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Engadget poll asked users if they got a WP7 phone?

Engadget is a massive website and so they get quite a few votes on their polls. There is a poll for the Windows Phone launch to see how many Engadget readers will be buying one of those new shiny devices.
The results are interesting and I think that they could have been higher but take a look for yourself.
Engadget Windows Phone 7 Poll Results!
What do you think about it? Do you think Microsoft could have done more to push it as they are spending about $500 million on advertising.

This poll tells me that Dell needs to hurry up with the Venue Pro.

Phone Titan said:
Engadget is a massive website and so they get quite a few votes on their polls. There is a poll for the Windows Phone launch to see how many Engadget readers will be buying one of those new shiny devices.
The results are interesting and I think that they could have been higher but take a look for yourself.
Engadget Windows Phone 7 Poll Results!
What do you think about it? Do you think Microsoft could have done more to push it as they are spending about $500 million on advertising.
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Not really considering most of their audience and articles are geared toward Apple and Android products. I'd like to see the results a year from now.

makes me sad how the surround got no love. its seriously the best phone ive ever owned.

Badly formulated poll if you ask me, as the first option could mean both "I didcnt want one" or (as was the case for many ppl) "No hardware was available to me".

On this poll, I can see :
- 83.4% didn't get any WP7
So it mean that 16.6% want a WP7. I don't know how to interprate this but it could mean that WP7 could potentially reach at least 16.6% market share ?
WM currently has less than 5%.
But there are some people, like me, who want a WP7, but are waiting for a better smartphone, simply :
- 16 GO or more
- Memory card
- < 1 GHz
- S Amoled
- 8 MPX or more with a true flash

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On this poll, I can see :
- 83.4% didn't get any WP7
So it mean that 16.6% want a WP7. I don't know how to interprate this but it could mean that WP7 could potentially reach at least 16.6% market share ?
WM currently has less than 5%.
But there are some people, like me, who want a WP7, but are waiting for a better smartphone, simply :
- 16 GO or more
- Memory card
- < 1 GHz
- S Amoled
- 8 MPX or more with a true flash
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Thats what I am waiting for as well. I just wish the focus was available outside the US.
At the moment there is no where to even purchase a WP7 in Thailand, And no mention of when it will be available.
I find it hard to fathom what the dealers were thinking when they decided to only offer 8 GB on most models.

For me the biggest mistake MS made with having numerous handsets available with different carriers is that many are left with a terrible lineup with their chosen carrier and unless you are willing to switch, you either buy a phone you don't want or you wait...I'm waiting...
I'm with Bell Canada...we have the frumpy LG phone with keyboard...it looks marginally better than a feature phone...I can't imagine they will sell many of these when Bell is also pushing the flashy Android phones and of course the iphone...
The only phones I want are the HD7 which is not available in Canada, the Dell Venue Pro which is not available in Canada or the Samsung Focus which is on Rogers(ie. Robbers) and I have no desire at all to switch from one thieving company (Bell) to one that is even worse...
I think MS needs to somehow force the carriers to carry more variety or push the manufacturers to release better versions....the hardware for the most part is crap except for the Dell and Focus....

You should stop in a store and handle the Surround. I wrote it off a month ago when it was announced as I thought it wouldnt interest me, it was stupid, crap, etc. but after handling one and using it and seeing how thin it was, I really took a liking to it and ended up buying it. Id say handle all these phones before settling on one sight unseen.

Aturayd said:
You should stop in a store and handle the Surround. I wrote it off a month ago when it was announced as I thought it wouldnt interest me, it was stupid, crap, etc. but after handling one and using it and seeing how thin it was, I really took a liking to it and ended up buying it. Id say handle all these phones before settling on one sight unseen.
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I'm going to an MS event that is showcasing all the phones in Canada in a week or so and I'll see them all there....the surround doesn't look bad at all but I have no use for that speaker, no mater how well it sounds...it just adds bulk.
The carriers up here in Canada with the exception of Telus are not promoting WP7 at all...I guess it's because Telus is the launch partner for WP7 but man if that's the case they should have pushed to get the samsung focus...

Nokia & Microsoft Agreement

Here are the details of the Nokia/Microsoft partnership
Nokia will deliver mapping, navigation and location based services to the Windows Phone 7 eco system.
Nokia will provide imaging and hardware design expertise, carrier billing connections and receive payments for its intellectual properties.
Nokia will be paying royalties to Microsoft for each Windows Phone 7 device they make, but they’ll receive payments “in the billions” from Microsoft.
A Nokia-branded app store will be built on the Windows Marketplace infrastructure.
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Other than ovi maps (which I've been told is good), can someone honestly explain to me why this is a big deal? Hasn't Nokia not been popular since their candy-bar phones in the late 90's??
I know I had a Nokia 5200 music phone in 2007, and it had some issues but was a great phone. But I just don't get it...

I have seen my share of phones (like the same 5200 Nokia which was one of their early attempts to crack into the SE music market) and I personally have always hated the UI. I thought it to be difficult to navigate and unintuitive (I owned a P1, W960i, and Vivaz which admitted are not S^3 devices).
Which point of view do you not understand? Both companies did it as a matter of survival. People will argue about who needed who more but everyone does benefit tremendously:
Nokia - Symbian was dying. Nokia is huge in Asia but lacks significant presence in USA. What Nokia wants out of the deal is a smartphone platform that makes them relevant. They probably believe with their superior telephony and hardware they will be able to jump ahead of the pack.
Microsoft - Windows Phone did not have the wildly successful start that Microsoft would have hoped for. They wanted something that would allow them to pick up more customers.
I am one of those customers that drools about the possibility of a Nokia W8 phone (N8 with Windows on it) or a W7 (E7 with Windows on it). I have always thought the two more balanced phone makers out there were Nokia and SE. Good optics, good battery life, well built phones. SE suffers from too much design reuse and intercompeting phone and Nokia in the past could have made better looking phones, but good phones none the less.
Nokia really needed it. Smartphone sales are a huge chunk of everyone's revenue now and this will give them a promising platform to be part of.
Why Windows as opposed to Android I am not touching with a 10 foot pole. That will go nowhere fast.

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Other than ovi maps (which I've been told is good), can someone honestly explain to me why this is a big deal? Hasn't Nokia not been popular since their candy-bar phones in the late 90's??
I know I had a Nokia 5200 music phone in 2007, and it had some issues but was a great phone. But I just don't get it...
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Nokia are the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in Europe. They have the biggest brand as well (IMO I can't back that up with any facts but it'd be a widespread opinion).
It's like Motorola or Palm, how big they are in the US. Motorola's "Revival" with Android did wonders for the Android OS. Nokia's with Windows Phone will have a similar or dare I say greater effect.
The ovi store has around 40,000 applications. 3.5m apps are downloaded per day from Ovi Store.
Nokia have always been true innovators, have a look at some of their old models. Dual Sliders with a keypad and media controls (n95), rotating designs, flip designs. They've had it all and will no doubt bring their influence to WP.

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Nokia have always been true innovators, have a look at some of their old models. Dual Sliders with a keypad and media controls (n95), rotating designs, flip designs. They've had it all and will no doubt bring their influence to WP.
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Nokia really did not do flip all that much; they are best known for their candybar phones from back in the day, but I do agree with you. The N95 was a phone well ahead of its time in terms of features and optics. In my mind Nokia is #1, SE #2 in optics. Samsung and LG had a handful of flagship camera phones, but Nokia and SE put out consistantly good ones in varying priced phones.
Nokia will be a differentiator in the handset choice war. Nokia vs Motorola just like back in the day, except Motorola has been through a long, dark tunnel.

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Nokia really did not do flip all that much; they are best known for their candybar phones from back in the day, but I do agree with you. The N95 was a phone well ahead of its time in terms of features and optics. In my mind Nokia is #1, SE #2 in optics. Samsung and LG had a handful of flagship camera phones, but Nokia and SE put out consistantly good ones in varying priced phones.
Nokia will be a differentiator in the handset choice war. Nokia vs Motorola just like back in the day, except Motorola has been through a long, dark tunnel.
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Yeah the flip I was referring to was that one old phone aggess ago. It was quite a brick but it was a phone on the outside and you flip it open and it turned into a laptop (well a mini phone laptop thing).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_9110_Communicator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E90_Communicator
The first edition was kinda like a Motorola Atrix for the late 90s
Edit: Also I agree with you on optics, the N95 is the best Camera Phone I've owned to date (and my last Nokia Phone). N8 photos look amazing.

