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I was expecting more. Much more. And Nokia disappointed me. First, I think I'm not astonished because I've seen the hardware before. At June.
The Lumia 710, it's pretty nice and cheap. It's great!
But hey, where is the front camera? Every device nowadays should have one. Even if I dont use it, I want it. Skype is just around the corner (hope so) and it will allow, or should, video calling.
So, Nokia did save WP7? Everyone was expecting this day to foresee the WP7 future. What now?
Saved or Doomed?
I don't think they've done either - it will survive with or without Nokia. What I do think they've done is totally shot themselves in the foot by leaving out FFC. Think I'll be getting the Titan now to replace my HD7, very disappointed with Nokia on this one.
I totally don't care about the front facing camera, so it's hard for me to see it as a make or break feature for the platform.
They weren't supposed to release some super awesome device.
The idea is that Nokia is a massive brand in Europe, has the biggest market share (despite relying on a dying OS, Symbian, and having competition from the iPhone) and brand. People will buy Nokias because they're Nokias. A certain premium comes from Nokias as seen with the unique design on the Lumia 800.
It's the equivalent of Apple going suddenly ditching iOS and deciding to go with Android and then releasing an iPhone 4S with Android.
I am more than disappointed by Nokia.
But this was predictable. They are just focusing mass customers and developping countries with low end devices...
I will stay with HTC or move to Android. That's pretty sad.
Looks like the 710 supports SD card, that's interesting
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arturobandini said:
I am more than disappointed by Nokia.
But this was predictable. They are just focusing mass customers and developping countries with low end devices...
I will stay with HTC or move to Android. That's pretty sad.
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Think its important to note that these are just the 2011 devices. The rumors have suggested upwards of 12 Nokia phones in various form factors by the end of 2012.
Doomed....lol
Nokia don't save WP7...Windows 8 will...
Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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Doomed....lol
Nokia don't save WP7...Windows 8 will...
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I hope so!
Worldwide? I'm not from Nokia, but they took 9 months to take a device that they probably already had (N9), put some buttons and the OS. If XDA hackers would want to, they could put WP7 OS in N9 in 2 months or less. But nobody cares at all. Whatever, the point is.. they took 9 months to create a device that isnt a killer device, and they forgot the "Worldwide" word. Not even US. Rumors that they will arrive here at February. 4 months? Not even Apple is that slow.
And the Lumia 710 is the only device that surprised me, not for it's specs, but the price is nice.
And frontal camera isnt a feature that would turn me away from a device, but that's us. If I can have a bigger (not Titan bigger) screen and a frontal camera for the same price, I would choose the bigger screen, thanks.
But yeah, Lumia 800 is sexy.
pwachleman said:
Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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Looks like Nokia's plan gonna fail...Think their strategy managers need to go back to school...
They gonna focus on China and India,which gonna fail real soon...Although they are huge population there,but it doesn't means you gonna success.
Lets make some simple assumption, especially in China now,what's most important for a developing country?they will definitely promote local company to grow rather than allow foreign companies to dominate their market such as Nokia. Even apple Ipad and Iphone tax so high in China. I can say that they are over hundread phone manufacturer in China who making KIRF phones...And now,here is the most important part,when talking about KIRF phone,nowadays they already started to use android(the green army).Why?cause it is free,no license fee or anything...
Therefore, the protection towards local investment and the "Free" goddess of Android will simply block Nokia out.
Lastly, don't think that people in developing countries won't want a high end-device...
It is a tough game for Nokia now,Anyway,windows phone 7 will be safe until the Windows 8 is released,complete integration,sync and kinect....
Doomed for Nokia...cheers
Everybody in this forum who makes $7/hr bagging groceries always knows that the bigger company sucks at planning, marketing and developing. Just watch & see whether they succeed or fail, none of us have any idea who will buy it.
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$7/hr bagging groceries are a good measurement and good enough to judge their low end phones...Anyway,Thanks for your reminder.
Nokia starts to lose their ground...Take nine months to copy their own design on N9...great stuffs...
People with name starts with steve sucks ball( steve'n elop, steve ballmer), except steve jobs....
It is just silly Elop is praising their Nokia N9 sales are great while he is the one who killed the device.
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Worldwide? I'm not from Nokia, but they took 9 months to take a device that they probably already had (N9), put some buttons and the OS. If XDA hackers would want to, they could put WP7 OS in N9 in 2 months or less. But nobody cares at all. Whatever, the point is.. they took 9 months to create a device that isnt a killer device, and they forgot the "Worldwide" word. Not even US. Rumors that they will arrive here at February. 4 months? Not even Apple is that slow.
And the Lumia 710 is the only device that surprised me, not for it's specs, but the price is nice.
