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Looking for help to hack WP7; as an alternative to ChevronWP7

I'm looking for people who are experienced phone hackers to start a new community project; as an alternative to ChevronWP7, which no longer works on the 'NoDo' update, and it seems that the ChevronWP7 team was either sold out, or encountered legal trouble. The need for a new hacking team is clearly visible. We need an alternative to ChevronWP7! Anyone with me?

IDWMaster said:
I'm looking for people who are experienced phone hackers to start a new community project; as an alternative to ChevronWP7, which no longer works on the 'NoDo' update, and it seems that the ChevronWP7 team was either sold out, or encountered legal trouble. The need for a new hacking team is clearly visible. We need an alternative to ChevronWP7! Anyone with me?
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while the intent of the posting is good, in general the argument is lol
chevron was not bought out and as far as legal trouble goes, none of that. In fact, microsoft has taken a very positive stance on development and hacking - even going as far as speaking on ppcgeeks about it

domineus said:
while the intent of the posting is good, in general the argument is lol
chevron was not bought out and as far as legal trouble goes, none of that. In fact, microsoft has taken a very positive stance on development and hacking - even going as far as speaking on ppcgeeks about it
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True, but looking at this problem from a business stance; why would Microsoft want to allow homebrew development on their platform, and how do we know that they will honor their word? There hasn't been a single post from the ChevronWP7 team since January, and Microsoft hasn't mentioned a word about it since then either. How can we be sure that Microsoft hasn't used a "legal muscle", and settled the legal matters behind the scenes, while keeping it secret to the public?

IDWMaster said:
True, but looking at this problem from a business stance; why would Microsoft want to allow homebrew development on their platform, and how do we know that they will honor their word? There hasn't been a single post from the ChevronWP7 team since January, and Microsoft hasn't mentioned a word about it since then either. How can we be sure that Microsoft hasn't used a "legal muscle", and settled the legal matters behind the scenes, while keeping it secret to the public?
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as far as group chevron is still working
and I still talk to chris and rafael (less of him) on twitter frequently. Chevron team is not hard to find and generally pretty talkative and helpful. Microsoft seems to understand the power that homebrew does have on development and while we don't know specifically the plans of it, I think by not taking an apple, google, or sony stance, it will only benefit them.
As far as the conspiracy theory, chevron members are still working so don't worry

domineus said:
as far as group chevron is still working
and I still talk to chris and rafael (less of him) on twitter frequently. Chevron team is not hard to find and generally pretty talkative and helpful. Microsoft seems to understand the power that homebrew does have on development and while we don't know specifically the plans of it, I think by not taking an apple, google, or sony stance, it will only benefit them.
As far as the conspiracy theory, chevron members are still working so don't worry
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That's good to know

chevron has been compromised
sure microsoft plays nice, the best they can do is accept that such things as piracy and homebrew exist. and thats what they did.
i mean cmon, they gave them guys tshirts.
did they offer them jobs? why are these guys not working for the dev team already if they have not done something big and special.
as far as i know the chevron unlock was a rather simple hack.
they used the official developer unlock application
wiresharked the data which is send to and from ms when u unlock the phone.
they noticed that the unlock is done by some simple registry entry
you then spoof the ms dev server and send the reg strings to your phone.
and bang, phone was unlocked...
now i dont know how they got the certificate which is needed.
maybe we need a new one.
did anyone actually try to install the old certificate on the nodo ?
i just wonder, will the official developer unlock for $99 allow me to side-load apps? i really want them LG Apps back!
but hey, do you really think microsoft will allow homebrew or better said, side-loading?
you homebrew already with the sdk if you registered
and side-loading? will be called piracy sooner or later

Unreliable
With all due respect, and they did break new ground, this application did not have the bugs worked out. Just read through the hundreds of posts on their site and you will find that half the posters had communications issues and could not unlock, and the devs do not appear to have a handle on the issues nor were they responsive to those issues. This app needs lots of work before it can be considered usable for the vast majority of people who would want to use it. Rework it completely would be my suggestion.

being realistic even users were having issues legitimately registering their devices with windows phone developer...even the sprint arrive has that same issue...

