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same exact chipset as the HD2... so does this mean....
what is your take on this?
We just went from no photos of the HTC HD7 to several live photos from several different sources. Some specs of the Windows Phone 7 powered behemoth were unofficially confirmed and a price too (again).
Specs and renders of the HTC HD7
The specs of the HTC HD7 include a 4.3" WQVGA touchscreen, a 1GHz QSD8250 Snapdragon CPU and a 5MP camera with dual-LED flash and 720p video recording. There's 8GB of built-in storage, though the situation with the microSD card slot is unclear - there are contradicting reports (HTCInside.de says "yay", WMPowerUser says "nay").
Live shots of the HD7 and its UI, tweaked by HTC
Update: The full specs for the HTC HD7 leaked. It's just 11.2mm thick, 576MB RAM and T-Mobile USA 3G bands. There won't be a microSD card slot. Check out the full specs below.
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Anyway, the photos of the HTC HD7's back reveal two interesting things - a kickstand and an "HD3" label (we're guessing that was the original name before HTC changed it to emphasize on Windows Phone 7).
The HTC HD7 has a kickstand
A new bit of information suggests that the HTC HD7 will retail on T-Mobile and a 560 euro (750 USD) figure is mentioned as price. That's not too far off from the 599 euro price for O2 Germany from Tuesday. All this info is from rumor-land so take it with a pinch of salt.
Source: HTCInside.de (Site in German), WMPoweruser, Mobile01 (Site in Chinese), Update: WMPoweruser
Why would HTC use the same wack (well now it is) CPU when they are already releasing second generation Snapdragons? This is especially disappointing when you consider that WP7 is supposed to be a strong gaming platform and the original Snapdragon's GPU sucks.
It has a pretty skimpy battery, no? Isn't 1200mAh kinda low for a high powered smartphone?
Award Tour said:
Why would HTC use the same wack (well now it is) CPU when they are already releasing second generation Snapdragons? This is especially disappointing when you consider that WP7 is supposed to be a strong gaming platform and the original Snapdragon's GPU sucks.
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Why did HTC release the Diamond2 with the same internals as the original Diamond? Cost, development times, the fact that it's likely not to make a huge amount of difference?
None of the games we've seen demoed have been short of power, and given the time it takes to develop a new hardware phone platform (a year or so), it's not too surprising they're using slightly older hardware. WP7 has only been in development for about 18 months. It's only been with OEMs for 12 months or so (in a basic form) and probably only 9 months or so for actual hardware development. You don't want to build a new phone with a new OS, with no experience with either, so it makes sense to use hardware you're familiar with. The HTC Desire Z with the new QSD8255 has probably been in development longer than the HD3/7.
QSD8250s are not underpowered, and considering the fact that WP7 doesn't allow third party developers to multitask, it's definitely up for the task.
BS??
Why would t-mobile release there first window seven phone and not put it on there 4G sever? i just dont believe this it sad sad sad the whole spec list is sad. I dont believe this would be the spec of the first WM7 phone it just to sad and way to early to say. But it just a rumor :O
This is a complete joke, I consider this a downgrade not upgarde.
I can guarantee that I wont be getting a ****ty HD3, 8GB max storage my arse, what possible justification can M$ have to not allow storage card? I dont get it, does anybody know the reason as I cant think of a single reason why they would put this limitation on WP7 phones.
l3v5y said:
Why did HTC release the Diamond2 with the same internals as the original Diamond? Cost, development times, the fact that it's likely not to make a huge amount of difference?
None of the games we've seen demoed have been short of power, and given the time it takes to develop a new hardware phone platform (a year or so), it's not too surprising they're using slightly older hardware. WP7 has only been in development for about 18 months. It's only been with OEMs for 12 months or so (in a basic form) and probably only 9 months or so for actual hardware development. You don't want to build a new phone with a new OS, with no experience with either, so it makes sense to use hardware you're familiar with. The HTC Desire Z with the new QSD8255 has probably been in development longer than the HD3/7.
QSD8250s are not underpowered, and considering the fact that WP7 doesn't allow third party developers to multitask, it's definitely up for the task.
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The first and last parts are so wrong that I won't even tell why, it's too obvious.
And yes the Q8250 isn't underpowered, it's pure crap graphics wise.
Gogo Samsung Cetus i917 with Hummingbird and SGX540, what a shame I liked the design of the HTC oh well, I'm not the only one.
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...the fact that it's likely not to make a huge amount of difference?
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The difference in GPU performance between the first and second generation Snapdragons (Adreno 200 vs 205) IS huge.
I own a EVO with the older GPU and the gaming performance is lousy compared to the current gen of high end mobile GPU's. Of course I have no doubt that WP7 will handle gaming a bit better than Android but it doesn't change the fact that it lags waaaay behind what both competitors and HTC itself is now offering. And like I said, a huge draw to WP7 is Xbox Live, so why skimp on the GPU?
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The difference in GPU performance between the first and second generation Snapdragons (Adreno 200 vs 205) IS huge.