And frontal camera isnt a feature that would turn me away from a device, but that's us. If I can have a bigger (not Titan bigger) screen and a frontal camera for the same price, I would choose the bigger screen, thanks.
But yeah, Lumia 800 is sexy.
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LOL Sure they could
pwachleman said:
Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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that's because us consumers rejected them and carriers followed as a result, thanks to Symbian.
tHe phones are cute but I can care less what it looks looks like. They go in cases to keep their resale value as high as possible.
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Expecting the flood of hate to commence in 3,..2,...1.... go!
Oh, forgot to mention. The 800 actually lists USB storage mode and TV out as features. So as usual, the haters always focus on the negatives but the oft requested features are ignored. OK, back to the hating!!
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Expecting the flood of hate to commence in 3,..2,...1.... go!
Oh, forgot to mention. The 800 actually lists USB storage mode and TV out as features. So as usual, the haters always focus on the negatives but the oft requested features are ignored. OK, back to the hating!!
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It also says FLAC and AVI support. For me it's now down to Nokia 800 and Samsung Focus S
I dont get all the hate i love this phone already and will be getting one on the 16th. I dont get what you are expecting tbh some sort or cyborg tech from the future? We all knew what WP7 supports etc and as for the rest of it i cant think of a better looking well made handset and the screen looks lush
Don't think its devices that will save WP7. It is marketing and retailer influence, which it looks like Nokia is taking very seriously.
Sure, the Lumia 800 looks decent and has pretty cool features, like navigation. However for a flagship device i miss a FFC, not that I need one but a flagship device should have one. With 16GB this device will be a great option to jump on the WP7 train if priced right. However if the Omnia W comes out around the same prcing I'll go for that. Because it has a FFC... But we'll see...
Enlisting top game developers like EA and Hasbro to make some Nokia exclusive games. Games like tiger woods PGA tour 11, madden 11, NBA Jam, Dead Space, The Game of Life, and plenty more. I knew Nokia wasn't going to blow us away with specs, it's all about quality and marketing with Nokia, one of the oldest and hands down the greatest cellphone OEM. I can't wait to play NFS: Shift.
Series 40 Nokia devices.
Would be beyond retarded for those developers to release apps and games exclusively for one WP7 device.
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Series 40 Nokia devices.
Would be beyond retarded for those developers to release apps and games exclusively for one WP7 device.
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not only series 40, they're releasing some wp7 games as well that will initially be only for nokia's wp7 devices and are expected to broaden after the exclusive effect wears off. It's not the 40 free games that they promise for series 40 but it's something. Also, there are two Nokia devices. I have a two 800s headed here now and will get a 710 when it comes stateside.
Its 40 free games for the S40 and 20 Nokia exclusive games for WP7.
Zee, how about your rich ass send me a device! Show me some love bro.
Should make things interesting...
Awful idea.
You have a struggling platform, and you release major titles (the likes of which were promised about the initial launch) only on sub par "2nd Gen" devices that won't even hit North America for a year?
I gotta be honest, this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard, if it is indeed true.
I work with marketing, please don't give me a line about how this is supposedly genius.
This is like bizarro world or something.
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Awful idea.
You have a struggling platform, and you release major titles (the likes of which were promised about the initial launch) only on sub par "2nd Gen" devices that won't even hit North America for a year?
I gotta be honest, this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard, if it is indeed true.
I work with marketing, please don't give me a line about how this is supposedly genius.
This is like bizarro world or something.
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Struggling platform - true.
Subpar 2nd gen devices - so they won't be able to run on the Nokia 1.4GHz phones?
Won't hit North America - so the world = North America?
If you work with marketing then you would understand that you satisfy your base and then expand. People game in the UK and Asia. Nokia is biggest in the UK and Asia. This is a principle of business.
I know, a better idea would be to do nothing at all. How is it Nokia's fault that they decided to commission game companies to do something with their phone that would bring some attention to it? This is exactly what SE tried to do with their Play phone. Gaming on phones is where things are at and the companies know this, hence the focus on it with the iPhone during the last conference.
It is like some people made up their minds to dislike any move some companies make. No, Nokia don't pay companies money to bring popular games exclusively to your phone. No, gaming companies don't take Nokia's money.
Right.
No, its not dumb of Nokia. Its actually smart of Nokia.
Its dumb as hell for the developers. Why limit yourself?
can't wait to see how well dead space run on WP7/ adreno 205 GPU...
Can't wait to see how long the developers going to support their games on WP7...
Have been stop buying games for months since the developers of harvester(games that microsoft claimed the one of the best graphic) zombie attacks 2 and de blob stop updating their games...
cool stuffs.