All you need to do is to find a new way to edit the registry keys. LG phones can do this natively. WP7 unlocks are by far the easiest of any device OS.

Windows Phone Device Manager - Crap

I thought all the hype they were spreading about this was that it replaces Chevron and unlocks in a different way.... then when it comes out like all apps from this gimp.... it does nothing of the sort and you still need Chevron unlock to use it.... peice of crap.

Troll much?

crsnwby said:
I thought all the hype they were spreading about this was that it replaces Chevron and unlocks in a different way.... then when it comes out like all apps from this gimp.... it does nothing of the sort and you still need Chevron unlock to use it.... peice of crap.
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First, this was/is not supposed to replace Chevron. Secondly, it's free. Thirdly, if you have complaints, I believe they have a forum?
We get it, you're disappointed. Now, you get the developers, who put a serious effort in this tool and try to respect that.

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I thought all the hype they were spreading about this was that it replaces Chevron and unlocks in a different way.... then when it comes out like all apps from this gimp.... it does nothing of the sort and you still need Chevron unlock to use it.... peice of crap.
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I dont think that is very respectful to the developer that has put a lot of time and effort into this application.
If you dont like it, then just dont use it, but stop moaning about other people's work which they provide for free to everyone, as it will discourage them from providing great software.
I think the program is really good as it provides a lot of features and im sure a lot of other people feel the same way.

it originally was going to have a lock/unlocker in it, but at MS request he removed it.

crsnwby said:
I thought all the hype they were spreading about this was that it replaces Chevron and unlocks in a different way.... then when it comes out like all apps from this gimp.... it does nothing of the sort and you still need Chevron unlock to use it.... peice of crap.
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Maybe document yourself before posting crap statements.

Thread will be closed soon,I think....
thanks to OP,Forum moderators are busy everyday to clean these crap threads...
stop posting carp and learn to read before post.

Schaps has worked hard on this app which was stated would have the unlock tool removed on his website months ago, maybe if you had read first you could have avoided getting drilled here. As for your statement of all his apps being crap, i would contest that also, touch explorer and regedit have been very useful for the advanced user. Windows phone device manager is awesome if only for the file transfer functions.
By the way i'm no Schaps fan.....i got ripped off with his FPSce app back in the Kaiser days so i wouldn't donate again, but lets face it WPDM rocks.

Hacking WP7 - any REAL beginner guides?

Hi
I'm pretty sure this hasn't been covered off already - well - not to the level of detail I need anyway.
I came to the xda forums after a friend of mine suggested that there were hacks available.
It's clear that 'something' is available, but what I am not finding is:
A) A SIMPLE guide that shows us people totally new to phone 'hacking' how to do it, from start to finish, with minimal lingo and acronyms.
B) An clear and simple explanation on the different 'hacking' options available
C) The reason you would want to do it? From what I can see, the only benefit seems to be a few pointless homebrew apps that you can download - and for the risk involved...why would you chance it?
Don't get me wrong, tinkering in itself is the reason you would want to do it - it's fun - but I can't help thinking that the WP7 side of 'hacking' doesn't offer much reward.
Would really appreciate any advice/help/links with my questions.
Thanks

Did not know whether to bother answering or not but okay. First welcome to XDA, uhhh in easy laymens terms hacking is not for the inexperienced and it is not totally idiot proof so you should have some fair knowledge of the systems and what they do. Don't hack if you need a kindergarten book to explain it all out for ya simple as that. WP is closer too iOS than Android main point being it is the most secure as far as I personally care of the 3, and the system is just as smooth and fluid as iOS. No there are not alot of Homebrew available at the moment, but if you happen to have a phone able to be fully unlocked then you have the option to use many functions that were not available before.
Device specific is where you should such that search block is your best friend, nobody here is going to write a full guide to the whole forum section for every single new hack and crack that comes out. If you want to you are more than welcome.

