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[Q] What will ICS add to our device?

Hi friends,
I wonder what we will get with ICS. I think it will let us to have much more free ram at startup. Maybe smoother than virtuous affinity... So more what? I've read it would be more useful than sense based roms. I really can't wait to have an ICS rom which is really smooth; but i don't know why and for what i wait

Why would it give us more free RAM ? Surely it will be less, e.g. hardware acceleration uses more RAM.
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steviewevie said:
Why would it give us more free RAM ? Surely it will be less, e.g. hardware acceleration uses more RAM.
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in my opinion, base android roms (no sense) don't use much ram. somebody said we will not need sense with ICS. So it won't use much ram. as i said, these are my opinions... BTW doesn't sense based roms have hardware acceleration? is there any ram usage difference between gingerbread and ICS roms?

ICS is the newest operating system for android, which is definately alot to look forward to (eg. gingerbread made froyo absolete). But you're comparing it to a sense rom, which is a completely different thing. I think the best way for you to learn what you want to know is to google it.

yes but icsi with sense is impossible in G2 because have poor ram for this dual

I have found this page http://chromloop.com/2011/11/ice-cream-sandwich-first-boot-on-motorola-defy-aosp/
It says ics uses about the same ram with gingerbread. So it should be possible to have ics rom with sense. But i don't think that i need it, i only want ics based cyanogen 9. Thus it will be fast i though. Am i wrong?
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Well you can play around with the ICS port that's still in the works. You'll get a general idea of new things to come. I can't wait till we have a nice, fully functional rom. Don't think I'd even want anything from sense after that
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i've been playing with the ics port rom ever since the alpha version. so far it's the greatest. can't imagine (wait) what it will feel after a stable release

Have they implemented Hardware accelerated UI in the Desire S port?
It seems rather slow.
Of course it's in beta, so it's all cool and I don't expect a port to perform well in the long run either way. But I'm just curious since "3D acceleration" is kinda vague. Is it only for game apps and some fancy effects?

As far as I know hardware acceleration is fully working on the desire s port. I'm pretty sure, that most performance issues are simply due to the fact that it is a beta port of ics from another device.
Once we have a fully working aosp build or cm9, performance should be as good as expected.
I think you can get a good impression of ics without hw acceleration by trying out v 0.1 from andromadus, which redefines slow.

Ah I see. Thanks.

HTC Sense on Galaxy Nexus

I found that in the Nexus S forum that there is a HTC Sense ROM version launched as a beta. I would love to see it running on our GNex since the hardware is simular it should be possible.
The problem with Sense was that the battery drain was huge. But since GNex and HD2 devs managed to solve this in better kernels it should be possible to make it run like a charm on our GNex
I came from HTC HD2 and we had so much different ROM to flash like: WP7, all andriod version, windows 95, ubuntu, meego and much more... I kinda mis that on the GNex. A lot of HD2 devs are working on GNex so I hope that we have those possibilities also in the near future.
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I had a nexus s from what it looked like sense was hard as hell to get running.
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I don't think that will be happening. HTC doesn't use PowerVR or TI OMAP so proprietary stuff like that would be a ***** and it might not be worth the trouble. Also...you bought a nexus phone for the stock Android experience and latest and greatest...WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO KILL IT WITH FIRE?
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Kinda beats the idea of having a Nexus if you ask me.
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I really don't understand people on here!! If you want Sense, buy a HTC phone!!! People buy nexus's because they cant stand the skinning of manufacturers, and now people are asking for touchwiz and sense ports, which just slow the phone down! WWWHHHYYYY?!?!?!

people also buy the Gnex becuase of its developer support. Most people here love flashing stuff and though I love stock ICS I would love to try out the latest touchwiz or sense as well

