I'm looking for people who are experienced phone hackers to start a new community project; as an alternative to ChevronWP7, which no longer works on the 'NoDo' update, and it seems that the ChevronWP7 team was either sold out, or encountered legal trouble. The need for a new hacking team is clearly visible. We need an alternative to ChevronWP7! Anyone with me?
IDWMaster said:
I'm looking for people who are experienced phone hackers to start a new community project; as an alternative to ChevronWP7, which no longer works on the 'NoDo' update, and it seems that the ChevronWP7 team was either sold out, or encountered legal trouble. The need for a new hacking team is clearly visible. We need an alternative to ChevronWP7! Anyone with me?
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while the intent of the posting is good, in general the argument is lol
chevron was not bought out and as far as legal trouble goes, none of that. In fact, microsoft has taken a very positive stance on development and hacking - even going as far as speaking on ppcgeeks about it
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while the intent of the posting is good, in general the argument is lol
chevron was not bought out and as far as legal trouble goes, none of that. In fact, microsoft has taken a very positive stance on development and hacking - even going as far as speaking on ppcgeeks about it
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True, but looking at this problem from a business stance; why would Microsoft want to allow homebrew development on their platform, and how do we know that they will honor their word? There hasn't been a single post from the ChevronWP7 team since January, and Microsoft hasn't mentioned a word about it since then either. How can we be sure that Microsoft hasn't used a "legal muscle", and settled the legal matters behind the scenes, while keeping it secret to the public?
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True, but looking at this problem from a business stance; why would Microsoft want to allow homebrew development on their platform, and how do we know that they will honor their word? There hasn't been a single post from the ChevronWP7 team since January, and Microsoft hasn't mentioned a word about it since then either. How can we be sure that Microsoft hasn't used a "legal muscle", and settled the legal matters behind the scenes, while keeping it secret to the public?
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as far as group chevron is still working
and I still talk to chris and rafael (less of him) on twitter frequently. Chevron team is not hard to find and generally pretty talkative and helpful. Microsoft seems to understand the power that homebrew does have on development and while we don't know specifically the plans of it, I think by not taking an apple, google, or sony stance, it will only benefit them.
As far as the conspiracy theory, chevron members are still working so don't worry
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as far as group chevron is still working
and I still talk to chris and rafael (less of him) on twitter frequently. Chevron team is not hard to find and generally pretty talkative and helpful. Microsoft seems to understand the power that homebrew does have on development and while we don't know specifically the plans of it, I think by not taking an apple, google, or sony stance, it will only benefit them.
As far as the conspiracy theory, chevron members are still working so don't worry
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That's good to know
chevron has been compromised
sure microsoft plays nice, the best they can do is accept that such things as piracy and homebrew exist. and thats what they did.
i mean cmon, they gave them guys tshirts.
did they offer them jobs? why are these guys not working for the dev team already if they have not done something big and special.
as far as i know the chevron unlock was a rather simple hack.
they used the official developer unlock application
wiresharked the data which is send to and from ms when u unlock the phone.
they noticed that the unlock is done by some simple registry entry
you then spoof the ms dev server and send the reg strings to your phone.
and bang, phone was unlocked...
now i dont know how they got the certificate which is needed.
maybe we need a new one.
did anyone actually try to install the old certificate on the nodo ?
i just wonder, will the official developer unlock for $99 allow me to side-load apps? i really want them LG Apps back!
but hey, do you really think microsoft will allow homebrew or better said, side-loading?
you homebrew already with the sdk if you registered
and side-loading? will be called piracy sooner or later
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With all due respect, and they did break new ground, this application did not have the bugs worked out. Just read through the hundreds of posts on their site and you will find that half the posters had communications issues and could not unlock, and the devs do not appear to have a handle on the issues nor were they responsive to those issues. This app needs lots of work before it can be considered usable for the vast majority of people who would want to use it. Rework it completely would be my suggestion.
being realistic even users were having issues legitimately registering their devices with windows phone developer...even the sprint arrive has that same issue...
All you need to do is to find a new way to edit the registry keys. LG phones can do this natively. WP7 unlocks are by far the easiest of any device OS.
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So now that the HTC Arrive has come out (with NoDo installed on it), how long till someone gets one an takes a crack at 'jailbreaking' it like ChevronWP7 did before?