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No, its not dumb of Nokia. Its actually smart of Nokia.
Its dumb as hell for the developers. Why limit yourself?
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Think about it Vet. Did these companies launch these titles on a mobile platform prior to Nokia approaching them? No, op it is actually even smarter for the developers.
I want you to take your year old game: Vetvito 2011. Never mind Vetvito 2012 is about to launch, I will pay you to build the old one for my platform. When all is said and done I would have paid you to develop a framework to run one of your popular reoccuring gaming titles on a mobile platform.
Smile all the way to the bank.
Everyone is a winner.
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Awful idea.
You have a struggling platform, and you release major titles (the likes of which were promised about the initial launch) only on sub par "2nd Gen" devices that won't even hit North America for a year?
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I didn't realize Early 2012 was a year away
This is an absolutely genius move. Do you not remember the call for ilomilo when it was an ATT exclusive. I literally had dozens of people approaching me asking me if I could get that game on their device as I'm more or less a local cellphone guru. People want what they can't have, let us Nokia WP7 users show it off first, show what WP7 can actually do, create some interest in not only the platform, but also the OEM. Then after the exclusivity factor wears off release them to all WP7 users, rinse, and repeat. Nokia is WP7's salvation and while it will take some time to hit America (three months I believe) it is hitting the Asian and European market right away and with a name like Nokia there you will sell. Many people there live and die by Nokia.
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Think about it Vet. Did these companies launch these titles on a mobile platform prior to Nokia approaching them? No, op it is actually even smarter for the developers.
I want you to take your year old game: Vetvito 2011. Never mind Vetvito 2012 is about to launch, I will pay you to build the old one for my platform. When all is said and done I would have paid you to develop a framework to run one of your popular reoccuring gaming titles on a mobile platform.
Smile all the way to the bank.
Everyone is a winner.
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I don't think these are old games. Its FIFA 2012 for example. I can't read what the year on the Madden one is.
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z33dev33l said:
This is an absolutely genius move. Do you not remember the call for ilomilo when it was an ATT exclusive. I literally had dozens of people approaching me asking me if I could get that game on their device as I'm more or less a local cellphone guru. People want what they can't have, let us Nokia WP7 users show it off first, show what WP7 can actually do, create some interest in not only the platform, but also the OEM. Then after the exclusivity factor wears off release them to all WP7 users, rinse, and repeat. Nokia is WP7's salvation and while it will take some time to hit America (three months I believe) it is hitting the Asian and European market right away and with a name like Nokia there you will sell. Many people there live and die by Nokia.
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Doesn't really make any sense. It'd make sense if it was a Nokia exclusive and not available on iOS and Android. This is just screwing over people that are already on the WP7 platform and who chose not to buy a Nokia device.
This is good for Nokia, it is not good for the platform and its not good for the consumer.
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No, its not dumb of Nokia. Its actually smart of Nokia.
Its dumb as hell for the developers. Why limit yourself?
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Because Nokia probably pays them?
where the gold at?
Gold = iPhone user base for exclusive
Why, oh why take 1/5 of a check from Nokia, if it's even that much?
Here in the UK they have sponsored a whole TV Channel.
This is an idiotic move. The last thing you want for the platform as a whole is bad publicity which you will definitely get because you're punishing people who made a choice of OEM that suited them better.
If you want SAMOLED+/4"+ screen/FF Camera/32GB+ Storage you will definitely not buy a Nokia so you're being punished for wanting this? Not to mention your carrier might not be selling Nokia phones but only HTC/Samsung instead, so you're being punished for that too?
All that will get is negative reaction towards the platform as a whole. And before I get the stupid "you already know that, just buy a Nokia if you want these games" comment, most people don't go on XDA/Engadget/Pocketnow/WPCentral and wouldn't know about this deal so they would just feel cheated when they realise they can't play Dead Space because they bought a Titan. They're being punished because they don't visit tech websites, well done.
A smarter deal is to make the games available to all but free (or very cheap) to Nokia users, that way everyone wins.
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This is an idiotic move. The last thing you want for the platform as a whole is bad publicity which you will definitely get because you're punishing people who made a choice of OEM that suited them better.
If you want SAMOLED+/4"+ screen/FF Camera/32GB+ Storage you will definitely not buy a Nokia so you're being punished for wanting this? Not to mention your carrier might not be selling Nokia phones but only HTC/Samsung instead, so you're being punished for that too?
All that will get is negative reaction towards the platform as a whole. And before I get the stupid "you already know that, just buy a Nokia if you want these games" comment, most people don't go on XDA/Engadget/Pocketnow/WPCentral and wouldn't know about this deal so they would just feel cheated when they realise they can't play Dead Space because they bought a Titan. They're being punished because they don't visit tech websites, well done.