One, i didnt bought the phone for plain ics experience but due to the hardware specs.
Two, I hope that the device will get more options in flashing ROMs. Not cuz i like Sense roms but just cuz its possible. And i'm more into plain ics dont get me wrong, also my HD2 had plain ICS without Sense cuz it runs better.
Thirth, I hope that ppl will see smartphones as "normal" computers and see the possibilities of running and developing other OS then Andriod. A lot of people are so short sighted and focus only on the Andriod experience. But there is more capable with the device .. so much more.
Take Ubuntu for example, most of our kernels are based on the ubuntu kernel. Its possible to run plain Ubuntu. The experience would be like a laptop. You can connect it to a screen and add a mouse. Ofcourse you could make a dual boot with the choice of ics and the other system with Haret. Running ICS as native OS and booting Ubuntu from internal storage with Haret.
Dont get me wrong I love the phone as it is and I love the way ICS works and would use it always as daily use. But from developing perspective there are so much more possibilities wich also can give the GNex a lot bigger status as best phone =)
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Btw the only thing not working correct one the Nexus S Sense ROM is wifi and its driver related. Ppl like Cotulla or TyTung have made a custom driver (wifi, gpsa, camera and lots more) so its not impossible .
I truely loved to see how ppl managed to make a custom driver for a camera and how it worked code wise since the standard device drivers are closed source. In my opinion those ppl are truely DEVs like the kernel builders. Crappy apps or game programmers arent true DEVs in my opinion .. i'm a app/game/web programmer my self and dont consider my self to be a true mobile DEV.
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casserly said:
people also buy the Gnex becuase of its developer support. Most people here love flashing stuff and though I love stock ICS I would love to try out the latest touchwiz or sense as well
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Bingo! 10 char

Brilliant. There are so many different launchers and really nice widgets on the Market. I just don't understand why somebody would like to kill his phone with Sense or Touchwiz. Latest Sense even looks like Launcher Pro. We do have the after Sense isn't it?

Sense isn't impossible as long as you port Sense, and not the whole damn rom. Biggest issue we saw when we tried a while back was gralloc. That may be less an issue now that there are ICS versions of Sense out there now.

I just read Team BAMF have something in the works as far as sense on the gnex.....

B-Mod said:
I just read Team BAMF have something in the works as far as sense on the gnex.....
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That would be news to me, and it shouldn't be.

adrynalyne said:
That would be news to me, and it shouldn't be.
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http://www.teambamf.net/f56/sense-rom-3653/

Well,
Being the date on that is in December ...
The poster was incorrect as we made no such announcement. We do have 'sick' stuff in the works, but its not Sense. Our Sense expert gave it a shot and without having ICS HTC kernel source, its unlikely to work any time soon.

adrynalyne said:
Well,
Being the date on that is in December ...
The poster was incorrect as we made no such announcement. We do have 'sick' stuff in the works, but its not Sense. Our Sense expert gave it a shot and without having ICS HTC kernel source, its unlikely to work any time soon.
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So when the source for the HTC One X gets released then it will be possible?
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adrynalyne said:
Well,
Being the date on that is in December ...
The poster was incorrect as we made no such announcement. We do have 'sick' stuff in the works, but its not Sense. Our Sense expert gave it a shot and without having ICS HTC kernel source, its unlikely to work any time soon.
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Yeah old news, but now you have expert HTC man joelz9614 on the team

xl DIGITAL lx said:
So when the source for the HTC One X gets released then it will be possible?
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I don't know exactly. Erishasnobattery is the one who attempted it. I believe there were gralloc issues. Back then, we had no ICS Sense to work with though, so I don't know, it may be entirely possible now.

Hey...We should get this going!

Really unnecessary bump.
Either way, it's all about choice, people buy this phone for superior development, so people just like options.
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Your thoughts on The HTC One V RUU ported to the HTC Desire?

Since HTC have revealed the HTC One V for Q2 of this year. Do you reckon some devs will be able to port the RUU over to the HTC Desire?
If you don't know what it is; it can be found here: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...bile-phones/hands-on-htc-one-v-review-1066217
It states it has a single core 1Ghz CPU and sense 4.0 on top of ICS. Do you think this could be run smoothly on our two year old Desire's once HWA is fully fixed?

topgeardave said:
It states it has a single core 1Ghz CPU and sense 4.0 on top of ICS. Do you think this could be run smoothly on our two year old Desire's once HWA is fully fixed?
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a) even if it has 1GHz single core cpu, it for sure is not one from 2008
b) Sense 3.5 doesn't work smoothly, so mine (possibly broken) logic says that it probably won't.
c) I for one couldn't care less if it gets ported or not. I know that software version is one part of the coin, where no number of updates will change the fact what Desire fundamentally is - a two year old with archaic architecture.
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topgeardave said:
*snip* once HWA is fully fixed?
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I doubt it'll get fixed.