I own a EVO with the older GPU and the gaming performance is lousy compared to the current gen of high end mobile GPU's. Of course I have no doubt that WP7 will handle gaming a bit better than Android but it doesn't change the fact that it lags waaaay behind what both competitors and HTC itself is now offering. And like I said, a huge draw to WP7 is Xbox Live, so why skimp on the GPU?
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i heared from a source that the graphics power that appear on our hd2 is not the really power due to the lack of drivers , and with wp7 that supports directx 9 the graphics will be improved allot more than what we see on our hd2 , and here is the proof of what i say , look at these videos running on htc mozart with same specifications , look at how the weather animations is smooth http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/16/i...ndows-phone-7/ the second video , by the way the 8250 processor and the 8gb memory is a limitation by microsoft for the first generation devices htc has nothing to do with that so don't flame them
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i heared from a source that the graphics power that appear on our hd2 is not the really power due to the lack of drivers , and with wp7 that supports directx 9 the graphics will be improved allot more than what we see on our hd2 , and here is the proof of what i say , look at these videos running on htc mozart with same specifications , look at how the weather animations is smooth http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/16/i...ndows-phone-7/ the second video , by the way the 8250 processor and the 8gb memory is a limitation by microsoft for the first generation devices htc has nothing to do with that so don't flame them
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Another worker from HTC has appeared.
"the graphics power that appear on our hd2 is not the really power due to the lack of drivers"
Well the Android based devices with the 8250 doesn't lack drivers and performs crap compared to Adreno 205, SGX5x0 and Tegra 2.
" is a limitation by microsoft for the first generation devices htc has nothing to do with that so don't flame them"
It's the minimum requirement.
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This is a complete joke, I consider this a downgrade not upgarde.
I can guarantee that I wont be getting a ****ty HD3, 8GB max storage my arse, what possible justification can M$ have to not allow storage card? I dont get it, does anybody know the reason as I cant think of a single reason why they would put this limitation on WP7 phones.
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MS said it on youtube viedo: They want that you can get apps only from marketplace and you can not "hack" them to your memory card. Something like that. And something about Zune content restrictions...
Sorry for the long post, can't be bothered replying lots of times!
BeEazy10 said:
Why would t-mobile release there first window seven phone and not put it on there 4G sever? i just dont believe this it sad sad sad the whole spec list is sad. I dont believe this would be the spec of the first WM7 phone it just to sad and way to early to say. But it just a rumor :O
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Because 4G isn't really available most places (and LTE is NOT 4G, it's just marketing rubbish). 4G will be big, and is better than 3.5G, but it's just not available enough (especially since the US has only recently decided 3G would be a good idea).
TheATHEiST said:
This is a complete joke, I consider this a downgrade not upgarde.
I can guarantee that I wont be getting a ****ty HD3, 8GB max storage my arse, what possible justification can M$ have to not allow storage card? I dont get it, does anybody know the reason as I cant think of a single reason why they would put this limitation on WP7 phones.
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It's not a maximum size, and there will be devices with more than 8GB on board, wait until more than one device has had provisional specs leaked before jumping to conclusions. The lack of user replaceable storage is to protect users unfamiliar with the platform, and smartphones in general, it's not as powerful an OS as WM6.X in terms of out of box things you can do, but the UX is much much better. If you don't like the hardware/software, stick with WM6.5, it's going to be supported and available for a few years yet, as it's still used in lots of places.
Mr.Sir said:
The first and last parts are so wrong that I won't even tell why, it's too obvious.
And yes the Q8250 isn't underpowered, it's pure crap graphics wise.
Gogo Samsung Cetus i917 with Hummingbird and SGX540, what a shame I liked the design of the HTC oh well, I'm not the only one.
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No WP7 device will have any hardware other than the QSD8250 SoC in the first round of devices. For the use in WP7, it's far from underpowered, and in every video I've seen (and from briefly playing with a device) it does everything needed, including very intensive graphics processing. Complain when you've tried it, not before.
Award Tour said:
The difference in GPU performance between the first and second generation Snapdragons (Adreno 200 vs 205) IS huge.
I own a EVO with the older GPU and the gaming performance is lousy compared to the current gen of high end mobile GPU's. Of course I have no doubt that WP7 will handle gaming a bit better than Android but it doesn't change the fact that it lags waaaay behind what both competitors and HTC itself is now offering. And like I said, a huge draw to WP7 is Xbox Live, so why skimp on the GPU?
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The only device with a more recent CPU/SoC is the Desire Z, and we've no real proof it's any better. From everything that's been shown off, WP7 test devices on pre-release hardware/software are fast enough for very heavy gaming. WP7 handles graphics very well.
hoss_n2 said:
i heared from a source that the graphics power that appear on our hd2 is not the really power due to the lack of drivers , and with wp7 that supports directx 9 the graphics will be improved allot more than what we see on our hd2 , and here is the proof of what i say , look at these videos running on htc mozart with same specifications , look at how the weather animations is smooth http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/16/i...ndows-phone-7/ the second video , by the way the 8250 processor and the 8gb memory is a limitation by microsoft for the first generation devices htc has nothing to do with that so don't flame them
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Firstly, there is no 8GB limitation.
DirectX 9, and excellent XNA support are big pluses of WP7, but the HD2 is probably fully utilising the hardware. WP7 is very good at handling graphics generally, and from what we've seen, it is more than capable on current hardware.
