brick. Some great free apps in Marketplace. I would bet from most folks here. Thanks for the cool apps! I like the level, compass, altimeter, foursquare, endomondo, DB meter, price scanner, apps. No Song ID app though? Is there a list of top rated Wp7 apps you guys use?
Question for the newbie WP7 user - is there a good read/thread on Roms, unlocking, the WP7? I have been adding ROMS since 6.0 so looking forward to tweaking the VZW Trophy.

ColoTouch said:
Love it thus far! Makes my Omnia II look like a brick. Some great free apps in Marketplace. I would bet from most folks here. Thanks for the cool apps! I like the level, compass, altimeter, foursquare, endomondo, DB meter, price scanner, apps. No Song ID app though? Is there a list of top rated Wp7 apps you guys use?
Question for the newbie WP7 user - is there a good read/thread on Roms, unlocking, the WP7? I have been adding ROMS since 6.0 so looking forward to tweaking the VZW Trophy.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
sad answer...
no roms - I think what people need to realize the goal of a rom was to make the lives of windows users far easier to which was limited by OEMs. In many ways, the wp7 product, save from elevated privileges, is a fantastic product as it stands. Custom roms will be available in time but not yet

Planned on getting one today. I called my local Verizon store and they informed me it was special order only. Not going to have it in stock at store locations. That really sucks.

How about unlolcking?
I fine with no custom ROMs, that's not something I really ever done. However, I'd love to unlock the device so that I can sideload apps. The main one I'd love to have would be the Navigon Select GPS app.
I understand I can developer unlock the device, but I was wondering if there is any other way?
I spent several hours trying to unlock with Chevron, and no luck. From what I understand, Chevron won't work with NoDo update. The only software available for the device has NoDo update installed already (burnt in ROM, I guess, so I haven't tried to resetting/formatting the device). Since we can't go back to 7004 WP7 release (when Chevron still worked), I assume Chevron is a no-go on NoDo?

Gadgetman, you are correct. Devices that don't have pre-NoDo ROMs available cannot be unlocked. There's an ongoing project here in the Development and Hacking forum where people are trying to jailbreak NoDo, but it's very far from a real unlock.
Sorry for bad news.

I'm pretty disappointed that Microsoft made such overtures to the homebrew/sideloading community, but it all appears to have been a hollow gesture.
I actually passed on the Chevron unlock, thinking that at some point this year, an officially supported mechanism would be made available (other than paying $100/year for a developer license). And now, due to an unfortunate sequence of events, I can't restore to pre-NoDo, so my phone is permanently locked.

I ordered mine the very day it came out, I love it; best phone I ever had. Can't wait for Mango.

MS Store had it for 0.01 with a 2 year contract... and you get 4000 xbox live points and 20 or 40.00 off MS Office 2010... crazy deals and if you get the free xbox game more freebies. I got my Xbox game already, just came today.

redmatt said:
MS Store had it for 0.01 with a 2 year contract... and you get 4000 xbox live points and 20 or 40.00 off MS Office 2010... crazy deals and if you get the free xbox game more freebies. I got my Xbox game already, just came today.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I got mine as an insurance replacement for my broken Touch Pro 2, great phone. I was going to buy it off contract anyway (I really wanted one with a keyboard and I'm waiting for 2nd gen models before signing a 2 year)
You got your 360 game already ? They are saying 4-6 weeks, how long did you wait ?

Anyone Else Considering Going Back to Android?

I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010 and has avidly followed it up until I finally bought my HD7 back in Dec 2010. I love my device and the simplicity behind the OS, but there's a lot lacking. While the marketplace is booming with activity, there's still little developer support because of its you product life and I feel mango is launching a little late. In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that. And is the sole reason I will be switching back to android for a short minute until WP7 matures into something like this: The Early Concepts of WP7
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
A lot of hardware has launched with Android at the heart and its harder and harder to not acknowledge that. Just look at the Samsung Galaxy S2.
This is not to be a troll thread, and all I'm merely asking is anyone feeling like me.

krjcook said:
In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.

First you say this...
krjcook said:
I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But then you follow it with this...
krjcook said:
In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can and DO deny this preposterous statement. WP7 has some shortcomings right now, but none of them are severe enough to prevent me from using and liking the phone. It is FAR from "abysmal".
krjcook said:
This is not to be a troll thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Could have fooled me.

iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Schismal said:
I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had a feeling someone would jump off the deep end and come at aggressively with the troll remarks. Look me up on Xbl: keenancook , I have WP7 gaming achievements because I own the HD7. But anyways, those pics were show what WP7 may have in the future and why I'm still considering the OS. But WP7 lacking a lot:
Applications, application, applications. WP7 is just lacking, time is what it needs and how many people are willing to wait.
Big Dev's aren't paying too much attention
Main System Menu is BLAND
Too Much Scrolling Just to get where I need.
Marketplace needs revision.
Having to Wait For Features.

As much as I like Android for what it is, I will never go back to that abysmally fragmented OS and half-baked feel. I can wait for Mango, which is bringing 80-90% of the features I wanted, and will see a huge surge in applications with all the new API's released.
wp7 UI is infinitely better than anything else out right now for me, and you add Mango to that, and I am very happy.

so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...

sHAYM4N said:
iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I completely agree about Zune, I've been using it since I first got my Zune 30. Its the MultiMedia Playback Software both visually and from a performance standpoint, Itune/DoubleTwist lags on my PC.
But my problem isn't with Zune, its WP7. Am I the only one who's sick of all the poorly developed apps by amateurs, because the professionals aren't interested? Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?

munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
my thoughts exactly

munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Obviously you just don't get it. You CAN'T like it for what it is, because it "is still an abysmal OS". Didn't you know that??

krjcook said:
Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You don't have to wait for any of those things. Go buy an Android today, and boom! You're there. You can't have it both ways, though. You can't buy into a fledgling ecosystem and then act betrayed by the fact that it isn't as mature as one that has existed for years. That is a naive and immature reaction.
As for the apps you are clamoring for, many weren't possible with the APIs that have been available to developers. Microsoft realized this, and just this week released a new developer kit that includes over 1500 new APIs, which will cause the marketplace to expand at a much more rapid pace in the coming months.