The thing about Nokia for me is build quality........
I had a 3310 "back in the day" and an N95 before my HD2, both those phones had the absolute crap beaten out of them and didnt even suffer as much as a loose battery cover......
Obviously I cant be certain that kind of quality applies to all their phones but in my experience it has been solid and I would seriously consider a Nokia phone running WP7
Oh yeah, as the guy above me mentioned...... camera's......
The N95 camera was awesome. Not that I ever used it much. Im sure some people actually give a crap about that sort of thing though.

I appreciate the replies guys, many thanks.
Interesting takes. I'll be honest, I still don't get it. Nokia phones never really took off, so why would Microsoft make a deal with them? And if Nokia phones were so good, why weren't they best sellers? Bleh, I just asked the same question twice. Nevermind me, I'm in long-weekend mode.
/the Nokia concepts do look pretty tight

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Nokia phones never really took off, so why would Microsoft make a deal with them? And if Nokia phones were so good, why weren't they best sellers?
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They did and they were/are.
Nokia phones have always been the most popular, most bought etc. In 2007 Symbian had a smartphone marketshare of 67%. Symbian is still going strong in many European and Asian markets:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/18/smartphone-market-android-win-nokia-rim-lose

sure haven't said:
I appreciate the replies guys, many thanks.
Interesting takes. I'll be honest, I still don't get it. Nokia phones never really took off, so why would Microsoft make a deal with them? And if Nokia phones were so good, why weren't they best sellers? Bleh, I just asked the same question twice. Nevermind me, I'm in long-weekend mode.
/the Nokia concepts do look pretty tight
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the Nokia phone's hardware was/is pretty awesome. They were never best sellers because of the software, thus the deal.
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When I think of Nokia the first thing that comes to mind is hardware not software. Fortunately, the software part is handled by Windows Phone 7. I am very interested in a Nokia WP7 because the build quality will be outstanding and the optics will awesome. Add Mango to the equation and it'll be a hit, hopefully.
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sure haven't said:
I appreciate the replies guys, many thanks.
Interesting takes. I'll be honest, I still don't get it. Nokia phones never really took off, so why would Microsoft make a deal with them? And if Nokia phones were so good, why weren't they best sellers? Bleh, I just asked the same question twice. Nevermind me, I'm in long-weekend mode.
/the Nokia concepts do look pretty tight
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The answer is different depending on the region.
Nokia is big in Africa, Asia (incl India & Pakistan) and other developing nations. I recall reading an article explaining how they have a superior business model in these places.
I admit a little ignorance about Nokia in the last year in the UK but I would figure they still do reasonably well and probably took a hit in their high end offering (N series) and business offering (E series).
The E series for them used to be big. Remember, the E series before the E72 supported BB service and was wildly popular. Fast forward to now, when is the last time you have seen a Nokia smartphone advertise on T-Mobile / Verizon / AT&T? I know I cannot recall.
It cost Microsoft more than it cost Nokia, so Microsoft has more to lose. They both have lots to gain. The only thing I do hope is Nokia does not hoodwink Microsoft (keep developing Symbian, use some of what it learnt from WP7, and then push it out to compete).
But I think lots of people on this board would love to have a Mango Nokia phone.

I'm curious to see how this Nokia - WP7 marriage will infuence interface and customization.

Good to learn Ovi maps are coming to all WP7 platform.

doministry said:
I'm curious to see how this Nokia - WP7 marriage will infuence interface and customization.
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Nokia claims they will leave it stock despite having the green light to customize. I bet their thinking that they will have their own Marketplace area where only Nokia phones will be able to get software that will give them the leg up on the competition since they can put out some good stuff.
...until they stumble onto XDA and see people are using their stuff on HTC phones. Then things get ugly.

Yes, I can assure you Nokia is a strong brand and very famous in Asia. I would prefer Nokia's hardware over Samsung or HTC when Windows Phone 7 is officially available from Nokia.

Nokia is strong not only in Asia and Africa, it's strong in Europe as well. The only part of the world where it isn't is the US.
Also, contrary to a popular media story, they don't have big problems with sales, which are growing (albeit their market share declines because others are growing faster). They have a huge problem with costs, and specifically with huge R&D costs which are killing their bottom line. Symbian is doing rather well on mid- and low-end smartphones, but they long ago needed something else for the high end. They started development there but the costs are prohibitive. That's exactly what HP will find out in a year or two.

HP won't have those issues because WebOS does not have the issues that Symbian has. WebOS is a decent, modern OS right now. Symbian is just an aging OS that they continued to throw features in year after year. In the end, it can do almost anything, but it's a train wreck to use, and it's ugly - point blank.
Also, HP makes a ton of money in the PC Hardware/Printer business and can easily fund WebOS development. They also have their own Mainframe UNIX OS (HP-UX) and they sell that hardware as well. Funding Palm will not be a problem for HP, just as Funding Visual Studio/WP7 isn't an issue for Microsoft, or funding Solaris won't be an issue for Oracle...

It's not like Nokia doesn't have cash. It just costs too much to develop and maintain an OS if you aren't a software company. With multiple OEMs costs are spread, while when you go it alone you assume 100%. So you have to either make super profitable devices like Apple or to make dozens of them to make sure you sell lots and lots. HP is flushing money down the toilet, and they'll waste more over the years.

Nokia has been developing and maintaining Symbian for decades. They're as much a Software company as Palm was.
And the reason why their phones don't sell here is only half in fault of Symbian. In addition to having an OS they neglected to work on crap like Maemo/MeeGo/etc. they also used ridiculously cheap internals, put them in a nice build quality, and thought people here (many of us with money to spare) would buy that ****.
Who wants to buy an N8 with a crappy nHD screen resolution, Symbian, terrible processor, lacking in RAM, etc. for $600+ when they can get an iPhone or Android device with twice the specs and much more to offer? Cause the camera is good? Lol. Oh, it's cause Nokia build quality is awesome, even though maybe 75% of people put their smartphones in a case, anyways...
It has nothing to do with that. Nokia did what Microsoft did with Windows Mobile and they got plowed. That's what the issue is. Cost is not a factor, although developing a new OS from scratch MAY be. But nothing was stopping Nokia from revamping the Symbian UI and boosting their smartphone specs up (and using higher res screens). While cost may be a factor now, Symbian's "demise" wasn't instant. It happened over years-worth of time and if Nokia had been doing what they should have (just like Microsoft with Windows Mobile) they would not be in this situation today.
Microsoft basically took Windows CE and put a new user experience on top of it then called it Windows Phone 7. Nokia could have done the same with Symbian.
But to say that HP will have troubles with WebOS is what I really took notice of. It's a bit of a Naive statement to make.
People will probably even buy HP printers to get the WebOS tablets that come attached to them, Lol...
Now, an interesting tidbit is that every major smartphone OS that is developed for a manufacturer's own device seems to be packaged in terrible hardware (as in the internals/specs) - except Apple. Nokia, RIM, and Palm all have/had terrible internals in their phone. Even if in some cases the software was completely awesome (WebOS). Even then, Apple makes several concessions in their products to keep margins up (iPad 2/iTouch cameras, no HSPA+ in the iPhone, going from PowerPC to Intel on the Desktop, etc.).