As above, even though its a 1ghz processor, the desires technology is now outdated. Its possible we may get some sense 4.0 with ICS but who knows.
Will just have to wait and see what we get

If hwa is delt with I'm sure we might get sense 4.0 but won't let my hopes go up just yet. Although One V has a newer cpu/gpu so do Sensation/Evo3D/Amaze which run sense 3.0/5 (custom) much like I run it on my desire. There's not that much multitasking in comparison but it's running stable and very, very fast. Comparable to the best sense 1/2.0 roms out here. And it seems that sense 4.0 is lighter on ram since V has just 512mb compared with desires 576. My 2c.
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PlayPetepp said:
Comparable to the best sense 1/2.0 roms out here.
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Blasphemy '-.-

erklat said:
Blasphemy '-.-
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Try it, then reply.
Everyone is entitled to their own oppinion anyway.
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PlayPetepp said:
Try it, then reply.
Everyone is entitled to their own oppinion anyway.
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Well, there's "smooth" and and there's "sense 3.5 smooth". I've tried most 3.0+ roms but I don't think that people here truly understand what smooth is. I was one of those people. Then I tried oxygen (Mildwild's version to be precise) and it utterly ruined sense for me. I just can't go back.
Although I do miss sense from time to time

Wasn't talking about aosp, miui or cm7. Imho, sense will never be as fast. But that's not the topic of this thread anyway.
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I thought AceS 3D port of Sense 3.0 was smooth - but then I went to ICS 0.3.x beta's and was amazed how quick and responsive it was even as a beta.
I do like Sense a lot- especially the camera and people apps but it's days are numbered where ICS is concerned... still wouldn't want to go to stock Gingerbread to be honest but it's probably heaps smoother still

AceS smooth?
It was very, very slow and huge in ram.
I wasn't able to open tweet deck when playing music!
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If aosp roms I've only tried mildwild and my current sense rom is at least as fast, if not faster... Not bragging or something. It's an objective opinion. I was really disappointed, since everyone here seems to think otherwise.

One V uses a S2 CPU. The Desire has a S1.
Although, interestingly, the V has slightly less RAM than the Desire.
If ROMs get ported, I don't think there will be RAM issues, but there will be a lot of lag issues etc.
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I tried reading this topic, but after I got to erklat's post I was hit by an epiphany: None of this matters to me, Sense sucks.

bortak said:
Sense sucks.
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Why exactly? Sense is the best thing that happened to android.

sudkcoce said:
Why exactly? Sense is the best thing that happened to android.
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FTFY
ICS is the best thing that happened to android

Htc said that Sense 4 is lighter than 3.5 + we have One V with 512 Ram so i think it's possible to port and to work smoothly.
"From the original Sense up to Sense 3.5 we added too many things. The original concept was that it had to be simple and it had to be easy to use and we had that philosophy, but over time it got cluttered," Kodera said.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/44715/htc-sense-got-too-complicated

w1000i said:
Htc said that Sense 4 is lighter than 3.5 + we have One V with 512 Ram so i think it's possible to port and to work smoothly.
"From the original Sense up to Sense 3.5 we added too many things. The original concept was that it had to be simple and it had to be easy to use and we had that philosophy, but over time it got cluttered," Kodera said.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/44715/htc-sense-got-too-complicated
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True, but what about internal memory?
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bortak said:
FTFY
ICS is the best thing that happened to android
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Could not agree more.

I'm all up for this an am infact waiting for this to be ported over to the desire. This new Sense sounds like it'll be less on an issue to run on our devices than Sense 3 and 3.5. Plus I'm looking forward to Android 4 on a Sense phone.
Hopefully this starts happening soon!