A smarter deal is to make the games available to all but free (or very cheap) to Nokia users, that way everyone wins.
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Bad publicity? Punishment?
Where exactly were these games before Nokia commissioned the makers to bring them to the mobile world? And I think this is a false sense of entitlement. Exclusivity occurs quite often. Do you ***** and complain when ATT / Verizon / TMo have exclusive phones? Do you talk about negative publicity when XBox / PS3 / Wii has an exclusive title?
Peew, I may be wrong, but I think you made up your mind that nothing good can come out of anything related to this WP venture so anything that does happen is no good.
Nokia may spend a whole heap of money and it may not turn into a massive success, but there really is nothing wrong with what they are trying to do here. In the mobile industry you need something that differentiates you from the rest. Something that gives the consumer an incentive to choose your handset.
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Bad publicity? Punishment?
Where exactly were these games before Nokia commissioned the makers to bring them to the mobile world? And I think this is a false sense of entitlement. Exclusivity occurs quite often. Do you ***** and complain when ATT / Verizon / TMo have exclusive phones? Do you talk about negative publicity when XBox / PS3 / Wii has an exclusive title?
Nokia may spend a whole heap of money and it may not turn into a massive success, but there really is nothing wrong with what they are trying to do here. In the mobile industry you need something that differentiates you from the rest. Something that gives the consumer an incentive to choose your handset.
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This carrier exclusive phone nonsense only happens in the US, why the universe lets it happen is beyond me so no I don't ***** about this.
Now to your point, let me remind you why Nokia joined Microsoft... They want Windows Phone to grow as the 3rd ecosystem, that's their own statement. If you talk ecosystem you must include all your partners, in that case the other OEMs. You can't compare this with exclusive titles on Xbox/PS3/Wii, these are competing companies! Here is a real comparison: Nokia getting exclusive games is like making games only available to the new Xbox 360 S. What about all these people who bought the original 360 and put up with it even during hard times? What's the valid argument to them not getting these games when they essentially own the same machine?
Like I said, if they want to give people incentive to choose Nokia they could just make these games free or cheap on these handsets.
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Peew, I may be wrong, but I think you made up your mind that nothing good can come out of anything related to this WP venture so anything that does happen is no good.
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I won't dignify this with an answer.
http://www.osnews.com/story/25480/Microsoft_To_Acquire_Nokia_s_Smartphone_Division_
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Microsoft To Acquire Nokia's Smartphone Division? posted by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Jan 2012 11:25 UTC This rumour is not new, nor is it particularly earth-shattering. However, with Windows Phone 7 failing to make a dent in the market place, and Nokia's Lumia 800 not making huge waves either, the rumour's been taken out of the shed again: Microsoft is supposedly acquiring Nokia's smartphone division later this year. Stephen Elop will resign from Nokia shortly afterwards.
This time around, the rumour's being rekindled by Eldar Murtazin, the Russian editor-in-chief of Mobile-Review.com. He has a pretty good track record regarding Nokia, and has often had very, very early access to device prototypes and other information. However, as always, a firm pile of salt should be readily available at all times when reading this.
"Steve Balmer, Andy Lees and Stephen Elop, Kai Ostamo will meet in Las Vegas to finalize agreement about Nokia smartphone unit," he tweeted. The deal is apparently so that Microsoft also gets a few manufacturing plants, and, of course, an extensive patent portfolio. The Nokia name is set to disappear from the Microsoft smartphones that would follow from this acquisition.
It would leave Nokia with its feature phone business, networking equipment, and an assortment of other activities. While many think this would mean the end of Nokia, I highly doubt it will be - the company is 140 years old, has survived multiple crises and product transitions (they started out as a paper company, after all). Nokia will survive, even without smartphones, but that doesn't make it any less tragic.
This deal certainly wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. It's becoming ever more clear that all those naysayers were right, back when the Microsoft-Nokia deal was announced. Stephen Elop is a mole, with only one goal: to drive Nokia into the ground, so that Microsoft can swoop in and acquire the interesting parts for a relatively low price. The N9 demonstrated that Nokia did have an option besides the failing Windows Phone 7, and that the deal with Microsoft wasn't a necessity at all.
We'll have to see how it all pans out over the course of 2012, but this doesn't seem like a crazy prediction. Sad.
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Patent mongering ?
Company absorbtion ?
Apple-like hardware control ?
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wouldn't be surprising. Symbian still the most used smartphone OS, I just don't understand why the company didn't improve, and update it. They killed the proven Symbian OS ,for a unproven unpopular OS that they have no control over.