Engadget's Review of Nokia Lumia 900

Before I get started I want to say before I read the Engadget review I have already read reviews from cnet, and the huffington Post.
I was really shocked by the review Engadget has published for the Lumia 900. The other three professional reviews I had read had mostly praises for the phone. They all mentioned the low display resolution limitation of current WP7 devices however they also never mentioned how stunning the display actually was. The color saturation and sunlight visibility of the screen appear to be amazing. Engadget fails to mention that but instead complains about how the screen isn't tapered.
To make it even worse they started a hardware article with 2 negative comments about the phone. The screen display and build quality. before I get into the build quality All I have to say is that unless you feel the phone is absolute crap you don't do this.
However all the other reviewed from other professional organizations and AT&T representatives have raved about the great the build quality is. Even Engadget employees sent to CES and MWC raved about this, so why now call it a negative?
Engadget, I am aware you believe the WP martetplace is disappointing because it has only 70000+ apps. However it has either all the main apps you actually use or a decent alternative. The marketplace doesn't need a lot of crappy apps, see google play, it just needs to have the ones you use. Seriously, who cares about fart apps or 50 apps all doing the exact same thing
Overall I felt this review was meant to downgrade the perception of the Nokia Lumia 900. It just doesn't fall in line with anyhting else I have read. I knew they had an apple and htc fetish but I still respected most of their reviews, however that changed today with this travesty.
I am even starting to think maybe Tim Cook called them directly to make sure AT&T pays for calling any other phone other than the iPhone 4S their "flagship."
** removed th verge review. I know I read another major professional review, I thought it was the verge but I guess it was someone else.

I thought the same thing. The reviewer seemed biased (against the phone) from the start. In contrast I just read the review on WPCentral and thought it was the best and most informative Lumia 900 review yet. Interestingly enough there is a comment at the end of that review that talks about the guy at Engadget and speculates he is known for disliking anything Microsoft.

Actually Engadget review was more favorable to Lumia 900 than Verge review.

If you write Engadget on a piece of paper, then hold it in front of a mirror, and angle it just so...it will say. ... Enohpi

Verge's review was worse, watch it on youtube

nokiaqueen said:
Verge's review was worse, watch it on youtube
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No doubt it was the worst review. He likes the hardware for the most part, but slams the WP7 os, giving the os a lower score than when they reviewed the 800. Just confirms to me that Topolsky really is a MS hater. Some of his complaints sound like a typical Android fanboy, classics such as 'single core cpu' and 'low resolution screen'.

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No doubt it was the worst review. He likes the hardware for the most part, but slams the WP7 os, giving the os a lower score than when they reviewed the 800. Just confirms to me that Topolsky really is a MS hater. Some of his complaints sound like a typical Android fanboy, classics such as 'single core cpu' and 'low resolution screen'.
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Just watched it and it definitely looks like he wanted to take an opportunity to say how much he doesn't like the Windows Phone OS. That's fine if he doesn't like it but shouldn't he be reviewing the phone and how it works with the OS? Definite biased review - like he really didn't even want to use the phone because it has WP on it.

Everyone has opinions, and he's entitled to his. He doesn't like it, and its his job to share his opinion. My son tried windows phone, then went back to android. He sounded like this guy. He could pick things out...this and that, and did not consider the overall experience. Thats fine. There are lots of things to love in android, and lots of things to love in Windows phone. Pick what works for you.
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I was just reading the CNET review.
One of the strange things I saw in the Engadget review was the comment, I won't fit in your pocket...or something like that. I thought that was a strange thing to say. For those obviously looking for something to hang on to..yeah...its bigger. But...the way he said it..like somebody else said...it was obvious he didn't even want to do the review.
Anyway...the CNET review uses...get this...the Cyan 900 half in, half out of the pocket. I had to laugh...scared the cat, who knocked by bowl of cereal off my desk. Which gives me just another reason to not watch ENiphoneGADGET reviews anymore.

Unfortunately, this review confirms that it has same crappy camera as Lumia 800 does. Well, that was expected, but stiil, there were some hints and i had hopes...

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Unfortunately, this review confirms that it has same crappy camera as Lumia 800 does. Well, that was expected, but stiil, there were some hints and i had hopes...
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Actually, this review does nothing of the sort. You have a guy, who obviously does not even want to touch the phone, doing a review that searches for anything nice to say. According to him, this phone is a bottom dweller and he needs to disinfect his hands, immediately.
Thats not to say the camera is in deed good. I've heard good, I've heard bad. Persoanlly I use a camera phone for quick shots, and only 1 time in my many phones has a camera on a phone not been good enough for that...the Dell Venue Pro. Otherwise...I've been good. Of course my expectations do not include front cover Vogue shots.

The Verge review was unbelievably biased. I had hoped for more from that site after they picked up Tom Warren, but no luck. Just as lame as Engadget.
I think the worst I read was on Pocketnow. I don't event think the reviewer ever used the phone. He used a stock photo of 2 iPhones to compare the screen resolution.

With so many android phones out there, most of the sites do cater to android and apple...as they should. Most hard core android users have nothing good to say about wp or apple. Most apple users have nothing good to say about android or wp. They simply don't realize they lose their credibility by acting unbiased.
With hundreds of thousands of androids being registered everyday, I wonder why any other phone is ever going to be released.
All but the most hardcore of users fail to realize the lack of quality hardware and software wise on an android phone. Hardcore users can mod and tweek and do this and that...I used to be because they can...but now I lean towards because they have to.
I had the pleasure of working for a company that tested windows phones before the original release. I was majorly disappointed. I came to realize later that dissapointment was because my expectations were too high. I was looking for shooting stars and glitzy this and that. What MS focused on was pure reliablity. After a year I reset my expectations and the Windows Phone, IMO, is far superior than other phones. It works every time. I came back to the HD7 and Dell Venue Pro, moved to the Samsung Focus S and now on to the Lumia 900. I have not been disappointed yet. I've adjusted my expectation to the WP and use the People tab, and Messaging Hub and think of these things as the better way. My daughter just converted to the Lumia 710 from android...why....because of reliability. My son is still on android after trying WP...but he's a modder.
So I watch these reviews and laugh....every review they say this is their favorite phone ever....uh huh...why...cause their last favorite got to have android phone doesn't work any more....oh well...must be a verizon customer.

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All but the most hardcore of users fail to realize the lack of quality hardware and software wise on an android phone. Hardcore users can mod and tweek and do this and that...I used to be because they can...but now I lean towards because they have to.
I had the pleasure of working for a company that tested windows phones before the original release. I was majorly disappointed. I came to realize later that dissapointment was because my expectations were too high. I was looking for shooting stars and glitzy this and that. What MS focused on was pure reliablity. After a year I reset my expectations and the Windows Phone, IMO, is far superior than other phones. It works every time.
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This time's 1000+. The majority of my friends are not tech heads. They just want their devices to work. The ones who have gone to WP7 have all said the same thing - they love it. Its quick, easy to use, and looks good. They could care less about modding or skinning their phones, or how many cores it has, how much ram, or the screen resolution.
When it comes to WP7, MS should really steal Apple's moto of 'it just works', and it works well.

I must've read 10+ reviews since they all came out last night. The overall response is positive. I think Verge and Engadget had the harshest reviews comparing apps and camera quality to the 4s and Nexus.
2 things I don't care much about. None of the bad reviews have me second guessing my decision to switch from my iPhone 4.
Can't wait till the 9th!

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I must've read 10+ reviews since they all came out last night. The overall response is positive. I think Verge and Engadget had the harshest reviews comparing apps and camera quality to the 4s and Nexus.
2 things I don't care much about. None of the bad reviews have me second guessing my decision to switch from my iPhone 4.
Can't wait till the 9th!
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Same here on all of that!

You guys see Walt's? I had a good laugh on that one. He did Steve proud.

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You guys see Walt's? I had a good laugh on that one. He did Steve proud.
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Do you have a link to check out?

watch this review guys, best yet. aaron speaks from his own personal experiance, not what people want or like to hear.
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXbFzZ4taY
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBMc9qNaT8c
pretty sure im getting this phone now. he didnt complain about screen resolution and he liked it after just using the galaxy nexus for 15 days
i read somewhere Nokia is working on another patch for the camera on the 900, do any of you know if this is true? every review says the camera is "okay".. i expect more from nokia

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No doubt it was the worst review. He likes the hardware for the most part, but slams the WP7 os, giving the os a lower score than when they reviewed the 800. Just confirms to me that Topolsky really is a MS hater. Some of his complaints sound like a typical Android fanboy, classics such as 'single core cpu' and 'low resolution screen'.
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I read all of these reviews today and they really got off topic of the Device and got on the OS. So I took it upon myself to Tweet both Verge and engadget to see what the Lumia 900 has to do, to be as good as Android or iOS. The things they gripped about such as the third party apps lagging, same thing that happens on iOS and Android so that argument isnt valid. Of course I didnt get a reply from them. I agree the OS is missing some things but the device funtions well and does what its suppose to do.
And IM SICK AND TIRED of people bashing WP for not having multi Cores, if anything it should show everyone that you dont need multi cores to operate well. They tend to bash the specs but WP functions just as fast as any other OS but with lower specs. Most people dont even care about specs as long as it works well and does what its suppose to.