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Another worker from HTC has appeared.
"the graphics power that appear on our hd2 is not the really power due to the lack of drivers"
Well the Android based devices with the 8250 doesn't lack drivers and performs crap compared to Adreno 205, SGX5x0 and Tegra 2.
" is a limitation by microsoft for the first generation devices htc has nothing to do with that so don't flame them"
It's the minimum requirement.
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first i don't work with Htc iam still 19 years old and iam studying mechanical design
second the graphics drivers on android are not good (chech your info) with some tweaks we got 33 fps on neocore , while stock only scores 26 fps
3rd all wp7 devices on release date will have common processors as windows is developed to work on this processors another tybes will come later after that .
and if you see the video i posted , you will know that hd2 processor graphics are enough , have you seen the weather animations i posted in the video , compare them to android and wm6.5 and you will understand what i mean as microsoft adds directx 9 drivers which improves performence allot
So, HD3/7 = "HD2 Windows Phone 7 Version"
It's really disappointing to think that HTC has voluntarily built the HD2 with some details to have an inconsistency with WP7.
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Sorry for the long post, can't be bothered replying lots of times!
DirectX 9, and excellent XNA support are big pluses of WP7, but the HD2 is probably fully utilising the hardware. WP7 is very good at handling graphics generally, and from what we've seen, it is more than capable on current hardware.
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but i have noticed big improvements on graphical power on wp7 devices with similar gpu , so i think wm6.5 is not pushing the graphics on hd2 to its max
l3v5y said:
Sorry for the long post, can't be bothered replying lots of times!
Because 4G isn't really available most places (and LTE is NOT 4G, it's just marketing rubbish). 4G will be big, and is better than 3.5G, but it's just not available enough (especially since the US has only recently decided 3G would be a good idea).
It's not a maximum size, and there will be devices with more than 8GB on board, wait until more than one device has had provisional specs leaked before jumping to conclusions. The lack of user replaceable storage is to protect users unfamiliar with the platform, and smartphones in general, it's not as powerful an OS as WM6.X in terms of out of box things you can do, but the UX is much much better. If you don't like the hardware/software, stick with WM6.5, it's going to be supported and available for a few years yet, as it's still used in lots of places.
No WP7 device will have any hardware other than the QSD8250 SoC in the first round of devices. For the use in WP7, it's far from underpowered, and in every video I've seen (and from briefly playing with a device) it does everything needed, including very intensive graphics processing. Complain when you've tried it, not before.
The only device with a more recent CPU/SoC is the Desire Z, and we've no real proof it's any better. From everything that's been shown off, WP7 test devices on pre-release hardware/software are fast enough for very heavy gaming. WP7 handles graphics very well.
Firstly, there is no 8GB limitation.
DirectX 9, and excellent XNA support are big pluses of WP7, but the HD2 is probably fully utilising the hardware. WP7 is very good at handling graphics generally, and from what we've seen, it is more than capable on current hardware.
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No proof the adreno 205 is better? The benchmarks are out and the desire HD crushes the old adreno by a lot.
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I will pass this is the same as my hd2
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but i have noticed big improvements on graphical power on wp7 devices with similar gpu , so i think wm6.5 is not pushing the graphics on hd2 to its max
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Still doesn't change the fact that HTC uses a 2 year old CPU when there are newer ones available. The newer ones are better and more efficient aswell.
It's okay to think "the older one fits the job, just not as good, but's it's cheaper" for a cheap device but not about their upcoming flagship, this is embarrassing.
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HD3 sucks!
I was really looking forward to the HD3 but now based on looks/specc I really changed my mind (which also saves me about £500).
And this is for many reasons like:
Looks like **** - especially the back cover
Camera is 5MP, HD2 has 8MP
8GB internal storage and no microSD card (I currently use a 16GB microSD card on th HD2)
iPhone 4 has a better specc than this. Actually all phones have a better specc than this.
TFT Screen. HD2 uses AMOLED.
Not to mention all the restrictions on WP7. All people that know me call me an M$ funboy but I guess I will shock everyone when I get an iPhone 4.
I take no credit for this, ita a great article i came across that made the most sense in a while related to hardware :
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...erately-need-more-powerful-devices-this-year/
As you have probably already noticed I was at Mobile World Congress this week so I had the opportunity to play around with some of the latest and most powerful handsets ever created. This year was obviously dominated by Google’s Android platform which took center stage at the convention with essentially every OEMs demonstrating or unveiling products running the immensely successful OS. What does it have to do with Windows Phone 7 hardware ? Well if there’s one thing that really garbed my attention it is the fact that not a single Android device I played with was as snappy and smooth as the Samsung Omnia 7 device I had in my pocket (or any iPhone model). Yes some of the devices on display were running non finalized software and probably hardware too but this has already been the case with retail devices like the Galaxy S and Desire HD which feature more powerful hardware than all the currently released WP7 devices.