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It won't surprise me either.
My 2 years old Symbian nokia, can do at least everything my WP7 can do, + even much more things.
the only problema is the screen-res thats 320x240.
Nokia went from actually good OS with no future, to an actually bad OS, with a very doubt future.
Eh, last I checked the lumia 800 series was doing great in Europe...
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Eh, last I checked the lumia 800 series was doing great in Europe...
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If you have a link to official sales numbers, please post. I've read a lot of speculation on both +/- for sales over there, but no official numbers.
Either way, I'm second guessing microsofts intentions, if any.
I started ignoring anything Eldar Murtazin says a long time ago
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If you have a link to official sales numbers, please post. I've read a lot of speculation on both +/- for sales over there, but no official numbers.
Either way, I'm second guessing microsofts intentions, if any.
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Strangely the same request for confirmation doesnt seem to be made when the talk is of low WP7 sales, just accepted as the truth.
Anyway, Nokia has denied it, update at the botttom of this story: http://www.slashgear.com/microsofts-nokia-smartphone-division-acquisition-tipped-imminent-05206304/
The rumor may or may not be true (and it most likely is not), but public denials are not now, nor have they ever been, proof that an acquisition is not imminent. I have worked for numerous companies that have been acquired, and in every case, right up until the day the acquisition was officially announced, the companies that I worked for denied the "rumors". That is just standard business practice to avoid too much market volatility.
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Strangely the same request for confirmation doesnt seem to be made when the talk is of low WP7 sales, just accepted as the truth.
Anyway, Nokia has denied it, update at the botttom of this story: http://www.slashgear.com/microsofts-nokia-smartphone-division-acquisition-tipped-imminent-05206304/
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yep the truth is still tied up somewhere... apple loves to flaunt 4 million sales in a weekend, android 500,000+ activations a day... and microsoft, balmer only says that sales were less than expected. not much to go on. :-(
you mentioned the update, her's the text:
Update: Nokia UK has given us the following comment:
“We’ve put these rumours to rest a long time ago. The focus for Nokia is on executing on our partnership around Windows Phone and growing the ecosystem, and each company has the tools they need to do so”
yes, that sounds like the normal corporate-speak for "we don't want insider trading or speculations hurting our stocks" as normal.
still waiting on official numbers, and apparently waiting a little longer for a possible aquisition.
It would be awesome if MS could have their own branded phones like Apple.
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It would be awesome if MS could have their own branded phones like Apple.
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Well that would upset HTC, Samsung etc. and also take all the Nokia-coolness away from the phones.
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Well that would upset HTC, Samsung etc. and also take all the Nokia-coolness away from the phones.
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posted before I did
the nokia venture is ultimately a bad idea especially if it is relegated to the dumb phone scene
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wouldn't be surprising. Symbian still the most used smartphone OS, I just don't understand why the company didn't improve, and update it. They killed the proven Symbian OS ,for a unproven unpopular OS that they have no control over.
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You would say that.
Where again where Symbian sales heading for Nokia? They were bleeding marketshare. The writing was on the wall for Symbian. Argue that Nokia should have gone to Android, but not that they should not have stuck with Symbian.
Symbian was not going anywhere positive. The overhead of making your own software has exponential penalties when you are losing sales. The app catalogue was not progressing. Now instead of slowly dying like RIM, Nokia made a gamble. Microsoft could provide them with some perks that the open source world of Android could not.
Now, just like I see a conflict of interest with Google owning Motorola, I see a problem with Microsoft owning Nokia. But maybe they can spin it like Google did -
"We did this to protect the ecosystem. Motorola will operate separately. Don't be worried."
nokia showed an overall growth w/ symbian last year
isn't that extremely positive for a sinking ship
And it is still number one in terms of international handset maker even if samsung is closing in really fast
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You would say that.
Where again where Symbian sales heading for Nokia? They were bleeding marketshare. The writing was on the wall for Symbian. Argue that Nokia should have gone to Android, but not that they should not have stuck with Symbian.
Symbian was not going anywhere positive. The overhead of making your own software has exponential penalties when you are losing sales. The app catalogue was not progressing. Now instead of slowly dying like RIM, Nokia made a gamble. Microsoft could provide them with some perks that the open source world of Android could not.
Now, just like I see a conflict of interest with Google owning Motorola, I see a problem with Microsoft owning Nokia. But maybe they can spin it like Google did -
"We did this to protect the ecosystem. Motorola will operate separately. Don't be worried."
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Selective reading? You miss the part where I said "improve". All they had to do was update.
You do know Symbian still outsells Win phone, don't you?