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watch this review guys, best yet. aaron speaks from his own personal experiance, not what people want or like to hear.
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXbFzZ4taY
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBMc9qNaT8c
pretty sure im getting this phone now. he didnt complain about screen resolution and he liked it after just using the galaxy nexus for 15 days
i read somewhere Nokia is working on another patch for the camera on the 900, do any of you know if this is true? every review says the camera is "okay".. i expect more from nokia
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Thanks for posting the link to the PhoneDog review. It was definitely positive and he compared it to other phones and operating systems and based his review on the phone itself while pointing out how the WP OS works.
You guys are right that it's like TheVerge and Engadget reviewer's did as little as they could to explore around the phone and know how to use the OS. All I got from them was "The Lumia 900 is a nice phone but man do we hate this OS. So we overall the score is a 5 out of 10". I can't believe they get paid to be lazy.

Don't buy another WP or support MS, here is why:

With the release of WP8 and cutoff of supports for the current WP7 lineups, MS just shot themselves in the foot by doing two things:
_ Introduce fragmentation: now developers have to work extra harder to support both the existing WP7.x customers and the new WP8 customer base.
_ Piss off and alienating all the customers that have been with MS through ups and downs: note that this is more important because WP has never been popular, most people will either get an Android or iPhone and only the loyal and diehards get WP7. With this announcement, MS has effectively give all its loyal users the middle finger. For users who haven't abandoned WP despite being shafted by the whole HD2 and WM6.5 fiasco, this will be the LAST STRAW, trust me.
A bit about my phone history, I have had an HD2, a Samsung Focus and a Dell Venue Pro but no more, I will not give M$ another chance. Trick me once, shame on you, trick me twice shame on me. History will repeat itself, MS will once again abandon users of WP8 and WP8.5 when announcing WP9. The only ones who haven't realized this is the die-hard MS fanboys who are keep on coming back to M$ no matter how bad M$ treats them.
Heed my advices, give other platforms a try and use this as a breakup point for this abusive relationship. M$ doesn't deserve your money and your time. Use that money to buy something that will be properly supported and more importantly you will be treated like a valuable customer.

that is what i'm planning to do, the WP7.5 market is still under 100k apps if i'm not mistaken, if i'm a developer, do i actually continue to make SW for the 7.5 or 8 group? if i start producing for 8, how much customer base does M$ gonna guarantee to have? i'm switching back to android for my next phone, but for the time being, i'll still use the 900 for some period of time coz i actually like the design... but M$ just gave another reason for developer NOT to develop apps for them...

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that is what i'm planning to do, the WP7.5 market is still under 100k apps if i'm not mistaken, if i'm a developer, do i actually continue to make SW for the 7.5 or 8 group? if i start producing for 8, how much customer base does M$ gonna guarantee to have? i'm switching back to android for my next phone, but for the time being, i'll still use the 900 for some period of time coz i actually like the design... but M$ just gave another reason for developer NOT to develop apps for them...
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TROLLS.....Ask yourself this question:
If you have a 3GS iphone with IOS 5 is it the same as the 4s??
MS will update all phones but if you don't have the hardware to take full advantage of OS it is NOT their fault.
Apple, Android and everybody else do the same...

Enough with this iPhone 3GS BS, the 3GS is over 3 years old. How long are you fanboys going to use that as an excuse to justify how the Lumia users were treated ?
If you want to compare, let's compare iPhone 4. iPhone 4 was released in 2010 but they are still supported, they have the iOS 5 and will be able to take advantage of the iOS 6 kernel. You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
Stop fooling yourself and wake up. If you don't want to wake up, suit yourself. I am out of this rocky boat and will move to where I will be treated better.

Apple still omits some features from older phones when a new version of iOS is released. iOS 5 was released and the iPhone 4 didn't get Siri, however that phone is fully capable of running Siri. Talk about getting screwed.
Android users a lot of times don't even get the updates they need, it all depends on the device they have, and new/replacement Android phones are released at an insane rate as well.
By the time WP8 is released the Lumia will be roughly 7-8 months old.
I don't think Lumia 900 owners are totally getting screwed.
I am glad Microsoft will be adding some of features the Lumia 900 will be able to run efficiently. Otherwise adding full blown WP8 to the device may bog it down and it will run terrible.
The Lumia 900 also lacks the hardware for some of the new features such as NFC. Why add these software features to a phone that cannot take advantage of them.
This is how Apple, Google and Microsoft all do business.

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Enough with this iPhone 3GS BS, the 3GS is over 3 years old. How long are you fanboys going to use that as an excuse to justify how the Lumia users were treated ?
If you want to compare, let's compare iPhone 4. iPhone 4 was released in 2010 but they are still supported, they have the iOS 5 and will be able to take advantage of the iOS 6 kernel. You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
Stop fooling yourself and wake up. If you don't want to wake up, suit yourself. I am out of this rocky boat and will move to where I will be treated better.
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Very well said and the Lumia is way newer than older iPhone models that still got big chunks of the updates.

If Microsoft released WP8 for the Lumia and the phone couldn't handle it and ran sluggish people would *****, instead they are releasing WP 7.8 for it and people are *****ing.
No matter what Microsoft does, people are going to whine about it.
Welcome to the world of tech. If you are always worried about not having the latest and greatest, then you'd spend your time waiting for the next great device 3-6 months from now and you'd never buy a phone.

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You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
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Except that is exactly what is happening. It can't run every iOS 6 feature, including the headlining turn-by-turn navigation. It can't even run the headline iOS 5 feature, that's iPhone 4S exclusive too.
If Microsoft had just basically lied and called this the Windows Phone 8 update with some missing features, there would be no uproar. But because they opted not to take the Apple route, everyone's got their knickers in a twist.

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Except that is exactly what is happening. It can't run every iOS 6 feature, including the headlining turn-by-turn navigation. It can't even run the headline iOS 5 feature, that's iPhone 4S exclusive too.
If Microsoft had just basically lied and called this the Windows Phone 8 update with some missing features, there would be no uproar. But because they opted not to take the Apple route, everyone's got their knickers in a twist.
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I agree , the iphone 4 and 4S ,won't have NFC features ... No android phone has gotten an update in a timely fashion. Nokia and Ms are on top of it.
Plus with WP there is no need for Dual core and sd cards that is reserved for memory hogs with leaks , I won't mention names.

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With the release of WP8 and cutoff of supports for the current WP7 lineups...
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I stopped reading your uninformed rant right there. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the subject matter if you want people to take you seriously.