Thanks pal
I'm ok with the concepts of hacking, just not specifically this OS.
I'm technically minded and do a lot of similar stuff elsewhere, but when it comes to the phone that I use daily, and comntracted for another 12 months with and have no experience with tinkering WP7 - Im slightly more nervous.
I guess my main issue was the d&h forum for WP7. Every sticky/thread is far too long and they all contain a lot of acryonyms that a new WP7 hacker wouldn't understand. So my forum instinct is to look for the sticky that says "start here - everything explained" - but there isn't one?!
It's almost like "where do people start if there is no starting point"?

As far as covering a good amount of info, this post is a good one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1299134
Don't really think there is a way to avoid all the jargon though, if there is something that isn't explained well it should be simple to find information to fill in the gaps. The terms used are very specific to the environment, so anything returned in a search would probably be relevant.
The most common homebrew option is Interop Unlock, Samsung models of phone are the easiest to unlock. This allows you to use native code that has not been wrapped in a tidy c# class.
The benefit of all this is that your phone is a full fledged computer that by default is locked down like an appliance. Developing additional homebrew apps allow you to get further phone customization out of your device, and therefore the most value out of your purchase.

I for myself thought about unlocking my device considering the risks involve. but I weighed the consequences. Thus, I end up now, having a fully unlocked HTC 7 Mozart with a custom rom. I am happier with my device now, I can do BT transfers, explore the folders within my device, install more applications than the usual apps/games from the marketplace, and tweak my device. One more thing, when my device was still running on stock rom, battery life is shorter, now I have 1.5x the battery life.
MY CONCLUSION: unlock your device's potential
as for the guides, yes it is not really like spoon feeding, but contents of the guides/tutorials are somehow progressive. one can learn from them, so that on the next development, we can do the "hacking" easier since we understood how the process goes. This is why it is called development. Cheers!

before i can give you advice on what hack that you can use, what is the name your device that way there are more specific hacks that we can talk about.

Hi
Thanks for the helpful replies.
I have a HTC Trophy. I'm doing the SD card upgrade next week to start with, so I can finally put all my music on it, so thought i'd look at hacking it at the same time.
Cheers
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look at the HTC part of this guide, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271963

lovenokia said:
look at the HTC part of this guide, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271963
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Looks like a good guide but how am I meant to know if I have a first or second gen phone....there's no definitive list?! And I can't remember what updates I have.
This is a nightmare - I'll give it a miss

check your processor, as far as i know, if your phone has 1.5GHz then it's a gen2, otherwise, it's just gen1

Let me at least give the "legitimate" talk about unlocking your phone:
For $99/year, sign up for a developers account with Microsoft (create.msdn.com). You can unlock up to 3 separate devices officially for app development. Then you can build and deploy all kinds of .xaps to your phone. To top it off, you can get the betas and early OS upgrades (had Mango almost 6 months before my friend got it from his vendor). Ultimately, you can even release your own apps to the marketplace for sale or for free.
sounds like, since this is a phone you use every day, this might be an investment worth considering. Its an easy and legitimate way for someone not too experienced with the phone's innards to get it unlocked and get exposed to how things work. Plus if you back up your phone vefore you unlock it, and something goes wrong, you haven't done anything thats voided a warranty. If the OS crashes, try returning to the "pre-unlocked" backup and bring it back to the store saying it crashed. They'll replace it. Nice deal, considering most Windows phones run around $500 to replace.
Now as for unlocking it via other means: maybe you dont want to sell apps. Maybe you dont really want to give microsoft a credit card for $100 every year. Maybe you want to just do more than a developer unlock will get you - like load a whole new aspect of the operating system. Or maybe you just dont want to pay to unlock your phone. Understandable, i suppose (though for MOST people, a developer unlock is more than sufficient). There are options, but they will require a lot of time and investigation (maybe even translation) to get it right, because the WP7 is new. The devices are many - its not like having a single hardware baseline to crack - like the iPhone. And to throw another monkey in the wrench, they did a full-fledged update to the OS not 6 months ago. So - no - not a a lot of "beginners" guides out there. Even for experienced people, an unofficial unlock is still a tricky feat. Take a look at the number of posts that have to do with phones randomly "re-locking" themsleves. Hell, I'm a legit developer and my phone "re-locked" itself last night. (turns out MS has a "lease" on deve unlocks that you need to physically update every year by un-registering and re-registering the device)
hope this was informative and helps.