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Saying all Nokia had to do is improve Symbian is kind of like saying all Microsoft needed to do to compete with the iPhone was to improve Windows Mobile
Anyway, it looks like the market and analysts are now expecting good things from Nokia. Hopefully they are right
technically speaking, winphone is a improvement of WM. Unless you're not thinking logically.
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Selective reading? You miss the part where I said "improve". All they had to do was update.
You do know Symbian still outsells Win phone, don't you?
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I did not selectively read. Because improving it oh so easy. The OS was flat not not attractive. Symbian Anna and Belle are improvements but its nowhere near Android.
Your product is crap. Just improve it.
Last numbers I saw Symbian was still the #1 OS in certain markets. That because Nokia puts Symbian on near everything. Have you owned any Symbian phones? I have. Remember Nokia's share used to be 40%. Last number I saw was in the 20s. Why? Smartphone explosion.
Symbian was sinking and taking Nokia with them. Fact.
So you ditch it, and still sink? Meego was a great alternative, all I'm saying is don't foolishly put all your eggs in one basket.
Symbian, Meego, and Winphone couldve helped Nokia.
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So you ditch it, and still sink? Meego was a great alternative, all I'm saying is don't foolishly put all your eggs in one basket.
Symbian, Meego, and Winphone couldve helped Nokia.
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What about the expenses and overheads of the company? What about the business aspect of that decision? Nokia's problem was they had too many OSes.
Symbian S40, S60 5th edition, Symbian UIQ, S^3, Meego, Maemo. And a partridge in a pear tree.
But in a btw, since 'killing off" Symbian, they have released updates and new phones using Symbian. Maybe there is a place for Symbian like there is a place for Bada and Brew.
Vet, you obvious do not like Windows Phone. At all. But Symbian was a dead end. And Meego? Cmon. They are not getting to 50,000 apps in under a year with Meego. The only valid argument I can understand is Nokia should have ditched Symbian for Android.
Nokia official Q4 sales are out. Long story short, after being introduced in limited markets Nov 2011, Lumia sales are over a million units.
Not a bad start.
Edit: Removed 800 from thread title and body. Sales are for Lumia line and not only 800.
No, that's for the 710 and 800 combined.
" He said Nokia has sold “well over” 1 million such devices since the launch of the Lumia line in the fourth quarter, in line with company expectations.
Including other models, Nokia sold 19 million smartphones in the quarter. By comparison, Apple sold 37 million iPhones in the same period."
Lumina 710 and 800 combined 1 million.
N9: 1.4 million
N8: over 4 million
Nokia total losses: over 1 billion
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It was "well over" 1 million, whatever that means. Where did you see N9 numbers? I didn't see any mention of them in the report.
vetvito said:
No, that's for the 710 and 800 combined.
" He said Nokia has sold “well over” 1 million such devices since the launch of the Lumia line in the fourth quarter, in line with company expectations.
Including other models, Nokia sold 19 million smartphones in the quarter. By comparison, Apple sold 37 million iPhones in the same period."
Lumina 710 and 800 combined 1 million.
N9: 1.4 million
N8: over 4 million
Nokia total losses: over 1 billion
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Oh I am sorry, you are right. I thought the Lumia 710 came out this year. When exactly did the 710 launch? All I see is december.
This is an assumption, but could the Lumia 710 be responsible for much of those $1 plus million sales given the short window of launch?
Depends on which country. I think it was December.
Still in one month that ain't bad. it already has 45% of the Windows phone total sales and ATT in the states still doesn't have a nokia yet. only tmobile. (much smaller provider).
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Reports-954M-Loss-for-Q4-2011-248868.shtml
Today, Finnish mobile phone maker Nokia announced its financial results for the fourth quarter of last year, and posted a €954 million ($1.25 billion) profit loss for the timeframe.
Moreover, the company announced that its total loss for the last year was of €1.073 billion ($1.4 billion). Compared to the previous year, the company’s profits went down 43 percent.
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I think the numbers show the clear picture of where Nokia was heading and why Symbian was not the answer. I believe the only thing that is debateable is if Nokia should have gone Android vs Windows Phone.
Nokia got paid handsomely for choosing Windows Phone. Nokia will be the king of that platform, like Samsung is of Android (with HTC close just like WP). Maybe they should have done both Android and Windows Phone.
I think only time will tell where the WP road leads them. But I think I would have done the same thing Nokia did.
They shouldn't do Android. They should've focused on Meego and kept updating Symbian a very long time ago, and offered Windows Phone alongside their other offerings.
Why do people say RIM should do Android? That's silly.
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They shouldn't do Android. They should've focused on Meego and kept updating Symbian a very long time ago, and offered Windows Phone alongside their other offerings.