And every new iPhone comes out with 1 or two new exclusive features while the rest comes to older generations because of their appropriately phrased "hardware upgrade". WP is what? New generation has many new features while older generations get maybe 1 or 2 new things? Now if you think Apple is doing it wrong and MS is doing the right thing, it's time to look at sales chart and consumer satisfaction. Oh maybe you still think MS is right and ignore that very few people are with you on this boat.
Android, on the other hand, is well known for its fragmentation in update, everyone is aware of it. The deal is, Gingerbread is almost complete. Android is like an arm race "may the most powerful phone win" kind of thing. Android never boasts about update but the Nexus line did get its update. Had MS had enough balls to confirm the fate of the Lumia 900 before its launch, I doubt the sexy phone would have seen the light of day. Now if WP8 announces another type of marketplace, that would mean a death certificate has been signed for WP7.
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Except that is exactly what is happening. It can't run every iOS 6 feature, including the headlining turn-by-turn navigation. It can't even run the headline iOS 5 feature, that's iPhone 4S exclusive too.
If Microsoft had just basically lied and called this the Windows Phone 8 update with some missing features, there would be no uproar. But because they opted not to take the Apple route, everyone's got their knickers in a twist.
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Enough with this iPhone 3GS BS, the 3GS is over 3 years old. How long are you fanboys going to use that as an excuse to justify how the Lumia users were treated ?
If you want to compare, let's compare iPhone 4. iPhone 4 was released in 2010 but they are still supported, they have the iOS 5 and will be able to take advantage of the iOS 6 kernel. You don't see iPhone 4 was made obsolete and cannot run iOS 5 or iOS 6 application.
Stop fooling yourself and wake up. If you don't want to wake up, suit yourself. I am out of this rocky boat and will move to where I will be treated better.
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if you want an iPhone, go buy an iPhone. But don't use wp8 as the excuse. Fanboy or no, any argument used to defend your point is wrong. Apple foes the same thing. Android is worse. So if you want an iPhone,go buy one. I hope you end up happy.

Ok, iPhone 4 might not be able to run all features available in iOS 6 but it has iOS 6 kernel and will be able to use all the apps made for iOS 6, what part of that do you guys not understand ?
Lumia 900 WILL NOT have the new kernel in WP8 and will be obsolete in a few months since it WILL NOT run apps made exclusively for WP8. Do you see iPhone 4 not being able to run any apps made exclusively for iPhone 4S ? Some features in iOS 6 are not included since any company has the right to reserve the latest and best features for their latest models. Everybody knows that.
Talking with you M$ fanboys is no better than talking to a brick. If you like the way you are treated, then good for you. Keep up supporting your beloved company, nobody is going to interfere. This thread is mainly for the new buyers or for the undecided to see how they have been f*cked by M$.

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if you want an iPhone, go buy an iPhone. But don't use wp8 as the excuse. Fanboy or no, any argument used to defend your point is wrong. Apple foes the same thing. Android is worse. So if you want an iPhone,go buy one. I hope you end up happy.
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Wow I am speechless, this kind of ignorance is simply staggering. I was citing how Apple supports their customers, not a propaganda on why people should buy an iPhone.
And FYI, I WILL NOT buy an iPhone because I oppose Apple and their business practice. Instead, I will buy a Galaxy Nexus because I know I will be properly supported. Almost bought a Nokia Lumia 800 but luckily I didn't.
Already sold all my WP7 phones prior to the announcement since I had a bad feeling about it, luckily I did because people are dumping their phones on ebay now and Nokia Lumia 900 has been dropping in its value like crazy. If you don't believe me, check ebay. Have fun with your outdated and obsolete POS Nokia Lumia, folks.

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With the release of WP8 and cutoff of supports for the current WP7 lineups, MS just shot themselves in the foot by doing two things:
_ Introduce fragmentation: now developers have to work extra harder to support both the existing WP7.x customers and the new WP8 customer base.
_ Piss off and alienating all the customers that have been with MS through ups and downs: note that this is more important because WP has never been popular, most people will either get an Android or iPhone and only the loyal and diehards get WP7. With this announcement, MS has effectively give all its loyal users the middle finger. For users who haven't abandoned WP despite being shafted by the whole HD2 and WM6.5 fiasco, this will be the LAST STRAW, trust me.
A bit about my phone history, I have had an HD2, a Samsung Focus and a Dell Venue Pro but no more, I will not give M$ another chance. Trick me once, shame on you, trick me twice shame on me. History will repeat itself, MS will once again abandon users of WP8 and WP8.5 when announcing WP9. The only ones who haven't realized this is the die-hard MS fanboys who are keep on coming back to M$ no matter how bad M$ treats them.
Heed my advices, give other platforms a try and use this as a breakup point for this abusive relationship. M$ doesn't deserve your money and your time. Use that money to buy something that will be properly supported and more importantly you will be treated like a valuable customer.
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your premise already flawed. "Piss off and alienate all MS customers that have been through the UPS and downs"
I for one am neither pissed off nor alienated. I bought the first PPC v1 from MS. I've owned every version of windows mobile...several on fact. I've owned android and iPhones. I am NOT pissed off or alienated. And I count many, make that MANY people on XDA alone that are more like me, than you. I applause MS for drawing a line...so, so...i do not have problems trying to get 'NEXT' to run correctly in my phone. So my 'NEXT' phone can focus on running as well as it can. I also expect WP 9, or whatever to make the same hard choices.
I also know that as long as I keep my 900, it will be supported. It is not obsolete. It will only be obsolete when it stops being able to do what I bought it for. I know it will still be supported, long after I stop using it.
I respect your opinion. I respect your right to feel shafted. I respectfully say, you're wrong. This is still a great phone with a great future.
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Wow I am speechless, this kind of ignorance is simply staggering. I was citing how Apple supports their customers, not a propaganda on why people should buy an iPhone.
And FYI, I WILL NOT buy an iPhone because I oppose Apple and their business practice. Instead, I will buy a Galaxy Nexus because I know I will be properly supported. Almost bought a Nokia Lumia 800 but luckily I didn't.
Already sold all my WP7 phones prior to the announcement since I had a bad feeling about it, luckily I did because people are dumping their phones on ebay now and Nokia Lumia 900 has been dropping in its value like crazy. If you don't believe me, check ebay. Have fun with your outdated and obsolete POS Nokia Lumia, folks.
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man...why couldn't you have become speechless, before you wrong this reply. Leave, please. Buy whatever device you wish. That Samsung is surely the greatest plone in the word...including explosions and plastic case. Its predecessor proved just how great android is. Have fun...enjoy...and please don't reply..my pos lumia doesn't explode, but it might get offended considering the galaxy of information you've presented.

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Lumia 900 WILL be obsolete in a few months since it WILL NOT run apps made exclusively for WP8.
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Whether you agree with the guy or not, that is a very valid point he is making!
We all know how good a smartphone is nowadays without lots of apps. (Symbian, WebOS, etc...)

Why don't we all take a deep breath, relax, and see if the creative geniuses a.k.a xda developers can cook something up when WP8 comes out. Shall we?

AnyMal said:
Why don't we all take a deep breath, relax, and see if the creative geniuses a.k.a xda developers can cook something up when WP8 comes out. Shall we?
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With the way MS has everything closed, I am starting to lose my hope. If it were to rain, we'd start seeing clouds by now

if people keep whining about every os that they have on their phone. Why dont you build your own OS from scratch. Sell it to someone. Let them hear complain about your stuff. DEYMN!!!
Go back to Dumb phone era so you could stop complaining

I'm not happy. I was expecting a WP 8 update. I want to know, however, what features are WP 7 users really not getting in 7.8?
NFC? - Don't have the hardware
higher resolution/dual cores etc - Not an expert but I'm guessing this can't be done
Wallet Hub- Needs NFC anyway I would think.
Better multitasking - This one would be nice to have, but I wouldn't be surprised if they included better multi-tasking for the lumia 900...if not...that sucks
Better Camera app - wouldn't be surprised if we got this...if not...what more funtionality does the camera app really need? Nokia camera just came out with panorama shots...you can get apps with burst shots...what are really lacking?
Believe me, I'm not happy about any of this...the behind our backs marketing of lumia 900 as the non-beta phone etc etc...i think it's a scam....but...what arguement are we actually making? What else do you want to see in the WP 7.8 package? I'm not saying this to say "you're wrong" I'm asking this because I honestly don't know the answer. If the update comes with better multitasking, start screen, and the guarantee that apps will work the same on 7.8 as on wp8...and that none of these features will create lag on the phone...i will be perfectly content...then again I was content when my HTC aria go android 2.2...with no flash player capabilities...I don't think any of these damn companies have gotten their acts together...but I'm pissed Nokia went behind our backs not telling us the truth just to make a couple bucks.

Maybe I'm not average, but here's why I'm happy w/ my Lumia 900...