I will repeat what I have been saying for a while: Android is the new Windows Mobile. OEMs want to differentiate their the products and one of the best way to do this is to use the latest and greatest chipsets, screen technology or other fancy hardware components. But as an end user, why should I care about the newest Exynos 4210, TI OMAP 4430, Tegra 2 if it can’t provide me with the same user experience as the now nearly 3 years old QSD8250 found in my Windows Phone 7 device? Similar to the old Windows Mobile days; OEMs are using Android’s “openness” as a test bed for their new CPUs and chipsets and are pumping out devices with crazy hardware specifications to show themselves in the press and sell device purely based on check list features: Dual-Core CPU ? Check. XX Mpix camera ? Check. 3D Cameras? Check. Huge Screen? Check etc. The issue here is that device manufacturers are more interested in time to market so optimizing the software to work with the hardware is just an afterthought. It’s not Google’s job to code the driver for the Samsung Exynos or for TI’s OMAP4. Google doesn’t even want to get the browser to use GPU acceleration for smoother scrolling and panning so the device manufacturers shouldn’t even count on the big G to give them any kind meaningful help in this department (Samsung has apparently implemented GPU acceleration to the browser in some unreleased Galaxy S firmware builds).
HTC has apparently learned the lesson a long time ago and has instead decided to milk the same SoC for while and instead just improve it’s Sense software layer every time it releases a new batch of devices. The end user is in both cases being presented with less than optimal solutions / offerings: On one hand you have new hardware that goes totally unused (Samsung, LG) and on the other you are buying exactly the same hardware but with an updated software layer (HTC).
Now let’s go back to Windows Phone 7 for minute. Take a Google Nexus One/ HTC Desire and compare it to the similarly speced WP7 devices. Which one is the snappiest and offers the smoothest UX? Same for the HTC HD2 running WM6.5 compared to the same device running Windows Phone 7. Microsoft has several big advantage with WP7 compared to Android. First, the have enforced strict HW guidelines and are currently only supporting Qualcomm’s Snapdragon SoCs and their Adreno GPUs. Secondly the Adreno GPUs are closely related to the Xenos GPU found in the Xbox360 so the company was already quite a bit familiar with architecture. Thirdly they control the APIs (Direct3D Mobile through DXGI and probably Direct2D for IE9 Mobile) unlike Android which relies on OpenGL ES and the drivers developed by the chipset manufacturers. The Windows Phone 7 ecosystem is like a console ecosystem with one set of drivers and APIs all controlled and certified by Microsoft while Android is more like a PC ecosystem filled with tons of different hardware configurations, driver versions controlled by nobody (Qualcomm even told me that OEMs don’t really bother including the latest drivers in the devices just because they are more concerned by the shipping date of the handset than with the end user experience. For example, as of right now the SE Xperia Play is the Android handset that has the latest Adreno 205 drivers).
Who would have thought that Microsoft would be able to easily port IE9 (which requires a DX10 GPU on the desktop) to Windows Phone 7 which only runs on a relatively old Adreno 200 GPU (DX9 capable) ins such a short time? Now take a look at the current state of the Webkit on Android: Yes it’s blazing fast at loading web pages on those super powerful handsets but after that the UX is simply anticlimactic because of the lack of HW acceleration. This is supposed to be fixed in Honeycomb on the tablets right? But where’s the smartphone version? From what I have seen at MWC the touch responsiveness of the Android 3.0 tablets varies greatly from one device maker to another. So once again Google’s lack of control of the hardware and drivers is going to hurt the end user.
This is not to say that Windows Phone 7 should be stuck with the current QSD8250. New high-end WP7 devices are going to be announced later this year because technology evolves at a rapid pace and Microsoft will obviously want to support higher resolution screens and video formats (and yes they are working on new Chassis but the Nokia partnership which was decided only last Thursday changed some of the plans), more graphically intensive 3D games and applications but the point here is that they are in no rush to do this because they can squeeze a lot more out of the first generation Snapdragon SoC than what is possible with Android. Everything I just said so far also applies to Apple’s iPhone which is quite similar to Windows Phone 7 and I personally think that there’s no need for Apple to switch to a dual-core SoC for the upcoming iPhone 5 given that the A4 is still powerful enough for 99% of the tasks (but if they do then you can be sure that they will have the software to take advantage of it). Android is obviously a really great OS that I enjoy using it on a daily basis thanks to all the features it supports but Google should really stop the madness and take over control of what should or shouldn’t be done on the platform. OEMs are loving it right now because they are free to do whatever they see fit but I really think that it will hurt the platform in the long run when people start to realise that they paying for hardware that most of the time isn’t used all or just paying for a software update (HTC..).
What Windows Phone 7 is in desperate need of is software updates filled with differentiating features and thrid-party access to more APIs so they developers can create more exciting and advanced applications.
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Pretty much the facts.... I mean that is just an astounding article... spot on.
As an Android user who is otherwise impartial to OS wars, I wholeheartedly agree. For months now, I've been telling people that Android reminds me of the old Windows Mobile. Every WM7 device I have ever played with has exhibited exemplary smoothness and snappyness compared to any Android handset you care to name. It's a shame because Android is really good otherwise.