Why do people say RIM should do Android? That's silly.
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I have a question about the Nexus S Vet. Thinking about getting one (the i9020A for the ATT bands) Do you check PMs?
Completely off topic but this is RIMs problem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aFYuvUv_B8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I can't do nothing but laugh.
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I have a question about the Nexus S Vet. Thinking about getting one (the i9020A for the ATT bands) Do you check PMs?
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Yeah, and it really depends on your price.
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According to the resellers of Lumia phones... It has sold better than N8 and N9.
“Lumia 800 sales is not comparable with the iPhone 4S, but it mixes with the mobiles that sell best on the market currently, it has also sold better than the N8 and N9 at launch, and it also sells better than other manufacturers do when there’s a new product, “says sales director Michael Bech from Telia.
“We have since Friday experienced the same demand, as shown by the introduction of the iPhone 4S. Lumia 800 has sold more than three times as much as number two on our sales charts, “Morten Steen Jensen, purchasing manager at TDC.
But then again... Lumia only started off on 6 markets... So I guess the estimated 1,3 million sold units aint too shabby.
nicksti said:
Nokia official Q4 sales are out. Long story short, after being introduced in limited markets Nov 2011, Lumia 800 sales are over a million units.
Not a bad start.
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nice
not bad at all
dragonide said:
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not bad at all
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I wonder if "sales" represented shipped devices to retailers or actual customer sales ? (You know how things are at times)
Also, I ran across this on my mail aggregator and just thought.... WOW:
http://m.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Nokia-Windows-Phone-7-Deal-Partnership-money,14564.html
When Nokia and Microsoft last year revealed a strategic partnership that would see the former use Windows Phone 7 as its primary smartphone OS, it was obvious what Nokia stood to gain from the deal. The Finnish company, once a king in the cell phone industry, was struggling in the smartphone space. The company needed a smartphone OS that already had an established user base and the support and apps necessary for growth. However, this wasn't a one-sided deal. Though Nokia has been less than successful in the smartphone market, the company has a lot of brand loyalty, and the partnership offered Microsoft the chance to reach millions more customers. As it turns out, Microsoft paid rather a lot for this privilege.
Though both parties have remained quiet about the financial details of their agreement for the better part of a year, information was revealed by Nokia yesterday during a quarterly earnings call. According to Nokia's Q4 results, which were released this week, Microsoft paid Nokia $250 million to use Windows Phone 7. Described by Nokia as a "platform support payment," this isn't a one time thing. According to SlashGear's Chris Davies, who was first to pick up on the figure, there will be more payments made by Microsoft. The eventual figure is thought to be more than one billion dollars.
"Our broad strategic agreement with Microsoft includes platform support payments from Microsoft to us as well as software royalty payments from us to Microsoft," Nokia said in its results. "We have a competitive software royalty structure, which includes minimum software royalty commitments."
So far we know next to nothing about what Nokia is paying Microsoft, but Nokia did say that over the life of the agreement "both the platform support payments and minimum software royalty commitments are expected to measure in the billions of US dollars.
Nokia also confirmed yesterday that it has sold more than a million Lumia handsets, as predicted by analysts earlier this week.
Look at like this:
Go with Android and get sued by Microsoft and still be in decline
Or
Go with Windows Phone and get paid by Microsoft.
Not a hard decision.
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vetvito said:
Look at like this:
Go with Android and get sued by Microsoft and still be in decline
Or
Go with Windows Phone and get paid by Microsoft.
Not a hard decision.
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This. Plus the quite obvious fact that on Android you can't push out single core 3.7" phones and get away with it, it would have costed them a lot more also in terms of hardware, they would have been risking too much.
vetvito said:
Look at like this:
Go with Android and get sued by Microsoft and still be in decline
Or
Go with Windows Phone and get paid by Microsoft.
Not a hard decision.
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vnvman said:
This. Plus the quite obvious fact that on Android you can't push out single core 3.7" phones and get away with it, it would have costed them a lot more also in terms of hardware, they would have been risking too much.
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I'm also sure the decision came down to "Put complete crap on our phones" or "Put a masterpiece" - I'm sure glad they chose the masterpiece
Time to make the doughnu....oh wait, clean the thread again...
FiyaFleye said:
I'm also sure the decision came down to "Put complete crap on our phones" or "Put a masterpiece" - I'm sure glad they chose the masterpiece
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You are being a little extreme Fiya. If Android was complete crap then why are so many people buying them?
I do agree that Nokia made a overall strategic business decision to buy into Windows Phone that was sweetened by Microsoft.