This post talks about a lot of devices besides the Lumia and as a result it is a little long, so I've bolded the key points for speed readers
I went on vacation last week and come back to an uproar about current devices not getting Windows 8 Phone updates (better name ), and honestly I really don't understand the vastness of the unrest. I get the points people make, but the conclusions are way out there for me!
My family is reasonably well equipped technology wise. I have an Alienware m17x, a 1st gen iPad, a Nokia Lumia 900, and a PS3. My wife has a Mac Book Pro 15, an iPad 2, and an iPhone 4s. The kids are on a Gateway desktop with an i7 in the living room. The kids also have iPods, one has a Pantec phone, several DS and LeapFrog devices. Rounding it all out is a smart Logitec universal touch screen remote, a sling box, several access points and a Wii. For the most part, we each pick the device that suits us best and fits in the price range / budget we set.
We also have laying around, an old Mac Book Pro 13, an iPhone 3s, an iPod, an 8 year old Dell XPS desktop, an HTC HD7, a Samsung Focus, a Tilt and a Tilt II, and an old Palm Tungsten C. And of course several candy bar and flip phone cells and various MP3 players, language translators and hand-held game thingies.
There's no way in hell I can have all of these devices on the crest of the technology wave all at once, we just can't afford it (in fact, my wife isn't so thrilled with how well stocked we are now... but there are times she's very happy with it :laugh.
My next major purchase will be a Win8 Tablet. I absolutely need to replace the iPad for work - the thing is a toy. In my quest for the ultimate portable work slate / play device, nothing out there has attracted my attention. Lack of connectivity, poor performance, a craptacular crayon-style writing on the iPad, lack-luster hardware, and the fact that I would also like an 11 to 13-inch screen has kept my money in my pocket. Obviously, I'm holding out until Win8 and the right tablet is there (eying the Yoga Flip closely!).
With the announcement of smart glass at E3, the urge was to jump on the deals and grab an XBox 360. ESPECIALLY since I could hook up all those iOS and possible future 'droid devices too! But, without BluRay support, I'm not going to bother. And with the next tablet purchase coming later this year (fingers crossed the right one is there in the next 6 months...), and with the 720 being rumored for the holidays next year. I'm waiting on switching from PS to XBOX when the 720 comes out, assuming the next-gen PS doesn't keep me in Sony Land.
It should be noted that along with the smart glass upgrade, I'll be looking at my existing Yamaha receiver and possibly upgrading that as well - my 5 year old model is good enough, but there are improvements out there and better ways to hook up the living room 'rack' - so that's also factored into the actual cost.
Which brings me to my jumping on the Lumia the day after it was available: I bought the Lumia knowing the risks of not being Win8 ready. I took the other slant with this upgrade as opposed to my next game machine and PC/Slate/Untrabook. I was contract-ready with AT&T, the price was right (and a few days later it was $0 - but they had me at $99), it had just enough improvements over my HD7 to entice me, and I didn't see me waiting until Q4 2012 or even Q1 or 2 2013 to get the phone upgraded.
Maybe it's within the context of all of the technology purchases I've got going on in my life that the Lumia 900 is just right for me. It is, by far, hands down, the BEST phone I've ever had. Excellent battery life, excellent responsiveness, great connectivity, and much to my amazement: the BEST reception and call clarity I've ever experienced on a smart phone. (I'm the only one in our downtown MPLS building who can send and receive calls anywhere on the campus, and never loose my 4G data connection).
I've been shocked at the excellent support from Nokia app-wise, and firmware-wise, and am very happy for the WP community to benefit from further integration of Nokia apps for non-Nokia phones. This phone, which I use first and foremost as a mobile phone (this part just HAS to be rock-solid for me), for all my e-mail all day long, for my browsing, gaming / entertainment, news and feed reading, and music play back is perfect for me as-is. The WP 7.8 update is just extras I didn't even expect.
No regrets. None. Nil. Not even close. I've purchased too many phones, computers, tablets, and other odd-n-ends to expect today's buy to still be tomorrow's top device. It NEVER works that way. 1 month later, the next device is just around the corner. 2 months later, another OS has better devices and features. 6 months later (or less) a new device is on my network for WP with new features I can't get on my current device. I had no reason to expect this to be my last phone purchase :silly:
Bigger screen support, NFC, multi-core... duh. I mean DUH if you thought this device would stand up to next-gen hardware. If you have a Nokia 900 and are upset it isn't the model being released in 6 months then you've got a significant learning curve ahead of you for all the other things in your life that you'll be buying. No way around it - it doesn't feel good, but it's an obvious truth. To expect otherwise is to believe in a spaghetti monster living on the other side of the moon. Sorry, but it's true.
When I do upgrade my phone, it'll be Nokia and it'll be W8P (still a better name, even at the end of this post :angel and it'll be cutting edge when it's that device's turn to get the latest and greatest.
Sorry for the length of my post, but the negativity around here is just plain silly and not worth the effort (for those experiencing it, and those of us who have to sift through it to get to actual facts).
Edit: I should have added that I am VERY happy with the updates I will get for my existing hardware, and also that I'm VERY happy that W8P will not support existing hardware. My reasons are that the hardware is improving at an extraordinary rate, and when I do get my next device I'll have one that has an OS that isn't bogged down with backwards compatibility issues - something that plagued windows for so many years until the hardware leveled out.

So I am only going to comment on one part of your post which is that you will probably get the Nokia WP8 when it comes out. I think you should say if it comes out. Nokia only started doing really well with this handset. Now Microsoft and the. Continue to push a handset with no upgrade path after making big news of an upgrade.
I have seen this when I worked at a tech retail store. People plan to wait when upgrades are around the corner. It is why Microsoft free or minimal cost software upgrades on purchases bought before the upgrade. They are doing this with Windows 8 because they know it would slow down sales.
So hopefully Nokia survives because as you can see from the posts Microsoft has alienated a lot of people and it is Nokia and any other Gen 2 device manufacturers who stand to loose sales. Lucky for Samsung and HTC they have Android to fall back on unlike Nokia. The biggest thing is that many of these people are the ones who recommend tech to others and rightfully would not recommend a device 6 months old with no upgrade path.

jr97ai said:
So I am only going to comment on one part of your post which is that you will probably get the Nokia WP8 when it comes out. I think you should say if it comes out. Nokia only started doing really well with this handset. Now Microsoft and the. Continue to push a handset with no upgrade path after making big news of an upgrade.
I have seen this when I worked at a tech retail store. People plan to wait when upgrades are around the corner. It is why Microsoft free or minimal cost software upgrades on purchases bought before the upgrade. They are doing this with Windows 8 because they know it would slow down sales.
So hopefully Nokia survives because as you can see from the posts Microsoft has alienated a lot of people and it is Nokia and any other Gen 2 device manufacturers who stand to loose sales. Lucky for Samsung and HTC they have Android to fall back on unlike Nokia. The biggest thing is that many of these people are the ones who recommend tech to others and rightfully would not recommend a device 6 months old with no upgrade path.
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Actually, only the un-happy are noisy. Most people I actually know and talk too either couldn't care less, or are perfectly fine with it. Nokia will be fine. MS will be fine. WP8, Win8, and XBox will be just fine. There are ALWAYS people who scream dooms-day, but it never comes. Everything is always just fine

jr97ai said:
So I am only going to comment on one part of your post which is that you will probably get the Nokia WP8 when it comes out. I think you should say if it comes out. Nokia only started doing really well with this handset. Now Microsoft and the. Continue to push a handset with no upgrade path after making big news of an upgrade.
I have seen this when I worked at a tech retail store. People plan to wait when upgrades are around the corner. It is why Microsoft free or minimal cost software upgrades on purchases bought before the upgrade. They are doing this with Windows 8 because they know it would slow down sales.
So hopefully Nokia survives because as you can see from the posts Microsoft has alienated a lot of people and it is Nokia and any other Gen 2 device manufacturers who stand to loose sales. Lucky for Samsung and HTC they have Android to fall back on unlike Nokia. The biggest thing is that many of these people are the ones who recommend tech to others and rightfully would not recommend a device 6 months old with no upgrade path.
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Totally wrong uninformed.....