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IMO, although it would be nice to have, WP7 doesnt have to go overboard like Android is doing when it comes to specs as to dual core cpu's, 3d displays and such. I believe that they should improve hardware based on features such as front facing camera to add video chat functinality, perhaps a video output via 3.5mm jack (since requiring hdmi might be pushing it a little across all oem's) etc.
Im positive that if they bump up the cpu to support at least second gen snapdragon with its 45nm architecture, improved 205 Adreno GPU and much faster clock per clock compared to first gen, i have no doubt that besides the inmensly graphical stressing situations, WP7 would run circles round any dual core Android device since it being used to its full potential and proper optimization and drivers makes it not have a elephant on its back to carry
I think it is a given that we will eventually see more powerful Qualcomm SoCs show up in WP7 devices, and possibly other manufacturers' SoCs. This generation might become the "budget" chassis in 2012...Who knows?
What I do like, and want it to remain the same, is the fact that Microsoft needs to certify whatever hardware specs is used, so when updates are pushed out, Microsoft wouldn't need to run to each manufacturer and ask for drivers...
I'm sold where can I buy one? I kid, I kid. I have a Focus.
One thing is for sure, the overall opinion of the phone UI is excellent for all the listed reasons. Thanks for the post.
I compare this current experience to my experience with Windows 7 rc. Much like the day I installed Windows 7 to my lowly Dual Core (e2150, 2gb, 7200 HDD), it was good but not great in terms of speed, quick but not fast. Then, the cycle moved on and new hardware at low prices came into my life...
Now at Quad Core, 8 gb, Dual GPU, SSD, it is like driving a Buggati Veyron, downhill, on a 5 lane speedway, with no traffic. Life is instantaneous, the only limit...my ability to click as fast as it acts. ha! It happens as if I had on a thinking helmet and it sucked the idea out of my head!
I can only imagine wp7 on the set of phones that will come out...8 months...1 to 2 years from today...oh yeaaaaaa
close your eyes, think about it. Did you think about it? Think again, that's right. Amazing.
Wasn't that nice? Ahhhh yeaaaaaa
With dual core and a 2x faster GPU...oh my...it will get smoother and faster...hard to imagine and exciting at the same time. :splooge:
All in due time, I am happy with my phone today and happily have put my development time into other projects and not Wm6.5. Like this one from Johnny http://hackaday.com/2011/02/09/low-cost-video-chat-robot/
The current WP7 devices are fine. Just make sure you get one with 16G Storage and 512+ RAM or hope you're gonna be lucky enough to find a big SD Card that works well the first time. Data loss due to a bad/incompatible SD Card months down the line is... Unfun!
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I don't really expect to see WP7 handsets with faster processors. It isn't needed. Every app or game being made will be aiming for a certain minimum standard.
I do see improvements coming in extra features (like a front facing camera). And I do expect to see handsets with more and more memory.
If the end of 2011 brought WP7 devices with the current processor, but also offered 768 MB RAM, 32 GB storage and a front facing camera, that would be one hell of a competitive device.
Then in the holiday of 2012 we could see WP8 push the hardware limits by launching with some really high minimum specs. But at the same time, still support WP7 for "budget" handsets.
They need sexier devices. I must admit the three buttons on the front do look classy.
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I don't really expect to see WP7 handsets with faster processors. It isn't needed. Every app or game being made will be aiming for a certain minimum standard.
I do see improvements coming in extra features (like a front facing camera). And I do expect to see handsets with more and more memory.
If the end of 2011 brought WP7 devices with the current processor, but also offered 768 MB RAM, 32 GB storage and a front facing camera, that would be one hell of a competitive device.
Then in the holiday of 2012 we could see WP8 push the hardware limits by launching with some really high minimum specs. But at the same time, still support WP7 for "budget" handsets.
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The minimum specs must be maintained and they must be maintained at a level that ensures user experience will not be compromised for people who bought launch devices. In the holiday season of 2012 people will still be stuck on contract with current devices, probably for months to come.
All of a sudden apps will be updated in a way that their phones will choke running these apps.
Just upping the minimum specs because you think it sounds cute is a dumb idea. I doubt Microsoft will do it, and if they do, people will sort of laugh at them and they will lose a ton of customers. By then RIM will have QNX Blackberries and WebOS may be well-developed. There will be even more choices than we have today...
They really have to take an "Apple" approach to hardware support, IMO. It's the only thing that makes sense sort of overspeccing your devices and enticing a bunch of geeks to upgrade their phones every year for major software updates/bug fixes every 9 months to a year.
Yeah but is it partially due to room? I mean, Sense ROMs running slower than the cleaned up and simpler AOSP ROMs? I get the lack of acceleration ... a d understand the end result and why people might complain ... but my phone is snappy even though at times I notice slow down .. but that is hardly reason to ignore stability updates, even others. I mean , while my phone might be running smooth here ... it may slow down there. I see the choppy scroll .. but I've seen friends WP7 - uh, phones? - slow down at times too.
I get sick of this WP7 is constantly butter because its not. More often than not? Sure. But I rarely get agitated at the speed of mu device and most don't either ... sure I can see it, but I've also seen my.phone jump as much as my friends WP7 devices. It all depends. Overall, sure ... but it still doesnt touch iOS. To think you are major steps ahead is hype. More overhead here .... lack of acceleration here ... it's not shocking when you think about it. Android uses more resources and overhead ... you have such q standardized system. Its almost not surprising. And it's NOT suggestive of you being "good" at the moment.