My apologies to ~~Tito~~ for misplacing my thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12252216#post12252216).
Will be more careful in the future.
you do realize that the release isn't even a week old right? matter of fact make that 3-days. On top of that, the official release for NoDo hasn't even been release.
An old article but I thought it was relivant.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/new-windows-phone-7-jailbreak-in-the-pipeline/11047
Soon we will have another tool to jailbreak our WP7s.. This is suppose to be much more reliable becasue it does not allow Microsoft to re lock the device.
"The tool also allows users to manage their applications, explore devices, create device backups, add ring-tones and sync favorites."
I cant wait to download!!!!
Schaps told us on his page that he will NOT include his jailbreak tool...
Because I was bored getting hundreds of emails from people asking me to send them WP Device Manager so they can continue to use pirated applications, and because there will be a short term solution for homebrews, I decided not to include my jailbreak tool. I respect other developers and I don’t want to be responsible for piracy, I’ve been contacted by Brandon Watson from Microsoft and I wish to be involved in the official homebrew support on Windows Phone.
found on touchxperience.com
Well, the less piracy a OS has the more developers will be inclined to develop for it. If you were going to sell your software and new that on one platform it was very difficult to pirate your software, you would be more inclined to support that platform.
that's not necessarily true, there are other factors beside piracy that a developer considers such as # of users, incentive, etc, in fact i have never heard a dev quote piracy as a concern
but anyway, unlock does not have to mean piracy, it's just business and a way of overprotection to keep the os tight and closed - in fact with chevron we've seen more innovations from our own community than from microsoft, one of the biggest being the instant multitasking
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Well, the less piracy a OS has the more developers will be inclined to develop for it. If you were going to sell your software and new that on one platform it was very difficult to pirate your software, you would be more inclined to support that platform.
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that is just wrong windows as an OS has got to have more software combined then Linux and Apple, also I havent even taken into account the fact that the IPHONE is basically a pirating device, the term "jail break" originally comes from the iphone so I dont know what you are smoking when you say piracy would reduce the amount of developers on a platform.
you need to stop drinking that developer kool-aid my friend
Julien's tool has web server code in it, so it's reasonable to assume he was going to attempt a similar trick that we employed in Chevron. (i.e. No, he likely doesn't have anything that will work either.)
Just got this via twitter:
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-...itterwp&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
Microsoft and the ChevronWP7 unlock team are teaming up to produce a low-cost developer unlock tool.
The tool will make Windows Phone development more accessible and allow developers to avoid the typical $99 per year cost of becoming a full Windows Phone developer. “The service will require a small fee to offset costs,” says ChevronWP7. “We assure you it will be more affordable than the App Hub.” ChevronWP7 recommends that those who wish to write and publish apps immediately should sign up to the App Hub.
“One of our goals was to make Windows Phone development more accessible,” said a statement from ChevronWP7 on Friday. “Plans have recently solidified and we can now reveal a solution we’ve been working on.” The developers didn’t release too many details on the unlock tool but it’s thought that the tool will simply allow developers to unlock their devices and experiment with applications before signing up to publish apps. ChevronWP7 has launched a “labs” section on its website, where it promises more information soon.
Microsoft originally blocked the ChevronWP7 application that unlocks Windows Phone 7 devices for homebrew third-party applications. Microsoft representatives met with Rafael Rivera and Long Zheng of the ChevronWP7 team earlier this year to discuss the tool and Microsoft’s plans to support homebrew applications on Windows Phone 7. ChevronWP7 famously released their Windows Phone 7 “unlock” tool in late Novermber that allowed owners to side load home-brew applications. The tool, named ChevronWP7, used a method to trick the OS into registering itself as a Windows Phone 7 developer device with the application rather than Microsoft directly. Microsoft normally charges $99 a year for the privilege of loading developer applications. ChevronWP7 pulled the tool at Microsoft’s request just two weeks after it was originally released. It was later revealed that Windows Phone 7 devices “phone home” after around two weeks to re-lock unofficial developer devices, rendering the tool useless.