I found exactly the same problem. Today I saw this post in the HTC Titan forum which helped me understand all the different unlocks that you hear mentioned on the web.
Hope this helped

ChevronWP7 shuts down, handsets to be re-locked in 120 days

http://wmpoweruser.com/chevronwp7-shuts-down-handsets-to-be-re-locked-in-120-days/

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598050

What the hell man, this is just crazy what is Microsoft thinking? This will only drive more people away from the platform and will keep phone sales at the rate they are now or lower. Who in the world wants to pay $99 a year just to be able to customize a phone? I personally do currently pay the $99 but will stop soon this is just a death sentence for Windows phone, really someone over at MS gets fired over this.

do you realize that most people would not care about these stuff, and we only nerds that like to hack our phones will matter. Maybe microsoft has something better in store? possibly in apollo we will get sideloading capabilities and other power user functions.

lovenokia said:
do you realize that most people would not care about these stuff, and we only nerds that like to hack our phones will matter. Maybe microsoft has something better in store? possibly in apollo we will get sideloading capabilities and other power user functions.
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I sure hope you are right my friend. Maybe Apollo won't have all this Apple style locked down crap.

what it means, in practice?
In practice, what this means for me?
I've a Samsung WP unlocked by Chevron. So, I've installed Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps... this means that after the 120 days, theses apps won't work in my phone?

So basically MS and the Chevron team just ripped off everyone that went and bought a token? I thought the token was forever, was there ever any metntion that it would expire in the future? if not this sounds like a scam, well for those who paid. I see a law suit.

sinister1 said:
What the hell man, this is just crazy what is Microsoft thinking? This will only drive more people away from the platform and will keep phone sales at the rate they are now or lower. Who in the world wants to pay $99 a year just to be able to customize a phone? I personally do currently pay the $99 but will stop soon this is just a death sentence for Windows phone, really someone over at MS gets fired over this.
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seen the latest articles about lumia sales lately? I'll assume not since you insisted on posting this.

Side loaded apps
Like most people, I just want to know if apps already side loaded will continue to work after the tokens are revoked? If they do work, it may be possible to keep it unlocked through a Registry Editor, Root Tools etc.

sinister1 said:
So basically MS and the Chevron team just ripped off everyone that went and bought a token? I thought the token was forever, was there ever any metntion that it would expire in the future? if not this sounds like a scam, well for those who paid. I see a law suit.
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I don't see any law suits as Microsoft as offered to refund $99 and swap Chevron unlock for App Hub Developer unlock.
However, interesting thing would be how many $9 unlocks are from non-supported countries!?
Surely out of 10,000 there are at least 100 people who paid $9 and don't have access to App Hub - those can go for a law suit unless Microsoft is going to make up for it in any other fashion in a separate announcement.

sinister1 said:
So basically MS and the Chevron team just ripped off everyone that went and bought a token? I thought the token was forever, was there ever any metntion that it would expire in the future? if not this sounds like a scam, well for those who paid. I see a law suit.
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Yeah, I'm pissed that I was only renting the unlocker....this was definitely a hose job....these dudes are re-locking already paid for phones.

Side-loaded apps will probably cease to work, just as they do if you were to relock your device now.

quicoli said:
In practice, what this means for me?
I've a Samsung WP unlocked by Chevron. So, I've installed Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps... this means that after the 120 days, theses apps won't work in my phone?
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Yes, probably lol.
Pathetic.

MSFT is giving away free APP HUB accounts for these users. Is no one else reading it?
Sent from my TITAN X310e using Board Express

....the app hub is yearly, so we got a year long account for $9...what was I complaining about
/sarcasm.

quicoli said:
In practice, what this means for me?
I've a Samsung WP unlocked by Chevron. So, I've installed Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps... this means that after the 120 days, theses apps won't work in my phone?
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You're one of the people who make me disgusted at this community. Nokia apps (and other OEM apps) are device specific. You need to buy those devices to get those apps, as those apps on other devices is called stealing. Yet, this entire community insists they are entitled to things they have never paid for... Most of you don't want these accounts to "develop" or contribute, you want these accounts to sideload apps you have no way of paying for/getting.