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That's a great article. I agree 100%. I had a Samsung Galaxy S and with it's freshest time it had the most powerful chips int the markets, but even today it is not lag free, because of crappy Samsung optimizations to the software. That's why I really don't believe the new Galaxy S II will be any better with it's dual core. You could see it from the videos, that it's laggy at the moment and I don't believe Samsung will get it lag free ever.
fast hardware = bad ?
this smacks of hardware envy something terrible.
surrrrre, android + quad cores will suck... but wp8 will be perfect. whatever, if ever.
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The current WP7 devices are fine. Just make sure you get one with 16G Storage and 512+ RAM or hope you're gonna be lucky enough to find a big SD Card that works well the first time. Data loss due to a bad/incompatible SD Card months down the line is... Unfun!
I want my next phone to have the IBM Watson OS
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Why is 512+ RAM important, I was thing about getting the HTC 7 Pro, which only has 448 RAM and also is 16gb necessary if I don't use my phone as a media player as HTC 7 Pro only has 8gb as well?
Beesneazy, you're either completely full of crap or just delusional. I mean wow. Android fanboyism at its ugliest. Yeesh.
Ohgood, did you read the article? If you did, perhaps it's time to go back to Hooked on Phonics to work on word comprehension...
Anyhow, on topic, I completely agree with the article posted by OP. Kiddies like these Android fanboys love to deny the truth but it is what it is. Did everyone really think Microsoft would just sit back and be pummeled in the mobile phone market forever? With the right moves in the future WP7 will be huge. Maybe knock Android back down to third or fourth place and setup a head to head with iOS...
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ohgood said:
this smacks of hardware envy something terrible.
surrrrre, android + quad cores will suck... but wp8 will be perfect. whatever, if ever.
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Yes, and when you get your quad core phones that are still lagging, and still dont recieve the latest updates, and are still running a version of android that is essentially a pallet swap of 2.1 and still looks like a low end iphone we'll be happy with our maybe dual or maybe quad-core phones that run smoother, have better games (because aside from iphone ports and maybe 1-2 other games androids selection is just terrible), have a decent media player, have oustanding integration with business and personal matters, and we'll actually have a NEW OS not just an overhyped pallet swap of the previous version.
Fact WP7 will never catch Android or IOS.
Sure WP7 is nice. Serious competitor, nope.
Think realistic and remove your love affair. Maybe WP7 can be 5th place or if things go well 4th place.
Now flame on.
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The minimum specs must be maintained and they must be maintained at a level that ensures user experience will not be compromised for people who bought launch devices. In the holiday season of 2012 people will still be stuck on contract with current devices, probably for months to come.
All of a sudden apps will be updated in a way that their phones will choke running these apps.
Just upping the minimum specs because you think it sounds cute is a dumb idea. I doubt Microsoft will do it, and if they do, people will sort of laugh at them and they will lose a ton of customers. By then RIM will have QNX Blackberries and WebOS may be well-developed. There will be even more choices than we have today...
They really have to take an "Apple" approach to hardware support, IMO. It's the only thing that makes sense sort of overspeccing your devices and enticing a bunch of geeks to upgrade their phones every year for major software updates/bug fixes every 9 months to a year.
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I'm not sure what you're attempting to address when you quoted me. I never mentioned changing the minimum specs of WP7.
And I think it's pretty much guaranteed that WP8 will have a completely different set of minimum specs. Do you expect it to never change?
vetvito said:
They need sexier devices. I must admit the three buttons on the front do look classy.
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Exactly! I agree they don't need more powerful devices but they do need more appealing hardware (for a start a 32GB device would do no harm).
vetvito said:
Fact WP7 will never catch Android or IOS.
Sure WP7 is nice. Serious competitor, nope.
Think realistic and remove your love affair. Maybe WP7 can be 5th place or if things go well 4th place.
Now flame on.
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Sad but true. WP7 is quite late and if you think about it the real launch will be with Nokia, I doubt they'll sell anything before that as nothing has changed since October.
vetvito said:
Fact WP7 will never catch Android or IOS.
Sure WP7 is nice. Serious competitor, nope.
Think realistic and remove your love affair. Maybe WP7 can be 5th place or if things go well 4th place.
Now flame on.
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this is true only because the majority of cellphone owners are complete morons.
I was one of very few people of bought a wp7 device when it first came out. most people on xda said they would wait for the second generation of wp7 devices. now that the second generation has arrived the specs are very dissapointing, to put it short..... Where are the high end wp7 devices???? 1.5ghz single core? really? 2nd gen STILL making 8gb phones? come on! its nearly 2012, and whats with the lumia not even having a front facing camera? i thought this was all going to change when the second gen came out, but instead ill have to watch my android owning friends play thier games at 60fps, while no developers bother to even upgrade their games since the mango update allowed it! surely more power would be needed for xbox live games .......... no wonder wp7 is doing pants...give us some real hardware...
I'll quote Anton Nagy from pocketnow "Some Android users just don't get it that Windows Phone doesn't need the Android h/w processing power to run smoothly!"