I also am happy with my lumia 900 and also it was a decision I made whether to wait for WP8 or not.. ( I was actually waiting for the Lumia 900 as it had a front facing camera against the lumia 800).
There is always new tech coming out every 3 months a so and you either wait or get what is on offer that suits your need.
Regarding the WP8 update I am not so much bothered ( only regret is the nokia pureview camera 808).
I come from a Samsung galaxy S2 and the for me the SGS2 has been the best android device by far and the SGS3 didn't appeal to me at all, besides people were always complaing How most apps were not optimised to use the DUAL CORE of the SGS2.
Similiar things will happen when WP8 comes around there will be fewer apps and most current DEVS will keep developing for WP7 as they have just about got hang of it. So it will be atleast another year or so when we see Quality apps both for WP8 and Windows 8 which is just starting out as well, by which time I will be ready to purchace my Second Gen WP8 Just like my Second Gen lumia 900.
NFC is also not very popular in the UK at present and probably you will get NFC through sim cards or as stickers.
Till Next year my Lumia 900 rocks.. and then I will have decided about my next phone

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Totally wrong uninformed.....
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All I am going to do is laugh that you would write 3 weeks without explaining what it is applied to.. If its my whole post then I'm not sure how you can say I am wrong on the Windows upgrade offers which are true and I know from experience. The same goes for people holding off on purchases because of upgrades.... Its not my opinion... its from experience since I worked at a Retail Big Box store.
In regards to the part about Nokia and the risk here not sure how I am uninformed as there are numerous people saying this could stall sales:
http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Windows-Phone-8--What-s-the-Impact-/story.xhtml?story_id=111008O891L0
Once again... it is wide spread knowledge that Nokia is not doing as well as was expected as mentioned below:
http://www.gsminsider.com/2012/06/no-windows-phone-8-updates-for-all.html
and here is another article talking about the risk to Generation 2 device sales...
http://nothingwired.com/2012/06/21/older-windows-phone-will-7-8-upgrade-windows-phone-8/
Btw, I could reference many other articles written by people who are not just owners upset by the lack of upgrade.
But apparently I am misinformed and only "negative noisy" people believe this....
Maybe you are misinformed....

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All I am going to do is laugh that you would write 3 weeks without explaining what it is applied to.. If its my whole post then I'm not sure how you can say I am wrong on the Windows upgrade offers which are true and I know from experience. The same goes for people holding off on purchases because of upgrades.... Its not my opinion... its from experience since I worked at a Retail Big Box store.
In regards to the part about Nokia and the risk here not sure how I am uninformed as there are numerous people saying this could stall sales:
http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Windows-Phone-8--What-s-the-Impact-/story.xhtml?story_id=111008O891L0
Once again... it is wide spread knowledge that Nokia is not doing as well as was expected as mentioned below:
http://www.gsminsider.com/2012/06/no-windows-phone-8-updates-for-all.html
and here is another article talking about the risk to Generation 2 device sales...
http://nothingwired.com/2012/06/21/older-windows-phone-will-7-8-upgrade-windows-phone-8/
Btw, I could reference many other articles written by people who are not just owners upset by the lack of upgrade.
But apparently I am misinformed and only "negative noisy" people believe this....
Maybe you are misinformed....
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Blah ... Blah... Blah... go buy Iphone...

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Blah ... Blah... Blah... go buy Iphone...
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MS made a few diehard fans happy while the consumer base shifts away from WP, go figure. You don't have to tell people to go buy an iPhone. In fact, MS WANTS people to state "go buy a WP." Will anyone say this? Hell no, not even you.
A few people being noisy here are actually people who have been defending MS since the age of WM, like me. The rest who left simply left because they didn't even care throwing a word back. I know for a fact that I can't find a single ground to back MS any longer. Feature wise? No, too obvious. Fluidity? No because phones nowadays are supercharged, 2-3 seconds faster doesn't mean crap to fill up the gap of features. Update path? complete BS.
You can be sheeps for WP 8 to hopefully help it gain grounds. I know I will join the base once the damn thing becomes well established.

Why are ppl so much bothered about updates?
I bought my Lumia 900 simply because it looks awsome and is more reliable than any other smarthphone i have used. Surely it has bad points too but i dont give a damn.
I use my Lumia 900 to its last breath everyday, i am heave tweeter, emailing surfig gaming, calling etc. WP7 is perfect as it is, it only needs some minor touches.
Same goes for Android and IOS (in their childhood days, these OSes were not complete either, Infact IOS is still struggling with main features.
I was too keen on recieveing updates on my older phones but each time i updated problems started to come along. As soon as my Xperia X10 got updated to 2.3 i sold it after a week. My galaxy s2 when got updated to ICS i sold it after 3 days due to amount of FC and other lags. My Iphone 3gs i sold it after one week when got updated to IOS 4
Pls guys grow up.

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MS made a few diehard fans happy while the consumer base shifts away from WP
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Got some facts or figures to back that up?
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A few people being noisy here are actually people who have been defending MS since the age of WM, like me. The rest who left simply left because they didn't even care throwing a word back.
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Key word: Few. Well, 2 key words then: noisy.
I've seen this happen so many times before: Video games, TV shows, politics, religion... none of it ever comes true. A few leave in a huff, noisily disgruntled, and the rest continue on without any problems.
There's no dooms day, there's no market share problem, there's no negative impact what so ever with sales. Drag my post up in 6 months and prove me wrong about that, but I sincerely doubt that it will end up any other way.
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I know for a fact that I can't find a single ground to back MS any longer.
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This is the only truth you've stated. It's your choice, always has been, always will be. And there's nothing wrong with your position, as it fits you at this time.
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You can be sheeps for WP 8 to hopefully help it gain grounds. I know I will join the base once the damn thing becomes well established.
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Don't really feel like a sheep - heck, I posted the opposite of the current flavor of the week as far as opinions. And what I stated was my choice, always has been, always will be.

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Blah ... Blah... Blah... go buy Iphone...
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Wy dont you at least post something pertinant to the conversation? The forums are made for discussion and thats what we are doing. I respect peoples opinions here if they agree or disagree with me but yours are plain useless.
I dont have to go and buy another phone because I have issues with what is happening. I hate the Iphone and have pushed the devices even after I bought a 6.5 device only to find out it couldnt be upgraded to 7.
I didnt have another 400 plus dollars to drop on a wp 7 device so I took an android device from my provider. I liked it alot and it received both a Gingerbread update and ICS. But I wanted a Windows phone so I bought the Samsung Focus which I just replaced it with the Lumia.
What frustrates me is that people are putting words in our mouths here. I dont hear anyone who complained saying they hate the Lumia or that they expect to get an update with features that apply to hardware that doesnt exist.
They just want an upgrade path such as the one Microsoft is providing to those who buy a pc before Windows 8 is released.
I may be wrong but hardware was quoted as the reason that WM devices didnt get an update but the HTC HD device proved that was not true. I dont believe that if Microsoft Windows specs are not even dual core that wp8 cantnbe ported. In my mind its a case of dont want to, not cant. If that was the answer as much as that would be frustrating I would respect it more then the "we can't".
In summary I will post my opinion and if you dont like it go read some static website with no discussion or coments.