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Watch this site for more info:
http://labs.chevronwp7.com/
but the closed hole of chevron after two weeks wasn't "microsoft" per se, only till nodo did microsoft completely close the hole. Even the chevron group publicly said that...
otherwise I would be eager to try it if I didn't have a student account but 3 xaps is horrid
Why are you complaing? Its good thing microsidt are with them.
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Why are you complaing? Its good thing microsidt are with them.
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no one is complaining...
If your previous post wasn't a complaint, then I'm afraid I don't understand what you were trying to say.
An officially approved, permanent unlocking solution is coming very soon. The ChevronWP7 team has already confirmed that it won't be done through the App Hub (so it won't expire in a year), and the one-time small fee will go to the Chevron team, not Microsoft, and is only being charged to cover their hard work over the past several months. They did the work, not Microsoft.
The only thing this solution won't do is allow someone to publish to the Marketplace. That will still require a paid (or student) developer license.
I think its great that MS is supporting this and look forward to kicking a few nickels over to the Chevron team for their work.
I am impressed by MS and how cool they have become.
Power in numbers
Hey Guys,
my guess is, ms turned chevron to go white hat because they try to gain momentum in the app market and therefore have to present an appealing platform for devs by keeping piracy in check and making sure those pale, hardworking guys get their bucks rolling. As far as I understand, chevrons new and official unlocker will be a paid app to drag even those devs into the boat, which are unable or unwilled to pay for a ms dev account while on the other side keeping in check, that this solution wont be a backdoor to sideload pirated apps from the market. This approach would take some amount of security integration and maybe some new kind of app-drm or how ever you may call it. Till now this is mere speculation and just my two cents to the topic
Paid unlock feels totally wrong. Especially if it's just an unlock, without a service like Cydia. I personally don't mind paying for software and services, and it's not the $99 price tag that's stopping me from going the official route, but the paperwork hassle.
But requiring payment for jailbreaking is totally unacceptable, IMO.
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If your previous post wasn't a complaint, then I'm afraid I don't understand what you were trying to say.
An officially approved, permanent unlocking solution is coming very soon. The ChevronWP7 team has already confirmed that it won't be done through the App Hub (so it won't expire in a year), and the one-time small fee will go to the Chevron team, not Microsoft, and is only being charged to cover their hard work over the past several months. They did the work, not Microsoft.
The only thing this solution won't do is allow someone to publish to the Marketplace. That will still require a paid (or student) developer license.
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1. correction of the article which noted microsoft closed the hole 2 weeks later. They didn't until nodo [edit whoopsie misread that one]
2. I said openly I was intrigued by the idea, and even if I have a student account I'm still intrigued
With this I will can use File Manager with full access (more than documents, windows folders) for LG Optimus 7?
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With this I will can use File Manager with full access (more than documents, windows folders) for LG Optimus 7?
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I doubt it
what does evry1 here think they will charge? coz $1 to $98 is a huge range.
i would be more than happy to pay a one off fee of no more than £10.....
but then again if its a one off fee and the unlock is perpetual through all updates
i may pay a bit more..
ps. happy fathers day to all the dads
yeah but don't you have to pay to jailbreak now? IMO it's not worth it. i was hoping this would allow custom UI's and such but it just seems micro$oft found yet another way to milk the cash cow.
Great news!
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yeah but don't you have to pay to jailbreak now? IMO it's not worth it. i was hoping this would allow custom UI's and such but it just seems micro$oft found yet another way to milk the cash cow.
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You should have read the thread completely. It's not Microsoft that charges the users for the tool, but the Chevron team.
I for one consider it a great possibility to pay a one time fee and then be able to write applications for my device and use them on it.
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You should have read the thread completely. It's not Microsoft that charges the users for the tool, but the Chevron team.
I for one consider it a great possibility to pay a one time fee and then be able to write applications for my device and use them on it.
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I know. That's exactly what I've been trying to tell people, but everyone around here seems so eager to jump on the extremely misguided "I've been betrayed! They're thieves!" train. I could go on about that particular topic, but what's the point. Let the bitter people enjoy their bitterness.
I'll gladly pay the one-time small fee (I think the Chevron team more than deserves it), and then I'll have a permanently unlocked phone. Even after Mango is released. Even if I have to hard reset some time in the future.
Thank You.