Stop worrying about how fast the processor is or how many cores it has. The truth is WP7.5 runs great on "lower" end hardware where android chokes and lags.
^ Bull****. It's not about smoothness, if it was, dumbphones would be the obvious winner. Pathetic excuse.
It's about 1080p, graphic intensive games, heavy media, etc. Xbox Live is a sad joke on the phone.
Did Anton Nagy answer why does the iPhone has dual cores?
Headline = Correct
There is absolutely nothing that really says "wow, ok this is 2nd gen". Except the Titan. But it's still locked into an old school resolution.
That's funny, I was about to start this exact same thread
I was never expecting dual core, I know the OS doesn't support it and iOS got great games without the need of for dual core anyway.
Still that's not a reason to keep getting low end devices. The Titan on android comes with beats audio and a 32GB option, the Lumia 800 comes on Meego with a FF camera and a 64GB option, why are WP7 users getting the shaft? Not one 32GB device when Zune players have been canned in favour of WP7, how is that now ridiculous?
Use a WP. It doesn't lag and not once will you feel your phone isn't capable of something.
But I agree about screen and ffc.
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Use a WP. It doesn't lag and not once will you feel your phone isn't capable of something.
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iPhone doesn't "lag" either. Yet it gets a significantly faster CPU and graphics chip with each iteration.
iOS started getting properly good (i.e. non casual) apps around the time the iPhone 3GS was launched. Suddenly you had some real horse-power, and you started getting proper 3D shooters like Call of Duty: Zombies. Check out Infinity Blade or Epic Castle running on the 3GS - puts every WP7 game to shame, and this is on a phone that came out 2.5 years ago (a lifetime in the mobile world!).
Meanwhile we've still not got a single decent FPS, and almost zero augmented reality apps. Now do you see why we need better hardware?
All that putting a duel core faster processor etc in will do is drain the battery like a siv for no noticable extra performance esp when the clock speed of the processor is hardly a bottleneck in these phones. Your 1.4ghz lumia will run faster and smoother then a duel core htc sensation. I to would love to see bigger memory beats phone but as i own bose headphones i dont feel its a biggie. At the end of the day the only thing that sucks is 16gb but then i have a zune for my music so 16gb is more than i need.
to put it simple bigger specs = less battery + no noticable differance in performance
i know what i want and that a solid sexy device with a mind blowing screen (yes i know its small but hay there all the same res just look at it closer lol) and a battery that lasts. Plus WP7.5 is much nicer to use and more polished then android or ios. Dont get me wrong i love androif but only cos i love to play and mess with things but past that it looks dated and eats power.
Another complainers thread.
Even if Windows Phones had dual core, ffc, nfc, served coffee and made the bed there would always be a group of complainers. It will never be satisfactory.
I will say this: Its a phone. If it doesn't suit your needs, do not buy it. Microsoft will get the message loud and clear of no one buys it.
I'm glad there aren't dual core CPUs. I like my battery lasting over a day.
I have Never noticed lag on my Omnia 7. Never once. All the games I have play smoothly. OS is silky.
My PC is now 2 years old. Normally i'd upgrade it at least every 2 years. I won't bother now.. why ? Because i don't need to. It will still play modern games at an acceptable and high quality.
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If it doesn't suit your needs, do not buy it. Microsoft will get the message loud and clear of no one buys it.
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No one is buying it are they? MS still refuse to release sales figure, but un-offocial sources show it's in last place, even being outsold by Bada (Samsung's phone OS).
You've also missed the point entirely; if a WP7 came out that hardware on par or significantly ahead of the current gen Androids (e.g. 1200x900 res screen, camera with 1080p recording and xenon flash, fast 3d chip, FFC camera) it would sell well. But they haven't, so it won't; WP7 is one generation behind yet again.
Indeed, I could understand that the 1st wave of devices = underpowered phones.
But for the 2nd wave it's not acceptable anymore. All the devices proposed are mediocre.
I was patient, but now I am really fed up.
My last hopes in the OS have totally gone ith the ****ty Nokia phones announced.
I need SD card slot, I need 32/64GB, I need FFC, I need USB mass storage, I need DivX|Avi, I need bigger screen, etc.....
What a disaster.
Microsoft is always behind, just a follower. They are incapable of anticipating and thinking ahead and unable to propose something that the competitors do not already have. They are 2 years late, they are one phone generation late.
The last WP7 phones have specifications from year 2009 !!!
WHERE ARE THE HIGH END WP7 DEVICE??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Titan on android comes with beats audio and a 32GB option, the Lumia 800 comes on Meego with a FF camera and a 64GB option, why are WP7 users getting the shaft? Not one 32GB device when Zune players have been canned in favour of WP7, how is that now ridiculous?
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I have the exact same question.
I want to understand this.
Is Microsoft forcing the manufacturers to do this?
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I'm glad there aren't dual core CPUs. I like my battery lasting over a day.
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What are you talking about?
One of my friends has both an HTC Mozart and the last iPhone.
He is always complaining because the HTC cannot last more than 1 day (with its fu..... single core), whereas his iPhone can last up to 3 or 4 days.