I understand MS is a software company but dang.

They have now exporting the remote control feature to ios and android......., wth besides Zune they are taking the competitive advantage from WP. At least charge other platforms for the service.. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/...or-iphone-brings-direct-remote-android-joins/

buffalosolja42 said:
They have now exporting the remote control feature to ios and android......., wth besides Zune they are taking the competitive advantage from WP. At least charge other platforms for the service.. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/...or-iphone-brings-direct-remote-android-joins/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know; just saw that and I was like what the It's like they are making better or equal products for Android and iOS but I don't see iOS, Android and anyone else for that matter, making apps for Windows Phone. Like for exsample; I heard a rumor that with Connector for Mac you can actually sync with Outlook via USB but not with Windows/Windows Phone

I am just sitting here like why, I cannot show my friends anything I can do on my phone besides live tiles, now that FB is being integrated in iOS.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 2

Software company doing software, doesnt seem odd to me. Actually smart.
Great app btw
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk 2

While its understandable, its not evn a good effort. The App wont even start on my gtab 10.1, telling me the app would not work well on my device...
Sent from my GT-P7510 using XDA

Maybe your screen is too big, the app is great. Everything works even the Avatar animations.
Funny thing is, its implemented better than the WP7 version. Quck access to messages, and the dots at the bottom letting you know which screen you're on. If it stayed logged in that would be awesome, and a widget would make me replace Spark 360.
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk 2

You are all looking at it wrong:
The iPhone and Android users are just beta testers...

vetvito said:
Maybe your screen is too big, the app is great. Everything works even the Avatar animations.
Funny thing is, its implemented better than the WP7 version. Quck access to messages, and the dots at the bottom letting you know which screen you're on. If it stayed logged in that would be awesome, and a widget would make me replace Spark 360.
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Since I can not use the app despite google play saying it's compatible with my device (talk about bad user experience on android here... ) I can not compare it directly, but on WP7 I also have quick access to messages and I do not need dots to see what screen I am on... I can see that by looking at my screen
EDIT: wait. Regarding the messages, I am mixing this up with the games hub. Not that i have used the xbox live companion app too often, though. I never found it useful in the first place.
EDIT2: No, wait again. Is this app like the games hub or like the xbox live companion app?

As I also understand that Microsoft is a software company, they have the right to develop software on other platforms. But this affects their own products marketshare (wp). If people are used to the system their using and since ms apps are available across devices, why switch? The issue today isn't about how many their apps in store, or how an app is exclusive to this platform, but the OS experience (and also money money money). Take the iOS 6 example, not so wow-ing eh? People might eventually switch to another platform to have a different experience, but I know someone will counter-attack this statement so I'll say it now: People don't like change. People do from time to time. Think about it, in general most people get sick of doing the daily routine, in fact all of us do. That's why we choose to have hobbies or do something for a change to experience something totally different from the daily routine.
Secondly, its a persons decision. They like iOS, fine. Android, fine. Just as long as they brag about this and complain about that, its not like everyone cares about your device.
Also keep in mind that Xbox Music may also be available to these devices. They may have showed it off at E3 that it was running on a lumia 800 or a windows tablet, but you just never know.
In windows phone, the games hub is the whole Xbox Live app available in iOS and Android. The Xbox Companion app is only available for windows phone and iOS atm.
vetvito said:
Funny thing is, its implemented better than the WP7 version. Quck access to messages, and the dots at the bottom letting you know which screen you're on. If it stayed logged in that would be awesome, and a widget would make me replace Spark 360.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's because windows phone's metro UI is panoramic/pivot, the whole hub/app overlaps the screen, unlike iOS and android which an app is only limited to use the available screen resolution, unless it is programmed to.

[email protected] said:
You are all looking at it wrong:
The iPhone and Android users are just beta testers...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I believe the app/functionality was first available on WP7. So who is a beta tester?
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk 2

Coming from a household (and a workplace) where each 'user' has picked the PC / Tablet / Phone / Device of their choice, integration of all of them is VERY important, and reaffirms my personal commitment to the Win platform. They're thinking of my needs, not their domination of the market.
Seriously, watch all the google-using people complain about what they can do better on their google devices. Why wouldn't the additional exposure on 'foreign' OS devices for an MS app make you think about switching to the platform where the app came from?
In the case of the next generation, this just makes sense. Who'd want a centralized device in your living room that only connected with less than half the devices you already own? That critical piece (XBox) needs to be connected everywhere and to everything before users can even think of replacing existing devices. This is critical for success in the already installed base of devices out there.
People would be unimpressed if they had this 'cool feature' that let them control / stream / et. al.: but only if you buy all new devices. Wow, that would blow chucks pretty fast.
It's analogous to Office products - who'd buy into it if it ONLY worked with a small subset of devices / OS'es? It simply MUST be ubiquitous to take it seriously.

Correct, people need to understand the Xbox is a entirely different beast then petty cell phones. Microsoft makes more money off of Xbox, hardware and software.
Something better to focus on, Skype
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/6/13/3082352/windows-phone-8-screenshots-skype-camera-ui-rumor
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk 2