FiyaFleye said:
You're one of the people who make me disgusted at this community. Nokia apps (and other OEM apps) are device specific. You need to buy those devices to get those apps, as those apps on other devices is called stealing. Yet, this entire community insists they are entitled to things they have never paid for... Most of you don't want these accounts to "develop" or contribute, you want these accounts to sideload apps you have no way of paying for/getting.
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My point! Thanks!! Hence $9 for whatever time it was unlocked for + a year of sideloading stuff (not developing anything) - more than enough!

I don't mind the side loading. I mind the people coming in here to ***** about not having any way to load stolen software into their phone... Its just pathetic. I would understand if you're developing your ass off, but you're stealing... C'mon...
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i did the chevron unlock than used the interlop unlock will i be affected ?

FiyaFleye said:
You're one of the people who make me disgusted at this community. Nokia apps (and other OEM apps) are device specific. You need to buy those devices to get those apps, as those apps on other devices is called stealing. Yet, this entire community insists they are entitled to things they have never paid for... Most of you don't want these accounts to "develop" or contribute, you want these accounts to sideload apps you have no way of paying for/getting.
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I could be wrong, but didn't Nokia release these apps in the earlier versions for other non-Nokia devices? Of course (now) Nokia is claiming that their updated apps will be only for Nokia devices. Not condoning piracy here, but I don't see a problem with side loading device specific apps on other Windows Phones. These apps are free to the the users anyway right? -Well most of them... As we all know, each manufacturer has its own collection of apps for their devices. -And we can all agree there are apps that are better than others in each manufacturer app store. If the apps are free, I find it a little ridiculous to say that Windows Phone users would have to go and buy a certain WP just to be able to use a device for a specific free app on their phone. -Now if each manufacturer released their apps to EVERY WP device with the apps being free for that specific device and had a paid version for non-specific devices, my argument would be irrelevant here. -But we know this is not the case.
Anyway, yes I do agree somewhat that some users want their phones dev unlocked just to sideload apps that they themselves didn't develop or buy, but I have to say that I believe some/most members here on XDA contribute to some form or fashion to the development/modding/hacking phone world. I myself became a Windows Mobile/Phone developer because I was amazed at what I could do with my phone when I first started getting into flashing roms for Windows Mobile. I kept on coming back to this forum to see what I could do next with my phone. I finally realized that I couldn't wait for the next thing to come out for my phone, so I started learning the development side of the phone. As the years kept rolling on, I became very familiar with the development process and even made quite a bit of money on my apps. -So the point is, calling people out on wanting the dev unlocks just to sideload restricted apps on their phones is sort of unfair. You and I do not know the motives of the other users on this forum.

ChevronWP7 Labs says the unlock expire in 120 days. How is that possible?

Hello all,
You might have been heard about the news from ChevronWP7 Labs saying the unlock they sold while ago will expire in 120 days from today.
My question is, how does the expiration work?
Suppose both my PC and my phone do not have internet connection, how does the phone get developer locked back?
Does it have some kind of time bomb already since I unlocked it?
Thanks!

In Q&A
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598050

OK, thanks your message but it does not answer my question.

I don't have answers but would like this discussion in the Q&A on one thread. This needs some serious investigation.

andreiuc said:
Hello all,
You might have been heard about the news from ChevronWP7 Labs saying the unlock they sold while ago will expire in 120 days from today.
My question is, how does the expiration work?
Suppose both my PC and my phone do not have internet connection, how does the phone get developer locked back?
Does it have some kind of time bomb already since I unlocked it?
Thanks!
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This is a presumption. The unlock of the phone is tied to a certificate that is only valid for a certain timeframe. So, the phone validates the "unlock" certificate each time an operation is requesting access to an otherwise locked feature (such as developer tasks). The certificate is only valid for a specific timeframe, which in ChevronWP7's case expires in 120 days. So, when the phone tries to validate the "unlock" certificate it will fail and the phone will deny access to the requested feature.