Don't believe what you read on WP7 users forum. Wp7 is crap on every level (except maybe the UI)
What are YOU talking about, the last iphone was a single core device, the NEW Iphone (the 4S) is dual core and surprise surpise, the most subscribed thread on the iphone 4S section over at mac rumors is titled "baterrygate"
3 or 4 days with an iPhone?
LOL
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What you want is a premium phone. I don't think Microsoft (or at least Nokia) believes that space is a priority considering that it's dominated by the iPhone and the GS2.
I think it's a viable tactic: premium looking phone for a mid-range price. It does suck for those of us who aren't as price conscious.
Anyway, I would wait to see what Samsung brings out. The hardware should be nice spec-wise. Personally, it's a no go for me because their design is uninspiring.
So after a year, people still cant decide for themselves what phone they should buy. If WP7 doesnt meet your needs, dont buy it, if you have bought it, dump it for what suits you. Complaining because you cant have what your friends have sounds like a playground mentality.
If it met your needs once but doesnt anymore its more beneficial to move on to another platform, especially considering that members of this forum are highly likely to know exactly the capabilities and restrictions of WP7. Its common knowledge what screen res WP7 supports, what CPU's it supports and what RAM it supports. So why are people surprised when devices are released that meet the known specs? Screen size, camera quality, storage size can vary but nothing else is going to change.
Really nothing forcing anyone to use this OS, and as people are so fond of saying, there are no sales, missing features, its ugly, etc. So, why not move on?
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I was one of very few people of bought a wp7 device when it first came out. most people on xda said they would wait for the second generation of wp7 devices. now that the second generation has arrived the specs are very dissapointing, to put it short..... Where are the high end wp7 devices???? 1.5ghz single core? really? 2nd gen STILL making 8gb phones? come on! its nearly 2012, and whats with the lumia not even having a front facing camera? i thought this was all going to change when the second gen came out, but instead ill have to watch my android owning friends play thier games at 60fps, while no developers bother to even upgrade their games since the mango update allowed it! surely more power would be needed for xbox live games .......... no wonder wp7 is doing pants...give us some real hardware...
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I came from Nokia to Android and I used Nokias since 1987 lol. sssh... don't tell anyone.
Nokia phones always had slower CPU's etc... and the software didn't usually need more because it was never power hungry. I think we need to see the high end stuff. I also think they knocked this batch out in a hell of a hurry and knowing Elop and Co we'll see some nice phones soon ish if they have learned anything from announcement to release delays that is!
Nokia make software run well on different hardware.
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uryu_ishida said:
What you want is a premium phone. I don't think Microsoft (or at least Nokia) believes that space is a priority considering that it's dominated by the iPhone and the GS2.
I think it's a viable tactic: premium looking phone for a mid-range price. It does suck for those of us who aren't as price conscious.
Anyway, I would wait to see what Samsung brings out. The hardware should be nice spec-wise. Personally, it's a no go for me because their design is uninspiring.
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I don't want a premium phone. I just need 32 GB.
Why the Titan with Android has 32 GB and the Titan with WP7 only 16GB ??? I just can't explain this.
I would have bought the Titan immediately if it came with 32GB. But 16GB is a dealbreaker.
I am not asking more than this.
Same for me. Last chance for 32GB is the Focus S.
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Buy the Sensation XL then.
Is it me or are nvidia focusing their support on tegra games instead of this phone ???.
nvidia are trying to push their chip. they couldn't give a rats arse about what handsets it is in, as long as those handsets are selling and creating them revenue
so yeah i'd say nvidias focus is getting games on teg3, as this would mean more people buy a teg3 handset = more revenue.
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nvidia are trying to push their chip. they couldn't give a rats arse about what handsets it is in, as long as those handsets are selling and creating them revenue
so yeah i'd say nvidias focus is getting games on teg3, as this would mean more people buy a teg3 handset = more revenue.
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Yea its quite disgusting really im quite sick and disappointed with this and have grown to hate a lot about this side of the computer industry..
what are you talking about, its an amazing device, we already have two updates in regards to the Tegra3 drivers in just less then a month
what you expect them to stop their whole business and just focus on making drivers for an HTC phone?! if you ask me they follow up on devices better than qualcomm did
Your One X support comes from HTC, not Nvidia, Nvidia is obliged to work with HTC and HTC is obliged to support your device
As for Tegra games, its why people are buying the bloody thing and now you don't like that they are making them
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Is it me or are nvidia focusing their support on tegra games instead of this phone ???.
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So...2 updates in less than a month is totally abandoning software support for the One X... Besides, Tegra optimized games have much less to do with nVidia and much more with the app developers themselves learning all the tips and tricks of fully utilising the Tegra 3 chip.
Rocking the Lee on my HTC One X
Dear all,
I know there is no Samsung Health monitor app for iPhone users.
But, is there any solution to use EKG and BP features on iPhone?
(don't kill me, I'm not an iPhone user!)
On Tizen Phones I remember ACL as Android "Emulator"...
This is the only idea I have...
But I never bought or spend time with Apple Products...
Tooooooo expensive for me...
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Still no idea... I have no Apple stuff...
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