Thank you MS and the Chevron team for coming up with this solution. Good for you Microsoft.
sounds good but...
http://www.withinwindows.com/2011/06/20/short-windows-phone-mango-blocks-interop-services-apps/
I read this the other night and I would like to know what effect this will have on apps sideloaded with Chevronlabs.
It will most likely affect them in the exact same way it affects official app hub developer unlocked phones.
From everything they have told us so far, phones unlocked with the new Chevron service will behave exactly the same as app hub unlocked phones. The only difference will be that you won't be able to submit apps to the marketplace.
So, whatever works on an app hub unlocked phone will work on a Chevron unlocked phone, and anything that doesn't work on one, won't work on the other.
The new hardware needed to come out months ago.
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The new hardware needed to come out months ago.
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You know, I felt the same way and got rid of my Samsung Focus back in March. A couple weeks ago, I decided to give the HTC HD7S a try. I did this in part because I received the Mango Beta 2 invite.
I love this device. The missing front camera, on the WP7 platform, is of no consequence to me. It will be at least another 12 months before this functionality really matters. Hopefully by then, a real standard for video chat will emerge.
I am very happy to have come back to WP7 and the apps have been coming in at a good rate. The only app I wish WP7 would get is Words With Friends. I am somewhat addicted to it. Luckily, I have an iPhone for work and an Acer Iconia Tablet so I get my fix on either of those devices.
I cannot discuss Mango features because of the NDA I signed, but there are plenty of discussions to follow here on XDA. I will say, the Mango update is what is going to keep me on this platform.
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I did this in part because I received the Mango Beta 2 invite.
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I cannot discuss Mango features because of the NDA I signed
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WTF? What NDA you signed that you "can't discuss Mango features"? A lot of web blogs/forums (including XDA!) are already discussing Mango features. It's free info
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WTF? What NDA you signed that you "can't discuss Mango features"? A lot of web blogs/forums (including XDA!) are already discussing Mango features. It's free info
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I obtained Mango through official channels. So, just because others are talking about it and it's features doesn't mean I should ignore the agreement I signed. Whether or not it will cause me problems is irrelevent. Everything I have seen on the web has been by people who obtained Mango unofficially.
You should have noticed that I said there was plenty of information on the beta features already posted on XDA.
This is off-topic from this thread anyway. I have principles that I live by, and abiding by an agreement is one of them. If Microsoft were to post that it is ok to discuss the beta software publicly, then it would be ok for me to discuss it.
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I obtained Mango through official channels.
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Complete BS! XDA have a bunch WP7 developers who obtained the Mango update through official channels Did you read NDA properly? More - where are lot of MS employee blogs on the web who's already discussing Mango's features, providing a source code etc. etc.
You know, man, you just trying to looks more than you really are (like an MS subcontractor who's got some parts of WP7 source code ). I have a business contacts with the real Microsoft WP7 developers - not a tech-support but PM's and devs who really wrote a code but these guys never said "NDA" word, just keep silence about unannounced features.
P.S. And, of course, all XDA devs will be terribly upset about the lack of your comments!
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Complete BS! XDA have a bunch WP7 developers who obtained the Mango update through official channels Did you read NDA properly? More - where are lot of MS employee blogs on the web who's already discussing Mango's features, providing a source code etc. etc.
You know, man, you just trying to looks more than you really are (like an MS subcontractor who's got some parts of WP7 source code ). I have a business contacts with the real Microsoft WP7 developers - not a tech-support but PM's and devs who really wrote a code but these guys never said "NDA" word, just keep silence about unannounced features.
P.S. And, of course, all XDA devs will be terribly upset about the lack of your comments!
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I have no idea what you are going on about. I could care less what you think. I would suggest disengaging in this childish behavior. Here are the confidentiality terms (straight from the "Acceptance Conditions" for the beta):
microsoft said:
(c) Confidentiality. The Windows Phone (including the software embedded on the Windows Phone and associated services) and any other Deliverables are confidential to Microsoft, its licensors and its suppliers. Please see Section 7 below for requirements pertaining to Confidential Information (as defined below in Section 7).
7. Confidentiality
(a) Confidential Information.All Deliverables, including their existence and features, are proprietary and confidential to Microsoft, its licensors and its suppliers (“Confidential Information”).