What can you do to defend MS this time eh? If you think you can, then perhaps you might be interested in being the marketing general manager for MS that Gavin Kim left after 5 months. Pay rate is nice, I guess, but the job will be very, very tough.
When people leave, they simply leave without a comment (who cares really for a oh-so product?) The ones throwing comments are those who have been trying to back MS and become alienated by the very same company. You find it noisy? You have the choice to sit back and be quiet. By joining in you opt to be noisy as well. Plus, is WP noisy enough so that others will say "go buy a WP"?
If you want written facts, go find it yourself or wait for Gartner report. If you believe WP is doing well after this, well that's what you think. The deal is not a few, but a lot will dump WP and a few continue on, including you, because its limited features meet your expectations. The iPhone 4S is still going for $400+ used in Washington State, try to top that number with a lumia in any market. Even the iPhone 4 now has better resale value than the lumia thanks to recent news.
I don't need some dude to point out what's my choice and what's not. I call those WP8 adopters sheeps because it has not established a solid ground yet. If you know it's your choice, keep it to yourself because I didn't ask "why."
I say WP7 just became a "feature phone." Yeah, the competitive pricing did say something :victory:

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What can you do to defend MS this time eh? If you think you can, then perhaps you might be interested in being the marketing general manager for MS that Gavin Kim left after 5 months. Pay rate is nice, I guess, but the job will be very, very tough.
When people leave, they simply leave without a comment (who cares really for a oh-so product?) The ones throwing comments are those who have been trying to back MS and become alienated by the very same company. You find it noisy? You have the choice to sit back and be quiet. By joining in you opt to be noisy as well. Plus, is WP noisy enough so that others will say "go buy a WP"?
If you want written facts, go find it yourself or wait for Gartner report. If you believe WP is doing well after this, well that's what you think. The deal is not a few, but a lot will dump WP and a few continue on, including you, because its limited features meet your expectations. The iPhone 4S is still going for $400+ used in Washington State, try to top that number with a lumia in any market. Even the iPhone 4 now has better resale value than the lumia thanks to recent news.
I don't need some dude to point out what's my choice and what's not. I call those WP8 adopters sheeps because it has not established a solid ground yet. If you know it's your choice, keep it to yourself because I didn't ask "why."
I say WP7 just became a "feature phone." Yeah, the competitive pricing did say something :victory:
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*shrug* you posted on my thread - where I stated what I've done and where I'm at and what I plan to do, by complaining and taking things I said out of context and changing the meaning (i.e. noisy people), then attribute my post to being some kind of MS hype.
On top of that, you responded with factless claims of doomsday scenarios and disapointment. I ask for the facts to back up these claims, and you tell me to look for myself (meaning you don't have any, there's none to show).
There are pleanty of other threads here at XDA where people are saying the same thing as you are, ad nausium. You're free to go post there. I don't feel particularly bad when you post in my thread and restate what's been said before in other threads and accuse me of things I didn't say and attribute ideas to me that I didn't have.
I'm sorry for your sense of loss, I sincerly hope you find peace (this is not sarcastic, I mean it - it's only a phone after all ).

I believe you are missing a few points here:
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I hate the Iphone and have pushed the devices even after I bought a 6.5 device only to find out it couldnt be upgraded to 7.
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Would you really have preferred that the 6.5 device were upgraded to WP7? That would have held WP7 back on specs/features, with the exception of a few phones (HD2).
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I may be wrong but hardware was quoted as the reason that WM devices didnt get an update but the HTC HD device proved that was not true. I dont believe that if Microsoft Windows specs are not even dual core that wp8 cantnbe ported. In my mind its a case of dont want to, not cant. If that was the answer as much as that would be frustrating I would respect it more then the "we can't".
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Again, don't think for a moment that the Lumia 900 is out of the game. There are SO MANY of them out there now, that they will become the next HD2. DEVs are going to bring WP8 to the Lumia, mark my words. The device is too nice not to go there.
As for Microsoft not bringing it, I could care less. My Lumia is the best phone I've owned since I've been using wireless. And my first Mobile phone was a Motorola Bag Phone. Yes, the heavy shoulder strap phone that lasted about 3 hours and cost $200-$1500 per month to use. I've owned MANY phones over these years, and again, the Lumia 900 beats them ALL, hands down. If it was never upgraded to WP8, that's just fine! They did NOT say they were going to stop supporting it, they just said they were not going to port WP8 to it. There's a Big difference. You will still get updates, you will still get leading edge software, you will still get firmware updates. I don't see the problem.
When does a company decide when to stop supporting Full OS upgrades? It's a tough decision I'm sure, but it has to be made. If they offered OS upgrades forever, they would never make enough money to continue to develop. I don't want to see that happening.
My next phone will also be a Nokia. They are going to support WP better than any other OS, because they HAVE to in order to survive. They've already shown their support in a big way, and they've shown how they are going to continue to do so. Maybe it will not be WP8, but it will be the next best thing. A new Start Screen that most everyone has been anxious to get, and a host of other updates are to come. Just because they have not spelled it all out, does not mean it's not happening. They said all the NON-HARDWARE features would be brought to the Lumia. That could include All Sorts of Fantastic things. Some have already arrived (Camera Extras, Play-To), and I'm sure they will bring a lot more.
Before WP7, I also wanted the latest ROM or OS on my Windows Mobile phones, and to some extent, still do. I even ported and cooked ROMs to get there. But since using WP, I am not quite as anxious, because it really works quite well. That's mostly what I was trying to get out of Windows Mobile. Stable, Fast, Fun. WP Already has that!
My opinion, give Winkia/Nokidows a little time to prove where they are going to take us. Honestly, by the time WP8 comes around, I'll be itching for a new device anyways, so my Lumia 900 will replace my Focus as my Test Bed/Dev device...

Nobody talks about doomsday and whatnot, at least I never stated them. You got delusions about doomsday or is it haunting you
WP is small fry, idc about facts for this. If you love it, go research to back it up, don't tell me this and that. If you were successful, maybe MS would want you in its WP marketing team and pay you nicely. I never told you to agree with me. My style is "take it or leave it." My writing is not to convince, but to explain. I don't assume you this and that (heck I never even made a statement how you felt about your phone). However, it looks like you do assume a lot of thing about me. Why do you care? :laugh:
P/S: all my three Lumia 900 have been craigslisted successfully, I feel relieved
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On top of that, you responded with factless claims of doomsday scenarios and disapointment. I ask for the facts to back up these claims, and you tell me to look for myself (meaning you don't have any, there's none to show).
There are pleanty of other threads here at XDA where people are saying the same thing as you are, ad nausium. You're free to go post there. I don't feel particularly bad when you post in my thread and restate what's been said before in other threads and accuse me of things I didn't say and attribute ideas to me that I didn't have.
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I too am very happy with my Lumia 900. Coming from a Samsung Captivate, I can't complain. The difference is just night and day. It didn't bother me knowing the phone's inability for a WP8 update. When those devices come out, buy'em. Problem solved. When WP9 devices come out, buy'em! Problem solved..and so on.
The world is fortunate to have a vast variety of technological options. Options which never ceases to evolve. No need to whine when your brand new toy becomes obsolete tomorrow. Technology is about evolution.
Like what eknutson said, it's just a phone after all.

guys this thread is about some one likes the Lumia 900 and I love my Lumia 900 tooo.... so keep it to it...
all the people are talking about is that wp 7.8 will not be as good as the WP8..... come on no one knows what will be in WP7.8 and WP8???? this is stupidity to argue about things MS do not want to tell people right now...
and second of all MS and Nokia are not stupid that they will screw up users...
last but not least if your phone do not have NFC and high res screen then MS do not think the OS should be WP8, i am fine with it...
and if i dont get the WP8 or WP7.8 my phone still works graet i am very happy...

Microsoft officially announced what will be in 7.8: new home screen, 100,000 apps and counting, and Nokia Lumia exclusive apps.

I agree with you. I got mine today as a shift from my old n70, after 5 years of honorable service (now it starts to freeze, takes forever to boot, hangs-up every now and then and disconnects me once in a while saying "SIM card refused -time to retire - ) and I think it looks gorgeous. the screen is very good, especially with max luminosity. haven't tried everything, since I have to update the SIM to microSIM, but offline functionality has made me happy the moment it arrived. sent friend request

Dark_Ansem said:
I agree with you. I got mine today as a shift from my old n70, after 5 years of honorable service (now it starts to freeze, takes forever to boot, hangs-up every now and then and disconnects me once in a while saying "SIM card refused -time to retire - ) and I think it looks gorgeous. the screen is very good, especially with max luminosity. haven't tried everything, since I have to update the SIM to microSIM, but offline functionality has made me happy the moment it arrived. sent friend request
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Using "max luminosity", your battery will die much quicker. You will probably want to experiment with different settings to get a good look, and battery life. I used Automatic, and was happy most of the time.
Also, you can actually cut your SIM card using a knife or scissors to make it fit your phone. I've done it a few times. At least until you can get to the store and get a new one. Just look at photos on the internet to get an idea where to cut it, Pretty close, and it will work. Also, make sure it fits the sim tray well, so it does not hang up on the sim slot.