4.0.4

Anyone know when we are getting 4.0.4 on HTC One X

emahmood87 said:
Anyone know when we are getting 4.0.4 on HTC One X
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No. We don't even have a 3.0 kernel yet.

HTC already have about 7494643519467 bugs to fix, nevermind 4.0.4
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Fokas. said:
HTC already have about 7494643519467 bugs to fix, nevermind 4.0.4
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And what bugs are these? only problem i have witnessed is an overheat battery which i think i caused my self but got a new phone, everything else seems flawless including battery + external battery !

Fokas. said:
HTC already have about 7494643519467 bugs to fix, nevermind 4.0.4
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As launches go, other than the Teg3 graphics issues (flickering), it hasn't been that bad. Most of the major issues have been addressed between 1.29.07 and 1.29.11 and supposedly there's another update to follow. Rather than compare the phone to "perfect," compare it to other high-end phone launches. You'll see it's not as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be.

BarryH_GEG said:
No. We don't even have a 3.0 kernel yet.
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What does this mean ?, do we not have ICS kernel or something ??.

DANOFDANGER said:
What does this mean ?, do we not have ICS kernel or something ??.
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No we don't. No Teg3 device is on a ICS kernel yet. It's up to Nvidia to do the heavy lifting.

BarryH_GEG said:
No we don't. No Teg3 device is on a ICS kernel yet. It's up to Nvidia to do the heavy lifting.
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Will they ever do this ?, wouldn't this provide some heavy fixes and peformance boosts ??.

DANOFDANGER said:
Will they ever do this ?, wouldn't this provide some heavy fixes and peformance boosts ??.
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Probably not.
We have 2.6.39, the first ICS was based on 3.0.1., or if they hadn't had a massive pointless renumbering, would have been called 2.6.41.
I guess the reason people haven't moved up is because in mainline they started moving all the arm specific files around and consolidating features between the different architectures. This will make it easier in the future, but merging changes when all the files have moved is a ballache.

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Probably not.
We have 2.6.39, the first ICS was based on 3.0.1., or if they hadn't had a massive pointless renumbering, would have been called 2.6.41.
I guess the reason people haven't moved up is because in mainline they started moving all the arm specific files around and consolidating features between the different architectures. This will make it easier in the future, but merging changes when all the files have moved is a ballache.
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The One S and XL are on 3.0 so if Nvidia gets off their lazy asses you can assume Teg3 devices will move up too. All the new Asus, Acer, and Toshiba (some not even released yet) tablets are using Teg3 so I can’t imagine the manufacturers being OK leaving them on an outdated kernel forever. It would make sense though to update the kernel at the same time the OS is updated to 4.0.4 which could be weeks to months away. No one but Nvidia knows for sure what the answer will be.

BarryH_GEG said:
No. We don't even have a 3.0 kernel yet.
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Nothing to do with the kernel sent from an asus transformer tf101 running android 4.0.4 on 2.6.39.4 kernel
Could have also been sent of my LG GT540 which is a year or more old running 4.0.4 on a 2.6.29 kernel has updated to .35 now but regardless you see my point
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So people lets start another petition for HTC and nvidia asking them to update the kernels to 3.0.I think its upto us or else nvidia will not do it themselves as they dont care about developers!

Am I going bonkers, I thought my transformer prime had that kernal and running 4.04?

maxcovergold said:
Am I going bonkers, I thought my transformer prime had that kernal and running 4.04?
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No check in the settings if you are doubtful i am sure its not running 3.0

rn9215 said:
No check in the settings if you are doubtful i am sure its not running 3.0
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i thought the first time the one x is also running on 3.0 but it runs at 2.6.39.4 ...i think its not soooo good ...is it so when it runs on 3.0 the hole system would be better?

One-X-master said:
i thought the first time the one x is also running on 3.0 but it runs at 2.6.39.4 ...i think its not soooo good ...is it so when it runs on 3.0 the hole system would be better?
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Would like to know too, whats our disadvantage from now being on 3.0 ??.