(1) Use. You may not disclose Confidential Information or your opinion of the Confidential Information to third parties. You may disclose Confidential Information only to your employees or contractors who need to know the information. You must have written agreements with them which are substantially similar to the terms of this Agreement. You agree to be responsible for the actions of your contractors and any breach of this Agreement by your contractors will be deemed a breach by you.
(2) Exclusions. You may disclose Confidential Information in response to a judicial or governmental order. You must first give written notice to Microsoft to allow it to seek a protective order or otherwise protect the information. Confidential Information does not include information that
• becomes publicly known through no wrongful act;
• you received from a third party who did not breach confidentiality obligations to Microsoft, its licensors or its suppliers; or
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So, since I am not a lawyer, and presumably neither are you, I do not know at what point a feature of the software is no longer considered confidential. As such, I choose not to talk about it. If you have a problem understanding this logic, it is not my problem and there is absolutely no need for your condescending attitude about it.
Finally, NDA is just a term used to describe confidentiality. Non-Disclosure is confidentiality.
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I have no idea what you are going on about. I could care less what you think. I would suggest disengaging in this childish behavior. Here are the confidentiality terms (straight from the "Acceptance Conditions" for the beta):
So, since I am not a lawyer, and presumably neither are you, I do not know at what point a feature of the software is no longer considered confidential. As such, I choose not to talk about it. If you have a problem understanding this logic, it is not my problem and there is absolutely no need for your condescending attitude about it.
Finally, NDA is just a term used to describe confidentiality. Non-Disclosure is confidentiality.
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Well said. The larger point I was trying to make is that despite my SGS2 I miss WP7. It's unique. I just want them to hurry up with the new hardware.
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Well said. The larger point I was trying to make is that despite my SGS2 I miss WP7. It's unique. I just want them to hurry up with the new hardware.
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I was using the Motorla Atrix, and I actually liked the hardware and docking options. The problem for me is that I get very frustrated with Android and it's inconsistencies. With the hardware in the Atrix you would expect perfectly fluid UI transitions. The reality is that sometimes it still gets jittery.
With that in mind, I decided to give the HD7S a try and I truly enjoy this device much more than any other phone I have had. It really doesn't matter how many cores and how much memory a device has. What matters to me is how efficiently and effectively the device performs when using it.
Also, nothing personal but, I have put Samsung at the bottom of my list of devices. I have had the Captivate, Fascinate (work phone), and the Focus. None of them had adequate GPS performance and both the Android versions barely, if ever, had GPS signals at all. The Focus was also erratic but at least it had a signal more than it didn't. It just seems like Samsung doesn't care about GPS.
How is the SGS2 GPS? Have they finally provided a working GPS? I will see where devices stand after the Holidays. I will keep using the HD7S until then.
Has anyone tried the htc arrive? I was thinking about getting this phone, switching from android. And now that mango can be put on it, I think it sound pretty good.
The good thing about WP7 is when you get it you feel to give it away for lacking lots of features. Once you use it and read about the future updates, you become passionate towards it.
I have trophy which I bought for 600$. I feel now it was worthy to be bought.
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Has anyone tried the htc arrive? I was thinking about getting this phone, switching from android. And now that mango can be put on it, I think it sound pretty good.
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Yep I've got it on monday, but it is the european version called 7 Pro, it differs only in having other network frequencys. It is a bit thick(15mm ~ 0,59") and quite heavy(185g) but very well built and the keyboard is really superb. Battery life is also quite good because it has a 1500mAh battery. Camera takes decent pics.
I miss my Omnia 7.
I went crazy happy that Samsung finally found a fix for the call issue and network problems. I went equally frustrated when it turned out there not using HTC standards, and forced to send my phone in for the firmware update :-( I love my Omnia 7, thruly a masterpice, but Samsung just had to be stupid, it amazes me that a company can screw things up this bad and still be in the game.
ATM stuck with a Galaxy Spica with Android till there finished and i still aftet all years find Android lacking, lagging and being a mystery for why so many love it.
Anyways, will have to endure, and a company doing service is gonna test that endurance. It's hard to grasp that 1 single device can be so importent, and so. ... amazing. Metro makes all other OS obsolete, its a new and better way to interact with all increasing data out there. Sure, all phones can have tons of apps and in the end execute tge same feat more or less. But QP is changing how, and its a pleasure being a part of this journey.