Yes, it would have costed Nokia a bit more to introduce the Lumia 800 Android; they would have had to given it SGS2 specs for it to be a flagship phone in that ecosystem but the sales would have been astronomical! But I guarantee you Apple would have been quickly knocking at their door with legal documents (Nokia successfully sued Apple in 2007 for patent infringements).
The best thing for Nokia would be to keep doing S40 phones, Windows Phones, and if Android gets past the suits Android phones as well.
Vetvito: Well... Use Microsoft techs in your OS (Android) and expect to pay for it, or pay for Microsofts tech straight away... It's an easy decision for me... But I don't manufacture any phones.
Why do you stay in the WP forums again? I haven't seen one single positive post about it... I (as a Detroit Red Wings fan) don't hang around Philadelphia Flyers-sites and post about every negative aspect I can find about them... What's on your agenda really? Jealosy?
Why do Android sell? Price and impressive specs.
Has anybody heard about Microsoft or Nokia planning a commercial for Superbowl. This would be the perfect opportunity for Microsoft or Nokia to debut a commercial showing off the OS among the many viewers who will be tuning into the Superbowl. Lots of people watch the superbowl just for the commercial. I hope some of that advertising money will bring about an amazing commercial for WP7.
I hope they do, and believe they will. Its a perfect time to advertise both WP & the Lumia's.
I guess they could push the 710. Seems too early to advertise the 900, that's ~6 weeks.
Ok the superbowl is amognst us today. Has anybody heard of any MS commercials that will be branding WP7.
This is the perfect time for MS to market their product like crazy. WP should have sponsored the superbowl. lol
If any commercials post them here:
PG2G said:
I guess they could push the 710. Seems too early to advertise the 900, that's ~6 weeks.
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There will be movie trailers for summer films during the Superbowl, so it's never to early to build up anticipation.
Samsung is planning a 4th quarter commercial stating something dramatic.
What does MS or Nokia have to rebound off of this
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Samsung is planning a 4th quarter commercial stating something dramatic.
What does MS or Nokia have to rebound off of this
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it will be interesting ... maybe bill gates and that comedian guy trying on shoes again ? LOL (just reserving a place to comment later
Was just a Samsung Galaxy Note commercial. Oh well.
Didn't see any iPhone or other droid commercials, also didn't see any carrier commercials cept for USCC, no sprint,no AT$T,no T-mob or Andrizon. So not a total disappointment.
Yeah, that commercial was pretty lame.
guy: "*GASP*, is that a pen?!"
Yes, and they were laughed out of existence in the early 2000's as completely cumbersome and useless.
And now it's some sort of godsend? No thanks, I've had a stylus device. There is no positive to it whatsoever.
prohibido_por_la_ley said:
Didn't see any iPhone or other droid commercials, also didn't see any carrier commercials cept for USCC, no sprint,no AT$T,no T-mob or Andrizon. So not a total disappointment.
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The competition (with 90%+ market share) didn't advertise, so its ok that m$ (with -4%) didn't ? I figured people would be raising hell over a lack of marketing.
Also, the pen the note has is... well you should try it out...
Seems the official web-stream from NFL.com was a different story...
Ads for Verizon and the Samsung Galaxy II all over the place.
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The competition (with 90%+ market share) didn't advertise, so its ok that m$ (with -4%) didn't ? I figured people would be raising hell over a lack of marketing.
Also, the pen the note has is... well you should try it out...
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its not m$ its MS and they have way more than -4%.
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its not m$ its MS and they have way more than -4%.
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M$ is widely understood to mean microsoft, it seems the $ is derogatary or just a dollar sign, depending on the point of view.
The "-" was a typo., it was supposed to say 'around' 4%, which is a best guess, since there are no official sales numbers from M$. Last I read it was 43% android and 45% iphone, but those numbers change from source to source too.
Even if the samsung note ad was over the top, it has people talking. The stylus may have been a plan to get it even more free publicity, attracting the old palm pilot lovers, I don't really know. The screen size is a draw for me...
I was so disappointed that there wasn't an add for the Lumia 900.
It probably made the most sense, since the device is not expected for another month and a half...but still.
samsabri said:
I was so disappointed that there wasn't an add for the Lumia 900.
It probably made the most sense, since the device is not expected for another month and a half...but still.
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imo windows phone no-show is better than samsung paying millions for that stupid galaxy note commercial.
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Yeah, that commercial was pretty lame.
guy: "*GASP*, is that a pen?!"
Yes, and they were laughed out of existence in the early 2000's as completely cumbersome and useless.
And now it's some sort of godsend? No thanks, I've had a stylus device. There is no positive to it whatsoever.
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I have to say, nothing has tempted me to abondon Windows Mobile as much as Galaxy Note. For the artistically inclined, Galaxy Note is a godsend.