Thanks. So it does work like a time-bomb.
In this case, does this mean Chevron knew about this before?

andreiuc said:
Thanks. So it does work like a time-bomb.
In this case, does this mean Chevron knew about this before?
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And if this be the case how do they get away with all the thousands of dollars they made out with like bandits because they knew all along the 9 dollar unlock was not a real unlock...

Already side loaded apps?
Like most people I want to know if apps already side loaded will continue to work after the tokens are revoked? If they do work, it may be possible to keep it unlocked through a Registry Editor, Root Tools etc

JamesAllen said:
Like most people I want to know if apps already side loaded will continue to work after the tokens are revoked? If they do work, it may be possible to keep it unlocked through a Registry Editor, Root Tools etc
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If you have access to the registry, you can just remove that developer check URL (I don't know it's official name) to stay unlocked.
Otherwise if you connect to Zune and your token has expired, you will lose your unlock and you won't be able to launch sideloaded apps anymore.

I bought chevron unlock then I made my mozart interopunlocked, is my phone also will be locked again?

majkeljj said:
I bought chevron unlock then I made my mozart interopunlocked, is my phone also will be locked again?
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No locked, if you register your Chevron account in Microsoft App Hub (http://create.msdn.com/en-us/home/membership). Then you get developer account on one year by free. ONLY IF YOU REGISTER BEFORE 10 august 2012.
Source: http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/21027437967/the-chevronwp7-labs-experiment-comes-to-an-end
You read my blog in Polish: http://encyklopediawindowsphone.pl

from chevron
’’ While we kicked butt on the former, the latter didn’t work out so well. Our data indicates that most developers simply unlocked their devices for non-developmental reasons and never went all the way to publish an app in the marketplace. There was also some confusion about the actual purpose of the ChevronWP7 service –some folks thought we provided SIM-unlock capabilities, while others thought we were a hacker group providing full root access. On top of this, there were a larger than expected number of support emails.
As a result, both sides amicably agreed to discontinue the ChevronWP7 Labs experiment.’’
Lol actually they are some kinfs of thieves suckers ass holes..
sorry about it but it is really frustrating for people who paid
Jean-Simon Chénard
Sent from Samsung Galaxy i9100 using Tapatalk

I would say to all people that used the Chevron Unlock Token method to demand your money back. Seems like a rip off!!!!

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geddeeee said:
I would say to all people that used the Chevron Unlock Token method to demand your money back. Seems like a rip off!!!!
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I would go further than that. If the revocation of the token causes any of the homebrew apps you installed on the phone to cease to function, I would urge everyone who purchased tokens to consider a class action suit against MS and Chevron Labs.

JamesAllen said:
I would go further than that. If the revocation of the token causes any of the homebrew apps you installed on the phone to cease to function, I would urge everyone who purchased tokens to consider a class action suit against MS and Chevron Labs.
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MS won't be involved in the law suit. It's a third party as far sa it's concerned. Only people who can file a suit against MS here will be ChevronWP7. It's like you protesting against Middle East for the rise in Petrol. You always do it against the govt. of your country.
BTW - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24890667&postcount=30
You can get a refund. ChevronLabs are refunding $9 even for a used token if you don't want to take the AppHub option. Ofcourse phone relocks.

lol wait a minute
it is saying on the main page of chevron as a trademark : unleash the potential of your windows phone
now they said on their blog they made an end to this because majoriry of people didnt create an app........
but the term is clear..
you really should fight to keep ur phone unlock without subcribing to anything
Jean-Simon Chénard
Sent from Samsung Galaxy i9100 using Tapatalk

Anyone feel scammed? I've been using custom ROMs so I didn't buy a token but this is a pretty bad move for ChevronWP7. Hiding a "this could only be temporary" clause in your TOS is a pretty sly move to get people to think they're getting something they're not. I imagine they're going to have 9000 refund requests. People want Homebrew as end-users, not as developers.

I feel scammed. They never stated this would only work for a certain period of time, and if you want your 'free developers account' you have to pay for it anyway, although you do get a refund after a couple of months.