The best part for all of us that use one phone, and only could afford 1, getting it early, and aftet 6 months we get a patch basicly giving us a new phone and prolonging life for all first WP owners. I think to few have given it a thought that these first wave devices will have a unussual long life spann.
Well, enough of my rant, and if i stop posting on XDA i have died from missing my phone.
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I obtained Mango through official channels. So, just because others are talking about it and it's features doesn't mean I should ignore the agreement I signed. Whether or not it will cause me problems is irrelevent. Everything I have seen on the web has been by people who obtained Mango unofficially.
You should have noticed that I said there was plenty of information on the beta features already posted on XDA.
This is off-topic from this thread anyway. I have principles that I live by, and abiding by an agreement is one of them. If Microsoft were to post that it is ok to discuss the beta software publicly, then it would be ok for me to discuss it.
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You are right, I really admire your principles and is a good example that you are stating here (at least to me) please see my atrix NDA thread if you share this XDA can be in problems and obviously you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056714
Let's get back on topic.
For those that find it too annoying to go back to 7004 and use chevron unlock all the way to mango.. Who's excited that Chevron labs opens in a few weeks? 9 bucks gets you infinite unlocks for ONE phone, and keeps your warranty intact.
As an avid homebrew lover, and windows phone fan. I'm pretty hyped to get to unlock my phone for cheap and not have to pay 100 to get it done.
Even interop will work? Registry editor?
no interop
kinda pointless for certain devs imo, but i'm not a dev, so i won't know
Ithink you should not worry about interop unlock, it will come, I am excited about chevronwp7's next release.
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no interop
kinda pointless for certain devs imo, but i'm not a dev, so i won't know
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Yeah I'm not a dev either, but I do love the homebrew scene.
We've waited a long time for this. I'm interested in what this can do without forking over $99 on an annual basis. The only drawback that I can see using someone elses homebrew is the 'user beware' clauses, some apps may even have adverse effects. Looking forward to testing some simple apps of my own on the device.
It won't let you use a lot of the current homebrew apps, but it should make things like emulators feasible.
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Ok guys, I have an HTC HD7 and it's now half bricked ( When I go to bootloader, I only have one line and I can't flash the phone anymore, but mango still working without issue).
I would like to know if it will be possible with Chevron Labs to unlock the phone even if it's half bricked or fix it so that I can flash the phone or deploy xap file?
Thanks in advance....
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Ok guys, I have an HTC HD7 and it's now half bricked ( When I go to bootloader, I only have one line and I can't flash the phone anymore, but mango still working without issue).
I would like to know if it will be possible with Chevron Labs to unlock the phone even if it's half bricked or fix it so that I can flash the phone or deploy xap file?
Thanks in advance....
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I would say that anyone here cant answer that, since we dont even have the tools yet.
sorry I'm new to wp7 here and I have one question. does chevronwp7 let me download any app on the market? if not what does it do? I heard it allows sideloading or something but I don't really get it. can someone explain chevron to me in simple words? sorry for the trouble.
Judging by the Chevron Labs site, it looks like its available now...
http://labs.chevronwp7.com/
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Judging by the Chevron Labs site, it looks like its available now...
http://labs.chevronwp7.com/
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I want to know what apps we can sideload using the chevron?
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Judging by the Chevron Labs site, it looks like its available now...
http://labs.chevronwp7.com/
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Seems to be, I won't get to try it till I get home, but I've registered with my Live account and it's providing the next steps for me.
registering now
Excited, bought it, tried to install. Failed with non-specific error.
Sadness.
Will try to dig into later when I have some more time.
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sorry I'm new to wp7 here and I have one question. does chevronwp7 let me download any app on the market? if not what does it do? I heard it allows sideloading or something but I don't really get it. can someone explain chevron to me in simple words? sorry for the trouble.
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Chevron: An official way to install apps that are not available in the Marketplace (homebrew apps) and follow the same development rules with all the other apps inside the Marketplace.
It is mostly designed for amateur developers and enthusiasts to test their apps, so, it's not a big deal for the rest of us.
You seemed to miss the point of it.
It's not about "unlocking" a phone, it's about providing access to developers (like myself) to the phone without having to rely on the emulator.
It also means applications that we develop, can be transported to the phone and used at our leisure.