In short.
In details.
And one more for the hope we get upto date kernels!

As already mentioned several times, there are no special landmark
features or incompatibilities related to the version number change,
it's simply a way to drop an inconvenient numbering system in honor of
twenty years of Linux. In fact, the 3.0 merge window was calmer than
most, and apart from some excitement from RCU I'd have called it
really smooth.
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So no, it is not a huge deal.
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Why are ICS ROMS faster than JB ones on DHD?

Ok, generally speaking, AospX is WAY faster than any JB 4.1-4.2.2 AOSP/AOKP ROM I have ever tried.
Any reasonal explanation for this?

Because with every successive iteration of Android, it gets farther away from the software for which the hardware was optimized.

That's obvious, but JB is still supposed to be faster (or at least on pair) with it's project butter and gpu optimizations present..
btw Nexus S is officially running on 4.2 so it's not like jellybean wasn't intended to run on such HW.

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That's obvious, but JB is still supposed to be faster (or at least on pair) with it's project butter and gpu optimizations present..
btw Nexus S is officially running on 4.2 so it's not like jellybean wasn't intended to run on such HW.
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My guess is, JB utilizes hardware resources more efficiently. If the hardware capability just isn't there, there is nothing to optimize. Also, with every iteration, reverse-engineering closed-source drivers and making them compatible gets tougher as Android moves farther away from stock.
And comparing a Nexus, which is designed to be upgraded with AOSP for its lifetime, to an HTC, which is designed to be upgraded with Sense once (maybe twice), isn't really fair.

Ultimately, who cares. The faster the better. I've just tried Nikills after using Sabsa Prime - all I can say is wow. It's like using a new phone with modern h/w.

As above, JB isn't exactly designed to run on our hardware. Heck ICS wasn't either.. Its all about the complexity of the OS. You won't run Windows 8 smoothly on a PC that can, just about, handle Windows 7)
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I have only run one custom ROM so far. I went from stock 2.3.5 sense 3 which I used for a week or so..... I was impressed enough with the stock performance that the first day I decided this would be my first android phone to leave stock for any amount of time. Battery issues caused me to root and install cm10.1 m3. Turns out the battery is shot anyways nothing to do with either ROM. Cm10.1 runs on average just as fast as stock GB did and it has been just as stable.
So in this case I think stock GB ROM has enough stuff that no performance drop is felt going to cm10.
If I went cm7 I'm sure it would be a lot faster but it's fast enough as it is so I won't give up this ROM for a bit more speed.
Scrolling seems to be 100% smooth 99% of the time, the only lag is like a couple seconds to open an app especially when I have several running.
My nexus one which I loved was not even close to this perfect on any jb ROMs I tried on it. I went back to cm7. The desire HD is way faster.
I haven't tried any other ROMs on this phone and in trying to get rid of my flashing obsession. I probably won't try any more for a while. I hope.
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Just my 16 year of expert opinion, generally ICS is faster in terms of performance, but JB is much smoother.. going from CodeFireX to Nik's Rebirth ROm, its still pretty smooth, but not as slick as project butter. Still, a great ROM..
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mustavalkosta's cm 10.1 nightlie builds are MUCH faster on my dhd than the stock GB rom.

Android jb faster. Fact is that it need some time for the developers to make it stable port to jb. They have make kernel according to it port each and every file according to desire hd. And no one can deny that still after more than a year no ics is complete stable as stock gb Rom.
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GuyInTheCorner said:
Just my 16 year of expert opinion, generally ICS is faster in terms of performance, but JB is much smoother.. going from CodeFireX to Nik's Rebirth ROm, its still pretty smooth, but not as slick as project butter. Still, a great ROM..
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Your statement is right, from my experience JB is smoother, but ICS is faster (faster opening apps).
But comparison to Nik's ROM is simply not fair as it's a Sense4 ROM which is obviously slower / more stuttering than any other ICS AOSP.

That makes sense to me. I think iv can deal with the extra tiny bit of time opening apps cause I like how smooth the scrolling is.
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