The Homebrew Scene is a different thing all together, less to do with actual development and more to do with hacking.
And finally, complaining that you have to pay for something is pretty childish. How do you think you are able to write on this forum, people have to pay for stuff, there are bills etc, I know as a lone developer this can be hard work and I would like to think that I can make some money for my efforts (But then you probably think all applications on the Marketplace should be entirely free?)
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You seemed to miss the point of it.
It's not about "unlocking" a phone, it's about providing access to developers (like myself) to the phone without having to rely on the emulator.
It also means applications that we develop, can be transported to the phone and used at our leisure.
The Homebrew Scene is a different thing all together, less to do with actual development and more to do with hacking.
And finally, complaining that you have to pay for something is pretty childish. How do you think you are able to write on this forum, people have to pay for stuff, there are bills etc, I know as a lone developer this can be hard work and I would like to think that I can make some money for my efforts (But then you probably think all applications on the Marketplace should be entirely free?)
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I have corrected my post. Thanks for the info
Muvolt said:
I have corrected my post. Thanks for the info
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No worries dude, wasn't having a go at you, just wanted to clarify that point.
I also love and support the homebrew scene because there are no limits and the hackers are always finding new ways around things and importantly, "unlocking" ways to do things.
Excited??
How can I be excited about something that does not work:
Cannot buy tokens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very long waiting time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
very disappointing
Well , I'm sorry to say this but I seriously feel that Chevron was/is a utter failure on the face of WP7 community.
As a WinPhone7 User I expected Chevron to
1. Unlock to install as many apps from Marketplace.
2. Unlock /Activate my Phone to enable it to use with Marketplace.
But at the end it turned out that,
He released it as a Subscription tool with payment, (Although I agree that the infrastructure to unlocking costed the developer).But selling up you service to Microsoft in turn spoiled the little meaning .
Atleast not making the process or idea behind the hack open source after going broke with the earlier idea really hampers or insults the xda team.
Learn from iOS hackers who released Cydia,Cinject,Redsnow,Absynth. you can find it opensourced and its legal.
shreedharcva said:
As a WinPhone7 User I expected Chevron to
1. Unlock to install as many apps from Marketplace.
2. Unlock /Activate my Phone to enable it to use with Marketplace.
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What are you talking about? You can install any Marketplace app but of course you should pay for the apps first!
Chevron was designed for developers, who are not students and can't afford $99 annual subscription (but definitely not for regular users who want to pirate and sideload apps).
P.S. BTW, it's completely wrong forum, you should "cry" in General, not in "Development and Hacking"
You are completely lost man. LOL
What the f** are you talking about?
Moved to General...
Chevron unlocking was intended for developers and not hacking or pirating software. The only reason Microsoft agreed to it was to try and get people that were on the fence or located in countries that the marketplace didn't support to start developing for WP. In that regard, it was a failure and shut down because people used the service for something it was never intended for.
shreedharcva said:
Well , I'm sorry to say this but I seriously feel that Chevron was/is a utter failure on the face of WP7 community.
As a WinPhone7 User I expected Chevron to
1. Unlock to install as many apps from Marketplace.
2. Unlock /Activate my Phone to enable it to use with Marketplace.
But at the end it turned out that,
He released it as a Subscription tool with payment, (Although I agree that the infrastructure to unlocking costed the developer).But selling up you service to Microsoft in turn spoiled the little meaning .
Atleast not making the process or idea behind the hack open source after going broke with the earlier idea really hampers or insults the xda team.
Learn from iOS hackers who released Cydia,Cinject,Redsnow,Absynth. you can find it opensourced and its legal.
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What phone do you have? Have you checked the forms to see if there is a custom rom avilable for your phone? I did and I found it; went and cancelled my stupid dev account right after that too.
Ren13B said:
Chevron unlocking was intended for developers and not hacking or pirating software. The only reason Microsoft agreed to it was to try and get people that were on the fence or located in countries that the marketplace didn't support to start developing for WP. In that regard, it was a failure and shut down because people used the service for something it was never intended for.
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Spot on.
If you were using Chevron simply so you could pirate apps, you're doing it wrong. As an RD mentioned above, what it was designed for and what it ended up being used for (in some cases) are two different things.
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